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| 00:26.41 | donny_baker | brlcad: ping |
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| 02:31.25 | Macrosoft | anyone know what the "ambient r g b a" parameter for materials does? |
| 02:31.41 | Macrosoft | i cant see what it changes |
| 02:32.03 | Macrosoft | ...although i'm not sure what to look for |
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| 09:35.36 | Pimpinella | ruskie: ping |
| 09:36.41 | Manu | hallo Pimpinella :) |
| 09:37.09 | Pimpinella | buenos dias Manu :) |
| 09:37.57 | Pimpinella | Manu: can you tell me which would be the version of fairCTF to use? |
| 09:39.33 | ruskie | Pimpinella, ??? |
| 09:40.22 | Pimpinella | ruskie: do you have a special version of fairCTF i should use? |
| 09:40.41 | ruskie | just the latest surce from the ML should be enough... |
| 09:40.43 | ruskie | no other updates |
| 09:40.50 | ruskie | atleast not from me |
| 09:40.53 | Pimpinella | ML? |
| 09:40.59 | ruskie | mailing list : |
| 09:41.00 | ruskie | :) |
| 09:41.03 | Pimpinella | ok |
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| 11:17.17 | Pimpinella | so, what kind of perm is required to use /loadplugin? |
| 11:24.31 | catay | I think it's PLUGINS |
| 11:26.02 | delusional | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Bz_RegisterCustomFlag i dont think there is one |
| 11:26.05 | catay | thats according to bzfsPlugins.cxx line 336 |
| 11:26.20 | delusional | woop, i meant this link http://my.bzflag.org/w/Group_Permissions |
| 11:27.00 | catay | it's not implemented the way it is like the other in-game commands |
| 11:27.14 | catay | well, as far as I can see, could be wrong :P |
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| 11:51.08 | Thumper_ | Pimpinella: PLUGINS is required |
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| 12:04.38 | delusional | hmmm, PLUGINS is new in 2.0.10. /password is the old perm. |
| 12:32.15 | Pimpinella | Thumper_: yep, ty. i already figured from source |
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| 12:33.25 | Pimpinella | unfortunately it's not documented yet, i guess |
| 12:34.01 | Pimpinella | permissions start to stray all over the code due to that api thingy |
| 12:34.32 | Pimpinella | i think there should be at least sone note in Permissions.h |
| 12:35.04 | Thumper_ | yeah that's not particularly nice |
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| 12:53.52 | ruskie | Pimpinella, so what's the status now? |
| 12:54.02 | ruskie | Pimpinella, needs to have both load and unload btw |
| 12:54.40 | ruskie | also is there a perm for clientquery yet? |
| 12:57.04 | Pimpinella | ruskie: who needs load and unload? |
| 12:57.10 | ruskie | all cops |
| 12:57.18 | ruskie | load and unloadplugin that is |
| 12:58.46 | catay | PLUGINS perm takes care of both |
| 12:58.53 | Pimpinella | dunno about clientquery, i'll look at i later. is there need for that perm? |
| 12:59.28 | Pimpinella | its already in vipers grou file, i'll reload quickly |
| 12:59.36 | ruskie | for clientquery? yes... limit to authenticated users only... else kiddiez start to annoy ppl when they get muted with it |
| 12:59.53 | catay | hehe |
| 12:59.57 | ruskie | hmm missing some punctuation there and some other stuff |
| 13:00.29 | Pimpinella | typing one handed, baby occupies the oter one |
| 13:00.43 | ruskie | ahh |
| 13:01.58 | Pimpinella | ruskie: reloaded and available |
| 13:02.41 | ruskie | ok confirmed it works :) |
| 13:06.53 | Pimpinella | Permissions.h doesnt list a perm for clientquery |
| 13:07.14 | ruskie | ohh well |
| 13:12.24 | Pimpinella | no, there's no perm asked for |
| 13:13.18 | Pimpinella | it could ask for TALK, no? |
| 13:13.40 | Pimpinella | should solve the problem |
| 13:15.18 | ruskie | how? |
| 13:15.34 | ruskie | that's just for chatting and /mute solves that |
| 13:22.19 | ruskie | hmm Pimpinella something odd... the ctf plugin doesn't seem to be doing anything... |
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| 13:23.08 | ruskie | ahh now it started |
| 13:25.06 | ruskie | hmm Pimpinella did you use one of the existing sources or grabbed it from someplace else? |
| 13:29.06 | Pimpinella | ruskie: i couldn't get it from your server for some reason, so i used the source from zb forums |
| 13:29.33 | Pimpinella | bz forums... |
| 13:29.58 | ruskie | hmm |
| 13:29.59 | ruskie | youch |
| 13:30.02 | ruskie | that's not good |
| 13:30.32 | ruskie | lemme dig up the source... |
| 13:32.16 | ruskie | Pimpinella, http://ruskie.dtdm.net/fairctf.tar.bz2 |
| 13:32.21 | ruskie | build that one |
| 13:34.32 | Pimpinella | k |
| 13:39.48 | Pimpinella | hm |
| 13:39.58 | Pimpinella | g++ -fPIC -frtti -I../../include -O -shared -rdynamic fairCTF.o -o fairCTF.so |
| 13:39.58 | Pimpinella | fairCTF.o(.text.__i686.get_pc_thunk.bx+0x0): In function `__i686.get_pc_thunk.bx': |
| 13:39.58 | Pimpinella | : multiple definition of `__i686.get_pc_thunk.bx' |
