| 00:14.59 | spldart | url to svn current bzflag source? |
| 00:15.19 | jude- | ~bzsvn |
| 00:15.19 | ibot | bzsvn is probably http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag bzflag |
| 00:15.26 | spldart | Ah.. thankies |
| 00:15.31 | jude- | np :) |
| 00:18.21 | spldart | hrm... what am I doing wrong... "svn co http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN bzflag" |
| 00:19.18 | jude- | use the second URL |
| 00:19.28 | jude- | the first one is an html page describing it :) |
| 00:19.28 | spldart | ah.. thanks again :) |
| 00:19.30 | blast007 | spldart: do you want 2.1 or 2.0? |
| 00:19.46 | spldart | 2.0 |
| 00:19.47 | blast007 | the first link is to the wiki on how to use SVN |
| 00:19.54 | spldart | hehe |
| 00:19.56 | spldart | oopsy |
| 00:19.58 | blast007 | okay, then you don't want the second link there |
| 00:20.05 | spldart | Maybe I've been drinking to much tonight |
| 00:20.05 | blast007 | go to the first one, and look for v2_0branch |
| 00:20.11 | spldart | ah |
| 00:20.18 | blast007 | it'll give you the command to get 2.0.x |
| 00:20.25 | spldart | 'new tab' |
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| 00:22.35 | Winny | ~26x26x26 |
| 00:22.43 | Winny | ~26^3 |
| 00:22.44 | ibot | 25 |
| 00:22.47 | Winny | ....... |
| 00:22.52 | daxxar | ~26*26*26 |
| 00:22.52 | ibot | 17576 |
| 00:22.52 | blast007 | lol |
| 00:22.54 | spldart | mmMMmm scrolling terminal |
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| 00:23.04 | daxxar | 26^3 = 26 XOR 3, I guess. |
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| 00:39.26 | spldart | poop... bad interpreter: permission denied |
| 00:39.53 | jude- | chmod -R 777 . |
| 00:40.11 | jude- | (from within the source directory) |
| 00:40.20 | jude- | or chmod -R 700 . |
| 00:41.25 | spldart | poop... |
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| 00:42.43 | spldart | now... what if that makes no difference whatsoever |
| 00:43.03 | jude- | what's the whole error message? |
| 00:44.04 | spldart | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:44.20 | spldart | first time I've seen that |
| 00:44.26 | jude- | ls -l /bin/sh |
| 00:45.01 | spldart | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2007-06-23 15:29 /bin/sh -> bash |
| 00:45.54 | jude- | something somewhere is unreadable or unexecutable |
| 00:46.07 | jude- | outside the source tree |
| 00:46.18 | spldart | NM.. then... I'll fool with it later.. thanks alot though :) |
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| 00:47.29 | spldart | For some reason I've managed to bunk portions of this machines linux and windows install... maybe to much OC |
| 01:01.56 | AAA_awright | Anyone know of a good top-down image of a tank? Or do I have to make one? |
| 01:02.09 | AAA_awright | A BZFlag tank. |
| 01:03.58 | jude- | IIRC, there's a .obj model of a tank, and you can use Blender or Wings 3D to create one |
| 01:04.08 | jude- | http://my.bzflag.org/resources/models/Tank.obj |
| 01:07.17 | Tedius | thanks jude, I needed that |
| 01:07.24 | jude- | np :) |
| 01:07.27 | Tedius | ~jude-++ |
| 01:07.33 | jude- | :) |
| 01:08.02 | brlcad | jude-: possibly, that's what I'm discussing, though also with a couple on-line publishers -- nothing for certain, and it may just be posted up to the website regardless |
| 01:08.15 | brlcad | didn't want to arbitrarily limit the options just yet, though |
| 01:08.29 | jude- | kk thanks :) |
| 01:10.00 | brlcad | spldart: did you download the zip file? |
| 01:17.03 | brlcad | this is pretty fun: http://iqtest.dk/main.swf |
| 01:17.39 | blast007 | brlcad: spldart was doing it from SVN |
| 01:17.41 | brlcad | we could integrate something like that into the registration system.. must get at least an 80 to get an account :) |
| 01:18.26 | brlcad | blast007: ahh, then probably did screw up something else.. hm |
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| 01:19.40 | jude- | brlcad: but then it would exclude Linux users :) |
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| 01:20.30 | jude- | (unless they're really clever and got FF for Windows + Adobe Shockwave to run in WINE on a x86 box) |
| 01:22.41 | blast007 | jude-: that's not shockwave, it's flash |
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| 01:23.07 | jude- | it doesn't want to open |
| 01:23.14 | blast007 | http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash&P2_Platform=Linux |
| 01:23.22 | jude- | I already have that |
| 01:23.31 | jude- | the page just prompts me to save the .swf object as a file |
| 01:25.29 | brlcad | jude-: heh, I meant into the client itself .. not as .swf but recreate a similar test |
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| 01:25.53 | jude- | heh |
| 01:27.11 | blast007 | hmm, stumped on one of them ;) |
| 01:27.18 | blast007 | the first 19 were pretty easy |
| 01:28.11 | blast007 | ah, so it this one, now that I look at the whole thing |
| 01:31.06 | brlcad | i'm still not sure i came anywhere close to getting the last one, that was horridly complex |
| 01:31.44 | brlcad | almost every pattern I thought I saw was somehow foiled |
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| 03:17.07 | brlcad | (for no reason) |
| 03:17.58 | SportChick | brlcad: I'm watching mozul set up my new computer...3 days early! |
| 03:18.29 | Winny | SportChick: core2duo by any chance? |
| 03:18.50 | SportChick | Winny: quadcore |
| 03:18.54 | Winny | yikes |
| 03:19.16 | brlcad | nifty |
| 03:19.33 | SportChick | brlcad: you'l probably be able to read the screen from there! |
| 03:19.44 | Think_Differentl | SportChick, sexy computer eh? |
| 03:19.56 | Think_Differentl | Quad...Mmm. |
| 03:20.03 | SportChick | 4 gb ram, mirrored 500 gb drives |
| 03:20.10 | Think_Differentl | :O |
| 03:20.17 | Think_Differentl | Graphics card? |
| 03:20.19 | Winny | dear lord, how much did that set you back? |
| 03:20.37 | SportChick | evga gforce 8600GT |
| 03:20.42 | Think_Differentl | Winny, a buncha crunch. |
| 03:20.47 | SportChick | no idea - it was a gift |
| 03:20.47 | Think_Differentl | eww |
| 03:20.55 | SportChick | mozul built it |
| 03:21.01 | Think_Differentl | craphics. |
| 03:21.09 | Think_Differentl | :P |
| 03:21.10 | SportChick | hush you! |
| 03:21.15 | Think_Differentl | I run dual 8600GTSes. |
| 03:21.22 | Think_Differentl | I still am hungry for more power. :P |
| 03:21.23 | Winny | heh |
| 03:21.24 | jude- | nvidia? craphics? |
| 03:21.30 | Winny | no need to waste money. |
| 03:22.01 | Think_Differentl | eh, well the quad is cetainly nice. |
| 03:22.03 | Think_Differentl | Q6600? |
| 03:22.09 | Think_Differentl | or Q6750? |
| 03:22.40 | SportChick | dual layer dvdrw drive that can print labels if you turn the dvd upside down |
| 03:22.46 | Think_Differentl | hehehe. |
| 03:22.52 | jude- | max 4 GB? |
| 03:22.55 | Think_Differentl | I've just got a plain one and a bunch of sharpies :D |
| 03:22.59 | SportChick | he's telling me this stuff as he puts it together |
| 03:23.05 | Think_Differentl | xD |
| 03:23.09 | Winny | who on earth needs 4gb of RAM. really. |
| 03:23.19 | Think_Differentl | SportChick, 4GB of? DDR2-800? |
| 03:23.22 | Think_Differentl | or faster :O |
| 03:23.31 | jude- | Winny: who on earth would ever think that anyone could have ENOUGH RAM? |
| 03:23.36 | Winny | I don't think I've eevr used more then 1.2gb |
| 03:23.37 | jude- | (besides Bill Gates and his 640k) |
| 03:23.42 | Think_Differentl | jude-, I never use more than a gig. |
| 03:24.06 | jude- | Think_Differentl: including disk cache? |
| 03:24.15 | Think_Differentl | Yep. |
| 03:24.20 | Think_Differentl | Cuz the disk never gets used. |
| 03:24.25 | Think_Differentl | for example, right now |
| 03:24.40 | Think_Differentl | 13MB of cache on disk is used, 850MB of RAM is used. |
| 03:24.46 | jude- | during heavy computing, the RAM at least serves that purpose |
