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| 00:11.36 | awilcox | DTRemenak: ping |
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| 00:56.52 | jude- | anyone here familiar with haskell? |
| 01:01.28 | Knippschild | can you turn off the console from displaying "Mouse movement, keyboard movement" |
| 01:04.14 | rtfm | Knippschild: assuming you use the keyboard all the time for control? |
| 01:04.44 | Knippschild | i switch from time to time (laptopo) |
| 01:04.58 | rtfm | you can force it to a certain device: Options > Input Settings > Active Input Device |
| 01:05.05 | rtfm | (keyboard, mouse, joystick) |
| 01:05.19 | rtfm | auto is the default, so that people can switch between them easily |
| 01:17.33 | Macrosoft | Winny: you couldnt scale down that pic before you posted? |
| 01:17.42 | Winny | nope |
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| 01:18.55 | Macrosoft | Winny: that must be brita's new marketing strategy "water so pure even Lord Vader himself cant resist" |
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| 01:27.42 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Display errors at the bottom of the form |
| 01:27.42 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Validate the "Uploader Information" |
| 01:30.49 | Macrosoft | AAA_awright: havent seen you in a while, anything new happen? |
| 01:40.47 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r15680 10/trunk/web/submitimages/ (15 files in 2 dirs): |
| 01:40.47 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Delete some old files. |
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| 01:51.50 | delusional | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:52.25 | delusional | does -packetlosswarn work, is what I'm asking |
| 01:53.27 | delusional | ... in 2.0.9 |
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| 03:50.16 | rtfm | hi JeffM :) |
| 03:50.21 | JeffM | sup |
| 03:53.09 | JeffM | please tell me school starts soon. |
| 03:53.27 | a_meteorite | Already did, JeffM :) |
| 03:53.52 | a_meteorite | I started one week ago, graduating in 5 weeks and starting college. :) |
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| 03:54.09 | JeffM | then why won't the shut up :) |
| 03:54.13 | a_meteorite | (nearly one year early graduation) |
| 03:54.46 | a_meteorite | Heh, beats me... they're looking for their hibernate attention. Keeps them going during the school year. |
| 03:57.34 | rtfm | JeffM: just wait until they all get snowed in and can't go to school |
| 03:57.45 | JeffM | great |
| 03:59.04 | rtfm | JeffM: omg, l00k i have a anti-cheet cleint 4 cops |
| 03:59.39 | JeffM | yeah |
| 03:59.43 | JeffM | I sent him a nice message |
| 03:59.47 | rtfm | :) |
| 04:00.14 | JeffM | he may have legitimate mods, but if he comunciates like that, he's just kicking his own butt. |
| 04:01.42 | a_meteorite | I couldn't resist. :D |
| 04:02.03 | a_meteorite | If he had done such a monumental message in non-Engrish I would have been nice, as would have been others. |
| 04:02.27 | a_meteorite | So far he talks "like dis and i am teh c00l one of all of u" |
| 04:03.03 | JeffM | he may have legitimate mods |
| 04:03.08 | a_meteorite | Maybe. |
| 04:03.09 | JeffM | MAAAAAYYYYYYBBBBBEEEEE |
| 04:03.17 | a_meteorite | That's a big maybe. |
| 04:03.27 | JeffM | dude, didn't you see how LONG it was ;) |
| 04:03.30 | a_meteorite | If he does, it's probably.. uh.. overly exaggerated. |
| 04:03.41 | a_meteorite | :) |
| 04:03.43 | JeffM | we should not be ones to judge before we know what he has |
| 04:04.25 | a_meteorite | If he had joined today, and made a nice syllabus exactly what his mods does, and provided even a download that did partially what he described, I would believe everything. |
| 04:04.32 | a_meteorite | So far he has not made a good impression since his joining. |
| 04:04.33 | JeffM | you should know that better then anyone. |
| 04:04.49 | rtfm | awww, cia.vc is down |
| 04:04.50 | JeffM | we shall see |
| 04:05.16 | a_meteorite | indeed |
| 04:05.17 | JeffM | I asked him to come discuss it here, and comunicate clearly in the future, so we can all work together, all big and happy and famialy ish |
| 04:06.19 | a_meteorite | Translation: group hugz lulz |
| 04:06.21 | a_meteorite | ;) |
| 04:06.35 | JeffM | wow, man, you are just mean |
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| 04:15.04 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Show the "Home" link even when logged out. |
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| 04:54.37 | JeffM | rtfm, and other admins, just so you all know "the lone tanker" won't be able to post anymore. |
| 04:56.01 | L4m3r | Lol. |
| 04:56.05 | L4m3r | what happened with that thread? |
| 04:56.21 | JeffM | I just beleted it |
| 04:56.32 | L4m3r | did it degenerate into a flamewar? |
| 04:56.47 | JeffM | no, idiot babble |
| 04:56.51 | L4m3r | heh |
| 04:56.56 | JeffM | so I sent him a PM, asking him to discuss his changes, etc.. |
| 04:57.05 | awilcox | ~JeffM++ |
| 04:57.13 | JeffM | and to comunicate clearly, or people would be less willing to belive him |
| 04:57.25 | JeffM | his responce was " |
| 04:57.26 | JeffM | |
| 04:57.26 | JeffM | ur jealus arent u ill send u 1 in floppy whats ur adress" |
| 04:57.33 | JeffM | so he's full of crap |
| 04:57.47 | L4m3r | of course he is... isn't he like, 10? |
| 04:57.48 | JeffM | and probably just an existing user, trying to stir stuff up. |
| 04:57.55 | JeffM | he said he was 14 |
| 04:58.04 | JeffM | so ether he is an idiot, or a troll. |
| 04:58.08 | JeffM | ether way, he's done posting. |
| 04:58.11 | L4m3r | he was someone's brother |
| 04:58.14 | L4m3r | remember? |
| 04:58.18 | JeffM | of course he was |
| 04:58.28 | L4m3r | he registered with a name that was almost identical to another guy |
| 04:58.57 | JeffM | and I'm the king of japan ;) |
| 04:58.57 | L4m3r | and everyone nagged him so he changed it |
| 04:58.57 | JeffM | may be related, may be the same guy, pulling stuff |
| 04:58.57 | JeffM | dosn't matter |
| 04:58.57 | L4m3r | heh |
| 04:59.07 | JeffM | he's not offering anything positive to the boards. |
| 04:59.17 | JeffM | I told him when he wants to talk like an adult to come find us. |
| 04:59.32 | L4m3r | aww, you baleeted his other thread too? |
| 04:59.49 | JeffM | if he pulls crap on servers, we can take further action. |
| 04:59.52 | JeffM | yeah, it was all crap |
| 05:00.17 | L4m3r | damn, well, I can't figure out who he was allegedly related to then :\ |
| 05:00.25 | JeffM | dosn't matter |
| 05:00.40 | JeffM | if it's a real user, this wont' stop then and you'll have plenty of evedence then |
| 05:00.52 | JeffM | if it is an idiot, then maybe he'll go home and rethink his life. |
| 05:01.14 | JeffM | no need to witch hunt till there's a problem. |
| 05:01.35 | L4m3r | no witch hunting... just curious |
