| 00:03.33 | eTangenT | jude! |
| 00:03.35 | eTangenT | :D |
| 00:04.04 | jude- | hello eTangenT :) |
| 00:04.18 | eTangenT | so I haven't been updating you guys on uni yet |
| 00:04.26 | jude- | how's it going for you? |
| 00:04.35 | eTangenT | I'm in Foundations of Programming, C programming, and CS seminar for freshmen |
| 00:04.46 | eTangenT | the teacher for Foundations and C is completely stupid |
| 00:04.55 | eTangenT | and I have learned more by glancing at the textbooks |
| 00:04.58 | jude- | same instructor for both classes? |
| 00:05.01 | eTangenT | yes |
| 00:05.07 | jude- | heh |
| 00:05.12 | jude- | stupid, how? |
| 00:05.36 | eTangenT | we can't use just ANYTHING we know |
| 00:05.50 | eTangenT | if we know a better way to do something, they don't care, you'll get marked down if you don't do it EXACTLY as they say |
| 00:05.55 | eTangenT | and they teach you bad coding |
| 00:05.59 | jude- | pathetic |
| 00:06.00 | eTangenT | here's the homework I did today: http://www.cs.colostate.edu/~cs156/HW2.html |
| 00:06.17 | eTangenT | now, it's fine, except I must use 2 for's, 2 while's, and 2 do-while's |
| 00:06.29 | eTangenT | why we have to use do-whiles is completely stupid... they make no sense there. |
| 00:07.06 | jude- | did the prof say *exactly* how to use the for's, while's, and do-while's ? |
| 00:07.23 | eTangenT | jude-: Nope. She simply told us we might use the continue statement. |
| 00:07.42 | jude- | heh--just put some crap functions executing useless loops if need be :) |
| 00:08.10 | eTangenT | The other day in the Java class (foundations), we were told to copy/paste some code 15 times, and change which character it looks up |
| 00:08.16 | eTangenT | and I got yelled at for using a for loop instead :-\ |
| 00:08.24 | Winny | :/ |
| 00:08.26 | jude- | sad |
| 00:08.35 | jude- | that goes away in higher classes |
| 00:08.44 | eTangenT | Hopefully |
| 00:09.09 | Winny | even in grade 10 programming they told us to use loops insted :? |
| 00:09.13 | jude- | here's something I should be working on right now: http://www.cs.arizona.edu/classes/cs345/fall07/prog2.pdf, if you're interested |
| 00:10.14 | eTangenT | Fun |
| 00:10.24 | eTangenT | I also have a 4 page essay due in Sociology on Thursday |
| 00:10.30 | jude- | still annoying because the interfaces and classes are pre-defined, but the contents of the classes are up to us |
| 00:10.40 | jude- | eTangenT: fun |
| 00:10.54 | jude- | the coordinator of the local LUG is a Sociology grad student |
| 00:11.07 | eTangenT | :D |
| 00:11.45 | jude- | if he were here, he'd probably say "4 pages? That's not too bad--make the font bigger" |
| 00:12.19 | jude- | "Sociology is usually pretty useless beyond the BA degree" |
| 00:13.15 | jude- | (although his next master thesis is on how GNU/Linux software development preempted the Modernist and post-modernist era, which I'm looking foreward to reading :) |
| 00:13.34 | eTangenT | jude-: They check font size. |
| 00:13.39 | eTangenT | Has to be 12pt Times New Roman |
| 00:13.48 | eTangenT | Double spaced, of course |
| 00:13.50 | jude- | lol |
| 00:13.56 | eTangenT | 4 pages isn't that bad, I guess |
| 00:14.03 | jude- | make the margins big :) |
| 00:14.05 | eTangenT | I did write a 13 page paper sophomore year of highschool |
| 00:14.07 | eTangenT | HAHAHA |
| 00:14.10 | eTangenT | I could do that |
| 00:14.14 | eTangenT | they never specified margin size |
| 00:14.21 | jude- | 3" on all sides at least :) |
| 00:14.21 | Macrosoft | eTangenT: my computer sci. class was like that. you have to write the code the way they tell you |
| 00:15.01 | Macrosoft | its just to make you familiar with the language |
| 00:15.21 | eTangenT | Macrosoft: If they do that, they should at LEAST teach good coding habits |
| 00:15.45 | eTangenT | I'll be back later |
| 00:16.14 | donny_baker | eTangenT: they don't know good coding habits, that is why they teach |
| 00:16.15 | Macrosoft | ok |
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| 00:16.53 | jude- | I like this line in my assignment: No doubt you played the demo version of the game and found that the |
