| 00:00.09 | JeffM | we don't call any of the SDL drawing code |
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| 00:01.25 | delusional_ | well, that's probably why SDL is going for lots of 2D |
| 00:01.35 | JeffM | SDL has always been 2d |
| 00:01.49 | JeffM | the inclusion of binding a GL context is very receent |
| 00:01.57 | delusional_ | ..shows what i know |
| 00:08.53 | Erroneous | JeffM: you're welcome to use the png write code for whatever you'd like. read you'd need MAC's permission too, a bunch of that code is not mine |
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| 00:11.17 | JeffM | it's under BZs LGPL isn't it? |
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| 01:45.41 | Macrosoft | so...is there a way to downgrade back to feisty fawn without losing all of my data and settings? |
| 01:45.56 | TD-Linux | WHY? |
| 01:46.11 | TD-Linux | Macrosoft... yes... I supposeish |
| 01:46.16 | TD-Linux | it would be painful though |
| 01:46.29 | TD-Linux | and you'll have to upgrade soon anyway... better to submit a regression bug |
| 01:46.38 | TD-Linux | and get it fixed |
| 01:46.51 | Macrosoft | since i upgraded, my video has been crippled, and ive lost sound completely |
| 01:47.03 | TD-Linux | sounds like my ubuntu upgrades |
| 01:47.08 | TD-Linux | 'cept I usually lose network too |
| 01:47.45 | TD-Linux | you can reinstall, copy out your home folder, that's where everything, including settings, is kept |
| 01:48.04 | TD-Linux | but when reinstall, try gutsy again first, might have been the upgrade, but not gutsy gibbons fault |
| 01:48.11 | TD-Linux | my sentences are horrible, I need to go to bed. |
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| 02:28.11 | eTangenT | mmm |
| 02:28.14 | eTangenT | half frozen Sobe |
| 02:29.09 | Macrosoft | never had one before, mostly drink rockstar and coka-cola |
| 02:29.16 | Macrosoft | *coca |
| 02:29.30 | eTangenT | rockstar original tastes awful |
| 02:29.36 | eTangenT | love all the Juiced's though |
| 02:29.43 | Macrosoft | yeah, i like the orange one |
| 02:29.50 | Macrosoft | red's ol |
| 02:29.52 | Macrosoft | *ok |
| 02:29.59 | eTangenT | guava's the best though |
| 02:30.01 | eTangenT | :D |
| 02:30.12 | Macrosoft | havent had that one |
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| 02:31.06 | eTangenT | my favorite energy drink, however, is the Blue Agave Full Throttle |
| 02:31.20 | eTangenT | and Boa, also |
| 02:31.31 | Macrosoft | i tried that one today, i thought it was nasty |
| 02:31.38 | eTangenT | the Boa one? |
| 02:31.43 | Macrosoft | ...the blue demon |
| 02:31.53 | eTangenT | the blue FT is awesome, IMO |
| 02:32.01 | eTangenT | Boa's a bit odd for most people |
| 02:32.03 | eTangenT | it's lime |
| 02:32.24 | Macrosoft | walgreens was out of the orange rockstar, so i thought i would try something else |
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| 03:09.31 | mbfg | >> Erroneous> JeffM: you're welcome to use the png write code for whatever you'd like. read you'd need MAC's permission too, a bunch of that code is not mine |
| 03:09.34 | mbfg | use away |
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| 04:45.55 | JeffM | yay for new video card |
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| 04:54.35 | rob1n | JeffM, what card did you get? |
| 04:58.44 | JeffM | 8800 GT |
| 05:10.06 | rob1n | JeffM, nice, i'm thinking about getting that one, how is it? |
| 05:12.03 | JeffM | green |
| 05:14.46 | rob1n | did you get the evga one? |
| 05:14.56 | L4m3r | JeffM: didn't you have a GTX? |
| 05:15.06 | L4m3r | oh wait, that was a 7800GTX... heh |
| 05:16.46 | JeffM | ya |
| 05:20.25 | QuantumBeep | 8800GT is pretty compelling. |
| 05:20.32 | QuantumBeep | Too bad $400 is a month's pay to me |
| 05:21.24 | JeffM | QuantumBeep: umm dude, 250$ |
| 05:21.41 | QuantumBeep | Nice. |
| 05:21.48 | QuantumBeep | Now I only have to starve for two weeks! |
| 05:21.57 | JeffM | it's the new card, 250ish retail |