| 03:24.47 | Think_Differentl | No idea about the 13MB of disk cache though. |
| 03:24.52 | blast007 | I've used close to 2GB once |
| 03:25.02 | jude- | I've used 2GB + swap before |
| 03:25.04 | blast007 | but I was running FEAR while installing Vista in a VM |
| 03:25.15 | Think_Differentl | blast007, rofl |
| 03:25.49 | blast007 | I think we (a friend and me) also used over 2GB to load a PNG file |
| 03:26.24 | blast007 | 80MB PNG file containing the colorized bzflag source code |
| 03:27.20 | Think_Differentl | blast007, FOMG, gimme file |
| 03:27.45 | Think_Differentl | I stick to fluxbox or metacity. |
| 03:28.37 | blast007 | Think_Differentl: http://static.bzexcess.com/bz.png (I would recommend NOT opening that in your browser) |
| 03:28.55 | blast007 | wget that file and use gimp |
| 03:29.51 | blast007 | ah, guess we only had 1GB of RAM |
| 03:30.24 | blast007 | Photoshop wouldn't open the file |
| 03:30.53 | blast007 | then again, that might have been my older thinkpad, which only had 192MB of RAM |
| 03:31.42 | blast007 | that image is 23296x14570 pixels |
| 03:32.05 | brlcad | is that the source image i put together a year or so ago? |
| 03:32.09 | blast007 | yeah |
| 03:32.10 | blast007 | ;) |
| 03:32.12 | brlcad | heh |
| 03:32.21 | Think_Differentl | what does it show? |
| 03:32.22 | Think_Differentl | :p |
| 03:32.22 | brlcad | should regenerate that |
| 03:32.36 | blast007 | Think_Differentl: the source code |
| 03:32.43 | brlcad | or better yet, finish the work on the tool that helped auto-generate that |
| 03:32.53 | brlcad | Think_Differentl: give it a go, good stuff |
| 03:32.55 | Think_Differentl | blast007, EVERYTHIN? |
| 03:34.04 | blast007 | Think_Differentl: I don't know, I didn't read the whole thing :P |
| 03:34.28 | SportChick | Think_Differentl: I tend to really tax my computers - I often run multiple programs at once - usually memory hog type programs too |
| 03:34.29 | brlcad | everything |
| 03:34.35 | SportChick | blast007: you installed vista?! ewwwwwww |
| 03:34.44 | blast007 | SportChick: in a VM |
| 03:34.54 | blast007 | .... and I have it on my new laptop |
| 03:34.59 | SportChick | blast007: ick |
| 03:35.04 | blast007 | I can't run XP on the laptop, at least if I want to use wireless |
| 03:35.19 | blast007 | the XP drivers cause one CPU core to max out when I'm connected |
| 03:35.23 | brlcad | you should see the image for BRL-CAD |
| 03:35.28 | blast007 | brlcad: hehe |
| 03:35.28 | brlcad | (have about 5x the source code) |
| 03:36.21 | SportChick | the kb is slick |
| 03:37.07 | SportChick | it's backlit :() |
| 03:37.20 | brlcad | hm, at least safari doesn't crash on the image any longer, though it still doesn't display it |
| 03:38.11 | blast007 | Think_Differentl: http://static.bzexcess.com/bzpreview.png |
| 03:38.16 | blast007 | SportChick: which keyboard? |
| 03:38.31 | SportChick | logitech g11 |
| 03:39.03 | brlcad | more interesting when you zoom out :) |
| 03:39.21 | blast007 | SportChick: I have the G15 ;) |
| 03:39.46 | SportChick | blast007: it's a huge upgrade from my 3 year old lappy |
| 03:40.22 | blast007 | my new laptop has a 7600GT in it ;) |
| 03:40.40 | blast007 | but a really odd keyboard... |
| 03:42.38 | Think_Differentl | blast007, didnt seem to like gimp |
| 03:42.44 | Think_Differentl | but opened in the default gnome image viewer |
| 03:42.52 | blast007 | k |
| 03:43.04 | blast007 | works for us in Gimp |
| 03:49.00 | AAA_awright | Does anyone have Tor installed for web browsing? |
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| 05:31.22 | brlcad | mmm.. ldap tis a fairly flexible and robust albeit somewhat complex beast.. |
| 05:31.41 | ruskie | yup |
| 05:31.43 | brlcad | tis coming together though, server's up and running now with a few items in the directory now |
| 05:31.56 | ruskie | to bad I couldn't get it working the way I wanted :( |
| 05:33.05 | brlcad | i've had to read through several tutorials and docs before it started sinking in (halleluia moments!) |
| 05:33.27 | brlcad | amidst several gotchas, like stupid default sasl authentication |
| 05:34.00 | brlcad | otherwise, man .. is it ever flexible to pretty much any hierarchical organization.. jeez |
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| 05:44.46 | ruskie | brlcad, well I actually got it figured out more or less the way I wanted it... i.e. OU -> user -> user data undir user branch... |
| 05:45.32 | ruskie | the thing is... none of the soft I tried with it didn't get the idea that users data is under user branch but expected global anonymous data |
| 05:46.12 | ruskie | even though I explicitly specified exact location to the data... |
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| 10:18.22 | tannerld | gokul is asking about his terracorps post |
| 10:18.57 | tannerld | asked 2x, once in general, and another in fansites |
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| 11:01.20 | Winny | delete: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11479 & delete: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11478 |
| 11:01.57 | Constitution | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:01.57 | Constitution | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:02.03 | Constitution | :) |
| 11:02.09 | Winny | he didn't link |
| 11:02.30 | Winny | anywho, bbl. |
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| 12:00.28 | romfis | hello all! |
| 12:01.18 | romfis | bzflag.org admin here? ;) |
| 12:01.59 | blast007 | hi romfis |
| 12:02.01 | blast007 | whatcha need? |
| 12:02.07 | romfis | hiya |
| 12:02.23 | romfis | i have a domain for bzflag.org.. |
| 12:02.58 | romfis | but on your side can not install lol |
| 12:04.33 | romfis | ok.... a bzflag.org admin pls make "ping bzflag.biz" and install you new domain... ;) |
| 12:06.15 | blast007 | ah |
| 12:06.23 | blast007 | okay, I guess I can't do that :) |
| 12:06.51 | romfis | lol |
| 12:09.05 | romfis | DNS: bzflag.biz A 66.35.250.210 |
| 12:09.44 | romfis | and with "www" |
| 12:11.29 | blast007 | that'll be for a project admin |
| 12:13.27 | romfis | yes, but he see that here and can later that install... i must going later... :) |
| 12:13.41 | romfis | i not home |
| 12:23.34 | blast007 | k |
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| 14:06.51 | brlcad | if someone sees romfis, tell him the vhost is set up for bzflag.biz |
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| 16:07.48 | *** topic/#bzflag by JeffM -> http://BZFlag.org || http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help || http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9453 || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 -- Stats still offline due to svn problem || http://my.bzflag.org/w/ || 2.0.10RC 1 code freeze TODAY |
| 16:08.38 | JeffM | what's still outstanding if anything? |
| 16:16.32 | brlcad | donuts |
| 16:16.37 | brlcad | donuts are outstanding |
| 16:18.06 | JeffM | with sprinkles :) |
| 16:18.34 | brlcad | the weather here today is pretty outstanding too |
| 16:18.36 | JeffM | think you'd be able to make an RC1 universal build? or you gonna just stick with the one release one? |
| 16:18.41 | brlcad | a high of 72 or somesuch |
| 16:18.46 | JeffM | even if it's just 10.4+ :) |
| 16:18.53 | JeffM | yeah it's like that here too |
| 16:19.03 | brlcad | yeah, no, I'd said I'd make a uni :) no problems there |
| 16:19.15 | brlcad | probably 10.3+, but will see |
| 16:19.20 | JeffM | that' fine |
| 16:19.28 | JeffM | I think it SHOULD be 10.3+ |
| 16:19.30 | brlcad | just no 10.2, that's a pita to get the libs working |
| 16:19.34 | JeffM | screw 10.2 |
| 16:19.40 | JeffM | we said .8 was going to be the last :) |
| 16:20.21 | brlcad | ooh, i just saw that you said RC1 .. heh :) |
| 16:20.29 | JeffM | yeah BEFORE rlease |