| 00:16.56 | jude- | computer players make attacks that, rather than being evocative of Sun Tzu’s classic “The Art of War,” |
| 00:16.59 | jude- | reminded you more of “Zapp Brannigan’s Big Book of War.” |
| 00:17.16 | Macrosoft | i wished i had taken it ealrier, they dont start c++ until the second year. i got stuck with BASIC |
| 00:17.28 | Macrosoft | BASIC sucketh |
| 00:17.28 | jude- | BASIC ?!? |
| 00:17.35 | jude- | CLEP out of it! |
| 00:17.50 | jude- | BASIC turns good programmers into script kiddies |
| 00:17.58 | blast007 | geez, what next? gonna use logo too? |
| 00:18.10 | jude- | eeek |
| 00:18.13 | Macrosoft | the comp sci 2 kids got to learn c++, i was pissed |
| 00:18.43 | blast007 | Lego Logo, but still logo ;) |
| 00:18.46 | Macrosoft | but its ok, cuz we found that the server in that room was loaded with snes roms ;) |
| 00:19.07 | Macrosoft | we copied them to most of the comps as a backup |
| 00:20.02 | Macrosoft | ...the computers sucked too. it was a mix of win95 and win98 comps |
| 00:20.24 | jude- | painful |
| 00:20.27 | Macrosoft | on pentium I's with little ram |
| 00:20.29 | jude- | *pitiful |
| 00:20.35 | jude- | turn them into thin-clients |
| 00:20.47 | Macrosoft | ...and no interweb connection |
| 00:20.57 | jude- | that can change |
| 00:22.00 | Macrosoft | the best part is, at the very _end_ of the year (i wasnt going to be there anymore) they replaced them with nice comps and added internet connection |
| 00:23.52 | jude- | lol |
| 00:24.15 | eTangenT | we have some nice workstations here |
| 00:24.21 | eTangenT | our whole campus is Linux-friendly |
| 00:24.36 | eTangenT | all the computer labs for CS (except one) are either Linux or Solaris |
| 00:24.51 | jude- | we're mixed-environment herer |
| 00:24.53 | jude- | *here |
| 00:24.56 | eTangenT | we do all our work, naturally, on Linux machines |
| 00:25.00 | jude- | WinXP (not vista), Fedora, FreeBSD, Solaris |
| 00:25.08 | eTangenT | so there's a lot of people using Linux now |
| 00:25.17 | eTangenT | hah, I know of one school computer with Vista on it |
| 00:25.21 | jude- | same here--we ssh into the CS's main linux server to turn in homewrk |
| 00:25.28 | eTangenT | it's in the Physiology computer lab, where I may be getting a job. |
| 00:25.46 | jude- | preceptorship? |
| 00:25.48 | eTangenT | ? |
| 00:26.01 | eTangenT | support for the student doing projects |
| 00:26.14 | eTangenT | it's a lab where only certain authorized students, and staff can go |
| 00:26.19 | jude- | ahh |
| 00:26.35 | jude- | a preceptorship is like being a TA, but you don't give a separate grade to your students |
| 00:26.50 | eTangenT | and I basically get to help people use computers, projectors, cameras, etc |
| 00:27.02 | eTangenT | but I find out for sure on Monday |
| 00:27.15 | jude- | so...it's like being a technician or a lab assistant? |
| 00:27.23 | eTangenT | pretty much |
| 00:27.28 | jude- | does it pay well enough? |
| 00:27.29 | eTangenT | I get to camp out in there till someone shows up |
| 00:27.36 | eTangenT | about $12 an hour |
| 00:27.39 | eTangenT | $4 more than my AMF job |
| 00:27.40 | jude- | sounds like my office hours :) |
| 00:27.44 | jude- | nice |
| 00:28.01 | eTangenT | are you a grad student? or undergrad? |
| 00:28.05 | jude- | undergrad |
| 00:28.08 | jude- | sophomore |
| 00:28.12 | eTangenT | neat |
| 00:28.43 | jude- | the CS department has a relatively large preceptorship program to employ the top CS students to assist the lower-division CS profs |
| 00:29.01 | eTangenT | idunno how that is here |
| 00:29.14 | eTangenT | AHHH discrete math |
| 00:29.20 | jude- | funfunfun |
| 00:30.30 | jude- | heh--I get to grade prolog assignments this weekend xP |
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| 01:35.24 | djlawler | any admins for Viger here? |
| 01:35.28 | djlawler | nviper |
| 01:35.31 | djlawler | lol |
| 01:35.40 | djlawler | bzflag disease |
| 01:36.10 | djlawler | there are no admins around but someone changed the shot length to be very very short |
| 01:37.20 | jude- | djlawler: try asking from within the game itself |
| 01:37.26 | djlawler | ok |
| 01:37.28 | djlawler | thanks |
