| 00:00.35 | Swiss_Chesse | aerate |?e(?)r?t| verb [ trans. ] introduce air into (a material) |
| 00:02.33 | Swiss_Chesse | *cough* conversation killer |
| 00:02.56 | Winny | So... have you seen that new definition on aerate? |
| 00:03.04 | Swiss_Chesse | *tumble weed* |
| 00:03.31 | Winny | Hm... 2.0.10... anyone want a shinier logo? :p |
| 00:04.51 | Swiss_Chesse | "There is no chance of another release in the 2.0.x line" they said. |
| 00:05.21 | Winny | " 2.0.10RC 1 code freeze 9/17/07" |
| 00:05.35 | Constitution | Swiss_Chesse: http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_2.0.10 |
| 00:05.57 | CBG | why don't ya? |
| 00:06.09 | DTRemenak | http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/ |
| 00:06.11 | Winny | DTRemenak: want a newish logo? |
| 00:06.26 | DTRemenak | products that change logos frequently ought to have somebody shot |
| 00:06.33 | DTRemenak | maybe for 2.2 |
| 00:06.41 | Winny | k |
| 00:07.02 | DTRemenak | I think there's some mac image that changes every release though. might ask brlcad and/or saturos about it |
| 00:07.20 | CBG | great. |
| 00:07.22 | CBG | thanks. |
| 00:07.56 | Constitution | the background image for the disk image window? |
| 00:07.57 | DTRemenak | Swiss_Chesse: http://my.bzflag.org/wiki/index.php?title=BZFlag_2.0.9&oldid=1821 says "there are currently no plans" |
| 00:07.58 | CBG | I'll remember to owe you one, cons-damnit-can't-tab-complete-you-here-either-you-damn-ghost!! |
| 00:08.14 | DTRemenak | I still don't see anything about "no chance" though :) |
| 00:08.20 | Constitution | ~CBG-- |
| 00:08.21 | Swiss_Chesse | Gah! |
| 00:09.38 | brlcad | I generally like to change the mac disk image background every release |
| 00:09.53 | brlcad | it's just a matter of copying it into the dmg come release-day |
| 00:11.10 | Swiss_Chesse | What was it that had a graphic of lots of rendered tanks arranged in a circle, all pointing at the application? |
| 00:11.25 | Swiss_Chesse | Was it a 2.1 alpha? |
| 00:13.10 | brlcad | one of several images that saturos prepared for the last release |
| 00:14.15 | Swiss_Chesse | well, I liked it.A smile in the mind, as they say. |
| 00:14.22 | AAA_awright | Anyone want me to fix "No plans for 2.0.10" on http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_2.0.9? |
| 00:14.33 | Winny | AAA_awright: you could. |
| 00:14.38 | DTRemenak | it doesn't say that anymore |
| 00:14.44 | AAA_awright | Wait... "A long time there were no plans to release a" |
| 00:14.45 | DTRemenak | that's why I linked to an oldid |
| 00:14.56 | AAA_awright | That doesn't make any sense, Thats what I meant |
| 00:15.08 | DTRemenak | well if something doesn't make sense, you don't have to ask to fix it :) |
| 00:15.58 | AAA_awright | 2.0.10 says "fixed issues on some SMP Linux systems due to bad timekeeping - A. W. Wright" |
| 00:16.20 | AAA_awright | What fix is that? |
| 00:16.41 | DTRemenak | preventing backwards clock ticks maybe? |
| 00:17.04 | AAA_awright | I didn't know I proposed a time keeper fix |
| 00:19.58 | DTRemenak | r14776 by brlcad added that line to news |
| 00:20.01 | brlcad | you provided a patch even |
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| 00:20.20 | DTRemenak | and he committed the change to timekeeper also, so I suppose he probably knows where it came from |
| 00:20.32 | AAA_awright | Gonna check |
| 00:20.39 | DTRemenak | http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/trunk/bzflag/src/common/TimeKeeper.cxx?r1=14211&r2=14212 ring any bells? |
| 00:20.41 | brlcad | it was all discussion in here |
| 00:21.07 | AAA_awright | I don't recognize that code :S |
| 00:21.15 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 00:21.29 | brlcad | i can't help you with that |
| 00:21.36 | brlcad | do you want your name removed? |
| 00:21.59 | brlcad | otherwise... feel free to peruse the irc logs from a few months back |
| 00:22.45 | AAA_awright | I just want the right person to be credited |
| 00:23.45 | Winny | LOL ALERT: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=114740#114740 |
| 00:24.06 | Constitution | lol |
| 00:24.16 | Winny | blast007: should I tell him again? ;) |
| 00:25.55 | AAA_awright | "Probationary Account"? What's that? I don't want to guess... |
| 00:26.19 | Winny | AAA_awright: he is 8, never sent in a COPPA form |
| 00:26.26 | brlcad | AAA_awright: i may have credited the wrong person, or thought you were someone else at the time |
| 00:26.29 | brlcad | I'll check the logs |
| 00:26.33 | AAA_awright | k |
| 00:26.41 | DTRemenak | brlcad: looking at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/20070513.html.gz I don't see any provided patches, but biggeruniverse was ranting about the timing issues and provided some pseudocode snippets |
| 00:26.42 | brlcad | that was back in may or so iirc |
| 00:26.48 | Epyon | lol |
| 00:27.57 | brlcad | ah, yes .. seems I did confuse you two .. :) |
| 00:28.57 | DTRemenak | the first iteration of the proc affinity stuff was also from him iirc |
| 00:29.27 | DTRemenak | I don't see anything I recognize as that in the changelog though |
| 00:29.45 | DTRemenak | so I'm not sure we know his realname |
| 00:33.34 | brlcad | yeah, I might have thought they were the same guy that day |
| 00:33.41 | brlcad | they do talk a lot alike sometimes.. *ahem* :) |
| 00:34.15 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 00:42.05 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r15833 10/trunk/bzflag/NEWS: it wasn't wright, it was biggeruniverse |
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| 00:46.23 | blast007 | heh |
| 00:46.28 | bryjen | anyone else has missing (rendered as spaces) characters with the 2.1 font system? i'm missing j # { } | |
| 00:47.01 | bryjen | in the chat panel and scoreboard |
| 00:47.32 | bryjen | oops, # is OK, $ is missing |
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| 00:56.28 | AAA_awright | Will check |
| 00:57.54 | AAA_awright | bryjen: I have those in both the menu font and chat font |
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| 00:59.11 | quantumdot | manu ping |
| 00:59.33 | quantumdot | we have a cheater (Reactos) at viper2.pimpi.org |
| 01:04.08 | bryjen | hrm. i had been blaming the wierd lag on my 2.1 bzfs on it running Epyon's map generator for two instances. not doing that now, and still goofy. :( |
