| 00:07.55 | JeffM | I guess he locked up |
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| 00:09.22 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: 03bryjen * r15908 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: case all values of enum |
| 00:09.32 | spldart | Sry... I can't test.. This rig, in both win and lin, is a total Tango Uniform for bzflag. |
| 00:10.18 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: 03bryjen * r15909 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: case all values of enum |
| 00:12.04 | JeffM | bryjen, why does it need that? |
| 00:12.14 | JeffM | the variables are still set |
| 00:12.30 | JeffM | is it some warning? |
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| 00:21.56 | brlcad | so I got a response back from sourceforge support, and apparently I can actually perform the repository fix myself |
| 00:22.41 | brlcad | so that will just result in about 15 minutes downtime .. at some point .. maybe tonight, hopefully tonight |
| 00:23.02 | brlcad | but i'll announce before I even start just to check who's doing what |
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| 00:25.54 | Think_Differentl | I can build a x86_64 build of 2.0.10RC1 if ye want. |
| 00:28.46 | Constitution | brlcad: aside from linking SDL statically, is there anything else required to build a mac binary that will run on other machines? |
| 00:29.25 | Winny | Constitution: fairy dust. |
| 00:29.25 | Winny | and Steve Jobs' blessing. |
| 00:29.25 | blast007 | I could probably build it on the mini from Jeff ;) |
| 00:29.33 | blast007 | wouldn't be a uni of course |
| 00:29.37 | blast007 | PPC build |
| 00:29.37 | JeffM | blast007, it should be set up |
| 00:29.40 | JeffM | and yeah it can do a uni |
| 00:29.41 | blast007 | yup |
| 00:29.45 | JeffM | with script changes |
| 00:29.48 | Constitution | I've got a MacBook... I could do the intel |
| 00:29.52 | JeffM | it's got the cross compiler |
| 00:29.57 | Constitution | oh, yeah |
| 00:30.00 | blast007 | well, right, but I can't do that myself ;) |
| 00:30.08 | JeffM | but really, what we want is brclad's changes to build a uni to test |
| 00:30.14 | JeffM | so I'd rather wait for him to do that |
| 00:30.18 | blast007 | k |
| 00:30.21 | JeffM | then it'll be a real test of the uni |
| 00:30.48 | JeffM | IIRC there are a couple small lib changes you have to do to your system to make sure it uses the ones that 10.3 has |
| 00:30.56 | JeffM | otherwise your 10.4 only |
| 00:31.02 | Constitution | yeah |
| 00:31.17 | JeffM | the mini shuld have the x11 libs set up correctly tho |
| 00:31.21 | brlcad | SDL doesn't need to link static |
| 00:31.27 | Constitution | ah |
| 00:31.29 | brlcad | the other libs may, though |
| 00:31.41 | brlcad | SDL is just shoved into the bundle |
| 00:32.17 | Think_Differentl | *is timing compile* |
| 00:32.27 | brlcad | curl often wants to be static or you get the system libcurl and on 10.2 or 10.3 that causes unresolved symbols |
| 00:34.41 | TimRiker | brlcad: what repository fix? |
| 00:35.01 | brlcad | TimRiker: our svnroot is "busted" |
| 00:35.15 | TimRiker | yeah? how so? and for how long? |
| 00:35.36 | brlcad | there's some invalid ".svn" directory entries that came across during cvs2svn .. that svn itself chokes on hard |
| 00:35.50 | JeffM | since the day we moved to svn |
| 00:35.59 | TimRiker | ah. nice. |
| 00:36.02 | JeffM | pybzflag used to be in svn on another server |
| 00:36.10 | brlcad | yeah, it's been there from the beginning, from some cvs commits like four years ago |
| 00:36.12 | JeffM | when it was commited to cvs, it's .svn dirs got added |
| 00:36.25 | JeffM | svn dosn't like it when .svn dirs get added ;) |
| 00:36.41 | brlcad | it's pretty trivial fix, I'm just going to sed them to "svn" dirs |
| 00:37.01 | Think_Differentl | w00t. 4.9min compile time :D |
| 00:37.09 | brlcad | but the whole "rsync"/dump, fix, upload/restore will take a few minutes |
| 00:38.46 | JeffM | TimRiker, have you goten any COPPA letters recently, specificly for one "mod matt"? |
| 00:42.03 | brlcad | wasn't coppa overturned earlier this year? |
| 00:42.11 | JeffM | no, just copa |
| 00:42.16 | JeffM | the porn one |
| 00:42.21 | brlcad | hm |
| 00:42.21 | JeffM | not the data storage one |
| 00:42.37 | JeffM | as I understand it, there are 2 parts |
| 00:42.45 | JeffM | one that prevents sites from SHOWING stuff to kids |
| 00:42.53 | JeffM | and another for sites storing stuff FOR kids |
| 00:43.02 | JeffM | the showing was deemed unenforcable |
| 00:43.08 | JeffM | the storing, hasn't been touched |
| 00:43.56 | JeffM | but mostly I want to know if the little punk lied to me |
| 00:45.15 | brlcad | ahh |
| 00:45.24 | brlcad | fair nuff |
| 00:45.47 | brlcad | i'd just remembered hearing a blurb on NPR many months back, but didn't get a chance to read up on it |
| 00:46.32 | JeffM | yeah it was detremined that there are good enough filters for parents to actualy you know parent to keep them from seeing boobies. |
| 00:47.04 | JeffM | for the storing, I belive it's mostly due to the fact that we can't engage in a contract with the child, and with storing data, we tecincaly "own" it. |
| 00:47.14 | JeffM | so we need permision to store it, etc... |
| 00:47.45 | blast007 | store it all in a browser cookie ;) |
| 00:48.05 | JeffM | that may be a possible way, only store a cooke for them |
| 00:48.10 | JeffM | but then, that dons't help the posts |
| 00:48.28 | JeffM | techincaly we could also say we own the contents of the posts as well, IIRC |
| 00:50.03 | spldart | boobies... did spldart hear the word boobies? |
| 00:50.14 | JeffM | no you read it |
| 00:50.20 | JeffM | and thats enough of em |
| 00:50.22 | spldart | symantecs |
| 00:50.42 | Think_Differentl | boobies :D |
| 00:50.57 | Macrosoft | Think_Differentl: where?! |
| 00:51.09 | JeffM | yes but your atempting to drag them out of the context of the origonal comment |
| 00:51.21 | JeffM | like a 10 year old |
| 00:51.58 | spldart | I protest! I'm only 7 |
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| 00:53.36 | brlcad | pogovina, have you signed your coppa today? |
| 00:54.07 | spldart | :-X |
| 00:54.11 | Pogovina | nah, i do better. spyware ftw |
| 01:00.19 | TimRiker | ~bzfquery xmission.bzflag.org |
| 01:00.38 | TimRiker | current 2.0 svn running on xmission. |
| 01:06.55 | Macrosoft | wow, whats with this crueldog server |
| 01:06.56 | Macrosoft | ? |
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| 01:09.33 | blast007 | Macrosoft: I'm not sure, what's with it? |
| 01:10.13 | Macrosoft | blast007: nvm, i thought he had given everyone complete admin powers (scary) |