| 05:01.43 | awilcox | L4m3r: Or you could just ask someone who already read the thread if they remember. |
| 05:01.56 | L4m3r | awilcox: it was from a few weeks ago |
| 05:02.04 | JeffM | he wan't IP's as well awilcox |
| 05:02.04 | awilcox | ahh, I see. |
| 05:02.28 | L4m3r | hm... USB wireless-G adapters. /pass |
| 05:02.38 | awilcox | JeffM: he wanted IPs? as in what? |
| 05:03.01 | L4m3r | woot has sucked lately |
| 05:03.13 | JeffM | the ipod for 99 was a good deal |
| 05:03.22 | L4m3r | not really |
| 05:03.33 | L4m3r | considering it was refurb'd, 20GB, and HP-made |
| 05:03.54 | JeffM | where else can you get anything over a 2 gig for that price? |
| 05:04.10 | awilcox | 99$ for an iPod?! |
| 05:04.17 | awilcox | where? |
| 05:04.19 | JeffM | the Gen 4's are tanks |
| 05:04.25 | JeffM | awilcox: woot, a couple days ago |
| 05:04.31 | L4m3r | JeffM: I think woot has had 40GB players for that price |
| 05:04.42 | JeffM | still a good deal |
| 05:04.48 | JeffM | if you need an ipod biger then a nano |
| 05:05.07 | JeffM | awilcox: woot.com |
| 05:05.15 | L4m3r | lame shirt too |
| 05:06.33 | L4m3r | I got some of those controllers that were on a week or two ago |
| 05:06.49 | a_meteorite | A tad off-topic, but I'm hoping some people with prior essay experience could go over my Scholarship Essay (yes, I realize this is not the Homework Help channel, but...). Any suggestions, please PM me or head over to #bzfx. http://69.229.200.160/screenshots/Scholarship%20Essay.pdf |
| 05:07.08 | awilcox | pdf >_> |
| 05:07.12 | awilcox | ~bad a_met |
| 05:07.12 | ibot | Bad a_met, bad! No cookie for you! |
| 05:07.16 | a_meteorite | Well, I could provide a txt :) |
| 05:07.17 | JeffM | a_meteorite: essy would be better. |
| 05:07.17 | L4m3r | where are you going to school, met? |
| 05:07.25 | awilcox | a_met: txt is perfect |
| 05:07.40 | a_meteorite | L4m3r: It's just a generic essay, it's nothing in particular (counselor told me to do it) |
| 05:07.44 | JeffM | oh, download a reader you big babby |
| 05:08.01 | L4m3r | or use an OS that comes with one (KDE FTW) |
| 05:08.32 | awilcox | JeffM: blah |
| 05:08.38 | a_meteorite | http://69.229.200.160/screenshots/Scholarship%20Essay.txt |
| 05:08.45 | awilcox | L4m3r: I _have_ a reader, I just have no free RAM for it |
| 05:08.47 | awilcox | er |
| 05:08.54 | awilcox | flip those two nicks around. |
| 05:08.55 | JeffM | close some crap then |
| 05:08.59 | JeffM | you don't need that much porn |
| 05:09.09 | awilcox | JeffM: lol |
| 05:09.26 | JeffM | if you had 1k for every time you whine or complain, you'd have a terabyte by now. |
| 05:09.30 | awilcox | JeffM: this is a server that just happens to be my IRC machine. |
| 05:09.53 | L4m3r | wow, bad combo |
| 05:09.57 | awilcox | JeffM: if I had a kilobyte for every time you complained about me complained, I'd have a RAID array of terabyte disks. |
| 05:10.00 | JeffM | one word, swapspace. |
| 05:10.01 | L4m3r | you running IRC as root, too? |
| 05:10.10 | awilcox | L4m3r, no I'm running it as awilcox |
| 05:10.13 | JeffM | awilcox: I do have one, and can open PDF's |
| 05:10.18 | JeffM | but have fun |
| 05:10.34 | JeffM | telling the world how crap your hardware is, and how you will upgrade it when you can ;) |
| 05:10.57 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 05:11.10 | a_meteorite | It always gets extremely quiet after Jeff leaves. ;) |
| 05:11.38 | a_meteorite | He like says a bunch of lines then *BOOM* signs off. |
| 05:13.09 | awilcox | a_met: I'm in the same situations as you are |
| 05:13.17 | awilcox | well, except all of my family went to college. |
| 05:13.27 | a_meteorite | none of mine have |
| 05:13.36 | a_meteorite | very few have even graduated high school |
| 05:13.43 | awilcox | I'm fortunate enough to have a family of CS geniuses ^_^ |
| 05:13.46 | a_meteorite | and imagine that.. I'm graduating high school early and going to college early! :) |
| 05:13.57 | awilcox | a_met: wow, that's a magnificent achievement :D |
| 05:14.19 | awilcox | a_met: so I suppose that you can sort of empathise with me |
| 05:14.21 | a_meteorite | but, man, I suck at essays. I bet that is glaring with problems. |
| 05:14.24 | awilcox | about how lame my hardware is |
| 05:14.34 | a_meteorite | awilcox: oh, definitely, I have crap hardware too |
| 05:14.55 | awilcox | a_met: and the problem isn't that it isn't useful -- even WITH new hardware I could find uses for these old machines |
| 05:15.01 | awilcox | the problem is I'm forced to use them |
| 05:15.07 | a_meteorite | or a cluster. dang, that'd be awesome. |
| 05:15.23 | a_meteorite | heh, old hardware always has it's place |
| 05:15.23 | awilcox | a virtual over-the-network cluster? |
| 05:15.40 | awilcox | you only need some Pentium IIs and Windows 2000 Server to do that |
| 05:15.52 | awilcox | at least, that's what I used |
| 05:15.57 | awilcox | a P2/300 and P2/450 |
| 05:16.19 | a_meteorite | I tried to distcc over my iMac G5 and P3 933 |
| 05:16.19 | awilcox | but anyways, the only thing about the essy I would change is that you put the entire "BLAH High School" too often |
| 05:16.31 | a_meteorite | and gave up when I realized when I had to do a toolchain for another arch |
| 05:16.40 | awilcox | I would try to use "BLAH High School" once and just refer to it as "BLAH" the rest of the times |
| 05:16.47 | a_meteorite | ahh |
| 05:17.01 | awilcox | a_met: hah. cross-plat distcc wouldn't be much fun :P |
| 05:17.29 | awilcox | bah |
| 05:17.38 | awilcox | JeffM's quit message got No Such Thing stuck in my head >_> |
| 05:17.50 | a_meteorite | though it would considerably improve bzflag compile times |
| 05:17.56 | a_meteorite | it seems as if the ppc sucks at compiling |
| 05:18.12 | a_meteorite | the p3 933 is much faster than the g5 2ghz at compiling |
| 05:18.47 | a_meteorite | probably bad gcc implementation that apple provides, though |
| 05:18.57 | awilcox | the only thing I don't like about myself is that I have a horrid work ethic |
| 05:19.18 | a_meteorite | "stick a bunch of copy protection and TPM and sell it for $$$"? |
| 05:19.20 | awilcox | basically "itll get done when it gets done." I've been known to be 2 or more months off >_> |
| 05:19.31 | a_meteorite | I'm exactly the same when it comes to my projects |
| 05:19.38 | a_meteorite | BZFX has been "almost done" for over a year |
| 05:19.39 | awilcox | a_met: well, you give me hope then :P |
| 05:19.55 | a_meteorite | well, it really is almost done... it's the finishing touches it needs... |
| 05:20.01 | a_meteorite | :P |
| 05:20.02 | awilcox | my hard disk driver has been "entering Beta stage" for a number of months |
| 05:20.10 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 05:20.29 | a_meteorite | that's a lot harder than I'd attempt :) |
| 05:20.35 | awilcox | AWOS 0.0.9 was due December 06 |
| 05:20.45 | awilcox | 0.0.9-beta1 was released in May. |
| 05:20.51 | awilcox | hmm. |