| 05:22.03 | JeffM | I paid 269$ |
| 05:22.58 | QuantumBeep | I'm still using a X600SE |
| 05:23.08 | QuantumBeep | And that was arecent *upgrade* |
| 05:23.17 | JeffM | http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/29/1541253 |
| 05:23.19 | rob1n | JeffM, did you get it from newegg? |
| 05:23.24 | JeffM | no |
| 05:23.27 | JeffM | fry's |
| 05:23.38 | JeffM | walked in, picked up the box |
| 05:23.45 | JeffM | walked over got GH3 |
| 05:23.46 | rob1n | ah |
| 05:23.51 | rob1n | GH3? |
| 05:23.52 | JeffM | and an AV cable |
| 05:24.09 | JeffM | Guitar Hero 3 |
| 05:26.18 | JeffM | yay for 512 megs of video ram |
| 05:28.27 | rob1n | all i'm waiting for now is intel's core 2 duo 45nm generation |
| 05:28.50 | rob1n | then i can get a new computer -- the 8800 GT was the other thing i was waiting for |
| 05:29.49 | rob1n | JeffM, you're on XP, right? |
| 05:29.59 | JeffM | yeah |
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| 05:30.40 | JeffM | normal nivdia driver package installed fine |
| 05:39.27 | Constitution | are we going to remove the "got token" console messages and "Time elapsed" bzfs output messages in 2.0.10 before releasing? |
| 05:40.13 | JeffM | that's always been there I belive |
| 05:40.29 | Constitution | oh |
| 05:40.51 | JeffM | lets you know if you athenticated ok |
| 05:41.01 | JeffM | and that the list is up |
| 05:52.06 | QuantumBeep | Random spectator suggestion from dark regions: Why not make the text something a plebian could interpret: "Found your callsign in .04 seconds" |
| 05:52.39 | JeffM | sure, code it up for 2.2 |
| 05:53.03 | QuantumBeep | This could be fun |
| 05:54.33 | Constitution | looks like bzadmin is fine, btw |
| 05:54.45 | JeffM | coo |
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| 07:25.03 | eTangenT | PG-13, brlcad :P |
| 07:27.27 | brlcad | not that kind of busy |
| 07:27.36 | brlcad | not nearly as fun |
| 07:27.42 | eTangenT | Ah. |
| 07:27.56 | eTangenT | but meh |
| 07:28.05 | eTangenT | they cut out the hard part of the midterm |
| 07:28.13 | eTangenT | so I think I'm set anyways |
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| 12:17.14 | ruskie | echo... |
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| 15:30.32 | blast007 | Constitution: 'Time elapsed' only shows up for debug builds |
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| 16:57.25 | JeffM | delusional, you arround? |
| 16:57.56 | delusional | I am |
| 16:58.02 | JeffM | -g does a group |
| 16:58.07 | JeffM | -g GROUP_NAME |
| 16:58.22 | JeffM | that will put it in a define named GROUP_NAME |
| 16:58.25 | delusional | thats a previously existing modeltool function? |
| 16:59.15 | JeffM | yep |
| 16:59.20 | JeffM | been there for ages |
| 16:59.59 | JeffM | even lists it in the help ;) |
| 17:00.20 | delusional | it never occured to me to try -help |
| 17:01.13 | delusional | what about repeatable LODfile loads? |
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| 17:04.11 | JeffM | what do you mean? |
| 17:04.52 | delusional | if i wanted several lods, i could load them all at the same time,into modeltool |
| 17:05.09 | JeffM | umm that's how you do it |
| 17:05.19 | JeffM | in your diconf you put a line for each LOD |
| 17:05.29 | JeffM | and it loads them all and merges them into one big ass BZW |
| 17:05.41 | JeffM | jsut give each one a difrent pixel disance |
| 17:07.13 | delusional | ok, LOD is really where drawinfo will be the most useful, longterm, unless the bounding suddenly starts moving with the dlists |
| 17:09.04 | JeffM | if we could do moving bounding, we'd not need the draw info animation hack |
| 17:09.18 | JeffM | you'll only be moving the LODs untill we get a real animation system |
| 17:09.58 | delusional | we made an interesting casket that opens, and a skeleton crawls out, as you move toward it. using LOD. |
| 17:10.11 | JeffM | smart LOD will be the biggest speed up for drawing you can do to a map |
