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| 02:20.44 | a_meteorite | ~bz20svn |
| 02:20.45 | ibot | i guess bz20svn is http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag |
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| 03:10.08 | awilcox | AHA was here? |
| 03:11.21 | Constitution | ~seen A_Heart_Attack |
| 03:11.23 | ibot | a_heart_attack <n=bzhearta@unaffiliated/aheartattack/x-000001> was last seen on IRC in channel ##guleague, 14d 10h 52m 10s ago, saying: 'Birdie: ping'. |
| 03:24.17 | Winny | he just left |
| 03:24.22 | Winny | about an hour ago, awilcox |
| 03:24.28 | Winny | * A_Heart_Attack has quit () |
| 03:24.37 | awilcox | aww |
| 03:24.52 | awilcox | we were friends when he had a channel and bot. |
| 03:24.52 | Winny | why? |
| 03:24.58 | awilcox | he never seems to be around anymore |
| 03:25.03 | Winny | He's on AIM |
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| 04:52.48 | Winny | ~Constitution++ |
| 05:28.11 | Winny | anyone who is interested: I'm relaunching BZFlagr.net soon on a new machine, and I we have a couple of promising maps. If your interested, join ##bzflagr |
| 05:28.56 | Winny | "and I we" = "and we" |
| 05:29.30 | QBeep | Sorry, Freudian typo |
| 05:29.36 | QBeep | You're also going to die alone |
| 05:30.02 | Winny | nice to see you too |
| 05:31.45 | QBeep | wait |
| 05:31.47 | QBeep | n |
| 05:32.03 | Winny | you fart from your head? :p |
| 05:32.31 | Constitution | anyone want to help me test a plugin on divi.fairserve.net:5157? |
| 05:32.56 | AAA_awright | Constitution: What plugin? |
| 05:33.06 | Constitution | a stats plugin |
| 05:44.57 | a_meteorite | calling all devs out there... ping: JeffM, brlcad? |
| 05:45.12 | JeffM | ? |
| 05:45.39 | JeffM | indeed he is |
| 05:46.24 | a_meteorite | could you guys add a rot variable to other events, such as bz_eFlagGrabbedEvent and bz_eFlagDroppedEvent? |
| 05:46.32 | a_meteorite | (rot == rotation) |
| 05:46.43 | JeffM | just get the state |
| 05:46.58 | JeffM | then you get all the postional info |
| 05:47.09 | a_meteorite | um, ok, but isn't that kind of inconsistent then? |
| 05:47.23 | a_meteorite | you already have rotation in bz_PlayerDieEventData |
| 05:47.31 | JeffM | in trunk you should have a state |
| 05:47.35 | JeffM | it's all states now |
| 05:47.38 | JeffM | single rots arn't good |
| 05:48.00 | JeffM | the states are sent with the messages where we get a state with the message ( such as update, and die ) |
| 05:48.09 | JeffM | the others you have to get an interpolated state |
| 05:48.13 | a_meteorite | oh, so there's a state event? |
| 05:48.14 | JeffM | from the player record |
| 05:48.17 | JeffM | no |
| 05:48.21 | JeffM | you get the player record |
| 05:48.37 | JeffM | it will give you the last known state with timestamp, and the interpolated state |
| 05:48.44 | JeffM | for right freaking now ;) |
| 05:48.48 | JeffM | that is on trunk |
| 05:48.54 | JeffM | for branch I'm not adding a thing |
| 05:49.00 | a_meteorite | I'd rather have it for when the event happened, not right freaking now |
| 05:49.11 | a_meteorite | I'm looking at trunk, unless that was changed recently |
| 05:49.20 | JeffM | if the event didn't have a state that came with it, we don't know the real state at the event time |
| 05:49.25 | JeffM | so now is as close as we can get |
| 05:49.31 | a_meteorite | oh ok |
| 05:49.38 | JeffM | not all messages come with a state |
| 05:49.59 | a_meteorite | I figured that flag grab/drop would at least, guess I'm mistaken |
| 05:50.08 | JeffM | the interpolated state in the player record will be as close as we can get |
| 05:50.19 | JeffM | nope, they are handled by the server |
| 05:50.24 | a_meteorite | I see |