| 16:20.32 | JeffM | for testing |
| 16:20.34 | brlcad | probably still, but not till this evening if today is the day |
| 16:20.36 | JeffM | I'd be nice to have one |
| 16:20.39 | JeffM | yeah no rush |
| 16:21.12 | JeffM | today is the day I'd like to make a windows installer, tarball, and as many debian/ubuntu packages as we can get. |
| 16:21.22 | JeffM | if nothing big is outstanding |
| 16:21.43 | JeffM | if there is known big issues, I'd like to see who we can get to step up to accept assignements to fix them. |
| 16:21.51 | JeffM | so we can get this out fast, and get on with the real work |
| 16:21.54 | brlcad | fouts replied, he's still chicken on releasing the source, made no progress on contacting sgi legal |
| 16:22.03 | JeffM | :( |
| 16:22.06 | brlcad | so probably a dead end |
| 16:22.25 | JeffM | traditionaly does SGI ever open stuff up? |
| 16:22.38 | brlcad | depends who you know |
| 16:22.45 | JeffM | know anyone? |
| 16:23.05 | JeffM | I researched formating the drives in the O2 yesterday |
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| 16:23.08 | brlcad | heh, not that I could burn a favor for this unfortunately |
| 16:23.34 | JeffM | maybe it'll be simple enough RE from just the game |
| 16:24.02 | brlcad | search the discs .. he really seemed "certain" that the sources were released somewhere/sometime |
| 16:24.03 | JeffM | maybe some SGI people will be at the google thing :) |
| 16:24.21 | brlcad | i just couldn't find em on the latest discs or on some older ones I had |
| 16:24.39 | JeffM | I need to bring that machine in here so Daniel and I can work on it |
| 16:24.50 | JeffM | you know me and the nixes ;) |
| 16:27.20 | JeffM | tho I guess I could just install on the drive that came with it |
| 16:27.27 | JeffM | it's only 4 gigs:( |
| 16:32.26 | brlcad | ahh, should be plenty ;) |
| 16:32.42 | JeffM | maybe |
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| 16:38.52 | JeffM | bahhh,, this pdcurses is too new :( |
| 16:39.36 | JeffM | oh, the bug is in our code :( |
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| 16:41.37 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15891 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzadmin/curses_wrapper.h: can't define 2 versions of use_default_colors that just have dif return values. remove the one that returned an int for an error, since we never use the return code. |
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| 16:54.02 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15892 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/plugins/plugin_utils/VC71/ (. plugin_utils.sln plugin_utils.vcproj): if we have the utils, we need a project for it. |
| 16:56.05 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15893 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/plugins/regFlag/regFlag.vcproj: uses utils, so use the include dir for them |
| 16:56.21 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15894 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/plugins/vc71/plugins.sln: include some more plug-ins in the default build |
| 16:57.14 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15895 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/package/win32/nsis/BZFlag.nsi: |
| 16:57.16 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: remove the zlib dll, we can use the curl built with 2.1 that uses internal zlib and ares. |
| 16:57.18 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: Bump to .9RC1 for installer testing. |
| 17:00.27 | JeffM | can someone try this one for me? |
| 17:00.28 | JeffM | http://beta.bzflag.bz/builds/2.0.x/bzflag-2.0.9RC1.exe |
| 17:06.20 | donny_baker | 50% downloaded so far :P |
| 17:09.18 | donny_baker | seems to work fine...installed, launched, killed a few, died a lot :P |
| 17:13.59 | JeffM | cool |
| 17:14.00 | JeffM | thanks |
| 17:14.15 | JeffM | you were able to globaly ID? |
| 17:14.21 | JeffM | the curl is what I'm woried about |
| 17:14.29 | JeffM | I used the one we build for 2.1 |
| 17:15.29 | Erroneous | that should work fine |
| 17:15.33 | JeffM | should yeah |
| 17:15.41 | Erroneous | better than the one we ship with 2.0 actually |
| 17:15.42 | JeffM | mostly I want to make sure I packeged it up right :) |
| 17:15.57 | Erroneous | you pulled out the zlib dll right? |
| 17:15.59 | JeffM | yeah |
| 17:16.01 | Erroneous | cool |
| 17:16.10 | JeffM | and got the libCurl.dll I thought was the right one |
| 17:16.21 | JeffM | even used a pdcurses :) |
| 17:16.55 | donny_baker | JeffM: yes, globalid'ed and did someone get the confine mouse to work in windows? |
| 17:17.05 | donny_baker | cause my mouse was confined :) |
| 17:17.27 | JeffM | yeah |
| 17:17.31 | JeffM | Erroneous moved all that over |
| 17:17.37 | Erroneous | yup |
| 17:17.45 | donny_baker | ~Erroneous++ |
| 17:17.46 | Erroneous | fullscreen/window toggle should work too |
| 17:17.48 | Erroneous | try F1 |
| 17:18.03 | donny_baker | no more having to disable my second monitor while playing :) |
| 17:18.06 | Erroneous | :) |
| 17:18.18 | ruskie | O.o |
| 17:18.22 | ruskie | I never needed to... |
| 17:18.28 | ruskie | I just did -window :) |
| 17:19.18 | donny_baker | ruskie: i play fullscreen and tend to "oversteer" :P |
| 17:19.32 | ruskie | -window and mouse locked to window :) |
| 17:19.41 | ruskie | and yeah fullscreen window... |
| 17:19.44 | ruskie | limited to one screen :) |
| 17:19.56 | Erroneous | couldn't lock mouse to window in windows before |
| 17:20.10 | Erroneous | that's what he was ooh'ing about |
| 17:25.18 | *** topic/#bzflag by JeffM -> http://BZFlag.org || http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help || http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9453 || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 -- Stats still offline due to svn problem || http://my.bzflag.org/w/ || 2.0.10RC 1 code freeze TODAY, Tag and RC1 build 14:00 PST |
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| 17:26.22 | JeffM | who all here has access to debian systems? |
| 17:26.33 | eTangenT | JeffM: I assume Ubuntu doesn't count? |
| 17:26.38 | JeffM | it may actualy |
| 17:26.42 | eTangenT | oh |
| 17:26.43 | JeffM | debian or ubuntu lets say |
| 17:26.43 | eTangenT | right on |
| 17:26.52 | JeffM | what platform? |
| 17:26.58 | eTangenT | 386 |
| 17:27.07 | JeffM | k |
| 17:27.08 | eTangenT | er, x86 arch |
| 17:27.15 | JeffM | anyone have AMD64? |
| 17:27.35 | eTangenT | JeffM: I have a friend who has Ubuntu on AMD64 |
| 17:27.49 | L4m3r | JeffM, I've got Etch 1386 on the lappy and Lenny i386 on my desktop (though the latter is slightly busted) |
| 17:27.51 | JeffM | is he knowledgable in the buildings of BZ? |
| 17:28.05 | JeffM | basicly I'd like to get a number of .debs made |
| 17:28.05 | eTangenT | JeffM: I can get it going for him |
| 17:28.18 | JeffM | for the majors |
| 17:30.32 | JeffM | there is a 586 platform too? |
| 17:30.50 | JeffM | or is it mostly i386 and AMD64? |
| 17:31.05 | eTangenT | pretty much just those two, IIRC |
| 17:31.11 | eTangenT | L4m3r might know better |
| 17:31.24 | JeffM | well there is PPC too, but I don't think we need to test on tha |
| 17:31.24 | L4m3r | i386 is still a vast majority, even on 64bit-capable systems |
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| 17:31.42 | romfis | hey all! |
| 17:31.50 | L4m3r | mainly because amd64 is not supported for a lot of stupid stuff, like the flash plugin |
| 17:32.01 | romfis | cool that www.bzflag.biz is runnig! :D |
| 17:32.28 | eTangenT | hi romfis |
| 17:32.31 | romfis | nice nice *jump* |
| 17:32.37 | romfis | hello |
| 17:33.54 | JeffM | Erroneous, in your drop box is an excell file with all the ranks I came up with, 13 ranks per 0 to 12 :) |
| 17:34.22 | JeffM | well if we can get those 2 platforms that should help testing |
