| 00:04.22 | JeffM | usualy what you do is tie into an event that is after the start |
| 00:04.30 | JeffM | like first player join, or world done. |
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| 11:40.28 | catay | ~bzls |
| 11:40.40 | catay | ~bzfsls |
| 11:40.46 | catay | ~bzfls |
| 11:40.47 | ibot | methinks bzfls is the BZFlag List Server |
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| 13:16.13 | Winny | ~bzflist |
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| 14:44.48 | Macrosoft | dont forget: set your clock back an hour today |
| 14:45.07 | whodaman- | Macrosoft: depends where ya live |
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| 15:20.01 | ruskie | something wrong with global login??? |
| 15:21.01 | Winny | works for me |
| 15:21.07 | ruskie | even on viper? |
| 15:25.38 | Winny | FYI, "GetVirtual" is cheating, OO and multijump |
| 15:28.49 | ruskie | hey Manu gloabl not working on viper |
| 15:29.02 | Manu | I know, it's a net problem |
| 15:29.12 | Manu | not related to viper |
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| 15:30.45 | ruskie | good thing some of us have local logins :) |
| 15:31.16 | Manu | :) |
| 15:34.49 | ts | I don't see viper in the list at all |
| 15:36.00 | Manu | nope |
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| 16:23.17 | ShadowSpectre | Is anyone here an admin at BZFX? |
| 16:24.11 | whodaman- | YEs |
| 16:24.17 | whodaman- | what do you need? |
| 16:24.38 | ShadowSpectre | Can you please restart the server? Everyone has high packet loss. |
| 16:24.46 | ShadowSpectre | 8-9% |
| 16:24.49 | ShadowSpectre | or higher |
| 16:25.27 | whodaman- | I can't do that, you'll have to contact a_meteorite for that. He's the only one with access AFAIK |
| 16:25.44 | ShadowSpectre | ok, I'l email him. Thanks! :) |
| 16:28.03 | Winny | dammit |
| 16:28.06 | Winny | he just left, of course |
| 16:29.31 | SpazzyMcGee | It's the first time in a while that a Rabbit game is top of the list. |
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| 16:49.24 | whodaman- | heh |
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| 20:34.08 | JeffM | so who would be pissed if 2.2 had a difrent bz_load then 2.0? |
| 20:34.37 | delusional | just about everybody. |
| 20:35.02 | JeffM | no 2.0.x plug-ins work for 2.1 anyway, so they have to be rebuilt no mater what |
| 20:35.13 | delusional | true |
| 20:35.36 | JeffM | wonder if I should give it a new name too |
| 20:35.46 | JeffM | like bz_loadV22 or something |
| 20:36.07 | JeffM | I need to get a bool added into the paramaters for it |
| 20:39.57 | Tupone | JeffM: do you know if something is not going with rc3? |
| 20:40.20 | JeffM | I know the same as last time |
| 20:41.00 | Tupone | so :( nothing is fixed. and 10.5 is breaking things |
| 20:41.10 | JeffM | haven't heard anything else |
| 20:41.37 | JeffM | I did a small fix to some drawing stuff for the new observer info, that's about it |
| 20:41.37 | Tupone | ts told me that SDL is not compiling anymore there |
| 20:41.58 | JeffM | I have heard varying reports of problems with SDL on 10.5 |
| 20:42.43 | Tupone | Wonder if anyone is working on it. I did not seen any snipplets of compilation errors |
| 20:43.12 | ts | Tupone: Ciao |
| 20:43.17 | Tupone | hallo ts |
| 20:43.21 | ts | Tupone: I got around it with patching SDL |
| 20:43.30 | JeffM | I have not heard that it will not compile, I have only heard that the current version (.12) does not work |
| 20:43.34 | JeffM | and that .11 does |
| 20:43.48 | Tupone | ahh, what kind of patch? HAve been libsdl community informed about that? |
| 20:44.09 | ts | Dunno...was from the macports project |
| 20:44.38 | JeffM | sdl svn hasn't been updated in 5 weeks |
| 20:44.39 | Tupone | after that, bz compiles? |
| 20:44.44 | ts | No |
| 20:44.55 | Tupone | what the error? |
| 20:45.15 | ts | LDFLAGS needed to be modded as well and then it needed a distclean (!) then build it all over again |
| 20:45.30 | ts | cycle in the x11gllib |
| 20:46.14 | ts | Tupone: There: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m78014f58 |
| 20:46.36 | ts | Manu told me it's a bug in 10.5 |
| 20:46.54 | Tupone | what you did to LDFLAGS? |
| 20:47.17 | ts | export LDFLAGS=${LDFLAGS}-L/System/Library/Frameworks/OpenGL.framework/Versions/ |
| 20:47.19 | ts | A/Libraries |