| 01:06.33 | bryjen | Constitution: or anyone awake, can i get a version 2.0 tank or two on bryjen.bzflag.org:5154 to see if its laggy there too? |
| 01:06.51 | blast007 | bryjen: be right there |
| 01:06.52 | Constitution | I presume you mean 2.1... |
| 01:07.00 | Constitution | erm, never mind |
| 01:07.03 | blast007 | Constitution: no, he's seeing if 2.0 is bad too |
| 01:07.19 | bryjen | no, trying to isolate the problem to version differences or just the server's connection |
| 01:07.23 | Constitution | right... coming |
| 01:18.28 | bryjen | well, that one works OK :/ |
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| 01:23.19 | bryjen | blast007: care to try v2.1 on :5155 ? others welcome too :) |
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| 01:37.19 | bryjen | holy carp, 10.5s jitter :O |
| 02:00.02 | bryjen | blast007: did you stop the server or did it crash? |
| 02:00.24 | blast007 | "Segmentation fault" ;) |
| 02:00.34 | Thumper_ | you guys got any leftover zombie bzflag clients? |
| 02:00.56 | bryjen | none here |
| 02:01.00 | Thumper_ | 2 yere :/ |
| 02:01.01 | blast007 | nope |
| 02:01.02 | Thumper_ | here* |
| 02:01.05 | blast007 | shut mine down |
| 02:01.14 | blast007 | what do you mean "zombie" ? |
| 02:01.20 | Thumper_ | 22614 ? Zs 0:03 [bzflag] <defunct> |
| 02:01.28 | Thumper_ | can't kill em. won't go away :) |
| 02:01.39 | blast007 | nothing in my Task Manager *cough*windows*cough* |
| 02:01.47 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 02:15.41 | bryjen | ~seen DTRemenak |
| 02:15.43 | ibot | dtremenak is currently on #bzflag (1d 21h 52m 37s) ##essy (1d 21h 52m 37s). Has said a total of 27 messages. Is idling for 1h 41m 28s, last said: 'heh'. |
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| 03:34.45 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03bthansen * r15834 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: |
| 03:34.45 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: No HUD marker for Cloaked tanks |
| 03:34.45 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: Stealth tanks don't get markers on the HUD unless you have the Seer flag. |
| 03:34.45 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: Cloaked tanks should be the same otherwise you just shoot at the marker |
| 03:34.45 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: and the Cloaking flag is useless. |
| 03:37.45 | AAA_awright | Markers? |
| 03:38.02 | AAA_awright | Or labels? Labels while playing? |
| 03:46.49 | AAA_awright | Do we still like the triangles inside buildings? |
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| 03:47.03 | AAA_awright | Or are better OO and PZ effects needed? |
| 03:52.30 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03bthansen * r15835 10/trunk/bzflag/BUGS: |
| 03:52.30 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: More bugs - Segfaults |
| 03:52.30 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: Add descriptions of two segfaults and fix some whitespace |
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| 04:05.10 | AAA_awright | Thats a bunch of bugs there o.o |
| 04:05.38 | AAA_awright | Who broke Jumping? Come on. |
| 04:05.53 | AAA_awright | Test your changes, please? |
| 04:06.58 | Constitution | AAA_awright: most "breaks" are the unintended results of changes elsewhere in the code or new features that are only partially implemented |
| 04:07.30 | Constitution | if everyone waited to commit their chanes until they had tested every part of the game thoroughly, it would take a lot longer, and they wouldn't get any help with it |
| 04:07.38 | AAA_awright | You can't see what commit broke it if you cannot even start the client though |
| 04:08.07 | Constitution | what do you mean? |
| 04:08.51 | AAA_awright | If I can't even start the client because of a fatal bug, like the server list sorting one, you can't even test what commit added it |
| 04:09.15 | Constitution | if you cannot start the client, fire up a debugger and determine why not :) |
| 04:09.17 | AAA_awright | Something which I try and do, but that's hard to do if things get committed broken. |
| 04:09.18 | DTRemenak | the list server being sorted or not is purely cosmetic |
| 04:09.30 | DTRemenak | shouldn't interfere with testing at all |
| 04:09.45 | DTRemenak | in fact, the list server not existing shouldn't interfere with testing |
| 04:09.46 | AAA_awright | It was a fatal error, you could not connect to a server |
| 04:09.50 | DTRemenak | you can always type in addresses |
| 04:10.06 | AAA_awright | If you type in a password, it will still do a LIST |
| 04:10.17 | DTRemenak | doesn't need to get a response though |
| 04:10.30 | AAA_awright | IF you do, it crashes it though |
| 04:10.36 | DTRemenak | it'll time out and connect anyway |
| 04:10.37 | AAA_awright | I forgot to take the password out to test |
| 04:10.45 | DTRemenak | if it crashes, that's a bug |
| 04:10.48 | AAA_awright | I will when I start doing who-broke-it testing later |
| 04:10.58 | DTRemenak | but "not sorting" is NOT a test-breaking bug |
| 04:11.14 | AAA_awright | Not sorting isn't, crashing when sorting IS |
| 04:11.51 | DTRemenak | crashing when sorting was a windows-only, debug-build-only issue |
| 04:12.00 | DTRemenak | you can't blame that on "not testing before checking in" |
| 04:12.14 | DTRemenak | and crashes are easy to fix |
| 04:12.32 | AAA_awright | That crash wasn't fixed until I started trying to fix it |
| 04:12.45 | DTRemenak | correct. so? |
| 04:12.56 | DTRemenak | nobody knew it was a problem |
| 04:13.13 | AAA_awright | So... it was a week where couldn't figure out what was going on? |
| 04:14.08 | DTRemenak | you do know that only two core developers actually run on windows, right? |
| 04:14.23 | AAA_awright | Yah |
| 04:14.34 | DTRemenak | and probably only three or four people total semi-regularly build on windows |
| 04:14.34 | AAA_awright | No big deal now that I know a workaround, but if you don't know what causes it, you don't know a work around (usually) |
| 04:14.55 | AAA_awright | I do regular client builds on windows and server builds on linux |
| 04:15.11 | DTRemenak | good |
| 04:16.33 | AAA_awright | Glad to know I can be the only person to test each Windows build |
| 04:17.52 | DTRemenak | if a tree falls in a forest and nobody hears it, does it make a sound? :) |
