| 00:00.00 | Winny | indeed, stalker :p |
| 00:00.04 | jude- | lol |
| 00:00.08 | whodaman- | >_< |
| 00:00.14 | whodaman- | ;) |
| 00:00.21 | jude- | ~stalk whodaman- |
| 00:00.22 | ibot | ACTION furtively infiltrates whodaman-'s shadows and when whodaman- is turned away jumps out to take a picture with his camera phone! |
| 00:00.22 | whodaman- | You just mentioned it recently |
| 00:00.29 | whodaman- | jude-: :P |
| 00:00.41 | Winny | hehe jude- |
| 00:00.49 | Winny | hmm |
| 00:01.00 | CBG | hey jude |
| 00:01.03 | CBG | don't make it bad |
| 00:01.09 | CBG | take a sad song and make it better |
| 00:01.13 | CBG | :) |
| 00:01.15 | CBG | how ya doing kid? |
| 00:01.20 | jude- | busy |
| 00:01.24 | jude- | finals approach |
| 00:01.30 | Winny | ~brittanyspears $1 is <reply> $1 drives over the presse's foot to escape the taking of pictures. |
| 00:01.31 | ibot | okay, Winny |
| 00:01.44 | CBG | saying "busy" on irc is like, an oxymoron. |
| 00:01.49 | Winny | hehe |
| 00:01.59 | Winny | IRC makes it impossible to work |
| 00:02.01 | whodaman- | so trye |
| 00:02.06 | whodaman- | *true |
| 00:02.07 | CBG | trye indeed. |
| 00:02.12 | whodaman- | CBG: :P |
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| 00:04.58 | Winny | hey there eTangenT-poopstick |
| 00:05.33 | jude- | poopstick? |
| 00:06.24 | whodaman- | jude-: I think eTangenT even registered that name |
| 00:06.43 | jude- | lol |
| 00:08.17 | Winny | whodaman-: that was me. |
| 00:08.19 | Winny | observe. |
| 00:08.32 | poopstick | see my hostmask? :P |
| 00:08.36 | whodaman- | lulz |
| 00:08.49 | Winny | :P |
| 00:13.04 | Winny | gah, backing up 40gb takes a long time |
| 00:13.16 | jude- | what are you using? |
| 00:13.32 | Winny | USB 2.0, WB mybook |
| 00:13.46 | Winny | well, I suppose 1gb a min isn;t bad |
| 00:14.11 | jude- | you could at least compress the folder first ;) |
| 00:14.28 | Winny | meh, 500gb backup drive, 250gb HDD :p |
| 00:14.54 | jude- | but the transfer would go faster if the data you wished to back up as already compressed |
| 00:16.00 | Winny | the compress time would probably even it out |
| 00:16.46 | jude- | heh |
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| 00:26.12 | TD--Linux | actually, most modern computers can gzip faster than disk i/o speed |
| 00:26.53 | Winny | oh well, only 15min remaining anyways |
| 00:31.33 | jude- | ...and even less time remaining now! :) |
| 00:31.51 | Winny | actually, still stuck at 15 >_< |
| 00:31.58 | jude- | eeek |
| 00:32.00 | Winny | probably 'cause Im using the HDD for other stuff now |
| 00:32.17 | Winny | as opposed to it getting 100% of its i/o for backup |
| 00:32.37 | Winny | yeah |
| 00:32.53 | Winny | did you see the thing on digg? a macbook pro booted in like 15 seconds on a SSD |
| 00:32.57 | jude- | well...solid state drives that don't burn out from writing too often |
| 00:33.03 | jude- | nice! |
| 00:33.14 | Winny | it's very tempting to get a ~16gb or 8gb SSD and install the OS on it |
| 00:35.11 | Winny | it would be an interesting project to remove the SSD in my iTouch and replace it with a 80gb 2.5" HDD |
| 00:35.19 | Winny | probably need to make a new backing |
| 00:36.19 | jude- | not to mention a new power supply |
| 00:36.28 | Winny | doh, forgot about that |
| 00:36.40 | jude- | heh--SSDs take far less power :) |
| 00:36.51 | Winny | indeed |
| 00:37.42 | jude- | from the BZFlag website, can some inform me why the BZFlag team "is not so proud" to release 2.10.0? |
| 00:37.58 | Winny | 'cause they wanted 2.0.8 to be the last one |
| 00:38.06 | jude- | *2.0.10 |
| 00:38.09 | jude- | why? |
| 00:38.21 | jude- | last one ever? |
| 00:38.26 | jude- | or in the 2.x.x series? |
| 00:38.32 | Winny | yes |
| 00:38.36 | jude- | both? |
