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| 03:17.51 | AAA_awright | Anyone know of any other BZFlag replayers besides the internal RecordReplay? |
| 03:21.15 | Macrosoft | someone had a web-based replayer |
| 03:21.26 | Macrosoft | dont remember who |
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| 03:30.56 | AAA_awright | Macrosoft: That was me |
| 03:31.00 | AAA_awright | :p |
| 03:31.06 | AAA_awright | I know they exist |
| 03:34.45 | Macrosoft | anyone tried peters new map? |
| 03:36.54 | tannerld | the river one? |
| 03:37.25 | whodaman- | Macrosoft: I was hosting the beta version |
| 03:37.39 | whodaman- | He also made another one... |
| 03:37.52 | Macrosoft | the hills map |
| 03:38.28 | whodaman- | meh |
| 03:38.50 | whodaman- | Neither of them looked like they were worth checking out |
| 03:44.34 | awilcox | Macrosoft: I could...addy? |
| 03:44.56 | Macrosoft | awilcox: huh? |
| 03:46.54 | awilcox | Macrosoft: I can try peters new map if you give me the address |
| 03:47.08 | Macrosoft | i dont know it |
| 03:47.25 | Macrosoft | i hosted it locally when i tried it |
| 03:51.52 | Macrosoft | awilcox: its hosted at mdk0.servegame.com:5156 |
| 03:55.06 | QuantumBeep | Wow, Jack's ripoff of BadgerKing is more shameless than I'm used to. |
| 03:55.27 | QuantumBeep | "Jack's CRAZY Map" isn't a single byte different from Badgerking as far as I can tell |
| 03:56.23 | tannerld | woah |
| 03:56.31 | whodaman- | QuantumBeep: he just /saveworld it |
| 03:56.44 | QuantumBeep | I wish there was a way to take action against that. |
| 03:56.51 | QuantumBeep | Copying a map that's in play is iffy. |
| 03:57.12 | QuantumBeep | Calling it your own - with YOUR name on it - is probably prosecutable. |
| 03:57.23 | Macrosoft | it is |
| 03:58.32 | Macrosoft | i t would be easier just to get it list server banned, though |
| 03:59.28 | tannerld | well then they can't host anything :\ |
| 04:00.13 | whodaman- | QuantumBeep: but everyone *knows* it's not their map |
| 04:00.20 | whodaman- | It's open source, what are you gonna do? |
| 04:00.24 | QuantumBeep | ? |
| 04:00.31 | QuantumBeep | Maps are not Open Source by default. |
| 04:00.44 | whodaman- | Has that map been ever posted on the forums? |
| 04:00.49 | QuantumBeep | I don't think Badger shares that. |
| 04:01.46 | Macrosoft | what map is it? |
| 04:01.53 | a_meteorite | ~bz20svn |
| 04:01.56 | ibot | [bz20svn] http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag |
| 04:02.06 | whodaman- | Badgerkings |
| 04:02.15 | Macrosoft | he has more than one, doesnt he? |
| 04:02.56 | whodaman- | Not really |
| 04:03.03 | whodaman- | He's hosting his own map |
| 04:03.52 | Macrosoft | i just did a search in the "map releases" forum for "badgerkings" and got no results, so i guess he didnt release it |
| 04:04.04 | whodaman- | Same here |
| 04:04.10 | QuantumBeep | There's an apostrophe in "badgerking's" |
| 04:04.16 | QuantumBeep | But I don't think he released it |
| 04:04.38 | whodaman- | QuantumBeep: anyone can just take the mofo map and remove all the mofo logo |
| 04:04.52 | QuantumBeep | Yeah, but nobody would play it for long |
| 04:05.05 | Macrosoft | i also did an author search, and he hasnt created a thread releasing the map |
| 04:05.10 | QuantumBeep | It looks simplistic, but you'd be floored if you knew how much TLC we give it |
| 04:05.12 | whodaman- | see, same thing with jack's crazy world |
| 04:06.06 | Macrosoft | heh, badgerking has only started 2 threads since he joined in 2005. |
| 04:06.06 | QuantumBeep | Except Mofo map wasn't written by us. |
| 04:06.26 | QuantumBeep | Although 100% of the code has been replaced over the years, it's an evolution from a freely released map. |
| 04:07.10 | whodaman- | Spazzy has rewritten the whole code twice already |
| 04:07.23 | whodaman- | ok, the original mofo-map is by DW 'christ' |
