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| 00:46.40 | Macrosoft | finally...it took three days for a credit charge to appear on my bank statement |
| 00:47.24 | Winny | Macrosoft: you needs a blog |
| 00:48.02 | Macrosoft | no, my banking site just needs to take less than 5 days to update their site :p |
| 00:48.13 | delusional_ | blog it |
| 00:52.54 | JeffM | I think the point in Macrosoft that your banking history is of little interest to the majority of the channel |
| 00:53.08 | JeffM | and you have a tendency to greatly abbuse the concept of "off topic" |
| 00:53.14 | Winny | unless you hand out your card number |
| 00:53.17 | Winny | then Im interested |
| 00:56.59 | QuantumBeep | Jeffm: What about Wubi? |
| 00:57.28 | JeffM | what is that? |
| 00:58.44 | QuantumBeep | It's a Ubuntu installer that loads the distro into a loopback file on the Windows filesystem and adds an entry to boot.ini that loads it, so you don't have to manipulate partitions or otherwise risk anything. |
| 00:58.59 | QuantumBeep | It's incredibly clean. The whole distro is a single file under Windows. |
| 00:59.23 | JeffM | and it boots to it for reals? not like on top of windows? |
| 00:59.33 | JeffM | cus I can just VM it to run it on top of windows |
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| 01:01.13 | QuantumBeep | No, RLY! It has a small handler that mounts the single file as /, then boots to it pure native. |
| 01:01.21 | JeffM | nice |
| 01:01.23 | QuantumBeep | http://wubi-installer.org/faq.php |
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| 01:01.27 | JeffM | yeah reading now |
| 01:01.43 | JeffM | I may try that after all the updates are done on the new lappy |
| 01:02.11 | QuantumBeep | I hate how long all those updates take; if only I had a 2k3 box so I could use WSUS |
| 01:02.43 | JeffM | well I'm happy I was able to get XP not vista |
| 01:03.32 | QuantumBeep | Yeah, I agree with you there. |
| 01:03.40 | QuantumBeep | Dell FTW for selling XP again... |
| 01:04.12 | JeffM | so far it seems like a decent machine |
| 01:04.20 | JeffM | have to set it up to built tonight |
| 01:04.23 | QuantumBeep | What make/model? |
| 01:04.45 | JeffM | Insperon 1520 |
| 01:05.21 | QuantumBeep | I like Dell's business notebooks. They're really well built. |
| 01:05.41 | JeffM | I was able to get a buttload of cupon savings on this |
| 01:05.45 | JeffM | 475$ off |
| 01:05.58 | QuantumBeep | They say to never buy Dell unless they have a special |
| 01:06.47 | spldart | heh... heh heheh heh |
| 01:09.35 | JeffM | ended up being 955$ when all was said and done |
| 01:15.12 | spldart | meh |
| 01:17.38 | zoink | good morning world |
| 01:19.36 | QuantumBeep | Hey zoink |
| 01:20.36 | zoink | ello |
| 01:21.14 | zoink | allways new bzflag had smart people |
| 01:23.33 | Winny | knew* |
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| 01:23.56 | zoink | great |
| 01:24.45 | zoink | i wish i was from a non English speaking country, that would give me an excuse |
| 01:24.54 | Winny | hehe |
| 01:25.46 | zoink | i was on another channel, and they just assumed i was from Slavic country |
| 01:26.01 | zoink | i said something that indicated I was US and they were just floored |
| 01:26.34 | tannerld | heh |
| 01:26.37 | QuantumBeep | Leaving out articles does that, zoink |
| 01:27.10 | zoink | this be true, probably shouldn't have tested out of English comp |
| 01:28.42 | zoink | i can't believe noodles still here, he was before my time |
| 01:29.46 | QuantumBeep | zoink, man, read some books and get a hang of sentence construction - you really do sound Slavic! |
| 01:29.55 | QuantumBeep | Read something that isn't Lolita, anyway |
| 01:30.28 | zoink | I made it through the whole Harry Potter series, |
| 01:30.32 | zoink | and goosebumps |
| 01:30.58 | zoink | and let me think... Dick and Jane was my favorite |
| 01:38.36 | zoink | SportChick: yah there by chance? |
