| 00:01.37 | spldart | otheer 3d apps work |
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| 00:18.10 | Winny | I wanna hold you haaaand |
| 00:19.21 | a_meteorite | Winny: mine? how thoughtful! |
| 00:19.24 | a_meteorite | I am always so lonely |
| 00:19.26 | Winny | no. |
| 00:19.28 | Winny | read up. |
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| 00:24.31 | spldart | back...mom and brother called.. car and motorcycle advice |
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| 01:01.01 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03bryjen * r15873 10/trunk/bzflag/ (5 files in 3 dirs): consistently refer to it as LimboMessage and remove unused len parameter in playing.cxx |
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| 01:07.47 | me1 | how do you compile the plugins to make a shared object? I can't find it on the wiki |
| 01:08.03 | a_meteorite | me1: make sure you use the configure switches --enable-shared --enable-plugins |
| 01:08.03 | JeffM | on what OS? |
| 01:08.10 | JeffM | yeah then just build |
| 01:08.23 | JeffM | the normal makefile system should build them for you |
| 01:08.38 | JeffM | if you have libtool |
| 01:08.38 | a_meteorite | JeffM: I seem to have to use those switches to get a .so |
| 01:08.49 | a_meteorite | but, anyhow, that works all the time for me.. :) |
| 01:08.50 | JeffM | probalby in branch yeah |
| 01:09.05 | JeffM | IIRC that'd default in trunk |
| 01:09.44 | Thumper_ | a_meteorite: --enable-shared for v2_0branch and --enable-plugins for trunk IIRC |
| 01:10.08 | a_meteorite | both are listed for configure --help in v2_0branch |
| 01:10.13 | a_meteorite | using both gets me a .so |
| 01:10.26 | Thumper_ | yes but enable-plugins doens't seem to do anything useful (by itself) in v2_0branch |
| 01:10.34 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 01:10.56 | me1 | Oh |
| 01:11.13 | me1 | I know what i did wrong |
| 01:11.15 | me1 | thank |
| 01:11.18 | me1 | s |
| 01:11.35 | JeffM | no |
| 01:11.37 | JeffM | prob |
| 01:11.38 | JeffM | lem |
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| 01:38.20 | brlcad | enable-plugins doesn't do anything on the branch iirc |
| 01:39.39 | brlcad | i'd back-port the changes on head .. but build system tweaks are so not worth it for this minor bump |
| 01:40.46 | brlcad | also, plugins are enabled by default now on the trunk so you don't even really need to add it at all |
| 01:40.56 | brlcad | you can just use --disable-plugins if you want to turn them off |
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| 01:44.13 | brlcad | would anyone have heartache if the ancient remove_flag_id branch were removed? seems scanline was working on that back in 2003 |
| 01:45.44 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r15874 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/autogen.sh: merge from head, slew of about four months of autogen.sh changes |
| 01:46.45 | Thumper_ | brlcad: not I (re: the remove_flag_id branch) |
| 01:47.57 | JeffM | brlcad, do it, all we use now is flag ID |
| 01:48.06 | JeffM | so it's somewhat of a pointless change |
| 01:50.10 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r15875 10/branches/remove_flag_id/: ancient branch, dead activity. no longer anywhere near in sync to be of any practical use. bye bye. |
| 01:51.17 | JeffM | even if it was, it'd basicly break all the flag changes in trunk ;) |
| 01:51.29 | JeffM | the ones that prevent ID cheats from working |
| 01:51.37 | brlcad | yeah, the flag stuff has changed over at least two times since them |
| 01:51.56 | JeffM | the flag ID number is now the only identifier that the client sees |
| 01:52.14 | JeffM | untill the server gives it the flag and shot effect |
| 02:06.08 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03bthansen * r15876 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: Fix packetloss too high message - we're counting packets not milliseconds |