| 05:20.53 | a_meteorite | I don't think I want to ever get into such low-level code. The amount of inconsistencies is.. amazing. |
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| 06:47.09 | lepoulpe303 | hi all |
| 06:58.35 | brlcad | howdy |
| 06:59.00 | brlcad | [dmp]: heh, well thanks again for the hard work regardless |
| 06:59.26 | brlcad | maybe I'll just have to try more persistently |
| 06:59.36 | awilcox | argh |
| 06:59.50 | awilcox | 4 networks becomes too much for irssi to handle in one session |
| 07:15.44 | ruskie | lol |
| 07:15.46 | ruskie | only 4 |
| 07:16.05 | ruskie | I've got 8 in a single irssi |
| 07:16.09 | ruskie | with 70 chans |
| 07:16.22 | ruskie | no prob whatsoever |
| 07:26.54 | daxxar | ^_^ |
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| 15:36.33 | blast007` | hello kkkljh |
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| 16:24.10 | TD-Linux | blast007`, how about putting in a PNG reader and checking the dimensions to make sure they are powers of two and not too big? |
| 16:24.43 | JeffM | it dosn't have to be power of 2 |
| 16:25.16 | TD-Linux | I've had images rejected for that reason |
| 16:25.29 | JeffM | that was before when I was uninformend |
| 16:25.47 | JeffM | BZ does scaling, and will take it to power of 2 internaly |
| 16:25.54 | TD-Linux | oh, nasty |
| 16:26.14 | TD-Linux | does it scale the image, or just add padding? |
| 16:26.19 | JeffM | yeah it'll look like crap, but hey, the uploader should have tested it locacly |
| 16:26.21 | JeffM | scale |
| 16:26.23 | JeffM | you can't padd |
| 16:26.31 | JeffM | cus then the UVs are wrong |
| 16:26.34 | JeffM | and you can't repeat it |
| 16:27.32 | blast007` | "Take it to the power of 2!" <-- that could be a good slogan |
| 16:27.38 | JeffM | heh |
| 16:27.54 | JeffM | it'll be less important with future versions of GL. |
| 16:27.59 | trepan | modern (past decade?), vidcards support npot; and brlcad has some code... |
| 16:28.11 | JeffM | yeah hardware suports it |
| 16:28.24 | JeffM | we can probsbly just pass it in now and most cards will be fine |
| 16:28.35 | JeffM | may have to require GL 1.5 or something to be sure. |
| 16:28.48 | trepan | just check for the ext. |
| 16:28.56 | JeffM | indeed |
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| 19:17.44 | awilcox | Aiee, all these poor people |
| 19:18.47 | Winny | hahaha |
| 19:18.51 | Winny | ~awilcox++ |
| 19:19.01 | awilcox | :) |
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| 19:28.18 | comcast | awilcox: all your bandwidth are belong to us |
| 19:28.35 | comcast | :p |
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| 19:32.40 | awilcox | oh teh noes! |
| 19:32.41 | awilcox | it's comcast! |
| 19:32.45 | neutronix7 | anyone here from Mofo? |
| 19:32.57 | awilcox | neutronix7: I've played there before. sup? |
| 19:33.12 | neutronix7 | i cant find that high voltage map agggghhhh!!!! |
| 19:33.17 | neutronix7 | it is the most awesome map |
| 19:33.34 | awilcox | Have you tried the search function from within bzflag? |
| 19:33.42 | neutronix7 | yeah and i didnt see it |
| 19:33.51 | neutronix7 | should it be showing? |
| 19:34.01 | neutronix7 | man i wish i could get stuff like that on my server |
| 19:34.01 | JeffM | many servers rotate thru maps |
| 19:34.07 | neutronix7 | true |
| 19:34.14 | JeffM | ask them for the map |
| 19:34.25 | awilcox | neutronix7: MoFo is known to change maps. but, did you try searching for just "mofo"? |
| 19:34.31 | neutronix7 | well i dont want to put it on mine since it's not mine :-) |
| 19:34.37 | awilcox | it would list all the servers from mofo (it searches server name and map name.) |
| 19:34.37 | neutronix7 | or since i didnt create it |
| 19:34.47 | JeffM | ther eis nothing wrong with hosting another persons map with permision |
| 19:34.50 | JeffM | ask them |
| 19:34.54 | neutronix7 | is it bad to do that? i am erring on the side of caution :-) |
| 19:34.55 | JeffM | youd' be suprised |
| 19:34.59 | JeffM | not if you ask |
| 19:35.00 | neutronix7 | oh really? |
| 19:35.03 | JeffM | sure |
| 19:35.12 | JeffM | the may not have made the map |
| 19:35.13 | awilcox | neutronix7: I know that I'd gladly let someone mirror my map. |
| 19:35.23 | JeffM | many users relese maps for anyone to use |
| 19:35.32 | JeffM | hence the entire "map releases" foum on BZBB |
| 19:35.41 | neutronix7 | ok....i thought though that anyone could just save the maps from the server directly |
| 19:35.48 | JeffM | techincaly you can |
| 19:35.53 | neutronix7 | is it ok to ask if you use certain features? |
| 19:36.02 | neutronix7 | say like the billboard images? |
| 19:36.05 | JeffM | that's between you and the author |
| 19:36.08 | neutronix7 | ok |
| 19:36.09 | JeffM | it never hurts to ask |
| 19:36.14 | neutronix7 | yeah true |
| 19:36.30 | JeffM | stealing bad, asking + sharing good. |
| 19:36.32 | neutronix7 | man i just wish i knew more on this stuff |
| 19:36.36 | neutronix7 | oh ok |
| 19:36.42 | awilcox | neutronix7: _ask_ _permission_ _first_ -- but they are cached to your computer (the billboards) |
| 19:36.44 | neutronix7 | i'd be happy to share my maps |
| 19:36.46 | JeffM | basic kindergarden rules man |
| 19:36.50 | neutronix7 | though i didnt make them all myself |
| 19:36.50 | JeffM | common sense and all |
| 19:36.53 | neutronix7 | i bought them :-) |
| 19:37.00 | JeffM | bought? |
| 19:37.08 | JeffM | who sold you maps? |
| 19:37.21 | awilcox | neutronix7: bought? with money? |
| 19:37.24 | neutronix7 | yeah |
| 19:37.27 | neutronix7 | guyfawkes |
| 19:37.30 | JeffM | wow |
| 19:37.34 | awilcox | hmm.' |
| 19:37.34 | neutronix7 | he sold me the server and everything |
| 19:37.36 | awilcox | ' |
| 19:37.37 | JeffM | oh |
| 19:37.39 | JeffM | ahah |
| 19:37.45 | awilcox | neutronix7: hehe |
| 19:37.47 | JeffM | most of his maps were existing maps |
| 19:37.47 | awilcox | pythonian? |
| 19:37.50 | neutronix7 | he had it up for bid |
| 19:37.52 | neutronix7 | yeah |
| 19:37.54 | neutronix7 | my server now |
| 19:37.56 | JeffM | you could have just made it all youself |
| 19:37.59 | awilcox | neat |
| 19:38.05 | neutronix7 | yeah but i had no clue |
| 19:38.13 | JeffM | how much did you waste on that if I may ask? |
| 19:38.17 | neutronix7 | he showed me how to do everything ... i have a better understanding |
| 19:38.19 | neutronix7 | now |
| 19:38.22 | neutronix7 | np |
| 19:38.28 | neutronix7 | i paid him 50$ |
| 19:38.34 | jafm | :O |
| 19:38.35 | JeffM | wow, good scam |
| 19:38.41 | neutronix7 | hah hah you think so? |
| 19:38.44 | JeffM | I know so |
| 19:38.54 | neutronix7 | oh |
| 19:38.58 | awilcox | wows |
| 19:38.58 | JeffM | all the info to set it all up is public knowledge |
| 19:38.59 | jafm | guyfawkes is an ass |
| 19:39.01 | awilcox | did you get hardware? |
| 19:39.01 | JeffM | and on our sites |
| 19:39.11 | JeffM | no, it was just his "Scripts" |
| 19:39.14 | neutronix7 | well i didn't think he was a very nice person |