| 17:34.32 | JeffM | tho I hope the dependecies don't jack it up |
| 17:34.36 | romfis | hello chef! (JeffM) |
| 17:34.39 | romfis | :D |
| 17:34.44 | JeffM | ? |
| 17:34.50 | romfis | cheef? |
| 17:34.52 | romfis | lol |
| 17:34.53 | JeffM | how nasty is it to build RPMs these days |
| 17:35.17 | JeffM | I spelled it right this time ;) |
| 17:35.34 | JeffM | only one rank had that tool E-11 |
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| 17:39.45 | ruskie | amazingly there is a flash plugin for amd64... it's called gnash... and it's libre software |
| 17:58.15 | Erroneous | JeffM: the big problem with rpms is that we have too many dependencies to be able to build a single rpm |
| 17:58.33 | Erroneous | if we do rpms we need to do one-per-distro, which gets large and painful really quickly |
| 18:01.10 | JeffM | indeed |
| 18:04.04 | eTangenT | YES! |
| 18:04.10 | eTangenT | MY MOTHERBOARD AND PROCESSOR ARE IN! |
| 18:04.14 | eTangenT | now I can build my new machine |
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| 18:11.50 | L4m3r | stop spending your money on used piles of crap, and you'll have one soon enough |
| 18:13.41 | Macrosoft | i have to get another job first |
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| 18:33.37 | tannerld | Epyon: wouldn't that just be different textures and a few /sets ? |
| 18:36.33 | SpazzyMcGee | Street lamps! |
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| 18:40.28 | Plouj | hi |
| 18:40.33 | tannerld | hello |
| 18:40.52 | Plouj | does anyone here feel that bzflag graphics/art needs work or is even ugly? |
| 18:41.31 | tannerld | the textures in game? no - its not ment to be realistic and is fun as it is (although some textures got "upgraded" ex: mountains) |
| 18:42.03 | Plouj | well, things don't need to be realistic to be pretty |
| 18:42.27 | Plouj | from the screenshots that I've seen most of the stuff looks flat (either poor or no lighting) |
| 18:43.00 | brlcad | Plouj: feel free to improve upon the art and provide updates |
| 18:44.10 | brlcad | i don't think most would object to artwork enhancements, it's just usually done piecewise .. even the upcoming 2.2 has several graphics improvements, but there's always room for better |
| 18:44.22 | tannerld | Plouj: here's my client: http://i2.tinypic.com/646oe2q.png (2.0.8) |
| 18:44.36 | Tedius | Its a good question, are the simple-ish, nostalgic, objects in bzflag what gives it its charm? |
| 18:45.02 | tannerld | some of it |
| 18:45.17 | brlcad | the simple gameplay is probably the predominant factor |
| 18:45.43 | Plouj | heh |
| 18:45.45 | brlcad | along with that is simplified geometry, but textures and other artwork are certainly aspects that could be improved without changing the gameplay heavily |
| 18:46.05 | Plouj | yeah, those textures look like old Windows98 wallpapers |
| 18:46.08 | brlcad | the only probably is when you get into stylistic changes, like making the game look more like one style of game vs another |
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| 18:46.26 | brlcad | Plouj: so are you intending to work on the graphics or are just complaining? :) |
| 18:46.41 | Plouj | I'm complaining |
| 18:46.43 | brlcad | fyi, complaining isn't really going to get you anything ;) |
| 18:46.50 | Plouj | well |
| 18:47.00 | Plouj | I was wondering if anyone who plays this game shares my point of view |
| 18:47.02 | brlcad | it's open source, you have the power just as much as anyone else to make it better |
| 18:47.43 | Epyon | Plouj, I'd be willing to work with someone who'd add lightmaps, normal maps to BZF :P |
| 18:47.46 | brlcad | yes, out of the thousands that play, i'm sure there are plenty that share your point of view |
| 18:47.51 | Plouj | I'd say that I don't have the power, but I have the right. |
| 18:47.55 | Epyon | Plouj, I do :P |
| 18:48.07 | Plouj | normal maps, heh |
| 18:48.21 | Epyon | Plouj, have you seen BZWGen? |
| 18:48.24 | Plouj | even normal maps ca be made to look ugly |
| 18:48.31 | Plouj | Epyon: looking now |
| 18:48.43 | Epyon | http://bzflag.chaosforge.org |
| 18:49.00 | Epyon | tannerld, I'd use some textures right now -_- |
| 18:49.29 | tannerld | Epyon: all in your opinion I suppose |
| 18:50.08 | Epyon | tannerld, ? |
| 18:50.39 | tannerld | Epyon: beauty is in the eye of the beholder? |
| 18:50.59 | Tedius | Part of it is that there are some beautiful (Louman) maps out there, but it is pillbox and HIX that everyone plays consistently |
| 18:52.22 | Tedius | would you play bzflag in a world like this: http://www.videogamesblogger.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/haze-screenshot-big.jpg |
| 18:53.07 | Epyon | Well many people wouldn't because their graphics card wouldn't support it xP |
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| 18:56.06 | Plouj | take a look at a game alephone to get an idea of what kind of cool enviromenments could be created with a very limited set of polygons and no dymanic lighthing |
| 18:58.04 | SpazzyMcGee | IMHO, very inventive and creative environments can be created with the tools currently in BZW |
| 18:59.20 | SpazzyMcGee | Case in point, mystic valley: http://mybzflag.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/bzfi0032.png |
| 19:00.36 | SpazzyMcGee | Indeed. |
| 19:00.48 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15896 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (8 files in 3 dirs): Road textures are now a part of the ruleset definition |
| 19:02.19 | SpazzyMcGee | in fact, BZWGen is pretty damn good when it comes to looking cool. |
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| 19:06.46 | Plouj | and I still cant' get at the license of bzflag |
| 19:07.28 | Erroneous | LGPL 2.1: http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/trunk/bzflag/COPYING?revision=15708&view=markup |
| 19:09.01 | Plouj | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/bzflag/bzflag/COPYING?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup keeps timing out |
| 19:09.16 | Erroneous | we use svn now, not cvs |
| 19:09.17 | Plouj | that's the link on the main page |
| 19:09.22 | Erroneous | ah |
| 19:09.28 | Erroneous | someone (tm) should fix it |
| 19:09.34 | Plouj | Erroneous: that would expplain the problem :) |
| 19:09.50 | Erroneous | I pasted the link to the current copy |
| 19:10.49 | Plouj | yes, thanks |
| 19:12.24 | Erroneous | k, main page should be fixed |
| 19:13.51 | Winny | Erroneous: *cough* new website :p |
| 19:14.10 | Erroneous | Winny: that is Not My Project(tm) |
| 19:14.24 | Winny | righto |
| 19:14.39 | brlcad | yeah, i heard Winny was working on that |
| 19:14.40 | tannerld | *cough* Winny |
| 19:14.41 | brlcad | oh wait |
| 19:15.08 | Winny | lol |
| 19:15.15 | Winny | I can't *image* why :p |
| 19:15.20 | Winny | imagine, even |
| 19:16.26 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r15897 10/trunk/web/document.php: cvs-b-gone |
| 19:18.23 | Plouj | if you're insterested, checkout screens http://source.bungie.org/cutenews/screens/screen1.png through to http://source.bungie.org/cutenews/screens/screen12.png |
| 19:19.01 | brlcad | Plouj: seriously .. it's not a matter of desire -- mock up some texture updates, jump in and contribute |
| 19:19.30 | Winny | yeah, they took my textures, they'll take yours :p |
| 19:19.30 | Plouj | the problem is that I'm not a texture artist! |
| 19:19.34 | brlcad | if you need to learn graphics software, there's tons of great tutorials online and even a half-decent image editor called gimp that you can download and run for free |
| 19:20.21 | Tedius | ew, =those= are the textures you want?! |
| 19:20.54 | Winny | ;) |
| 19:21.49 | Winny | ooh, a new link has appeared on the main page. Register. That only took 2 years. |
| 19:22.26 | Epyon | brlcad will probably update the news once the GSoC post mortem is finished |