| 02:14.56 | brlcad | another good reason to set the mime-type on the files is so that svn conflicts use the traditional <<<>>> markers instead of dumping the two conflicting revisions to separate files and requiring you to manaully svn resolve them |
| 02:17.33 | JeffM | umm I get the <<>>> and the 2 files |
| 02:22.14 | brlcad | hrm |
| 02:22.58 | brlcad | maybe it just thought that particular file was binary because of unicode content or something |
| 02:23.17 | brlcad | i'll have to keep an eye on the next conflict |
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| 04:01.11 | brlcad | yay, that should mean the remote serial/power port is now in place |
| 04:01.39 | brlcad | that was the scheduled downtime for those that are keeping track |
| 04:03.46 | brlcad | (and the loss of nearly 500 days uptime) |
| 04:05.56 | AAA_awright | On what? |
| 04:06.10 | brlcad | the list server |
| 04:06.20 | AAA_awright | I know it has been down more times then that |
| 04:06.40 | brlcad | the server has not |
| 04:06.52 | brlcad | perhaps a particular service, like httpd |
| 04:07.05 | AAA_awright | The uptime counter then? Where is that? |
| 04:07.14 | brlcad | ... server uptime |
| 04:07.18 | AAA_awright | Ah, "uptime" |
| 04:07.39 | brlcad | is there some other kind? |
| 04:07.49 | a_meteorite | 1337 uptime |
| 04:07.57 | AAA_awright | The command, I meant. |
| 04:08.00 | AAA_awright | Ditto meteorite. |
| 04:08.13 | brlcad | the command is not the result |
| 04:08.18 | brlcad | the server has a running uptime |
| 04:08.23 | brlcad | the uptime command merely reports it |
| 04:08.24 | a_meteorite | some people really do consider their uptime as making them 1337 or not |
| 04:08.33 | brlcad | as well as a halfdozen other ways to find it |
| 04:09.09 | brlcad | a_meteorite: that's there fallacy |
| 04:09.34 | a_meteorite | yeah, the stupidity of not installing kernel security updates, etc |
| 04:10.14 | a_meteorite | unless you're running something enterprise-critical, in which case you should have a hot spare server to handle the load in which you upgrade your main one |
| 04:10.15 | brlcad | that's not necessarily the case either -- there are plenty of fairly rock solid kernel configurations |
| 04:11.08 | brlcad | at least security-wise, there's plenty of ways to maintain a high uptime and still uphold some high standard of being "secure" |
| 04:13.09 | AAA_awright | There are ways (complex ways) to swap out the kernel while running? |
| 04:13.33 | brlcad | generally speaking, not the core of the kernel itself |
| 04:13.50 | brlcad | therein being one of the many motivators for a microkernel-based architecture |
| 04:14.02 | brlcad | so modules can be updated, and the core itself rarely changes |
| 04:15.44 | brlcad | not really much different than even linux's kernel "modules" except that microkernels take it even farther to lower level issues like memory management, basic I/O control, process management, etc |
| 04:16.06 | AAA_awright | Yah |
| 04:16.12 | AAA_awright | Later all |
| 04:21.01 | ShadowSpectre | speaking of microkernal, did you hear QNX is now open source? |
| 04:21.25 | brlcad | yep, pretty awesome |
| 04:22.38 | ShadowSpectre | I guess they woke up and figured the bast way to keep from being beat down is opening it up |
| 04:22.58 | ShadowSpectre | I can't type tonight |
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| 10:30.07 | Licht | hallo |
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| 12:22.13 | CBG` | wtf? http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=114854#114854 |
| 12:24.32 | Manu | CBG: weird post :) |
| 12:26.29 | CBG | I can only think he is replying to donny_baker's signature... lol |
| 12:26.38 | Manu | heh |
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| 13:52.04 | donny_baker | ~CBG-- |
| 13:52.34 | donny_baker | for dangerous |
| 14:00.46 | CBG | :) |
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| 16:12.20 | JeffM | wow. bo is slow |
| 16:13.38 | JeffM | look at mysql chunk away |
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| 16:13.51 | JeffM | i's using more then SportChick |