| 13:39.58 | Pimpinella | /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/3.3.5/crtbeginS.o(.gnu.linkonce.t.__i686.get_pc_thunk.bx+0x0): first defined here |
| 13:39.58 | Pimpinella | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 13:39.59 | Pimpinella | make: *** [fairCTF.so] Fehler 1 |
| 13:40.40 | ruskie | built here fine... |
| 13:41.37 | ruskie | Pimpinella, http://ruskie.dtdm.net/fairCTF.so <-- try that if it'll work... |
| 13:46.59 | ruskie | hmm Pimpinella could be a stale .o |
| 13:47.10 | ruskie | rm fairCTF.o from that dir :) |
| 13:50.29 | Pimpinella | ruskie: did |
| 13:50.36 | Pimpinella | worked |
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| 13:51.20 | ruskie | :) |
| 13:51.32 | sussudio | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=26509 < this user is a cheater, can you remove him? |
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| 13:58.21 | jnd | do you know where can I find admins? some cheater is in bloodbath |
| 14:01.11 | Pimpinella | i don't find a server by that name |
| 14:01.58 | jnd | bzfx.net:5220 BZFX - R3laX Chartered :: [Bloodbath 2.2] |
| 14:02.14 | jnd | Allez PSG is the cheater |
| 14:09.27 | ruskie | hmmm the tank is moving to fast stuff is still there it seems... |
| 14:09.35 | ruskie | maybe I should update the client as well... |
| 14:12.04 | catay | I did not get kicked anymore with 2.0.10 rc2 because of tank moving to fast |
| 14:12.13 | ruskie | I'll see |
| 14:12.22 | catay | but could be just coincidence because it happened very randomly with me |
| 14:12.32 | ruskie | the server is now running it... now just need for me to update the client... |
| 14:12.38 | ruskie | might need all the fixes for it... |
| 14:14.01 | Manu | ruskie: yes, not fixed |
| 14:14.08 | ruskie | :( |
| 14:17.45 | ruskie | unfixable currently or not yet fully figured out what to fix... |
| 14:18.00 | Pimpinella | wasn't fairCTF taking parameters to define when to allow ctf and when not? |
| 14:18.07 | ruskie | that to |
| 14:18.36 | ruskie | but not many recall how to pass them or the format etc :) |
| 14:18.40 | Pimpinella | 4-5 would usually be considered fair on pillbox i think |
| 14:18.51 | Pimpinella | 3-4 too, so gotta fix that |
| 14:18.54 | ruskie | and it's much easier to load/unload it |
| 14:18.59 | ruskie | Pimpinella, not on viper :) |
| 14:19.07 | Pimpinella | sure ;) |
| 14:20.21 | ruskie | http://viper.pimpi.org/ <-- got a nice graphic for the reading impaired :) |
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| 14:21.01 | ruskie | which reminds me... gsnedders how's the updated site working |
| 14:21.16 | gsnedders | ruskie: no time :( |
| 14:22.49 | Manu | ruskie: I guess I know how to fix it but got distracted testing speed anticheat :) |
| 14:23.59 | Manu | ruskie: a work around, try to wait 1 second before respawn ;) |
| 14:24.38 | Manu | gsnedders: hurry up.. we are getting old ;) |
| 14:34.16 | Manu | ruskie: has you been kicked with the new server? |
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| 14:40.01 | Manu | ruskie: yes, you were kicked.. and enabledistancecheck is off :/ |
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| 14:41.35 | ruskie | Manu, hmm any way to put that into the respawn code automaticaly... I hit the button ot fast usually so I still get kicked... if it could be delayed a bit.. |
| 14:42.25 | Manu | we can set laststate.pos[] to the spawn pos |
| 14:42.29 | Manu | to fix it I guess |
| 14:42.38 | Manu | but that's a hack ;) |
| 14:42.47 | Manu | the distance check code is buggy :/ |
| 14:43.31 | Manu | and the enabled detection is buggy too :/ |
| 14:43.52 | Manu | so 0 is active and 1 turns it off |
| 14:43.56 | Manu | :/ |
| 14:44.26 | Manu | first I'll ask JeffM what he tried to do :) |
| 14:45.29 | Manu | so I'll change the var in viper |
| 14:47.36 | Manu | lol.. I can't change it... another bug :/ |
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| 14:56.23 | jnd | hello guys, he is back but I am sure he stops cheating/signs off when he sees admin, can you try come with some "cloak"? :p |
| 14:56.44 | jnd | GROS CHIOTE is his nick |
| 14:57.00 | jnd | I'll go back to game and monitor the situation |
| 14:57.30 | Birdie | server? |
| 14:57.47 | Birdie | ah bloodbath, sorry didnt read |
| 14:59.54 | Manu | jnd: ok |
| 15:07.33 | Pimpinella | french one, dynamic dns :/ |
| 15:07.49 | Manu | yep |
| 15:07.50 | Pimpinella | s/dns/ip |
| 15:08.00 | Manu | :) |
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| 15:20.07 | delusional | >lart tedius |
| 15:20.16 | delusional | ~lart tedius |
| 15:20.16 | ibot | turns tedius into a lifesized tux doll |
| 15:20.24 | Tedius | ooh, snazzy |
| 15:20.52 | delusional | i was hoping you'd be slapped by a something |
| 15:21.11 | blast007 | delusional: ibot actually has a real lart system ;) |
| 15:21.41 | delusional | i bet the slapped by a killer whale is still in there somewhere |
