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| 00:27.41 | Joss | could anyone tell me where the .conf file is saved when using bzfs_conf.html to make a .conf file? |
| 00:28.09 | Winny | it isn't saved, its generated into a new window, IIRC. |
| 00:29.15 | Joss | hmm, and what good is that? if all i get is a black page |
| 00:38.00 | donny_baker | is it black on black? just copy and paste it |
| 00:40.01 | Joss | oops, blank* |
| 00:43.30 | donny_baker | what page is this you are using? |
| 00:46.56 | JeffM | hey donny_baker just a qurestion, now that you've got the wiki all set up on .bz how hard would it be to make another one with the same mods, just blank content? |
| 00:49.08 | donny_baker | pretty easy I believe |
| 00:49.29 | donny_baker | just need to copy the folder and point it at a new db |
| 00:49.37 | JeffM | hmm |
| 00:49.40 | JeffM | thanks :) |
| 00:49.58 | donny_baker | np |
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| 02:03.54 | JeffM | as well as port over the bzflag user datbase so everyone could just log right in... |
| 02:03.59 | JeffM | oops, ww :) |
| 02:06.06 | delusional | what's offset in a dyncol sequence? the second number? a delay before the sequence starts? |
| 02:08.24 | JeffM | the "sequence" command? |
| 02:09.00 | JeffM | looks to be "period" then "offset" then the list of values |
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| 02:10.41 | JeffM | code matches what it says at http://my.bzflag.org/w/DynamicColor |
| 02:10.47 | JeffM | [channel] sequence [period] [offset] [list of states...] |
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| 02:18.24 | delusional | well, what's offset for? |
| 02:22.07 | JeffM | the value to start at IIRC |
| 02:22.23 | JeffM | the inital shift |
| 02:22.49 | delusional | in a period? it only has 3 states, 0 1 2 |
| 02:23.04 | delusional | shift from what? |
| 02:23.35 | JeffM | could be an index shift |
| 02:23.47 | JeffM | it's shoved into the same palce as the others |
| 02:23.51 | JeffM | let me see how it's used |
| 02:24.47 | delusional | I'm gettting an unexplained blink in animation sequences, using an offset of 0 |
| 02:26.07 | JeffM | looks to be a time |
| 02:26.12 | JeffM | double indexTime = (t - (double)seq.offset); |
| 02:26.57 | JeffM | so a time shift to start at it looks like |
| 02:27.10 | delusional | ok jeff, that was my guess, too. thanks |
| 02:27.39 | delusional | doesnt solve my problem |
| 02:28.22 | JeffM | what does it show when it blinks? |
| 02:30.00 | delusional | nothing |
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| 02:36.45 | Macrosoft | ...there havent been very many new maps made lately, seems like its slowing to a crawl |
| 03:11.00 | delusional | drawinfo is prety exciting |
| 03:12.19 | delusional | did you see the running deer on tedius' server? |
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| 12:41.00 | ruskie | what's the release eta for 2.0.10? |
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| 14:45.05 | _anomaly_ | ruskie: did you figure out your z-buffer issue? |
| 14:51.33 | ruskie | _anomaly_, not yet... I just did a shotdown and try to re-set the card into the slot better |
| 14:52.25 | _anomaly_ | you thinking it a card issue? |
| 14:53.00 | ruskie | if I can remove one variable it makes it easier to trace... |
| 14:53.49 | ruskie | I'll see what will happen now... |
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| 15:36.32 | blast007 | ruskie: tried the "non-free" drivers? ;) |
| 15:36.52 | ruskie | no |
| 15:38.25 | ruskie | well either it's solved or it will re-occur later |
| 15:38.34 | ruskie | but so far no issues anymore |
| 15:39.10 | ruskie | _anomaly_, considering I have like 300g or more cooler on the card getting it displaced from the agp slot might be a possibilty |