| 01:10.24 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: 03timriker * r15910 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/ (configure.ac debian/rules): missed a copyright |
| 01:10.31 | blast007 | bye Pogovina |
| 01:10.37 | spldart | bye bye lover |
| 01:10.43 | Pogovina | XD |
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| 01:11.43 | KTL | temperamental character :D |
| 01:12.15 | KTL | epyon ... its 3 in the morning ... |
| 01:12.29 | Epyon | KTL, so? :) |
| 01:12.36 | Think_Differentl | anyone want a .deb of RC1? |
| 01:12.37 | spldart | mmMMmm... spldart taps KTL's beer with his wine |
| 01:13.04 | spldart | oops |
| 01:13.10 | Epyon | That must suck. |
| 01:13.12 | spldart | wrong drinker |
| 01:13.21 | spldart | Epyon's beer is now in jeopardy |
| 01:13.29 | KTL | his breakfast |
| 01:13.58 | Epyon | Actually last supper xP |
| 01:14.11 | Epyon | Darn, that sounded so wrong 0.o |
| 01:15.33 | KTL | so the moment spldart mentions boobies his wife comes online to bring order? :D |
| 01:15.58 | bryjen | she may have been summoned |
| 01:16.31 | Epyon | ~summon wife |
| 01:16.32 | ibot | apt takes out 20 clean, identical-looking phones, some extra hands, and pretends to be a telemarketer for a large corporation, so he gets delivered a phonelist containing wife's coordinates |
| 01:16.45 | Epyon | lol |
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| 01:18.08 | KTL | uh oh |
| 01:18.09 | KTL | duck |
| 01:18.12 | Pogovina | you called, sir? |
| 01:18.20 | spldart | :) |
| 01:18.23 | Pogovina | XD |
| 01:18.54 | spldart | Nobody else has permissions with that file |
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| 01:19.01 | Pogovina | w3rd |
| 01:19.15 | brlcad | ciao Pogovina |
| 01:19.26 | spldart | make -j3 out |
| 01:19.26 | KTL | :) |
| 01:19.37 | Pogovina | :o |
| 01:19.44 | KTL | a quad cpu oe oe |
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| 01:22.19 | a_meteorite | hehe, spldart, you should be helping too, math wiz :P |
| 01:22.44 | spldart | meh.. spldart??!! a math wiz?!?! |
| 01:24.22 | KTL | uh oh http://pogovina.deviantart.com/art/Bold-AND-beautiful-Part-1-14340282 |
| 01:25.25 | a_meteorite | KTL: lol, spldart: get a leash on her! |
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| 01:26.37 | spldart | but we are getting to off topic even for me |
| 01:28.34 | Epyon | lol :P |
| 01:28.57 | KTL | argh spldart, give me a clue on the internet and i dig out ALL data possible instinctively |
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| 01:33.04 | spldart | Lookout for those vicious M's |
| 01:35.53 | spldart | hehehe |
| 01:36.00 | spldart | shutdown -h now or die |
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| 01:36.52 | Macrosoft | cool, anyone ever seen what its like with _shotSpeed 0 |
| 01:37.07 | a_meteorite | Macrosoft: tons of times, set it to a negative value too |
| 01:37.39 | Macrosoft | a_meteorite: if you set it to 0, they move the same direction you move |
| 01:38.15 | Macrosoft | if i shoot, then turn left, the shot goes left |
| 01:39.20 | Macrosoft | oh wait, i have to be moving _before_ i shoot |
| 01:40.00 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 01:40.08 | Epyon | Can I get hit by my own bullet? |
| 01:40.14 | a_meteorite | shotSpeed takes tankSpeed into account |
| 01:40.17 | a_meteorite | Epyon: yes.. |
| 01:40.26 | Epyon | I mean immidately on shot with speed 0? |
| 01:40.47 | Thumper_ | Epyon: no it hangs in front of you - you have to drive into it to die |
| 01:40.48 | a_meteorite | no, only if you start moving faster than the bullet (ie, you shot while still or half speed, then went faster) |
| 01:40.55 | Epyon | Ah no, the shot get's spawned in front |
| 01:41.01 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 01:41.03 | Epyon | yes :) |
| 01:41.17 | a_meteorite | set it to a negative value and you must drive backwards faster than than the bullet :) |
| 01:41.22 | Epyon | Kinda like bullet-time xP |
| 01:41.37 | Thumper_ | if it's negative you die. |
| 01:41.41 | Epyon | lol |
| 01:41.43 | Thumper_ | since tank speed it added |
| 01:42.18 | Epyon | Thumper_, even if you're deccelerating? |
| 01:42.18 | Thumper_ | unless you're falling really fast and can clear the bullet before it hits you |
| 01:42.21 | a_meteorite | Thumper_: not if you drive backwards |
| 01:42.36 | Epyon | accelerating backwards that is |
| 01:42.38 | a_meteorite | if you drive backwards faster than the negative bullet speed, you are OK |
| 01:42.50 | Epyon | that would be fun ^_^ |
| 01:42.55 | Epyon | And a PITA too xP |
| 01:44.41 | Macrosoft | Epyon: it is fun |
| 01:44.41 | Thumper_ | Epyon: feel free to mess around with shot speed and other server vars on the olympic server (bzflag2.norang.ca:4420) developers have /set perms on all norang.ca servers |
| 01:45.12 | Thumper_ | the server resets when it's empty (or you can just force a /shutdownserver) to make it sane again |
| 01:45.31 | Epyon | Wow :D |
| 01:45.36 | Epyon | All devs? :D |
| 01:45.40 | Thumper_ | yup |
| 01:45.47 | a_meteorite | DEVELOPERS group |
| 01:45.51 | Thumper_ | although most of them don't know it :) |
| 01:46.10 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: 03timriker * r15911 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzfs/CmdLineOptions.cxx: -help spacing |
| 01:46.45 | Epyon | That reminded me, I need to do some additional work on BZWGen tommorow -_- |
| 01:47.00 | Macrosoft | a_meteorite: is tankspeed is a factor, does that mean anytime tankspeed is higher than shot speed, i can make shots go backwards? |
| 01:47.33 | Thumper_ | Macrosoft: I think so |
| 01:48.27 | Macrosoft | yep |
| 01:48.35 | TimRiker | might end up shooting yourself in the back. |
| 01:48.49 | Macrosoft | this could make for some interesting trick shots, methinks |
| 01:49.19 | Macrosoft | especially if i set _shotsKeepVerticalVelocity to 1 |
| 01:49.40 | a_meteorite | only applicable for vertical velocity.. |
| 01:50.12 | a_meteorite | Macrosoft: and, yeah, you are very likely to shoot yourself on high tankspeed servers.. unless the shot speed is proportionally as high |
| 01:50.23 | a_meteorite | or you're careful :) |
| 01:55.58 | Macrosoft | heh, shockAdLife=99999999999 and Shockwave-on-death plugin make for some interesting bubbles of death :) |
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| 02:13.49 | TimRiker | btw... developers have local.admin on xmission.bzflag.org |
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| 04:24.36 | awilcox | More and more often, bzflag is freezing |
| 04:24.53 | awilcox | I can't seem to find a reason. it _seems_ random |