| 01:37.31 | jude- | np :) |
| 01:37.41 | blast007 | djlawler: there was likely just a cheater |
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| 01:37.51 | djlawler | ah |
| 01:38.07 | djlawler | blast: a cheater can change server variables? |
| 01:38.17 | blast007 | they weren't changing the variables |
| 01:38.21 | djlawler | or theri cheat has that effect? |
| 01:38.22 | blast007 | they were exploiting other flaws |
| 01:38.27 | djlawler | oh |
| 01:38.43 | djlawler | darn i should have made a note of who joined |
| 01:38.58 | djlawler | oh well - thanks |
| 01:39.12 | djlawler | ciao |
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| 02:50.24 | Macrosoft | does matref work on teleporters? i want different teles to have different textures |
| 02:50.48 | Macrosoft | so LinkMaterial isnt an option |
| 02:51.43 | a_temp_dist | can you fake it? use a transp LinkMaterial and put another meshface in front? |
| 02:51.59 | Macrosoft | sure, that'll work |
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| 03:12.20 | Macrosoft | do '*' and '?' do the same thing in a link? |
| 03:16.03 | a_temp_dist | you have a wildcard in a link URL ? |
| 03:17.09 | Pumpernickel | http doesn't do wildcards... o_O |
| 03:17.14 | Macrosoft | teleporter link |
| 03:17.37 | a_temp_dist | "link" meaning the path to the image? |
| 03:18.13 | Macrosoft | "link" meaning the link between two teleporters in a map |
| 03:18.33 | a_temp_dist | oh I see - random links |
| 03:22.09 | Macrosoft | will host a beta as soon as i can |
| 03:23.25 | jude- | Macrosoft: matref doesn't work on teleporters |
| 03:23.35 | Macrosoft | ok |
| 03:23.50 | jude- | I'm pretty sure * and ? do the same things |
| 03:24.08 | jude- | but * is definitely a wildcard (i.e. random teleporter) |
| 03:24.56 | jude- | actually, you can change the material of the portal IIRC, but not the frame material |
| 03:25.56 | jude- | wait--nm, that's not possible |
| 03:26.29 | blast007 | no, there is a material for the teleporter surface |
| 03:26.59 | blast007 | LinkMaterial |
| 03:27.14 | a_temp_dist | "but not the frame material" |
| 03:27.22 | blast007 | use that as a material name |
| 03:27.32 | blast007 | a_temp_dist: right, but he already said that as a negative |
| 03:27.38 | a_temp_dist | heh |
| 03:28.01 | blast007 | you could turn off the teleporter border, and make your own out of a mesh |
| 03:29.34 | jude- | I see |
| 03:32.33 | blast007 | that's what happens when you type messages while dodging missiles |
| 03:41.11 | Macrosoft | *wipes face* whew, its done |
| 03:50.30 | Macrosoft | is there a way to turn off that yellow glow when going through teleporters? |
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| 03:53.29 | jude- | Macrosoft: modify the source? |
| 03:53.55 | Macrosoft | no, i need to disable it for all players |
| 03:54.25 | jude- | heh |
| 03:54.28 | jude- | dunno then :/ |
| 03:54.34 | Macrosoft | :/ |
| 03:56.53 | Macrosoft | map is up-> mdk0.servegame.com:5156 |
| 04:00.00 | blast007 | can't afaik then |
| 04:00.15 | blast007 | might be tied to some bzdb variable, but it wouldn't be just for that |
| 04:04.15 | Macrosoft | this place would be worse with lasers >:) |
| 04:04.30 | jude- | that would be just evil |
| 04:04.55 | Macrosoft | the stratehy here is: shoot, jump, repeat |
| 04:05.01 | Macrosoft | *strategy |
| 04:05.38 | Macrosoft | GM might be interesting |
| 04:06.02 | a_temp_dist | no way to lock |
| 04:06.11 | Macrosoft | you can lock |
| 04:06.18 | Macrosoft | but it wont hit |
| 04:06.31 | a_temp_dist | Laser! |
| 04:06.40 | Macrosoft | tis madness |
| 04:06.56 | a_temp_dist | as advertised |
| 04:06.58 | Macrosoft | laser would be catastrophic |
| 04:07.07 | Macrosoft | !sparta |
| 04:07.53 | Macrosoft | this place need steamroller |
| 04:08.06 | Macrosoft | suprise death! |
| 04:08.42 | Macrosoft | super bullets dont teleport, do they? |
| 04:09.14 | a_temp_dist | find out |
| 04:09.47 | Macrosoft | nvm, they enemy could easily dodge it; they have teleporters |
| 04:12.36 | Macrosoft | if only the horizontal teleporters worked, it would be great |
| 04:12.54 | Macrosoft | ...i'll work on it tomorrow |