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| 02:13.28 | Macrosoft | gah! anyone know the name of the app in xp that lets you edit boot configs (boot.ini, config.sys, etc.) |
| 02:14.10 | Macrosoft | i thought it was msconfig.exe or something like that, but its not |
| 02:14.41 | QuantumBeep | Notepad works alright, but if you don't like that, you right-click My computer, hit Properties, and go from there |
| 02:14.53 | a_meteorite | second the notepad |
| 02:15.32 | Macrosoft | no, theres an app that lets you config startup options, like what services to start and such |
| 02:16.16 | a_meteorite | time to eat dinner |
| 02:16.40 | Macrosoft | explorer.exe doesnt even start when i log on |
| 02:16.56 | Macrosoft | ...just a background with no icons or taskbar |
| 02:17.41 | zoink | thats always fun |
| 02:18.20 | QuantumBeep | Hit ctrl-alt-delete, use the task manager to load explorer.exe, then use Notepad to make shell = explorer.exe in win.ini |
| 02:18.28 | QuantumBeep | That's an ugly way, but it works |
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| 02:28.24 | Macrosoft | QuantumBeep: ive already tried that, task manager wont open |
| 02:28.35 | a_meteorite | reinstall, that fixes everything :P |
| 02:28.41 | QuantumBeep | Yeah, you need to reinstall |
| 02:28.47 | Macrosoft | i cant, its not my computer |
| 02:29.02 | a_meteorite | then why are you bothering with it? |
| 02:29.06 | Macrosoft | parents computer |
| 02:29.28 | Macrosoft | which they somehow managed to screw up in ways ive never seen before |
| 02:29.38 | QuantumBeep | What brand? |
| 02:29.48 | Macrosoft | emachines |
| 02:29.51 | QuantumBeep | !! |
| 02:29.51 | Macrosoft | why? |
| 02:29.55 | QuantumBeep | You're screwed |
| 02:30.17 | JeffM | if it won't boot it's useless, so you reinstall |
| 02:30.17 | QuantumBeep | If it was a Dell, Compaq, or HP, you could so a one-touch restore and be clean. |
| 02:30.17 | Macrosoft | its not the brand, they screw up every computer theyve ever owned |
| 02:30.23 | JeffM | or you put the drive in another machine |
| 02:30.27 | JeffM | and you get a blog |
| 02:31.13 | a_meteorite | a blog? fix your computer and make a blog is the new trend? |
| 02:31.27 | QuantumBeep | For Macrosoft it is |
| 02:31.34 | QuantumBeep | More like a proposed trend |
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| 03:13.49 | a_temp_dist | bzflag.org problems? |
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| 03:15.03 | blast007_work | a_temp_dist: seems so (and my.bzflag.org to be specific, as bzflag.org is hosted on SF, and m.b.o is hosted by brlcad) |
| 03:15.31 | blast007_work | going slow, but still loading |
| 03:15.51 | a_temp_dist | does m.b.o machine also host the in-game server list? |
| 03:16.06 | blast007_work | yes |
| 03:16.13 | blast007_work | and image hosting |
| 03:16.18 | a_temp_dist | fun |
| 03:16.19 | Winny | and wiki |
| 03:16.26 | blast007_work | and the stats site, and a league |
| 03:16.44 | a_temp_dist | eggs - basket - something witty |
| 03:16.57 | blast007_work | :) |
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| 03:55.15 | SportChick | howdy zoink! long time no see! |
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| 04:24.12 | brlcad | a_temp_dist: still seeing problems? |
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| 04:25.09 | a_temp_dist | brlcad, nope! looks good now |
| 04:25.37 | brlcad | the list server is in the process of being migrated to new (faster better) hardware over the next week or so .. it's been busy churning on some data since the weekend so the load is a little higher than usual at the moment |
| 04:26.07 | a_temp_dist | well thx for hosting all that |
| 04:26.54 | brlcad | all in good fun |
| 04:27.31 | brlcad | even if the server administration aspects are grueling from time to time :) |
| 04:29.32 | brlcad | a_temp_dist: just ping if it gets bogged down again |
| 04:29.44 | a_temp_dist | youbet |
| 04:30.06 | brlcad | it's got a lot of data crunching, compressing, and file transfers to go before we're done with the migration |