| 04:19.13 | DTRemenak | if something breaks, complain, and it'll get fixed |
| 04:19.20 | DTRemenak | squeaky wheel gets the grease and all |
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| 04:20.06 | AAA_awright | I did complain about the list server, I had to (start) fixing it before you found the real problem |
| 04:20.19 | AAA_awright | Took a week, it got done though :p |
| 04:21.06 | DTRemenak | doesn't mean there weren't any, of course |
| 04:21.42 | AAA_awright | I'll do more testing later, I want to get those bugs on the BUGS list fixed, now that I know how to use the MSVC debugger. |
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| 05:19.03 | Constitution | in the proposed new group management system, will a strict "organization.group" framework be appropriate, or will there need to be exceptions (for instance, a group name on its own)? |
| 05:26.29 | DTRemenak | no, no exceptions |
| 05:26.43 | DTRemenak | we'll reorganize existing standalone groups as necessary |
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| 06:00.21 | JeffM | DTRemenak: you awake? |
| 06:14.33 | Epyon | Anyone here could suggest a good affordable VPS? |
| 06:15.02 | macsforme | vpsland |
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| 06:18.27 | Epyon | Constitution, funny, that's the one that I've been wondering about :P |
| 06:18.41 | Constitution | :) |
| 06:18.49 | Epyon | Constitution, you used/use it? |
| 06:18.59 | Constitution | yep, that's what the fairserve.bzflag.org servers are on |
| 06:19.05 | Epyon | O.o |
| 06:19.09 | Constitution | as well as the bzflagr.net servers |
| 06:19.20 | Epyon | Constitution, do you know which plan they're on? |
| 06:19.31 | Constitution | custom plan |
| 06:19.34 | Constitution | mine is too |
| 06:20.01 | Epyon | what do you mean by "custom"? |
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| 06:20.27 | Constitution | not one of their eight or whatever standard plans that they offer |
| 06:20.47 | Epyon | how did you get that? And why did you choose a custom one? |
| 06:21.18 | Constitution | their standard ones didn't provide enough bandwidth, so I emailed them to cancel, and they made a deal with me :) |
| 06:21.40 | Constitution | I think Winny (who manages the bzflagr.net servers) just emailed them and modified one of their standard plans slightly |
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| 06:22.48 | Epyon | uh, that happens sometimes -_- |
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| 08:35.25 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03macsforme * r15836 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzfs/BanCommands.cxx: Notice of /kill protection goes to the one who gave the command, not the one he was trying to kill. |
| 08:39.08 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03macsforme * r15837 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzfs/BanCommands.cxx: This is /kill, not /kick. |
| 09:13.02 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03macsforme * r15838 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzfs/BanCommands.cxx: Don't allow /kill on players who aren't alive. |
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| 10:14.15 | Constitution | Any of the mac people who are interested, I got some data on the FontManager crash in 2.1, and opened a bug on SF. I'll continue to try to figure it out, but I'm running out of ideas, and could use a little help. |
| 10:14.17 | Constitution | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1791487&group_id=3248&atid=103248 |
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| 10:54.26 | Winny | Epyon: I modified the cheapest plan, only pay 15$, but if I were you I'd get at least the 20. |
| 10:56.33 | Winny | What?! no /kill on dead players.. :( Thats how you send a point :p |
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| 12:13.36 | delusional_ | constitution, i would first suggest using gcc 4.2 |
| 12:17.13 | ruskie | lol |
| 12:17.26 | ruskie | wait for 4.2.2 then or use atleast 4.2.1 :) |
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| 15:07.08 | Pommes_ | I think the listserver is down? |
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| 15:11.56 | brlcad | ~bzfls |
| 15:11.57 | ibot | it has been said that bzfls is see "bzflist""bzflist17" to query it here |
| 15:12.03 | brlcad | ~bzflist |
| 15:12.13 | brlcad | apparently not |
| 15:15.12 | Pommes_ | it's back |
| 15:15.18 | Pommes_ | but it WAS gone :) |
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| 15:41.58 | donny_baker | anyone know what the config file switch is to prevent bzflag from minimizing on a w32 patform? |
| 15:43.03 | DTRemenak | Win32NoMin iirc |
| 15:43.53 | donny_baker | ~DTRemenak++ |
| 15:44.03 | donny_baker | i had it backwards |
| 15:45.25 | brlcad | ~++kanemeRTD |
| 15:45.27 | donny_baker | is there documentation on the clientCommands that are valid? or would that be a good wiki project? |
| 15:45.47 | donny_baker | rofl |
| 15:46.13 | brlcad | no docs afaik |
| 15:46.29 | brlcad | and changes frequently, so probably would be good if that's not up there somewhere already |
| 15:47.11 | donny_baker | k, i'll start picking through clientCommands.cxx, that should be the only place they are defined, correct? |
| 15:47.24 | brlcad | yep |
| 15:47.31 | brlcad | er |
| 15:48.24 | brlcad | not exactly |
| 15:48.49 | brlcad | Win32NoMin just happens to be a bzdb check in there, but could just as likely have been anywhere in the code |
| 15:49.07 | brlcad | it unfortunately doesn't have a default (which it probably should) |
| 15:49.29 | donny_baker | k, but it will still be a good place to start... no? |
| 15:49.41 | brlcad | there are more like that, the only real way to get them all would be to scan all occurrances of BZDB |
| 15:49.53 | donny_baker | easy enough to do |
| 15:50.00 | brlcad | more that actually have defaults are in src/bzflag/defaultBZDB.cxx |
| 15:50.13 | donny_baker | i'll go that route, thanks |
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| 16:15.58 | ts | ~seen brad |
| 16:16.00 | ibot | brad is currently on #bzflag (3d 16h 40m 40s) #kierra (3d 16h 40m 40s) #pillbox (3d 16h 40m 40s) ##ducleague (3d 16h 40m 40s) ##guleague (3d 16h 40m 40s) ##essy (3d 16h 40m 40s), last said: 'no?'. |
