| 00:00.12 | Macrosoft | found it *smacks forehead* |
| 00:00.29 | _anomaly_ | not sure if its what you want tho |
| 00:00.53 | Macrosoft | it doesnt have unicode |
| 00:01.28 | _anomaly_ | on the status bar is the unicode value |
| 00:01.53 | Macrosoft | i dont need the value, i need the character |
| 00:02.12 | _anomaly_ | yeah i was just thinking that, not sure |
| 00:02.40 | Macrosoft | wiki mentions methods of input, but none have worked |
| 00:02.42 | _anomaly_ | ぎあ |
| 00:02.46 | _anomaly_ | that works |
| 00:02.46 | Macrosoft | 行極! |
| 00:02.53 | _anomaly_ | same too ya |
| 00:03.09 | Macrosoft | _anomaly_: line extremely! |
| 00:03.27 | _anomaly_ | what are you trying to do |
| 00:03.40 | a_meteorite | can you take this to #bzchat or something..? |
| 00:03.47 | _anomaly_ | sry |
| 00:03.51 | _anomaly_ | i'll stop |
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| 00:25.55 | Kuprin | Meow. |
| 00:31.34 | Constitution | Oink. |
| 00:31.38 | Kuprin | lol |
| 00:31.44 | Kuprin | so what's so awesome about bzflag? |
| 00:32.13 | Constitution | ~bzflag |
| 00:32.14 | ibot | it has been said that bzflag is a 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (win32, linux, mac, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game of the same name that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ or a continual development project with periodic gaming interuptions. See also TimRiker |
| 00:32.49 | Kuprin | Hmm. |
| 00:33.40 | Kuprin | So it's not actually based on the Battlezone engine at all. Neat. Have you guys played BZ2LAN? It's been released free thanks to the old BZ2 devteam and has a lot of cool new things in it. :) |
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| 01:42.46 | JeffM | I so want to do an ogre port after talking to the ogre guy |
| 01:43.11 | a_meteorite | ogre is amazing |
| 01:44.42 | JeffM | the CS guy was cool too |
| 01:44.55 | JeffM | I just got a realy good feeling that ogre knows where they want to be in the future. |
| 01:47.51 | Winny | <3 Ogre |
| 02:01.13 | JeffM | I do have a question for any SoC sudent that is here. |
| 02:01.52 | JeffM | where did you see the info that talked about all the code being yours and being made in the project timeframe? |
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| 02:07.48 | I_Died_Once | ping JeffM |
| 02:07.53 | JeffM | sup G |
| 02:08.17 | I_Died_Once | how long does it take for the system to email the code out when someone reg's a name on bzbb ????? |
| 02:08.33 | I_Died_Once | fbgirl921 says shees been waiting fifteen minutes |
| 02:08.41 | I_Died_Once | wah, i know.... |
| 02:08.43 | JeffM | four hnunded and eight two nanoseconds. |
| 02:08.54 | JeffM | spam? or bad e-mail? |
| 02:08.54 | Flash | eighty-two? |
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| 02:09.42 | JeffM | I just made it active for you |
| 02:09.45 | Flash | actually, a clock with 2 nanosecond resolution is pretty darn amazing, for a list server ;-) |
| 02:15.22 | I_Died_Once | she's straight now |
| 02:15.39 | JeffM | cooleo |
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| 02:28.12 | Constitution | I got disconnected earlier... did anyone say whether the release binaries could be stripped? |
| 02:28.50 | JeffM | they can be |
| 02:28.53 | JeffM | and most often are |
| 02:29.03 | JeffM | brlcad does so on the mac for final releases |
| 02:29.06 | JeffM | so they arn't masive |
| 02:29.57 | Constitution | so it doesn't hurt the dynamic linking with the plugins and such? |
| 02:30.17 | JeffM | not that I am aware of |
| 02:30.25 | JeffM | but IANALG |
| 02:30.33 | Constitution | okay |
| 02:31.33 | JeffM | your on the mac right? |
| 02:31.37 | purple_cow | I am not a linking guru? |
| 02:31.37 | Constitution | yeah |
| 02:31.44 | JeffM | linux geek ;) |
| 02:31.50 | Constitution | I'm making an RC3 unibin |
| 02:31.59 | JeffM | ahh brlcad made one today |
| 02:32.12 | Constitution | you're kidding... lol |
| 02:32.19 | JeffM | he was going to leave it unstriped in case there were crashes so we could get a traceback |
| 02:32.20 | JeffM | nope |
| 02:32.33 | JeffM | he made one when we were all chillin by the pool |
| 02:32.43 | JeffM | and when we decided 10.4 only |
| 02:33.11 | Constitution | hmm... mine works on 10.3 |
| 02:33.22 | JeffM | there was question on curl |
| 02:33.27 | JeffM | and the non framework libs |
| 02:34.09 | JeffM | if it can be made, and isn't too hard, that'd be cool |
| 02:34.16 | JeffM | I'm not sure how many 10.3 users we have |
| 02:34.34 | Constitution | yeah... it was a pain |
| 02:34.41 | JeffM | then it's not worth it |
| 02:35.06 | Constitution | it was primarily a pain because I've never done something like this before :) |
| 02:35.21 | Constitution | but it seems to work okay |
| 02:35.45 | JeffM | did you link in curl staticly? |
| 02:35.49 | Constitution | yes |
| 02:36.06 | JeffM | we were hoping to not have to do that anymo9re |
| 02:36.25 | Constitution | that's why you decided 10.3 would go? |
| 02:37.06 | JeffM | well we figured if we had enough users we'd make a 10.3 ppc build as well |
| 02:37.12 | JeffM | cus that's prety easy |
| 02:37.28 | JeffM | doing it all 10.4 makes it a prety simple build |
| 02:37.53 | Constitution | only has to be done once... :\ |
| 02:38.07 | Constitution | well, and once per RC release, if we do that |
| 02:39.03 | JeffM | I doubt we'll ever get full mac build per RC |
| 02:39.10 | JeffM | so much of it isn't in SVN |
| 02:39.11 | a_temp_dist | would separate 10.3 and 10.4 builds be bad? |
| 02:39.19 | JeffM | no they woudn't |
| 02:39.25 | JeffM | they are actualy better in some ways |
| 02:39.41 | JeffM | that's why it's sort of the "plan" for right now |
| 02:40.04 | JeffM | I haven't heard of anyone who uses 10.3 so far, everyone I've asked is 10.4 |
| 02:40.18 | JeffM | so we can probably just wait and do the 10.3 when somone asks |
| 02:40.48 | a_temp_dist | the folks on 10.3 are the silent players, that never use the BZBB or irc |
| 02:41.04 | a_temp_dist | but they are 2.0.0 anyway |
