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| 00:36.19 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15716 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Added some textures. Started work on eyecandy ;] |
| 00:37.01 | Epyon | Hmm, I made a lot of windows textures, but they are unused in the grammar as yet. Should I commit them anyway? |
| 00:38.30 | Epyon | windows as in doors, not as in XP :P |
| 00:41.33 | JeffM | sure |
| 00:41.39 | JeffM | remember, others can modify your code |
| 00:41.58 | JeffM | if you hoard all the data, that limits what others can do |
| 00:44.58 | bryjen | v2_0branch, JeffM ? |
| 00:45.28 | JeffM | yeah |
| 00:45.32 | JeffM | I'm bad |
| 00:45.44 | bryjen | ok, just checking |
| 00:46.13 | JeffM | it should be the same as a hack another server is running, and should work with old clients, that's why |
| 00:46.34 | JeffM | once somone takes out the if(0) :) |
| 00:47.08 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15717 10/trunk/bzwgen/media/ (11 files): Textures : Added 6 window sets, with two windows each. |
| 00:54.29 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03bryjen * r15718 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzfs/CmdLineOptions.h: initialization order |
| 00:55.19 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03bryjen * r15719 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: that's part of a struct |
| 00:58.17 | Erroneous | now, y'know someone's gonna try a 1000-wall server to try to approximate a circle... |
| 01:00.19 | JeffM | it shold do it |
| 01:00.25 | JeffM | it's just geometry |
| 01:00.58 | Erroneous | yeah, I know. just more of a "look what you started now..." than anything else :) |
| 01:00.58 | JeffM | but really it's if(0)ed out |
| 01:01.04 | bryjen | if clOptions->wallSides > 16 { clOptions->wallSides = 16; printf("The world is flat and has corners!"); } |
| 01:01.07 | JeffM | and the spawn code needs to be moded |
| 01:01.35 | Erroneous | that shouldn't be bad |
| 01:01.53 | Erroneous | though I wonder where else we assume boundaries based on size |
| 01:02.13 | JeffM | cheat detect |
| 01:02.19 | JeffM | and spawn code, that's about it I think |
| 01:02.29 | JeffM | some of the ranges of weapons too |
| 01:02.36 | JeffM | but using the diamater is fine |
| 01:04.18 | JeffM | the polygon it comptues still keeps a circle of 1/2 world sizes circumscribed within it, just like the box did. |
| 01:05.54 | JeffM | if I did the math right |
| 01:08.21 | JeffM | probably not |
| 01:08.28 | JeffM | it'll just make a line |
| 01:08.36 | JeffM | each wall is an object |
| 01:08.37 | blast007 | Erroneous: not if you add lots of Narrow flags |
| 01:08.59 | JeffM | -ws one will only make one wall object, and make the world wierd. |
| 01:09.05 | JeffM | but it would work |
| 01:09.11 | JeffM | it woudl basicly be bisected. |
| 01:09.27 | JeffM | and you'd get kicked when you drove outside the old bbox |
| 01:09.34 | CBG | ~JeffM++ |
| 01:10.01 | JeffM | but I don't think it woudl crash |
| 01:11.18 | JeffM | 0 would crash |
| 01:11.46 | Erroneous | hm, yeah, 2 might be safe |
| 01:12.36 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15720 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzfs/CmdLineOptions.cxx: don't allow less then 3 sides |
| 01:12.44 | Erroneous | not doing any inverse trig or anything |
| 01:12.57 | blast007 | -ws 2... /me invisions a side-scroller BZFlag |
| 01:12.59 | JeffM | yeah just the devide |
| 01:15.27 | TD-Linux | hmm interesting idea |
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| 01:50.16 | brlcad | yay, done with the proof-review of the article |
| 01:50.48 | brlcad | anyone (that is qualified) up for some proof-reading? |
| 01:51.53 | purple_cow | what article? |
| 01:52.24 | brlcad | GSoC article/report/post-mortem that I put together |
| 01:53.47 | brlcad | it's an overview of what we did, hilights how things were structured, lessons learned, etc |
| 01:54.30 | brlcad | I figure if google's kind enough to fund our development, they deserve a nice report of the experience |
| 01:54.54 | Constitution | wel mi engilsh is nawt tu gud, bot I'de bee hapy two prufreed if yu lyke |
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| 02:00.05 | Constitution | assuming "qualified" is grammar, usage, etc. related, and not something else |
| 02:08.50 | Tedius_ | I could look at it if you want me to, brlcad |
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| 02:23.30 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03macsforme * r15721 10/trunk/db/bzgrpmgr/ (4 files): Misc. data class improvements. Registration of organizations now works. |
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| 02:55.07 | JeffM | heh, guess it's love for neutronix7 day, today |
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| 03:27.55 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15722 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzfs/ (BZWReader.cxx WorldGenerators.cxx bzfs.cxx bzfs.h): |