| 19:39.20 | awilcox | lol. |
| 19:39.27 | neutronix7 | well ... i took over his server subscription |
| 19:39.34 | JeffM | I belive most of his maps were stolen, or exsting shared maps with mods. |
| 19:39.35 | awilcox | he sold GPL content for 50$. |
| 19:39.42 | neutronix7 | yeah |
| 19:39.44 | awilcox | (basically) |
| 19:39.45 | neutronix7 | :-) |
| 19:39.48 | JeffM | server subscription? |
| 19:39.56 | JeffM | oh he had a host? |
| 19:39.59 | neutronix7 | hmmm how do you say.... i pay for the hosting |
| 19:40.00 | JeffM | how much that run a month? |
| 19:40.01 | neutronix7 | now |
| 19:40.06 | neutronix7 | about 50$ |
| 19:40.14 | JeffM | how much bandwith a month? |
| 19:40.15 | neutronix7 | but i got the rest of the year for free |
| 19:40.18 | awilcox | 50$/month for a server?! |
| 19:40.21 | neutronix7 | yeah |
| 19:40.27 | awilcox | dang man |
| 19:40.40 | JeffM | that may not be a bad deal, depending on bandwith |
| 19:40.48 | neutronix7 | the bandwidth is unlimited at this point |
| 19:40.54 | Winny | LOL you BOUGHT Pythonian?! |
| 19:40.55 | JeffM | doubtfull |
| 19:41.06 | Winny | sorry, but I just had to say that. |
| 19:41.10 | neutronix7 | that's what i thought until i checked it |
| 19:41.10 | JeffM | the host ISP will have a tansfer limit cap |
| 19:41.19 | JeffM | who's the ISP? |
| 19:41.19 | awilcox | consider getting a business package from your ISP, normally it's 20$/mo higher and they give you DNS too (a hostname). worth looking into. |
| 19:41.28 | JeffM | awilcox, you assume much |
| 19:41.33 | neutronix7 | i think it may have a cap of 1TB |
| 19:41.34 | JeffM | it's a colo box |
| 19:41.38 | neutronix7 | yes it is |
| 19:41.48 | neutronix7 | i still think it was a good deal honestly |
| 19:41.52 | JeffM | then 50$ is a decent proce for 1tb |
| 19:41.54 | awilcox | JeffM: but it may be better to spend less money and host it himself |
| 19:41.55 | JeffM | yeah it is |
| 19:42.01 | JeffM | awilcox, no he won't |
| 19:42.04 | JeffM | not at all |
| 19:42.05 | neutronix7 | it's 50$ for a year |
| 19:42.12 | awilcox | neutronix7: ohhh.... |
| 19:42.13 | JeffM | WHERE? |
| 19:42.16 | neutronix7 | if i re-up on it next year, yeah it will be very expensive |
| 19:42.20 | awilcox | neutronix7: where are you getting that deal?! |
| 19:42.23 | JeffM | shared hosting? or you own the box? |
| 19:42.34 | neutronix7 | Server Pronto |
| 19:42.35 | JeffM | what host? |
| 19:42.44 | neutronix7 | no i dont actually OWN the hw |
| 19:42.54 | JeffM | I know |
| 19:43.00 | JeffM | but are you the only user on the box? |
| 19:43.07 | neutronix7 | yes as far as i know |
| 19:43.19 | neutronix7 | but you know... it may be a virtual box |
| 19:43.34 | neutronix7 | looking at my statements now |
| 19:43.43 | neutronix7 | 49.00$ / month |
| 19:43.52 | JeffM | usualy shared hosting dosn't let you install stuff |
| 19:43.55 | neutronix7 | yes you're right JeffM |
| 19:44.00 | neutronix7 | there is a limit on the bw |
| 19:44.02 | JeffM | is that the "intel starter" one? |
| 19:44.07 | JeffM | 200megs? |
| 19:44.09 | neutronix7 | hmm not sure |
| 19:44.14 | neutronix7 | no not that one |
| 19:44.32 | neutronix7 | it says Linux Celeron Starter |
| 19:44.34 | awilcox | hmm. |
| 19:44.39 | JeffM | actualy they seem to have decent prices |
| 19:44.41 | L4m3r | as long as we don't have to see that asshat trolling the list with bots anymore, I'm happy |
| 19:44.48 | awilcox | 1 Reboot included, add'l reboots: $29/ea |
| 19:44.53 | JeffM | ouch |
| 19:45.01 | neutronix7 | wow that's an expensive reboot |
| 19:45.03 | awilcox | woot |
| 19:45.06 | Winny | neutronix7: just to let you know, pythonian has a VERY VERY bad name in the commnity. It'll be fun cleaning it up. |
| 19:45.14 | neutronix7 | yeah that's ok |
| 19:45.25 | L4m3r | yeah, I'd honestly recommend dropping it altogether and taking a new name |
| 19:45.27 | neutronix7 | i can understand how that goes |
| 19:45.34 | neutronix7 | you think so? |
| 19:45.37 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 19:45.47 | awilcox | :P |
| 19:45.48 | neutronix7 | besides the bots, where did this guy go wrong? |
| 19:45.55 | Winny | stole maps |
| 19:46.04 | JeffM | mostly he was a jerk, and yeah stole most of that content you paid for. |
| 19:46.08 | neutronix7 | i do have the bots script running but it's a lot less than it was |
| 19:46.08 | L4m3r | his servers have a reputation for excessive bot-whoring, complete lack of server administration, and map theft |
| 19:46.18 | neutronix7 | oh... which map did he steal? |
| 19:46.24 | Winny | mostly all of them |
| 19:46.25 | JeffM | most of them IIRC |
| 19:46.35 | neutronix7 | wow really? |
| 19:46.35 | L4m3r | Boxy War, originally, a couple years ago |
| 19:46.43 | L4m3r | we chased him away, and he came back more recently |
| 19:46.51 | neutronix7 | oh that's crappy |
| 19:47.22 | neutronix7 | he was a very interesting person to say the least |
| 19:47.24 | L4m3r | I don't think anyone will miss his maps |
| 19:47.25 | JeffM | they do have a base package of 30$ a month, then an addition 9$ to get you to a full TB of data |
| 19:47.27 | JeffM | not horible |
| 19:47.31 | JeffM | single IP |
| 19:47.41 | awilcox | isn't that basically map laundering? |
| 19:47.43 | JeffM | ain't the gratest hardware in the world |
| 19:47.52 | L4m3r | just get a new domain and a map, and start your own setup :) |
| 19:47.58 | awilcox | stealing the map and then selling them? |
| 19:48.02 | Winny | JeffM: at least it doesn't crash every 5 days, like my VPS:p |
| 19:48.15 | neutronix7 | his mom gave him a lot of money and he seemed to have some issues |
| 19:48.20 | JeffM | yeah, hence why I say you wasted the cash, unless he paid for the rest of the year in service |
| 19:48.24 | JeffM | Winny, it's a virtual box? |
| 19:48.29 | Winny | JeffM: yes |
| 19:48.33 | JeffM | seems to say it's a real machine here |
| 19:48.34 | awilcox | Winny: didn't you just get a new server? |
| 19:48.39 | neutronix7 | well there was one guy who was going to pay 100$ for it |
| 19:48.44 | Winny | awilcox: talking about it right now |
| 19:48.45 | JeffM | AMD2000+ 40 gig drive, and 256 megs of ram |
| 19:48.47 | neutronix7 | but he was doing it because he hated him |
| 19:48.48 | JeffM | I'm guessing a blade |
| 19:49.01 | neutronix7 | blades are expensive |
| 19:49.08 | Winny | ..not old ones? |
| 19:49.10 | awilcox | Winny: but it's not a virtual computer. it's real. a Core 2, right? |
| 19:49.24 | Winny | awilcox: ...thats my desktop. |
| 19:49.26 | neutronix7 | awilcox: you asking me? |
| 19:49.29 | awilcox | oh |
| 19:49.31 | JeffM | they say it's dedicated hardware here |
| 19:49.35 | awilcox | neutronix7: no, I'm talking to Winny. |
| 19:49.43 | awilcox | Winny the pooh pooh :P |
| 19:49.49 | neutronix7 | yeah but i have to wonder JeffM ... is it really dedicated? |
| 19:49.55 | neutronix7 | you never know really |