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| 02:42.14 | Constitution | well since mine is done, and it works on both, can I go ahead and post it, and let brlcad make the call when he gets to it? |
| 02:42.21 | JeffM | sure go for it |
| 02:42.28 | Constitution | k, cool |
| 02:42.29 | JeffM | it'll be a good test |
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| 02:53.48 | Constitution | okay, posted |
| 03:20.15 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16017 10/trunk/bzflag/src/mediafile/ (PNGImageFile.cxx PNGImageFile.h): (log message trimmed) |
| 03:20.18 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: - Apply filters to PNG datastreams *before* converting them to native format, as |
| 03:20.20 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: per the spec. This lets us correctly defilter indexed images and <8bpp |
| 03:20.22 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: grayscale images. This has generally not been a problem in the past as these |
| 03:20.24 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: image types are not recommended to be filtered; Jeff's RC3 title was, though. |
| 03:20.26 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: This involves some pretty serious changes to filter() to remove the |
| 03:20.30 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: byte-per-sample assumptions. |
| 03:21.27 | DTRemenak | JeffM: I was right about the order being wrong. the rest of the filter code assumed that it'd already been expanded though. |
| 03:21.53 | JeffM | ahh |
| 03:22.30 | DTRemenak | it's all better now :) |
| 03:23.14 | JeffM | cool |
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| 03:48.01 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16018 10/trunk/bzflag/src/platform/ (WinDisplay.cxx WinWindow.cxx): slightly change the way Win32NoMin works to not interfere with confine mouse |
| 03:57.31 | DTRemenak | blast007: could you provide some additional details on the confine mouse issues mentioned in http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11543&highlight=confine ? |
| 03:58.54 | blast007 | DTRemenak: when running in windowed mode (at least with F1, not sure about -window), with confine mouse turned off, if I minimize the client and go back, the mouse is confined again |
| 03:59.02 | blast007 | even though the setting in the menu is still set to "off" |
| 03:59.16 | blast007 | I have to set it to "on" and back to "off" to fix it |
| 03:59.28 | blast007 | (but then it'll do it the next time I minimize) |
| 04:14.14 | DTRemenak | blast007: interesting that nobody noticed that on other platforms before |
| 04:14.29 | blast007 | does it do it on other platforms too? |
| 04:14.36 | blast007 | or does SDL handle it differently? |
| 04:14.39 | DTRemenak | looks like it. it's a bug with fullscreen toggling |
| 04:14.53 | DTRemenak | basically we set an auto-mouse-grab parameter for fullscreen at startup |
| 04:15.10 | DTRemenak | but we don't change it when you toggle out of fullscreen |
| 04:15.13 | blast007 | ah |
| 04:15.51 | DTRemenak | I have no idea if that's even desireable...probably is. automatically grab the mouse on fullscreen non-paused non-autopilot players |
| 04:17.41 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16019 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: "fix" automatic mouse grabbing to dynamically detect whether you're fullscreen or not instead of setting it at startup. should be more predictable at least; no idea about desirability. |
| 04:18.15 | DTRemenak | probably should put that in branch too, but I dunno if it's wanted |
| 04:18.31 | a_temp_dist | on my osx build, I don't see any time that the cursor is confined, not with -window, or starting fullscreen and using F1 - tried adding F4 to iconize to dock as well |
| 04:19.38 | DTRemenak | a_temp_dist: if you turn confine mouse on, does it grab it? |
| 04:19.40 | blast007 | a_temp_dist: do you have Confine Mouse turned on under Input Settings? |
| 04:19.52 | DTRemenak | could be that osx doesn't do mouse grabbing at all |
| 04:19.55 | DTRemenak | like windows used to |
| 04:20.04 | a_temp_dist | Confine mouse = no |
| 04:20.53 | a_temp_dist | heh - Confine mouse = yes grabs it |
| 04:21.11 | a_temp_dist | but when I F4 to iconize to dock - it is still grabbed |
| 04:21.25 | a_temp_dist | so I need to ctrl-tab to get it back |
| 04:22.15 | a_temp_dist | "get it back" means be able to use the mouse with other apps |
| 04:22.52 | a_temp_dist | and bzf client is borked now |
| 04:23.05 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 04:23.16 | a_temp_dist | black screen when F1 to full screen - white box when F1 to window |
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| 08:47.02 | brlcad | also posted the new RC3 Mac .app that I built today as well |
| 08:47.03 | Manu | welcome home brlcad ;) |
| 08:47.42 | brlcad | howdy Manu |
| 08:47.50 | brlcad | http://beta.bzflag.bz/builds/2.0.x/MacOSX/ |
| 08:48.38 | ruskie | :) |
| 08:48.48 | ruskie | vila will be happy :) |
| 08:49.11 | Manu | and others too :) |
| 08:49.11 | brlcad | looks like constitution's is up there as well now, so it'll be useful/helpful/interesting to know if either/both work |
| 08:49.34 | brlcad | and if either doesn't work, then what OS version and whether ppc or intel |
| 08:50.47 | Manu | no splitted? |
| 08:52.37 | Manu | brlcad: enviaré mi email con mi iphone desde el avión... presumido ;) |
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| 09:21.33 | brlcad | splitted? |
| 09:21.58 | brlcad | i didn't strip mine .. so if his is stripped then it's even more different |
| 09:22.35 | Manu | I mean strip :/ |
| 09:22.36 | brlcad | Manu: del avion? por donde vas? |
| 09:22.51 | Manu | brlcad: me refería a tu email ;) |
| 09:23.07 | brlcad | ahh, jeje |
| 09:23.08 | Manu | el que enviaste a viper :) |
| 09:23.32 | brlcad | maybe, I don't even remember where I was at |
| 09:24.38 | brlcad | ah, at that time I was somewhere in the airport |
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| 13:41.14 | blast007 | brlcad: is the BZFlag_2.0.10_RC3.app.tar.bz2 file only for 10.4? |