| 04:09.15 | QuantumBeep | Not just Spazzy. We've all got code in there somewhere. |
| 04:09.30 | QuantumBeep | It's probably the most Open-Source map ever seen on BZ. |
| 04:09.41 | a_meteorite | ... except dw didn't release it as open source ... |
| 04:09.46 | a_meteorite | and has asked you to take it down :P |
| 04:10.01 | a_meteorite | his intent was for a christian-based server, not a swearing-central server |
| 04:10.12 | QuantumBeep | It wasn't released? |
| 04:10.19 | QuantumBeep | Durr, oops |
| 04:10.28 | Macrosoft | heh |
| 04:10.31 | a_meteorite | (many of the early passion maps was a derivative work) |
| 04:10.46 | a_meteorite | QuantumBeep: it was released, but at that time, it didn't have to be open source |
| 04:10.55 | a_meteorite | and it wasn't even through the bzbb, iirc |
| 04:11.11 | QuantumBeep | Then what did "released" mean exactly? |
| 04:11.18 | a_meteorite | by his map collection |
| 04:11.31 | a_meteorite | he could have released it via the bzbb as well, it's been a long time |
| 04:12.10 | QuantumBeep | a_meteorite, since this is #bzflag, I want to call you on Mofo being swearing-central. That's a rather wrong and tunnel-visioned view of it. |
| 04:12.22 | a_meteorite | it's definitely the opposite of christian-based |
| 04:12.30 | a_meteorite | which is what dw's intention was |
| 04:12.55 | QuantumBeep | It's not the opposite, it is neutral. |
| 04:12.59 | a_meteorite | uh huh |
| 04:13.17 | QuantumBeep | Note the fact that all of us (except Holey, maybe) respect all faiths equally. |
| 04:13.25 | a_meteorite | whenever I manage to go there I get insulted by your admins with the spoofer plugin (one which I asked to be deleted long ago, since it was stolen), with some really horrible words |
| 04:13.33 | a_meteorite | that's more offensive than neutral, imho :P |
| 04:13.45 | Macrosoft | spoofer plugin? |
| 04:13.51 | whodaman- | a_meteorite: you don't get insulted because it's mofo |
| 04:13.54 | QuantumBeep | a_meteorite, you have a really big mouth. |
| 04:14.08 | whodaman- | you get insulted for what you've done there |
| 04:14.08 | a_meteorite | Macrosoft: yeah, I made a spoofer plugin when I had hosting on mofo's server |
| 04:14.12 | a_meteorite | they took the binary |
| 04:14.15 | whodaman- | It's a big difference |
| 04:14.18 | a_meteorite | whodaman-: no, they just insult in general |
| 04:14.28 | blast007 | anyway.... |
| 04:14.31 | Macrosoft | whats a spoofer plugin? |
| 04:14.32 | whodaman- | QuantumBeep: I've never been insulted by you |
| 04:14.37 | a_meteorite | you can talk as someone else |
| 04:14.59 | Macrosoft | ahh |
| 04:15.11 | a_meteorite | QuantumBeep: you just say I have a big mouth because I've kept the spoofer stuff quiet mostly :P |
| 04:15.21 | QuantumBeep | Well, doh, I didn't know you wrote it. |
| 04:15.22 | whodaman- | well, you and Mofo have gone separate ways, let's leave it at that |
| 04:15.58 | a_meteorite | yup, and I asked at least a dozen times for it to be deleted. |
| 04:16.18 | QuantumBeep | If you *wrote* it, stop asking and *tell* them you want it gone, NOW. |
| 04:16.24 | QuantumBeep | It's your property. |
| 04:16.28 | a_meteorite | I told delusion/IDO |
| 04:16.29 | blast007 | a_meteorite: speak with them then, not with #bzflag |
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| 04:16.35 | a_meteorite | basically they said something along the lines "too bad" |
| 04:16.45 | a_meteorite | oh, oops this is #bzflag |
| 04:18.39 | whodaman- | Meh... |
| 04:18.41 | blast007 | Macrosoft: I'd have a lot of windows if I did that |
| 04:18.51 | whodaman- | Yeah, same here |
| 04:19.06 | whodaman- | with all the private conversations |
| 04:19.07 | blast007 | 15 channels right now ;) |
| 04:19.17 | whodaman- | 10 here |
| 04:19.17 | Macrosoft | actually, i can choose which channels are tabs and which have their own window |