| 04:25.15 | awilcox | driving, shooting, idling, chatting, makes no difference |
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| 04:30.16 | JeffM | do you sit with your back to a door? |
| 04:32.04 | awilcox | nI don't think I do |
| 04:32.23 | awilcox | nwell, there is a door behind me, but to the left |
| 04:32.37 | JeffM | that'd do it |
| 04:32.41 | JeffM | evil spirits |
| 04:32.45 | JeffM | bad fung shue |
| 04:34.02 | awilcox | okay. So I'll play looking at a door. If it still freezes, will you provide real help? |
| 04:34.20 | JeffM | heh |
| 04:34.30 | JeffM | no help can be provided with that little info |
| 04:34.40 | JeffM | run in the debuger, break when it craps out |
| 04:35.06 | awilcox | okay. so where do you hide 2.0.8 code? |
| 04:35.21 | JeffM | excuse me? |
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| 04:35.35 | awilcox | Where can I find the 2.0.8 SVN branch? |
| 04:35.48 | awilcox | Obviously I can't run in a debugger without code. |
| 04:35.53 | JeffM | the branch? or the 2.0.8 specific tag? |
| 04:36.03 | JeffM | the branch is in the same place it's always been |
| 04:36.15 | JeffM | as mentioned in the svn wiki page |
| 04:36.17 | awilcox | The tag, I guess. |
| 04:36.23 | JeffM | run branch |
| 04:36.32 | awilcox | Oh, okay. |
| 04:36.34 | JeffM | I don't think there is anything in the tag that you need |
| 04:36.40 | JeffM | your runing a bin right now? |
| 04:36.43 | JeffM | from what distro? |
| 04:37.36 | JeffM | or you on windows right now? |
| 04:37.46 | brlcad | restore in progress |
| 04:38.00 | awilcox | Windows xp Professional [sp1a, sp2 can't run on this machine] |
| 04:38.15 | JeffM | well that seems odd right off the bat |
| 04:38.19 | JeffM | but ok |
| 04:38.22 | JeffM | use the .10 RC1 |
| 04:38.38 | awilcox | That will be the branch, right? |
| 04:38.42 | JeffM | yes |
| 04:38.44 | JeffM | built today |
| 04:38.58 | awilcox | Okay. |
| 04:39.07 | JeffM | and why won't SP2 run? you not legit? |
| 04:39.13 | awilcox | You seem like you want me to download a binary? |
| 04:39.25 | JeffM | I thought you were on linux and had built your own |
| 04:39.26 | awilcox | JeffM: this lappy just can't take it. it's OEM, so I'm legit |
| 04:39.30 | JeffM | I didn't know you are on windows |
| 04:39.48 | JeffM | what do you mean "can't take it" it's updates to the software you have.... |
| 04:40.07 | awilcox | very basic: it freezes |
| 04:40.18 | JeffM | that is an indication of a deeper problem |
| 04:40.33 | awilcox | but, the truth is, it's extremely slow and I seem to recall a DVD conflict |
| 04:40.53 | JeffM | umm ok |
| 04:40.55 | JeffM | if you say so |
| 04:41.15 | awilcox | yeah this machine seems to be falling all apart. the event viewer is full of weird errors that pull up 0 (okay, *one*) results on Google. |
| 04:41.38 | awilcox | the ONE relevant result was a bb post that never got responded to |
| 04:42.17 | JeffM | sounds more and more like a borked system |
| 04:42.33 | awilcox | yeah :/ |
| 04:42.39 | awilcox | after 4 years I think it's finally dying. |
| 04:42.41 | JeffM | but try current code |
| 04:42.48 | JeffM | or you just have a bad install |
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| 04:44.15 | awilcox | so you want me to build, or you want me to download a binary? |
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| 04:44.19 | awilcox | hello a_met |
| 04:44.20 | JeffM | try bin first |
| 04:44.28 | a_meteorite | yo |
| 04:44.30 | JeffM | if that still does it, build |
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| 04:48.40 | brlcad | restore still in progress.. |
| 04:50.27 | awilcox | JeffM: Are there some release notes for this build? |
| 04:53.44 | JeffM | changelog should be in there somewhere |
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| 05:26.15 | a_temp_dist | the RC1 still has "Version: 2.0.9.20070918-RC1-darwin8.10.1-SDL" because it's not 2.0.10 yet? |
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| 05:27.15 | DTRemenak | correct |
| 05:29.21 | tupone | Actually, as I understand, 2.0.10rc1 < 2.0.10rc2 < 2.0.10 , so it should be renamed if that can be easily followed |
| 05:30.59 | a_temp_dist | well you all probably know this, but it built fine on my intel mac |
| 05:32.04 | awilcox | JeffM: okay, um, it froze. I was shooting at someone while I was landing on a jump. |
| 05:32.24 | awilcox | it seems to be falling during jumps every time it freezes -- but it doesn't freeze every time I fall during a jump |
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| 08:21.54 | awilcox | nn retro ;) |
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| 10:04.43 | Constitution | what's the difference between SUBDIRS and DIST_SUBDIRS? |
| 10:09.12 | Constitution | and maybe someone could check and make sure I did this right? http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag?view=rev&revision=15913 |
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| 12:40.11 | brlcad | restore is complete |
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| 12:41.14 | Constitution | ~brlcad++ |
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| 12:58.38 | Tedius | Constitution, did you build 2.0.10 on a Mac? |
| 13:00.33 | Constitution | Tedius: I have, yes |
| 13:01.39 | Tedius | hmm, I'm on PPC, it doesn't seem to like the MacPlatformFactory.cxx |
| 13:01.51 | Constitution | what's the error? |
| 13:01.57 | Tedius | cannot allocate an object of abstract type 'MacWindow' |
| 13:02.04 | Constitution | heh |
| 13:02.10 | Constitution | pastebin the whole thing, please |
| 13:02.36 | Constitution | Also, what OS X version and GCC version? |
| 13:04.03 | Tedius | 10.4.10 and powerpc-apple-darwin8-gcc-4.0.1 |
| 13:05.17 | Tedius | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/701841 |
| 13:05.47 | Constitution | do you have SDL? |
| 13:05.52 | Tedius | no.... |
| 13:05.56 | Tedius | should I? |
| 13:06.00 | Constitution | ah... yeah |
| 13:06.18 | Constitution | grab the SDL.framework and install that |
| 13:06.43 | Constitution | then ./autogen.sh again, re-./configure, and try make again |
| 13:07.02 | Tedius | aye aye, cap'n |
| 13:07.42 | Constitution | aaaarrr, matey :) |
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| 14:41.15 | delusional | latest wave of cheaters seems to have subsided, they were starting to become a little annoying for a few days. must have been a back to school thing. |
| 14:44.02 | Macrosoft | i never saw much cheating. what servers were they on? |
| 14:46.26 | delusional | we saw a few at mofo |
| 14:47.04 | Macrosoft | i guess they all like the same servers |
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| 15:00.32 | brlcad | Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum! |