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| 05:02.31 | JeffM | and come to think of it, DTRemenak|RDP I thik the pizza got him |
| 05:03.04 | blast007 | I think I'll disregard udict's definition of toasted... "to be very high from smoking marijuana" |
| 05:03.41 | JeffM | heh |
| 05:03.46 | JeffM | there is much booze |
| 05:03.53 | JeffM | I think I see him |
| 05:03.58 | JeffM | and the hooded one |
| 05:04.02 | blast007 | :) |
| 05:04.13 | JeffM | but I'd have to stand up to go over there |
| 05:04.28 | blast007 | JeffM: so far I'm really good at making my OpenAL test application crash |
| 05:04.35 | JeffM | heh |
| 05:04.38 | JeffM | how do you like the API? |
| 05:04.57 | blast007 | I'd like it better if I could actually get a good debug on it |
| 05:05.07 | JeffM | it won't crash in the debuger? |
| 05:05.17 | blast007 | oh it crashes, it just doesn't give me anything useful |
| 05:05.26 | JeffM | what OS? |
| 05:05.50 | blast007 | Windows |
| 05:05.53 | blast007 | VC7 |
| 05:05.54 | blast007 | http://static.bzexcess.com/OpenALFramework/CrashError.txt |
| 05:06.09 | JeffM | in system? |
| 05:06.16 | JeffM | odd |
| 05:06.35 | JeffM | what is the callstack |
| 05:06.37 | blast007 | it's done that with both their SDK package, and a self-built lib in debug |
| 05:07.47 | JeffM | what card do you have? |
| 05:08.09 | blast007 | pretty much nothing for a callback |
| 05:08.14 | JeffM | odd |
| 05:08.18 | blast007 | it's just some crappy onboard SoundMax chipset |
| 05:08.43 | JeffM | current directX? |
| 05:09.01 | blast007 | 9.0c |
| 05:09.12 | blast007 | works in their test apps |
| 05:09.18 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:09.31 | blast007 | the device in their enumeration comes up as Generic Software |
| 05:09.40 | JeffM | odd |
| 05:13.07 | JeffM | ok so maybe I'm a lottle more drunk then I thought |
| 05:15.36 | JeffM | tho oddly we are atalking to a sound guy now |
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| 05:34.02 | JeffM | manu where are you? |
| 05:34.10 | JeffM | like what city in spain |
| 05:34.18 | JeffM | and who wants to play decks to show this stuff off? |
| 05:34.25 | JeffM | we are doing a demo before I pass out |
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| 10:39.42 | Skeeve | Hi! Can anyone tell me how to see my current speed? |
| 10:41.36 | Skeeve | Hmmm... Is anyone around? I'm using a new client and everything seems so quiet here. |
| 10:43.17 | Tupone | current speed of what? |
| 11:03.41 | Skeeve | The current speed of my tank. I'd like to see how fast (in Percent) it is |
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| 11:05.30 | KTL | skeeve, just look at the distance of your mouse from the center box in your screen |
| 11:05.36 | KTL | if it is in the small box then 0 speed |
| 11:05.40 | Skeeve | I use a joystick |
| 11:05.45 | KTL | aw |
| 11:05.55 | KTL | and a joystick does not show a cursor? |
| 11:06.21 | Skeeve | Jep. No cursor |
| 11:06.30 | KTL | without a cursor ... how can you target ... painfull |
| 11:07.05 | Skeeve | hmmm... The center box is your targeting device not the mouse pointer. |
| 11:29.14 | KTL | i play by following my mousecursor which is allready targetted to my intented target, you got to play by concentrating on the center of your screen, sounds tricky |
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| 14:01.41 | The_Gordon_vega | hi all |
| 14:02.08 | tannerld | hello |
| 14:02.39 | The_Gordon_vega | sorry guy , i recently banned for endshot |
| 14:03.00 | The_Gordon_vega | where ca i find information for this ban? |
| 14:03.12 | tannerld | contact the server owner |
| 14:03.34 | tannerld | planet mofo and norang have irc channels (some others may, but those are the only ones I know) |
| 14:04.10 | The_Gordon_vega | the server is the castel |
| 14:04.23 | JeffM | who banned you? |
| 14:04.55 | The_Gordon_vega | ummm, |
| 14:05.02 | The_Gordon_vega | ares? |
| 14:05.07 | The_Gordon_vega | is possible? |
| 14:05.17 | The_Gordon_vega | aero |
| 14:05.20 | JeffM | we have no way of knowing |
| 14:05.28 | JeffM | it'll say who banned you when you try to connect |