| 15:21.42 | Tedius | heh |
| 15:22.07 | Tedius | ~trout Tedius |
| 15:22.08 | ibot | ACTION slaps Tedius around a bit with a large trout! |
| 15:22.17 | delusional | that's better |
| 15:22.37 | Manu | Pimpinella: you have compiled and old and buggy bzflag version ;) |
| 15:22.49 | Manu | newest is RC2 and you have RC1 |
| 15:23.14 | Manu | bzfs I mean |
| 15:29.54 | Pimpinella | sigh |
| 15:30.43 | Pimpinella | i confess it was about 2 days old... |
| 15:30.44 | Manu | :) |
| 15:31.22 | Manu | in your version, I can't change _enableDistanceCheck :) |
| 15:31.40 | Manu | because half implemented :) |
| 15:35.08 | Pimpinella | Manu: when would that be comitted? |
| 15:35.18 | Pimpinella | have been |
| 15:36.22 | Manu | days ago |
| 15:36.29 | Manu | I just compiled a fresh update and working fine |
| 15:36.55 | Pimpinella | my copy wasn't _that_ old i think |
| 15:37.17 | Manu | well your server says RC1 and mine RC2 :) |
| 15:37.35 | Manu | and JeffM changed the distance check code days ago |
| 15:38.29 | Pimpinella | is there still a dev and a common user repository with svn, with the common less up to date? |
| 15:38.47 | Manu | what do you mean? |
| 15:39.03 | blast007 | Pimpinella: there is a v2_0branch branch for 2.0.x |
| 15:39.05 | Manu | you can do svn update in your source directory |
| 15:39.17 | blast007 | svn trunk (called HEAD in CVS) is 2.1.x |
| 15:39.44 | Pimpinella | with cvs there was a dev repository, that you could only access with username/password |
| 15:39.48 | Manu | blast007: he has the v2_0branch version :) |
| 15:39.54 | Pimpinella | which was up to date. |
| 15:40.00 | blast007 | Pimpinella: oh |
| 15:40.00 | Manu | Pimpinella: no need with svn |
| 15:40.00 | DTRemenak | svn is fully synced |
| 15:40.04 | DTRemenak | what you have is what we have |
| 15:40.05 | Pimpinella | anon was a few hours late |
| 15:40.12 | DTRemenak | no more 5-hour delays |
| 15:40.13 | blast007 | then again, so is CVS now |
| 15:40.27 | blast007 | or at least a lot closer |
| 15:40.31 | Manu | Pimpinella: svn is fully sunced as DTRemenak said |
| 15:40.35 | Manu | only need password to commit |
| 15:40.58 | Manu | synced* |
| 15:40.59 | DTRemenak | blast007: svn is by design...checkout is completely non-authenticated, even for devs |
| 15:41.10 | Pimpinella | no idea wether i still know my password, it's ages since i made a commit ;) |
| 15:41.26 | Manu | DTRemenak: http://www.stuffonfire.com/2007/09/13/10-reasons-why-i-hate-svn/ |
| 15:41.28 | Manu | :) |
| 15:42.57 | Manu | Pimpinella: to get a fresh 2_0branch svn -> svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag |
| 15:43.11 | Pimpinella | i already have a fresh ;) |
| 15:43.21 | Manu | ah :) |
| 15:43.21 | Pimpinella | it's building |
| 15:43.51 | Pimpinella | but my rc1 binary isn't quite _that_ old |
| 15:44.18 | Manu | well, In viper I can't change the var, in my server I can |
| 15:44.21 | Manu | so enough old :) |
| 15:44.51 | Manu | we can disable distancecheck because totally buggy |
| 15:45.33 | donny_baker | Manu: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11522 Looks like a ban is tripping someone else up, maybe:P |
| 15:45.41 | Pimpinella | i lost touch with bz development more than half a year ago, probably more, so.... |
| 15:45.55 | Pimpinella | i don't even know whats distancecheck for |
| 15:46.10 | Pimpinella | now, it checks some distances... |
| 15:47.22 | Manu | donny_baker: yes, a cheater ip range |
| 15:47.33 | Manu | I can remove it |
| 15:47.56 | donny_baker | no problem, just letting you know... I know knigtmare is a pain :) |
| 15:48.12 | Manu | :) |
| 15:50.08 | Pimpinella | Manu: it's in your homedir, so flip it whenever you see fit |
| 15:50.57 | Manu | Pimpinella: yes, I see |
| 15:51.17 | Pimpinella | bbl |
| 15:51.41 | Manu | Pimpinella: BZFlag server 2.0.10.20070927-RC2-linux-gnu-SDL (protocol 0026) http://BZFlag.org/ |
| 15:51.45 | Manu | it's ok now |
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| 15:53.40 | N0S3 | hello , timricker are here? |
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| 16:02.40 | N0S3 | soon return |
| 16:02.43 | N0S3 | bye |
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| 16:12.16 | JeffM | delusional, you should define normals for the collision faces, you don't need the UVs tho |
| 16:12.27 | JeffM | and since you don't define UVs you don't need a texture on the material |
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| 16:33.04 | jnd | in laser sniping map when I got on some places I cant move or shoot, do you know why? |
| 16:39.06 | blast007 | (in case anyone is interested and has a mobile phone) http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=115377#115377 |
| 16:41.04 | JeffM | hah |
| 16:41.06 | blast007 | or I suppose even a PDA or other mobile device |
| 16:41.12 | JeffM | or dialup ;) |
| 16:41.15 | blast007 | hehe |
| 16:42.46 | blast007 | been sorta fun playing around with this though :) |