| 03:27.55 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: move the wall generation to a single place, so everyone can call the new code. |
| 03:27.55 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: tweak the new wall gen code ( it still doesn't work right and is if(0)ed out but at least someone can play with it if they want. |
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| 04:21.12 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03bryjen * r15723 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/mapchange/: svn:ignores |
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| 04:23.28 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03bryjen * r15724 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzfs/WorldGenerators.cxx: don't need these vars here anymore, relevant code moved to makeWalls function |
| 04:26.26 | L4m3r | heh, y'all are beating me to it then? :P |
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| 04:31.13 | JeffM | naw, L4m3r you have to make it work ;) |
| 04:32.03 | L4m3r | lol :) |
| 04:32.17 | L4m3r | so much for no new features in 2.0.x |
| 04:32.44 | JeffM | it's just a hack |
| 04:34.00 | L4m3r | did Tim decide to do 2.0.10? |
| 04:34.06 | JeffM | no |
| 04:34.16 | L4m3r | something about updating the deb for the next ubuntu |
| 04:34.18 | JeffM | I just threw it in there so you could play with it |
| 04:34.26 | JeffM | yeah he has to update the debs with packages |
| 04:34.34 | JeffM | unless he wants to push out a .10 for just that |
| 04:34.45 | L4m3r | yeah, that's what it sounded like. someone suggested it. |
| 04:35.02 | JeffM | was a .8 deb made? |
| 04:35.07 | JeffM | if so that would make sense |
| 04:35.12 | JeffM | simpler to push out a biger version |
| 04:35.22 | JeffM | tho that means all the crap has to get tested |
| 04:35.26 | L4m3r | yeah, there was a 2.0.8 deb, but it doesn't work anymore |
| 04:35.35 | JeffM | it would be better to do a .8.1 with just the float fix |
| 04:35.43 | L4m3r | I forget why- that's why they were discussing it to begin with |
| 04:36.09 | JeffM | yeah the float thing that he should have fixed long ago |
| 04:36.39 | JeffM | but yeah, sure shove out a .10, to show how bad it's gotten ;) |
| 04:39.11 | brlcad | bleh, "we" should be testing/stabilizing head, not worrying about 2.0 |
| 04:39.40 | JeffM | indeed |
| 04:39.50 | JeffM | but he left the deb build busted for over a year IIRC |
| 04:39.56 | JeffM | so he's catching crap for that |
| 04:40.04 | brlcad | it's his crap to catch |
| 04:40.06 | JeffM | a simple 2.0.8.1 with just the patch should fix that |
| 04:40.25 | JeffM | yeah but you know him, it's highly likely that he could be so out of it that he'd go an shove out a .10 |
| 04:40.57 | L4m3r | how busted is 2.0.9? |
| 04:40.59 | brlcad | he could do that, but doesn't mean we should care |
| 04:41.19 | JeffM | L4m3r: probably not very, it's just not widely tested |
| 04:41.33 | JeffM | brlcad: true, but it'll jut cause more headakes if we don't go shove out matching other versions |
| 04:41.34 | blast007 | I've found the server of 2.0.9 to be very stable on my debian system |
| 04:41.39 | L4m3r | I mean, I don't think a *whole* lot of client stuff has been done |
| 04:41.44 | brlcad | just because he (or anyone) wants to press for a .10 doesn't mean we have to make/post the other binaries, for example .. matter of just focus |
| 04:41.46 | JeffM | server has had more testing then anything |
| 04:41.51 | L4m3r | lots of bzfs fixes |
| 04:42.27 | L4m3r | well, what reason would we have to release a new client? there's not really anything to show off |
| 04:42.28 | JeffM | yeah I just forsee confusion issues if we don't |
| 04:42.40 | JeffM | as in "why does linux have a higher version" |
| 04:42.58 | brlcad | "because tim posted a debian update" |
| 04:43.03 | L4m3r | Because OSX and Windows suck, naturally ;) |
| 04:43.08 | brlcad | and then two weeks later, "there's a 2.2 release posted" |
| 04:43.21 | JeffM | you'll be saying that every day for 2 months |
| 04:43.26 | JeffM | hah, 2 weeks, right |
| 04:44.04 | brlcad | it could be for six months, doesn't matter .. it's happened *plenty* in the past where several platforms aren't posted |
| 04:44.11 | brlcad | and there's really no grief about it |
| 04:44.22 | JeffM | only cus those platforms are the minors ;) |
| 04:44.24 | JeffM | but maybe |
| 04:44.27 | brlcad | just a matter of not getting distracted, that's a major distraction imo -- to do anything about it |
| 04:44.34 | JeffM | I just think he should do a .8.1 just for stability |
| 04:45.31 | brlcad | it's gone for a year and a half at the current state .. a few more weeks/months/whatever aren't going to hurt much more than it already has, the payoff is in making a stable major update |
| 04:45.42 | JeffM | tho I think people have to tracted first to be distracted ;) |