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| 17:10.05 | JeffM | ahh it must be fall, time for somone to atempt to propose that some sort of client key or data will do any actual good :) |
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| 17:11.22 | Erroneous | clock skew is actually a reasonably difficult to falsify id system |
| 17:11.37 | JeffM | could they not just delay the packets? |
| 17:11.46 | Erroneous | it's also relatively unreliable (lots of false positives/negatives) |
| 17:11.50 | Erroneous | no |
| 17:11.59 | JeffM | or is it some sort of time stamp in the TCP packet itself? |
| 17:12.01 | Erroneous | yes |
| 17:12.14 | JeffM | so a packet proxy could muck with the packets |
| 17:12.20 | Erroneous | they could modify their os, or use a re-stamping relay system (separate box, like xbox cheaters) |
| 17:12.36 | Erroneous | both of which are nontrivial |
| 17:12.55 | JeffM | that just means they'd use existing proxies |
| 17:13.02 | Erroneous | proxies won't do it |
| 17:13.07 | Erroneous | most proxies are simple relays |
| 17:13.08 | JeffM | well relay thing |
| 17:13.20 | Erroneous | you have to use one that will strip the packets |
| 17:13.31 | JeffM | just the headers right? |
| 17:13.35 | Erroneous | and besides, connecting through proxies is a bad idea to play anyway |
| 17:13.39 | Erroneous | yeah, tcp headers |
| 17:13.59 | JeffM | if xbox cheates do it now, that means that there are existing systems to do it |
| 17:14.17 | JeffM | and probably a windows driver for a virtual network device that does it ;) |
| 17:14.23 | Erroneous | yeah...it involves using a computer as a gateway to modify the packet contents |
| 17:14.32 | JeffM | I don't think it'll buy us much of anything |
| 17:14.48 | Erroneous | I didn't say it was a good idea...just better than most we get this time of year :) |
| 17:15.06 | Erroneous | not vulnerable to the typical "well you can just build your own client" answer |
| 17:16.17 | Erroneous | the biggest problem is not that it can be falsified, it's that detection methods are still very primitive. if I can only say it's the same system with 85% certainity, that's not really good enough |
| 17:20.28 | JeffM | nope |
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| 17:48.39 | JeffM | one way that could maybe do something but would involve an assload of data, would be to change the download system to throw some sort of key into the data dir, and log that key with the download into a db. then you have to send that key to us |
| 17:48.47 | JeffM | we match it to our database and your cool |
| 17:48.59 | JeffM | if they mod it, they'd have to guess another valid key |
| 17:49.18 | JeffM | possible, but dificult |
| 17:49.35 | JeffM | and an assload of work on our backend |
| 17:49.49 | JeffM | it'd also be simple to harvest those keys with a server. |
| 17:50.19 | L4m3r | unless you rolled it into a token |
| 17:50.25 | JeffM | yeah |
| 17:50.31 | JeffM | have the list do it |
| 17:50.40 | JeffM | still lot of data on our backend |
| 17:50.44 | L4m3r | but even then, meh |
| 17:51.01 | JeffM | and that would totaly NOT work for the included distros |
| 17:51.04 | JeffM | yeah it would be |
| 17:51.24 | JeffM | or hell, just going reg only does it ;) |
| 17:51.25 | L4m3r | locking the damn door is easier than building a big fence :) |
| 17:51.30 | JeffM | yeah |
| 17:51.41 | JeffM | specialy when they have bolt cutters |
| 17:51.46 | L4m3r | heh |
| 17:51.49 | JeffM | and server fixes arn't locking the door |
| 17:51.57 | JeffM | it's making the door too small to fit into |
| 17:52.02 | L4m3r | true |
| 17:52.08 | JeffM | there would be just things you CAN't do |
| 17:54.20 | L4m3r | I just love how the guy is so sure about it, and thinks that we're just hopeless skeptics when we say it won't work... |
| 17:54.31 | JeffM | no he's not, he just comes off that way |
| 17:54.39 | JeffM | I talked to him on yahoo IM this morning |
| 17:54.50 | JeffM | he's just trying to apply his job to the "problem" |
| 17:54.57 | JeffM | he's a security and allarm guy |
| 17:55.11 | JeffM | used to trusting both sides, and controlling the entire install procedure. |
| 17:55.41 | JeffM | he means well, he just don't have a deep enough grasp of the entire problem |
| 17:59.19 | L4m3r | ah |
| 17:59.40 | JeffM | so that's why he's just focusing on crytpo based solutions. |
| 18:00.03 | Thumper_ | Just so I don't get yelled at :) is the pending code free for the v2_0branch only or trunk or both? |
| 18:00.17 | JeffM | branch |
| 18:00.20 | Thumper_ | thx |
| 18:00.27 | JeffM | if by free you mean freeze ;) |
| 18:00.38 | Thumper_ | err yeah - free(ze) |
| 18:01.03 | Thumper_ | or... I was trying to speak Jeff's language (that seemed to work) ;) |
| 18:02.34 | JeffM | the bigest thing I think he dosn't "get" is that all his solutions are just other ways of forcing everyone to log in. |
| 18:02.44 | JeffM | and servers arn't doing that |
| 18:04.26 | JeffM | now his most scarry idea was sending the client executable code to run ;) |
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| 18:06.40 | JeffM | Erroneous, care to give your opinon on some color variations for military uniforms? |
| 18:07.04 | Erroneous | color variations? |
| 18:07.26 | JeffM | yeah, colors for each branch, based off the same base uniform |
| 18:07.27 | JeffM | http://www.opencombat.net/files/images/pridejoy/UPA_Uniform_Variants.png |
| 18:07.59 | JeffM | science fiction and stuff ;) |
| 18:08.25 | donny_baker | those were nice Jeff, saw them this morning |
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| 18:08.33 | JeffM | I did not draw them |
| 18:08.42 | donny_baker | yeah, i saw that :P |
| 18:08.44 | Erroneous | reminds me of trek's uniforms |
| 18:08.53 | JeffM | Erroneous, MAAAAYYYYBBBBEEEEEEE ;) |
| 18:09.06 | JeffM | more pockets |
| 18:09.09 | Erroneous | heh |
| 18:09.12 | JeffM | (not shown) |
| 18:09.24 | Erroneous | look fine to me |
| 18:09.25 | JeffM | but yeah I used the 2 tone part from that for insperation |
| 18:09.29 | donny_baker | no boomerang insignia either |
| 18:09.43 | Erroneous | what do you call a boomerang that doesn't return? |
| 18:09.45 | JeffM | there is suposed to be a shoulder patch |
| 18:09.49 | JeffM | a bent stick |
| 18:09.57 | Erroneous | JeffM gets the prize |