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| 16:39.25 | ahs3 | Sorry to interupt. I have this great idea for a new type of game play, A Rogue CTF, 1 base and 1 Rogue flag that spawns away from the base. The Rogue fight for the flag to capture, The capturing rogue would get a team point and all the other rogue die. Just a passing thought. 1. Is it Possible. 2. Is it playable. Thanks for listening |
| 16:41.28 | blast007 | sounds like HTF |
| 16:41.42 | ahs3 | hmm, HTF? |
| 16:43.27 | blast007 | ahs3: go search the forums a bit |
| 16:43.53 | blast007 | it's not an official game mode, but it involves a team of players trying to capture a single flag (their own) |
| 16:44.09 | blast007 | they get individual scores based on that capture |
| 16:44.21 | blast007 | and when someone captures, they all die |
| 16:44.53 | ahs3 | ah, i see I will search the forums. Thanks |
| 16:45.18 | blast007 | http://web.archive.org/web/20050319154008/ist.baat.dk/htf_home/ |
| 16:45.26 | blast007 | (used to be an HTF league) |
| 16:45.42 | blast007 | but the About HTF paragraph there explains a bit about it |
| 16:45.58 | ahs3 | k |
| 16:46.19 | blast007 | there is a HoldTheFlag plugin as well |
| 16:46.22 | blast007 | http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/plugins/HoldTheFlag/ |
| 16:46.31 | ahs3 | nice |
| 16:48.00 | ahs3 | Thanks blast I will give that a go. |
| 16:48.05 | blast007 | np |
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| 18:04.06 | TheRedBaron | has a player named: "NightMare" been causing trouble lately? |
| 18:04.30 | ruskie | hmm |
| 18:04.49 | TheRedBaron | I'm not affiliating him with "Knightmare" |
| 18:05.03 | ruskie | does ring a bell... |
| 18:05.37 | TheRedBaron | knightmare was a troll/cheater/general disturber of the peace |
| 18:06.57 | JeffM | so was nightmare |
| 18:07.36 | TheRedBaron | knightmare coded his on hacks and probably knew how to run a server. Nightmare has no clue how |
| 18:07.42 | TheRedBaron | *own |
| 18:07.45 | JeffM | indeed |
| 18:07.49 | JeffM | just a kid |
| 18:09.26 | TheRedBaron | ok, they are two different entities |
| 18:09.33 | JeffM | yes |
| 18:09.45 | JeffM | not to say they both arn't jerks :) |
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| 18:11.10 | TheRedBaron | knightmare's a jerk, among some other colorful adjectives |
| 18:11.33 | TheRedBaron | nightmare just seems to be an incredibly dumb, and hopefully will one day grow out of it |
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| 18:26.43 | randomparticle | where can i download a bzflag tank model in a format that blender will accept, please? |
| 18:30.30 | brlcad | woo hoo! http://www.ohloh.net/projects/189/enlistments |
| 18:32.51 | JeffM | randomparticle, you an obj work for you? |
| 18:33.10 | randomparticle | it might |
| 18:33.41 | purple_cow | brlcad: finally |
| 18:33.52 | brlcad | at the rate it's going, it's going to take approximately 3.6 hours to complete the history downloading |
| 18:34.15 | brlcad | and then however longer for them to run their stats |
| 18:34.46 | Erroneous | ~brlcad++ |
| 18:35.11 | brlcad | assuming we don't run into some other problem of course |
| 18:36.00 | JeffM | randomparticle, http://my.bzflag.org/resources/models/Tank.obj |
| 18:36.09 | randomparticle | will give it a go. thank you very much, jeffm |
| 18:36.34 | JeffM | it dosn't have the treads |
| 18:36.41 | randomparticle | ok |
| 18:36.45 | JeffM | but it's the game accurate tank, exported from the code |
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| 18:39.53 | JeffM | donny_baker, is there a way to turn off the edit capachia for known good users? |
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| 18:42.22 | brlcad | it should only be prompting when the submission contains urls |
| 18:42.35 | brlcad | or other potential content |
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| 18:45.48 | randomparticle | ok. it's in blender and looking good. thanks again |
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| 18:58.24 | KTL | mmm should have had that obj when i was working on my raytracerrr |
| 19:30.29 | TheRedBaron | blast007: but then you stopped taking LSD ? |
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| 19:36.27 | blast007 | TheRedBaron: yeah, exactly, how'd you know? |
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| 19:55.33 | TheRedBaron | blast007: There's just something about a spinning bztank... |
| 20:04.11 | blast007 | :) |
| 20:31.07 | Macrosoft | Erroneous: http://mdk0.servegame.com/tank.png |
| 20:31.37 | Erroneous | Macrosoft: and...? |
| 20:31.47 | Winny | Macrosoft: ? |
| 20:31.55 | Macrosoft | why is it sideways in the .obj? |
| 20:32.05 | Winny | are we suppost to hug him for learning to open wings? |
| 20:32.13 | Winny | Macrosoft: Y and Z are inverted in wings. |
| 20:32.26 | Macrosoft | Winny: im using blender |
| 20:32.42 | Winny | exactly, that tank came from wings, I think. |
| 20:32.48 | Erroneous | it's actually bzflag that has y and z inverted |
| 20:32.58 | Erroneous | z-up vs z-in |
| 20:33.00 | Winny | Erroneous: Z is so up. |
| 20:33.25 | Erroneous | only in the real world, Winny |
| 20:33.34 | Erroneous | in screen space, y is up |
| 20:33.39 | Erroneous | so z takes depth |
| 20:42.04 | donny_baker | JeffM, brlcad : The reCaptcha plugin only prompts on New user registration, anonymous edits that contain *NEW* external links, and failed login attempts to stop brute force attacks |
| 20:42.27 | donny_baker | JeffM: one option that is available is a white-list for know good urls |
| 20:43.30 | donny_baker | it takes a regex expression (which I suck at) and any urls that match do not trigger the rule for new external links |
| 20:44.02 | JeffM | donny_baker, make any bzflag.org domain be ok |
| 20:44.03 | donny_baker | it never prompts users who are logged in |
| 20:44.13 | JeffM | yes it does |
| 20:44.18 | donny_baker | yeah, thats what I was thinking |
| 20:44.23 | JeffM | it prompted me, when I was loged in |
| 20:44.27 | JeffM | and I added a link |
| 20:44.48 | donny_baker | it shouldn't... and I just looked at the settings, let me try it |
| 20:45.09 | JeffM | i added the link to the tank model on the tank page, it promted |
| 20:45.13 | JeffM | and I was loge din |
| 20:49.15 | donny_baker | hmm, strange, I just added a link to our corporate website and then removed it and wasn't prompted |
| 20:49.31 | donny_baker | maybe it doesn't trust you :P |
| 20:50.14 | donny_baker | i'll add the whitelist though, those bzflag.org should always be safe |