| 16:14.13 | JeffM | how can irssi use 4-5% of the CPU? |
| 16:14.19 | SportChick | JeffM: ? |
| 16:14.31 | JeffM | looking at CPU load on bzflag.bz |
| 16:14.44 | JeffM | mysql seems horked again |
| 16:15.06 | ruskie | JeffM, depends on the scripts running... |
| 16:15.11 | JeffM | just find it odd that your irssi session is using so much CPU compared to eveything else |
| 16:15.26 | ruskie | I know newsline.pl abuses the cpu quite a bit |
| 16:15.46 | Manu | SportChick, the CPU eater ;) |
| 16:15.47 | SportChick | JeffM: it tends to do that due to the number of channel I'm in |
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| 16:16.50 | brlcad | JeffM: botnet, just got detached |
| 16:16.58 | JeffM | ahhh |
| 16:17.09 | brlcad | but mysql is always high, that's normal |
| 16:17.11 | Manu | brlcad: is that's the reason my irssi was dead? :) |
| 16:17.17 | JeffM | 15 %? |
| 16:17.17 | brlcad | as is sportchick's irssi |
| 16:17.33 | brlcad | yep, it's always "somewhere up there" between 5 and 25 |
| 16:17.35 | JeffM | IIRC it was high, but in the 4-5's usualy |
| 16:18.31 | JeffM | guess it'll take a bit for the web connects to calm down |
| 16:19.17 | brlcad | that is really higher than usual, but yeah.. it was just overloaded and is recovering |
| 16:19.29 | brlcad | almost guaranteed because of the botnet |
| 16:19.38 | JeffM | what'd they hit? list server? |
| 16:20.01 | JeffM | and anyone know who that "pimper" was? |
| 16:26.51 | brlcad | yeesh, either we're getting hit repeatedly, or someone has a script doing bad things |
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| 16:30.12 | brlcad | JeffM: are you working on anything on the site by chance? |
| 16:30.27 | brlcad | anything that might be making http requests |
| 16:30.30 | JeffM | no |
| 16:30.33 | brlcad | k |
| 16:30.57 | JeffM | I mean I have a page up trying to read the boards |
| 16:31.00 | JeffM | that's about it |
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| 16:31.57 | brlcad | nah, that's not it |
| 16:32.04 | brlcad | it's fine now |
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| 16:32.52 | brlcad | probably the same botnet, but it caused a reset 3 times in a row (fairly unusual though not unheard of) due to outbound http request attempts |
| 16:33.05 | forrestv` | why wasn't the list server working about ten minutes ago? |
| 16:33.22 | JeffM | cus it was attacked. |
| 16:33.31 | PeterBz | By whom? |
| 16:33.34 | JeffM | bots |
| 16:33.37 | forrestv` | hacked of DOS'd? |
| 16:33.40 | forrestv` | *or |
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| 16:33.44 | JeffM | botnet |
| 16:33.46 | JeffM | it happens |
| 16:36.11 | brlcad | hope you do realize that blast007 and .. forget the name .. have been working on a new list server, now for several months :) |
| 16:36.21 | JeffM | yeah but it's in php ;) |
| 16:36.25 | blast007 | hehe |
| 16:36.32 | JeffM | it ready to go? |
| 16:36.40 | blast007 | JeffM: not quite |
| 16:36.44 | JeffM | how close? |
| 16:36.52 | JeffM | and how much more efficent will it be? |
| 16:36.54 | blast007 | I have global auth working on it though |
| 16:37.04 | JeffM | does it list games? |
| 16:37.07 | blast007 | yup |
| 16:37.12 | JeffM | then what else does it need? |
| 16:37.44 | blast007 | group support, advertise support, logging, and probably some more validation |
| 16:37.46 | brlcad | wonder what the lightest php-capable httpd there is |
| 16:38.23 | JeffM | blast007, do you think it's php that makes it a pig, or just the way that the php calls the SQL stuff? or is it just that mysql is slow? |
| 16:38.29 | JeffM | now that you've goten into it? |
| 16:38.46 | blast007 | JeffM: hard to say exactly |
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| 16:38.56 | JeffM | cus I'm thinking if we want super light weight, we go C |
| 16:39.11 | blast007 | mine isn't tied to phpbb, so it doesn't have to query multiple databases |
| 16:39.21 | JeffM | the list only needs to deal with a very specifc subset of HTTP |