| 00:38.39 | Winny | last in the 2.0.x |
| 00:38.42 | jude- | ah |
| 00:39.36 | Winny | last release EVER! :p |
| 00:39.58 | Tupone | well, I kinda forced that release, 'cause of gentoo |
| 00:40.36 | Tupone | I forced for gentoo, that I know |
| 00:40.51 | jude- | to get it into the next release? |
| 00:41.18 | Tupone | bzflag 2.0.10 is already in gentoo |
| 00:41.37 | Tupone | for ubuntu, I guess we hought to wait next release |
| 00:42.18 | Tupone | ubunto is getting from debian, and bzflag 2.0.10 is approaching debian, if not in already |
| 00:48.13 | JeffM | did tim submit the package to debina? |
| 00:48.24 | JeffM | he said he'd do it last night |
| 00:51.08 | Tupone | yeah, it is. But he forgot to add dependency on glew |
| 00:51.41 | Tupone | probably dependency is in the spec file inside the tarball |
| 00:54.28 | Tupone | can't find. Need to ask tim |
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| 01:35.45 | Winny | would it be possible to make a plugin pipe people's names who say a bad word into an email, or VIA an IRC bot? |
| 01:36.38 | inchworm | yes it is :) |
| 01:36.42 | Winny | ooh |
| 01:36.55 | inchworm | just gotta make a plugin :) |
| 01:36.58 | Winny | hehe |
| 01:37.16 | inchworm | c++ for this |
| 01:37.42 | JeffM | you could just capture the pre and post filtered chat, and diff them to see what was filtered |
| 01:37.52 | JeffM | or realy if they are not the same, then just flag the name |
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| 02:48.47 | Winny | anyone here have any CGI:IRC experience? |
| 02:49.51 | JeffM | I only got to level 3 |
| 02:50.01 | JeffM | never got any specialisation points |
| 02:51.08 | Winny | any idea why, even though I've specified the path to perl, it won't run? It just loads the script as text |
| 02:51.25 | JeffM | using apache? |
| 02:51.37 | Winny | indeed |
| 02:51.43 | JeffM | have modperl installed? |
| 02:51.52 | Winny | lemme check |
| 02:51.53 | JeffM | apache needs to know to RUN the script not return it |
| 02:52.00 | JeffM | that's what modperl does IIRC |
| 02:52.17 | Winny | would it be in /usr/bin/modperl? |
| 02:52.17 | JeffM | you probably also have to add an extention -> script maping |
| 02:52.39 | JeffM | depends on how your apache is setup, but maybe |
| 02:52.49 | JeffM | is apache set to load modperl |
| 02:53.17 | JeffM | and as you know, the effects don't stack |
| 02:55.42 | JeffM | Winny, basicly it's the same kinda thing that is setup for php pages, apache needs to know to run them and not return them |
| 02:55.58 | Winny | hmm, according to what I found online it should load them by default |
| 02:56.29 | Winny | "the Apache web server looks at the first line of the CGI script to find the path to the Perl interpreter to use" |
| 02:56.34 | JeffM | well something along those lines isn't setup right, I'm not a master of the specifics |
| 02:56.53 | JeffM | Winny, that's ONLY after apache knows to read them instead of send them |
| 02:57.29 | JeffM | it could also need the execute bit set in the permisions |
| 02:58.10 | brlcad | jude-: mauhahahahA .. dat means now i 0wn u |
| 02:58.13 | brlcad | loLll1!l |
| 02:58.43 | JeffM | all AOL items are cursed you see |
| 02:59.02 | jude- | I didn't say I put it on, however :) |
| 02:59.07 | JeffM | and the gender change part of that curse is the real kicker |
| 02:59.17 | JeffM | jude-, dosn't matter, you took it, you own it now |
| 02:59.58 | JeffM | stilly scientist, it's ownership in concept, of the mind, that's how magic works |
| 03:00.27 | jude- | silly magician, all things owned are temporal. living creatures lease things of this world until they pass on |
| 03:00.45 | JeffM | and come back ;) |
| 03:00.52 | jude- | but in a different form :) |