| 20:50.16 | retro | rich, I took a look at the performance of the QDQ2 with the Lauterbach The animations are sluggish, so I was busy rolling the trackball while I took measurements. We are spending about 30% of the time in mddi_queue_image. |
| 20:50.44 | retro | We're also spending about 25% of the time in idle, so java is also not working as hard is it could |
| 20:50.57 | retro | tap thinks there may be confusion about time |
| 20:50.59 | JeffM | retro, what are you talking about? |
| 20:51.20 | retro | oh jesus, wrong channel! :-) |
| 20:51.23 | JeffM | :) |
| 20:51.37 | retro | thanks for alerting me before I said something I shouldn't have. :-) |
| 20:51.59 | JeffM | heh |
| 20:53.38 | JeffM | jesus is everywhere |
| 20:53.50 | JeffM | just like elvis |
| 20:56.17 | bryjen | oh, JeffM, the case thing yesterday was a warning thing. alternatively, adding a default: would've worked, iirc |
| 20:56.24 | JeffM | ok |
| 20:56.34 | JeffM | default is probably the best thing to do in those cases |
| 20:56.40 | JeffM | in case we add more enums later |
| 20:56.47 | JeffM | but odd that it would warn |
| 20:56.54 | JeffM | it's not like vars arn't being unset |
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| 21:05.12 | brlcad | donny_baker: probably any url that has .*bzflag.* |
| 21:05.40 | brlcad | don't think I've seen a single spam that actually created a bz-specific url |
| 21:05.51 | donny_baker | true |
| 21:06.21 | brlcad | that'll take care of .net, .com, .bz, .biz, etc |
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| 21:27.30 | JeffM | I didn't od it! |
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| 21:28.54 | donny_baker | Erroneous: was only broke for 3 seconds |
| 21:29.12 | Erroneous | figures that that 3 seconds was the time I tried to edit a page :P |
| 21:29.14 | donny_baker | was missing an ';' :P |
| 21:29.39 | Erroneous | 'tis all cool though, good to see it being worked on |
| 21:29.55 | Erroneous | ~donny_baker++ |
| 21:31.33 | brlcad | thank goodness he didn't octal dump it |
| 21:32.56 | Constitution | what's the difference between SUBDIRS and DIST_SUBDIRS in Makefile.am's? |
| 21:33.08 | JeffM | 4 letters and an underscore |
| 21:33.22 | JeffM | and IIRC, the fact that dist is used to pack up tarbals |
| 21:34.30 | Constitution | okay, well somehow the makefile.am's in plugins/plugin_utils didn't include the header files or the VC71 dir, so those files didn't make it into the RC1 tarball (like someone posted on the forums) |
| 21:34.33 | Constitution | so I did this: http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag?view=rev&revision=15913 |
| 21:34.54 | JeffM | does it work? |
| 21:35.05 | Constitution | it appears to :) |
| 21:35.10 | JeffM | cool |
| 21:35.23 | tupone | SUBDIRS is to go in the subdir and do it everything he has too. DIST_SUBDIRS, it goes there only for make dist (mainly). Actually this difference is used if the dirs you want to build into are not always the same |
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| 21:36.01 | Constitution | hm... so it was correct to use "SUBDIRS = VC71" in plugins/plugin_utils/Makefile.am? |
| 21:38.01 | Constitution | well actually, it sounds like from what tupone is saying, DIST_SUBDIRS would have been more appropriate |
| 21:38.16 | Constitution | 'cause nothing's actually built in there :) |
| 21:46.34 | Erroneous | DIST_SUBDIRS is correct. SUBDIRS will work but is not necessary |
| 21:56.32 | Constitution | hmm, CIA bot still broken |
| 21:56.54 | JeffM | just lagged probably |
| 21:58.02 | Constitution | CIA stats show nothing from today (US time)... I wonder if brlcad disabled it or something when he was fixing the repo |
| 21:58.15 | JeffM | possibly |
| 21:58.36 | brlcad | nah, CIA has been hosered/lagging massively since yesterday |
| 21:59.06 | brlcad | ooh, BUT .. we may not have our commit hooks any more |
| 21:59.13 | brlcad | true true dat |
| 21:59.57 | brlcad | hm, there's still there |
| 22:01.04 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r15916 10/trunk/bzflag/README: cia test |
| 22:01.09 | brlcad | eh |
| 22:02.14 | brlcad | so, JeffM Erroneous interested in going to the summit on the 6th? If so lemme know as I think I have to do something to get you an invite sent |
| 22:02.23 | JeffM | sure |
| 22:02.42 | brlcad | they cover travel and lodging for a night |
| 22:02.53 | JeffM | remburse kinda thing? |
| 22:03.13 | Erroneous | and sure, I'll go |
| 22:03.59 | brlcad | they pay for the hotel as-is afaik, and will reimburse the flight via western union when you give them a copy of the receipt |
| 22:04.21 | JeffM | not too shabby |
| 22:04.38 | JeffM | first class all the way :) |
| 22:04.38 | brlcad | woulda been a really good way to ship tupone to the US had he mentored this year :) |
| 22:04.46 | JeffM | yeah woulda |
| 22:04.51 | JeffM | he didn't want to? |
| 22:05.02 | brlcad | he had that month+ long business trip |
| 22:05.05 | JeffM | ahh |
| 22:05.31 | JeffM | techincaly I wasn't one of the mentors on any of the active projects |
| 22:05.34 | JeffM | that got picked |
| 22:07.56 | brlcad | it fills in with our "we all mentored" approach though |
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| 22:21.19 | Winny | brlcad: when is this "postmortem" coming out? |
| 22:24.42 | brlcad | talk to the publisher, they're not too quick to respond |
| 22:27.50 | Winny | OT Question: can "Sasha" be a girl and boy name? |
| 22:28.49 | brlcad | yeah |
| 22:29.06 | Winny | tannerld: ^ |
| 22:29.12 | tannerld | I can read... |
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| 22:29.55 | brlcad | i've known a guy sasha |
| 22:29.57 | Winny | gotta love americans... |
| 22:30.01 | CBG` | tannerld: poopstick can be a boys name, ffs... so of course Sasha can be. |
| 22:30.03 | brlcad | eurodude |
| 22:30.10 | Winny | yeah, Sasha Baron Cohen AKA borat... |
| 22:30.36 | CBG` | "in Eastern Europe this name is predominantly given to male children" |
| 22:30.38 | Winny | anyways, sorry for the OT ;) |
| 22:30.48 | brlcad | technically, i think his name is Sacha |
| 22:30.51 | brlcad | but yeah |
| 22:31.19 | Winny | meh |
| 22:31.45 | brlcad | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sasha_%28name%29 |
| 22:31.55 | CBG` | brlcad: yeah.. ;) |
| 22:33.57 | brlcad | heh, our enlistment is about 60% complete .. that 3.6 hour estimate was a bit optimistic |
| 22:33.59 | Macrosoft | CBG`: why wait? |
| 22:34.36 | CBG` | Macrosoft: because I am a little tired... enrolled at uni today, then worked for 4 hours. |
| 22:35.27 | brlcad | at the slower rate it's going now, it'll be about 10 hours total to enlist, finishing around midnight EDT |
| 22:35.34 | brlcad | 5 hours from now or so |