| 14:05.36 | The_Gordon_vega | ok try |
| 14:05.37 | JeffM | basicly servers are run independently |
| 14:05.45 | The_Gordon_vega | i know |
| 14:05.59 | The_Gordon_vega | but wat is the end shot ? |
| 14:06.06 | The_Gordon_vega | endshot ban |
| 14:06.08 | blast007 | cheating |
| 14:06.11 | JeffM | yeah |
| 14:06.14 | The_Gordon_vega | cheat? |
| 14:06.17 | The_Gordon_vega | argh |
| 14:06.28 | The_Gordon_vega | i compile the new version from source |
| 14:06.30 | JeffM | that's when the client sends out messages that end shots sooner then they should |
| 14:06.43 | JeffM | that message is just what the admin thought it was |
| 14:06.49 | JeffM | it's not automaticly detected or anything |
| 14:07.00 | JeffM | you may just have high packetloss and that can look like some types of cheats |
| 14:07.18 | The_Gordon_vega | recently i use wifi connection |
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| 14:07.32 | JeffM | then there is the reason for your packetloss |
| 14:07.32 | The_Gordon_vega | (thanks to aircrack =) ) |
| 14:07.43 | The_Gordon_vega | umm , i know.. |
| 14:07.48 | JeffM | please do not discuss illegal things here. |
| 14:07.56 | JeffM | how you get your net is your biz |
| 14:07.56 | The_Gordon_vega | oksure |
| 14:08.44 | The_Gordon_vega | thanks guys, |
| 14:08.55 | blast007 | np |
| 14:09.18 | The_Gordon_vega | try to speak with admin |
| 14:09.44 | JeffM | it'll happen again on other serves if you can't fix your net problems |
| 14:11.03 | The_Gordon_vega | thank JeffM, but at least can't fix my lag.... |
| 14:11.12 | JeffM | it's generaly not lag |
| 14:11.13 | The_Gordon_vega | :-( |
| 14:11.14 | JeffM | it's packetloss |
| 14:11.42 | The_Gordon_vega | with this connection can't play... |
| 14:11.52 | The_Gordon_vega | ok |
| 14:11.55 | The_Gordon_vega | must go |
| 14:11.58 | The_Gordon_vega | bye all |
| 14:12.15 | The_Gordon_vega | thank you guys.. |
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| 14:19.03 | JeffM | how went the openAL stuff blast007 ? |
| 14:19.34 | blast007 | still mucking with it |
| 14:20.35 | blast007 | their docs aren't the greatest |
| 14:22.33 | blast007 | I don't see other code generating a device or context :/ |
| 14:22.37 | blast007 | ex: http://www.edenwaith.com/products/pige/src/openal.cpp |
| 14:22.48 | blast007 | ah, that calls alutInit |
| 14:23.17 | JeffM | alut is a framework IIRC |
| 14:24.04 | blast007 | I really *love* the include files for OpenAL too |
| 14:24.20 | JeffM | what is it called? |
| 14:24.23 | blast007 | on linux, they're under the includes directory under an AL/ directory |
| 14:24.53 | JeffM | ok, like openGL |
| 14:25.02 | blast007 | on windows using their SDK pack, the main OpenAL files are just inside the include, while the freealut are under AL/, and on MacOS, they're under OpenAL/ |
| 14:25.22 | JeffM | so they screwed up windows |
| 14:25.23 | JeffM | that sucks |
| 14:25.36 | JeffM | the mac one makes sense cus it's like apple openGL |
| 14:25.52 | blast007 | k |
| 14:25.54 | JeffM | well sounds like we'd need an OpenAL.h to do the #defs like we do for GL |
| 14:25.56 | JeffM | not too horible |
| 14:27.38 | blast007 | alut doesn't even seem to be that useful |
| 14:27.50 | JeffM | it's probably inteneted to be like glut |
| 14:28.01 | JeffM | does a number of common things, in the most common way |
| 14:28.08 | JeffM | but in the end it just calls the base API for you |
| 14:28.24 | blast007 | all the examples I've seen use alutLoadWAVFile, which is deprecated ;) |
| 14:28.31 | JeffM | ouch |
| 14:41.41 | JeffM | how is openAL tied to creative labs? |
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| 14:49.25 | blast007 | "but it is now hosted (and largely developed) by Creative Technology with on-going support from Apple and free software/open source enthusiasts." |
| 14:51.02 | JeffM | what worried me whas the license they have before you download it |
| 14:51.07 | JeffM | it did not look gplish |
| 14:52.49 | JeffM | "CREATIVE END-USER SOFTWARE LICENSE AGREEMENT " |
| 14:54.01 | blast007 | hmm |
| 14:55.26 | blast007 | in the source, they have a COPYING file: "GNU LIBRARY GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE" |