| 18:10.31 | JeffM | in the story I'm writing I wanted each branch to use the same uniform, just with difrent coloring |
| 18:10.38 | JeffM | and same ranking systems |
| 18:10.46 | JeffM | probably use what I made for BZBB :) |
| 18:11.17 | donny_baker | how about something french looking, like a red/blue |
| 18:11.40 | JeffM | for what branch? |
| 18:11.57 | JeffM | there are no more countries |
| 18:12.06 | donny_baker | could be an special MP or something, honor guard |
| 18:12.19 | JeffM | no.. YOU have no honor! ;) |
| 18:12.22 | donny_baker | or navy for that matter |
| 18:12.27 | donny_baker | heh |
| 18:12.30 | JeffM | navy == space |
| 18:12.46 | donny_baker | yeah.. includes the airforce |
| 18:12.50 | JeffM | noone uses botts anymore |
| 18:12.53 | JeffM | boats |
| 18:13.01 | JeffM | not when you can just do orbital bombardment |
| 18:13.15 | JeffM | yeah it's got robots ;) |
| 18:13.25 | JeffM | robot waites |
| 18:13.27 | JeffM | waiters |
| 18:14.07 | JeffM | ship names are a pain to come up with :( |
| 18:14.46 | Erroneous | why? |
| 18:14.55 | Erroneous | there are lots of potential themes |
| 18:14.58 | JeffM | yeah there are |
| 18:15.08 | JeffM | I'm just not good with them ;) |
| 18:15.18 | JeffM | and there can only be one U.S.S. Awesome |
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| 18:15.32 | Erroneous | come up with a system and make a bunch of lists |
| 18:15.39 | Erroneous | then any time you need one, just pull it off a list |
| 18:15.41 | JeffM | the main ship is currently named the Gainsburough |
| 18:16.01 | Erroneous | Gainsborough? |
| 18:16.05 | JeffM | yeah |
| 18:16.26 | JeffM | yeah |
| 18:16.32 | JeffM | it spellcorrects it ;) |
| 18:16.38 | Erroneous | heh |
| 18:16.49 | Erroneous | and why gainsborough? |
| 18:16.50 | JeffM | tho I am well aware that the entire document will need |
| 18:16.54 | JeffM | a spellcheck |
| 18:17.02 | JeffM | it's a street down the road from my house |
| 18:17.04 | Erroneous | ah |
| 18:17.13 | JeffM | and it sounds shippy |
| 18:17.19 | Erroneous | gainsborough was an artist |
| 18:17.20 | JeffM | long and british |
| 18:17.39 | Erroneous | 18th century painter dude |
| 18:17.56 | JeffM | maybe it was named after the great war hero Bob Gainsburough, in 2058.. |
| 18:18.09 | Erroneous | could be |
| 18:18.20 | Erroneous | but then you need to make up names to match the war hero theme :) |
| 18:18.34 | Erroneous | if you say it was named after the artist, then you can rip off other artists' names too |
| 18:18.54 | JeffM | are all the ships in a force always done in a theme? or just ones in the same class? |
| 18:19.11 | Erroneous | generally by type |
| 18:19.22 | Erroneous | i.e. battleships are named after states |
| 18:19.25 | Erroneous | regardless of class |
| 18:19.25 | JeffM | ahh |
| 18:19.33 | JeffM | what about carriers? |
| 18:19.47 | Erroneous | recently, presidents |
| 18:19.59 | JeffM | tho this is kinda combo destroyer/carrier |
| 18:20.07 | JeffM | long range, independent stuff. |
| 18:20.10 | Agent86 | Galactica |
| 18:20.14 | JeffM | heh |
| 18:20.20 | JeffM | somehow I don't think that one will fly ;) |
| 18:20.25 | Agent86 | Pegasus? |
| 18:20.41 | JeffM | those arn't realy related. |
| 18:20.55 | Agent86 | Hrm? They're both battlestars. |
| 18:21.02 | JeffM | but the names don't match a theme |
| 18:21.27 | Agent86 | Certainly. No one said the Colonial Fleet had naming themes. |
| 18:21.34 | JeffM | then they are stupid ;) |
| 18:21.44 | Agent86 | Not like us = stupid. Got it. |
| 18:21.55 | JeffM | no, they proved it |
| 18:22.03 | JeffM | if they weren't stupid, they'd not be mostly dead ;) |
| 18:22.16 | Agent86 | Shush |
| 18:22.17 | JeffM | they are kinda screwed as a people |
| 18:22.54 | Erroneous | considering we only know maybe a dozen battlestar names, it's a bit of a leap to say they didn't have a theme ;) |
| 18:23.04 | JeffM | but somehow I don't think this story will work as a glactica fan fic |
| 18:23.19 | JeffM | Erroneous, they did have a theme actualy, they were named after the colonies. |
| 18:23.36 | JeffM | suposedly |
| 18:23.45 | Erroneous | and the vast majority of those we do know, were named after greek mythology |
| 18:24.16 | JeffM | odd considering that the origonal show had so much of an egypitian theme |
| 18:24.35 | JeffM | or maybe they just went for "old" cultures as a theme. |
| 18:24.39 | Erroneous | and only the first twelve were assigned colonies, and they were NOT named after them (most likely) |
| 18:24.53 | JeffM | not after, but IIRC it was related to it somehow |
| 18:25.02 | JeffM | as Robb, he used to work on the show |
| 18:25.07 | JeffM | ask Robb even |
| 18:26.22 | Erroneous | in TOS there's no relation (according to Larsen); in the re-imagined series there is a relationship for the first twelve |
| 18:26.39 | JeffM | ahh |
| 18:26.41 | Agent86 | http://www.kobol.com/archives/batlstar.html <- original series names |
| 18:30.18 | JeffM | the best ship names were from the I.M. Banks culture series :) |
| 18:30.28 | JeffM | gotta love it when you let the Ship's AI name itself |
| 18:32.14 | JeffM | one warship named itself "All Through With This Niceness And Negotiation Stuff" |
| 18:32.38 | Agent86 | Heh |
| 18:32.51 | JeffM | another was named "Fine Till You Came Along" |
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| 18:36.15 | Agent86 | Careful, there are eyes everywhere. |
| 18:39.03 | ts | What does a displayRadarRange of 0.1 mean? |
| 18:40.30 | donny_baker | is this a trick question? |
| 18:40.34 | bachiiiiiiiiiiii | das ist die zoomstufe des radars. |
| 18:41.09 | Erroneous | ts: it means that 1/10 of the map will be visible on radar at any given time |
| 18:41.16 | ts | donny_baker: It's a question about the diff talk regarding JeffM's radar talk |
| 18:41.18 | Erroneous | or rather, that the radar view will be 1/10 the map size |
| 18:41.30 | ts | Aaah |
| 18:42.17 | donny_baker | so at .5 you would be able to see both edges if in the middle? or only half of each side? |
| 18:42.33 | donny_baker | i guess is that from the center or overall size |
| 18:42.37 | Tedius | at .5 you can see the whole map from the middle |
| 18:42.38 | bachiiiiiiiiiiii | at 1.0 you see the whole map |
| 18:42.40 | donny_baker | radius or diameter |
| 18:43.00 | bachiiiiiiiiiiii | ah, ok, sry |
| 18:43.05 | Tedius | :) |