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| 17:22.48 | CIA-21 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16079 10/trunk/bzflag/tools/modeltool/ (modeltool.cxx wavefrontOBJ.cxx): apply the global shift and scale when we read the OBJ, not when we output the BZW. This lets all the various model tools ( extents, draw info, etc.. ) pick up the shift/scale in the computation. |
| 17:25.55 | JeffM | delusional_, so are you saying that if you put draw info into a group, you have to modify the extents and bounds that are inside the group define, to represent where the actual instance of the group ends up in the world? |
| 17:26.08 | JeffM | cus that would be very bad |
| 17:30.37 | CIA-21 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16080 10/trunk/bzflag/tools/modeltool/modeltool.cxx: bump version to 1.8.2 to reflect the shift/scale fix |
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| 18:07.45 | TheLorax | when I run the bzfs exe should I see any ouput to confirm that the server is actually running? |
| 18:08.22 | JeffM | did you have any -d lines in your command line or config? |
| 18:08.32 | TheLorax | don't think so |
| 18:08.36 | JeffM | then nope |
| 18:08.45 | JeffM | it won't show anything unless there is an error |
| 18:09.08 | TheLorax | ok, thanks. |
| 18:09.27 | JeffM | you can add up to 4 d commands to get more feedback as it runs |
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| 18:40.51 | _anomaly_ | JeffM: how are the extents and sphere used in drawInfo ? |
| 18:42.26 | trepan | extents->octtree, sphere->alpha sort (iirc) |
| 18:43.11 | _anomaly_ | ahh, ok, now things are beginning to make sense. thanks |
| 18:43.56 | Tedius | Would there ever be a reason for those not to be the same? |
| 18:49.27 | trepan | i added it for the alpha sort (again, iirc) |
| 18:49.44 | trepan | had thought up some tricks to get certain situations to work better |
| 18:49.54 | trepan | they're automatically calculated anyways |
| 18:50.08 | trepan | if you don't need to do anything fancy with them, forget 'em :) |
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| 18:55.19 | Tedius | cool. thanks |
| 18:55.49 | SpazzyMcGee | trepan: When you say "fancy"...? |
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| 19:05.04 | Macrosoft | holy @#$%, bots everywhere |
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| 19:07.41 | Macrosoft | there we go, much better |
| 19:08.41 | TheLorax | there a developer channel for this game? |
| 19:09.11 | TheRedBaron | TheLorax: if game = bzflag. then channel = . |
| 19:09.31 | TheRedBaron | in otherwords, you are in the development channel of bzflag |
| 19:11.14 | TheLorax | alright, I'm going to try to implement the google summer of code idea for being able to publish realtime server stats online. I need to know if I should use postgresql or mysql. |
| 19:12.22 | TheLorax | because postgre uses libpqxx to interface with the database and that's not crossplatform |
| 19:12.43 | TheLorax | except mysql isnt' gpl like this game. |
| 19:14.37 | TheLorax | ok, then I pick postgre and I'll use #defines to disable the feature in windows. |
| 19:24.56 | Tedius | Does this help (under "For Open Source Projects"): http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/ |
| 19:26.27 | TheLorax | huh, yeah |
| 19:26.32 | TheLorax | alright, sql then |
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| 19:32.15 | JeffM | yea computing them isn't hard |
| 19:32.29 | JeffM | I wasn't sure if they were auto generated so I went and made them anyway |
| 19:32.50 | JeffM | I'll add a command line option to generate them, and make the default to not |
| 19:33.31 | JeffM | trepan, if you didn't know I modified modelTool to generate some of the draw info stuff |
| 19:33.56 | JeffM | LODs from a list of input OBJs, etc.. |
| 19:35.36 | JeffM | wonder if the lorax guy knows there is a webstats plugin now |
| 19:35.53 | Tedius | :) |
| 19:36.19 | JeffM | dosn't need any database cus it uses the game server as the web server ;) |
| 19:36.50 | JeffM | and if he's going to do a stats site, I'd much rather have pushed stats |
| 19:36.56 | JeffM | via list server or plugin |