| 16:39.45 | JeffM | in reality why does it need to use more then just the user DB? |
| 16:39.50 | JeffM | it can keep the rest of the stuff in ram |
| 16:40.17 | JeffM | I'd think that'd be even less of a load |
| 16:41.11 | JeffM | I mean I think we have less then a k of data per server, so that's only like 2-300 k |
| 16:41.11 | blast007 | JeffM: mine probably will at some point, for the server list |
| 16:41.11 | blast007 | mysql has a 'memory' table |
| 16:41.11 | JeffM | are you finding that php is offering any advantage? |
| 16:41.21 | blast007 | the fact that I can code for it :P |
| 16:42.00 | JeffM | well that is one good reason ;) |
| 16:42.08 | JeffM | how complex are the sql calls? |
| 16:42.48 | blast007 | basic |
| 16:43.30 | JeffM | mostly just "gimme this record based on this usnername" I'd think |
| 16:43.46 | JeffM | in your opion do you think that php is the best way? |
| 16:43.55 | blast007 | http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/trunk/db/bzfls2/includes/datalayer.class.php?view=markup <-- queries |
| 16:44.07 | JeffM | or at least a decent way with a reqwrite untill we ldap it? |
| 16:44.23 | blast007 | the way I'm coding it, it could even work for LDAP |
| 16:44.35 | blast007 | we'd just have to change one file |
| 16:44.42 | JeffM | we had talked about just coding up a real app to do list servering |
| 16:44.53 | blast007 | datalayer.class.php contains all the methods for obtaining data |
| 16:45.05 | JeffM | well that's good :) |
| 16:45.22 | JeffM | brlcad, what's your inclincation on the direction it should go? |
| 16:45.24 | blast007 | so you just change how it gets that, and it should be transparent to the rest of the app |
| 16:46.05 | JeffM | are there any lighter weight web server/database systems that run php? |
| 16:46.14 | JeffM | or are we stuck with apache or IIS? |
| 16:46.22 | gsnedders | lighttpd? |
| 16:46.56 | JeffM | and brlcad how many IP's does .bz have? |
| 16:47.52 | JeffM | I wonder if we could put the new list server on a lighterweight server/db on another IP and have the current my.bzflag.org/db URL do a redirect to something like db.bzflag.org |
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| 16:53.46 | JeffM | well I'm sure your php one will be better then mine :) |
| 17:01.56 | blast007 | I don't think the speed of the PHP code is the real issue anyway |
| 17:02.02 | blast007 | the database is likely the bottleneck |
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| 17:39.17 | JeffM | I mostly want an excusse to work on my little HTTP server ;) |
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| 18:44.47 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r15880 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: backport fix to bug 1382559 from head (check for antikick before attempting idlekick to suppress superfluous log messages) |
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| 19:25.05 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r15881 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/mediafile/PNGImageFile.cxx: r13194 from trunk - don't treat input exhaustion as an error. fixes loading of PNGs where the IDAT size is less than the size of a single scanline. |
| 19:27.08 | donny_baker | JeffM: FYI the build happend automatically last night and was successful on bzflag3.norang,ca, IIRC you asked to be told |
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| 19:29.39 | Dessy | hello guys |
| 19:29.46 | Dessy | have some problems with a bzflag server config |
| 19:31.42 | SpazzyMcGee | Dessy: what's the problem? |
| 19:31.53 | Dessy | i have added some flags |
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| 19:32.10 | SpazzyMcGee | And the problem is? |
| 19:32.28 | Dessy | if i start it say invalid shot limit "-ms" |
| 19:32.28 | Dessy | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.52 | Dessy | if i disable the flaggs it work |
| 19:33.31 | SpazzyMcGee | hmmmm... post your conf file. |