| 16:43.01 | blast007 | now if only I had a phone that could browse the web |
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| 16:54.59 | donny_baker | ~blast007++ |
| 16:55.02 | donny_baker | quite cool |
| 17:07.26 | blast007 | :) |
| 17:13.46 | ruskie | Manu, does that mean no more kicking? |
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| 17:22.20 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15968 10/trunk/bzflag/tools/modeltool/ (6 files): |
| 17:22.20 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: add standard bzflag headers, and formating footer. |
| 17:22.21 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: format the tabs to be like the BZ standard. |
| 17:32.12 | Manu | ruskie: disabling the buggy code does the magic |
| 17:38.17 | JeffM | Winny, when you have time to test more let me jknow |
| 17:42.04 | Epyon | Tommorow is the day O.o |
| 17:44.45 | JeffM | these are the days |
| 17:44.49 | JeffM | these are days you'll remember |
| 17:44.56 | JeffM | never before and never since, I promise |
| 17:45.12 | JeffM | will the whole world be as warm as this |
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| 17:45.31 | Epyon | JeffM, tommorow I have my masters exam and thesis presentation :P |
| 17:46.25 | JeffM | I've become so numb I can't feel you there |
| 17:46.34 | JeffM | Become so tired, so much more aware |
| 17:46.41 | JeffM | I'm becoming this all I want to do |
| 17:46.46 | JeffM | s be more like me and be less like you |
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| 17:58.47 | JeffM | delusional &| tidus,is there any rason you did your tool in php? and didn't just modify model tool? |
| 18:01.18 | Erroneous | Epyon: good luck! :) |
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| 18:08.14 | Epyon | Erroneous, thanks, I'm gonna need it O.o |
| 18:08.38 | JeffM | you'll do fine |
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| 18:09.09 | Tedius | heh, JeffM , because it is all I know. The code is open for anyone to convert to c++ or anything else |
| 18:09.40 | JeffM | that's what I figured, just thought I should ask, in case you found some huge problem in model tool :) |
| 18:09.41 | Tedius | but I thought I'd work out the details with a simple language that I can understand |
| 18:10.12 | JeffM | I'm making model tool take a diconf file |
| 18:10.38 | JeffM | that lets you specify obj files for static, bounding, and lod geometry and then it'll build that all into a single mesh with draw info |
| 18:11.19 | JeffM | with minium index computation |
| 18:11.44 | Tedius | cool, though model tool isn't available for OS X, is it? |
| 18:12.00 | JeffM | model tool is a command line app |
| 18:12.04 | Erroneous | should build anywhere |
| 18:12.04 | JeffM | it shoudl run on any system |
| 18:12.07 | JeffM | yeah |
| 18:12.12 | Erroneous | if it doesn't, let us know, we'll fix it |
| 18:12.14 | JeffM | I know people have bult it on the mac |
| 18:12.16 | JeffM | and used it |
| 18:12.23 | JeffM | we just don't post a bin |
| 18:12.25 | JeffM | we could |
| 18:12.38 | Tedius | wow! I had no idea |
| 18:13.01 | JeffM | you thought it was windows and linux and SGI and irix only? |
| 18:13.49 | Tedius | I saw it on the forums as modeltool.exe |
| 18:13.56 | JeffM | source tree man |
| 18:13.57 | Tedius | I never thought to look further into it |
| 18:14.04 | JeffM | it's been in there since it was made |
| 18:14.05 | Tedius | yeah, i just hit make |
| 18:14.10 | Tedius | is that all I need to do? |
| 18:14.13 | JeffM | yeah |
| 18:14.29 | JeffM | fonttool is windows only |
| 18:14.33 | JeffM | but not modeltool |
| 18:14.46 | Erroneous | generally everything released by the project is cross-platform. bzedit, bzeditw32 and texttool are the only major exceptions I know of. |
| 18:15.21 | JeffM | and I even tried to make a cross plat bzedit out of guilt ;) |
| 18:15.39 | Tedius | awesome, it seemed to work just fine |
| 18:15.41 | JeffM | we just genearly post windows binaries of things |
| 18:15.50 | Erroneous | yeah, and the bzedits are being replaced (partly for portability) |
| 18:15.59 | JeffM | cus 1) that's our most common user, and 2) windows dosn't ship with a compiler |
| 18:16.01 | Erroneous | and texttool won't be needed for 2.2 |
| 18:16.13 | JeffM | all the other OSs have compilers that come with them |
| 18:16.24 | JeffM | yeah thank the gods for that, TTF FTW |
| 18:17.13 | JeffM | who wrote it first ;) |
| 18:17.50 | Erroneous | pft, you wouldn't have imported it though :P |
| 18:18.03 | JeffM | I wrote it as a drop in tho |
| 18:18.24 | JeffM | my subtle way to get others involved in that part of the code ;) |
| 18:18.33 | JeffM | subtle and not quick to anger |
| 18:18.35 | Erroneous | you wrote it as a dropin replacement for your previous one |
| 18:18.39 | JeffM | well yeah |
| 18:18.46 | JeffM | and you used that one ;) |