| 19:49.56 | JeffM | the other places I looked at had a little better hardware, but cost a bit more |
| 19:50.07 | JeffM | neutronix7, true, depends on the quality of service you get |
| 19:50.11 | JeffM | has it been stable? |
| 19:50.17 | neutronix7 | yes very good i have to say |
| 19:50.29 | JeffM | then it's highly likely to be real hardware |
| 19:50.31 | neutronix7 | i am going to use it to host some web apps down the road |
| 19:50.51 | JeffM | it's actualy easier to maintain a lot of cheap hardware then it is to build a big box with lots of virtual hosts to fake it. |
| 19:51.16 | JeffM | they can buy the older cheap hardware in bulk, and just do swapouts instead of keeping a few high end machines up |
| 19:51.19 | awilcox | neutronix7, JeffM: it is most likely real hardware, they have a separate ColoPronto (at the bottom of every page in tiny print) |
| 19:51.21 | neutronix7 | well if it performs well, i dont mind... but ive never seen vmware work all that great |
| 19:51.40 | awilcox | neutronix7: I've run all kinds of crap in vmware without it going down |
| 19:51.48 | neutronix7 | yeah stable wise |
| 19:51.49 | neutronix7 | but |
| 19:51.58 | awilcox | I once had 3 VMs running at once. Windows NT 4, Windows 3.1, and Windows 95 |
| 19:51.59 | neutronix7 | when you need performance on demand... not so good |
| 19:52.03 | JeffM | Id' be nice if they offered more ram in the cheap systems |
| 19:52.03 | awilcox | yeah it was a while ago |
| 19:52.11 | JeffM | but this is a decent thing to bookmark for me :) |
| 19:52.14 | awilcox | neutronix7: true |
| 19:52.15 | neutronix7 | how much ram do you really need for bzflag though? |
| 19:52.26 | neutronix7 | JeffM: you have a bzf server? |
| 19:52.30 | JeffM | no |
| 19:52.32 | awilcox | neutronix7: it uses about 15M, iirc. |
| 19:52.38 | awilcox | maybe less |
| 19:52.40 | JeffM | but I was looking at dedicated hosting at one point |
| 19:52.47 | JeffM | for various uses |
| 19:53.11 | neutronix7 | gee.... time to run.... |
| 19:53.14 | Winny | neutronix7: I have 128mb in my VPS, I can run ~20 BZFSs, plus apache, cacti, and webmin |
| 19:53.20 | Winny | I think 256 would be fine. |
| 19:53.24 | awilcox | okay. bye neutronix7! |
| 19:53.26 | neutronix7 | you guys when you get a chance, come down and play if you ever get the itch! |
| 19:53.35 | awilcox | okay :) |
| 19:53.41 | JeffM | they don't do paypall, so that kinda sucks. |
| 19:53.59 | neutronix7 | later gators |
| 19:54.06 | JeffM | that was one nice thing that xlhost does |
| 19:55.26 | Winny | JeffM: have you heard anything good/bad about 1and1 servers? |
| 19:55.36 | JeffM | never heard of them |
| 19:55.39 | Winny | hm, ok |
| 19:55.42 | awilcox | I have |
| 19:56.02 | awilcox | I've heard nothing but good from JonathanD. |
| 19:56.28 | Winny | I use them as a webhost now, but I was looking into getting a dedicated server... Ill have to talk to him about it |
| 19:57.38 | JeffM | the monthly isn't bad for what you get |
| 19:57.47 | JeffM | 100$ for 2tb |
| 19:58.04 | JeffM | and more storage thene veryone else offers |
| 19:58.10 | JeffM | tho the OS choices suck |
| 19:58.29 | Winny | yeah |
| 19:59.20 | JeffM | you can get cheaper totaly price |
| 19:59.27 | Winny | my god, this math textbook is stupid: EVERY anwser has been 1/16 for about 6 questions. |
| 19:59.33 | brlcad | yeah, you can do better than that |
| 19:59.35 | JeffM | I've also seen 99$ for 3tb a month, but there was some setup costs |
| 19:59.37 | brlcad | not horrible, but not great |
| 20:00.16 | brlcad | the redundant I have over in germany is about 60 for about 2tb |
| 20:00.20 | awilcox | eesh, they _only_ offer Fedora Core 6? |
| 20:00.52 | brlcad | depends on the exchange rate, strength of the euro though .. and all tech support and config is in german :) |
| 20:01.22 | Winny | brlcad: seems like it would be worth it just to pay more :P |
| 20:02.52 | brlcad | depends on service/support |
| 20:03.12 | brlcad | they provide great support, a great network pipe, and reliable uptime |
| 20:04.21 | Winny | whats the name of the host? |
| 20:05.01 | brlcad | where .bz is now has been very good in that regard, with only the 2 network outtages and 1 power upgrade about to happen soon over the three years or so it's been on-line |
| 20:05.14 | brlcad | but then they've also jacked up prices since then |
| 20:05.27 | brlcad | can't even match the deal I _have_ any more, much less upgrade |
| 20:06.31 | brlcad | the dedicated over in germany is better technology-wise (faster cpu, more bandwidth, faster pipe), so it'll be interesting to see how it fairs in comparison |
| 20:24.40 | JeffM | brlcad, is there a font size that is smaller then the "info font size"? |
| 20:24.48 | JeffM | hmm maybe score is smaller |
| 20:25.52 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15692 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/HUDRenderer.cxx: since we use the console font for the hud marker labels, use the console font size too, no need for big fat tank names. |
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| 20:38.12 | PileOPus | hello |
| 20:38.39 | PileOPus | I said hello |
| 20:40.18 | daxxar | brlcad: ping privmsg. :-) |
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| 20:42.40 | awilcox | a_met!!! |
| 20:42.46 | awilcox | a_met: can you host my map for me? |
| 20:43.04 | Winny | awilcox: that uhm, craptacular thing made with BZWB? |
| 20:43.18 | awilcox | Winny: It isn't so bad now |
| 20:43.22 | Winny | oh |
| 20:43.24 | awilcox | I've changed it since then |
| 20:52.21 | comcast | what map? |
| 20:52.38 | Winny | comcrap |
| 20:52.49 | CBG | You'll see soon enough. :) |
| 21:03.30 | a_meteorite | awilcox: OH |
| 21:03.43 | a_meteorite | awilcox: I don't see #bzflag in the scroll list, I wasn't ignoring you, sorry |
| 21:03.55 | a_meteorite | Send it to me, sure |
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| 21:08.49 | awilcox | a_met: lol |
| 21:08.56 | awilcox | a_met: not a problem. |
| 21:09.15 | awilcox | but I have to ask what client you use -- most at least blink when you get hilighted |
| 21:11.06 | a_meteorite | awilcox: Mine does, but not if Colloquy is the front window |
| 21:11.22 | a_meteorite | Which it was, and #bzflag was hidden in the scroll list of channels (do a /whois on me) |
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| 21:11.32 | a_meteorite | So I didn't notice I had a ping. |
| 21:11.32 | PileOPus | hi |
| 21:12.33 | PileOPus | heheheheh |
| 21:12.49 | a_meteorite | Are you sober, PileOPus? |
| 21:13.02 | PileOPus | I said "hi" and "heheheheh" and you accuse me of being drunk? |
| 21:13.17 | a_meteorite | intoxicated != drunk |
| 21:13.24 | Winny | errr |
| 21:13.26 | PileOPus | I said "hi" and "heheheheh" and you accuse me of being intoxicated? |
| 21:13.41 | a_meteorite | Just asking. |
| 21:13.42 | a_meteorite | :) |
| 21:14.44 | PileOPus | anyways, BZFlag is hilarious |