| 19:39.25 | delusional_ | jeff, i guess my problem was caused by changing vertices after the export. not the group shift. |
| 19:39.33 | JeffM | ahh ok |
| 19:39.35 | JeffM | good |
| 19:39.41 | JeffM | you had me worried for a bit :) |
| 19:40.11 | delusional_ | you did find a bug in the bounding box tho |
| 19:41.10 | CIA-21 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16081 10/trunk/bzflag/tools/modeltool/modeltool.cxx: add -bounds option to force the computation and output of the bounding info for draw info. BZ will auto compute the bounds it needs by default, so modeltool will now not generate the bounds by default. |
| 19:41.30 | JeffM | bug in modeltool? or in BZ? |
| 19:41.38 | delusional_ | could I have v/n/t and corner numbering too? |
| 19:41.43 | delusional_ | modeltool |
| 19:41.53 | JeffM | why are you moding the data afer the fact? |
| 19:42.19 | delusional_ | good question.. i didnt want to make a new export. |
| 19:42.56 | JeffM | what kind of mods were you doing to the verts? |
| 19:43.11 | delusional_ | making a box bigger |
| 19:43.36 | JeffM | you can use global scale now |
| 19:49.01 | delusional_ | what happens is... I make my obj and modeltool it. ... i work in the bzw for awhile... everything is good, but not quite 100%.... i don't want to go back and make a new obj, export, paste into bzw.... just to see that it's still not exactly what i'm looking for. |
| 19:49.13 | delusional_ | I end up with about 100 open windows. |
| 19:50.06 | delusional_ | so i just changed a few vertices. |
| 19:50.19 | JeffM | I'm just asking what kinds of operations you do on them by hand |
| 19:50.24 | JeffM | scale and shift stuff mostly? |
| 19:50.49 | JeffM | cus if they are simple ops, I can give you commands in model tool to do them, using the same export file, you'd just re-run modeltool |
| 19:51.04 | delusional_ | with a more complex object than a box, going back and changing a few vertices is almost impossible. |
| 19:51.32 | JeffM | so your hand tweaking single verts? not applying the same math to all verts? |
| 19:52.05 | delusional_ | i'm probbly better off re-making my object in wings. |
| 19:52.16 | delusional_ | thats what happened today, yes |
| 20:01.09 | CIA-21 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16082 10/trunk/bzflag/tools/modeltool/modeltool.cxx: add -comments command line option to control the output of comments in the resultant BZW file. Will add comments for all indexes and faces. |
| 20:01.51 | JeffM | and there, that should add index comments |
| 20:01.56 | JeffM | it's optional tho |
| 20:02.04 | JeffM | you have to turn it on with the command line option |
| 20:02.37 | delusional_ | great, exactly what i wanted |
| 20:03.14 | JeffM | how slow is it at converting models? |
| 20:04.06 | delusional_ | I've been doing small ones lately.. and my big ones crash it! it puts di-machine to shame |
| 20:04.37 | JeffM | so a couple min |
| 20:05.03 | delusional_ | di-machine converted an obj that modeltool wouldnt... then bzfs crashed when it loaded the bzw |
| 20:06.18 | delusional_ | yeah, 2-3 minutes for 100,000 verts sounds about right. |
| 20:06.24 | JeffM | so "convert" isn't the right word :) |
| 20:06.37 | JeffM | I'm sure your php solution is a lot more error tollerant |
| 20:06.40 | JeffM | just cus of the language |
| 20:07.06 | JeffM | php is designed to not crash on an error |
| 20:08.20 | delusional_ | i get this during make, probbly doesnt mean anything modeltool.cxx:710: warning: unused parameter 'model' |
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| 20:20.33 | KTL | the new background-mountains look very nice with a reflecting icy groundplane |
| 20:20.52 | KTL | (and snow falling down) |
| 20:24.24 | _anomaly_ | did you see the 'alien' in the mountains? at around 100 degrees in binoculars |
| 20:24.35 | _anomaly_ | the new mountains |
| 20:24.39 | KTL | in the background something weird? will look |
| 20:24.56 | _anomaly_ | i think its a join |
| 20:25.23 | KTL | cool |