| 18:18.57 | Erroneous | brlcad did a lot of merging work to sync it with all the changes I'd made :) |
| 18:19.08 | JeffM | yeah he did a lot of good work |
| 18:19.19 | JeffM | code reuse FTW |
| 18:19.22 | Erroneous | yup |
| 18:19.54 | JeffM | man, did I write model tool all wrong :( |
| 18:19.59 | brlcad | hm, who what? |
| 18:20.13 | JeffM | char *'s are for chumps |
| 18:21.00 | brlcad | ah, yeah FTW |
| 18:21.28 | brlcad | and 'hah', I'm not sure I'd call it quite "dropin replacement" but it wasn't too bad in the end to merge |
| 18:22.02 | JeffM | well yeah not drop in |
| 18:22.04 | brlcad | making it perform better was most of the work |
| 18:22.08 | JeffM | but close in funciton |
| 18:22.19 | JeffM | it's prety good now I think |
| 18:22.19 | brlcad | yeah, both old and new had good features |
| 18:22.24 | brlcad | so there was a lot of merging |
| 18:22.37 | brlcad | and figuring out just wtf bzflag was doing with the opengl state |
| 18:22.59 | JeffM | fighting that is always the bigest problem with any graphical change in BZ |
| 18:23.01 | brlcad | it still has that crash on exit I think, from the ftgl destructor |
| 18:23.21 | JeffM | one day we'll have sorted drawables and life will be good :) |
| 18:24.28 | brlcad | one day we'll have a graphics engine with a scene graph and life will be good |
| 18:24.50 | JeffM | and it will have sorted drawables :) |
| 18:25.08 | JeffM | they may call it another name, but they'll sort before they draw |
| 18:25.17 | JeffM | and our code will just tell it how to draw, and not actualy draw it |
| 18:26.13 | Erroneous | I'll believe it when I see it :P |
| 18:26.17 | Chestal | we'll just wait a few more years and raytrace it all |
| 18:26.25 | brlcad | Epyon: good luck |
| 18:26.39 | brlcad | hopefully you got my edits/comments |
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| 18:44.02 | Epyon | brlcad, thanks :) |
| 18:47.55 | Winny | JeffM: ok |
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| 19:35.37 | NTH | Just wanted to run something past you guys about the HUD |
| 19:36.01 | NTH | I want to know if it's a bug or designed |
| 19:36.33 | NTH | you can see this better if the HUD is big say 24 or more |
| 19:37.08 | NTH | place the mouse at the top of the HUD and you are at full speed, Place it half way down from the top and middle you are at half speed |
| 19:37.51 | NTH | Place it half way between the middle and the bottom and you're at full reserve speed, should that be half reverse speed ? |
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| 19:40.15 | L4m3r | probably by design |
| 19:40.26 | L4m3r | reverse speed maxes out at half the forward speed |
| 19:40.46 | L4m3r | so at the same scale in the HUD, in reverse you'd top out halfway down |
| 19:41.19 | donny_baker | that makes sense, but I've never noticed that before |
| 19:41.33 | NTH | yes but the HUD reaches max reverse speed half way down |
| 19:41.34 | ruskie | probably most of us don't :) |
| 19:41.57 | L4m3r | NTH: yes, but max reverse speed is half of max forward speed |
| 19:42.07 | donny_baker | NTH: yes, we probably don't scale the revese speed |
| 19:42.16 | NTH | it doesn't |
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| 19:43.11 | NTH | so if full speed is 25, reverse is 12.5 with the mouse half way from middle to bottom it should be 6.25 |
| 19:43.21 | NTH | not 12.5 that it is currently |
| 19:43.31 | donny_baker | no we are saying we don't do that |
| 19:43.37 | donny_baker | ~pw |
| 19:43.38 | ibot | [patches welcome] a common response by maintainers of Open Source products. It's roughly means "We don't have much time on our hands, so if you write that feature and send it to us we will likely roll it in. If you don't have the time to write it, we don't either. Stop asking for it." |
| 19:43.49 | donny_baker | :) |
| 19:44.02 | Tedius | think of it this way, one millimeter above and below center is the same speed forward and backward |
| 19:44.09 | Tedius | it was probably by design |
| 19:44.12 | L4m3r | what Tedius said |
| 19:45.05 | donny_baker | there is always more than one way to skin a cat, and the easiest is usually the path taken |
| 19:48.20 | NTH | ok point taken, i wanted to make sure i understood it thanks for your time... I will look into it don't know if it would help or hinder if it's fixed |
| 19:48.55 | NTH | I guess hinder as I want to be at full reverse most of the time as quick as possible |
| 19:50.42 | donny_baker | yeah, i rarely use reverse at anything more than full either |
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| 19:50.58 | ibot | tadd <n=tadd@adsl-074-239-228-191.sip.mco.bellsouth.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 136d 15h 58m 42s ago, saying: 'gotta run. thanks for any info -- i'll read when I get up in the morning'. |
| 19:51.15 | jftsang | :( |
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| 19:51.23 | ruskie | erm... |
| 19:51.39 | Winny | he needs to learn he can PM the bot, heh |
