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00:45.04JeffMdelusional_, just FYI, the source code for stripe is available, but it's not an LGPL compatalbe license
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02:11.24keith80403Is there "native" support in 2.0.8 for Logitech gamepads, e.g. not having to use joy2key ?
02:13.34keith80403I'm using a Logitech Precision Gamepad, X/Y axes work fine but can't map any of the buttons to fire with.
02:14.26JeffMwhat OS?
02:15.02keith80403Linux - Debian Etch.
02:15.50JeffMthere is a joystick API that is/can be built in IIRC, but I don't remeber it's name
02:16.20keith80403JeffM, Built into.... meaning a kernel module or built into BZF ?
02:18.13JeffMbzflag can be built to call some joystick api on linux
02:18.27JeffMthen we'll see sticks as buttons
02:18.29JeffMnot keyhs
02:18.34JeffMand the axes as axes
02:18.44JeffMwe have joystick support, it just needs an API to call
02:18.54DTRemenakif the axes work, buttons should work also
02:18.57keith80403JeffM, Hey, thanks.  I'll check into that.
02:19.09JeffMDTRemenak: don't you use SDL for sticks too ?
02:19.16DTRemenakthey may not be numbered like you expect, and we only support the first 12
02:19.33DTRemenakso if you have a whole bunch, you may need to figure out which ones are mapped and which aren't
02:19.44DTRemenakJeffM: Etch is kernel 2.6, so it'll be using evdev
02:19.54JeffMthat's the word
02:19.55JeffMevdev
02:21.26DTRemenakif you run bzflag with debuglevel 4 (bzflag -debug -debug -debug -debug) it should dump a bunch of output to the console, including joystick config stuff
02:21.50keith80403DTRemenak, Hm, I'll try that when this game is over - thanks alot
02:22.08keith80403To you developers, BZFlag is a COOL game.  I love it.
02:22.12AAA_awright_Or you can use bzflag -dddd
02:22.26DTRemenakAAA_awright_: no, you can't...-d is directory
02:22.43DTRemenakclient uses different flags than the server
02:23.02AAA_awright_Client, directory is -dir I thought
02:24.40AAA_awright_DTRemenak: My windows client says [-d | -debug]
02:25.51AAA_awright_Don't have the Linux client compiled though :(
02:25.54keith80403Ok, I used bzflag -window -geometry 800x600 -debug -debug -debug -debug
02:26.05keith80403Getting lots of debug info now.  WIll try the joystick on the next pass.....
02:28.07DTRemenakhm, I seem to be stuck in the past :) that was changed for 2.0
02:28.37DTRemenak~AAA_awright++
02:28.55DTRemenaksweet
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02:41.37keith80403Is there a key to identify the flags on the landscape?
02:41.49keith80403Without actually picking up the flag, that is.
02:42.19bradno, that would be cheating ;)
02:42.37bradyou can use the identify flag to see what a nearby flag is
02:43.58keith80403brad, Ok, I thought so, thanks for the feedback.
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02:56.47Thumper_Is there a way to allow anon players to spawn and talk but not registered players that aren't verified?
02:56.55Thumper_ie. impersonators can't play or talk
02:57.11Thumper_but still alow anon to play and talk
02:57.18Thumper_allow*
02:57.26Constitutionrequireidentify should take care of the spawn
02:57.26Thumper_JeffM: ^^
02:57.45Thumper_Constitution: oh yeah. I've forgotten about that :-P
02:58.25blast007Thumper_: some groups: EVERYONE for all users, REGISTERED is for any registered user (regardless of being identified), and VERIFIED is a registered user that is identified
02:58.53Thumper_blast007: cool. didn't know about REGISTERED
02:59.18Macrosoftw00t! /me has a sig rotation script!
03:07.22Thumper_blast007: can't find REGISTERED in the code anywhere...
03:08.44delusional_Jeffm. I was in a hurry, and no one should ever be in a hurry. That's wen mistakes happen.
03:08.49blast007hmm
03:09.48blast007Thumper_: I'll check quick
03:10.35blast007delusional_: you should be in a hurry if you're being chased by a bear. Mistakes would happen if you stop to ask the bear for directions.
03:11.12delusional_most of the time, the bear runs from me.
03:12.55blast007Thumper_: yeah, looks like I'm mistaken
03:13.03Thumper_blast007: ohwell. :)
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03:25.48brlcad~.ro
03:25.49ibotextra, extra, read all about it, .ro is Romania
03:26.13brlcadcrazy romanians attacking the anonymous ftp server
03:33.22brlcaderm, oh wait she's bulgarian.. heh whoops
03:45.19Macrosoftgood or bad: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11553
03:46.09brlcadnot so great color contrast/selections
03:46.58Macrosofttried to make background match the team
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10:11.14PietHAllo
10:11.28Pietjfjhfgf
10:11.52Pietirgendjemand hier??