| 04:46.05 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r15725 10/trunk/web/submitimages/config.php.example: Add more commenting to the configuration template. Turn on errors by default for now. |
| 04:49.17 | brlcad | already have a few minor corrections in, but nothing drastic |
| 04:51.08 | L4m3r | oh, DTRemenak, fwiw, I figured out how to get on the 405-N from Sunset XD |
| 04:51.14 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 04:51.16 | L4m3r | it's really weird, and there are no signs |
| 04:51.17 | DTRemenak | as if I'll ever need to again |
| 04:51.31 | L4m3r | optimized for LA drivers, clearly |
| 04:55.04 | DTRemenak | 118->210 |
| 04:55.06 | DTRemenak | that's it |
| 04:55.31 | L4m3r | 405->101->134->210 |
| 04:55.46 | L4m3r | annoying, because it's really not that far as the crow flies |
| 04:56.31 | L4m3r | ...the trip from Wilmington is worse. 110->5->2->134->210 |
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| 13:19.54 | Macrosoft | hmm...how reliable are nvidia's overclocked cards? |
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| 15:39.59 | TheRedBaron | ~seen a_meteorite |
| 15:40.03 | ibot | a_meteorite <n=a_meteor@unaffiliated/ameteorite/x-000000001> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1d 15h 47m 38s ago, saying: 'about time'. |
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| 17:21.52 | JeffM | Macrosoft, you arround? |
| 17:22.00 | Macrosoft | yeah |
| 17:22.18 | JeffM | please stop posting short, crap, stupid posts on the boards |
| 17:22.28 | JeffM | if you think something is spam, tell an admin, don't post "spam" |
| 17:22.35 | JeffM | specialy for legit posts. |
| 17:24.17 | JeffM | the same goes for your little "joke" comment posts as well |
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| 17:34.35 | ruskie | http://www.linux.com/feature/119049 |
| 17:36.34 | ts | ruskie: Wow, didn't thought they'd change their mind |
| 17:36.42 | ruskie | :) |
| 17:36.53 | ruskie | I wonder how long it'll take to get it into mesalib though |
| 17:36.54 | JeffM | well read the entire article ;) |
| 17:37.00 | JeffM | they will OS the 2ds |
| 17:37.04 | JeffM | and give out specs for the 3ds |
| 17:37.12 | ruskie | yeah |
| 17:37.13 | JeffM | they don't own all the code in the 3d driver |
| 17:37.21 | ruskie | well tehym ight release their own |
| 17:37.24 | ruskie | and provide the specs |
| 17:37.28 | JeffM | indeed |
| 17:37.36 | ts | I'm wondering whether Nvidia changes as well |
| 17:37.37 | JeffM | it's defenatly a step in the right direction for them |
| 17:37.58 | JeffM | nvida spends more time and money on there own drivers, so there may not be that much pressure |
| 17:38.01 | ruskie | but as the obenbsd ppl say... just give us the specs... we'll do the rest... |
| 17:38.04 | JeffM | ATI's drivers sucked. |
| 17:38.10 | ts | Nvidia doesn't write drivers for Mac..so Nvidia cards suck on Macs |
| 17:38.10 | JeffM | so it was a bigger issue |
| 17:38.14 | ruskie | bah I keep typoing today... |
| 17:38.34 | JeffM | no mater what, I don't belive you can use an open source video driver on a mac anyway |
| 17:38.40 | JeffM | at least under oSX |
| 17:38.44 | ts | Hehe |
| 17:39.00 | JeffM | under nix, you can use thee existing nix stuff |
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| 17:39.13 | ruskie | well I'm still covered with a r9250 and the r200 driver... |
| 17:39.16 | JeffM | I belive also that nvidia does write the base driver for apple, but apple mods it |
| 17:39.20 | ruskie | even got a spare r9250 I recently got for free |
| 17:39.28 | JeffM | that is why the release cycle takes so long |
| 17:40.06 | ruskie | but it's good to know there will be a chance of getting a new card in the future..(if they'll produce an agp card as well) |
| 17:40.26 | JeffM | I'm sure nvida will guage there current driver development for non windows, and see what benifit opening stuff up would give them, basicly they'd have to list the platforms they arn't supporting that could get suported. |
| 17:40.35 | JeffM | ruskie, AGP is dead |
| 17:41.25 | ruskie | nope it's not |
| 17:43.21 | Tupone | Mine is working |
| 17:43.50 | ruskie | I can get a rx1550, rx1650, rx1950 or gf6200, gf7600 on agp from a local shop... |
| 17:43.57 | JeffM | I mean I don't belive any of the major graphic chip manufactures ar making AGP chips anymore |
| 17:44.07 | JeffM | it's all just old stock going out the door |
| 17:44.31 | ruskie | well as I don't follow what the latest is I can't say if rx1950 is old stock or not |
| 17:44.51 | JeffM | who makes an AGP 19xx? |
| 17:45.41 | ruskie | SAPPHIRE Radeon X1950PRO 512MB AGP |
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| 17:45.52 | JeffM | ahh, they probalby put PCIE to AGP bridge chips on the cards |
| 17:46.03 | JeffM | what a huge waste of money |
| 17:46.16 | ruskie | why? |
| 17:46.22 | ruskie | I don't upgrade every N years... |
| 17:46.23 | JeffM | the card is faster then the bus |
| 17:46.36 | ruskie | I upgrade when the parts break down... |