| 19:33.37 | Dessy | ok |
| 19:33.39 | Dessy | where? |
| 19:33.40 | SpazzyMcGee | Remember to delete the password. |
| 19:33.45 | Dessy | ya ^ |
| 19:33.49 | SpazzyMcGee | www.pastebin.ca |
| 19:35.46 | Dessy | http://www.pastebin.ca/696203 |
| 19:37.40 | Dessy | and? |
| 19:38.01 | Erroneous | "-sl SW 15 -sl G 3 -sl CL" |
| 19:38.07 | Erroneous | you're missing a number for the CL shot limit |
| 19:38.23 | SpazzyMcGee | that's one thing. |
| 19:38.42 | SpazzyMcGee | line 7, you're using an odd comment marker. |
| 19:39.26 | Thumper_ | probably typo in the public description on line 3 |
| 19:39.53 | Erroneous | maybe there are rats on the server |
| 19:40.00 | Dessy | rats? |
| 19:40.01 | Thumper_ | hence the probably ;) |
| 19:40.02 | Dessy | wha? |
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| 19:40.37 | Dessy | ops |
| 19:40.42 | Erroneous | yeah, rats - "Silvercat Ratation" |
| 19:40.43 | Dessy | that was the wrong button |
| 19:41.24 | Dessy | ah :p |
| 19:45.50 | Dessy | ok |
| 19:45.54 | Dessy | i founf the bug |
| 19:46.05 | Dessy | it was the missing number of shots |
| 19:54.14 | JeffM | donny_baker, cool |
| 19:54.21 | JeffM | how bad does the web page look? :) |
| 19:54.34 | donny_baker | haven't looked :P |
| 19:54.53 | donny_baker | not bad |
| 19:54.54 | JeffM | still bad :) |
| 19:55.03 | tannerld | (happy programmers day) |
| 19:55.04 | JeffM | yeah I need to take the time and give it a header and stuff |
| 19:55.30 | JeffM | use some tables, instead of just HRs to block out the data ;) |
| 19:55.31 | donny_baker | don't have a client that conncets yet, so I can't test that part yet |
| 19:56.10 | donny_baker | wirking on gettin a build environment, but other stuff keeps getting in the way |
| 19:58.54 | JeffM | fun |
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| 20:05.56 | Thumper_ | http://bzflag3.norang.ca:10000/webstats |
| 20:10.15 | donny_baker | yep a table would be nicer :P |
| 20:10.27 | donny_baker | but it still works so that is a + |
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| 20:44.33 | JeffM | hmmmm, first Erroneous gets LCD monitors, then gets taken out to dinner by the VP to talk biz with the vendors... |
| 20:44.51 | ruskie | :) |
| 20:45.05 | Erroneous | heh |
| 20:46.19 | Erroneous | I see your evil plan is still proceeding...one more employee, with JP :) |
| 20:46.24 | JeffM | I realyt should have goten them to agree to a findersfee |
| 20:46.25 | JeffM | yeah |
| 20:46.33 | JeffM | well there is the Jeff rule here |
| 20:46.46 | JeffM | if your a jeff you can only be hired if you know an existing jeff |
| 20:47.16 | Erroneous | heh |
| 20:47.37 | JeffM | I wanted to get l4m3r to work here too, but he want's to do that "Education" thingy |
| 20:48.10 | JeffM | if you know anyone who wants to be Jers IT "female dog" feel free to recomend |
| 20:49.03 | Erroneous | heh |
| 20:49.06 | JeffM | see, once I get over 50% of the people working here that I know, we have a muntiy and start making video games. |
| 20:49.32 | Erroneous | good luck with that one :) |
| 20:49.35 | JeffM | heh |
| 20:49.55 | JeffM | well it'd be better then tracking down bugs that are based on plug-ins changing the floating point control registers |
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| 20:51.50 | JeffM | that X wasn't for VC :( |
| 20:53.02 | JeffM | or just random processes :) |
| 20:53.23 | Erroneous | heh |
| 20:54.04 | Epyon | He, then you'll love this : http://www.cs.unm.edu/~dlchao/flake/doom/ xP |
| 20:54.17 | JeffM | yeah that's old |
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| 21:35.19 | catay | fyi the bzflag3.norang.ca:10000 server is not responding anymore after I played a bit on it |
| 21:36.14 | forrestv | lol, me too |
| 21:36.31 | AAA_awright | How would it be possible to host a single game on both 2.1 and 2.0? |
| 21:37.02 | AAA_awright | Could one create a proxy that translates the protocol? |
| 21:37.06 | JeffM | no |
| 21:37.13 | JeffM | the behavors of the clients are difrent |