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| 20:25.47 | KTL | should have more of those alien art relics :) |
| 20:25.52 | _anomaly_ | lol |
| 20:26.56 | KTL | how shall we call him :D |
| 20:27.15 | KTL | johnny :) |
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| 20:41.53 | TimRiker | brlcad: what's the dumpfile in the bzflag dir on sf? they are whining about space again. |
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| 21:36.06 | brlcad | TimRiker: ah, that was our svn restore to fix the .svn dirs so ohloh stats would be functional |
| 21:36.23 | brlcad | I would have expected their svn import would have removed the dump automatically when the restore completed |
| 21:36.27 | brlcad | apparently it doesn't! |
| 21:36.33 | brlcad | (it can be deleted) |
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| 22:30.02 | Digital_Pioneer | OK, this is really annoying. Whenever I play BZF in windowed mode, I can't move the mouse outside the screen. (ArchLinux (Don't Panic), KDE 3.5.8, BZF 2.0.8) |
| 22:31.19 | Winny | uh |
| 22:31.28 | Winny | in displays settings, there is a confine mouse setting |
| 22:31.29 | Winny | IRIC |
| 22:31.46 | brad | input settings :) |
| 22:31.51 | Winny | right |
| 22:31.55 | Winny | ~lart brad |
| 22:31.55 | ibot | steals brad's mojo |
| 22:32.02 | brad | aww |
| 22:32.18 | Digital_Pioneer | Awww, sweet. :D |
| 22:32.28 | Digital_Pioneer | Thanks Winny, brad. :) |
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| 22:48.01 | TimRiker | brlcad: k. thx. done. |
| 22:48.24 | TimRiker | brlcad: btw... I copied it to my.b.o first in my home in case. |
| 22:51.02 | delusional_ | jeffM, in the newest modeltool, there are no line endings after the first vertex, it's all one line |
| 22:52.38 | delusional_ | half the file reads correct, the beginning and end |
| 22:53.59 | brlcad | TimRiker: no problem, thx for checking |
| 22:54.17 | brlcad | i'm really surprised it didn't remove the file after the import succeeded |
| 22:54.34 | brlcad | maybe they're just being safe, or something failed to clean up on their end |
| 23:04.02 | CIA-21 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16083 10/trunk/bzflag/tools/modeltool/modeltool.cxx: add comments and newlines to the actual indexes string, not the static geo |
| 23:05.12 | CIA-21 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16084 10/trunk/bzflag/tools/modeltool/modeltool.cxx: add comments and newlines to the actual correct string, not the static geo |
| 23:05.14 | JeffM | there |
| 23:07.53 | delusional_ | thankyou sir |
| 23:08.21 | delusional_ | the key for comments is "comments" ? |
| 23:08.28 | delusional_ | in the diconf |
| 23:10.08 | JeffM | not in diconf |
| 23:10.11 | JeffM | it's not a just a di thing |
| 23:10.19 | JeffM | it's a command line switch |
| 23:10.24 | delusional_ | oh |
| 23:10.37 | delusional_ | no more warning in the build |
| 23:15.22 | delusional_ | works well... do you still want to post my build? |
| 23:15.56 | JeffM | I figured I'd wait till you test it |
| 23:16.01 | JeffM | :) |
| 23:16.13 | delusional_ | I'll send |
| 23:18.23 | delusional_ | sent, I'm gonna edit my last post for a quick modeltool tute |
| 23:19.54 | JeffM | that's 1.8.4? |
| 23:23.35 | delusional_ | its the build i just made |
| 23:23.39 | delusional_ | it's not? |
| 23:23.42 | JeffM | so, yes 1.8.4 |
| 23:23.48 | JeffM | I dunno, I have no way to test it ;) |
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| 23:24.12 | delusional_ | get info says it was built 14 minutes ago |
| 23:24.32 | JeffM | I see no get info option on this windows machine |
| 23:26.38 | delusional_ | donny_baker, please add modeltool to your wiki "wanted pages" list |
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| 23:48.59 | delusional_ | jeff, is it 100% necessary that an entire .obj be texture mapped before running modeltool? |
| 23:51.50 | delusional_ | when a convert fails, i don't know if it's textures, invalid surfaces, or what |