10:12.50tannerldheh
10:13.07whodaman-tannerld, he was german
10:14.02tannerldwhodaman-: I don't think jhjghgf was a word :P
10:14.49whodaman-not really
10:15.03whodaman-landed in the wrong channel ;)
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10:26.03PietHello???
10:26.20Pietanyone here???
10:26.29Constitutionyep
10:26.33Piet%-}
10:26.47tsno
10:26.48Pietboring!!
10:27.11Pietits really boring here!
10:27.37Constitutionthanks
10:27.43Piethehe
10:29.18Piethello?
10:29.19whodaman-Piet, das is kein channel
10:29.28whodaman-f?r chatting etc
10:29.36Pietchatrom
10:29.51whodaman-das ist eigentlich der channel f?r devs von bzflag
10:29.58Pietja dann erklär mal!!
10:30.11Pietdevs??
10:30.22whodaman-developers
10:30.31whodaman-wei?t ?berhaupt was BZflag ist?
10:30.42Pietnja dann! erstma
10:30.51Pietntürlich!
10:30.59Pietnweiss ich das!
10:31.13whodaman-programmierer  kommuniezieren hier
10:31.19whodaman-?ber "wichtige" dinge
10:31.24whodaman-kein allt?glich scheiss
10:31.26Pietnna dann kommuzier mal
10:31.30whodaman-daf?r gibts andere channel
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10:32.40tswhodaman-: Ich glaub er hat vom Spiel keine Ahnung ;)
10:33.17whodaman-ts, guck dir mal an wie der schreibt
10:33.31whodaman-w?rd mich nich ?berraschen wenn der breit ist...
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15:54.22TheBarronmenotume alive?
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16:40.38JeffMthere he is
16:40.59Erroneouswhome?
16:41.10JeffMyoum
16:44.15JeffMdo meshboxes exist in 4 dimensions?
16:45.32Erroneousfour for the top, four for the bottom, two for each side
16:46.01Erroneousthey're really 360 degree, 4-segment arcs
16:46.07Erroneouseach segment is 4 tris
16:46.09JeffMit does a fan?
16:46.15Erroneousdoubt it
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16:46.21Erroneousbut I could be wrong
16:46.25Erroneouslook at the arc code
16:46.56JeffMthe only way to get 4 triangles out of a quad is to use 5 verts, one in the center
16:47.13JeffMin a fan arangement ( not nessiaraly a gl fan )
16:47.17Erroneousyes
16:47.23JeffMahh so it adds anotehr vert
16:47.27Erroneousyes
16:47.38Erroneouswell, "another" from the perspective of a normal box
16:47.42JeffMyes
16:47.46Erroneousbut it's normal, from the perspective of an arc :)
16:47.56JeffMand meshes don't do the dynamic tesselation do they?
16:48.21ErroneousI don't think so
16:48.34JeffMthen lighting is better on meshboxes
16:48.37JeffMsorry on boxes
16:48.40JeffMworse on meshboxes
16:48.47JeffMthat's the best reason to use them
16:48.56Erroneousyes
16:50.44JeffMlightmaps.......
16:50.51JeffMthe power of lightmaps compell you!
16:50.59Erroneous'course, as soon as you try to apply 2.0 properties to a box, it turns into a meshbox anyway
16:51.04Erroneousor we could fix mesh lighting ;)
16:51.31JeffMgl limits you to 8 lights per
16:51.37JeffMso it's not so much as "fix"
16:51.43Erroneousmf, true
16:52.02JeffMtho if we did our lighting on a per face basis we could probalby get away with it
16:52.09JeffMtho we'd not get self shadowing
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17:13.18blast007Erroneous: afaik, it doesn't turn the box into a meshbox
17:13.58blast007[22:03:08] <+trepan> the meshed 'box' objects are more efficient than the 'meshboxes'   ;-)
17:15.10JeffMhe may just turn each face into a meshface box style
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18:56.51awilcoxWow.
18:57.19awilcoxI just found a BZ project called 'BZTourney' on CIA.vc.  Const and Winny are making a stats site?
18:57.26awilcoxI thought AAA_awright was doing that.
18:57.52SpazzyMcGeeBZTourney is going to be a really big tournament.
18:58.04awilcoxOhh.
18:58.20awilcoxIt says "BZTourney - Real-time open source activity stats"
18:58.30SpazzyMcGeewww.bzflag.org/wiki/bztourney
18:59.11SpazzyMcGee* http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZTourney
18:59.58awilcoxheh, I automagically fixed that in my head :P
19:00.07SpazzyMcGeeheh
19:06.22JeffMhmm, AMD 2000+ 256 megs of ram, 40 gig drive, 100 mb connection, BSD, and 1.2tb of transfer a month $38.90 a month, 70$ setup.