| 17:46.39 | JeffM | so your computer can't feed it enough to get close to maxing it out |
| 17:46.56 | JeffM | so the extra money you spend on the faster card is just wasted |
| 17:47.14 | JeffM | as in I dobut you'd see much dif between a 1600 and a 1900 |
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| 17:48.16 | ruskie | as I rarely buy state-of-the-art gear... |
| 17:48.43 | JeffM | PCI-E isn't state of the art anymore ;) |
| 17:48.47 | JeffM | it's the base standard |
| 17:48.52 | JeffM | what CPU do you have? |
| 17:49.20 | ruskie | athlon xp |
| 17:49.33 | JeffM | heh |
| 17:49.35 | ruskie | this box is like 3 years old... |
| 17:49.40 | JeffM | ancient |
| 17:49.49 | ruskie | yet it's enough for my needs... |
| 17:50.08 | ruskie | plays bzflag, planeshift, even hl2 through wine |
| 17:50.17 | JeffM | geting motherboards for that CPU must be hard |
| 17:51.01 | ruskie | impossible nowdays... |
| 17:51.27 | JeffM | so you'll be going to AM2 anyway :) |
| 17:51.28 | ruskie | I could get a socketa sempron if I can find it anywhere... |
| 17:51.34 | ruskie | lol |
| 17:51.35 | TheRedBaron | heh, its hard enough to get a mobo for 939 |
| 17:51.39 | ruskie | not for a LOOOONNNNGGG time |
| 17:51.43 | JeffM | AM2's are cheap |
| 17:51.48 | ruskie | never if this box works... |
| 17:51.51 | JeffM | cheaper then 939s |
| 17:51.55 | TheRedBaron | yup |
| 17:51.58 | JeffM | at some point it'll fail |
| 17:52.08 | ruskie | yeah it does run more or less 24/7 |
| 17:52.52 | JeffM | I mean I got an AM2 6000+ with a motherboard for like 160$ |
| 17:53.45 | TheRedBaron | JeffM: i swear you have illicit hardware connections |
| 17:53.47 | ruskie | anyway I'm picky about motherboard tech... |
| 17:53.53 | JeffM | TheRedBaron, did, I went to fry's |
| 17:54.02 | JeffM | gave them money |
| 17:54.04 | JeffM | came home |
| 17:54.17 | JeffM | theyjust had 4800's and a mobo for 118$ |
| 17:54.18 | ruskie | needs to have via chipset and preferably made by epox |
| 17:54.28 | JeffM | ruskie, good lord why? you like crap? |
| 17:54.38 | ruskie | no |
| 17:54.39 | JeffM | for amd, nvidia all the way! |
| 17:54.41 | TheRedBaron | does via still make chipsets? |
| 17:54.48 | ruskie | I have extremly good experience with them |
| 17:55.00 | ruskie | JeffM, I'm not touching nvidio with an infintely long pole |
| 17:55.12 | JeffM | the current via chipsets are not good |
| 17:55.17 | JeffM | we've had lots of issues with them |
| 17:55.25 | JeffM | the nvidias are runing quite strong |
| 17:55.34 | JeffM | even with nix |
| 17:55.37 | ruskie | and epox built I always had a stable box |
| 17:55.47 | JeffM | I've not had a problem installing debina since I got an nforce board |
| 17:55.50 | JeffM | even my SLI system |
| 17:56.12 | JeffM | but fi you want via, that means you'll spend even less :) |
| 17:56.17 | JeffM | they make some cheap chipsets |
| 17:56.21 | JeffM | if you can find them |
| 17:56.40 | ruskie | I'll probably have to find someone who still sells epox boards around here |
| 17:56.49 | JeffM | the interweb ;) |
| 17:57.04 | ruskie | but yeah I've heard from many that all via chipsets suck... or had ppl complain they were having issues |
| 17:57.25 | ruskie | I think the issue is that most mb makers optimise for speed and ignore the stability... |
| 17:57.45 | JeffM | that and they often go to cheap mobo MFGs |
| 17:57.52 | JeffM | but realy the nforce boards are quite nice |
| 17:57.58 | JeffM | and good driver suport |
| 17:58.35 | ruskie | as in Free software driver support? |
| 17:58.51 | JeffM | as in what you get from nvidia, call it what you want, it works |
| 17:58.59 | ruskie | no thanks then :) |
| 17:59.05 | JeffM | as in works with real 3d acceleation with the onboard video :) |
| 17:59.28 | ruskie | amazing... my current box works with real 3d accell as well |
| 17:59.30 | JeffM | it was free to me, I didn't pay anything for it |
| 17:59.56 | ruskie | fsf "Free Software" |
| 18:00.05 | JeffM | like I said, it was free to me |
| 18:00.05 | ruskie | you know Free as in speech type stuff... |
| 18:00.15 | JeffM | why would I care, I'm never going to modify it |
| 18:00.19 | JeffM | I'm no driver dev |
| 18:02.16 | JeffM | my computer is a tool, not an expression of morality ;) |
| 18:02.26 | Tupone | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9073106297.html <- With VIA CPU (I like to have for my server) |
| 18:02.38 | JeffM | awww, it's cute |
| 18:02.55 | Tupone | no moving part, except the switch :) |
| 18:02.59 | JeffM | nice |
| 18:04.52 | ruskie | yeah something similar for my needs as well |
| 18:05.11 | ruskie | though I'd go with a 700MHz device... 1GHz would be for a media box... |
| 18:05.38 | Daveman | cute :p |
| 18:06.04 | ruskie | http://www.gumstix.org/ <-- and one of this with two NICs for my firewall |
| 18:07.40 | Daveman | hmm, I'll have to steal one, for testing |
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| 18:08.14 | Tupone | ruskie: coming to bzflag, have you suffered of undue speed-kick recently? |