| 19:22.35 | brlcad | it is finished |
| 19:22.42 | brlcad | but i'm awaiting responses from others |
| 19:22.44 | Epyon | cool :D |
| 19:23.20 | Erroneous | it'll also be updated when .10 is released, presumably |
| 19:23.23 | Epyon | brlcad, took a look at the BZWGen paper? |
| 19:23.49 | brlcad | not yet |
| 19:26.18 | Erroneous | mmm, bzwgen paper |
| 19:27.05 | Epyon | Erroneous, my ,aster thesis :P |
| 19:27.06 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: 03bthansen * r15898 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/README: CVS is dead. README updated for SVN |
| 19:27.16 | Erroneous | Epyon: so I gathered :) |
| 19:27.23 | Epyon | CVS is dead, long live SVN xP |
| 19:27.44 | tannerld | ding dong the system is dead. |
| 19:27.49 | Epyon | :D |
| 19:28.14 | Epyon | Erroneous, all that is actually left to do is proofreading and adding screenshots |
| 19:28.21 | Erroneous | cool! |
| 19:29.17 | Epyon | Erroneous, if you'd like I can give you the current version for feedback. |
| 19:29.28 | Erroneous | sure :) |
| 19:39.13 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r15899 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/ (9 files in 5 dirs): CVS->SVN (multiple revs from trunk) |
| 19:43.40 | Thumper_ | DTRemenak: I just updated the branch README - if the version is trunk is better feel free to just clobber my edits :) |
| 19:44.02 | Erroneous | a lot of other changes are not valid on branch, so I wasn't gonna touch it :) |
| 19:44.10 | Erroneous | just figured I better hit all the other files |
| 19:44.44 | Erroneous | actually I thought it had been done long ago |
| 19:44.49 | Erroneous | thanks for pointing out otherwise :) |
| 19:45.00 | brlcad | i made a slew of edits many moons ago, but only to trunk |
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| 19:45.56 | Winny | I think someone needs to make an official BZFlag song. |
| 19:46.14 | whodaman- | lol |
| 19:46.24 | whodaman- | yea SpazzyMcGee and all those other talented musicians |
| 19:46.28 | Epyon | OMG what horrible lyrics -_- |
| 19:46.36 | Winny | dear lord, it was a joke. |
| 19:46.58 | Erroneous | brlcad: yeah, that's what I pulled back to branch |
| 19:47.13 | Epyon | -_- |
| 19:47.17 | Winny | ^^ |
| 19:48.52 | Winny | ~save me |
| 19:48.52 | ibot | ACTION runs into a burning building and saves winny from certain death. Is that enough? |
| 19:50.36 | Winny | ~saveme texture Epyon |
| 19:50.36 | ibot | ACTION runs up to winny and saves him from Epyon, the evil texture maniac. |
| 19:50.39 | Winny | :p |
| 19:50.45 | Epyon | O.O |
| 19:51.01 | Epyon | ~saveme ibot-abuser Winny |
| 19:51.01 | ibot | ACTION runs up to epyon and saves him from Winny, the evil ibot-abuser maniac. |
| 19:51.08 | Winny | lol |
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| 19:58.18 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15900 10/trunk/bzwgen/media/ (cement.png whitec2.png): Two new wall textures, this time 512 size |
| 19:59.32 | Winny | 512 woot |
| 20:06.03 | JeffM | anyone got anything else they want to add before 2? |
| 20:06.28 | Winny | JeffM: want my higher rez base textures? |
| 20:06.43 | JeffM | no |
| 20:06.50 | JeffM | save that for 2.1 |
| 20:06.51 | Winny | k |
| 20:07.47 | JeffM | the trigger for scaling isn't as good as I'd like it |
| 20:08.22 | JeffM | before we ship super big textures, I'd like to look into using an imaging lib to do good scaling that is dynamic and correct on all systems. |
| 20:09.21 | Winny | how "big" is big? I have 2048x2048, but they are around 2-3mb per base. |
| 20:09.34 | JeffM | thats' big |
| 20:09.46 | JeffM | anything over 512 |
| 20:09.57 | JeffM | 512 is about where some systems start not supporting larger sizes |
| 20:10.15 | Winny | wow, that seems tiny to me |
| 20:10.16 | JeffM | and that's where we need rock solid max texture detection, and proper scaling. |
| 20:10.38 | JeffM | you also need to remember that the PNG size isn't what the card uses |
| 20:10.44 | JeffM | some cards use it uncompressed |
| 20:11.01 | Winny | I know, I'm thinking of download times. |
| 20:11.09 | Winny | as in, for the BZFlag application |
| 20:11.10 | JeffM | download is nothing |
| 20:11.14 | JeffM | runtime is the big thing |
| 20:11.17 | JeffM | download happens once |
| 20:11.21 | JeffM | no big whup |
| 20:11.48 | JeffM | in raw video ram, your textures can take like nearly 12 megs. |
| 20:12.17 | JeffM | texture compression is another reasn I'd like to use a lib |
| 20:12.32 | JeffM | maybe swap to dds, or some other S3C format. |
| 20:12.48 | JeffM | then you can go to town ;) |
| 20:12.52 | Winny | hehe |
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| 20:36.08 | JeffM | I wrote up the RC1 announcement and posted it in admin playground, if any admins want to read it over. |
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| 20:44.07 | Erroneous | looks good to me |
| 20:45.02 | Winny | admin playground? the first thing I thought of when you said that was all the devs running around, and Tim going "now now, settle down." |
| 20:45.17 | JeffM | Erroneous, after 2 can you build a tarbal on your zenwalk machine? |
| 20:45.57 | Erroneous | I don't have a copy of the slack install stuff. I'm not sure who did it last time |
| 20:46.09 | Erroneous | should probably check it in. |
| 20:46.13 | JeffM | you need install stuff to build a tarbal? |
| 20:46.19 | JeffM | of just the sources |
| 20:46.24 | Erroneous | oh, sources? |
| 20:46.26 | Erroneous | sure |
| 20:46.27 | JeffM | yeah |
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| 20:48.43 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15901 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/ (package/win32/nsis/BZFlag.nsi src/date/buildDate.cxx): call it an RC1. |
| 20:54.59 | Macrosoft | its not your friend: http://mdk0.servegame.com/deathstar.png |
| 20:55.22 | Winny | looks like a round vaccum |
| 20:56.53 | bryjen | color it red and its a lollipop |
| 20:57.32 | Macrosoft | i just need some tie fighters to go along with it |
| 20:58.25 | Thumper_ | Macrosoft: your golf tee is crooked |
| 20:59.20 | donny_baker | i was going to say it looks like the ball tracking feature in Links |
| 20:59.52 | Macrosoft | atleast this time i had bzwtools, so i didnt have to change all the "v <x> <y> <z>" lines and the "f <vertices>" lines |
| 21:00.24 | JeffM | beep.. times' up |
| 21:00.43 | Macrosoft | JeffM: ? |
| 21:00.44 | *** topic/#bzflag by JeffM -> http://BZFlag.org || http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help || http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9453 || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 -- Stats still offline due to svn problem || http://my.bzflag.org/w/ || 2.0.10RC 1 code freeze TODAY, Tag and RC1 build like now. |
| 21:00.59 | Constitution | does that mean a mac build too? |
| 21:01.05 | JeffM | yes |
| 21:01.09 | JeffM | we will try for one |
| 21:01.29 | JeffM | Erroneous, do I have to make the tag dir first? |
| 21:01.55 | Erroneous | nope |
| 21:02.20 | JeffM | copy fails cus it says it can't find the dir |
| 21:02.27 | JeffM | https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/tags/v2_0_10_RC1/bzflag |
| 21:02.29 | JeffM | right? |
| 21:03.20 | JeffM | Error: PROPFIND request failed on '/svnroot/bzflag/!svn/bc/15901/tags/v2_0_10_RC1' |
| 21:03.20 | JeffM | Error: '/svnroot/bzflag/!svn/bc/15901/tags/v2_0_10_RC1' path not found |
| 21:03.45 | JeffM | wtf... |
| 21:09.15 | Winny | was there anything in 2.0.6 that would allow for easyinf f5/pause/energy saver cheating? |
| 21:09.31 | Winny | (that isn't in 2.0.8) |
| 21:09.31 | JeffM | huh? |
| 21:10.06 | Winny | whoops... easy f5/energy saver cheating* |
| 21:10.35 | JeffM | .8 didn't have anything IIRC, .10 has some small stuff IIRC. |