| 18:43.17 | JeffM | ts, how's it used in the code |
| 18:43.35 | JeffM | ts, and I know that what I'm proposing would change radar slightly |
| 18:43.55 | JeffM | Erroneous, just that it has more res then it needs |
| 18:43.58 | ts | Hmm..looking at http://my.bzflag.org/~ts/screenshots/bzfi0437.png does that mean I could see a diff between 0.025 and 0.049? |
| 18:44.12 | ts | I can't imagine..I need a picture :/ |
| 18:44.26 | JeffM | ts, that tank is still 8 or so units long |
| 18:44.32 | JeffM | and takes up how many pixels? |
| 18:45.07 | JeffM | lets say 20 pixels |
| 18:45.23 | ts | Looks like more |
| 18:45.27 | JeffM | so how many? |
| 18:45.28 | Erroneous | close enough |
| 18:45.39 | JeffM | that means each PIXEL is like .4 units |
| 18:45.54 | JeffM | and I was talking about having granulatrity 10 times SMALLER |
| 18:46.29 | JeffM | so you'd be able to zoom in 10 times more and not see issues |
| 18:46.37 | ts | ok |
| 18:46.49 | JeffM | we could even get tricky and send the zoom to the server and make the updates be dynamic based on the zoom |
| 18:47.12 | JeffM | so you'd have no change untill you got to a display that was 65,000 pixels wide or high |
| 18:48.18 | JeffM | tho I'm not toaly convinced that the radar should show you what direction they are facing |
| 18:48.57 | ts | JeffM: I was obs, when playing it's not possible to see their face direction |
| 18:48.58 | JeffM | I mean that's then falls into the complaints I got when I did thrid person camera, cept for cloackers. |
| 18:49.02 | JeffM | ahh |
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| 18:49.16 | ts | Look at top: "Driving with..." :) |
| 18:49.25 | JeffM | indeed |
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| 18:49.36 | JeffM | yeah for observer, it's not radar, it's a top view of the game ;) |
| 18:49.49 | JeffM | for the game I think it should work a little more like real radar |
| 18:50.23 | Epyon | Constitution, ping? |
| 18:50.39 | Constitution | pong |
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| 18:58.58 | L4m3r | JeffM: if we separate tank and radar data, we can let the server control the radar however it wants |
| 18:59.17 | JeffM | L4m3r, indeed ;) |
| 18:59.28 | JeffM | as long as the proto is good enough |
| 18:59.38 | JeffM | the big thing is just to define how the coordinates for it are defined. |
| 18:59.57 | JeffM | so it dosn't jack the bandwith, I wanted to make the radar update be smaller |
| 19:00.05 | JeffM | 2 shorts for XY a char for Z |
| 19:00.12 | JeffM | and 2 chars for the vector |
| 19:00.50 | JeffM | I guess to make it hella dynamic it could send out the scaling factor once too |
| 19:24.55 | blast007 | I started hacking the code for that, but I'll probably start most of it over |
| 19:25.16 | blast007 | maybe do a "RadarState" class (I was building it into PlayerState) |
| 19:25.17 | JeffM | fun fun |
| 19:25.24 | JeffM | be nice to be seperate |
| 19:25.34 | blast007 | it was a new packet anyways |
| 19:25.43 | JeffM | yeah |
| 19:25.47 | blast007 | MsgRadarUpdate |
| 19:25.59 | JeffM | I kinda like the concept of packet = new class to handle it |
| 19:26.08 | blast007 | yup |
| 19:26.25 | JeffM | then you can make things like the ServerSideIntagabilityManager ;) |
| 19:26.30 | blast007 | I'll probably add status stuff to the radar updates |
| 19:26.47 | blast007 | for example, controlling hunt via the server-side |
| 19:26.49 | JeffM | ooo, some color bits woud be nice |
| 19:26.53 | JeffM | yeah |
| 19:27.00 | JeffM | just a highlight bit and color bits |
| 19:27.11 | blast007 | I could send RGB values too :) |
| 19:27.19 | blast007 | overkill? |
| 19:27.22 | JeffM | yeah |
| 19:27.43 | JeffM | start with just the team colors, hunter, rabbit, and maybe one for an "unknown" color |
| 19:27.48 | JeffM | medium gray |
| 19:28.10 | blast007 | first step will be making it work with my Copy&Paste skillz |
| 19:28.14 | JeffM | heh |
| 19:28.16 | L4m3r | world weapons could be unknown ;) |
| 19:28.28 | JeffM | anything could be unknown |
| 19:28.35 | JeffM | make a parinoid zone |
| 19:28.42 | JeffM | where you see flashes on the radar ;) |
| 19:29.06 | JeffM | every so often the dots form into the words "GET OUT" |
| 19:29.39 | JeffM | that and fun stuff like radar dead zones |
| 19:30.32 | blast007 | hehe |
| 19:30.59 | JeffM | just make sure that it's setup so that you can send more then one per packet |
| 19:31.05 | JeffM | probalby even gzip em up |
| 19:31.12 | JeffM | since they don'tt need to be THAT accurate |
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| 19:44.17 | z[h]ero | hello, is judes~ GSC mapeditor ready to use? someone has a link for a win version? |
| 19:44.50 | JeffM | we haven't made a bin in a while |
| 19:44.52 | Winny | z[h]ero: not really. |
| 19:45.00 | z[h]ero | oh |
| 19:45.06 | Winny | There is a exe on the forums, but is about as funtional as BZEdit |
| 19:45.19 | blast007 | if that |
| 19:45.30 | z[h]ero | ok, if its not more functional then bzedit, then i have no need for it |
| 19:45.35 | JeffM | it's development code |
| 19:46.05 | z[h]ero | well, then i should ask some months later i guess, when the developers code will be maybe developed more.. |
| 19:46.18 | donny_baker | ATI teleased new Radeon drivers today |
| 19:46.19 | z[h]ero | developments* code |
| 19:46.21 | JeffM | or you can help develop said code. |
| 19:46.30 | tannerld | donny_baker: linux? |
| 19:46.32 | z[h]ero | lol i can't c++, just java |
| 19:46.46 | JeffM | never a better time to learn |
| 19:46.56 | donny_baker | seem to fix the background flashing red/green 40 times/second on Vista :) |
| 19:47.04 | tannerld | donny_baker: lol |
| 19:47.20 | Winny | err, that was weird. |
| 19:47.37 | donny_baker | you know how addicted you have to be to play with the background flashing like that |
| 19:48.18 | tannerld | no compules, shaking or things like that? :) |
| 19:48.33 | JeffM | you know how desperate you have to be to intall vista? |
| 19:49.11 | Winny | JeffM: insane. not desperate. |
| 19:49.13 | donny_baker | someone here had to do it before one of our end users comes to us, i got the short straw |
| 19:49.48 | donny_baker | it's definately not worth it |
| 19:50.39 | Winny | Ill wait at least a year, probably more. |
| 19:50.57 | donny_baker | the OS shouldn't get in your way while working, Vista does |