| 18:08.25 | ruskie | hmm not yet... |
| 18:08.44 | ruskie | and I've been playing quite a bit today... |
| 18:08.50 | ruskie | though haven't been till now... |
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| 18:09.23 | Tupone | ok, lemme know in case you will have again |
| 18:09.35 | ruskie | will do |
| 18:09.42 | ruskie | hopefully won't though :) |
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| 19:44.39 | Macrosoft | how hard would it be to add a acceleration phydrv parameter to server and client? |
| 19:45.52 | ruskie | erm |
| 19:51.00 | Macrosoft | ...i think i'd have to modify /src/bzfs/CustomPhysicsDriver.cxx /src/bzflag/World.cxx and /src/bzflag/<whatever file has code for movement of tanks> |
| 19:51.54 | tannerld | acceleration phydrv? |
| 19:52.01 | Macrosoft | yah |
| 19:53.04 | Macrosoft | it would be like "slide" and "linear" together |
| 19:53.53 | Macrosoft | whenever i try using both of those on an object, i get some weirdness |
| 19:54.56 | Macrosoft | i tried changing _friction and using "linear", but it isnt any better |
| 19:58.32 | CBG | Anyone familiar with the bug/glitch (?) with meshes, where if you drive into one at an acute angle, you get kinda trapped in it and if you try to drive away, it pulls you in. You have to drive at the mesh to be released and be able to move away... ? |
| 19:59.25 | Macrosoft | CBG: yeah |
| 19:59.44 | CBG | Am I doing something wrong? Is there some way to fix it? |
| 20:04.27 | Macrosoft | i had that happen before. i made a mesh rectangle slightly larger than a tank, but left one side open so i could drive inside it. if i wasnt aligned perfectly aligned in the center, then i would get sucked toward the mesh, like what you are describing |
| 20:05.11 | Macrosoft | ...but no, i didnt find a way to fix it |
| 20:09.23 | Macrosoft | CBG: try making it drivethrough and see if that makes it stop |
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| 20:44.59 | donny_baker | CBG`: happens on most Louman maps in at least one spot |
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| 20:46.55 | donny_baker | CBG`: on top of the lighthouse on Island Hopping, on top of the tub on the second floor in LouMan's House |
| 20:47.06 | donny_baker | etc |
| 20:58.58 | CBG` | donny_baker: I see |
| 20:59.05 | CBG` | and nobody has a "fix" for it? :( |
| 20:59.26 | Tedius | I was under the impression that adding inside points fixes this |
| 20:59.51 | CBG` | Ahh, right. Yeah, probably.. |
| 21:01.53 | CBG` | But, technically, my mesh is 0 units thick... It's a replacement for the map walls, rectangle shaped. I have 8 sides, so the wall has 4 sides, each facing in and out. But all based on just 8 vertices... |
| 21:03.45 | brlcad | it's computing the normal wrong, so when the "auto-eject" code that tupone wrote that tries to push you out.. it ends up pulling you in more |
| 21:04.11 | CBG` | so, I could fix it by adding normals, maybe? |
| 21:05.36 | brlcad | no, it determines which way is "out" on its own |
| 21:05.39 | Tupone | 0 unit tick? I guess you cannot do anything |
| 21:05.47 | brlcad | at least I'm fairly sure it doesn't use the geometry normals.. |
| 21:06.44 | Tupone | you have 2 faces on the same space, with 2 different/opposite normals |
| 21:06.51 | brlcad | it's not a simple problem, there are tolerencing issues, the ejection rate matters, and more |
| 21:06.56 | CBG` | Well... I noticed Jeff made it so the map wall can have a number of sides other than 4 now, is it also possible to allow it to be rectangular (as opposed to square)? |
| 21:07.28 | brlcad | ahh, yeah.. if you had two geometry surfaces that overlapped, like two boxes right up next to each other |
| 21:07.40 | CBG` | Tupone: right. If I space the faces out... put them 0.01 units apart, I could add inside points. Would that work? |
| 21:07.54 | Tupone | I think so |
| 21:08.18 | Tupone | inside point, I don't know |
| 21:08.21 | brlcad | how would you add inside points |
| 21:08.35 | Tupone | spacing is good |
| 21:08.37 | Tedius | add the inside points to the outside of the walls |
| 21:08.44 | CBG` | brlcad: "inside x y z" ? |
| 21:08.52 | CBG` | attemtping Tedius's suggestion now |
| 21:09.50 | Tedius | heh, a bit paradoxical... |
| 21:10.22 | brlcad | i'm not sure what all trep made "inside" and outside do code-wise |
| 21:10.28 | CBG` | Seems fixed. |
| 21:10.33 | CBG` | ~Tedius++ |
| 21:10.44 | CBG` | Thanks for the advice guys... |
| 21:10.49 | Tedius | I had a flat plane at 0 0 10 and I added an inside point at z 20 once |
| 21:10.54 | Tedius | I was floating over it |
| 21:12.59 | CBG` | brlcad: I'm not sure exactly what "inside" does, but it's purpose is to make a mesh "solid". Without inside points, you could lag through a face and be inside the mesh. For example, if you made a mesh cube, you could lag inside it... Obviously you get frozen if you do this with a "meshbox", so the same should happen with a msh IF you have inside points. |