| 03:00.59 | JeffM | the meat matters not |
| 03:01.15 | jude- | unless you happen to transcend |
| 03:01.27 | jude- | matter |
| 03:01.31 | JeffM | going to prove that the meat dosn't matter |
| 03:01.54 | JeffM | but really, the AOL curse is just triggered on transfer of ownership |
| 03:02.13 | JeffM | the moment you accepted it, you both activated the curse, and gave it permision to take hold |
| 03:02.34 | JeffM | AOL curses are genearly weak so they don't become generational or anything |
| 03:02.50 | JeffM | jude-, why? cus you always wanted a little sister? |
| 03:02.51 | jude- | that's, ... um, .... fortunate |
| 03:03.20 | jude- | JeffM, no, because with the A0L ring my wardrobe will need replacing :/ |
| 03:03.54 | JeffM | you need to add points to your lore skill |
| 03:04.13 | jude- | lore_skill++ |
| 03:04.53 | jude- | what does the +5 facebook mask do, dare I ask? |
| 03:06.04 | JeffM | you should not dare |
| 03:06.35 | jude- | heh--facebook and myspace are the Icy North of the internet :p |
| 03:06.49 | jude- | along with AOL |
| 03:09.31 | blast007 | all AOL items come with a trial. Just cancel it. |
| 03:09.49 | jude- | heh |
| 03:10.00 | jude- | that's why the curse isn't intergenerational, I guess |
| 03:22.52 | Winny | yay |
| 03:22.53 | Winny | got it |
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| 07:12.43 | a_meteorite | DTRemenak: someone on bloodbath named "noiz on!" wants to talk to you |
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| 14:40.55 | Winny | blast007: ping |
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| 16:02.26 | blast007 | Winny: pong |
| 16:03.04 | Winny | blast007: I saw a thing on digg about a phpBB exploit, I think you're probably running a new(er) version, but.. |
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| 16:27.41 | Winny | JeffM: where's your hostmask? |
| 16:28.06 | JeffM | dunno |
| 16:28.31 | JeffM | probably joined the channel before nikserv set it |
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| 18:38.07 | Constitution | forum admins: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=117331#117331 could use a little consolidation work :) |
| 18:38.44 | sigonasr2 | wow |
| 18:38.49 | sigonasr2 | quadruple post |
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| 18:43.42 | blast007 | Constitution: This play-by-play brought to you by LJuk! Stay turned for this commercial break! |
| 18:43.51 | ruskie | lol |
| 18:44.27 | Constitution | heh |
| 18:47.03 | blast007 | Constitution: done |
| 18:47.13 | blast007 | I forwarded your message to him via PM |
| 18:48.21 | Constitution | thanks |
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| 19:07.37 | Gicu | hi, anyone who could help me? i can't seem to be able to make bzflag "make[2]: *** [AccessList.lo] Error 1 |
| 19:07.37 | Gicu | " |
| 19:08.28 | Constitution | what architecture, what OS & version, what processor, what compiler? |
| 19:09.34 | purple_cow | a better first question to ask would be "what's the error that appears above that?" |
| 19:10.29 | Gicu | it's a VPS from a2b2.com, centos 4.4 i686, not sure about processor |
| 19:11.49 | Gicu | http://pastebin.com/m56e20cf2 |
| 19:11.57 | Gicu | the last few lines |
| 19:13.16 | Constitution | is this a clean build? or have you compiled this source code before? |
| 19:13.34 | Gicu | just downloaded it via wget from the site |
| 19:14.06 | Gicu | it's a new VPS too, so clean install of centos |
| 19:19.00 | Gicu | there were no problems with the configure (needed to install some extra things) but afterwards it went through OK |
| 19:20.45 | thatexploding | do you have sdl installed on your comp? |
| 19:21.20 | thatexploding | i had a make problem too, until i installed sdl... |