| 04:19.35 | Macrosoft | i can merge and seperate them on demand |
| 04:27.13 | Macrosoft | aww, it hasnt even left california yet |
| 04:28.21 | QuantumBeep | Man, I'm in the 7th Heaven |
| 04:28.43 | L4m3r | me too! |
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| 04:29.04 | QuantumBeep | I've got a Compaq rack-mount KVM switch with every feature you could imagine in a big steel box, driving an IBM Model M keyboard with trackball and a big 21" CRT. |
| 04:29.11 | QuantumBeep | I feel like Captian Picard. |
| 04:29.25 | Macrosoft | eww, CRT's |
| 04:29.40 | blast007 | eww, trackball |
| 04:29.53 | Macrosoft | QuantumBeep: widescreen or 4:3 |
| 04:29.54 | QuantumBeep | Macrosoft: Ever heard of Multisync? It's something that LCDs don't do. |
| 04:30.52 | Suspect | One of my favorite people from Star Trek :P |
| 04:31.18 | QuantumBeep | With a razor-sharp refresh rate, universal resolution compatibility, and a 180 degree viewing angle, a CRT has some very strong points. |
| 04:31.38 | Suspect | Once I switched to an LCD I never looked back |
| 04:31.48 | Suspect | But I guess CRTs could have their strong points |
| 04:32.06 | Suspect | But I think the positives of an LCD outweigh the positives of a CRT |
| 04:32.11 | Macrosoft | is this it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multisync |
| 04:32.38 | QuantumBeep | Unless you're running a service bench, in which case CRTs are such a clear winner you'd be a moron to use an LCD is someone gave it to you... |
| 04:33.09 | QuantumBeep | Macrosoft, Yep, that's it. |
| 04:33.34 | Macrosoft | my monitor isnt fixed frequency, though |
| 04:33.39 | QuantumBeep | LCDs do not do that. They use ugly scalers to fit other resolutions inside their native range, or they just black out part of the screen. |
| 04:34.19 | QuantumBeep | An LCD has exactly one resolution and color depth, and believe it or not, almost no LCDs actually display 24-bit color. |
| 04:36.42 | Macrosoft | does this apply to dvi signals? |
| 04:37.36 | mebigfatguy | well, your eye can't see 24 bit color especially in certain ranges of colors |
| 04:37.41 | QuantumBeep | Macrosoft, yes. |
| 04:38.11 | QuantumBeep | Don't be fooled. If you use a high-quality cable, analog HD15 is better than DVI. |
| 04:38.30 | QuantumBeep | It's capable of infinite colors, for one thing |
| 04:40.28 | Macrosoft | dvi has a clearer picture than vga on this monitor |
| 04:41.17 | Macrosoft | for me, its pretty noticable on fonts |
| 04:41.21 | QuantumBeep | That's about cable quality. |
| 04:41.37 | QuantumBeep | If you have a cheap, lightly shielded monitor cable, your image will be fuzzier. |
| 04:41.56 | QuantumBeep | And if the cable is very long, it can get very ugly. |
| 04:42.13 | Macrosoft | wouldnt the quality of the graphics card affect the image? |
| 04:42.22 | QuantumBeep | Not much. |
| 04:42.40 | QuantumBeep | All modern graphics cards have pretty solid image quality, especially if you calibrate them. |
| 04:43.22 | QuantumBeep | Of course, if you set your graphics card to 43hz interlaced, your screen will look like an acid trip, but that's not a matter of quality. |
| 04:44.55 | bryjen | analog vga makes sense to a (also analog) crt, but wouldn't an lcd be converting it back to digital? |
| 04:45.24 | QuantumBeep | Yes |
| 04:45.41 | QuantumBeep | But the conversion is typically quite good (again, depending on your cable) |
| 04:45.53 | bryjen | so dvi for that to cut out the conversions entirely |
| 04:46.03 | QuantumBeep | Yes. |
| 04:46.29 | QuantumBeep | When I say the conversion is typically quite good, it's usually completely perfect. |
| 04:46.42 | bryjen | nothing is perfect |
| 04:47.01 | Macrosoft | i wonder if this DisplayPort stuff is going to be popular |
| 04:47.06 | QuantumBeep | DVI sure ain't. |