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| 15:44.36 | Winny | is the currently 2.0.9 SVN stable? |
| 15:45.32 | Winny | or, perhaps a better question would be, is anyone having trouble with the latest 2.0.9 BZFS crashing |
| 15:50.07 | blast007 | do you mean 2.0.9, or v2_0branch? |
| 15:50.21 | blast007 | 2.0.9 doesn't really refer to a specific point in SVN |
| 15:51.15 | Thumper_ | Winny: do you? |
| 15:51.20 | Winny | sorry, v2_0branch |
| 15:56.35 | Thumper_ | Winny: I think the server is stable - I haven't beat on the client |
| 15:56.37 | brlcad | blast007: I believe so |
| 15:56.48 | brlcad | but haven't confirmed |
| 15:58.06 | blast007 | okay |
| 15:58.55 | brlcad | i renamed them |
| 15:59.15 | Winny | yay, this is interesting |
| 15:59.19 | blast007 | brlcad: how recently? |
| 15:59.26 | brlcad | just now |
| 15:59.29 | blast007 | I updated the download links this morning |
| 15:59.33 | Winny | as soon as I updated BZFS, I get "File transfer terminated with error from libcurl 28 : Connection time-out |
| 15:59.33 | Winny | " |
| 15:59.35 | brlcad | oh, oops |
| 16:00.04 | blast007 | Winny: sounds like a port mismatch between -p and what -publicaddr has |
| 16:00.10 | blast007 | or a firewall |
| 16:00.14 | Winny | blast007: havent changed anything |
| 16:00.42 | Winny | interesting, my log file was causing it o.O |
| 16:00.50 | blast007 | huh? |
| 16:01.08 | Winny | I removed >> bloodbathlog.txt, and now, no error o.O |
| 16:01.14 | blast007 | eh |
| 16:01.23 | blast007 | put it back and confirm |
| 16:01.32 | blast007 | that shouldn't affect that |
| 16:01.53 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r16020 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/include/BzfMedia.h: need access to mediaDir, Mac really needs to extend some extra logic |
| 16:02.29 | Winny | blast007, yup, not appearing on the list if I use a logfile |
| 16:02.36 | blast007 | :/ |
| 16:02.50 | blast007 | that doesn't even make sense |
| 16:02.58 | blast007 | try piping through tee |
| 16:03.09 | blast007 | bzfs -config whatever | tee -a bloodbathlog.txt |
| 16:04.05 | Winny | not on the list |
| 16:04.23 | blast007 | .. |
| 16:04.39 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r16021 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/platform/MacOSX/ (MacDisplay.cxx MacMedia.cxx MacMedia.h): |
| 16:04.42 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: override the setMediaDirectory() call so that it always checks the .app |
| 16:04.44 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: Resources bundle if it's being invoked as such, regardless of the directory |
| 16:04.46 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: variable setting. have it check for a data dir as well if none of the others |
| 16:04.48 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: are found. |
| 16:07.09 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r16022 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/configure.ac: |
| 16:07.09 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: add an --enable-universal option on Mac OS X only that adds the additional |
| 16:07.09 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: compilation/linker flags for building universal binaries. right now this is |
| 16:07.09 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: specific to the 10.4 universal SDK (so that we can be certain we link against |
| 16:07.10 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: the right libraries at run-time). this is also still just a simple single-pass |
| 16:07.12 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: compilation. |
| 16:07.39 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r16023 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzflag/bzflag.cxx: ws |
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| 16:14.37 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r16024 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 16:14.37 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: update the project to XCode 2.4.1 .xcodeproj project file format. the build |
| 16:14.37 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: phase is set now to also build as a universal by default, non-opt, and using the |
| 16:14.37 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 10.4 SDK. It also builds and includes all plugins in the bundle now too (in the |
| 16:14.37 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: PlugIns content folder) |
| 16:15.19 | JeffM | well it looks like he got home ok :) |
| 16:15.30 | brlcad | 108MB unstripped, 9.8MB stripped |
| 16:15.41 | brlcad | yeah, just a few hours .. late :) |
| 16:16.26 | brlcad | shameful denver didn't have free wifi either |
| 16:16.38 | JeffM | late again? |
| 16:16.43 | brlcad | 2.5 hours |
| 16:16.44 | JeffM | damn |
| 16:26.17 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r16025 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzflag/bzflag.cxx: no longer need the Mac OS X hack since it was pushed into platform (and improved). might want to do the same for windows too at some point, but not now. mac's only now because it's a common problem with the .apps |
| 16:27.58 | JeffM | what hack? |
| 16:28.47 | brlcad | the mac one was a hack, the windows one .. not so much, but it probably still could/should go in platform |
| 16:28.57 | brlcad | for setting/finding the data dir |
| 16:29.14 | JeffM | it's not in directories.whatever? |
| 16:29.55 | JeffM | cus I thought we had one place where we did all dir names |
| 16:29.57 | brlcad | huh? I'm talking about where the code is, not what it does so much |
| 16:30.05 | JeffM | ahh so we don't have one place |
| 16:30.19 | JeffM | we have a dirnames.cxx IIRC that I thought did all directory stuff |
| 16:30.27 | brlcad | it does a GetModuleFileName(), a strrchr, and a strcat, |
| 16:30.35 | JeffM | and I think it's part of platform, I wasn't aware that the data dir stuff wasn't in there |
| 16:30.41 | JeffM | yeah it should be moved to be consistent |