| 21:10.42 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15902 10/tags/v2_0_10_RC1/: make a tag dir. |
| 21:10.48 | *** join/#bzflag TD-Linux (n=TD-Linux@about/essy/indecisive/TD-Linux) |
| 21:10.49 | Winny | but .6 and .8 aren't any different? |
| 21:10.55 | JeffM | not really |
| 21:11.16 | Constitution | JeffM: I have a small formatting change... commit? |
| 21:11.18 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15903 10/tags/v2_0_10_RC1/bzflag/: made a copy |
| 21:11.22 | Constitution | never mind :) |
| 21:11.28 | JeffM | formating change to what? |
| 21:11.42 | Constitution | DEVINFO... it was nothing really... just a leading space |
| 21:11.47 | Constitution | but I didn't want to mess up what you were doing |
| 21:11.55 | JeffM | go ahead, it's no big whup |
| 21:11.58 | JeffM | the tag is done |
| 21:12.19 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: 03macsforme * r15904 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/DEVINFO: Formatting. |
| 21:13.18 | Constitution | so all this means is that we have a "snapshot" which we're building and sending out for testing, right? fixes, etc. still go in branches/v2_0branch? |
| 21:13.43 | JeffM | techincaly yes |
| 21:13.52 | JeffM | just fixes tho |
| 21:13.58 | JeffM | no new stuff |
| 21:14.08 | Constitution | ok |
| 21:14.09 | JeffM | and fixes that MUST go in for .10 |
| 21:15.03 | JeffM | basicly the risk of breakage must be very very low |
| 21:19.04 | Winny | could one expect a 2.0.10 release within the month? |
| 21:19.12 | JeffM | since SOMONE set that bit |
| 21:19.14 | Erroneous | meep |
| 21:19.19 | JeffM | Winny, I would hope a couple weeks at the most. |
| 21:19.57 | JeffM | exe is up, and the announcemnt is live |
| 21:20.31 | JeffM | anyone that wants to build for another platform please do, and if somone could build and upload a source tarball to beta. bzflag.bz that' be great :) |
| 21:20.49 | JeffM | if this goes well for 3 days, we'll put a new item on the main page. |
| 21:20.57 | Constitution | announcement? |
| 21:21.18 | JeffM | fourms |
| 21:21.45 | JeffM | and somone better get started on thinking of a name for the sucker |
| 21:22.10 | Winny | 2.0.10 "Long at last"? |
| 21:22.21 | Erroneous | "Never say never" |
| 21:22.27 | JeffM | the second is better |
| 21:22.34 | Winny | pfft :p |
| 21:22.45 | JeffM | Winny, well it wasn't realy anticipated |
| 21:22.51 | *** join/#bzflag tupone (n=atupone@pdpc/supporter/active/Tupone) |
| 21:22.51 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v tupone] by ChanServ |
| 21:22.54 | JeffM | "Cutest little accedent" |
| 21:22.58 | Constitution | The source tarball just needs autogen.sh run? |
| 21:23.14 | JeffM | Constitution, I'm not sure, tupone should know ;) |
| 21:23.26 | tupone | The source tarball does not need it |
| 21:23.26 | Erroneous | Constitution: "make dist" should do it all |
| 21:23.32 | tupone | you just run configure |
| 21:23.50 | *** topic/#bzflag by JeffM -> http://BZFlag.org || http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help || http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9453 || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 -- Stats still offline due to svn problem || http://my.bzflag.org/w/ || 2.0.10RC 1 code freeze TODAY, Tag and RC1 builds are going up, may the gods have mercy on us all |
| 21:23.59 | tupone | if the source tarball has been made with make dist |
| 21:24.09 | KTL | brr cold |
| 21:24.18 | Erroneous | tupone: I think he was asking about creating a tarball |
| 21:24.19 | *** topic/#bzflag by JeffM -> http://BZFlag.org || http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help || http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9453 || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 -- Stats still offline due to svn problem || http://my.bzflag.org/w/ || 2.0.10RC 1 Tag and builds are going up, may the gods have mercy on us all |
| 21:24.20 | *** join/#bzflag tannerld (n=tanner@adsl-068-209-251-067.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) |
| 21:24.21 | Erroneous | not building from one |
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| 21:24.35 | Erroneous | but maybe I'm confused :) |
| 21:24.47 | JeffM | tupone, yes, I asked somone to make me a source tarball from the tag |
| 21:26.29 | tupone | the source tarball to be uploaded at sf should be made with make dist |
| 21:26.40 | JeffM | then do just that |
| 21:26.46 | Erroneous | for release, yes. not for rc |
| 21:26.49 | JeffM | this won't go on SF, but I'd like it to be the exact same. |
| 21:27.04 | JeffM | yeah it' still marked as .9 |
| 21:27.07 | Constitution | k |
| 21:27.12 | Erroneous | 'cause sf does not let us remove files |
| 21:27.14 | JeffM | it dosn't go to .10 untill it's done |
| 21:27.15 | tupone | Constitution, need to change configure.ac |
| 21:27.21 | Erroneous | this is not .10 |
| 21:27.30 | Erroneous | this is a release candidate for .10 |
| 21:27.33 | JeffM | its .9RC1 ;) |
| 21:27.37 | donny_baker | how about 'sasquatch', cause it has been denied that a 2.0.10 would ever exist :P |
| 21:27.38 | Constitution | k :) |
| 21:28.00 | JeffM | 2.0.10, Cryptozoology be dammed |
| 21:28.11 | Winny | 2.0.10 "We didn't?" |
| 21:28.13 | tupone | well, it 2.0.10rc1 2.0.10rc1 <= 2.0.10 |
| 21:28.14 | JeffM | Tim used to name them from some poem or something |
| 21:28.15 | Winny | :p |
| 21:28.23 | KTL | ah cool a name needed :D |
| 21:28.28 | CBG | 2.0.10 Better than nothing... |
| 21:28.36 | Constitution | filename bzflag-2.0.10RC1.tar.*? |
| 21:28.42 | tannerld | KTL: lol |
| 21:28.45 | Winny | lol |
| 21:28.47 | JeffM | Constitution, sure. |
| 21:29.05 | Winny | 2.0.10 "We've had enough!" |
| 21:29.20 | JeffM | 2.0.10 "Now shut the hell up" |
| 21:29.21 | ruskie | 2.0.10 NRUA>HBIACRIACB>CIX>B |
| 21:29.22 | ruskie | :) |
| 21:29.47 | CBG | 2.0.10 Stop your damn whining! |
| 21:29.50 | tannerld | 2.0.10 "This is all in your head" |
| 21:30.01 | Erroneous | JeffM: seems to me you proposed that last time too ;) |
| 21:30.03 | JeffM | so far "never say never" still wins |
| 21:30.09 | KTL | 2 hours later still no code change and no name :D |
| 21:30.12 | JeffM | Erroneous, gonna do it till I get it ;) |
| 21:30.15 | Erroneous | heh |
| 21:30.28 | CBG | 2.0.10 You took the red pill. |
| 21:30.35 | tannerld | CBG: lol |
| 21:31.29 | CBG | 2.0.10 We told you to watch out for rabbit-holes... |
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| 21:32.01 | CBG | 2.0.10 Really good noodles. |
| 21:32.17 | Winny | 2.0.10 "NO More!" |
| 21:32.23 | tannerld | 2.0.10 "Stupid prime numbers..." |
| 21:32.30 | Winny | ehhh |
| 21:32.32 | KTL | ? |
| 21:32.33 | Winny | 10 isn't prime |
| 21:32.57 | Thumper_ | neither is 0 |
| 21:33.00 | tannerld | 9 |
| 21:33.07 | Winny | tannerld: ..... |
| 21:33.08 | Tedius | 209 is prime? |
| 21:33.13 | tannerld | .... |
| 21:33.14 | KTL | ok that is for nr 11 then |
| 21:33.15 | tannerld | shush! |
| 21:33.24 | tannerld | KTL: that works! |
| 21:33.47 | CBG | 2.0.10 Blonde... Brunette... Redhead... |
| 21:33.56 | KTL | finally i learn where all those WEIRD release names come from ... |
| 21:34.14 | Winny | KTL: major.minor.revision |
| 21:34.27 | CBG | 2.0.10 Free your mind! |
| 21:34.38 | Constitution | hmm, it's like 50Mb compressed... does that sound right? :\ |
| 21:34.44 | Erroneous | nope |
| 21:34.47 | KTL | argh ... the "old news" link beneath the main page on bzflag.org gives an error |
| 21:34.50 | tannerld | 2.0.10 We ran out of catch lines |
| 21:35.07 | KTL | there was a dancing monkey release once no? that was a good name! |
| 21:35.07 | Constitution | I ran autogen.sh, configure, then make dist |
| 21:35.46 | Winny | KTL: yeah.. the website needs... uh... work. |
| 21:36.35 | Erroneous | Constitution: -rw-r--r-- 1 bzflag bzflag 11466720 Sep 17 15:09 bzflag-2.0.9.tar.bz2 |