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| 14:59.44 | blast007 | JeffM: so I'm not really sure on the licensing... |
| 15:03.10 | JeffM | odd |
| 15:05.28 | JeffM | I wonder if it'd be good to wrap openAL in a wraper |
| 15:05.34 | JeffM | in case we want to swap it out on platforms later |
| 15:05.49 | blast007 | JeffM: that's sorta my goal |
| 15:06.00 | JeffM | I've got a lightweight sound manager that current wraps fmod and sdlmixer |
| 15:06.05 | JeffM | if you want to take a look at that |
| 15:06.08 | blast007 | ah |
| 15:06.11 | blast007 | sure |
| 15:06.14 | JeffM | does streaming music, and 3d postioning, etc.. |
| 15:06.21 | JeffM | I think it's part of GPx |
| 15:06.25 | JeffM | let me look |
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| 15:07.55 | JeffM | yeah, audio.cpp and h |
| 15:08.31 | blast007 | Find all "GNU", Subfolders, Find Results 1, "C:\Program Files\OpenAL 1.1 SDK", "*.*" |
| 15:08.34 | blast007 | Total found: 0 Matching files: 0 Total files searched: 102 |
| 15:08.37 | blast007 | >.< |
| 15:09.02 | JeffM | and it installs one of 2 sound backends |
| 15:09.28 | JeffM | it should not be hard to make it use an open AL back end too |
| 15:09.50 | JeffM | brlcad, so I should turn up my sterio louder? |
| 15:10.04 | brlcad | heh, is that you? |
| 15:10.11 | JeffM | yeah |
| 15:10.32 | brlcad | sounds like a tv |
| 15:11.09 | JeffM | I haven't ever turned the TV on here |
| 15:13.43 | JeffM | come get the toothpaste whenever you need it |
| 15:17.40 | brlcad | heh, thx |
| 15:19.03 | JeffM | do you know when and where breakfast is? |
| 15:20.37 | JeffM | blast007, if you want to you can send me your sample code and I can look at it |
| 15:20.43 | JeffM | I have openAL going now |
| 15:22.16 | blast007 | the one that went all crashy crashy? |
| 15:22.40 | blast007 | http://static.bzexcess.com/OpenALFramework/ the cxx file is in there |
| 15:27.46 | JeffM | is it a console app? or a win32 one? |
| 15:29.44 | blast007 | console |
| 15:29.57 | blast007 | I just used an empty project |
| 15:30.20 | JeffM | k |
| 15:30.34 | JeffM | and link in oOpenAL32.lib ? |
| 15:31.05 | blast007 | yeah |
| 15:31.26 | JeffM | wow that is wierd |
| 15:31.33 | blast007 | openal32.lib alut.lib (alut might not be needed until I use any functions from alut) |
| 15:31.34 | JeffM | it dosn't die in the debuger |
| 15:31.42 | JeffM | it just logsit |
| 15:31.42 | Manu | JeffM, you were asking for me.. :) |
| 15:31.56 | JeffM | Manu, it came up asking where in spain you were |
| 15:32.01 | JeffM | but I dug it up :) |
| 15:32.01 | Manu | ah |
| 15:32.13 | Manu | I'm in Trujillo, Extremadura :) |
| 15:32.30 | JeffM | blast007, what was odd was when you were saying it was crashing, we were talking to a guy who does audio tools |
| 15:32.53 | JeffM | blast007, and I assume you didn't build your own openAL |
| 15:33.19 | JeffM | ok, well something isn't set right, cus it's reading uninited memory |
| 15:34.28 | JeffM | hmm source package hasn't been updated since feb 2006 |
| 15:35.14 | blast007 | JeffM: I tried both ways... even building OpenAL debug |
| 15:35.26 | blast007 | using their SVN trunk |
| 15:35.30 | JeffM | hmm |
| 15:35.43 | blast007 | I don't like their build system ;) |
| 15:35.49 | blast007 | part of it uses CMake |
| 15:35.59 | JeffM | ahh |
| 15:36.06 | JeffM | well I get an error |
| 15:36.21 | JeffM | 40963 |
| 15:37.16 | blast007 | ALC_INVALID_ENUM |
| 15:37.39 | blast007 | hmm, or AL_INVALID_VALUE |
| 15:38.08 | JeffM | the first chance exception happens in alGenBuffers |
| 15:38.19 | JeffM | who inits Buffers? |
| 15:39.15 | blast007 | "The buffer array isn't large enough to hold the number of buffers requested." |
| 15:39.18 | JeffM | if I init Buffers to NULL, it works better |
| 15:39.25 | blast007 | k |
| 15:39.29 | JeffM | maybe it thinks it's a pre-inited buffer |
| 15:39.40 | JeffM | tho I get the same error |
| 15:39.53 | JeffM | but I'm guessing you have to allocate the buffer |
| 15:41.04 | JeffM | if I init buffers to Buffers = (ALuint*)malloc(1024); |
| 15:41.11 | JeffM | then it does NOT get the error |