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| 16:32.09 | JeffM | or moved into a resource manager class that can read from files or zips :) |
| 16:32.11 | brlcad | DirectoryNames also does the config dir, not the data dir |
| 16:32.20 | JeffM | it should do them all I think |
| 16:32.31 | brlcad | platform already does them |
| 16:32.43 | brlcad | the stuff in DirectoryNames probably belongs in platform :) |
| 16:32.52 | JeffM | yeah should do them all in the same place |
| 16:32.54 | brlcad | or at least works with it |
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| 16:33.27 | JeffM | for 2.2 I'd like to re-evaluate where we put stuff for windows |
| 16:33.33 | JeffM | my bzflag files is stupid |
| 16:34.25 | brlcad | the location has been pretty appropriate for Mac OS X now |
| 16:34.51 | brlcad | the only thing I'd consider would be to actually load separate files based on whether it's a .app invocation or a command-line run |
| 16:35.04 | JeffM | we should put the config and stuff in application data |
| 16:35.11 | JeffM | and only user created things in my documents |
| 16:35.18 | JeffM | like screenshots |
| 16:35.30 | JeffM | into my picuures then a dir with the date |
| 16:35.32 | brlcad | i.e. if you were on a command-line, it'd actually load/use the usual .bzf dir files, but .app would use the Library/App support/bzflag/etc files |
| 16:36.02 | brlcad | yeah, config files in the user dir on windows is a bit wonky |
| 16:36.17 | brlcad | better than putting it in the registry though |
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| 16:36.56 | JeffM | well techincaly the "user" dir is a dir up |
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| 16:37.33 | JeffM | app settins is the prefreed place to put settings |
| 16:37.47 | JeffM | they actualy don't want you to use the registry for config stuff that changes often |
| 16:37.58 | JeffM | I belive the registry is mostly for things that more then one app accesses. |
| 16:38.15 | brlcad | wonder how that will play out with corporate profile settings |
| 16:38.17 | Erroneous | unless it's changed, they actually do prefer you use it |
| 16:38.27 | Erroneous | it was supposed to replace all .ini files from 3.1 |
| 16:38.30 | brlcad | configs that let users write to their docs folder, but not the settings |
| 16:38.31 | JeffM | ahh |
| 16:38.47 | JeffM | that would be odd to not let an app write to settings |
| 16:38.56 | JeffM | a lot of stuff writes there |
| 16:39.21 | JeffM | but what I could do is have it use a fallback mode, and use the sysem temp dir if the app settings are not writeable |
| 16:39.27 | Erroneous | yeah, that would make no sense. i.e. office stores most of it's settings in the user dir |
| 16:39.35 | Erroneous | s/it's/its/ |
| 16:39.49 | JeffM | even guest access allows writes to the settings dir |
| 16:39.59 | JeffM | it just may be blown out after the session |
| 16:40.06 | brlcad | well, the settings could be there, just not let you change them |
| 16:40.18 | brlcad | profile restriction to keep to some corporate image |
| 16:40.26 | JeffM | we could be cleaner when dealing with read only stuff |
| 16:40.49 | brlcad | pretty sure it's possible, just a matter of how prevalent it is (if even at all) |
| 16:41.33 | brlcad | i'll have to take a peek at work's setup some time; it's pretty locked down but dunno wrt this |
| 16:42.01 | donny_baker | only problem i could see with the applications directory is that it is a hidden folder |
| 16:42.20 | donny_baker | not technically a bad thing, but harder to explain to windows users |
| 16:42.43 | JeffM | I can make a shortcut in the start menu open that dir |
| 16:42.53 | donny_baker | that would help |
| 16:42.55 | JeffM | but really, it's rare for a windows user to have to open that dir |
| 16:43.12 | JeffM | techincaly if you have to edit the config, that means our UI has failed. |
| 16:44.35 | donny_baker | true |
| 16:45.15 | donny_baker | just wanted to point it out, not saying thats where they shouldn't go (cause they should) |
| 16:45.38 | Winny | you could do what my stupid friends do, and install everything to the desktop. :E |
| 16:45.46 | JeffM | I mean right now, we don't say where it is |
| 16:45.56 | JeffM | so it's just as unknown |
| 16:46.09 | JeffM | screenshots and saved maps, should go in the docs dir |
| 16:46.18 | JeffM | cus those are files they asked us to make and save for them |
| 16:47.01 | donny_baker | yep, I agree with that too |
| 16:49.48 | brlcad | yeah, those files aren't in the "right" place on mac either |
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| 16:56.13 | JeffM | that's why I'd like to maybe put all the dirs/resource stuff into a class that is implemented in platform |
| 16:56.31 | JeffM | so the client code can just say "hey save this image" and the class and platform will take care of it |
| 16:58.35 | JeffM | or "give me a handle to this data file" and it'll go and get it where ever it is, system dir, user dir, cache, wherever and then we can pass that handle to the media loaders or OS file for reading |
| 17:02.16 | blast007 | JeffM: on the topic of directory stuff, it'd be nice if each major version placed their screenshots in a different directory, so they don't clober each other's files |
| 17:02.41 | JeffM | blast007, I was going to have it make a dir in my pictures with the date |
| 17:02.46 | JeffM | and increment based on that |
| 17:02.46 | blast007 | ah, just read that |
| 17:02.57 | JeffM | I figure that would be most usefull |
| 17:03.01 | blast007 | yeah |
| 17:03.14 | JeffM | and perhaps use the time in the name |
| 17:03.28 | JeffM | then there will be no stomping |
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| 17:20.10 | brlcad | could set the version as a png text attribute :) |
| 17:20.23 | brlcad | as part of the creator or "camera" properties |
| 17:20.52 | JeffM | probably not a bad idea too |
| 17:21.01 | JeffM | and stamp in the platform and GL string |
| 17:25.10 | Erroneous | I think we already do |