| 22:36.04 | Macrosoft | CBG`: yeah, i guess it would be bad if you passed out while setting the root password with your face hitting the keyboard |
| 22:36.18 | CBG` | Assuming I get that far... |
| 22:36.41 | CBG` | Oh what the heck... |
| 22:37.05 | Macrosoft | *passes out* password set to "f785fG*)^RFp9u'oug^%&(Ihybv" |
| 22:37.20 | tannerld | don't you have to enter it twice? |
| 22:37.24 | tannerld | :P |
| 22:37.34 | Macrosoft | tannerld: you just had to ruin the fun, huh |
| 22:37.40 | Macrosoft | :D |
| 22:37.42 | CBG` | Very secure. |
| 22:37.43 | tannerld | Macrosoft: yep :) |
| 22:37.48 | CBG` | oops.. |
| 22:37.54 | tannerld | lol |
| 22:38.07 | Macrosoft | similar |
| 22:40.37 | CBG` | ugh. |
| 22:41.20 | CBG` | If the partition step works and the boot loader installs... should be fine. |
| 22:41.39 | CBG` | I'm installing to the internal HD now, rather than an external... hope that'll work. |
| 22:43.59 | CBG` | Dagnabbit. Need to partition the HD beforehand... :( |
| 22:44.20 | tannerld | no partician set up in the install? |
| 22:46.00 | CBG` | It doesn't recognise the empty space within the Mac OS file system... It wants actual "Free Space". :( |
| 22:46.46 | CBG` | Could boot from the backup and repartition... :| |
| 22:46.59 | tannerld | bleh |
| 22:47.19 | Macrosoft | yeah, it demands it's own partition, but the swap partition can be shared with other OS'es |
| 22:47.41 | Macrosoft | i use the samw swap part. for ubuntu and openSUSE |
| 22:47.44 | Macrosoft | *same |
| 22:48.52 | Macrosoft | in "zone" is size x y z the distance from the center of the zone, or the distance from one side of it to the other? |
| 22:49.04 | CBG` | same as a box |
| 22:49.06 | JeffM | brlcad, saturos is going to make you a new image for the DMG folder. |
| 22:49.13 | JeffM | in the next day or so, for .10 |
| 22:49.22 | CBG` | from centre of the bottom to a corner on the bottom... |
| 22:49.38 | Macrosoft | ok |
| 22:50.57 | Macrosoft | so size 50 50 3 would occupy a 100x100x3 area? |
| 22:51.16 | CBG` | yes. |
| 22:51.25 | JeffM | just like box sizes, it's always +- the size in X and Y |
| 22:54.32 | Winny | in one word: radius (sorta) |
| 22:54.41 | brlcad | k |
| 22:54.52 | CBG` | l |
| 22:55.03 | Macrosoft | o |
| 22:55.16 | CBG` | where's m and n ? |
| 22:55.24 | tannerld | darn |
| 22:55.28 | tannerld | macrosoft doesn't have a n in it :P |
| 22:55.34 | CBG` | lol |
| 22:56.45 | JeffM | I also forgot that the flag in the logo has 2.0.8 in it, we'll need a new one for .10 too |
| 22:56.55 | JeffM | or maybe another logo |
| 22:57.16 | JeffM | kinda like the one we have, tho not too keen on the font |
| 22:57.19 | Winny | JeffM: want one :O |
| 22:57.25 | JeffM | only if it's good |
| 22:57.30 | Winny | k |
| 22:57.53 | CBG` | I make bad ones for free! |
| 22:58.04 | Winny | whats the PNG called for the title image? |
| 22:58.04 | JeffM | we can get good ones for free too |
| 22:58.18 | JeffM | the name of the image is in your sentance ;) |
| 22:58.22 | tannerld | Winny: isn't that the last of youur worries? |
| 22:58.27 | Winny | JeffM: just noticed :p |
| 22:58.41 | Winny | is 512x128 a requirement? |
| 22:58.46 | JeffM | yes |
| 22:58.51 | JeffM | it must be a drop in |
| 22:58.55 | Winny | k |
| 22:59.09 | JeffM | and keep it simple |
| 22:59.12 | Macrosoft | Winny: and no goatse either |
| 22:59.22 | JeffM | Macrosoft, why do you have to go there? |
| 22:59.52 | Winny | Macrosoft: wtf? |
| 22:59.55 | JeffM | only if it's good |
| 23:00.01 | JeffM | but I like our logo |
| 23:00.09 | JeffM | I'm just not hot on the font |
| 23:00.10 | Erroneous | if it"s good, keep it around for 2.2 |
| 23:00.16 | JeffM | fair nuf |
| 23:00.16 | Macrosoft | you could just change the number |
| 23:00.27 | JeffM | Macrosoft, that would be what I said at first |
| 23:00.39 | Winny | read, think, write |
| 23:01.05 | Erroneous | , reread, think, send |
| 23:01.05 | JeffM | I could go for a small update of our logo with a non star trek font |
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| 23:01.16 | JeffM | simiar in style |
| 23:01.19 | tannerld | and then correct for spelling errors |
| 23:01.21 | JeffM | a thin blocky font |
| 23:02.02 | Winny | JeffM: im working on something, can I change the tanks? |
| 23:02.06 | JeffM | no |
| 23:02.13 | Erroneous | if you didn't like it, you shouldn't have checked it in the first time ;) |
| 23:02.14 | JeffM | oh in the lgo |
| 23:02.15 | JeffM | sure |
| 23:02.18 | JeffM | do whatver you want |
| 23:02.28 | JeffM | Erroneous, it was better then what we had before :) |
| 23:02.37 | JeffM | the font isnt' a deal breaker for me, just a nit to pick |
| 23:03.24 | Erroneous | not all nits must be picked for a little bugfix revision :) |
| 23:03.35 | JeffM | indeed |
| 23:03.43 | Macrosoft | here you go :p http://mdk0.servegame.com/bzflag_alt.png |
| 23:03.48 | JeffM | I was simply expressing my nit |
| 23:04.01 | JeffM | Macrosoft, dude, be serious |
| 23:04.03 | Winny | Macrosoft: someone gouge out my eyes |
| 23:04.04 | Erroneous | lovely wordpicture, JeffM |
| 23:04.27 | JeffM | :) |
| 23:04.40 | JeffM | or just put Macrosoft on channel ignore |
| 23:06.01 | Winny | going to cut a lawn... bb in a few. |
| 23:06.07 | Winny | s/lawn/ditch |
| 23:06.13 | Erroneous | meh, couldn't care less actually |
| 23:06.18 | JeffM | cus we changed logos at 2.0.6 ;) |
| 23:06.22 | tannerld | Winny: cut a ditch? |
| 23:06.29 | JeffM | and IIRC every other version of 2.0.x |
| 23:06.29 | Erroneous | well the old one did suck :) |
| 23:06.35 | JeffM | see ;) |
| 23:06.40 | Erroneous | I yelled about it at least once too |
| 23:06.45 | Winny | tannerld: ditch: the thing by the street that the water goes through |
| 23:06.49 | Winny | the deperssion in the ground. |
| 23:06.50 | JeffM | I don't count .8 as a real version, it was just a fast fix of .6 |
| 23:07.05 | tannerld | Winny: gutter? :P |
| 23:07.08 | Winny | uh |
| 23:07.09 | Winny | no. |
| 23:07.14 | JeffM | so yeah, if somone comes up with a super WOW logo, I'll take a look at it. |
| 23:07.38 | Erroneous | and really it's pretty bikeshed. if people really want it changed I'm not gonna revert it or anything, I just think it's stupid to change the logo every release |
| 23:07.58 | JeffM | depends, it can be fun :) |
| 23:08.09 | JeffM | but yeah there is something to be set for consistency |
| 23:08.10 | Erroneous | that's what we have release names for ;) |
| 23:08.36 | JeffM | it may be interesting to have the name in the logo, but that'd suck for localisation |
| 23:09.03 | Macrosoft | JeffM: has the name been decided yet? |
| 23:09.09 | JeffM | nope |