| 19:58.49 | JeffM | sorry Winny I was at lunch playing halo |
| 19:59.10 | JeffM | did you get the last version to lock up? |
| 19:59.11 | donny_baker | JeffM: 3? |
| 19:59.16 | JeffM | donny_baker, yes |
| 19:59.22 | JeffM | brought it to work to show everyone |
| 19:59.27 | Winny | JeffM: havent gotten it to yet, but all in good time |
| 19:59.32 | JeffM | ok |
| 19:59.33 | donny_baker | I'm jealous |
| 19:59.46 | Winny | I sometimes wonder why I got a Wii :( |
| 19:59.51 | JeffM | if you do, I'd like to know if it crashes before or after it says "joinInternetGame" |
| 20:00.01 | Winny | ok |
| 20:00.19 | JeffM | if it does after that, but before "1" then I can build another version that logs into the DNS lookup |
| 20:00.32 | ruskie | Winny, to waste the money? |
| 20:00.50 | ruskie | though the wii is one of the rare devices I was actually thinking of buying myself... |
| 20:00.55 | JeffM | hey, when The Force Unleashed conmes out, he'll be the only one with a wiisaber ;) |
| 20:01.22 | ruskie | lol |
| 20:01.34 | JeffM | my parents were kind enough to get me a 360 for my birthday 2 weeks ago, so the others here got me halo3 |
| 20:02.01 | JeffM | then my roomate went off and just finished it off in like 2 days :) |
| 20:02.04 | donny_baker | really honey, "Microsoft gave me one for being a good customer" :P |
| 20:02.19 | Winny | donny_baker: when hell freezes over |
| 20:02.28 | donny_baker | hehe |
| 20:02.33 | ruskie | :) |
| 20:02.35 | JeffM | donny_baker, the media center stuff |
| 20:02.37 | ruskie | np: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbJoWOMh5rY |
| 20:02.57 | JeffM | if you have a windows box, you can stream anything it can play to the 360 and watch it on the TV |
| 20:03.25 | donny_baker | yeah, I've tried that one.. we have 2 media center PCs and I keep telling her we could then watch it on the big TV instead of a 20" FP |
| 20:03.25 | ruskie | erm I can do that with my geexbox... and linux |
| 20:03.33 | JeffM | there are other ways sure |
| 20:03.40 | JeffM | I'm just saying it's an added feature |
| 20:03.46 | donny_baker | the other ways don't get me a 360 |
| 20:03.52 | JeffM | exactly ;) |
| 20:03.57 | JeffM | linux don't play halo3 |
| 20:04.05 | ruskie | lol |
| 20:04.20 | JeffM | it seems to be a decent dvd player as well |
| 20:04.31 | JeffM | and you can get the "pro" version now that has HDMI out |
| 20:04.50 | JeffM | I have the halo special edition, it's green |
| 20:05.58 | JeffM | it's not long enough to play all week :) |
| 20:06.18 | Winny | JeffM: only 1.25hrs a class, x5 classes |
| 20:06.28 | JeffM | I mean the game |
| 20:06.47 | Winny | surely its more then 5 hours? |
| 20:07.37 | JeffM | dunno |
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| 20:07.44 | JeffM | I know it's not more then 30 |
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| 20:51.16 | JeffM | kill the whererabbit! |
| 20:51.50 | Lagomorph | it IS a roughly full moon |
| 20:52.46 | tannerld | Lagomorph: was last night |
| 20:53.05 | Lagomorph | yup |
| 20:58.26 | delusional | JeffM, i think there should be a switch to export with or without faces and, did you say you were going to make sure us mac guys were going to get a copy? |
| 20:59.18 | JeffM | delusional, it's more then a switch |
| 20:59.22 | JeffM | and no I did not say that |
| 20:59.32 | JeffM | I said that mac users can build it just like linux users |
| 20:59.46 | JeffM | model tool works PERFECTLY fine on OSX |
| 20:59.57 | delusional | ok, i had bad information that modeltool was windows only |
| 21:00.02 | JeffM | yes you did |
| 21:01.04 | JeffM | I only ever posted a windows build of it |
| 21:01.09 | JeffM | but the software is cross platformn |
| 21:02.10 | JeffM | the post I released that on even said it worked in linux |
| 21:02.21 | JeffM | "you just have to get the source and build your own" |
| 21:02.29 | delusional | i see that now.. we never needed modeltool all that much, there were always alternatives. |
| 21:03.15 | delusional | so a false rumor that it was not mac developed, probably after some people couldn't compile. |
| 21:03.45 | JeffM | "not mac developed" |
| 21:03.57 | delusional | false rumor developed |
| 21:04.04 | JeffM | you silly mac people |
| 21:04.09 | delusional | that it wasnt mac- capable |
| 21:04.11 | JeffM | you don' have to USE a mac to make mac software |
| 21:04.30 | JeffM | it's a command line app |
| 21:04.35 | delusional | GIVE US GUI OR WE WILL NEVER USE IT! |
| 21:04.40 | JeffM | cool |
| 21:04.41 | JeffM | bye |
| 21:04.50 | delusional | joking |
| 21:04.55 | JeffM | I know ;) |
| 21:05.14 | JeffM | with this setup, you don't give modeltool a single obj file |
| 21:05.17 | JeffM | you give it a text file |
| 21:05.30 | JeffM | that has the file names of a bunch of obj files |
| 21:05.40 | JeffM | 1 to use for static geometry ( what you call "faces") |
| 21:05.46 | JeffM | one to use for invisible bounding geometry |