| 21:14.50 | PileOPus | raise your hand if you agree |
| 21:14.51 | a_meteorite | How so? |
| 21:15.36 | PileOPus | the graphics are so simple and primitive and the game is just all-around amusing |
| 21:16.13 | PileOPus | sorry about the redundancy there |
| 21:16.32 | Winny | would we be here if we hated to play? |
| 21:16.33 | a_meteorite | Np, redundancy can be just a tad annoying so try to avoid it. |
| 21:16.38 | Winny | well, JeffM is a exception :p |
| 21:16.46 | a_meteorite | Hah, he just develops. |
| 21:17.01 | a_meteorite | I've only played with him once, all the other times observe. |
| 21:17.08 | a_meteorite | Wait.. twice. :) |
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| 21:27.40 | Winny | delete: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=114522#114522 |
| 21:32.42 | CBG | apologetic spam: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=114522#114522 |
| 21:32.44 | CBG | ah. damn you Winny |
| 21:33.14 | Winny | :P |
| 21:45.47 | brlcad | daxxar: pong, okay |
| 21:46.50 | JeffM | I never observe |
| 21:47.10 | brlcad | JeffM: yeah, info is kinda big .. try tinyFontSize .. the defaults are in src/bzflag/defaultBZDB.cxx |
| 21:47.34 | daxxar | brlcad: =) |
| 21:47.44 | brlcad | er, at least .. info is relative to your resolution, while there are fixed size fonts (that can be customized) |
| 21:48.09 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: I think he meant that he was observing _you_. |
| 21:48.17 | AWOSLappy | though to be honest, no offense, but um, you play? |
| 21:48.27 | JeffM | brlcad, I used console font szie, cus we were using console font |
| 21:48.38 | brlcad | daxxar: did you have doubts? |
| 21:48.40 | JeffM | AWOSLappy, hell no :) |
| 21:48.48 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: hehe :) |
| 21:49.16 | brlcad | consoleFontSize is defined as 1/128'th |
| 21:49.25 | JeffM | the old font was 1/96th |
| 21:49.31 | JeffM | so it will be smaller |
| 21:49.48 | JeffM | unless I missread |
| 21:50.04 | brlcad | fwiw, console font actually uses veramono iirc |
| 21:50.11 | brlcad | it's just the font "for the console" |
| 21:50.20 | brlcad | (by default, that is) |
| 21:50.22 | JeffM | well we were using console font face, but info font size |
| 21:50.36 | brlcad | for what? |
| 21:50.42 | JeffM | the hud labels |
| 21:51.24 | JeffM | the names that poped up over the person in front of you |
| 21:51.27 | brlcad | ahh, for *that* it more boils down to what do the various 5 or so categories "mean" |
| 21:51.34 | brlcad | as it's not entirely consistent throughout the gui |
| 21:51.38 | JeffM | it was just too big |
| 21:51.44 | JeffM | so I used the smaller one |
| 21:51.52 | brlcad | e.g. whether hud labels are "info" or "console" |
| 21:52.06 | brlcad | if it's just too big, then that would mean the default size needs tweaked |
| 21:52.10 | JeffM | well now they will match up in size and font to waht they see in the console :) |
| 21:52.18 | JeffM | so I can see reason for a corolation |
| 21:52.22 | JeffM | they match in color too |
| 21:52.23 | brlcad | if it's miscategorized, then the bzdb var needs changed |
| 21:52.44 | JeffM | gives a good match to "that guy, is that tank" :) |
| 21:53.14 | brlcad | i mean the bzdb values aren't to be taken as 'set', they're meant to be categories for the fonts and the sizes need to just be tweaked if folks aren't too happy with them |
| 21:53.25 | JeffM | yes I agree |
| 21:53.45 | JeffM | and I think if they want a larger or smaller console font, then they would want the same for the hud lable |
| 21:53.46 | brlcad | miscategorizing is just going to mess it up down the road when someone changes the font for console, expecting the console to change .. and seeing all the various hud elements change |
| 21:53.47 | JeffM | cus it's the same info |
| 21:53.54 | JeffM | so they shoudl be the same. |
| 21:54.00 | JeffM | linked as it was |
| 21:54.27 | brlcad | probably should put a screenshot up on the wiki that labels what all the various fonts are |
| 21:54.37 | JeffM | that would be a good thing :) |
| 21:55.11 | JeffM | now if only the hud was round ;) |
| 21:59.05 | brlcad | heh |
| 21:59.48 | JeffM | I am so tempted to move the hud drawing to a dll loaded class :) |
| 22:00.02 | JeffM | since that is just about the only case for client side plug-ins that I can see |
| 22:03.42 | brlcad | "why"? |
| 22:04.02 | JeffM | so it can be changed depending on how the end user wants to play |
| 22:04.08 | JeffM | some want full screen radar, etc.. |
| 22:04.14 | JeffM | rather then throwing in tons of otpions |
| 22:04.20 | JeffM | let them code there own :) |
| 22:04.36 | JeffM | like a scriptable interface, the only way I know how |
| 22:04.44 | brlcad | sounds a bit over-architected to me, it'd be much easier to break out a skin manager class that just loads a set of fonts/images |
| 22:04.50 | JeffM | then somone can hook up python to it :) |
| 22:05.05 | JeffM | what if they want more then a skin |
| 22:05.08 | JeffM | move stuff around |
| 22:05.15 | JeffM | friends lists, otehr external info |
| 22:05.21 | JeffM | current itunes song |
| 22:05.45 | JeffM | the myspace photo for your current hunt target ;) |
| 22:05.51 | brlcad | that's scriptability, which what is completely a different feature that could also be done with or without dynamic loading |
| 22:06.00 | JeffM | true |
| 22:06.04 | JeffM | I just don't know much scripting |
| 22:06.32 | JeffM | and since some if it will be tight loop rendering, leting it have a dll that can implment common features, like drawing radar, can be good for a script solution, like python, or lua |
| 22:06.39 | JeffM | that or we build all that into BZ |
| 22:06.51 | JeffM | and i"m still a fan of flexability :) |
| 22:07.28 | Erroneous | heh |
| 22:07.39 | JeffM | it won't let me post in my debug build |
| 22:07.42 | JeffM | so it dosn't crash |
| 22:07.47 | Erroneous | nice |
| 22:08.13 | brlcad | it really just depends on what feature you're providing .. if it's having "applets" that's one thing, if it's just letting users have their own look n feel, that's a different problem |
| 22:08.16 | JeffM | it may be a change I made to fix some Mike O issues, that didn't make 27 |
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| 22:08.29 | JeffM | brlcad, yeah applets |
| 22:08.41 | JeffM | leting them fully define and mod the UI, WoW style |
| 22:08.55 | JeffM | people come up with some cool stuff that way :) |
| 22:09.15 | brlcad | that really begs for a scripting layer ala lua |
| 22:09.25 | JeffM | probably |
| 22:09.42 | JeffM | but it may also need to be able to load fast compiled drawing code. |
| 22:09.49 | JeffM | for custom UI widgets |
| 22:10.45 | JeffM | and I said, I almost wanted to do it. it's a big thing |
| 22:11.03 | JeffM | ether way, all the info for the hud would have to be packaged into an exportable data set |