| 23:09.17 | JeffM | traditionaly we decide the day of release |
| 23:09.21 | Macrosoft | ok |
| 23:09.35 | JeffM | this time we are actualy THINKING about it before tho |
| 23:09.54 | Macrosoft | bzflag 2.0.10 "404: name not found |
| 23:09.57 | JeffM | a huge leap in forsight for us |
| 23:10.01 | Macrosoft | *" |
| 23:10.02 | JeffM | no, that's just stupid |
| 23:10.19 | JeffM | "never say never", "do we have to" are good ones |
| 23:10.28 | JeffM | tannerld, what new shots? |
| 23:10.40 | JeffM | are you thinking of 2.1? |
| 23:10.42 | tannerld | oh, bleh, wait wrong version |
| 23:10.43 | tannerld | yeah |
| 23:10.45 | JeffM | 2.0.10 |
| 23:11.01 | JeffM | "the release that never ends" is too long |
| 23:11.24 | JeffM | I like that one as well |
| 23:11.44 | JeffM | the wiki page for the release has a list |
| 23:11.48 | Erroneous | JeffM: do you still have the original for http://my.bzflag.org/w/Image:Tank_sizes.png ? it has the wrong number for height (tank height is 2.05 not 2.08 units) |
| 23:12.05 | JeffM | I may, but I dont' know where |
| 23:12.15 | JeffM | what's the history say for the IP it was uploaded at? |
| 23:12.47 | JeffM | probalby did it at home |
| 23:12.47 | Erroneous | doesn't (suppose I could dig through the changes table though) |
| 23:12.52 | Erroneous | just gives your username |
| 23:12.58 | JeffM | remind me when I get home and I'll check for it |
| 23:13.06 | JeffM | febuary.. wow |
| 23:13.11 | brlcad | hehe, Macrosoft that's horrible :) |
| 23:13.29 | JeffM | that may have been before I gave up photoshop here, let me check the drive |
| 23:13.30 | Erroneous | 10am monday morning? not thinking at home for that one ;) |
| 23:13.52 | JeffM | I may have called in sick that day |
| 23:14.15 | Erroneous | nope, you were off the 16th |
| 23:14.20 | Erroneous | but not the 19th |
| 23:14.27 | JeffM | I just haven't had full photoshop here in a while |
| 23:14.36 | JeffM | you keep track of when I don't come to work? |
| 23:14.56 | Erroneous | searched mail for subject = Jeff |
| 23:15.06 | Erroneous | izzy sends emails saying who's here |
| 23:15.22 | JeffM | ahh |
| 23:15.25 | Erroneous | and I keep ALL my emails :) |
| 23:15.29 | JeffM | lets see what tank.psd has in it |
| 23:15.33 | CBG` | Dear Diary, Jeff is away again... lazy bugger... Probably playing games all day... :( |
| 23:15.39 | brlcad | JeffM: i'm asking them about you now, I checked and there was a note about only sending folks with assigned students |
| 23:15.52 | JeffM | k |
| 23:16.02 | brlcad | there was a follow-up, though, that sounded to clarify it more relaxed, so I suspet it shouldn't be a problem |
| 23:16.08 | Erroneous | wasn't JeffM an org admin? |
| 23:16.18 | JeffM | tecincaly I did more mentoring then those that were assigned, but I can understand |
| 23:16.19 | brlcad | he was the backup org admin |
| 23:16.21 | Erroneous | yeah |
| 23:16.25 | brlcad | yeah, I mentioned that |
| 23:16.27 | JeffM | and I was assigned to a student |
| 23:16.34 | JeffM | that proejct just didn't make it |
| 23:16.40 | brlcad | you were? |
| 23:16.46 | JeffM | yeah one of them IIRC |
| 23:16.51 | brlcad | oh, right, didn't make the slot cut |
| 23:16.52 | JeffM | before the "cut" |
| 23:17.34 | brlcad | yeah, nah .. I *really* don't think they'll mind especially given what I wrote (basically said just what you did, backup admin, more mentoring than anyone, etc) |
| 23:17.42 | JeffM | I don't think I have it, but it's an easy mod |
| 23:17.50 | brlcad | but since their paying our bills, I figured it'd be polite to ask |
| 23:18.12 | JeffM | more complaining, don't know about mentoring ;) |
| 23:18.14 | Erroneous | it's just a bit of misinformation that keeps getting spread around |
| 23:18.24 | brlcad | don't know if either of you are watching the mailing list |
| 23:18.32 | JeffM | Erroneous, whats 0.03 units between friends ;) |
| 23:18.32 | brlcad | but there is a pizza party on saturday evening |
| 23:18.44 | Erroneous | oddly enough, the only one I've been watching is the students list |
| 23:18.54 | brlcad | they only pay for the one night (fri night) at the hotel so anything else is on our dime |
| 23:18.56 | CBG` | still 0.03u :) |
| 23:19.08 | brlcad | as is the $30 cab ride from the airport i believe :) |
| 23:19.11 | Erroneous | JeffM: way too little personal space, if you ask me ;) |
| 23:19.47 | brlcad | they also suggest arriving early on friday so we can get a chance to mingle with the other mentors and have dinner |
| 23:19.50 | JeffM | wonder what font that is |
| 23:20.11 | JeffM | brlcad, I can get a car. |
| 23:20.17 | JeffM | one day on a car ain't bad |
| 23:20.40 | brlcad | Arrrr.. :-) http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20829611/ |
| 23:21.18 | brlcad | JeffM: cool |
| 23:21.19 | tannerld | brlcad: they keep track? |
| 23:21.23 | brlcad | i hear folks carpool too |
| 23:21.28 | brlcad | tannerld: hm? |
| 23:21.31 | brlcad | keep track of what? |
| 23:22.11 | tannerld | brlcad: of who invented the smiley and when |
| 23:24.42 | JeffM | Erroneous, you looking at the size of the hit box? or the actual tank sizes? |
| 23:24.54 | JeffM | IIRC I got mine from the bbox of the model in an editor |
| 23:25.03 | JeffM | the hit box is not the same as the model |
| 23:25.18 | Erroneous | collision sizes iirc (_tankHeight) |
| 23:25.30 | JeffM | then that is not what I refrence |
| 23:25.36 | Erroneous | they ought to match |
| 23:25.38 | JeffM | my image is the raw geometric size |
| 23:25.42 | JeffM | they don't |
| 23:25.45 | Erroneous | they ought to |
| 23:25.51 | JeffM | the barel sticks out too |
| 23:25.55 | JeffM | then fix the code, or the model ;) |
| 23:26.12 | JeffM | but in your drop box is a new image if you want it. |
| 23:26.18 | Erroneous | hrmph |
| 23:26.24 | JeffM | I don't thik the image shoudl lie about the geometry ;) |
| 23:27.15 | JeffM | you should add another image that shows the actual hit box |
| 23:27.20 | Erroneous | yeah |
| 23:27.21 | JeffM | that'd be usefull |
| 23:27.45 | JeffM | well the hit wierd croped sphere. |
| 23:28.05 | Erroneous | iirc collision is a real box |
| 23:28.10 | JeffM | nope |
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| 23:28.22 | JeffM | it used to be a cyldider |
| 23:28.24 | Erroneous | not hit |
| 23:28.27 | Erroneous | collision |
| 23:28.29 | JeffM | ahh |
| 23:28.32 | JeffM | yeah collision is a box |
| 23:28.37 | JeffM | hit used to be a cyldiner |
| 23:28.38 | Erroneous | and that's what mappers care about |
| 23:28.43 | Erroneous | yeah, hit was funky |
| 23:28.45 | JeffM | now it's something ewierd |
| 23:28.47 | Erroneous | hit is still funky |
| 23:28.52 | brlcad | maybe it's Erroneous that has the wrong number! |