| 19:51.38 | Winny | "would you like us to STFU? Cancel or allow." |
| 19:51.51 | Winny | "Are you sure you would like to allow?" |
| 19:52.08 | tannerld | "You are coming to a sad realisment, cancel or allow?" |
| 19:52.13 | Winny | allloooow |
| 19:52.48 | JeffM | I wonder what ever happened with that person that had the frame rate slowdown with ATI drivers |
| 19:52.59 | JeffM | the one that told us that freeing memeory wasn't very hard. |
| 19:53.12 | Winny | oh |
| 19:53.15 | Winny | Inferno? |
| 19:53.19 | JeffM | no no |
| 19:53.22 | JeffM | recently |
| 19:53.27 | Winny | oh |
| 19:53.51 | Winny | sorry, I only remember that most crazy ;) |
| 19:55.14 | donny_baker | no ???laurie, formenly knon as xlaurenx |
| 19:55.40 | JeffM | yah something like that |
| 19:57.16 | donny_baker | after she posted that nicer request and you resonded, she went away |
| 19:57.20 | Winny | freeing memory?... doesn;t BZ use about 10 or something? |
| 19:57.35 | JeffM | yeah |
| 19:57.44 | Winny | ..was she running on a p2? |
| 19:57.45 | JeffM | they never actualy even checked the ram useage |
| 19:58.03 | JeffM | it was just a mean angry responce. |
| 19:58.09 | Winny | ah |
| 19:58.36 | donny_baker | and it sounded like a video driver or overheating issue anyway |
| 19:58.52 | JeffM | driver most likely |
| 19:59.00 | JeffM | or filling up of the vram |
| 19:59.15 | JeffM | just funny as soon as we go and ask for facts, poof.. gone |
| 20:00.23 | tannerld | "What do you mean I have to check for drivers? You mean you smart guys can't check yourselfs!" |
| 20:01.16 | JeffM | they said they had current drivers, never head anythign after that |
| 20:01.37 | JeffM | was some crap chipset in a desktop too r200 onboard. |
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| 20:03.22 | Agent86 | Users, booo. |
| 20:04.08 | JeffM | can't live with em, can't stab em in the face. |
| 20:09.38 | Erroneous | you can stab a few in the face |
| 20:09.56 | JeffM | not enought to matter |
| 20:10.07 | Erroneous | just make sure it's properly publicized |
| 20:10.10 | JeffM | I'd need an army of world spaning face stabing robots. |
| 20:10.28 | Erroneous | public executions have a rather remarkable effect on crime |
| 20:12.18 | Winny | hmm |
| 20:12.24 | Winny | can we test this theory anywhere? |
| 20:12.56 | JeffM | put your face REALY close to the montor |
| 20:13.29 | Winny | k |
| 20:15.23 | JeffM | then maybe it's working ;) |
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| 22:02.37 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r15839 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/ (722 files in 25 dirs): Extend copyright to 2007 for .h & .cxx |
| 22:03.21 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15840 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/ (LocalPlayer.cxx Player.cxx World.cxx playing.cxx): have the client, process and use tangibility settings |
| 22:04.48 | AAA_awright | Everyone knows you can't update the copyright date until you actually change something on the work, right? |
| 22:05.08 | Tupone | yeah, but I'm changing it :) |
| 22:05.09 | JeffM | it's been changed, in 2007 |
| 22:05.50 | AAA_awright | The resulting work would be 2007, but not all the individual files will be 2007 |
| 22:06.07 | JeffM | it's what we do |
| 22:06.09 | AAA_awright | No big deal |
| 22:06.22 | Tupone | AAA_awright: I know it, but people forget to update the date when they edit those |
| 22:06.40 | Erroneous | we don't do per-file copyright anyway |
| 22:06.44 | Erroneous | it's all part of a single work |
| 22:09.48 | JeffM | didn't we do an allow spawn message? |
| 22:11.15 | ts | ~x en de tangibility |
| 22:11.36 | ts | :( |
| 22:11.41 | JeffM | having non zero density |
| 22:11.59 | JeffM | ibot dict tangibility |
| 22:12.09 | JeffM | hah |
| 22:12.11 | Constitution | heh |
| 22:12.19 | JeffM | ts, AKA SOLID |
| 22:12.25 | ts | Aaah |
| 22:12.40 | JeffM | basicly turning drive thru on and off in realtime. |
| 22:13.27 | JeffM | but the ServerDriveThruOnOffManager just dosn't have a ring to it |
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| 22:24.06 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r15841 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/ (148 files in 19 dirs): Moving Copyright to 2007 for remaining files |
| 23:00.05 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15842 10/trunk/bzflag/ (13 files in 4 dirs): |
| 23:00.05 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: protobump (55, 2.1.15 ) |
| 23:00.06 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: add server control over allowing a player to spawn or not, with out just kicking them. |
| 23:00.08 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: add a server defined "limbo message" so that we can tell them WHY they can't spawn. |
| 23:00.10 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: add API functions to get and set that. |
| 23:03.36 | JeffM | the rejoin too fast stuff should be ported to that |
| 23:06.47 | Constitution | ~JeffM++ |
| 23:07.20 | JeffM | guess that also means that you can do last man standing stuff too |
| 23:08.31 | JeffM | or make the respawn wait time BIG after you TK |
| 23:09.16 | Winny | JeffM: I think every time they TK, we should sign their email that they registered with onto one more spam list. |
| 23:09.37 | JeffM | you can do that as a plugin;) |
| 23:09.54 | JeffM | if they published it |
| 23:11.38 | AAA_awright | I thought the server was the one that spawned clients? |
| 23:11.49 | JeffM | it computes the spawn point |
| 23:11.51 | JeffM | when they ask |
| 23:11.57 | JeffM | this tells them if it's ok to ask |
| 23:12.11 | JeffM | so that if you can't spawn it won't say "press I to start" |
| 23:12.16 | brlcad | JeffM: she's quite the artist, nice work |
| 23:12.24 | JeffM | indeed she is :) |
| 23:12.40 | JeffM | that's the crap one too |
| 23:13.01 | AAA_awright | That is a nice feature, how did the server stop people from spawning before? |
| 23:13.24 | donny_baker | kick em :P |
| 23:13.29 | JeffM | yeah |
| 23:13.31 | AAA_awright | Kill them? |
| 23:13.31 | Winny | sharks with lasers strapped to their head. |
| 23:13.37 | JeffM | yeah kill them |
| 23:13.42 | JeffM | or kick them was the only options |
| 23:13.51 | JeffM | not the cleanest way |