| 22:11.07 | JeffM | and that'll be a pain |
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| 22:12.23 | brlcad | i'm just not seeing what making them as dynamic loading libs provides as a benefit |
| 22:12.39 | JeffM | oh, so they can be tossed around to users like plugins |
| 22:12.46 | JeffM | and I don't know how to do scripting |
| 22:12.49 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: current iTunes song would be awesome. |
| 22:12.53 | JeffM | figured prototype it with dlls |
| 22:12.58 | JeffM | then it could be ported to scritps |
| 22:13.08 | brlcad | how's that different than something like lua/html tarballs though? |
| 22:13.09 | JeffM | since they have similar exported API requirements |
| 22:13.11 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: I know (shamefully) VBScript, JavaScript, PHP, Perl. |
| 22:13.29 | JeffM | brlcad, cus I don't know how to do lua/html bunldes, but other then that, nothing ;) |
| 22:13.40 | JeffM | AWOSLappy, I'm happy for you...... |
| 22:13.52 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: you said "I don't know how to scripting". I'm telling you I do. |
| 22:13.56 | JeffM | so |
| 22:14.05 | JeffM | I can't get that info from your brain |
| 22:14.08 | AWOSLappy | so what do you want me script? |
| 22:14.10 | JeffM | if you want to do the work, have at it |
| 22:14.18 | JeffM | AWOSLappy, dude, read the backlog |
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| 22:14.39 | JeffM | implement an externaly defined UI for the client. |
| 22:14.40 | AWOSLappy | well, often you use examples without meaning what you said. |
| 22:14.56 | AWOSLappy | and which language do you want, or does it matter? |
| 22:15.04 | brlcad | scripting is not the hard part, hooking in the interpreter and cleaning up the client rendering (or hooking in at the right points) would be the trick even for a plugin |
| 22:15.14 | JeffM | and since I don't know anything about script language integreation, I was telling him that I was just thinking about prototyping it with DLLs, cus tha'ts what I know. |
| 22:15.33 | JeffM | brlcad, exactly, that's the hard work, geting it all hooked in and externalised |
| 22:15.39 | JeffM | figured I'd do that with a dll first |
| 22:15.49 | JeffM | then after that is set and clean should be cake to hook it into scripting. |
| 22:16.13 | JeffM | we have the same idea, I'm just using a path I know better. |
| 22:16.21 | brlcad | JeffM: the scripting interface (at least wrt to lua) is exceptionally like a callback plugin api, just without the portability headaches of loading dynamic libs -- you hook scripting 'functions' to C functions just the same as how you'd provide callbacks |
| 22:16.29 | JeffM | I'm sure it is |
| 22:16.49 | JeffM | so if it's just like that, then the API I made for dll,s would port like cake to lua ;) |
| 22:17.04 | brlcad | should port like cake |
| 22:17.11 | JeffM | then there ya go |
| 22:17.13 | JeffM | :) |
| 22:17.14 | brlcad | the problem is just the tendency to stop at the 80% |
| 22:17.37 | JeffM | it'd be 8% if I tried to learn a scripting language in the process |
| 22:17.39 | brlcad | and the code is hen just even messier :) |
| 22:18.31 | JeffM | with C++ it'd be simpler for me in my mind, cus the first plug-in could just re-implement the drawing of the existing hud |
| 22:18.50 | JeffM | and we've agreed that we'd have to make it a set of clean API functions anyway :) |
| 22:18.57 | JeffM | DLL loaders are nothing |
| 22:19.27 | JeffM | but I have other things to finish first |
| 22:19.35 | JeffM | tangibility |
| 22:23.59 | brlcad | yeah, if the api functions are clean enough, that will help |
| 22:24.08 | brlcad | that's already "most" of the work regardless |
| 22:26.17 | JeffM | my inclindation would be to do it as a DLL, have that DLL implement common drawing functions, and then have it do the lua/python/{insert language dujour} and we just ship that dll as default |
| 22:26.36 | JeffM | tho could also just roll it into BZ proper |
| 22:26.58 | JeffM | but I'd like to get to a more autopatcher type udate system, so more modular files == better for that. |
| 22:27.05 | JeffM | at least on winderz |
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| 23:12.20 | Winny | anyone know of a way to smooth the edges of the fonts in just ONE app in windows? (IE: firefox) |
| 23:13.18 | JeffM | smothing is done by the OS |
| 23:14.02 | JeffM | it woudl be odd if they did there own TTF rendering |
| 23:20.58 | brlcad | actually, I believe they do |
| 23:21.05 | JeffM | they may force the setting |
| 23:21.09 | brlcad | because of the way gtk works |
| 23:21.13 | brlcad | (on windows) |
| 23:21.35 | JeffM | gtk? |
| 23:21.44 | JeffM | or you man FF may do it |
| 23:21.58 | brlcad | er, i mean ff's rendering layer |
| 23:22.05 | JeffM | ok |
| 23:22.15 | JeffM | cus I'm like IE, use GTK, wtf? |
| 23:22.36 | AWOSLappy | lol |
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| 23:26.59 | AWOSLappy | hello there, neutronix7 |
| 23:27.12 | neutronix7 | hi how goes it? :-) |
| 23:27.19 | AWOSLappy | fine. you? |
| 23:27.28 | neutronix7 | better than i deserve i suppose |
| 23:27.35 | AWOSLappy | aww :P |
| 23:27.43 | spldart | mmMMmm... IE on linux |
| 23:27.49 | neutronix7 | ugh |
| 23:27.50 | AWOSLappy | spldart: NOOOOOOO! |
| 23:27.55 | spldart | LOL |
| 23:27.57 | neutronix7 | but if it floats your boat spldart |
| 23:27.58 | spldart | have too |
| 23:28.08 | spldart | For two websites |
| 23:28.15 | neutronix7 | for dev? |
| 23:28.16 | spldart | the rest get mozilla type items |
| 23:28.19 | neutronix7 | so you can test? |
| 23:28.20 | spldart | Nope |
| 23:28.27 | AWOSLappy | spldart: spoof your user agent |
| 23:28.31 | spldart | Nope |
| 23:28.32 | spldart | can't |
| 23:28.45 | AWOSLappy | sure, something like UserAgentSpoofer |
| 23:28.53 | spldart | have to run windows apps in wine using ie in wine to get some manufacturer websites to cooperate |
| 23:28.54 | AWOSLappy | not sure of the name. addons.mozilla.org |
| 23:28.57 | neutronix7 | does anyone know who owns Mofo? |
| 23:29.00 | AWOSLappy | spldart: oh, the evilness. |
| 23:29.11 | spldart | true that |
| 23:29.24 | JeffM | neutronix7, I_Died_once |
| 23:29.29 | neutronix7 | oh ok |
| 23:29.31 | JeffM | they have a channel ##planetmofo |
| 23:29.33 | neutronix7 | does he come by often? |
| 23:29.47 | spldart | Cheater again? |
| 23:29.47 | JeffM | and you can PM him on the fourms as well |
| 23:29.50 | AWOSLappy | neutronix7: Yes, in #bzchat |
| 23:30.13 | AWOSLappy | spldart: no, he wants a map |
| 23:30.22 | spldart | Oh! sweet |
| 23:31.26 | neutronix7 | wow JeffM theyre a bit rude |
| 23:31.36 | JeffM | neutronix7, well look at the name they have |
| 23:32.02 | neutronix7 | yeah i suppose |
| 23:32.22 | JeffM | you don't pick that name if you plan on having tea and crumpets with grandma |
| 23:32.33 | neutronix7 | lol |