| 15:41.21 | JeffM | where are the docs for alGenBuffers? |
| 15:41.21 | blast007 | hrm |
| 15:41.27 | blast007 | they don't mention that |
| 15:41.41 | JeffM | the programers guide? |
| 15:41.45 | blast007 | OpenAL Programmer's Guide |
| 15:42.09 | JeffM | ok I see |
| 15:42.10 | blast007 | I was basing this off some example code they had in their document |
| 15:42.14 | JeffM | open the page for alGenBuffers |
| 15:42.24 | blast007 | apparently not a very good example ;) |
| 15:42.33 | JeffM | the Buffers pointer is "an array of pointers that will hold the pointers to buffers |
| 15:42.35 | JeffM | so it's a handle |
| 15:44.46 | JeffM | in your constructor add this |
| 15:44.47 | JeffM | Buffers = (ALuint*)malloc(sizeof(ALuint)*numBuffers); |
| 15:44.53 | JeffM | after you set the number of buffers |
| 15:45.05 | JeffM | then free it in the destructor |
| 15:45.09 | JeffM | what sample was it? |
| 15:46.12 | blast007 | page 10 |
| 15:47.07 | JeffM | they don't show all the code |
| 15:47.11 | blast007 | right |
| 15:47.14 | JeffM | I'm betting g_buffers is a static array |
| 15:47.20 | JeffM | of NUM_BUFFERS size |
| 15:47.25 | blast007 | hmm, probably |
| 15:47.27 | JeffM | so it's all fixed size |
| 15:47.46 | brlcad | hm, what time do we need to wander to the car/lobby/checkout? |
| 15:48.03 | brlcad | heh |
| 15:48.15 | brlcad | having fun with that blast007 ? :) |
| 15:48.27 | blast007 | I guess ;) |
| 15:49.13 | JeffM | I was going to go load my stuff in the car now |
| 15:49.24 | JeffM | do we know when/where breakfast is? or did we miss it |
| 15:49.41 | JeffM | my door is open, so grab the toothpaste if you need, it's on the sink counter |
| 15:50.12 | JeffM | I think daniel's in his shower still |
| 15:50.30 | JeffM | car dosn't have to be back till noon |
| 15:53.08 | JeffM | looks like there is breakfast downstairs in the bar |
| 15:53.10 | JeffM | wanna go? |
| 16:00.12 | JeffM | blast007, oddly in the other samples it looks like they only do 1 buffer |
| 16:00.18 | JeffM | so they just pass in the address of an int |
| 16:04.54 | brlcad | ah, then i'm probably running slow ... |
| 16:05.20 | brlcad | I'd grabbed something, but i've not packed/showered/dressed/anything yet |
| 16:09.19 | JeffM | mmmmm eggs |
| 16:21.51 | JeffM | man can dtr pack away the food |
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| 16:42.54 | blast007 | wee, got something working |
| 16:43.05 | tannerld | huzzah |
| 16:43.17 | blast007 | now I just have to figure out the the audio channels are reversed |
| 16:43.21 | blast007 | why the* |
| 16:44.42 | JeffM | are your speakes pluged in backwards? |
| 16:47.19 | blast007 | quite possible, RCA jacks |
| 16:48.06 | blast007 | nope, does it with headphones too, on another system |
| 16:48.31 | JeffM | you playing 2d sounds? or doing 3d postioning? |
| 16:48.37 | blast007 | 3D |
| 16:48.49 | JeffM | you sure you got the viewer direction right? |
| 16:50.01 | blast007 | heck no ;) |
| 16:50.43 | blast007 | I have a new OpenALFramework.cxx http://static.bzexcess.com/OpenALFramework/ |
| 16:51.06 | blast007 | based it off this: http://www.edenwaith.com/products/pige/src/openal.cpp |
| 16:51.56 | JeffM | ewwww glut |
| 16:52.19 | blast007 | heh |
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| 16:57.53 | JeffM | where is the wav? |
| 16:58.22 | blast007 | oh |
| 16:58.54 | blast007 | http://static.bzexcess.com/OpenALFramework/test.wav |
| 16:59.16 | Winny | whoa, whats that for? |
| 17:00.33 | blast007 | Winny: testing OpenAL |
| 17:00.42 | Winny | oh |
| 17:00.55 | blast007 | (for possible use in BZ) |
| 17:01.23 | blast007 | then we could have hardware accelerated 3D audio |
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| 17:31.21 | brlcad | ~blast007++ |
| 17:31.30 | blast007 | hmm? |
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| 17:42.29 | JeffMFishBone | anyone here still running OSX 10.3? |
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| 17:52.09 | JeffMFishBone | so your on 10.4? |
| 17:53.35 | ts | yep |
| 17:53.41 | ts | All my boxes are |
| 17:53.58 | JeffMFishBone | seems that universals can only be 10.4 |