| 21:38.04 | Erroneous | and the .gz is 12.1 |
| 21:38.15 | Erroneous | Constitution: perhaps you are gzipping the bzflag dir? |
| 21:38.28 | Erroneous | rather than looking at the nicely generated gzip and bz2 files INSIDE the bzflag dir? :) |
| 21:38.33 | Constitution | lol |
| 21:39.21 | Constitution | guess we learn something new every day :) |
| 21:39.24 | JeffM | yeah it zips them for you |
| 21:39.38 | Erroneous | Constitution: if you could, make distcheck too |
| 21:39.46 | Erroneous | assuming you're on a system with gl |
| 21:39.51 | Constitution | k |
| 21:40.04 | JeffM | I updated the wiki with the only 2 names I thought were viable :) |
| 21:40.43 | bryjen | 2.0.10 "he says he's not dead" |
| 21:40.53 | JeffM | edit the wiki :) |
| 21:40.53 | Erroneous | heh |
| 21:41.02 | JeffM | "I feel happy" |
| 21:41.24 | Erroneous | "he's not dead yet, jim!" |
| 21:41.45 | bryjen | ~lart Erroneous for mixing references |
| 21:41.45 | ibot | wallops Erroneous with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long for mixing references |
| 21:41.50 | tannerld | "I think the teleporter is broken Jim" |
| 21:41.55 | Winny | "Only slighty wrinkley" |
| 21:41.57 | Erroneous | hehe |
| 21:42.57 | bryjen | "it's death, jim, but not as we know it" hmm, that's a bit long :/ |
| 21:43.30 | Erroneous | "there's klingons off the starboard bow!" |
| 21:44.32 | Macrosoft | "the obvious answer is 'u-turn'" |
| 21:44.39 | Winny | . |
| 21:44.47 | KTL | 42 |
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| 21:45.14 | Macrosoft | Winny: thats perfect!: BZFlag 2.0.10 "." |
| 21:45.30 | KTL | Were in the pipe, 5 by 5 |
| 21:45.35 | KTL | Strap yourselves in boys, we're in for some chops. |
| 21:45.44 | Erroneous | "Mostly dead is slightly alive" |
| 21:45.47 | Macrosoft | bzflag 2.0.10 "made you look" |
| 21:45.56 | Thumper_ | 2.0.10 ... 3 years early |
| 21:46.04 | KTL | lol |
| 21:46.08 | Winny | eheh |
| 21:46.23 | Tedius | "to blave" |
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| 21:46.37 | Macrosoft | Tedius: huh? |
| 21:46.39 | KTL | No definitions found for "blave" |
| 21:46.47 | Tedius | "to blave is to bluff" |
| 21:46.58 | Macrosoft | Tedius: what's a "blave" |
| 21:47.38 | Macrosoft | 2.0.10 "get your own damn catch phrase" |
| 21:48.07 | KTL | nice |
| 21:48.13 | KTL | delegate the problem |
| 21:49.20 | TimRiker | 2.0.10 "Do we hafta?" |
| 21:49.28 | Macrosoft | heh nobody ever accuses me of cheating when i use "BZFlag version X-PROTO" as a version string |
| 21:49.51 | Macrosoft | TimRiker: 2.0.10 "hells yeah!!" |
| 21:50.41 | JeffM | that seems to tell me that you DO cheat |
| 21:52.34 | Constitution | so what's the differenct between BZFlag-2.0.10RC1.exe and bzflag-2.0.9RC1.exe? |
| 21:52.47 | Constitution | on beta.bzflag.bz/builds |
| 21:53.09 | KTL | same reasoning as for the sasquatch ... "bigfoot", people do have an idea when they hear that |
| 21:53.30 | JeffM | the name |
| 21:53.39 | JeffM | and a single string |
| 21:53.41 | Constitution | JeffM: ah thanks |
| 21:53.47 | Constitution | oh :) |
| 21:54.01 | JeffM | it was my test of the windows build and package |
| 21:54.34 | Winny | brlcad: starting the drupal theme... again :p |
| 21:57.16 | AAA_awright | "Get the kids off the lawn" |
| 21:57.17 | KTL | Dancing Sloth |
| 21:57.24 | Winny | "I like cheese" |
| 21:57.41 | KTL | Sloth because it took a lot of time |
| 21:57.48 | AAA_awright | "Fly spray" |
| 21:57.50 | KTL | and because it's still a monkey |
| 21:58.42 | Constitution | Erroneous: 'make distcheck' has some problems in platform/MacOSX... http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m2abe2ba8 |
| 21:58.46 | JeffM | it didn't take a lot of time |
| 21:58.58 | JeffM | it's not like we've been working on .10 for the year |
| 21:59.19 | Erroneous | indeed |
| 21:59.37 | JeffM | it's actualy sad that we are doing a .10 |
| 21:59.42 | JeffM | for a number of reasons |
| 21:59.54 | JeffM | sad that we coudln't get the .8 to have good packages |
| 22:00.05 | JeffM | sad that 2.2 isn't close to ready |
| 22:00.21 | JeffM | sad that we are still going to miss ubuntu |
| 22:00.37 | tannerld | hmm? |
| 22:01.11 | JeffM | ubuntu will have a cutoff of end of september |
| 22:01.17 | JeffM | and we won't be thru debian in that time |
| 22:01.52 | TimRiker | ubuntu might pull it from unstable. |
| 22:02.10 | JeffM | I've talked to an ubuntu dev about it |
| 22:02.22 | JeffM | he's just applying the patches to 2.0.8 for this one |
| 22:02.29 | JeffM | and they will use there own package |
| 22:02.53 | JeffM | we would have had to have package into deian last week |
| 22:03.22 | JeffM | unless we are realy, realy lucky, that ship has sailed |
| 22:04.45 | Erroneous | Constitution: try applying http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/trunk/bzflag/src/platform/MacOSX/Makefile.am?r1=13243&r2=13421&view=patch |
| 22:05.53 | Erroneous | looks like that's a very old problem with distcheck on osx though |
| 22:05.55 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: 03timriker * r15905 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/ (Makefile.am debian/buildsnap): s/cvs/svn/ |
| 22:06.45 | Erroneous | Constitution: if that fixes it, go ahead and check it in, though |
| 22:07.21 | Constitution | Erroneous: to v2_0branch dir, the tag dir, or both? |
| 22:07.28 | JeffM | branch |
| 22:07.30 | Erroneous | v2_0branch |
| 22:07.32 | Constitution | k |
| 22:07.33 | JeffM | don't touch the tag |
| 22:07.35 | JeffM | it's just a marker |
| 22:07.39 | JeffM | we know we'll have another build |
| 22:09.49 | brlcad | Constitution: you shouldn't be building MacDisplay |
| 22:09.52 | brlcad | install SDL |
| 22:10.18 | Constitution | brlcad: SDL is installed as a framework |
| 22:10.35 | Constitution | and it builds fine normally... this was on make distcheck |
| 22:12.09 | KTL | mapinguari and nessie, 2 other beasts with debated existence |
| 22:13.58 | Macrosoft | KTL: you forgot domo-kun |
| 22:14.06 | KTL | and bunyips |
| 22:19.38 | Constitution | Erroneous: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m29cdffe5 |
| 22:19.55 | Winny | blast007: poke |
| 22:20.09 | Erroneous | Constitution: ah, must depend on some .ac changes then |
| 22:23.50 | JeffM | Erroneous, you didn't leave a .zip? |
| 22:24.05 | Erroneous | make dist builds zips too |
| 22:24.10 | JeffM | ahh good |
| 22:24.12 | Erroneous | zip, bz2, gz |
| 22:24.20 | JeffM | so you replaced my zip ;) |
| 22:24.21 | Erroneous | put them all up, linked them from your post |
| 22:24.33 | Erroneous | I suppose :) |
| 22:24.46 | JeffM | and IIRC they work fine on windows, for the compilers we support now |
| 22:24.56 | JeffM | tho the readmes will have bad line endings, etc.. |
| 22:25.16 | Erroneous | yup...use wordpad, not notepad ;) |
| 22:25.27 | Erroneous | notepad is a crippled little editor |
| 22:25.45 | JeffM | it woudl be nice to have a file with native endings |
| 22:25.58 | Erroneous | I s'pose |
| 22:26.09 | Erroneous | probably should build with make dist on mingw then |
| 22:26.14 | Erroneous | use the zip from that |
| 22:29.20 | Winny | blast007: when you awaken, can you send me your template please? |
| 22:30.24 | TimRiker | the zip should have "proper" line endings. it should autoconvert for whatever platform you are on. |
| 22:30.38 | TimRiker | the tarball would not though. |
| 22:31.08 | JeffM | what is "proper"? |
| 22:32.11 | Erroneous | true, most unzippers will do it for you |
| 22:33.47 | JeffM | the windows default one won't IIRC |
| 22:45.27 | spldart | question... no matter if I download a tarball... do an svn or whateva.. I always get "bash: ./autogen.sh: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied" when I try to do and autogen |
| 22:45.55 | AAA_awright | Permission denied in root can only mean you need to give the file +x |