| 04:47.36 | bryjen | there's close enough. as mebigfatguy said, you can't really see in 24 bits anyway |
| 04:48.07 | QuantumBeep | Unless you want to run in a high resolution, they are both functionally the same. |
| 04:48.16 | QuantumBeep | In most cases you just won't be able to tell the difference. |
| 04:49.07 | blast007 | QuantumBeep: ditto :) |
| 04:49.33 | QuantumBeep | Any CRT bigger than 15" probably goes that high. |
| 04:49.38 | QuantumBeep | Pony up your $35! |
| 04:49.58 | blast007 | it's nice though |
| 04:50.15 | QuantumBeep | I paid $100, but it's a Sony professional monitor with RGB inputs. |
| 04:51.07 | QuantumBeep | I'm looking for an exotically big CRT monitor. |
| 04:51.12 | QuantumBeep | 36" would be about right |
| 04:51.44 | blast007 | my CRT has coaxial connectors on the back |
| 04:51.47 | QuantumBeep | And I'd be prepared to pay $400 for a used one |
| 04:51.56 | blast007 | (plus the regular DSUB-15) |
| 04:52.34 | Macrosoft | we have an old monitor that has coax rgb connectors on the back, as well as the vga connector |
| 04:52.52 | QuantumBeep | About DisplayPort - proliferation of standards is bad, bad. |
| 04:53.03 | QuantumBeep | I'd rather see HDMI or DVI get extended than see a new standard. |
| 04:53.21 | Macrosoft | i dont like it either |
| 04:54.02 | QuantumBeep | I think it's really dumb that DVI and HDMI have limitations that people are actually bumping up against. |
| 04:54.24 | QuantumBeep | Even when DVI came out they should have known better. There's just no excuse at all for HDMI. |
| 04:54.24 | Macrosoft | i dont like the idea of encrytped video |
| 04:55.33 | blast007 | yeah, it's sorta iffy |
| 04:55.42 | blast007 | the DRM model in Vista is fun |
| 04:56.02 | Macrosoft | so far, 1440x900 has been high enough for me, i used to run 1024x768 on crt's |
| 04:56.08 | QuantumBeep | Modern DRM and copy protection are just insulting to buyers. |
| 04:56.10 | blast007 | if your video drivers aren't fully supported by vista's display driver model, you might not be able to play DRM'ed video |
| 04:56.24 | QuantumBeep | I don't buy products that insult me. |
| 04:56.28 | Djpenguin | ~pastebin |
| 04:56.29 | ibot | [pastebin] a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or http://rafb.net/paste/, or http://pastebin.com is usually painfully too slow and unresponsive to use, use one of the other pastebin sites, or dpaste.com is a very nice pastebin as well |
| 04:56.33 | QuantumBeep | This is why I will never play Bioshock. |
| 04:57.14 | QuantumBeep | 5 system transfers, then you have to pay $60 again? Yeah, right. I go through that many computers every year. |
| 04:57.20 | Macrosoft | i hardly ever buy games, the orange box was the first pc game i had bought in years |
| 04:57.38 | QuantumBeep | I didn't buy Orange Box. I just bought Portal. |
| 04:58.12 | QuantumBeep | Super Mario Galaxy is $50? You have got to be kidding me. |
| 04:59.03 | Macrosoft | ...and i found that portal works in wine |
| 05:00.44 | blast007 | Macrosoft: not the steam version? |
| 05:00.58 | Macrosoft | yes, steam works too |
| 05:01.05 | blast007 | hmm, cool |
| 05:01.16 | Macrosoft | you need the tahoma font, though |
| 05:01.29 | Macrosoft | copy it from a windows install |
| 05:03.58 | blast007 | I don't do much with linux though |
| 05:04.04 | blast007 | for a desktop OS, that is |
| 05:04.18 | blast007 | I have it on my laptop, but I can't get sound to work, so, mehh... |
| 05:04.22 | blast007 | not much for gaming |
| 05:04.31 | Macrosoft | what version |
| 05:04.32 | Macrosoft | ? |
| 05:04.38 | blast007 | latest Ubuntu |
| 05:04.42 | blast007 | 7.10 |
| 05:04.46 | Macrosoft | intel soundcard? |
| 05:05.39 | Macrosoft | ive seen stuff about people having problems with sound after upgrading, mine stopped working too after i upgraded |