| 19:21.32 | Constitution | thatexploding: he's installing on a server... it shouldn't require SDL |
| 19:21.39 | Constitution | s/installing/building/ |
| 19:22.52 | Constitution | Gicu: two or three times that much output would be helpful |
| 19:23.11 | Gicu | okay, i'll put the entire thing in pastebin |
| 19:24.10 | Gicu | http://pastebin.com/m7e4dd72 |
| 19:25.03 | Constitution | ah, that's more like it |
| 19:26.07 | Constitution | can you get a later version of gcc? |
| 19:26.24 | Constitution | 3.4.6 is kinda old, I think |
| 19:26.35 | Gicu | i just installed it (yum install gcc) |
| 19:26.52 | Gicu | needed to for the configure |
| 19:27.13 | Constitution | do "yum search gcc"... see if there are different versions available |
| 19:29.58 | Gicu | http://pastebin.com/m46295ee2 (sorry, not so good with this stuff) |
| 19:31.16 | Constitution | try "yum remove gcc", and "yum install gcc4" |
| 19:32.19 | Gicu | did that, and tried make, gave me the same errors as before |
| 19:32.28 | Constitution | re-run configure |
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| 19:32.39 | Constitution | might want to make clean first |
| 19:33.31 | Gicu | can't configure it any more "configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH" |
| 19:33.37 | Constitution | heh |
| 19:33.42 | Constitution | yum install gcc4-c++ |
| 19:34.50 | Gicu | did that, and it configured, going to try make :) |
| 19:37.29 | Gicu | make and make install worked |
| 19:37.48 | Constitution | cool |
| 19:37.53 | Gicu | thank you very much for the help :) |
| 19:38.01 | Constitution | no problem, have fun :) |
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| 23:04.51 | JeffM | Saturos: you make a new image for the dmg? |
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| 23:10.32 | Tupone | Just to be sure: don't upload any source tarball with the exact same name as one before. add some postfix like p1 p2, if you really need to |
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| 23:16.13 | JeffM | just for informational sake?or does sf not like that? |
| 23:18.02 | Tupone | no, well, the problem is that at gentoo we checksum file to be sure they are not tampered |
| 23:18.10 | JeffM | ahh |
| 23:18.24 | Tupone | and probably other distro does that too |
| 23:18.25 | JeffM | then we should put the upload date in the file for all our releases |
| 23:18.34 | JeffM | so they can be consistent |
| 23:19.04 | Tupone | I prefer to put the release numbers, plus eventually a prefix |
| 23:19.10 | Tupone | postfix sorry |
| 23:19.18 | JeffM | then please document it so we can do it the same for all files |
| 23:19.44 | JeffM | to me dosn't mater what it is, just so long as it's consistent |
| 23:19.46 | Tupone | ok, I can take gentoo spec. Hope debian does the same. But that is only for source |
| 23:20.04 | Tupone | We don't care binary normally |
| 23:20.17 | JeffM | still we should be self consistent |
| 23:20.39 | JeffM | it may be of some use if we have to rebuild say the windows bin, and that way people know what they got |
| 23:22.01 | Tupone | _alpha Alpha release |
| 23:22.01 | Tupone | _beta Beta release |
| 23:22.01 | Tupone | _pre Prerelease |
| 23:22.01 | Tupone | _rc Release candidate |
| 23:22.01 | Tupone | (none) Normal release |
| 23:22.01 | Tupone | _p Patch level (normally accompanied by trailing integer) |
| 23:22.35 | Tupone | well, I can put in, hmm, DEVINFO ? |
| 23:22.49 | JeffM | I could see a small mod of that using _b for "build" in case we just have a packaging problem |
| 23:23.43 | Tupone | not for source then. I hope |
| 23:23.55 | JeffM | no, for source it would be a p |
| 23:24.00 | Tupone | ok |
| 23:24.05 | JeffM | then if we made bins from that source we sould use a p |