| 23:29.01 | JeffM | both numbers are right |
| 23:29.08 | Erroneous | my number is in the source code :) |
| 23:29.09 | JeffM | just not talking about the same thing ;) |
| 23:29.09 | brlcad | or it's just changed in the code at some point :) |
| 23:29.35 | brlcad | you have access to shellshock btw |
| 23:29.40 | Erroneous | yeah, I fixed it |
| 23:29.40 | JeffM | my guess is the value was hardcoded with some version of the model, then the model got updated. |
| 23:29.55 | Erroneous | since they refer to tank length as 6.0, that's the collision box size |
| 23:29.59 | brlcad | that was our "shrinking tanks" release |
| 23:30.10 | JeffM | actualy the tank is biger |
| 23:30.22 | brlcad | that was our "!shrinking tanks" release |
| 23:30.32 | JeffM | Erroneous, do you want me to fix the geometry in trunk? |
| 23:31.03 | Erroneous | height and stuff doesn't matter much. I'm more curious about muzzle height though |
| 23:31.20 | Erroneous | there's a 1.6 number floating around, but shots are spawned at 1.57 |
| 23:34.43 | Erroneous | is 1.6 from the model? |
| 23:36.06 | Erroneous | and iirc, the model itself is scaled to fit the bounding box (i.e. changing _tankWidth will make the tank visibly fatter). is this done directly, or proportionally? |
| 23:36.34 | JeffM | that'd be what? center of the barrel? |
| 23:36.50 | Erroneous | center of the front of the barrel, yeah |
| 23:37.00 | JeffM | the 2.08 seems to be a mistake in the hardcoding of the hightank model only |
| 23:37.20 | JeffM | the side bits go up to .05 but the caps are coded at .08 |
| 23:37.28 | JeffM | and the low and med only go to 05 |
| 23:37.34 | Erroneous | interesting |
| 23:37.57 | JeffM | so I'm guessing it was what ever editor he used had some issues when doing a mod to hightank |
| 23:38.04 | JeffM | I've got it fixed in trunk |
| 23:38.25 | Erroneous | k...so the image should be changed? |
| 23:38.35 | JeffM | once I commit |
| 23:39.02 | JeffM | the fan at the front fo the barrel goes from 1.41 to 1.660 |
| 23:39.06 | JeffM | in Z |
| 23:39.36 | JeffM | with versts at 1.44, 1.53, 1.62 |
| 23:39.37 | Erroneous | heh, 1.535 center |
| 23:40.17 | JeffM | you want's I should mod hightank in branch? |
| 23:40.31 | Winny | JeffM: do we need a flag with "BZFlag.verion.number" on it? |
| 23:41.01 | JeffM | Winny, yes that would be nice |
| 23:41.04 | Winny | bleh |
| 23:41.06 | JeffM | or at least something showing versions |
| 23:41.25 | Winny | hard to make the flag not look like crap and/or paper |
| 23:41.26 | JeffM | the version is a good thing to have there, few know to look at the chat text |
| 23:41.32 | JeffM | then don't use a flag |
| 23:41.38 | JeffM | it's your art, do what you wish |
| 23:41.45 | Erroneous | I dunno. I think they should match, but I'm not sure everything is done at the center either. |
| 23:42.04 | JeffM | Erroneous, it won't match old clients |
| 23:42.10 | JeffM | and the risk of breakage is small ;) |
| 23:42.20 | Erroneous | 'bout .04 small? :) |
| 23:42.24 | brlcad | JeffM: got a green light, you're good |
| 23:42.33 | JeffM | so I get a flight then |
| 23:42.47 | JeffM | what time you geting there? |
| 23:42.56 | JeffM | and how much will they pay for a flight? |
| 23:43.01 | brlcad | I have to send you two invites to their wiki thing, you have to add yourself to the wiki and then you can get to the registration thing |
| 23:43.11 | brlcad | i've not booked yet |
| 23:43.22 | brlcad | they pay up to 500 for US flights |
| 23:43.38 | JeffM | wow |
| 23:43.48 | JeffM | so Erroneous and I can go first class :) |
| 23:43.57 | brlcad | they pay like up to 1500 for international (and most are international from what I've seen) |
| 23:44.00 | Erroneous | sure, go ahead and tweak it. I think it'll be safe. gonna have to test it and make sure it looks ok though. |
| 23:44.14 | JeffM | Erroneous, I did it for trunk, but CIA didn't get it |
| 23:44.22 | Erroneous | yeah, CIA missed a bunch of stuff today |
| 23:46.26 | brlcad | last year's attendees: http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4778/2884/1600/GSoCMentorSummitStairs.jpg |
| 23:46.31 | brlcad | http://www.red-bean.com/ospowiki/MentorSummitGroupPhoto |
| 23:48.05 | brlcad | i'll probably arrive mid-day friday and return sometime sunday |
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| 23:51.37 | Winny | JeffM et al: http://bzfusion.net/bzflag.org/options.jpg |
| 23:52.24 | Winny | (look at the layout, don;t look at the font yet :P) |
| 23:52.36 | Winny | havent found one that looks good |
| 23:52.58 | tannerld | 4th is the best uot of the 4 |
| 23:53.03 | tannerld | teleporter blocks the words |
| 23:54.37 | JeffM | the teleporter is bad |
| 23:54.47 | JeffM | blocking the text == bad |
| 23:54.49 | Winny | http://bzfusion.net/bzflag.org/diff-font.jpg |
| 23:54.50 | TimRiker | Winny: can you put the teleporter behind the text? |
| 23:54.57 | JeffM | those mountans arn't in this version |
| 23:55.14 | JeffM | and the font is crap |
| 23:55.15 | Winny | JeffM: so? who said those tanks are as well? |
| 23:55.24 | Winny | "<Winny> (look at the layout, don;t look at the font yet :P)" |
| 23:55.38 | JeffM | the tanks overlap a bit too much as well |
| 23:55.43 | JeffM | but are more subtle then that porter |
| 23:55.49 | Winny | in which version? |
| 23:55.52 | JeffM | also the perspecitve just looks wrong too |
| 23:55.57 | JeffM | behind could be intersteing |
| 23:56.09 | Winny | uh, its like, the same perspective as the old one. |
| 23:56.10 | brlcad | the last one looks the better |
| 23:56.20 | brlcad | otherwise it looks like BZ lag |
| 23:56.22 | JeffM | yes the last one is the best of all |
| 23:56.29 | JeffM | faten up the font |
| 23:56.31 | Winny | brlcad: last one in the first image, or last image? |
| 23:56.34 | CBG` | or B Flag (2) |
| 23:56.54 | JeffM | maybe rotate the tanks a little flatter, and overlap them |
| 23:57.11 | brlcad | the last one looks a bit too much like it's emphasizing "lag" as-is too |
| 23:57.13 | JeffM | it's a good logo concept for 2.2 with the new moutnans |
| 23:57.31 | JeffM | for .10 probalby best to stick with what we got as Erroneous said |
| 23:58.18 | Winny | heh |
| 23:58.32 | CBG` | == joo sux Winny |
| 23:58.42 | Winny | CBG`: thx |
| 23:58.54 | CBG` | surethingnoprobbabes |
| 23:59.04 | JeffM | now, I'd not mind that look for the site logo |
| 23:59.21 | Winny | JeffM: http://bzfusion.net/bzflag.org/test2/index.html ... :p |
| 23:59.41 | Winny | oh, current site' |
| 23:59.42 | CBG` | what is it with you and THAT teleporter? |
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| 23:59.48 | Winny | CBG`: it looks cool. |