| 05:05.42 | blast007 | Realtek High Definition Audio |
| 05:05.55 | blast007 | I've never had sound working on that laptop with any linux I've tried |
| 05:06.00 | Macrosoft | oh |
| 05:06.11 | blast007 | I've had an older Kubuntu, and DreamLinux |
| 05:06.27 | blast007 | I mean, it plays, but it's all jittery and plays at the wrong pitch |
| 05:06.53 | blast007 | and it won't play out the internal speakers... have to use headphones |
| 05:07.16 | blast007 | shows up as two audio devices in the mixer |
| 05:07.27 | blast007 | one being the Realtek, one being an nVidia HDA |
| 05:07.30 | Macrosoft | mine shows up as an entire list |
| 05:07.34 | blast007 | and it is an nForce chipset |
| 05:08.22 | Macrosoft | im not feeling determined enough to try to fix it anytime soon |
| 05:09.20 | Macrosoft | ive also had to switch back to onboard video after i upgraded |
| 05:10.26 | Macrosoft | they added a xorg config utility that tends to freak out if it finds more than one graphics card |
| 05:10.34 | blast007 | my nVidia 'card' works great with the new ubuntu |
| 05:10.44 | blast007 | (laptop graphics, 7600GT) |
| 05:11.08 | Macrosoft | geForce 6200 |
| 05:11.52 | blast007 | I have to undervolt my CPU to play games though, otherwise the CPU keeps adjusting it's throttle, making it nearly impossible to run games smoothly |
| 05:12.48 | blast007 | then I usually get a hard system lockup when I close down my voltage program :( |
| 05:12.50 | awilcox | hehe |
| 05:13.11 | blast007 | waiting for Notebook Hardware Control to add voltage control for AMD chips |
| 05:13.22 | blast007 | I have it working great on my Intel laptop |
| 05:13.57 | blast007 | now my CPU doesn't surpass 80C when I play bzflag :P |
| 05:14.24 | Macrosoft | i would have to disable my onboard video to use my nvidia card. and only way to do that would be to scratch out the printed circuit on the mobo supplying power :P |
| 05:14.49 | Macrosoft | and thats kinda irreversible, so i dont want to try it |
| 05:15.08 | blast007 | mobos have layers of circuits :P |
| 05:15.26 | Macrosoft | or i could just un-solder it |
| 05:15.39 | blast007 | doesn't it have anything to disable it? |
| 05:15.50 | blast007 | BIOS setting? jumper? |
| 05:15.55 | Macrosoft | nope, nothing in the bios config |
| 05:16.24 | blast007 | though I guess neither does my system with the i810 chipset |
| 05:16.41 | blast007 | but our K6/2 500MHz machines at work have a jumper ;) |
| 05:19.07 | Macrosoft | my new system has a 680i chpset |
| 05:20.27 | awilcox | a_meteorite! |
| 05:30.42 | Macrosoft | it arrives on wednesday, and im off on thursday and friday. so i get to stare at it and wish i had all of the parts. |
| 05:32.54 | Macrosoft | ooh, its traveled from baldwin park to ontario |
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| 08:35.28 | RalphB | first time here - does it get busy? |
| 08:39.56 | blast007 | RalphB: depends |
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| 08:40.08 | blast007 | most of the people here are sleeping right now |
| 08:40.18 | blast007 | (for example, it's almost 4AM here) ;) |
| 08:40.28 | RalphB | us? |
| 08:40.33 | blast007 | yeah |
| 08:40.40 | spldart | what are you... some sort of californian? |
| 08:40.44 | spldart | 3 am here |
| 08:40.44 | spldart | hehe |
| 08:40.54 | RalphB | switzerland |
| 08:40.54 | blast007 | spldart: wisconsin |
| 08:41.00 | spldart | ah |
| 08:41.48 | spldart | zzzZZZzzzzz |
| 08:42.04 | RalphB | so, this channel is for bzflag players or developers or both or what? |
| 08:42.27 | blast007 | again, depends ;) |
| 08:42.45 | blast007 | there is a #bzchat channel for general talk, but that rarely gets used |
| 08:43.21 | blast007 | there's also channels for a few of the specific servers and server groups, a channel for map making, etc |