| 23:13.59 | JeffM | now if they can't sapwn, it'll just ignore them |
| 23:14.36 | JeffM | and the server can send what text is displaye dhtn |
| 23:14.38 | JeffM | then |
| 23:14.40 | AAA_awright | I thought that was a code limitation, not a protocol limitation. If the server never responds with MsgAlive, I thought the client just sits. |
| 23:14.57 | JeffM | yeah we could hang |
| 23:15.02 | JeffM | it'd still be fugly |
| 23:15.20 | JeffM | this just tells the client when it's cool to do it |
| 23:15.40 | AAA_awright | I know that is the case, if you suspend the connection you just hang, with the client saying "Press I to join". Yah, the can/cannot sprawn makes it nice now |
| 23:15.42 | JeffM | so you could have a mode where you have to wait some time to repsawn based on your team's score, or whatever |
| 23:16.17 | AAA_awright | Official league matches, say max 6 players per team, only 4 can be playing |
| 23:16.22 | JeffM | I want to do custom score text too, but I can't figgure out where to put it on the board. |
| 23:16.47 | JeffM | well for that case, the server should bump the otehr 2 to observer |
| 23:16.56 | AAA_awright | There ate too many numbers as is :s |
| 23:17.04 | JeffM | so the scoreboad isn't cluttered |
| 23:17.57 | JeffM | I'd like to do a bounty FFA mode :) |
| 23:19.02 | AAA_awright | I think the best way to add modes is via all plugins. Or at least move the CTF and Rabbit modes to the plugin API, but still make it part of the core code |
| 23:19.19 | JeffM | rabbit choice has an API event now |
| 23:19.42 | JeffM | and for CTF, you get a cap notification |
| 23:19.56 | JeffM | tho should proalby have a boolean be set to say if you want to kill everyone or not |
| 23:20.17 | JeffM | and to allow the cap or not :) |
| 23:20.24 | AAA_awright | How would that work? |
| 23:20.36 | JeffM | the event would be called, and the plugin could set the options |
| 23:20.51 | JeffM | so you could make the cap not kill everyone |
| 23:20.57 | JeffM | and do flag zaps |
| 23:21.05 | JeffM | like a proper UT CTF |
| 23:21.34 | JeffM | you can only cap if you bring there flag to your base, and your flag is at your base as well |
| 23:21.43 | AAA_awright | Oh, I get it now. That would be interesting. |
| 23:21.48 | JeffM | and any time out pick up your flag, it auto zaps back to your pase |
| 23:22.39 | JeffM | forces people to actualy DO, defense ;) |
| 23:23.32 | JeffM | hmm, with some event mods, probably can even do that in branch |
| 23:24.54 | brlcad | that's pretty freaking cool, http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap070907.html |
| 23:25.17 | tannerld | brlcad: neat |
| 23:26.47 | delusional_ | the political world and nighttime earth images that i uploaded a couple years ago were both APODs |
| 23:33.05 | JeffM | bahh, ctf death is done client side :( |
| 23:35.32 | L4m3r | you could stop the CTF message |
| 23:35.41 | L4m3r | but that would probably bork it for the one capping |
| 23:35.45 | JeffM | then they'd not update the score ;( |
| 23:35.55 | JeffM | it just means it's a 2.1 thing |
| 23:36.30 | JeffM | the server should do the death anyway |
| 23:36.44 | L4m3r | with geno, too ;) |
| 23:37.27 | delusional_ | I'll just go into limbo |
| 23:41.02 | rtfm | can't 2.0 update the team score manually? |
| 23:41.07 | JeffM | nope |
| 23:41.18 | JeffM | score seting needed a proto change |
| 23:41.20 | rtfm | hmm... thought it was just player score that we couldn't much with |
| 23:41.37 | JeffM | I thouhgt it was all of em |
| 23:41.47 | JeffM | but still, not sending the cap jacks some stuff up |
| 23:42.44 | rtfm | k |
| 23:42.49 | L4m3r | no, team scores can be messed with without issue, iirc |
| 23:42.59 | L4m3r | at least in my experience |
| 23:43.12 | JeffM | well it'd not play the cap sound |
| 23:43.19 | L4m3r | ah, no |
| 23:43.22 | JeffM | or send out the captured message |
| 23:43.23 | JeffM | etc.. |
| 23:43.40 | L4m3r | does it just spoof the cap message? |
| 23:43.49 | JeffM | what does it do difrently? |
| 23:44.07 | L4m3r | it caps when enough people are on the (bogus) base |
| 23:44.22 | JeffM | that would block the message |
| 23:44.26 | JeffM | cus you want NOTHING to happen |
| 23:44.34 | JeffM | I want the cap to happen, but not do the kill |
| 23:44.42 | L4m3r | heh |
| 23:44.44 | JeffM | so for 2.0.x I can allow or deny the cap, but not the kill |
| 23:45.23 | L4m3r | if you're using two teams, you could use different colored flags |
| 23:45.46 | JeffM | too much of a hack to make into a base feature |
| 23:45.52 | L4m3r | heh, yeah |
| 23:49.08 | AAA_awright | JeffM: Setting a score doesn't need a protocol change, the MsgScore packet already exists |
| 23:49.33 | AAA_awright | It's sent independent of kills |
| 23:49.43 | JeffM | yaeh, cept the that a client won't accept one for itself in 2.0.x ;) |
| 23:50.04 | JeffM | it tracks it's own score, and won't update the internal state when it sees a message for itself |
| 23:50.06 | AAA_awright | So that is a client problem then? |
| 23:50.07 | JeffM | only remote players. |
| 23:50.08 | JeffM | yes |
| 23:50.21 | JeffM | and we can't fix it without a proto break |
| 23:50.26 | JeffM | to ensure everyone does it the same |
| 23:50.56 | JeffM | in some ways proto = client behavor, in addition to just the network packets. |
| 23:51.46 | JeffM | there were a number of bugs in brach that we could not fix untill the proto break of trunk, just because it would make new clients behave difrently from old ones. |
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| 23:56.01 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15843 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/ (include/bzfsAPI.h src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx): add bz_eAllowCTFCapEvent so that plug-ins can determine the cap criteria |
| 23:58.29 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15844 10/trunk/bzflag/ (4 files in 4 dirs): |
| 23:58.29 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: protobump (556, still 2.1.15 ) |
| 23:58.29 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: have the server do the killing of players that are on the capped team. |
| 23:58.30 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: add bz_eAllowCTFCaptureEvent to allow plug-ins to determine the cap criteria as well as if the caped team should die. |