| 20:47.40 | ts | gah, darn lf that does not belong there |
| 20:47.58 | Tupone | and I hope a space missing |
| 20:49.35 | ts | I didn't got 2.1 to compile yet |
| 20:50.20 | Tupone | I'm just looking over the 2.0, now |
| 20:50.52 | ts | yeah, 2.0.x is more important |
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| 20:51.56 | Tupone | ts: have you tried to not compile SDL but using the dmg from the site? The problem is then the same? |
| 20:52.33 | ts | Tupone: The dmg does basically only contain SDL.framework but bzflag needs sdl-config, too |
| 20:52.42 | ts | from how I understand it |
| 20:52.52 | ts | I could be wrong, though |
| 20:53.12 | Tupone | tryed the devel package too? |
| 20:54.09 | ts | The devel package does not contain sdl-config, either |
| 20:54.40 | Tupone | that is strange :/ |
| 20:54.55 | ts | I was too lazy to build SDL.framework from the source as the template is no longer appropriate |
| 20:55.31 | ts | e.g. it asks for gcc-3.3 and an SDK that is not installed by default |
| 20:55.39 | ts | in 10.5 |
| 20:55.47 | whodaman- | >quit zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 20:55.56 | whodaman- | doh |
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| 21:44.27 | brlcad | ts: it is a 10.5 "bug"/feature -- the fix is to get /usr/X11R6/lib removed from the link line, or to specifically list the dylib we want (the one in the OpenGL framework) |
| 21:45.19 | brlcad | Tupone: yep, know about it |
| 21:45.28 | ruskie | hmm so my zbuffer issues aren't resolved :( only reason it seemed to be was cause my driver got borked along the way and was using software GL... |
| 21:45.44 | ruskie | and infact it does happen when someone on the field picks up narrow flag |
| 21:45.47 | Tupone | hi brlcad |
| 21:45.52 | brlcad | howdy Tupone |
| 21:46.01 | ruskie | localset zbuffer 0 and 1 helps sporadicaly |
| 21:46.29 | Tupone | ruskie: hmm, does glxinfo report zbuffer? |
| 21:48.28 | ruskie | there's various buffer stuff that it mentions... |
| 21:48.39 | Tupone | depth |
| 21:48.41 | ruskie | but no direct mention of a zbuffer... |
| 21:48.46 | ruskie | hmm |
| 21:48.49 | Tupone | run glxinfo -t |
| 21:49.44 | ruskie | which part of the output am I looking at? extensions? |
| 21:50.12 | Tupone | only the table |
| 21:50.30 | ruskie | http://paste.sarcelle.net/index.php?id=168399fb02 |
| 21:50.33 | ruskie | there's the table |
| 21:50.56 | ruskie | there's a depth somewhere in there |
| 21:51.47 | Tupone | well, is not very well aligned there :( |
| 21:52.30 | Tupone | but it seems your driver report 24 bit of depth buffer |
| 21:52.39 | Tupone | so it is there |
| 21:53.04 | ruskie | http://mages.ath.cx/table.html |
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| 21:55.38 | ruskie | Tupone, this is the stuff that I get issues with: http://ruskie.dtdm.net/scry/index.php/list/0/bzflag/issues |
| 21:55.56 | ruskie | and I already downgraded the driver so I'm rather sure it's not that... |
| 21:56.08 | ruskie | I'll try to downgrade the client as well to see if that has any effect |
| 21:58.24 | Tupone | yeah. Try to see when the issue come. |
| 21:58.50 | ruskie | I belive someone else also reported a similar issue |
| 21:59.05 | Tupone | But I cannot see from the pics what is going on, they are too dark to me |
| 21:59.41 | ruskie | "2007-10-17 18:33:02<_anomaly_> i think the narrowwithdepth might have played with the z buffer, can't remember for sure" |
| 22:00.31 | ruskie | Tupone, well for example this one: http://ruskie.dtdm.net/albums/bzflag/issues/bzfi0021.png |
| 22:00.37 | ruskie | you can see through the wall to the other side |
| 22:00.44 | ruskie | infact the wall is gone |
| 22:01.48 | Tupone | You have already tried to move the config.cfg away, I guess |
| 22:02.00 | ruskie | hmm no |
| 22:02.21 | ruskie | but I can give that a go... though I highly doubt it |
| 22:02.48 | Tupone | well, playing with the display options can build those effects, IIRC |
| 22:03.04 | Tupone | s/build/generate/ |
| 22:07.19 | ruskie | removed and it's still there |
| 22:08.15 | ruskie | and the odd thing is it happens only when someone else(or I'm observing someone else) that doesn't have the N flag |
| 22:08.40 | ruskie | I'll try with 2.0.8 as soon as I get it installed |
| 22:10.06 | Tupone | ok. let us know. |
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| 22:21.08 | ruskie | but I guess that will have to wait till tomorrow... I need sleep |