| 21:37.26 | JeffM | and more stuff is handled on the server for 2.1 |
| 21:37.31 | JeffM | they are incompatbale |
| 21:37.33 | JeffM | by design |
| 21:37.48 | AAA_awright | Is there a list? |
| 21:37.53 | JeffM | list of what? |
| 21:37.57 | AAA_awright | Changes |
| 21:38.03 | JeffM | yeah, the svn log |
| 21:38.08 | AAA_awright | Heh. |
| 21:38.14 | JeffM | they are major |
| 21:38.17 | JeffM | like flag handling |
| 21:38.20 | JeffM | shot types |
| 21:38.38 | AAA_awright | Create a proxy that equates to a server. |
| 21:38.55 | JeffM | there are things that a 2.0.x client won't have the logic to do |
| 21:38.58 | JeffM | like a new flag |
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| 21:39.03 | JeffM | and shot types |
| 21:39.06 | forrestv | LowGravity |
| 21:39.20 | AAA_awright | How about a 2.1 client on a 2.0 server? |
| 21:39.25 | JeffM | same deal |
| 21:39.33 | JeffM | the 2.1 client has less logic |
| 21:39.45 | JeffM | they are INCOMPATABLE |
| 21:40.15 | AAA_awright | That is why you would change the protocol via proxy... I know it can be done with at Most years of work |
| 21:40.16 | JeffM | you'd have to modfiy one untill it basicly WAS the other |
| 21:40.27 | JeffM | it's more then the actual data bits |
| 21:40.30 | JeffM | it's the logic |
| 21:40.39 | forrestv | catay: can you play on a 2.1 server with me for a little while? i have to test a patch. |
| 21:40.40 | JeffM | a proxy can only translate |
| 21:40.51 | AAA_awright | I mean a completely unmodified client, connecting to a 2.1 server that in turn connects to a 2.0 server |
| 21:40.58 | JeffM | a proxy can't make a cleint have code it does not have |
| 21:41.06 | JeffM | AAA_awright, why? |
| 21:41.19 | catay | forrestv: sure |
| 21:41.26 | JeffM | the 2.0.x client has no way to even represent some things |
| 21:41.27 | AAA_awright | Hypothetical |
| 21:41.46 | JeffM | you'd not be able to translate the flag and shot stuff |
| 21:42.18 | JeffM | the 2.1 server would send a shot type change, and the 2.0.x client would have no way to do that |
| 21:42.24 | JeffM | same for all the allow stuff |
| 21:42.38 | AAA_awright | This is a 2.0 server and 2.1 client, the 2.1 client has no need for shot type changes |
| 21:42.42 | wanda | forrestv: observers allowed? :-) |
| 21:42.46 | JeffM | yes it does |
| 21:42.52 | catay | forrestv: have to give me an address tho :p |
| 21:42.52 | JeffM | all shot info is sent via shot changes ;) |
| 21:43.21 | JeffM | when you pick up a flag, your shot ins't changed untill you get the shot change. |
| 21:43.45 | JeffM | you could probalby run 2 servers in paralell and hack them up to move generic things like tanks |
| 21:43.47 | JeffM | and shots |
| 21:43.50 | JeffM | but it'd be a mess |
| 21:44.04 | JeffM | and there would be ways in which they bahave diferent |
| 21:44.14 | JeffM | collisons |
| 21:44.24 | JeffM | and more, if we get more moved to the server. |
| 21:44.37 | AAA_awright | So you could just program the proxy so when the 2.1 client picks up a flag, the proxy sends all necessary information that 2.0 doesn't supply |
| 21:44.57 | JeffM | you could also have prlblems with lag, if a 2.0.x client thinks it picked up a flag, but the 2.1 server didn't think they did |
| 21:45.10 | JeffM | AAA_awright, for that one case, probably |
| 21:45.11 | forrestv | catay: its on the public list. try connecting |
| 21:45.15 | JeffM | but again, why? |
| 21:45.34 | AAA_awright | It's something interesting and useless to program. Like my PHP server. |
| 21:45.36 | JeffM | you'd have to find some subset of the high level data that you repliacte |
| 21:45.42 | JeffM | and then do that |
| 21:46.03 | JeffM | 2.1 is constantly changing |
| 21:46.30 | JeffM | I'm also trying to think if anything was removed from 2.1 |
| 21:46.36 | AAA_awright | On another note, 2.1 beta never times out when it can't connect to a server, or something like that |
| 21:46.44 | AAA_awright | "pre-alpha" |
| 21:46.46 | JeffM | you went into the future and got a 2.1 beta? |