| 21:14.24 | brlcad | wonder how big the distance check is on those points |
| 21:15.05 | CBG` | Well, adding inside points way way outside the mesh is working for me, so I'm happy. |
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| 21:15.45 | Tedius | I know anomaly added them one per corner on his 1000 by 1000 map, IIRC |
| 21:16.07 | Tedius | Brave New World, however big that one is |
| 21:16.11 | JeffM | CBG`, I did no such thing! |
| 21:16.28 | JeffM | I started to add code for that, but it's 1) busted and 2) disabled ;) |
| 21:16.49 | CBG` | JeffM: ahh, ok. :) |
| 21:17.11 | JeffM | it's always been techincaly suported, just the default server only makes 4 wals |
| 21:17.57 | CBG` | Tedius: my world is about 400 units long and 200 wide. I just added the 4 inside points in each corer at 999 999 0, -999 999 0, etc. |
| 21:18.32 | Tedius | :) |
| 21:18.58 | Tedius | do you have noWall set? |
| 21:19.00 | CBG` | It works. And I tend to live by "if it aint broke, don't fix it". |
| 21:19.04 | CBG` | Yeah, I do... ;) |
| 21:19.26 | CBG` | I aint stupid. This is regarding a map generated by BZWR, so it is kinda important that this works. :) |
| 21:19.58 | Tedius | My problem with that is when people die close to the edge of the world, they are kicked for being out of bounds |
| 21:20.16 | CBG` | oh man, you know what? it doesn't work well at all |
| 21:20.17 | L4m3r | that was fixed recently, Tedius |
| 21:20.29 | CBG` | I can't believe I didn't try JUMPING... :| |
| 21:20.38 | L4m3r | thank DTR. if you use an SVN build it shouldn't happen |
| 21:20.42 | CBG` | I can't jump above the height of the wall. :| Invisible ceiling... |
| 21:21.18 | Tedius | thanks DTR |
| 21:22.05 | Tedius | ~DTRemenak++ |
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| 22:01.11 | ryanakca | TimRiker: Hey, can you please upload the patch so we can merge into Ubuntu? |
| 22:01.36 | ryanakca | (debdiff) |
| 22:24.58 | Winny | anyone know of a website that lists all the iPhone webapps? |
| 22:28.41 | Winny | all/some |
| 22:31.16 | brlcad | ~google "iPhone Apps Manager" |
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| 22:56.16 | JeffM | anyone that knows http, is it valid to have the same get or post field in a URL more then once? |
| 22:56.45 | brlcad | ~Constitution++ |
| 22:56.47 | CBG` | the second would override the first, no? |
| 22:56.57 | JeffM | would it? |
| 22:56.59 | Constitution | brlcad: it was to your satisfaction? |
| 22:56.59 | JeffM | I'd hope so |
| 22:57.12 | JeffM | I can't see how you'd access them individualy |
| 22:57.32 | CBG` | JeffM: I can test if you want, but I'm fairly sure.. |
| 22:57.35 | brlcad | JeffM: iirc, yes, it's allowed, they just like in code |
| 22:57.44 | brlcad | i = 1; i = 4; .. |
| 22:57.50 | JeffM | so last one overides |
| 22:58.05 | brlcad | i "think", but donno quoto meo on that |
| 22:58.20 | brlcad | Constitution: twas excellent, thanks |
| 22:58.36 | brlcad | painfully so.. gruelling to find each one :) |
| 22:58.47 | JeffM | I'm adding paramter suport to the http server that 's in the plug-in utils |
| 22:58.47 | Constitution | heh :) |
| 22:58.51 | brlcad | even with the pointers |
| 22:59.08 | brlcad | particularly liked the "the their" you caught :) |
| 22:59.21 | Constitution | hehe |
| 22:59.55 | brlcad | didn't apply everything, some were subjective, but probably 75% or so were adjusted/fixed/changed |
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| 23:00.57 | brlcad | i think it's probably "good enough" after that pass through, though |
| 23:01.10 | brlcad | maybe get one more to proof |
| 23:02.42 | CBG` | JeffM: here's a test: http://cbg.sh.nu:10000/oktest.php?field=something&field=anything+else&Submit=Submit |
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| 23:05.34 | JeffM | that's more how php handles it, not just http in genreal |
| 23:05.52 | neutronix7 | JeffM: thank you for the vote of confidence... i do not deserve it but i do appreciate it... i'll do my best to not let anyone down |
| 23:05.53 | JeffM | but hey, if php does it, I can do it :) |
| 23:06.00 | CBG` | how else do you want to deal with GET and POST data over http? :) |
| 23:06.06 | JeffM | neutronix7, your trying, that's what counts. |
| 23:06.25 | JeffM | CBG`, it could depend on the language that was used to parse it and what API it had |
| 23:06.33 | JeffM | it coudl make each field be an array |
| 23:06.40 | JeffM | and have all the values in order |
| 23:06.56 | neutronix7 | have any of you guys tried web programming with Python? Karrigell specifically |
| 23:07.12 | neutronix7 | even easier than PHP |
| 23:07.19 | CBG` | all my php script is doing is echoing $_GET['field'] |
| 23:08.01 | JeffM | yeah cus php does each paramater as a variable |
| 23:08.13 | JeffM | so it makes sense that it's one per name |
| 23:08.26 | JeffM | if they do that, I can emulate the behavor |
| 23:08.32 | CBG` | right. :) |