19:09.04TheBarronhrm.. I missed erroneous/menotume?
19:14.07JeffMErroneous, is here
19:14.12JeffMmenotume, is somone else
19:14.30TheBarronsorry.. someone made a comment earlier that I mistook apparently
19:14.42TheBarronjust looking for a pillbox.bzleague admin
19:14.54awilcoxJeffM: over time (a really long time) it would be more worth it to purchase it yourself.
19:15.10JeffMpurchase the hardware?
19:15.16JeffMrackspace aint' cheap
19:15.31awilcoxthe connection would probably be slower, but unless you're planning a torrent seeder or something, it won't matter
19:15.35TheBarronwhile I'm here with programmer types, what's with the new CTF fairness patch? (or is that third party?) it's now where when teams are uneven, no one can carry any flag
19:15.35JeffMand i don't want to have to GO out there to maintainit
19:15.52JeffMawilcox, what connection? you mean a home machine hosting?
19:16.07JeffMTheBarron, IIRC it's a plug-in
19:16.11awilcoxJeffM: Not necessarily 'home', that sounds really sucky.  you can get a business-class ISP.
19:16.23TheBarronJeffM: yeah, that :)
19:16.24JeffMawilcox, none of that will get close to a colo system
19:16.29awilcoxit's about $20/mo more expensive than a normal home connection
19:16.41JeffMfor nowhere near the bandwith
19:16.45JeffMI'm looking at real servers
19:16.48TheBarronyeah.. big diff between colo and biz-class DSL
19:16.53JeffM24/7 uptime stuff
19:16.54awilcoxbut it would pay for itself in 26 months (using my calculator)
19:16.58TheBarronhell, even my 20M frac T3 doesn't touch colo
19:17.04JeffMawilcox, you can't ocmpare them
19:17.36JeffMin 26 months SOMETHING on the hardware will break
19:17.53JeffMwith a dedicated, I don't have to care
19:18.02JeffMand get 100mb connection to the net
19:18.06awilcoxmy server has been going for at least 4 years without a failure
19:18.17JeffMand how fast is your connection?
19:18.28awilcox6m down / 500k up
19:18.36JeffMyeah , no thanks
19:18.39awilcoxI'm on "home" things.  I haven't upgraded to biz yet.
19:18.49awilcoxbiz would be something like 10m down / 2m up
19:18.51JeffMwhat would the biz give you for an upsteadm?
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19:18.56JeffMwow, 2 megs
19:19.00JeffMyeah that's crap
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19:19.14JeffMI'm talking aobut hosting multiple bzfs servers, sites, etc..
19:19.23JeffMlist server class hosting
19:19.28awilcoxwell it's not 100megs but it would work for the stuff I need
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19:19.38JeffMwhen did this become about what you need?
19:19.39awilcoxJeffM: ohhhhh, bzflag's site...ohh....
19:19.45Erroneousthe stuff you need != the stuff JeffM needs
19:20.16awilcoxJeffM: I was just suggesting another option that you may not have thought of.  I'll back off now >.>
19:20.33JeffMa suggestion you made with out firsting checking on the needs ;)
19:21.12awilcoxheh.  well I would never have guessed that bzf needed a new host, that's all
19:21.25JeffMit dosn't
19:21.32JeffMI never said it was for bzflag's site
19:21.35JeffMagain you assumed that
19:21.41JeffMI said it was for similar duties.
19:22.04JeffMthings in the same class as the list server, and running bzfs servers
19:22.15JeffMand other websites
19:23.50awilcoxwell "bzf" and "site" in the sentence threw me off.
19:24.00awilcoxoh...speaking of list server, is that still broke?
19:24.07awilcoxin 2.2?
19:24.10JeffMthere was a comma
19:24.26JeffMthe list server has never been broke for any version
19:24.36JeffMI belive the menu bug in the list of servers was fixed
19:24.43awilcoxahh, okay.  thanks.
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20:40.21Birdiegrr i hate it, you notice a cheater, you do poll ban and you dont collect enough votes
20:43.23bradwhere Birdie ?
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21:46.26Birdiebrad: wnc
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21:46.45Birdiehe was even so kind to explain his cheats
21:46.54Birdiethe funny thing is that he sucked and was almost totally down the score list:)
21:47.15Birdiehe could fly, aimed laser, quick turn
21:47.36L4m3rplease discuss this elsewhere, birdie. this isn't the place.
21:50.23Tuponehi Birdie
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