| 21:05.52 | JeffM | like I did in my sample |
| 21:06.06 | JeffM | and then a list of one or more to use for the various LODs |
| 21:06.15 | JeffM | the first one is always LOD 0 |
| 21:06.29 | JeffM | then it'll read all those in, and pack them up into one big mesh object |
| 21:07.00 | delusional | sounds good to me. |
| 21:07.08 | JeffM | so lets say you wanted to do a box, that was on fire. use a mesh for the box part, use an invisible bounding mesh around the fire, and lods for the fire |
| 21:07.16 | JeffM | you'd define an obj with the box |
| 21:07.24 | JeffM | and it'd go in as "faces" |
| 21:07.44 | JeffM | then another for the bouding faces, and they'd go in as invisible faces |
| 21:08.07 | JeffM | and the other obj's would be used for the various LODs |
| 21:08.32 | JeffM | then if you wanted to animate it, you'd add your anim commands to the drawinfo section |
| 21:08.35 | JeffM | and animate the fire |
| 21:09.21 | JeffM | later we could put a tri-striper in there too |
| 21:11.06 | delusional | i can see people using a lot of invisible boxes... say you put in an obj with lots of tiny protruberances on it, you don't want tanks getting stuck on all of them. so you leave the model as drawinfo without faces, and put an invisible box over it, that is used for collisions. |
| 21:12.26 | JeffM | you can do that as 2 objects if you wanted |
| 21:12.32 | JeffM | or one object with this tool |
| 21:12.33 | delusional | yes. |
| 21:12.51 | JeffM | you provide an obj file that is the box that is to be "invisible" and I'll add it for you |
| 21:12.58 | JeffM | so you don't have to move 2 objects around all the time |
| 21:13.08 | JeffM | and they'd scale together. |
| 21:13.12 | JeffM | if put into a group |
| 21:13.18 | delusional | alright, i'll leave you alone. seems you have great ideas. |
| 21:14.06 | JeffM | what'd be slick to do is automatic decimation, as well as computing the convex hull of the mesh for bounds ;) |
| 21:15.13 | delusional | i don't suppose you can make a new lod, merely skipping every third corner. |
| 21:15.34 | JeffM | no |
| 21:15.44 | delusional | i betya that would work, but badly |
| 21:15.47 | JeffM | for concave objects that would get WIERD |
| 21:16.21 | JeffM | it woudl work for convexes |
| 21:16.21 | JeffM | but not concaves |
| 21:16.22 | JeffM | basicly the closer it is to a sphere, the better it works ;) |
| 21:16.45 | JeffM | when killing verts, you usualy add more weight to sharp corners |
| 21:17.13 | JeffM | the common algorythim so to go thru the verts and see how many faces share the vert, and the average deviation per face, etc.. |
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| 21:20.09 | Tedius | even the decimators that come with 3d modelers need to be hand tweaked though, right? |
| 21:20.33 | JeffM | often yes |
| 21:20.44 | JeffM | there is no perfect algo for it |
| 21:20.50 | JeffM | usualy you use tools to get you close |
| 21:20.54 | JeffM | then hand tweak |
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| 21:53.35 | N0S3 | hola timriker, hablas español? |
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| 21:55.19 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: mild rewrite of isKey. Accept keys followed by whitespace or on a line by |
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| 21:55.23 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: "texcoord" shouldn't match "texcoords"). Provide an early out if the line |
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| 21:55.45 | brlcad | N0S3: hay bastante gente aqui que hablan español |
| 21:56.08 | brlcad | si tienes una pregunta, solo preguntalo |
| 21:56.15 | N0S3 | brlcad: es que necesitaba hablar con TimRiker |
| 21:56.25 | brlcad | ta bien |
| 21:57.00 | brlcad | me imagino que lo harias mejor con un PM pues |
| 21:57.18 | N0S3 | brlcad: ok, gracias colega |
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| 21:58.10 | Manu | colega.. :) |
| 21:58.39 | Manu | brlcad: hola colega ;) |
| 21:59.20 | brlcad | :) |
| 21:59.32 | brlcad | sounds old |
| 21:59.59 | Manu | suena a pasota :) |
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| 22:06.19 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: finish initital ( untested ) implementation of generating drawinfo for meshes when a diconf file is passed in instead of an obj. |
| 22:06.22 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: Supports, static mesh faces, bounding geometry and LODs using draw info ( tri lists, and polygons ). |
| 22:07.24 | JeffM | no clue if that works or not, but it should generate the basics |
| 22:07.50 | a_meteorite | drawinfo understanding making progress? |
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| 22:09.38 | JeffM | I belive I know how it generaly works |
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| 22:12.30 | JeffM | it would suck to have an entire mesh be in one line :) |