| 17:26.53 | Erroneous | version & platform anyway, probably not gl...though that's not a half-bad idea |
| 17:27.08 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:29.27 | Erroneous | yup |
| 17:30.16 | Erroneous | yeah, we currently write a tEXt chunk with Software: getAppVersion() |
| 17:38.56 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16026 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/clientCommands.cxx: write an additional PNG tEXt chunk with the GL Renderer vendor, name, and version, to assist with debugging. |
| 17:39.07 | Erroneous | I'd appreciate it if someone could test that ;) |
| 17:41.49 | purple_cow | hehe. yay for abusing tEXt |
| 17:48.20 | Erroneous | version number in tEXt is an appropriate use. GL Renderer might be pushing it :) |
| 17:51.01 | Erroneous | now...if I was writing the world into a zTXT chunk, THAT would be abuse :) |
| 17:51.14 | blast007 | heh |
| 17:51.15 | JeffM | write out the coordinates of the tank |
| 17:51.19 | JeffM | and the entire stae |
| 17:51.26 | JeffM | so we can rebuild the scene |
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| 18:00.53 | bryjen | Erroneous: libpng warning: tEXt: CRC error libpng error: PNG unsigned integer out of range. |
| 18:01.09 | Erroneous | hmm |
| 18:01.26 | bryjen | trying to open a screenshot with kview (KDE image viewer util) |
| 18:02.41 | Erroneous | oopsie |
| 18:02.46 | bryjen | gimp opens it but asks "File Corrupted?" |
| 18:04.39 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16027 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/clientCommands.cxx: 9 != 12 |
| 18:04.55 | Erroneous | try that :) |
| 18:06.36 | JeffM | you got the bad image to load too? |
| 18:06.43 | Erroneous | yeah, last night |
| 18:06.47 | JeffM | cool |
| 18:06.55 | JeffM | so I can keep making images here |
| 18:06.59 | Erroneous | you were there when I checked it in ;) |
| 18:07.13 | JeffM | I didn't know if oyu actualy tested it |
| 18:07.19 | Erroneous | yeah, I did |
| 18:07.55 | bryjen | that's fixed it |
| 18:07.57 | Erroneous | whatever wrote it didn't follow the recommendations in the standard, but it was valid |
| 18:09.55 | Erroneous | bryjen: does it actually come out readable and make sense? |
| 18:10.01 | JeffM | that would be elements |
| 18:12.00 | Constitution | ~brlcad++ |
| 18:16.38 | JeffM | Erroneous, did you see the video of the x wing rocket? |
| 18:16.41 | JeffM | I called it ;) |
| 18:17.01 | JeffM | engines ripped right off the body |
| 18:17.06 | Erroneous | nope...got a link? |
| 18:17.12 | JeffM | tho I think thousands of others called it the same too |
| 18:17.14 | JeffM | let me find |
| 18:17.39 | Erroneous | n/m, I got it |
| 18:18.13 | JeffM | it looks like they were lucky from the injury standpoint |
| 18:18.21 | JeffM | it was pointg somewhat AT the camera when it blew |
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| 18:21.29 | bryjen | now i get some nice details in this preview box http://bryjen.bzflag.org/pngtext.png |
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| 18:25.45 | ts | I'm curious about the map building project in GSoC, is there a binary I can download? |
| 18:28.18 | ts | "Proposal for the Development of a Grapical BZW 2.0 Editor" |
| 18:29.52 | ruskie | I think it's in svn |
| 18:30.01 | ruskie | jude- was working on that afaik |
| 18:30.01 | ts | a binary? |
| 18:30.09 | ruskie | ow |
| 18:30.11 | ruskie | binary no clue... |
| 18:30.22 | ruskie | I'm usually ever only interested in the source :) |
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| 18:37.05 | bryjen | still having obstacles that are not drive-through on 2.0 that are on 2.1 using the same world file |
| 18:37.41 | Erroneous | bryjen: interesting...I actually just noticed that on my png test map yesterday |
| 18:39.37 | bryjen | bryjen.bzflag.org:5155 the mesh "ground" is passable :( seems the server thinks so as it's placing flags under it too |
| 18:40.19 | Erroneous | the boxes on bzflag.swordofkahless.com:5000 also should be solid |
| 18:40.24 | Erroneous | meshbox objects iirc |
| 18:41.21 | brlcad | hah, drat |
| 18:41.41 | Erroneous | heh |
| 18:42.13 | brlcad | like word for word |
| 18:42.38 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03macsforme * r16029 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/ (Makefile.am configure.ac): Xcode project file has been updated, has new extension. |
| 18:44.27 | brlcad | oops |
| 18:45.06 | tannerld | famous last words |
| 18:46.08 | Erroneous | ts: there are no bzworkbench binaries available; you can get it from svn if you want to check it out. it's not really finished either (just a very good start with a solid back end). |
| 18:46.30 | ts | hrm |
| 18:46.50 | ts | So the community did end up with little profit |
| 18:47.17 | brlcad | wtf |
| 18:48.38 | brlcad | ts: and you're providing incredibly little profit with that commentary too, seriously just stfu if that's all you have to contribute |
| 18:51.45 | brlcad | the guy cranked out 20k lines of code in just a handful of weeks, has a working application that just needs more work (like everything else in the game) .. and you're just bitching that nobody has built binaries for you yet |
| 18:51.53 | brlcad | very uncool and not appreciated |
| 18:54.08 | ts | Well, he certainly did a good job but wasn't the code written to have an app useable like bzedit, most people can hardly compile |
| 18:54.30 | Winny | most people can hardly compile anything |
| 18:54.31 | brad | blast made a windows binary |
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| 18:55.05 | brlcad | his job was to write code, and he wrote a hell of a lot of code |
| 18:55.11 | brlcad | not make binaries for you or anyone else |
| 18:55.23 | brlcad | binaries will be made, it's still being worked on |
| 18:56.26 | brlcad | nobody said you'd have it in your hands right away -- it'll continue to be worked on and when it's ready for testing, it'll be distributed |
| 18:57.05 | brlcad | and regardless of what the goal was, that still doesn't make that kind of bitching acceptable imo -- rather rude and insulting to the work that HAS gone into it |