| 17:11.17 | JeffM | just don' cry if we eventualy break these abbuses of the LOD system you've been doin ;) |
| 17:11.26 | JeffM | it's not exacty what it was intended for |
| 17:11.29 | delusional | I have drawinfo'd entire maps, and applied angvel, it will literally make you sick. |
| 17:11.36 | delusional | but yes, LOD is where it's at |
| 17:12.25 | delusional | I sure hope you do break it someday! |
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| 17:15.09 | JeffM | I hope the engine gets replaced |
| 17:15.34 | JeffM | tho we may have to take some consessions on draw info if we go to another engine |
| 17:15.35 | delusional | it's over 10 years old now, isnt it? |
| 17:15.50 | JeffM | 13 |
| 17:15.58 | JeffM | well it's not even an engine |
| 17:16.03 | JeffM | I'd like to see us USE an engine |
| 17:16.13 | delusional | its BZFLAG! |
| 17:16.19 | JeffM | it's old drawing code |
| 17:16.29 | JeffM | the octree trepan did helped a lot |
| 17:16.38 | JeffM | but it's still not generic enough to be called an "engine" |
| 17:16.43 | ruskie | any decision yet on the engine? |
| 17:16.55 | JeffM | who would make that descission? |
| 17:17.11 | brlcad | we're going entirely with clanlib! |
| 17:17.12 | ruskie | well by decission I meant any obvious choice yet... |
| 17:17.23 | brlcad | screw the whole 3d thing |
| 17:17.26 | JeffM | no, and there will not be an "obvious" choice |
| 17:17.31 | JeffM | brlcad, oh I can fake 3d |
| 17:17.36 | JeffM | voxel billboards |
| 17:18.21 | brlcad | if you have voxels, I'm not sure how much you're faking 3d :) |
| 17:18.32 | JeffM | can have internal voxels |
| 17:18.47 | JeffM | then render them in clan lib as sprites ;) |
| 17:19.20 | brlcad | arguably just a form of 3d software rendering |
| 17:19.27 | JeffM | BSPs would work well I think for our current stuff |
| 17:19.40 | JeffM | just turn each of the prims into a brush and have it add faces to the bsp |
| 17:19.41 | brlcad | BZRPG |
| 17:19.45 | JeffM | evertank |
| 17:19.54 | brlcad | mmm |
| 17:20.06 | brlcad | powerup my tank's mana rating |
| 17:20.08 | JeffM | bsps would get rid of our z fighting issues |
| 17:20.31 | JeffM | brlcad, don't joke, Erroneous and I have talked about a plug-in that can do it, using negitive handycap ;) |
| 17:21.33 | JeffM | bsps just arn't realy conducive to LOD and long view distances |
| 17:22.04 | brlcad | the players already have a built-in charisma rating (assclown, cheater, nice person, etc), agility/dexterity is there, just need stregth, weapon levels, and a few other details |
| 17:22.46 | JeffM | I move the "did I die" choice to the server, and your good |
| 17:22.54 | JeffM | since we have shot type now ;) |
| 17:22.58 | brlcad | BZivilization |
| 17:23.14 | JeffM | that and a geenric system to add hud info and your good |
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| 17:59.06 | Constitution | blast007: ok |
| 18:06.54 | delusional | i am of the opinion that if the old mapping conventions need to be thrown out, get rid of them. People will learn new techniques, if they are interesting. |
| 18:12.01 | ruskie | ??? |
| 18:12.07 | ruskie | what old mapping conventions? |
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| 20:11.33 | Tedius | Do we care that the _showCoordinates are juxtaposed ontop of the added observer info? |
| 20:12.08 | JeffM | what do you mean? |
| 20:13.20 | Tedius | when you enable showcoordinates, they are on top of the observer info |
| 20:13.35 | Tedius | /localset showCoordinates 1 |
| 20:13.45 | JeffM | ahh overlaped |
| 20:13.56 | JeffM | can you show me a screenshot? |
| 20:14.01 | Tedius | okeedoke |
| 20:18.17 | Tedius | http://www.tedsmoker.com/whatdoyouthink/bzfi0586.png |
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| 20:18.45 | Tedius | sorry thats ugly, look in the top right corner |
| 20:19.02 | JeffM | the coordinates are HUGE |
| 20:19.22 | Tedius | yeah, I was wondering if there was a smaller font that could be used |
| 20:19.35 | JeffM | I think it was suposed to have a smaller one, thatn is the problem |