| 05:50.37 | JeffM | the client just sends out lots of updates when it's near a flag |
| 05:50.47 | JeffM | and so the server uses that very fresh state to compute the grab |
| 05:51.04 | a_meteorite | ahhh, so the client never says "I grabbed a flag" |
| 05:51.10 | JeffM | and for the drop, we just use his last update for that too, interplated, then tell everyone ( including the droped player ) where the flag is |
| 05:51.12 | JeffM | nope |
| 05:51.14 | a_meteorite | the server goes "you were close enough to a flag, this is your flag now" |
| 05:51.15 | JeffM | prevents cheats |
| 05:51.22 | JeffM | yep |
| 05:51.27 | a_meteorite | nifty, that's nice |
| 05:52.11 | JeffM | also not everyone needs a full player state, puting them in every message is stupid |
| 05:52.19 | JeffM | considering you have a function to get it |
| 05:52.35 | JeffM | so we jsut add it to the ones that have inherent states, so you know what the sent state was. |
| 05:52.42 | JeffM | like die, etc.. |
| 05:52.48 | a_meteorite | I just assumed that flag grab/drop would know the state |
| 05:52.56 | JeffM | never trust a client |
| 05:53.06 | JeffM | at some point we'll probably not even get the state from the client on die |
| 05:53.27 | a_meteorite | so the server says "you died here" |
| 05:53.31 | JeffM | once the server state is authoritive, then that's the ONLY state that matters |
| 05:53.33 | JeffM | yes |
| 05:53.44 | a_meteorite | can't wait till all shots are tracked |
| 05:54.05 | a_meteorite | I'd do it myself if I knew enough trig and calculus :) |
| 05:54.17 | JeffM | dude, the math is done |
| 05:54.20 | JeffM | it's in the client |
| 05:54.33 | JeffM | it just has to be made generic and moved to lib game |
| 05:55.09 | a_meteorite | interpreting where that happens with that humongo playing.cxx isn't my cup of tea, but it definitely is in the client... since the client knows who it's blowing up... |
| 05:55.27 | JeffM | well good thing that the shot tracking stuff isn't in that file then |
| 05:55.46 | JeffM | shot strats are seperated into a file per strat |
| 05:56.11 | a_meteorite | oh |
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| 07:26.44 | L4m3r | should we allow the username "nutzack"? :\ |
| 07:27.02 | blast007 | (on the forum) |
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| 18:23.49 | Winny | ~donny_baker++ |
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| 18:44.20 | delusional | arcs in the manpage used to have these matrefs, inside matref, outside matref, startside matref... etc... whtever happened to that? |
| 18:44.37 | delusional | it's still valid in bzw |
| 18:46.14 | blast007 | delusional: I still see that in the man file |
| 18:46.45 | delusional | i must be looking at an old one |
| 18:47.29 | blast007 | hmm, well, it at least lists it up above more |
| 18:47.42 | blast007 | not in the example code |
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| 18:53.46 | delusional | blast007.... i dont see those matrefs anywhere... you know what I'm talking about, right? I'm not just being... dare i say it... delusional. |
| 18:54.18 | blast007 | delusional: yeah, it's not in the main area |
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| 18:55.35 | delusional | aaahh.. its only in the meshbox syntax |
| 18:56.31 | blast007 | well, look up at (CustomArc.cxx/CustomArc::read) |
| 18:56.47 | blast007 | in the specs there, it lists the matref's for the arc |
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| 19:59.44 | JeffM | yay for free interwebs |
| 20:02.08 | JeffM | double yay for good soup |
| 20:02.26 | a_meteorite | good soup is where it's at |
| 20:02.48 | JeffM | you get your state stuff worked out? |