| 18:57.29 | Erroneous | the end of SoC is not the end of development on bzworkbench. unlike previous editors, it's a solid architecture, built from the ground up for 2.0 support, and it's cross-platform. development will continue |
| 18:58.17 | ruskie | the whole point of gsoc(as I understand it) is to bring more ppl in and have them work on usable code onwards |
| 18:58.32 | ruskie | not just one single project for a few weeks |
| 18:58.48 | brlcad | exactly, it's to attract new developers for the long term |
| 18:58.56 | brlcad | not just get a few lines of code out of them |
| 18:59.41 | ruskie | hmm Manu something odd... dd can read admin chan while using a completly unregistered callsign... |
| 19:00.04 | tannerld | ruskie: hide |
| 19:00.09 | tannerld | ruskie: *hidden admin rather |
| 19:00.13 | ruskie | no |
| 19:00.17 | ruskie | completly unregistered |
| 19:00.23 | tannerld | local group? |
| 19:00.27 | ruskie | checked his perms |
| 19:00.32 | ruskie | no admin read only send |
| 19:00.45 | tannerld | pychic? |
| 19:00.47 | ruskie | hidden admin needs to be registered |
| 19:01.38 | ruskie | only group he has is EVERYONE |
| 19:02.19 | Erroneous | server password? |
| 19:03.06 | ruskie | don't think there is one on vipers |
| 19:03.19 | ruskie | and would still have to show him having perms right? |
| 19:03.19 | Manu | ruskie: weird |
| 19:03.23 | blast007 | ruskie: /showperms Username |
| 19:03.41 | blast007 | they'd need adminMessageReceive |
| 19:04.05 | ruskie | actianMessae, adimnMessageSend date flagHistory, idleStats, lagStats privateMessage, spawn. talk |
| 19:04.11 | ruskie | that's all |
| 19:04.16 | blast007 | hrm |
| 19:11.40 | ts | brlcad: Last weeks I saw no progress in it and in that way I thought there is little progress on it. I did not expect having a "rock solid" editor from GSoC, as it's just thought as a start, like you wrote. However no binaries for top 3 platforms is something that matters for the community. Buidling the working thing is something not supposed to be big trouble. I was just frustrated by the "roadmap" again, where it's not clear what will happen. And yeah, my sentence |
| 19:12.48 | Winny | ts: there was a binary released on the forum.. http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11372 |
| 19:13.01 | Manu | blast007: there is no problem :) |
| 19:13.23 | ts | Winny: Not for all 3 |
| 19:13.36 | Winny | did I say it was for all 3? |
| 19:18.19 | blast007 | ts: I had released a binary for it |
| 19:19.20 | Winny | blast007: look up :) |
| 19:19.25 | blast007 | yeah, got to that |
| 19:20.04 | blast007 | ts: What is the Top 3? Windows, OSX, and...? |
| 19:20.10 | tannerld | linux? |
| 19:20.23 | blast007 | *which* linux? :) |
| 19:20.36 | ts | Hehe |
| 19:20.56 | ts | Gentoo? |
| 19:21.12 | blast007 | I have a feeling that Gentoo people are quite familiar with building |
| 19:23.41 | brlcad | ts: nobody EVER said that there wouldn't be binaries pushed out better when things are ready |
| 19:23.47 | brlcad | you're just not helping by complaining about it |
| 19:24.29 | brlcad | if you want binaries, then help make them -- otherwise you are just not helping |
| 19:25.03 | brlcad | if you can't make binaries for *whatever* reason, whether it's you or whether the code doesn't build cleanly and you can't deal with the build, then just wait |
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| 19:26.02 | brlcad | if it's not "big trouble" as you put it, then contribute proactively (i.e. NOT bitching about things you want) |
| 19:26.52 | ts | I can not do the things I want. I only want some kind of "schedule/roadmap" |
| 19:27.34 | ts | That way I could know no one is busy on the compiling for example |
| 19:28.00 | ts | and try to do then |
| 19:28.01 | brlcad | well, then it sounds like you're not willing/able to contribute so that default action then is Just Wait |
| 19:28.33 | brlcad | our goal isn't to keep you informed for your own self-gratification |
| 19:28.44 | brlcad | we're busy doing other things, contributing |
| 19:28.50 | brlcad | you're being selfish in this instance |
| 19:29.04 | brlcad | if you want to help make a schedule or roadmap, contribute more |
| 19:29.23 | brlcad | help write this thing that you feel you need |
| 19:30.01 | brlcad | I know that no matter what is written on the schedule or on a roadmap, it'll still just happen when it happens |
| 19:30.17 | ts | Oh well, it's not that I want to be treated differently than others. I only think some plan is missing |
| 19:30.25 | brlcad | nobody is paid/forced to be involved, so it'll happen when it happens, and the best you can do is help get it there |
| 19:30.42 | brlcad | a plan could be helpful |
| 19:30.48 | brlcad | a plan could be a complete waste of time |
| 19:31.47 | brlcad | particularly for your motivations, it would be a waste of time as it's just to "keep you (and others) informed" as opposed to anything that actually helps speed up development |
| 19:32.16 | brlcad | now if a schedule actually helped you participate better, that'd potentially be more useful then |
| 19:33.05 | brlcad | I just don't see that happening with you, so it just comes across as rude selfishness (regardless of your intentions or frustrations) |
| 19:33.12 | ruskie | lol what a chew-out (/me ducks) |
| 19:33.38 | brlcad | seriously, there's plenty that folks can do to help us get more work done better |
| 19:33.48 | brlcad | you don't have to be a developer, you don't have to write code |
| 19:35.20 | brlcad | help write documentation, help make news announcements, help organize competitions, help manage the servers, get involved in an aspect more than that of a user waiting for new toys |
| 19:36.41 | brlcad | the less the folks that can write code have to deal with those other matters, the more code can be written, the faster releases will be made, the more there will be to communicate |
| 19:41.41 | JeffM | did Ts just say that bzworkbench was worthless? |
| 19:43.49 | SportChick | brlcad: you rang? |