| 04:35.30 | Epyon | brlcad, why didn't you send the bzflag-gsoc-post mortem to google? |
| 04:37.07 | brlcad | huh? |
| 04:37.26 | brlcad | it was sent to them, the loved it |
| 04:37.44 | Epyon | Just wondering why bzflag never posted on the gsoc blog :( |
| 04:38.16 | brlcad | because i've been in talks with a couple publishers |
| 04:38.23 | Epyon | ? |
| 04:38.36 | brlcad | they wouldn't be too pleased to have it just posted if we go through with publication |
| 04:39.23 | brlcad | but alas their publishing cycle is several *months* ahead |
| 04:39.33 | Epyon | jj, still I'd like to know the fate of it when that happens :) |
| 04:39.38 | Epyon | kk* |
| 04:39.53 | brlcad | we may still not publish, it has been dragging out |
| 04:40.09 | brlcad | which was expected, but the effort vs payoff curve is decreasing interest |
| 04:40.30 | Epyon | :/ |
| 04:40.42 | brlcad | particularly for one popular place that wanted the entire article reformatted just to review it |
| 04:40.45 | Epyon | BTW, is there any news of 2008 GSoC? |
| 04:40.50 | brlcad | heh, no |
| 04:41.07 | Epyon | I wondered if the mentors maybe have more news on that :) |
| 04:41.14 | JeffM | they usualy announce early in the year |
| 04:41.15 | brlcad | 2007 isn't over yet :P |
| 04:41.31 | brlcad | they're just getting to sending out t-shirts |
| 04:41.43 | Epyon | AFAIR, 2007 GSoC hype started before new years :P |
| 04:42.53 | Constitution | never too early to start thinking of proposal ideas :D |
| 04:43.31 | Constitution | "Port BZFlag client to PHP" |
| 04:43.46 | purple_cow | that seems highly unlikely to get accepted =P |
| 04:44.01 | Constitution | you don't say ;) |
| 04:44.13 | JeffM | yeah, obey the fist |
| 04:44.19 | blast007 | :) |
| 04:44.24 | Epyon | I think I could come up with some good ideas to submit for BZFlag :P |
| 04:44.43 | blast007 | "Portal Generator" |
| 04:45.03 | Epyon | Although judging by my problems with productivity this year I wouldn't have big chances to get accepted :P |
| 04:48.14 | Constitution | are we going to try to get more slots next year? |
| 04:48.34 | Constitution | sounded like looking back over our shoulders, what we had this year was about right? |
| 04:48.37 | JeffM | depeends on the mentor situation |
| 04:48.42 | JeffM | maybe 5 |
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| 04:49.00 | brlcad | Epyon: hype, maybe, but the official announcement for 2007 happened in February |
| 04:49.53 | Epyon | BTW, I got an A for my BZWGen master thesis :) |
| 04:51.00 | brlcad | awesome |
| 04:51.03 | brlcad | congratulations |
| 04:53.02 | SportChick | ~lart brlcad |
| 04:53.02 | ibot | acting on orders from an unspecified client drags brlcad into court suing for $200 million |
| 05:06.18 | delusional_ | that is quite nece, epyon |
| 05:06.24 | delusional_ | nice, even |
| 05:09.05 | Epyon | delusional_, ? |
| 05:09.09 | Epyon | delusional_, what is? |
| 05:09.24 | delusional_ | getting an A |
| 05:09.31 | Epyon | Ah, thanks :) |
| 05:09.51 | delusional_ | your welcome |
| 05:10.20 | Epyon | Well it was cool that 2/3 of the people in the masters commision have heard of BZFlag before :) |
| 05:10.55 | delusional_ | it's been around a long time. eons |
| 05:14.54 | brlcad | SportChick: what? :P |
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| 15:02.02 | brlcad | zoink == zonk? |
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| 16:23.50 | JeffM | ouch |
| 16:23.56 | inchworm | wow |
| 16:24.24 | brlcad | ooh, even worse.. it's not phpbb.. it's the listserver |
| 16:24.24 | inchworm | greased lighting rubbed in grit |
| 16:25.12 | JeffM | does the list just do things badly? |
| 16:27.59 | JeffM | should I continue with the C++ list server? ;) |
| 16:29.04 | Manu | c++ list server? is not easier an script language for it? |
| 16:29.11 | Manu | a* |
| 16:29.32 | JeffM | is not a script language slower? |
| 16:29.41 | Manu | it depends for what ;) |