| 23:08.33 | JeffM | that means that anything else is just tricky |
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| 23:34.33 | JeffM | wheee |
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| 23:35.39 | awilcox | That was...not good. |
| 23:37.43 | JeffM | it happens |
| 23:38.14 | awilcox | yeah but it even took out staffers |
| 23:38.47 | JeffM | yeah, so |
| 23:38.54 | JeffM | they don't have special conections to the interwebs |
| 23:38.58 | JeffM | they are the same as us |
| 23:39.27 | awilcox | SportChick and starshine both have told me they [staffers] have special servers to log in to |
| 23:39.43 | awilcox | TD-Linux: hah, #c++ nearly flooded me off :p |
| 23:39.44 | JeffM | that dosn't change how they connecto to the internet ;) |
| 23:39.56 | JeffM | a server is still a computer on the internet |
| 23:39.58 | TD-Linux | awilcox, it might depend which side of the netsplit you were on |
| 23:40.06 | JeffM | yeah they still get split |
| 23:40.11 | awilcox | TD-Linux: I got completely reset |
| 23:40.11 | JeffM | just means they split together ;) |
| 23:40.16 | awilcox | hehe |
| 23:40.30 | awilcox | -!- No PONG reply from niven.freenode.net in 301 seconds |
| 23:40.36 | TD-Linux | okay I'm on the other side |
| 23:40.47 | TD-Linux | the staffers didn't quit for me |
| 23:40.54 | TD-Linux | so you must be on the server that quit |
| 23:41.00 | JeffM | servers go down awilcox, it happes :) |
| 23:41.07 | TD-Linux | and therefore the special server would be worse for you ;) |
| 23:41.15 | awilcox | hehe |
| 23:41.26 | *** join/#bzflag bryjen (n=bryjen@2002:4b51:fafe:0:0:0:0:1) |
| 23:41.26 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v bryjen] by ChanServ |
| 23:41.27 | Aribeth | chips fry, servers go poof, etc |
| 23:41.27 | JeffM | yeah, actualy I'd thingk you'd want your staffers spread out |
| 23:41.28 | SportChick | awilcox: I haven't said that...I merely said I was sshing into a server to run irssi - has nothing to do with staffage |
| 23:41.40 | SportChick | ari! |
| 23:41.52 | Aribeth | hello |
| 23:41.55 | awilcox | SportChick: oh. |
| 23:42.07 | awilcox | SportChick: quick question. you like WordPerfect, right? |
| 23:42.11 | brlcad | wow |
| 23:42.13 | brlcad | hi Aribeth :) |
| 23:42.22 | SportChick | awilcox: of course |
| 23:42.22 | Aribeth | hi there grlcad |
| 23:42.27 | awilcox | Aribeth...now I remember you!! |
| 23:42.29 | Aribeth | er brlcad |
| 23:42.30 | awilcox | how goes friend? |
| 23:42.31 | SportChick | what's not to like? |
| 23:42.43 | awilcox | SportChick: tonyy was wondering who in the world used WordPerfect. |
| 23:42.43 | brlcad | and a SportChick too! |
| 23:42.47 | Aribeth | im hanging in there |
| 23:42.48 | brlcad | must be ladies night out |
| 23:43.18 | SportChick | awilcox: most lawyers |
| 23:43.36 | SportChick | it's far superior to the MS alternative |
| 23:43.42 | awilcox | SportChick: it is that :) |
| 23:43.43 | SportChick | L4m3r: hehe |
| 23:43.58 | SportChick | ok, gotta get on a plane |
| 23:44.02 | awilcox | SportChick: I <3 WP. using it right now to make a convincing document to get me a new workstation :D |
| 23:44.03 | SportChick | cu all |
| 23:44.07 | awilcox | okay, bye SC! :D |
| 23:44.10 | Aribeth | bye sporty |
| 23:44.12 | neutronix7 | believe it or not Word Perfect is still being used |
| 23:44.15 | neutronix7 | ahh the idiocy |
| 23:44.18 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15731 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/plugin_utils/ (plugin_utils.cpp plugin_utils.h): give the plugin_utils the character type functions as well as url_encode |
| 23:44.21 | neutronix7 | and Lotus 123 |
| 23:44.24 | neutronix7 | sad :( |
| 23:44.25 | awilcox | ~lart neutronix7 |
| 23:44.25 | ibot | beats neutronix7 into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy |
| 23:44.31 | awilcox | I still use both. |
| 23:44.41 | neutronix7 | that smarts * |
| 23:44.48 | Aribeth | lol |
| 23:45.12 | neutronix7 | if i may ask though awilcox why do you use them? |
| 23:45.40 | neutronix7 | we have to put Lotus123 on the laptops but no one uses it except for some crusty ancient IBM'ers |
| 23:45.58 | awilcox | well, WordPerfect because it's superior to every other word processor I've tried -- and I've tried AbiWord, M$ Word, OOo, et al. |
| 23:46.10 | awilcox | Lotus 1-2-3, I have on my old IBM somewhere but I don't use it often anymore |
| 23:46.18 | neutronix7 | if thou sayest |
| 23:46.48 | blast007 | hello neutronix7 :) |
| 23:46.48 | neutronix7 | man how do you know when your server/map is at its optimal? no tweaks and that sort of thing |
| 23:46.53 | neutronix7 | hiya blast007 |
| 23:46.55 | neutronix7 | :-) |
| 23:50.00 | Aribeth | wow, im suprised i remembered my passwords lol |
| 23:50.30 | neutronix7 | i can never do that Aribeth count yourself lucky |
| 23:50.51 | neutronix7 | i have to pull up notepad EVERY time i come up with a password :-\ |
| 23:50.51 | Aribeth | i havn't been on since april |