| 17:54.08 | ts | JeffMFishBone: No |
| 17:54.15 | ts | They are two binaries |
| 17:54.37 | ts | One binary for 10.3 PPC for example, one for 10.4 X86 |
| 17:54.56 | brlcad | talking about linking against the 10.3 sdk |
| 17:55.05 | brlcad | there is not a universal 10.3 sdk |
| 17:55.42 | ts | Aaah, I wrote about the building on different machines and then "lipoing" them together |
| 17:55.43 | brlcad | at least, I don't have one installed here, maybe I'm missing that uni sdk |
| 17:56.16 | ts | I only have the 10.4 universal SDK, too |
| 17:56.31 | delusional_ | 10.5 is due out any day now. All thy are saying is "october" |
| 17:56.49 | ts | delusional_: 10.5 is not for usage till next year. |
| 17:56.54 | tannerld | delusional_: 26th |
| 17:56.55 | ts | It's a joke right now |
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| 17:57.49 | brlcad | well we can do a 10.4 rc3 and see how big a whine comes of it |
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| 18:03.27 | delusional_ | My RC2 build is running fine, compiled intel only. I've mildly tested bzflag, bzfs with some 3rd party plugins, and bzadmin |
| 18:04.13 | delusional_ | none of the framerate jitter in my older 2.0.9 build |
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| 18:09.22 | delusional_ | also, the intermittent server crashes on bzfscron join (pseudo-player) appear to have been solved in since RC1, I don't know if there is any reason why this happened, perhaps just a happy accident. |
| 18:10.17 | JeffMFishBone | a couple server crashes were found |
| 18:11.46 | delusional_ | we're gonna add it to a mapchange server, that will be the acid test, for me. |
| 18:43.48 | Winny | ~blast007++ |
| 18:47.30 | JeffMFishBone | blast007, did you get your left/right thing worked ouy? |
| 18:47.56 | blast007 | well, it works now, not sure if it's "right" :) |
| 18:48.07 | blast007 | I played with the listener orientation a bit |
| 18:48.39 | JeffMFishBone | add a -1 somewhere? ;) |
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| 19:18.41 | RedBaron3 | lol |
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| 21:14.52 | Winny | Poll: is anyone in here looking for a server (for BZFS), and if so, would you be willing to pay 10-20$ a month for one? |
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| 22:36.49 | Winny | does anyone in here know how much a color facility might charge a month to hold a 3U server? |
| 22:36.54 | Winny | err, colo |
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| 22:49.38 | Constitution | probably much more than a 1U server |
| 22:50.47 | Winny | your powers of deduction amaze me :p |
| 22:51.08 | a_meteorite | Winny: some charge the same price even, like "up to" a certain amount of U's |
| 22:51.21 | a_meteorite | others charge per U, it just depends |
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| 22:52.37 | Constitution | :) |
| 22:52.44 | Winny | you really should call your ISP |
| 22:53.09 | Constitution | I'm moving this week anyway |
| 22:53.23 | Winny | :O |
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| 23:37.04 | Macrosoft | 行極! |
| 23:37.28 | Winny | ehh |
| 23:38.30 | Macrosoft | heh, it translates incorrectly |
| 23:39.09 | Macrosoft | it should be "go extreme!", but babelfish thinks it says "line extremly!" |
| 23:39.19 | Macrosoft | *extremely |
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| 23:40.19 | Winny | uh, it looks like two little boxes to me |
| 23:40.50 | a_meteorite | Winny: switch to unicode |
| 23:41.01 | Macrosoft | Winny: line extremely! |
| 23:46.31 | Macrosoft | 0101 |
| 23:47.16 | Macrosoft | anyone know how to type unicode in gnome |
| 23:47.17 | Macrosoft | ? |
| 23:50.38 | Macrosoft | 5555 |
| 23:50.41 | Macrosoft | nope |
| 23:50.57 | Macrosoft | 55500 |
| 23:57.58 | _anomaly_ | What do you mean, type? You can try the character map. |
| 23:59.07 | Macrosoft | character map? linux, not windows |
| 23:59.25 | _anomaly_ | I run fedora and I have a character map app |
| 23:59.34 | Macrosoft | tis ubuntu |
| 23:59.43 | _anomaly_ | its in gnome accessories |
| 23:59.57 | _anomaly_ | or you could install it |