| 16:29.47 | JeffM | speed and optimisations are the key goals here ;) |
| 16:29.58 | JeffM | and it's not like we don't have people who know C++ |
| 16:30.04 | Manu | hehe, indeed |
| 16:30.45 | JeffM | it keeps a lot of things in memory and is designd to minimise sql hits |
| 16:31.13 | Manu | working like a buffer for the database? |
| 16:31.19 | JeffM | and "should" thread up well |
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| 16:31.28 | JeffM | well somet things don't have to go in the datbase |
| 16:31.32 | JeffM | like the active games |
| 16:31.37 | Manu | ah |
| 16:31.39 | JeffM | those it just keeps in memory |
| 16:31.49 | Manu | yes, that's ok |
| 16:31.57 | JeffM | and for just a player listing, it never hits the sql |
| 16:32.10 | JeffM | and yeah I'd cahce out the last N player records |
| 16:32.25 | JeffM | and have a hook into the phpbb section where it gets editid |
| 16:32.30 | JeffM | to invalidate the cache on edit |
| 16:32.46 | JeffM | it'd use more ram, but should be fast |
| 16:32.57 | Manu | well, using c++ we can save memory and cpu cycles :) |
| 16:33.01 | JeffM | also it's HTTP server is butt simple, and only responds to the one known query |
| 16:33.15 | JeffM | so it just ignores and blocks unknown queries |
| 16:34.44 | JeffM | I stoped working on it cus blast was redoing the main php list |
| 16:35.00 | Manu | php is really slow ;) |
| 16:35.01 | JeffM | and I'm not sure if a C++ is the way we want to go |
| 16:35.04 | JeffM | it is |
| 16:35.18 | JeffM | but it's a lot less work to get one running in it |
| 16:41.57 | JeffM | would you prefer an exiting http lib? or are you ok with a homebrew that is very simple? |
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| 18:04.23 | brlcad | JeffM: I wouldn't even make it http-based myself, a simple custom command-response protocol like the client would work well enough |
| 18:04.47 | brlcad | defining a set of command/queries that it'll respond to with a prescribed response format |
| 18:05.07 | JeffM | so just TCP |
| 18:05.12 | brlcad | yeah |
| 18:05.24 | JeffM | no support for old clients |
| 18:05.33 | JeffM | you think HTTP is too wordy? |
| 18:05.38 | JeffM | since it too is just TCP |
| 18:06.50 | brlcad | yeah, no support for old clients -- the protocol could use a lot of changes regardless just to support in-game registration |
| 18:07.05 | JeffM | well that can all be bunled into HTTP |
| 18:07.36 | JeffM | HTTP is nice cus it has the field names in it, so is rather flexable |
| 18:08.04 | JeffM | we could make our own flexable system of course, but if it's all just http, other then size, I can't see much reason for one over the other. |
| 18:10.04 | brlcad | it's not so much that it's too wordy as it's just unnecessary complexity for the simple (potentially stateful) interactions we need |
| 18:10.30 | JeffM | perhaps |
| 18:10.47 | brlcad | otherwise, it's not any different that writing a cgi binary |
| 18:10.50 | JeffM | I just woied that to make our protcoll robust enough we'd end up doing the same things that HTTP does |
| 18:11.14 | JeffM | brlcad, wel a GGI would have to go thru a full web server |
| 18:11.25 | JeffM | and a small custom one could be made a lot smaller/faster |
| 18:11.35 | JeffM | but I see your point |
| 18:11.43 | JeffM | good thing I have a TCP class too :) |
| 18:12.20 | JeffM | tho the core problem with in game registration is the e-mail verification |
| 18:12.22 | brlcad | i'm similarly worried that we'd not implement proper http beyond our (limited) testing capacity |
| 18:12.44 | JeffM | I'd like to change it so that unverified users can auth, but only see a small subset of servers |
| 18:13.05 | blast007 | in any case, if we do go the C++ route, I'm fine with that too |
| 18:13.08 | JeffM | brlcad, well we'd not need to, if we know that only valid connections come from cients and servers |
| 18:13.10 | brlcad | what I've been thinking for in-game registration is temp-tokens |