| 19:45.18 | Winny | is that really sportchick!? |
| 19:49.59 | bryjen | he harangues |
| 19:50.37 | JeffM | that is a long scrollback, but the point is TS, Re the editor, we now have a good cross platform editor framework that many other devs can work on, as oposed to the 3 to 4 seperate projects that people had. It's a great benifit, it's just not a finished pollished product. It was never expected to be, you can't do that in 3 months. |
| 19:51.04 | JeffM | and yeah your complaining is geting really old, really fast. |
| 19:52.22 | bryjen | huh? I've been made an example of? |
| 19:52.28 | JeffM | a good one |
| 19:52.31 | blast007 | :) |
| 19:52.49 | tannerld | lol |
| 19:53.58 | JeffM | as in, just commit the code, if there are small issues in it, the community itself will help find and fix |
| 19:54.37 | bryjen | yes, kiddies, don't do whatever is was i did or you too may not know when you'll have done to you whatever i didn't know they did to me ;) |
| 19:57.19 | JeffM | heh |
| 19:57.34 | JeffM | you are just decently good at trying stuff when we commit it |
| 19:57.52 | JeffM | and there was a talk on the social implications of source controll |
| 19:58.04 | JeffM | so there was talk about "just commit the stuff!!!" |
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| 20:02.51 | bryjen | hmm, would need old clients too :/ |
| 20:07.30 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03bryjen * r16030 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: removed unused variable |
| 20:09.03 | Erroneous | now THAT is one thing git is good at |
| 20:09.08 | Erroneous | speaking of source control |
| 20:09.38 | Erroneous | "git bisect" does a binary search to pinpoint regression commits |
| 20:12.15 | JeffM | we can't swap, we'll all become mindless evangelical zombies |
| 20:14.23 | ruskie | lol |
| 20:17.43 | Erroneous | wasn't advocating a swap |
| 20:17.46 | Erroneous | just pointing it out :) |
| 20:17.52 | JeffM | yet you let it get into your mind |
| 20:17.57 | JeffM | that's how it starts |
| 20:18.20 | JeffM | you have an infection |
| 20:18.23 | JeffM | we have to stop it |
| 20:18.30 | JeffM | I'll get the matches and steel wool |
| 20:18.44 | bryjen | v2.1.14 circa 9/8 does not have the problem |
| 20:19.42 | JeffM | like right before I changed drivethru? |
| 20:20.29 | bryjen | yeah, that's where i chose to start ;) |
| 20:20.39 | JeffM | it's highly likely I busted it |
| 20:20.50 | JeffM | check all the places where the client side tangability manger is called |
| 20:21.00 | JeffM | all the drive thru checks go thru that now |
| 20:21.14 | bryjen | i think it's busted server-side, as the server is placing flags where it should not |
| 20:21.15 | JeffM | there is one place that does the passable test |
| 20:21.21 | JeffM | hmmm |
| 20:21.31 | JeffM | then that'd be the server side tanability manger |
| 20:21.34 | JeffM | same thing |
| 20:21.41 | JeffM | it's all done in those managers |
| 20:21.48 | ts | JeffM: No, i did not |
| 20:21.50 | JeffM | but maybe it needs to have a test reversed |
| 20:21.57 | JeffM | ts, ahh good. |
| 20:22.39 | ts | Only concerns regarding distribution and roadmap. However I guess I better shut up. |
| 20:22.58 | JeffM | distrobution? |
| 20:23.06 | ts | binaries |
| 20:23.07 | JeffM | and since when have we had a roadmap |
| 20:23.14 | JeffM | we distribute when it's done, it's not done |
| 20:23.43 | JeffM | tho the SoC projects are proably the best roadmaped/planed things we have now |
| 20:23.47 | JeffM | thanks to the students. |
| 20:23.51 | JeffM | so yay for them :) |
| 20:26.07 | Winny | ~jude-++ |
| 20:27.57 | JeffM | all of them ++ |
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| 20:30.20 | purple_cow | tanability? |
| 20:30.26 | JeffM | tangability |
| 20:30.33 | Erroneous | tangibility |
| 20:30.42 | JeffM | the possibility of it being turned into orange powder |
| 20:31.01 | brlcad | SportChick: I did? |
| 20:31.03 | JeffM | on the editor front, we had some good words with the blender dude there. |
| 20:31.10 | JeffM | he seemd realy cool |
| 20:31.59 | JeffM | tho the look on thier faces when it was mentiond that gimp had a crap interface because too many people work on it was priceless. |
| 20:32.41 | brlcad | ~lobotomize DTRemenak |
| 20:32.42 | ibot | ACTION jams a rusty screw driver into DTRemenak's head and swirls DTRemenak's brain around |
| 20:32.52 | Erroneous | woohoo |
| 20:33.39 | Erroneous | better a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy! |
| 20:35.29 | JeffM | I think you mean if somone could present it |
| 20:35.38 | JeffM | cus it'd be very easy for noone to present it ;) |
| 20:35.52 | KTL | ok good :) |
| 20:36.25 | JeffM | honestly, you may want to ask tupone,he's all over europe |
| 20:36.38 | JeffM | if you want a developer's standpoint |
| 20:36.48 | JeffM | or saturos if you want a evangelical player ;) |
| 20:36.59 | JeffM | he'll get everyone converted right quick |
| 20:37.11 | KTL | a never met someone like that :D |
| 20:37.15 | JeffM | probably by shoving a 13 year old kid in a carboard tank |
| 20:38.03 | KTL | next fosdem is for 23th and 24th February 2008 |
| 20:38.55 | Winny | I wonder if he still has the cardboard tank |
| 20:41.02 | ts | hehe |
| 20:41.21 | ts | I don't think the one will ever use that tank again ;) |
| 20:42.09 | JeffM | hey blast007 you arround? |
| 20:42.12 | blast007 | yeah |
| 20:42.20 | JeffM | I have a bzbb question |
| 20:42.26 | Winny | no, he's a square! |
| 20:42.31 | JeffM | like one of those "can we change" things |
| 20:42.35 | JeffM | if you've got the time. |
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| 20:42.48 | JeffM | I hope it could be simple |
| 20:43.24 | blast007 | possibly |
| 20:43.35 | JeffM | not to do it, just to talk about it :) |
| 20:43.46 | blast007 | sure |
| 20:43.55 | JeffM | the location field in the table on the left side of each post, dosn't wrap |
| 20:44.10 | blast007 | even if they use spaces? |
| 20:44.11 | JeffM | so if a user puts long text there, it makes that table get wider |
| 20:44.39 | JeffM | take a look at |