| 20:19.50 | Tedius | I modified it to put it beside the time instead of under, but my code is uglier than the screenshot |
| 20:20.23 | JeffM | yeah it's using major |
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| 20:23.01 | JeffM | get latest code and try it, it uses the minor now |
| 20:26.00 | JeffM | CIA seems kerbusted |
| 20:26.07 | JeffM | I made it use the minor font |
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| 20:30.40 | Tedius | thats good, but doesn't the Target Info still need to be dropped down a bit, to fit it in? |
| 20:30.53 | JeffM | I can't really run here |
| 20:31.02 | JeffM | show me another screenshot |
| 20:31.18 | JeffM | you can be my display ;) |
| 20:31.38 | Tedius | ok, but it will be a sec |
| 20:31.46 | JeffM | no rush |
| 20:31.52 | JeffM | you can compile right? |
| 20:32.07 | JeffM | I can tell you waht number to change as well, to make testing faster |
| 20:32.24 | Tedius | yeah, I can compile |
| 20:32.37 | Tedius | *multitasking* |
| 20:32.47 | JeffM | I'm guessing if you change line 761 of HUDRenderer, to be y += float(2.5*h); |
| 20:32.51 | JeffM | that will work better |
| 20:33.01 | JeffM | instead of 1.5h |
| 20:33.14 | Tedius | lemme see what I did before |
| 20:33.21 | JeffM | make that change, if it looks good, tell me and I 'll make it local here |
| 20:33.28 | JeffM | I mean commit it |
| 20:34.14 | JeffM | oh DUH, I see the problem |
| 20:34.20 | JeffM | it's +=, and it shoudl be -= ;) |
| 20:35.54 | JeffM | get latest again, it should work better, and shift the other stuff down. |
| 20:39.25 | Tedius | ok, this is what I did, and it worked, but it was a long time ago and I didn't know what I was doing |
| 20:39.27 | Tedius | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m6f256356 |
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| 20:40.18 | Epyon | hmm, how can I undo a svn add? |
| 20:40.28 | JeffM | Epyon, svn delete |
| 20:40.35 | JeffM | did you commit it yet? |
| 20:40.43 | Epyon | but without removing the files locally |
| 20:40.44 | JeffM | Tedius, get current code and see how it works |
| 20:40.50 | JeffM | Epyon, make a copy of the file |
| 20:41.02 | Tedius | ok, I'll get back to you a bit later |
| 20:41.05 | JeffM | then ether svn delete, if you have commited |
| 20:41.09 | JeffM | if you haven't svn revert |
| 20:41.29 | JeffM | Tedius, ok, let me know, I think current code will work better, but have too big of a shift |
| 20:41.30 | Epyon | revert - not enough arguments |
| 20:41.42 | JeffM | Epyon, it needs the file IIRC |
| 20:41.42 | Epyon | svn revert . doesn't work either :/ |
| 20:42.07 | Epyon | cool, it worked! |
| 20:42.09 | Epyon | Thanks JeffM :) |
| 20:42.11 | JeffM | sure |
| 20:42.43 | Epyon | BTW, sorry for being idle at bzflag -- I started running that 3ds max course, and it eats almost all of my time O.o |
| 20:42.51 | JeffM | school can do that |
| 20:43.04 | Epyon | Teaching can even more xP |
| 20:43.30 | Epyon | I never spent preparing for any lecture so much as I do now that I'm the one running it xP |
| 20:43.40 | ruskie | lol |
| 20:43.52 | Constitution | Epyon: svn revert -R . |
| 20:44.06 | Constitution | reverts the whole directory |
| 20:44.18 | Constitution | fyi :) |
| 20:44.54 | Epyon | thanks :) |
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| 21:21.35 | randomparticle | the bzflag configure setup doesn't look in ~/Library/Frameworks |
| 21:22.31 | randomparticle | is there a configure argument to alter that behaviour? |
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| 22:26.17 | brlcad | randomparticle: nope |
| 22:27.05 | brlcad | actually sorta .. you can add your own -F search flags as CFLAGS like any other CFLAGS and have it search your ~/Library/Frameworks |
| 22:27.45 | brlcad | the XCode project is specifically set to look in the system path, but iirc, configure just tries -framework SDL |
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