| 22:45.55 | spldart | no matter the ver of bzflag or ownership of the files in the build dir |
| 22:46.04 | AAA_awright | What file I don't know |
| 22:46.14 | spldart | I've tried a+x |
| 22:46.29 | AAA_awright | chmod -R a+x * |
| 22:46.36 | spldart | tried that too |
| 22:46.43 | spldart | whole dir recursifve |
| 22:46.46 | AAA_awright | chmod -R a+x / |
| 22:46.48 | AAA_awright | :p |
| 22:46.52 | spldart | heh |
| 22:46.55 | TimRiker | spldart: does it have "proper" line endings for your platform? |
| 22:47.27 | spldart | I assume so... was wondering if my autogen app is fuxored |
| 22:47.33 | spldart | debian etch |
| 22:49.22 | SpazzyMcGee | Not wanting to sound whiney at an inappropriate time, but doesn't the list server have rules against servers that spam full of bots? |
| 22:49.34 | SpazzyMcGee | i.e. Pythonian |
| 22:49.35 | JeffM | techincaly, no |
| 22:49.40 | TimRiker | spldart: hmm. does sh -x autogen.sh work? |
| 22:49.46 | SpazzyMcGee | gah |
| 22:49.55 | JeffM | the only thing we have rules about is bad words, and cheat servers |
| 22:50.02 | TimRiker | if line-endings are wrong it may be looking for /bin/sh^R etc. |
| 22:50.17 | Winny | JeffM: might be time to start a rule against excessive bots. |
| 22:50.34 | Winny | after all, its the PUBLIC list server, not the BOT list servr. |
| 22:50.35 | JeffM | Winny, techincaly we fixed that in the software in 2.1 |
| 22:50.50 | Winny | ..but it's 2.0 ;) |
| 22:50.52 | JeffM | who's to make the call on what is "excessive" |
| 22:50.53 | JeffM | so |
| 22:51.10 | JeffM | have you tried ASKING him to not run them? |
| 22:51.13 | SpazzyMcGee | I was just about to say - you simply don't count bots in the server rank in 2.1? |
| 22:51.15 | Winny | JeffM: having 2 real players and 8 bots, to make your server hit the top. |
| 22:51.30 | KTL | just dont count observers and bots as players in the server list |
| 22:51.43 | JeffM | again, have you tried accctual comunication with the owner first? |
| 22:51.56 | JeffM | KTL, SpazzyMcGee that's what we do |
| 22:52.02 | Winny | JeffM: indeed. Many people have, many times. |
| 22:52.03 | spldart | -x verbose or something? |
| 22:52.12 | Winny | they basically tell us to &%*$ off |
| 22:52.14 | JeffM | Winny, since the transiion to new wner? |
| 22:52.16 | JeffM | owner? |
| 22:52.25 | KTL | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.25 | KTL | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.27 | Winny | He was told in here our concerns about bots. |
| 22:52.42 | Winny | Unless he has the memory of a fish, i would expect him to remember. |
| 22:52.44 | JeffM | have you talked to him. about the current bots. since he has been in charge? |
| 22:52.51 | JeffM | so your answer is "no" |
| 22:53.02 | JeffM | he may not know what excessive is. |
| 22:53.11 | JeffM | try the civil method first |
| 22:53.18 | Winny | JeffM: I *just* said when he was in here. |
| 22:53.46 | Winny | Anyways, I should stop interupting development. |
| 22:54.03 | JeffM | saying stuff in a general chat, and expecting people to remember is not the same as talking to them about it |
| 22:54.22 | JeffM | now. if it's an easy fix, I have no problem with makgin 2.0.10 also skip bots |
| 22:56.09 | JeffM | since that's something we should have thrown on the list |
| 22:56.43 | Winny | Many people would definetly like that |
| 22:56.52 | JeffM | IIRC it's a server change |
| 22:56.59 | JeffM | so it'd only show for servers that upgraded |
| 22:57.03 | JeffM | but realy, talk to the guy |
| 22:57.07 | JeffM | TO him, not at him |
| 22:58.17 | Winny | ok... |
| 22:58.21 | SpazzyMcGee | heh, I remember yesterday... |
| 23:06.59 | Erroneous | no really? I remember yesterday too. |
| 23:10.14 | Winny | I don't :( |
| 23:11.03 | JeffM | is someone willing to test the EVER LOVING CRAP out of this, if I do it? |
| 23:11.52 | Winny | Ill test it |
| 23:12.02 | Winny | is it up on .bz? |
| 23:12.05 | JeffM | NO |
| 23:12.10 | JeffM | can you compile? |
| 23:12.23 | JeffM | it's a server change |
| 23:12.25 | JeffM | not a client one |
| 23:12.36 | Winny | no, I got a new computer and never re-did my environment. Sorry. |
| 23:12.39 | JeffM | dosnt' report bots, or observers. |
| 23:12.45 | Constitution | I'll do it |
| 23:12.52 | JeffM | reports hunters and rabbits as rogue |
| 23:13.03 | JeffM | if it has any problems, we pull it |
| 23:13.05 | JeffM | fast |
| 23:13.14 | Erroneous | hunters and rabbits aren't real teams on branch |
| 23:13.20 | JeffM | exactly |
| 23:13.38 | JeffM | I don't think they were being reported correctly before |
| 23:13.42 | JeffM | in the ping packet |
| 23:13.51 | JeffM | we just copied the sizes of the team vectors |
| 23:13.54 | Erroneous | quite possible |
| 23:14.02 | Erroneous | yeah, that would leave rabbits out |
| 23:14.05 | JeffM | now it loops thru the players, gets the team and human status |
| 23:14.08 | JeffM | and increments the counts. |
| 23:14.25 | JeffM | so I just shoved rabbits into rogue, cus IIRC hunters are that team |
| 23:14.35 | JeffM | so it'll just show the totaly players. |
| 23:15.15 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15906 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: Have the server only report real meatsack players, no bots, no observers. Attach rabbits to the rogue team. |
| 23:16.59 | JeffM | hah, in trunk rabbit games must have shown as 0 |
| 23:18.12 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15907 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: Have the server only report real meatsack players, no bots, no observers. Attach rabbits and hunters to the rogue team. |
| 23:18.33 | Constitution | so no more 32 players out of the maximum 30? :) |
| 23:19.56 | JeffM | one would hope |
| 23:20.01 | JeffM | test it and see |
| 23:20.18 | Constitution | will do |
| 23:20.37 | JeffM | now what that means is, if there is a bot playing, it'll report 11/12, but you still can't join that team, cus the bot takes a real slot up. |
| 23:20.43 | JeffM | but it won't report it |
| 23:22.31 | JeffM | Winny, you can also ask that server owner to upgrade his bzfs to this version, so then he can run as many bots as he wants |
| 23:23.15 | Winny | JeffM: alright, I was planning on telling him next time he was on IRC |
| 23:23.40 | JeffM | and there is your problem |
| 23:23.42 | JeffM | ASK |
| 23:23.43 | JeffM | don't tell |
| 23:23.51 | JeffM | you are not the boss of him |
| 23:24.58 | Winny | uh |
| 23:25.08 | Winny | telling does not imply bossing in my books, but ok |
| 23:26.58 | JeffM | were you going to start the sentance with "can you" and end it in a "?" or just give him a command that you expected him to follow? |
| 23:27.37 | *** join/#bzflag rob1n (n=emp@unaffiliated/rob1n) |
| 23:27.38 | Winny | I was going to say "Would it be possible to have the amount of bots on your server reduced?"... |
| 23:28.13 | JeffM | good, then that's asking ;) |
| 23:42.49 | TimRiker | testers welcome. http://xmission.bzflag.org/beta/ |
| 23:43.08 | AAA_awright | Ooh |
| 23:43.48 | AAA_awright | Oh, Debian packages. Need the Gentoo packages updated? |
| 23:44.07 | TimRiker | these are testing 2.0.9 packages, not 10 yet. |
| 23:44.41 | TimRiker | those were built on debian stable. |
| 23:46.31 | *** join/#bzflag bryjen (n=bryjen@2002:4cb1:bee3:0:0:0:0:1) |
| 23:46.31 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v bryjen] by ChanServ |
| 23:50.42 | spldart | I'm hoping that between the rock {debian package of bzflag locks with 100% cpu usage} and the hard place {not able to build any ver of bzflag} that maybe this package will get him playing on this particular rig |
| 23:50.54 | spldart | s /him/me |
| 23:56.24 | TimRiker | spldart: cpu arch? debian dist? |
| 23:59.00 | spldart | one moment.. just dpkg -i'd your .deb... goin to try it out |
| 23:59.07 | spldart | I may lock up |