| 23:24.15 | JeffM | but if we had to just redo a packaging we could put a b on the bin |
| 23:24.24 | JeffM | tho we don't realy do "patches" |
| 23:24.34 | JeffM | thats why I though of the date |
| 23:25.11 | Tupone | If we want to release early, we need to specify the status of the build |
| 23:25.13 | JeffM | I belive debians and ubuntuos use the date |
| 23:25.30 | Tupone | so a beta, rc ... could be good |
| 23:25.49 | JeffM | yes, I see how those would work for us |
| 23:25.55 | JeffM | mayhaps both that and the date |
| 23:26.41 | brlcad | JeffM: he did, I got it |
| 23:26.51 | Tupone | but date of what? date of when packaged? hmm, maybe 2 build are the same, just packaged near midnight |
| 23:26.52 | JeffM | brlcad: is it wiked cool? |
| 23:27.22 | brlcad | it's one of his previous images, worked up for .10 |
| 23:27.26 | JeffM | Tupone: hence why also using the _thingy |
| 23:27.29 | brlcad | it'll work |
| 23:27.37 | JeffM | brlcad: cool, how is the bin coming |
| 23:28.17 | JeffM | Tupone: I'm just concerned about the rest of the world that isn't gentoo, and trying to find something that works with them as well, and our past build tendencies |
| 23:28.19 | Tupone | I don't like the date on the name |
| 23:28.51 | Tupone | we could ask Tim and/or the ubuntu guy for debian like |
| 23:28.58 | JeffM | well how would you label a new windows installer that has no code changes, but just included a forgten DLL? |
| 23:29.14 | Tupone | _b(something) like you said |
| 23:29.32 | JeffM | then if we do a _p source update |
| 23:29.36 | JeffM | and I make a bin of that |
| 23:29.46 | JeffM | and then need to update that bin again |
| 23:29.56 | JeffM | _pX_bN? |
| 23:29.59 | Tupone | you should take the name of the source package and add that |
| 23:30.04 | Tupone | yeah, |
| 23:30.22 | JeffM | perhaps we should use the svn repo version for the patch number? |
| 23:30.26 | JeffM | to tie it to a rev? |
| 23:31.08 | Tupone | I wonder if then people start to search for _p(xxxx - 1) |
| 23:31.43 | JeffM | is that a bad thing? |
| 23:31.45 | brlcad | that sounds frankly pretty darn complex and obscure, with the latter being a problem imho |
| 23:32.04 | Tupone | http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_2.0.10 need to be updated |
| 23:32.06 | JeffM | so just arbitray increments of the last one? |
| 23:32.27 | JeffM | and your keyboard dosn't work? |
| 23:34.08 | Tupone | ehh? My head does not work. It slept |
| 23:34.33 | Tupone | looking for a place to write naming convention on wiki. |
| 23:34.37 | brlcad | cryptic suffixes and compressed filenames are pretty rare on macs, you generally name things with something that is pretty universally understandable |
| 23:35.01 | JeffM | are the version numbers not documented in the readmes in the code somewhere? |
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| 23:36.21 | brlcad | BZFlag-VERSION.dmg for example contains the "BZFlag VERSION" app, no more no less .. if you had to upload a second version and wanted to keep that history, maybe add a VERSION-2 |
| 23:38.26 | brlcad | the version numbers themselves are documented, we've talked about this before |
| 23:38.45 | Tupone | yeah, they are in DEVINFO |
| 23:38.46 | JeffM | wiki is updated |
| 23:38.57 | brlcad | and even came to a general agreement, but even that didn't hold very long -- just took one dev to do something different |
| 23:39.11 | JeffM | I did what where? |
| 23:40.40 | brlcad | there's multiple versions that aren't all the same too -- there's the ident version string in the code, the "actual" version, what goes into a source dist filename, and what goes into a given binary platform's filename |