| 08:43.51 | RalphB | so when all players suddenly f--- off to another server then I can blame this channel? |
| 08:44.53 | blast007 | IRC doesn't have anything to do with running a game client |
| 08:45.37 | RalphB | sure, but it lets the players coordinate amongst themselves ... ? |
| 08:46.06 | blast007 | I wouldn't say too many players frequent IRC |
| 08:46.37 | RalphB | just the lonely ones ... ? |
| 08:46.37 | blast007 | and less would "coordinate" on here any more than in-game |
| 08:46.47 | spldart | meh... most conspiring to run to another server happens on the first server in question |
| 08:47.05 | blast007 | I guess I'm no longer following what the point of your discussion is, RalphB |
| 08:48.20 | blast007 | quite a few of the developers hang out here, so we can discuss development |
| 08:48.52 | blast007 | players periodically use IRC to discuss bugs they encounter |
| 08:48.59 | blast007 | etc |
| 08:49.52 | RalphB | ok concrete question - i've seen there's quite a few maps d/l-ed on bzfag.org. useful. but the map i'm interested in hosting (privately) only exists there in an earlier verson. is there any way to grab the current version from the current hoster? |
| 08:50.20 | blast007 | you would have to request permission from the author and/or copyright holder of the map |
| 08:51.01 | RalphB | if i can find them ... ? |
| 08:51.04 | blast007 | privately might not be as big of a deal, but then again, they'd probably be more willing to let you as well |
| 08:51.46 | blast007 | RalphB: well, you likely already know who it is, since they released an older version on the forum |
| 08:51.58 | RalphB | i take it i need no such permission for those at bzflag.org? |
| 08:52.07 | blast007 | send them a PM and ask if they're still the copyright holder of the new map |
| 08:52.26 | blast007 | and by bzflag.org, I assume you mean the Map Releases forum at my.bzflag.org/bb/, correct? |
| 08:52.35 | RalphB | yes |
| 08:52.38 | blast007 | if so, then no, you don't need to ask permission |
| 08:52.48 | blast007 | you just have to abide by the license they release the map under |
| 08:53.00 | blast007 | (giving attribution, or whatever they have) |
| 08:53.42 | RalphB | ok thanks (actually in this case i almost prefer the older version) |
| 08:53.54 | blast007 | sure, no problem |
| 08:56.53 | RalphB | do i understand correctly that the next bzflag will bee able to validate the clients in some way? |
| 09:01.32 | blast007 | validate meaning what? |
| 09:02.18 | blast007 | validate that the client hasn't been modified to give an unfair advantage over other players? |
| 09:02.25 | RalphB | check that they are 'standard' builds and not extended with cheats |
| 09:02.29 | blast007 | no |
| 09:02.39 | blast007 | there aren't "standard builds" |
| 09:02.51 | blast007 | each linux distro builds their own package |
| 09:03.21 | RalphB | so cheat-clients will remain a problem ... ? |
| 09:03.26 | blast007 | sometimes multiple packages, for different flavors of their linux (x86, x64, PPC, etc) |
| 09:03.29 | blast007 | yes |
| 09:03.37 | RalphB | pity |
| 09:03.41 | blast007 | validating the client would not help anyway |
| 09:03.54 | blast007 | you can't trust what the client tells the server |
| 09:04.06 | blast007 | they could just fake a valid client signature |
| 09:04.36 | blast007 | some stuff is harder to do, or prevented completely in the new code |
| 09:04.39 | blast007 | so it's getting better |
| 09:04.45 | blast007 | but it still has a long way to go |
| 09:09.23 | RalphB | what's new in 2.0.10? |
| 09:10.29 | blast007 | oh, and I wasn't talking about 2.0.10 |
| 09:10.42 | RalphB | what's planned for 2.1/2.2? is there a feature plan on website somewhere? |
| 09:10.52 | blast007 | hah, a plan ;) |
| 09:11.31 | blast007 | anyway, 2.0.10 is a bug fix release to fix some issues with linux (specifically with 64-bit stuff, iirc) and there's been some stuff added to the server iirc |