| 18:13.19 | JeffM | 'splain |
| 18:15.08 | brlcad | you'd get a temporary gameplay token that'd let you play for N minutes|hours|sessions, limited to one token request per N days per callsign|ip |
| 18:15.58 | brlcad | so as a new user, you'd get the token, could play for maybe an hour.. then you've now locked out temp tokens for your username or ip ..until/unless you verify the e-mail addr |
| 18:16.51 | brlcad | the registration would still have to also be for a valid callsign, with a seemingly valid e-mail addr |
| 18:16.54 | JeffM | ok, that's just like my idea of giving them a temporary BZID |
| 18:17.04 | brlcad | not entirely abuse-proof, but not much less than what's current |
| 18:17.20 | JeffM | I still prefer the subspace way |
| 18:17.29 | JeffM | let them reg in game, but play in a subset |
| 18:17.42 | JeffM | untill they check mail and auth |
| 18:17.52 | brlcad | could still do that too |
| 18:18.51 | brlcad | theirs worked to require registration because of that fact.. you could still play |
| 18:19.06 | brlcad | and it was *entirely* in-game registration-wise |
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| 18:22.21 | brlcad | hmm.. subspace had official servers |
| 18:22.33 | JeffM | indeed |
| 18:22.37 | JeffM | that is what I was thinking |
| 18:22.45 | JeffM | we set up a couple official "alpha zone" servers |
| 18:23.05 | JeffM | and some general servers, and put them in the prefered list with other proven comunity memnbers |
| 18:23.11 | JeffM | and put the rest on other tabs |
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| 18:43.18 | blast007 | 12:05:01 < JeffM> HTTP is nice cus it has the field names in it, so is rather flexable |
| 18:43.33 | blast007 | could send XML as well, though not sure how hard/fast that is to parse |
| 18:44.29 | blast007 | main reason I like XML for that is the ability to add new fields without breaking stuff |
| 18:44.32 | JeffM | harder then HTML fields ;) |
| 18:44.41 | JeffM | you can do the same with HTML |
| 18:44.52 | blast007 | for that, I mean our response |
| 18:44.53 | JeffM | we can add named fields in our own stuff too |
| 18:44.57 | blast007 | right now, it's space delimited text |
| 18:45.08 | gsnedders | HTML is hell to parse. There again, with all the DTD stuff in XML, it isn't much simpler |
| 18:45.17 | JeffM | soryr not HTML, HTTP |
| 18:45.23 | JeffM | HTTP is easy to parse |
| 18:45.28 | JeffM | we don't send any HTTP |
| 18:45.46 | JeffM | and we coudl send back XML with no extra load on the list server, even with our current things |
| 18:46.00 | JeffM | the get and put fields are simple |
| 18:46.02 | JeffM | and linear |
| 18:46.02 | gsnedders | (I'm working on a spec defining HTTP parsing, it is really rather more complex than you'd expect) |
| 18:46.12 | JeffM | we don't need every possible thing |
| 18:46.30 | JeffM | our list of operations is very small ( 5 maybe 6 things ) |
| 18:46.40 | JeffM | that's one reason why using just a binary format is fine |
| 18:46.45 | JeffM | cus it's all very well known |
| 18:47.39 | JeffM | if we did it with TCP, probably be good enought to just send some protocoll header, then a list of field/values all null terminated. |
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| 18:47.58 | JeffM | then we can add wahtever we want, and it's fast to parse |
| 18:48.11 | JeffM | the trick I think for a C++ list will be the back end, not the actual transport to the clients. |
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| 20:27.04 | brlcad | yeah, you can add that same flexibility in a custom protocol too .. :) |
| 20:27.17 | brlcad | name tag the fields, and set up responders for each named field you understand |
| 20:27.42 | brlcad | kinda like how the client is now flexible enough to ignore the events it doesn't recognize (whereas earlier it didn't) |
| 20:29.05 | brlcad | how the "daemon" interface stores, caches, and processes data will be the bulk of the work |