| 22:12.57 | a_meteorite | that's why syntax coloring was invented: lazy developers |
| 22:12.59 | a_meteorite | ;) |
| 22:13.04 | JeffM | huh? |
| 22:13.11 | a_meteorite | kidding.. |
| 22:14.18 | JeffM | techincaly you can define as many triangles in a tri list as you want |
| 22:14.23 | JeffM | but we put them all on one line |
| 22:14.40 | JeffM | so if your mesh is all triangles, it would have put them all in one command |
| 22:14.44 | JeffM | on one line |
| 22:15.06 | JeffM | since for draw info it's trying to group them into a single display list for you |
| 22:16.08 | a_meteorite | ah |
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| 22:18.33 | delusional | yeah.. a few days ago i had a tri list of 130,000 corners, worked good, got 250 FPS |
| 22:19.09 | JeffM | that can be bad if it's behind stuff |
| 22:21.02 | JeffM | since it'l'll be culled as one thing |
| 22:26.43 | JeffM | Erroneous, what was the property to add to text files to get line ending right? |
| 22:27.08 | JeffM | svn:eol-style native? |
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| 22:30.58 | Erroneous | JeffM: yeah |
| 22:31.49 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15982 10/trunk/bzflag/tools/modeltool/modeltool.cxx: support global shift and scale for drawinfo meshes. |
| 22:33.05 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15983 10/trunk/bzflag/tools/modeltool/example.diconf: I lied, flipXZ is does work, since it happens at obj read time not write time. |
| 22:34.04 | JeffM | there, it should suport all the command line options that make sense for it |
| 22:36.56 | *** part/#bzflag jnd (n=jenda@unaffiliated/jnd) |
| 22:45.52 | JeffM | man, I wonder what is up with CIA |
| 22:54.41 | Constitution | JeffM, Erroneous: I really like the plans for flags in 2.1 |
| 22:54.48 | Constitution | should open up a whole range of possibilities |
| 22:54.54 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r15985 10/trunk/bzworkbench/src/model/Model.cpp: don't leak teleporter links |
| 22:55.10 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15986 10/trunk/bzflag/tools/modeltool/example.diconf: note about the anim keyword for passing raw commands to the drawInfo |
| 22:55.21 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15984 10/trunk/bzflag/tools/modeltool/ (example.diconf modeltool.cxx): |
| 22:55.29 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: fix the draw info parser to actualy parse |
| 22:55.33 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: add anim config keyword to pass in any anim commands to the drawInfo |
| 22:55.40 | Erroneous | ~seen jude |
| 22:55.43 | ibot | jude <n=jude@c-68-84-206-92.hsd1.az.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 186d 18h 3m 20s ago, saying: 'kk'. |
| 22:55.48 | Erroneous | ~seen jude- |
| 22:55.49 | ibot | jude- <n=jude@c-68-84-206-92.hsd1.ar.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 4d 17h 49m 44s ago, saying: 'yup'. |
| 23:04.28 | JeffM | plans? |
| 23:04.40 | Constitution | new stuff in the TODO |
| 23:04.40 | JeffM | somebody made plans? |
| 23:04.48 | JeffM | oh that was just crap we talked about |
| 23:05.22 | JeffM | the flag effet thing has been an idea for a long time |
| 23:05.32 | JeffM | I started it once, but it's a huge pita cus it's so invasive |
| 23:05.42 | JeffM | tho with the shot type pulled out now it may be simpler. |
| 23:07.43 | JeffM | delusional, if you need a bin for modeltool I belive tedius built it on his mac today. |
| 23:08.18 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r15987 10/trunk/bzworkbench/src/commonControls.cpp: don't leak file chooser dialogs |
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| 23:18.32 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15988 10/trunk/bzflag/tools/modeltool/modeltool.cxx: |
| 23:18.34 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: actually call the write function to save out draw info bzw files. |
| 23:18.36 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: don't set counters to 0 when you just want to test to see if they are 0 |
| 23:18.47 | JeffM | ok with that one, it actually generates a file. |
| 23:18.56 | JeffM | that looks right ish |
| 23:21.56 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r15989 10/trunk/bzworkbench/src/model/Model.cpp: consistency |
| 23:22.28 | JeffM | holly crap... only one error in genration... whoot :) |
| 23:22.50 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15990 10/trunk/bzflag/tools/modeltool/modeltool.cxx: if we don't have a material use -1 for the ref in the draw info, since it NEEDS a name. |
| 23:26.50 | JeffM | http://www.opencombat.net/files/tank.bzw if anyone wants to see what it can output |
| 23:28.35 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15991 10/trunk/bzflag/tools/modeltool/vc71/modeltool.vcproj: build release as MT DLL, not ST static. |
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| 23:56.57 | Winny | ~JeffM++ |