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| 23:41.49 | brlcad | JeffM: what I'm referring to was almost a year ago, but yeah.. I think it was you that broke the convention at the time :) |
| 23:42.23 | brlcad | was wrt the version string |
| 23:42.37 | brlcad | not that it was a bad or good thing, just the way it was |
| 23:43.21 | JeffM | you mean started the current one? |
| 23:43.29 | Winny | ~blast007++ |
| 23:43.30 | JeffM | got off the "g" thing |
| 23:43.35 | JeffM | letters are stupid |
| 23:43.36 | brlcad | g thing? |
| 23:43.40 | JeffM | 1.7g10 |
| 23:43.40 | brlcad | no no |
| 23:43.50 | brlcad | after that was "fixed" |
| 23:43.58 | JeffM | cus I try to just copy what the last one had now |
| 23:44.08 | JeffM | I only do one build |
| 23:44.12 | JeffM | so fix it how you wish :) |
| 23:44.14 | brlcad | I'm not referring to whatever was just done |
| 23:44.39 | JeffM | I didn't think it changed since the letter thing |
| 23:44.42 | JeffM | did it? |
| 23:44.57 | brlcad | what I'm thinking of happened over a year ago, the whole idea of using devel or rc or something else consistently in the version string and "prerelease" binaries |
| 23:45.07 | brlcad | that was what was changed |
| 23:45.14 | JeffM | oh the concept of doing an RC |
| 23:45.16 | JeffM | yeah that was me |
| 23:45.22 | JeffM | tho I treat that as just an extension |
| 23:45.27 | JeffM | of our current system |
| 23:45.30 | brlcad | came up with a set of suffixes, and after that release, the convention was gone :) |
| 23:45.52 | JeffM | wel we need a convention that allows for RCs |
| 23:45.54 | brlcad | there was extensions, you just started picking ones that weren't "in the set" |
| 23:45.55 | JeffM | and alphas |
| 23:45.57 | JeffM | IMHO |
| 23:46.12 | JeffM | doc what you want, and I'll do my best to keep to it |
| 23:46.26 | brlcad | which could simply have been a deficiency in what the previous was frankly |
| 23:46.34 | JeffM | heck with 2.2 there is even a probabiolity that I won't be the one doing the windows builds |
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| 23:50.32 | Tupone | brlcad, JeffM may I upload a DEVINFO with the set of rule I got in gentoo? Need to parsed in english :) and eventually updated. |
| 23:52.22 | brlcad | Tupone: I don't see why not, just more a matter of we should agree on the bigger issue of source and binary distribution naming convention(s) |
| 23:52.54 | brlcad | somehow I doubt, particularly for binaries, that it's going to be the same across the board simply because different platforms have different expectations |
| 23:53.16 | Tupone | I start with something then, only for source, we should do something for binary |
| 23:53.44 | brlcad | gentoo's particularly focused on the source names and ease of tracking changes for portage, not particularly focused on generic end-user perception |
| 23:54.29 | brlcad | my take even for source distributions is that they should be really simple |
| 23:54.34 | Tupone | what gentoo developer did, is just observ the miriads of name used in the open source project, trying to fetch all the cases |
| 23:54.53 | brlcad | no prefixes where you have to know what the letter means -- it's just a numeric id to distinguish from others |
| 23:55.17 | Tupone | I did commit, CIA is MIA :/ |
| 23:55.47 | brlcad | that could be our version # + some iterator if we have to have multiple, or our verison + svn rev, etc |
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| 23:57.12 | brlcad | seems to be working to me... |
| 23:57.24 | Tupone | maybe only trunk? |
| 23:57.48 | Tupone | 'cause I did in branch, but ... it should not affect |
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| 23:58.11 | Tupone | I really need to sleep. cu all |
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