| 20:44.40 | JeffM | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=115790#115790 |
| 20:44.45 | JeffM | and the post above it |
| 20:45.09 | JeffM | the avatar section is a lot wider |
| 20:45.54 | Winny | JeffM: no spaces in the location... isn't that was should happen? |
| 20:46.20 | JeffM | I'd like the table to be fixed width |
| 20:46.32 | JeffM | even if it has to break on a word |
| 20:48.00 | JeffM | otherwise I can do this |
| 20:48.00 | JeffM | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11569 |
| 20:48.48 | blast007 | should be a fairly simple fix |
| 20:48.56 | JeffM | k |
| 20:49.25 | Winny | we all like have cake |
| 20:49.25 | Winny | ? :p |
| 20:52.42 | bryjen | ~dict phlebotomist |
| 20:52.59 | bryjen | ~dict phlebotomy |
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| 20:53.32 | bryjen | eeugh |
| 20:53.38 | Erroneous | heh |
| 20:53.47 | JeffM | so realy you want to be trepan? |
| 20:57.40 | trepan | huh? |
| 20:57.51 | JeffM | hole in body that leaks ;) |
| 20:57.59 | Manu | :) |
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| 21:13.37 | Saturos | heh you talked about me |
| 21:13.54 | Saturos | That 13 year old guy is my neighbor and it was his idea to make the tank. :p |
| 21:14.15 | JeffM | heh |
| 21:14.30 | CBG | suuuuree |
| 21:15.01 | Saturos | Did you refer to the green or red one? |
| 21:15.42 | JeffM | just a genearl refrence ;) |
| 21:15.46 | brlcad | JeffM: the guy working on libirc has some questions |
| 21:15.51 | JeffM | k |
| 21:15.53 | JeffM | where? |
| 21:16.01 | brlcad | as to whether we want network-specific features or keep it generic |
| 21:16.09 | brlcad | (like chanserv/nickserv stuff) |
| 21:16.11 | JeffM | I'd rather keep it generic |
| 21:16.16 | brlcad | or add it optional, etc |
| 21:16.18 | JeffM | at least in the base class |
| 21:16.22 | brlcad | he's in #irc |
| 21:17.16 | Saturos | got to sleep, bye folks |
| 21:17.27 | JeffM | see ya |
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| 21:17.31 | brlcad | see ya sat |
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| 22:02.22 | blast007 | JeffM: I made a change to the CSS for the location stuff... let me know if that works okay |
| 22:03.28 | blast007 | JeffM: basically, if it's too long, it'll just chop off any extra |
| 22:15.49 | JeffM | heh, ok, thanks |
| 22:16.00 | JeffM | if it has spaces will it wrap? |
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| 22:31.05 | JeffM | brlcad, thousand parsec have a chanel here? |
| 22:32.49 | brlcad | yeah |
| 22:32.58 | brlcad | #tp |
| 22:33.04 | JeffM | ahh |
| 22:33.07 | JeffM | informative name ;) |
| 22:33.44 | JeffM | while I did make fun of there "game" they were ok guys trying really hard. |
| 22:34.00 | blast007 | JeffM: yeah, it wraps |
| 22:34.10 | JeffM | good enough man, thanks |
| 22:34.15 | JeffM | ibot blast007 ++ |
| 22:36.44 | brlcad | i've already made fun of their toilet paper name |
| 22:37.04 | brlcad | they seem to have a knack for bad names throughout their toolset |
| 22:37.38 | JeffM | that they do |
| 22:39.41 | brlcad | they really just don't get the polish/marketing/public image aspects |
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| 23:07.34 | JeffM | well they have a cool logo |
| 23:07.38 | JeffM | and a cool shirt |
| 23:08.01 | JeffM | what they don't get is the conent side, and what modern gamers expect |
| 23:08.13 | JeffM | I think they'll do fine with the hardcore fans of the genre |
| 23:08.23 | JeffM | but they won't get mainstream people |
| 23:08.39 | JeffM | we have a better change at getting mainstream people |
| 23:08.47 | JeffM | "come see us when you have 1000 users" :) |
| 23:24.54 | blast007 | if I want to build a debian package for RC3, do I use that ./debian/buildsnap script? |
| 23:25.23 | JeffM | I think you just do it from make |
| 23:26.47 | blast007 | how would that generated a .deb? |
| 23:27.27 | JeffM | I thout there was a command you put after make |
| 23:27.38 | JeffM | a switch |
| 23:27.42 | JeffM | I may be wrong |
| 23:27.49 | JeffM | what are the scrips in the dir? |
| 23:27.58 | blast007 | hmm |
| 23:28.37 | blast007 | http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/debian/buildsnap?view=markup |
| 23:29.39 | JeffM | make debian-svn |
| 23:29.48 | JeffM | it calls buildsnap |
| 23:29.51 | JeffM | and other things |
| 23:29.53 | blast007 | ah |
| 23:30.05 | JeffM | there is also debian-release' |
| 23:30.11 | JeffM | but I think that needs tims magic key |
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| 23:31.30 | blast007 | there's two modes for the buildsnap script |
| 23:31.52 | blast007 | svn and release, release needing a changelog |
| 23:32.15 | blast007 | which it seems to use to get the version |
| 23:33.37 | JeffM | I belive I always did the svn one and it worked out |
| 23:33.45 | blast007 | k |
| 23:33.47 | JeffM | or CVS one whenI did it |
| 23:39.14 | blast007 | heh, keep finding new packages this debian script needs ;) |
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| 23:44.22 | bryjen | ok, so the client was not driving through things before mid september because it wasn't hooked into the tangibility stuff yet |
| 23:44.41 | bryjen | i think it's been broken server-side since it was put in |
| 23:44.56 | JeffM | whoot |
| 23:45.10 | JeffM | have to check out the spawn code, maybe I got an if test backwards |
| 23:46.07 | blast007 | spawns were broken before that anyway |
| 23:46.22 | JeffM | in what way? |
| 23:46.23 | blast007 | -fb and -sb didn't work |
| 23:46.53 | blast007 | on metropolis (z=0 not exposed) it would always airspawn |
| 23:47.05 | blast007 | and no flags could spawn |
| 23:47.25 | JeffM | I've got to wait for a backup, let me look |
| 23:50.44 | bryjen | somewhere in between 14907 and 14921, flags start appearing beneath the "ground" mesh on louman's camelot map |
| 23:50.55 | JeffM | I think I know what it is |
| 23:51.07 | JeffM | double negitives |
| 23:52.31 | JeffM | I think isValidLanding is backwards |
| 23:53.22 | JeffM | or one of those functions |