| 23:51.03 | neutronix7 | oh i use the same one always for irc |
| 23:51.08 | neutronix7 | even on different servers |
| 23:51.14 | CBG` | notepad? write 'em down on post-its. |
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| 23:51.23 | neutronix7 | CBG`: i quit doing that :-D |
| 23:51.34 | neutronix7 | at work that's a fireable offense |
| 23:51.38 | neutronix7 | as well as it should be |
| 23:51.53 | TD-Linux | how is notepad better? |
| 23:51.55 | CBG` | can't think why... |
| 23:52.07 | Aribeth | i use a notebook, but lost the old one in the move |
| 23:52.08 | neutronix7 | at least i can type it in |
| 23:52.21 | neutronix7 | i suppose its good for home Aribeth |
| 23:52.26 | neutronix7 | my hood though... one never knows |
| 23:52.41 | neutronix7 | the burglars are more sophisticaed than the residents sadly |
| 23:52.43 | bryjen | saved in a file only you have perms to is better than stuck to your monitor for anyone to see |
| 23:52.48 | TD-Linux | w00t, an unencrypted plain text file with all of neutronix7's password... |
| 23:53.03 | neutronix7 | and if you can get em, you deserve em |
| 23:53.05 | neutronix7 | ;-) |
| 23:53.09 | TD-Linux | I bet it's on your Administrator Account you don't have password protected |
| 23:53.15 | neutronix7 | oh crap |
| 23:53.21 | neutronix7 | how did you know that? |
| 23:53.23 | neutronix7 | ;-) |
| 23:53.43 | neutronix7 | running as root for ten straight years!!!! |
| 23:53.50 | Aribeth | haha, well, my computer fried the other day so noone can hack it now lol |
| 23:54.00 | neutronix7 | hard drive :-) |
| 23:54.07 | Aribeth | mainboard |
| 23:54.10 | neutronix7 | and here's a personal lesson for you guys.... |
| 23:54.10 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15732 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/plugin_utils/ (plugin_utils.cpp plugin_utils.h): add url_decode |
| 23:54.25 | neutronix7 | just becuase you think you deleted it... dosnt mean it's not still there |
| 23:54.30 | neutronix7 | they found my pics |
| 23:54.32 | neutronix7 | ;-) |
| 23:54.33 | Aribeth | yep |
| 23:54.45 | Aribeth | haha |
| 23:54.54 | neutronix7 | cant wait til the new monitor comes... going to take the old one and sling it down the street |
| 23:54.59 | bryjen | stress relief |
| 23:55.01 | neutronix7 | then just walk away and leave it |
| 23:55.20 | bryjen | ~crush neutronix7 for littering |
| 23:55.21 | ibot | ACTION crushes neutronix7 for littering with a full height scsi disk |
| 23:55.22 | TD-Linux | donate it to someone |
| 23:55.25 | neutronix7 | and go "what are you all looking at? i got disposed of it properly!!! what??" |
| 23:55.37 | Aribeth | a lightning storm zapped it, it worked for a few weeks although usb was fried, then it just wouldnt boot anymore |
| 23:55.40 | TD-Linux | I'm sure there are many people who need a cheap computer and would be happy to not have to buy a monitor |
| 23:55.52 | neutronix7 | ugh full height scsi disk? one of those 80 wide? |
| 23:56.09 | neutronix7 | do people work on monitors anymore? in the States? |
| 23:56.12 | JeffM | get params are seperated by a & right? |
| 23:56.13 | neutronix7 | dunno |
| 23:56.20 | neutronix7 | yeah JeffM |
| 23:56.23 | JeffM | thanks |
| 23:56.34 | neutronix7 | foo?name=name&password=password |
| 23:56.44 | awilcox | yep |
| 23:57.02 | awilcox | neutronix7: yes, there are |
| 23:57.08 | JeffM | and it's always as ? at the start of them right? |
| 23:57.10 | awilcox | (people who work on monitors) |
| 23:57.15 | awilcox | JeffM: yep |
| 23:57.16 | neutronix7 | ? at the end of the function |
| 23:57.20 | neutronix7 | or method |
| 23:57.25 | JeffM | or page |
| 23:57.25 | neutronix7 | whatever you want to call it |
| 23:57.43 | neutronix7 | yeah page for PHP and CGI |
| 23:57.51 | awilcox | http://10.0.0.1/MyLeetPage.php?arg1=value&arg2=value |
| 23:57.57 | neutronix7 | sweet |
| 23:58.10 | JeffM | I'm calling it the URL at this point |
| 23:58.14 | neutronix7 | awilcox: i figured only people in 3rd world countries did the monitor repair |
| 23:58.20 | JeffM | the URL ends at the ? and the param block begins after |
| 23:58.22 | neutronix7 | too dangerous |
| 23:58.26 | awilcox | heh |
| 23:58.45 | awilcox | nopt if a) you know what you're doing, and b) you are gorunded |
| 23:58.52 | awilcox | s/gorunded/grounded/ |
| 23:59.00 | neutronix7 | #1 I dont know what im doing... |
| 23:59.06 | awilcox | lol |
| 23:59.09 | neutronix7 | #2 I am certainly not what you'd call grounded |
| 23:59.10 | JeffM | and I assume that http://10.0.0.1/MyLeetPage.php?arg1=value=bob is invalid? |
| 23:59.17 | neutronix7 | no |
| 23:59.21 | awilcox | no |
| 23:59.21 | neutronix7 | you'll need the & |
| 23:59.23 | JeffM | or would arg1 be value? or bob? |
| 23:59.32 | awilcox | but I believe the arg1 would equal value |
| 23:59.34 | awilcox | lemme test |
| 23:59.41 | Constitution | or it would equal value=bob |
| 23:59.52 | bryjen | you'd probly need to escape a = or & in the value |