| 20:03.11 | a_meteorite | yup |
| 20:03.36 | JeffM | cool |
| 20:04.19 | a_meteorite | yup, that was some interesting stuff... I guess you learn new things everyday :) |
| 20:04.48 | JeffM | the interpolated state is basicly where everyone else ( server and other clients ) think the tank is, so it's always the best to use |
| 20:08.08 | JeffM | gak.. no extabsettings.... |
| 20:09.03 | JeffM | crudd |
| 20:09.08 | JeffM | DTRemenak, you back yet? |
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| 20:10.46 | Winny | :0 |
| 20:10.51 | Winny | err :)* |
| 20:11.04 | JeffM | unforntinately it won't install here |
| 20:11.16 | JeffM | myabe he'll flash if i say PNG like 300 times |
| 20:11.27 | blast007 | hehe |
| 20:12.33 | JeffM | man, do I love the bateries in this new laptop |
| 20:12.58 | JeffM | runing at full speed, full bright, with wan, and it still has 4 hours left on it :) |
| 20:13.10 | inchworm | nice |
| 20:14.27 | Winny | My macbook gets about 4.5 hours on ~3/4 brightness, but the screen is smaller |
| 20:14.49 | JeffM | and your CPU is probably a smidge slower too |
| 20:15.01 | JeffM | and your video will take less power |
| 20:15.10 | JeffM | I did get the extended batery |
| 20:15.13 | JeffM | a pair of em |
| 20:15.25 | whodaman- | Winny: That's what mine did when I first bought it, but it's only got 3/4 or original capacity :/ |
| 20:15.37 | whodaman- | After like 280 load cycles |
| 20:15.45 | Winny | JeffM: what CPU Speed? |
| 20:15.48 | JeffM | 2.2 |
| 20:15.52 | Winny | ah, mines only 2 |
| 20:15.59 | blast007 | mine is down to 90% capacity after 12 charge cycles and less than a month :( |
| 20:16.07 | Winny | blast007: o.O |
| 20:16.11 | whodaman- | blast007: yeah :( |
| 20:16.29 | Winny | the one in mine is holding up VERY well, 40 cycles, and 96% |
| 20:16.55 | blast007 | Winny: mine was a replacement I purchased |
| 20:17.06 | blast007 | it was supposedly "new" |
| 20:17.12 | blast007 | but I'm starting to have doubts |
| 20:17.27 | blast007 | after 2 weeks, it was already down 6% |
| 20:17.45 | JeffM | crack it open, find the bad cell ;) |
| 20:18.08 | blast007 | JeffM: I'll probably just buy a different one.... from somewhere not in china |
| 20:18.21 | Winny | hehe |
| 20:18.22 | JeffM | check and see how much new cells are |
| 20:18.33 | JeffM | then you can pack it up ;) |
| 20:18.36 | Winny | you can probably make a fortune off of all the lead in it ;) |
| 20:18.51 | JeffM | should be lithium |
| 20:19.03 | JeffM | nor at worst NiMh |
| 20:19.14 | blast007 | ;) |
| 20:19.23 | blast007 | it's lithium |
| 20:19.38 | blast007 | the battery information says it was first used in October 2006... |
| 20:19.40 | JeffM | no, they ran out of lead, they now fill it with roofies. |
| 20:19.54 | blast007 | I used it first in october 2007 |
| 20:20.56 | JeffM | where did you get it from? |
| 20:21.26 | blast007 | au-battery.com |
| 20:21.40 | Winny | isn't Au gold? |
| 20:21.44 | Winny | or is that silver |
| 20:21.51 | JeffM | I got one of those APC extenral bateries, it works realy well |
| 20:21.53 | Winny | not that it matters :p |
| 20:22.32 | JeffM | ohh yeah that MUST be a quality establishment, just look at that website! |
| 20:22.48 | blast007 | well.... it was cheap ;) |
| 20:22.53 | blast007 | guess I get what I pay for |
| 20:23.32 | JeffM | if it's an old laptop you may not have been able to find it any other place |
| 20:23.52 | blast007 | no, I found it other places |
| 20:24.00 | blast007 | batteries plus has it for $116 |
| 20:24.13 | blast007 | it's a thinkpad R50e, so not that old |
| 20:24.31 | JeffM | well it's probably just one cell, if you can find it, they are not too hard to replace |
| 20:24.39 | blast007 | meh |