| 09:12.27 | blast007 | http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/ChangeLog?view=markup |
| 09:12.42 | blast007 | look at the 2.0.9 changes, since that is what has been added for 2.0.10 |
| 09:15.09 | RalphB | (Gah! I don't seem to be able to copy from this irc client! xchat on n800) |
| 09:15.34 | RalphB | gtg thanks for answers |
| 09:15.58 | blast007 | np, cya |
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| 14:12.00 | ruskie | hmm I think I was running bzflag in software recently... |
| 14:15.46 | tannerld | in software? |
| 14:16.17 | ruskie | software mode |
| 14:16.21 | ruskie | for gl rendering |
| 14:16.25 | ruskie | and I didn't even notice it |
| 14:16.32 | ruskie | until today when I tied up the cpu |
| 14:16.45 | ruskie | now I noticed I'm getting z-buffer issues again |
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| 15:28.32 | brlcad | mebigfatguy: woot |
| 15:28.38 | brlcad | hi! |
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| 17:32.49 | mebigfatguy | woot to you |
| 17:47.18 | spldart | woooty wooooot |
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| 20:06.29 | Blue89 | do you guys have a mumble server for any bzflag games? |
| 20:06.47 | ruskie | glad I'm not the only one looking for such a solution |
| 20:08.01 | Blue89 | If I play anything besides bzflag, I play ChromeHounds a lot, and it has teamspeak. It would be cool if bzflag had that too. :- |
| 20:08.20 | ruskie | afaik there are teamspeak servers |
| 20:08.21 | Blue89 | it changes a whole game to hear people |
| 20:08.36 | ruskie | though I'd prefer a free software solution like mumble |
| 20:10.01 | Blue89 | lol |
| 20:34.11 | blast007 | wow, I was gonna run mumble, but dang, that can eat up a lot of bandwidth |
| 20:34.22 | Blue89 | do you guys know the addresses of any of hte TeamSpeak servers? |
| 20:34.26 | blast007 | "Worst case scenario: Number of users × Number of talking users × 60 kbit/s." |
| 20:34.41 | blast007 | "This means that a server with 20 players and 2 players talking at once requires 0.8-2.4 Mbit/s" |
| 20:35.14 | blast007 | 2.4Mbps in the case of 60kbps per user |
| 20:35.21 | Blue89 | wow |
| 20:39.11 | ruskie | blast007, try forcing some other codec than what it uses? |
| 20:39.56 | blast007 | it uses speex |
| 20:40.10 | blast007 | and again, that's worst case |
| 20:40.21 | blast007 | you can drop the quality |
| 20:41.16 | ruskie | that's the point :) |
| 20:41.28 | ruskie | make it understandable but withouth killing the connection |
| 20:41.48 | blast007 | half the bandwidth is still 1.2mbps ;) |
| 20:41.57 | ruskie | 1/4 ? |
| 20:42.12 | ruskie | how does TS compare? |
| 20:42.19 | ruskie | team speka that is |
| 20:42.37 | blast007 | probably not any better |
| 20:45.09 | blast007 | hmm, TeakSpeak and Ventrilo hosting, 50 users for $139/year |
| 20:45.32 | blast007 | http://www.darkstarllc.com/ |
| 20:45.43 | ruskie | both non-free software |
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| 20:46.01 | ruskie | I think they only give you the server... not direct access to run $random stuff |
| 20:49.42 | ruskie | there's also http://freshmeat.net/projects/squawkd/ |
| 20:49.43 | blast007 | ruskie: you know, I don't care about it not being open-source software |
| 20:53.52 | ruskie | then there's http://linux-wildo.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 21:02.02 | Winny | anyone in here have experience with the new modeltool? (1.8.4) |
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| 23:47.25 | AAA_awright | bz_getPublicAddr() returns nothing in bz_Load() |
| 23:47.34 | AAA_awright | Is that supposed to happen? |
| 23:49.48 | JeffM | plugins are loaded before the server is fully running |
| 23:55.30 | AAA_awright | I figured that. |