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| 20:40.03 | brlcad | aha, someone added a new list server query apparently, SELECT callsign, lastserver FROM `playerinfo` where `callsign` LIKE '%' ORDER BY `callsign`; |
| 20:40.54 | brlcad | which basically returns every freaking entry from the database |
| 20:41.05 | ruskie | fun |
| 20:42.00 | brlcad | i can't imagine the web interface really needing a 350K lined response .. |
| 20:42.20 | brlcad | maybe blast007 or one of the other php gurus can fix it :) |
| 20:43.13 | brlcad | I can add an index on it, but that seems like a bad query to start with |
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| 20:46.45 | brlcad | heh, "following query WAY too long (changed by menotume 6/8/2007)" |
| 20:47.34 | brlcad | looks like it's just another case not handled, no callsign |
| 20:49.32 | JeffM | wonder what other games use for list systems |
| 20:49.42 | JeffM | like how does steam do it? |
| 20:50.41 | brlcad | this particular call is on our web interface to the data |
| 20:50.47 | brlcad | where users can search for players |
| 20:50.57 | JeffM | oh for the stats page? |
| 20:50.59 | brlcad | people are hitting the web form without putting a name in |
| 20:51.03 | brlcad | yeah |
| 20:51.12 | brlcad | so it's actually being asked to return everyone |
| 20:51.16 | JeffM | my question was more on the general comments of "listing" |
| 20:51.22 | brlcad | ah |
| 20:51.55 | JeffM | as in, it must be a common problem (How do we list games) that other people have had to solve, so I am interested in knowing what those other solutions are. |
| 20:52.48 | JeffM | cus in reality, the primary goal that our current system was designed for, was never, and probably will never be implemented, Karma |
| 20:53.26 | brlcad | mmm.. with an index, the query time is cut in half, but still unacceptible (20-30s to 10-15s) .. time to add limits |
| 20:54.00 | brlcad | I think we could do something karmaish, I just wouldn't call it karma at this point :) |
| 20:54.33 | JeffM | the authentication and group permisions systems well outweighs what karma was suposed to do |
| 20:55.18 | brlcad | i'd like the list server to actually manage servers as well as players as entities eventually, and to have levels of server certifications (sorta like server "karma") |
| 20:55.48 | JeffM | yes some sort of ebay style ranking and certification would be nice |
| 20:56.15 | JeffM | make it where you can only leave "feedback" for a user after you have played with them for a bit, etc.. |
| 20:56.15 | brlcad | so a server with an extensive admin team on a stable server that is always on-line on a high-bandwidth line is distinguished from little timmy's server set up on his mom's cable line |
| 20:56.30 | JeffM | yes |
| 20:56.44 | JeffM | thats what I want with my "prefred" server system |
| 20:57.05 | JeffM | distingush the servers that showcase the game |
| 20:59.28 | brlcad | haha.. |
| 20:59.38 | brlcad | go to stats and do a playersearch |
| 20:59.49 | brlcad | submit no callsign |
| 21:00.24 | brlcad | that's really useful :) |
| 21:00.31 | JeffM | ok, so ubuntu on laptop... not so good |
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| 21:12.55 | brlcad | problem solved, no longer allows empty queries |
| 21:13.40 | JeffM | did the science get done? |
| 21:14.38 | brlcad | science? |
| 21:15.13 | JeffM | SCIENCE! |
| 21:15.27 | JeffM | all problems are solved with SCIENCE! |
| 21:15.28 | JeffM | or guns |
| 21:15.33 | JeffM | but mostly science these days |
| 21:15.43 | brlcad | yes, quantified, hypothesized, estimated, and later pee'd on |
| 21:15.50 | JeffM | see |
| 21:15.52 | JeffM | SCIENCE! |
| 21:16.07 | brlcad | heh |
| 21:16.14 | brlcad | looks mildly addictive |
| 21:16.21 | JeffM | it's not long enough to be |
| 21:17.14 | JeffM | but it defenately shows what you can do wiht simple gamplay and lots of polish and design |
| 21:17.26 | brlcad | those guys have gotten material accepted to siggraph two years in a row now before they had their release |