| 20:24.59 | blast007 | rather just buy a new one |
| 20:29.53 | JeffM | soldering is fun :) |
| 20:30.14 | QuantumBeep | Some companies recondition batteries with single-cell failurea |
| 20:31.22 | QuantumBeep | ...although I'll be dinged if I can find one... |
| 20:33.41 | QuantumBeep | blast007: http://www.dealshower.com/products.asp?stid=8561&cat=Computers&product_id=160178487330 |
| 20:34.18 | delusional | un be frickin leeecable |
| 20:35.14 | JeffM | used but at that price, get a bunch of em :) |
| 20:35.36 | delusional | oh jeez, ww, sry |
| 20:36.04 | QuantumBeep | Looks like there's a solid dozen companies selling them in that range - no reason not to just buy five of them |
| 20:37.08 | blast007 | I'm fine with *one* that *works* |
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| 20:37.44 | QuantumBeep | You want a battery for an IBM notebook. |
| 20:38.04 | QuantumBeep | That's like trying to find new replacement parts for an MGB roadster |
| 20:38.53 | blast007 | that's a poor analogy for someone who doesn't know much about cars |
| 20:39.14 | MortimeR | hi, any bzbb admin here? |
| 20:39.24 | blast007 | MortimeR: yup |
| 20:39.27 | blast007 | whatcha need? |
| 20:39.40 | MortimeR | i need my old account |
| 20:39.49 | MortimeR | i forgot the pass |
| 20:40.02 | blast007 | use the Forgot Password interface on the login form at the forum |
| 20:40.06 | MortimeR | lol |
| 20:40.08 | QuantumBeep | blast007 makes an ad hominem attack! He rolls a 3! Attack misses. |
| 20:40.26 | blast007 | QuantumBeep: k... |
| 20:40.34 | MortimeR | I think it has an old mail account |
| 20:41.11 | MortimeR | I still use the msn account |
| 20:42.01 | a_meteorite | MortimeR: in that case, I believe your are out of luck |
| 20:42.06 | MortimeR | yep |
| 20:42.08 | a_meteorite | but I'm not a bzbb admin |
| 20:42.10 | JeffM | make a new one |
| 20:42.26 | JeffM | if the old account has no posts we can kill it |
| 20:42.34 | MortimeR | I want my nickname |
| 20:42.46 | MortimeR | it has only 16 posts |
| 20:42.48 | JeffM | once we delete the old one then you can rename your n ew account |
| 20:42.50 | JeffM | ahh |
| 20:42.54 | JeffM | then we can't kill it |
| 20:43.00 | MortimeR | oops |
| 20:43.01 | JeffM | pm me the email address you think it used to have |
| 20:43.14 | MortimeR | i cant remember it |
| 20:43.22 | JeffM | then yeah, I can't verify that your the owner |
| 20:43.46 | MortimeR | I still use the msn account that appears in the profile |
| 20:43.56 | JeffM | tha'ts public info |
| 20:44.00 | JeffM | you could have scammed it from a post |
| 20:44.11 | MortimeR | yes, but you can mail me to it |
| 20:44.29 | MortimeR | its my msn account |
| 20:44.42 | rob1n | wouldn't your email just be your MSN username? |
| 20:44.53 | MortimeR | mmmmmmm... |
| 20:44.58 | MortimeR | dont think so |
| 20:44.59 | JeffM | read your PM |
| 20:45.02 | rob1n | or did you use another email, then another MSN account? |
| 20:45.06 | JeffM | that I just sent to you |
| 20:46.05 | MortimeR | thanks |
| 20:46.47 | JeffM | just please try to keep it updated in the future. |
| 20:47.06 | JeffM | I highly recomend geting something like gmail to use and just have it forward to your ISP e-mail |
| 20:47.16 | JeffM | then as you change stuff, you can keep one e-mail |
| 20:47.50 | MortimeR | I dont play bzflag for years |
| 20:48.12 | JeffM | it's a general sugestion, bzflag isn't the only thing that uses e-mail addresses ;) |
| 20:48.49 | MortimeR | thats why now i dont use an ISP mail |
| 20:48.50 | MortimeR | :-P |
| 20:48.55 | JeffM | I had similar issues when I left SBC for verizon, so I've gone to using gmail |
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