| 22:22.16 | hunternet93 | Hi, I'm using bzflag 2.0.8 on a Apple. When I play, none of the bullets have textures and |
| 22:22.30 | hunternet93 | all the lasers are the same color. |
| 22:22.40 | tannerld | tiger/leopard? |
| 22:22.46 | hunternet93 | Panther |
| 22:22.49 | hunternet93 | 10.3 |
| 22:23.31 | Winny | IIRC, only 10.4 and up is currently known to work, 100% |
| 22:23.56 | hunternet93 | Hmm... It used to be fine on this computer. |
| 22:26.09 | hunternet93 | Does 2.0.10 work with 2.0.8 servers & such? |
| 22:27.27 | Winny | yes |
| 22:27.43 | hunternet93 | Ok, I'll try it then. |
| 22:27.48 | Winny | 2.0.x clients and servers are all intermeshable |
| 22:28.00 | ts | Do you get something like "could not load texture" at start? |
| 22:28.00 | hunternet93 | ok |
| 22:28.05 | hunternet93 | No. |
| 22:28.09 | Winny | the decimal place means they aren't compatible with each other, IE: 2.2.x and 2.0.x |
| 22:28.15 | ts | Hrm. |
| 22:28.17 | hunternet93 | OK |
| 22:29.08 | ahs3 | I am having a problem with that, i have 2.0.10 server and only 2.0.10 clients can see my GroundMaterial? any ideas |
| 22:29.45 | ahs3 | anything else sees just the grass |
| 22:30.01 | Winny | ahs3: is it a local texture, or a http:// texture? |
| 22:30.08 | ahs3 | http:// |
| 22:30.22 | Winny | you have .png on the end, right? |
| 22:30.27 | ahs3 | yes |
| 22:31.23 | hunternet93 | in the config file, the line "set boltTexture bolt" is commented out. When I uncomment it the game sets it back. |
| 22:32.01 | ts | There are no comments in the config file. |
| 22:32.15 | ts | # means something has its default value. |
| 22:32.18 | Winny | ts: commented out, with a # |
| 22:32.23 | hunternet93 | Oh. Oops. |
| 22:32.27 | hunternet93 | yes |
| 22:32.31 | hunternet93 | # |
| 22:33.34 | hunternet93 | does boltTexture take a directory as an argument? |
| 22:34.06 | ts | I don't know. |
| 22:34.06 | Winny | I have an idea |
| 22:34.11 | hunternet93 | Ok. |
| 22:34.13 | Winny | delete the config file, and reload the game |
| 22:34.16 | Winny | see what happens |
| 22:34.21 | ts | Rather rename |
| 22:34.30 | hunternet93 | ok, just a min. |
| 22:34.34 | Winny | ts: it automatically regens it anyways |
| 22:34.42 | ahs3 | not always |
| 22:34.44 | ts | if works then you can trash the config, if not you can revert to old config |
| 22:36.41 | ts | However, it does not sound like the config file is the problem here, rather the image is either corrupt or nonexisting. |
| 22:36.54 | hunternet93 | Yes, it worked! |
| 22:37.24 | ts | Wow |
| 22:37.30 | hunternet93 | Thanks! |
| 22:37.34 | Winny | \o/ |
| 22:37.47 | Winny | I win! ;) |
| 22:38.13 | ts | I don't think of trying to help as combat ;) |
| 22:38.22 | hunternet93 | Now I'm off to change all my settings how I like them. |
| 22:38.30 | Winny | ts: :) |
| 22:38.32 | hunternet93 | Thanks! Bye. |
| 22:38.37 | ts | cu and good luck |
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| 22:39.08 | ahs3 | Winny: I have a texturematrix on the GroundMaterial, you think that could be it? |
| 22:39.37 | Winny | I would guess that might affect it |
| 22:40.14 | Winny | if you have a texturematrix on the ground, I always just use a really thin, noradar meshbox (or a single sided plane) |
| 22:41.24 | ahs3 | k, that should fix it. |
| 22:42.00 | ahs3 | thanks |
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| 22:52.19 | inchworm | http://rafb.net/p/HDa1fI42.html |
| 22:52.31 | inchworm | bzflag from svn crashes and says thus |
| 22:53.06 | inchworm | running on OS X 10.4.9, updated and compiled this morning |
| 22:53.27 | inchworm | using the SDL library |
| 22:53.38 | inchworm | downloaded today from the SDL site |
| 22:54.12 | inchworm | any clues or shall i run it through GDB one of these days? |
| 23:01.43 | Tupone | brlcad is already aware of this |
| 23:12.43 | Winny | inchworm: totally OT, but why not upgrade to 10.4.10? |
| 23:13.08 | inchworm | uhh. cause i'm ant .10 and didn't know it ? |
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| 23:13.22 | inchworm | i just checked it! |
| 23:13.33 | inchworm | anyway :) |
| 23:14.02 | Winny | :p |
| 23:25.30 | Winny | anyone who cares about BZEdit: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11693 |
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