| 21:46.47 | AAA_awright | On windows |
| 21:46.48 | JeffM | ahh |
| 21:46.55 | JeffM | good for it |
| 21:47.13 | AAA_awright | Okay, now it died. |
| 21:47.24 | JeffM | how long? |
| 21:47.41 | AAA_awright | A minute or two |
| 21:47.49 | JeffM | seems exsessive |
| 21:48.11 | JeffM | same on other OSs? |
| 21:49.03 | catay | forrestv: I don't see it |
| 21:49.32 | AAA_awright | I can't tell |
| 21:50.08 | forrestv | catay: voight.biz:5154 |
| 21:53.13 | TD-Linux | btw on a reconnect, are the previous error messages cleared from the menu yet? |
| 21:58.48 | AAA_awright | Problems with the list server last night? I just got 25 could not connect messages in my errors inbox. |
| 22:03.31 | forrestv | does bzfs run on arm? |
| 22:04.16 | TD-Linux | probably |
| 22:04.25 | TD-Linux | I think someone managed to run it on their wrt54g |
| 22:04.37 | forrestv | lol, i'm trying to run it on a NSLU2 |
| 22:07.21 | AAA_awright | TD-Linux: I said a while ago that running it on my linksys would be neat, did someone actually do that now? |
| 22:07.48 | forrestv | AAA_awright: what linksys? |
| 22:07.58 | AAA_awright | The wrt54g |
| 22:08.34 | forrestv | i have a linksys NSLU2 |
| 22:09.43 | Erroneous | TimRiker had it running on a wrt54g long long ago iirc |
| 22:09.56 | AAA_awright | O? |
| 22:11.14 | Erroneous | and yes, generally speaking it will run on any architecture that can support a reasonable unix variant |
| 22:11.47 | Erroneous | and if it doesn't, you're welcome to complain |
| 22:11.56 | Erroneous | portability is important to us |
| 22:21.45 | CBG | Damn this! BZFS won't run on my donut maker!! |
| 22:21.59 | CBG | That sucks. It works great on the toaster, but not the donut machine?! |
| 22:22.12 | CBG | Sort it out guys! This just aint good enough! |
| 22:24.09 | Winny | CBG: eh? |
| 22:24.28 | bryjen | can't be done. the donut machine has too many holes in it ;) |
| 22:24.32 | CBG | Look at the 4 lines above my first..... |
| 22:24.43 | Winny | k |
| 22:24.57 | CBG | bryjen: Dang! What about my microwave? |
| 22:24.58 | SpazzyMcGee | The kettle keeps giving me an error. |
| 22:25.21 | SpazzyMcGee | Might be an error in the conf I fed into the spout. |
| 22:25.36 | CBG | Kettle's used to run BSD but now they have their own crappy OS... :( |
| 22:26.22 | bryjen | the microwave perhaps. definately need wired ethernet. too much interference for WiFi :) |
| 22:27.07 | SpazzyMcGee | The sink hasn't seen a major update for years. It's starting to limescale up. |
| 22:28.58 | TD-Linux | I still think fridges are the best |
| 22:29.06 | TD-Linux | excellent speed & cooling |
| 22:31.43 | delusional | runs fine on my lawn mower |
| 22:33.46 | CBG | fridge already has loads of room for upgrades and stuff |
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| 22:34.11 | SpazzyMcGee | We had a lecture on superconductors cooled with liquid helium |
| 22:35.07 | SpazzyMcGee | the bulk of MRI scanners is actually liquid helium cooling. |
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| 22:35.55 | SpazzyMcGee | Levitating trains too. |
| 22:36.53 | Winny | You sound oh so excited. |
| 22:37.06 | Winny | I can't beleive how excited you sound. |
| 22:38.28 | SpazzyMcGee | So what If I like the prospect of levitating trains? |
| 22:39.35 | SpazzyMcGee | Are we all of a sudden anti-intelectual?. |
| 22:41.25 | Winny | whooosh |
| 22:41.39 | SpazzyMcGee | yes. wooosh, indeed. |
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| 22:51.45 | delusional | i gave a "current events" report in 7'th grade science class about levitating trains |
| 22:51.54 | delusional | got an A |
| 22:52.32 | delusional | that was 25 years ago |
| 23:07.35 | Thumper_ | catay: yup it's in a hard loop pegging the CPU at 99% :-P |
| 23:07.37 | Thumper_ | restarted. |
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| 23:39.57 | JeffM | whoot. got an HTTP server that takes up 100% of the CPU :) |
| 23:42.41 | CBG | not 110%? :P |
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