| 21:17.29 | JeffM | well and voice actors |
| 21:17.46 | brlcad | yeah.. might be simple , but they dumped a ton of money behind it |
| 21:17.59 | JeffM | and mostly, a writer |
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| 21:19.43 | JeffM | we could do the same, weh ave the tools, and the tallent, just need direction |
| 21:19.45 | JeffM | and |
| 21:19.48 | JeffM | SCIENCE! |
| 21:19.57 | brlcad | and we already have portals |
| 21:20.15 | brlcad | ooh, now that'd be a neat flag... :) |
| 21:22.05 | JeffM | it would need alt fire |
| 21:22.10 | JeffM | cus you have to shoot 2 |
| 21:22.15 | brlcad | yay, mysqld back down to normal levels.. for some reason it was getting hammered with empty queries starting today |
| 21:22.40 | brlcad | it's been that way for months |
| 21:23.09 | brlcad | i suspect some player discovered it taking forever and was just trying to keep the server loaded with a little while loop |
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| 21:24.40 | brlcad | or it's been bad for months too, and just now noticed a particular spider hitting the server |
| 21:25.49 | brlcad | interesting "stats" site: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/ |
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| 22:59.44 | blast007 | JeffM: what issue did you have with ubuntu on your laptop? |
| 23:00.54 | blast007 | for me, I've only had one main issue, and it's with my audio chipset |
| 23:02.43 | JeffM | video |
| 23:02.45 | JeffM | networking |
| 23:02.55 | JeffM | a general overabundance of suck |
| 23:04.25 | L4m3r | such is life for n00buntu |
| 23:04.50 | L4m3r | what video and networking chips are you using? |
| 23:05.28 | JeffM | nvidia for video |
| 23:05.34 | JeffM | intell for networking |
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| 23:06.33 | blast007 | I had an nForce wired adapter, and some Atheros wireless adpater |
| 23:06.45 | blast007 | afaik, both of those worked without having to do any tweaks |
| 23:06.52 | blast007 | graphics was easy to get going too |
| 23:08.35 | blast007 | but needed the network to be working first...soo... ;) |
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| 23:09.18 | L4m3r | for Intel networking you should be able to find a driver and install it with module assistant |
| 23:09.34 | L4m3r | it's almost certainly in the ubuntu repos. which chipset is it? |
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| 23:13.40 | L4m3r | as for nvidia... there's a "debian way" to install the drivers. it's busted in Debian testing, dunno about ubuntu |
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| 23:14.49 | blast007 | L4m3r: I used some command in Ubuntu to do it... or maybe it was even in their GUI |
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| 23:17.39 | JeffM | L4m3r, I was doing the wubi thing, so it was wierd |
| 23:17.56 | JeffM | and I didn't have wired networking to go find packages with |
| 23:19.42 | L4m3r | o_O |
| 23:19.52 | JeffM | I only have one wire to my desk now |
| 23:20.01 | L4m3r | ah, love that :P |
| 23:20.04 | JeffM | we got rid of the 16 port hub under it |
| 23:20.16 | JeffM | well I only have ONE work computer |
| 23:20.25 | JeffM | so there is no need to have more |
| 23:20.29 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 23:20.36 | JeffM | I no longer house the media server |
| 23:20.42 | L4m3r | I've had the same problem at home |
| 23:20.51 | L4m3r | and in the dorms, come to think of it |
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| 23:21.18 | L4m3r | when you visit someone, there's never a spare port. 2 occupants, 2 ethernet ports >_< |
| 23:22.12 | JeffM | well we have 2 wireless networks here |
| 23:22.16 | JeffM | so usualy it's not a big issue |
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| 23:24.38 | JeffM | horsie man, how goes it? |
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