| 23:32.34 | AWOSLappy | hehe |
| 23:32.56 | neutronix7 | yeah but you know... it's like they accuse others of being jerks and theyre not much better |
| 23:33.03 | JeffM | yeah |
| 23:33.15 | neutronix7 | but what can you do |
| 23:33.16 | AWOSLappy | people can get that way in life |
| 23:33.17 | neutronix7 | :-) |
| 23:33.27 | neutronix7 | that's ok... it makes em happy, more power to em |
| 23:33.34 | AWOSLappy | true |
| 23:33.38 | JeffM | for what you need I would recomend sending I_died_once a PM |
| 23:34.03 | JeffM | eplain what you've done, new owner, all that, and ask nicely if he can send you the map, or if he did't make it, where he got it. |
| 23:34.06 | JeffM | he's not a bad guy |
| 23:34.08 | neutronix7 | ok |
| 23:34.11 | neutronix7 | np |
| 23:34.15 | neutronix7 | thanks JeffM |
| 23:34.17 | JeffM | sure |
| 23:34.42 | rtfm | trying to think which forum account he wants PMs sent to... |
| 23:35.03 | AWOSLappy | rtfm on IRC |
| 23:35.15 | AWOSLappy | hmm, that came out wrong :P |
| 23:35.23 | Winny | lol |
| 23:35.44 | neutronix7 | hey JeffM... what if someone says no, should you not play with their map? |
| 23:36.03 | AWOSLappy | neutronix7: you can play _on_ it, but correct, not with it. |
| 23:36.26 | neutronix7 | ok |
| 23:36.26 | Winny | neutronix7: most maps are relased under a lisence. If you breaks the lisence, the map authour CAN sue you |
| 23:36.37 | neutronix7 | how can you tell what license they are? |
| 23:36.51 | Winny | ask the map authour |
| 23:36.57 | Winny | or sometimes its in the post. |
| 23:37.23 | neutronix7 | doesnt it have to be posted somewhere though? |
| 23:37.24 | JeffM | most if not all of them on the fourms should be some format of open license |
| 23:37.26 | neutronix7 | in the code? |
| 23:37.29 | JeffM | no it dosn't |
| 23:37.41 | JeffM | if it's not open for any use, then we don't allow it to be posted on the froums. |
| 23:37.42 | neutronix7 | i mean how about conspicuously posted? |
| 23:37.47 | neutronix7 | i gotcha |
| 23:37.52 | Winny | neutronix7: for example, I release under this: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/ |
| 23:37.56 | JeffM | we don't tell people what to put in ther emaps |
| 23:38.11 | JeffM | and there is no law that states they ahve to do otherwise |
| 23:38.33 | JeffM | all posting the license does is help the author defend their rights if they have to |
| 23:38.59 | neutronix7 | what if you take something like a block from one? |
| 23:39.11 | neutronix7 | couldnt someone say that forming a block is pretty ubiquitous? |
| 23:39.12 | Winny | neutronix7: depends on the lisence. |
| 23:39.14 | JeffM | legaly tha'ts between you and the author |
| 23:39.23 | JeffM | if they have a license, then it's up to the license |
| 23:39.25 | Winny | once again, http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/ disallows it |
| 23:39.32 | JeffM | if they don't then it's up to them to do something if they want to. |
| 23:39.33 | Winny | which is what I think spazzy operates under |
| 23:39.36 | neutronix7 | because if that's the case couldnt i go and copyright a pyramid? |
| 23:39.44 | JeffM | neutronix7, you could |
| 23:39.50 | JeffM | it would just be very had to defend |
| 23:39.54 | neutronix7 | how about enforcing it though? |
| 23:39.59 | JeffM | that's the trick |
| 23:40.04 | JeffM | no court would see your case |
| 23:40.15 | neutronix7 | pretty much like here |
| 23:40.21 | neutronix7 | even taking someone's map |
| 23:40.22 | Winny | JeffM: you could contatc their ISP |
| 23:40.24 | JeffM | it's genearly bad form to steal |
| 23:40.30 | neutronix7 | yeah i think so too |
| 23:40.31 | JeffM | it's best to ask |
| 23:40.34 | neutronix7 | it never pays |
| 23:40.36 | Winny | by ISP I mean the hoster of the server. |
| 23:40.46 | spldart | There has never been a case ever attempted with a bzflag map or even with the bz code itself in the history of bz has there? |
| 23:40.52 | JeffM | that'd be a tough one, if the other person fought back ;) |
| 23:41.06 | neutronix7 | there would have to be damages proven though |
| 23:41.08 | JeffM | spldart, not in open source times |
| 23:41.15 | JeffM | neutronix7, no there would not |
| 23:41.19 | Winny | spldart: not really, but boxywar has a cease and desist put out. |
| 23:41.26 | JeffM | damages just make it easier to procecute. |
| 23:41.59 | spldart | No way... a court ordered cease and desist? |
| 23:42.09 | JeffM | just because you ddin't make money off of what you stole, dosn't mean it isn't copyright. |
| 23:42.16 | Winny | spldart: no |
| 23:42.25 | spldart | ic |
| 23:42.27 | Winny | someone sent a c&d |
| 23:42.31 | JeffM | did they abide by it? |
| 23:42.48 | a_meteorite | ? |
| 23:42.50 | AWOSLappy | yeah |
| 23:42.55 | AWOSLappy | he pasted his letter on #AWOS :p |
| 23:43.03 | neutronix7 | yeah i think that's in bad taste |
| 23:43.11 | neutronix7 | anyone that would steal someone's map is a jerk |
| 23:43.17 | JeffM | it's also in bad taste to hoard your maps |
| 23:43.24 | Winny | you just spent 50$ on stolen maps. |
| 23:43.30 | neutronix7 | yeah i definitely dont want to do that either |
| 23:43.38 | neutronix7 | which ones Winny |
| 23:43.42 | a_meteorite | I am good at hoarding, and have fun sending c&d's |
| 23:43.48 | JeffM | Winny, no he sent a man 50$ and got a bunch of content he coudl have goten for free :) |
| 23:44.04 | neutronix7 | Winny: those maps were all his |
| 23:44.13 | neutronix7 | Winny: i cant find any one like them anywhere |
| 23:44.14 | JeffM | a_meteorite, dosn't mean it's in good taste. |
| 23:44.23 | Winny | thats what he told you, eh? |
| 23:44.25 | neutronix7 | spldart: mine too |
| 23:44.31 | a_meteorite | JeffM: what? sending c&d's? or stealing maps? |
| 23:44.32 | neutronix7 | ive yet to host a map i made |
| 23:44.33 | JeffM | neutronix7, he modified many of them. |
| 23:44.42 | neutronix7 | JeffM: which ones? |
| 23:44.42 | JeffM | a_meteorite, horading. |
| 23:44.56 | a_meteorite | yeah, pythonian dude stole boxy war once. that was fun sending him c&d's (which he ignored mostly). |
| 23:44.57 | Winny | yeah, its like a guy that comes and adds 2 objects to a map, and calls it "his" |
| 23:44.59 | JeffM | neutronix7, dunno, maybe you should list them on a page so people can review them |
| 23:45.10 | neutronix7 | yeah i think that would be a good idea |
| 23:45.10 | a_meteorite | he added like corners and made the center all weird and called it his |
| 23:45.11 | neutronix7 | but |
| 23:45.31 | JeffM | how was boxy war licensed then? |
| 23:45.37 | neutronix7 | i wonder if people would come by and say they were his/hers |
| 23:45.41 | neutronix7 | just for spite |
| 23:45.42 | spldart | neutronix7> best one of mine was wartowers.. not cuz of special models of textures but cuz I really worked towards playability |
| 23:45.55 | spldart | But it was mediocre... |
| 23:45.56 | neutronix7 | spldart: yeah i think those like that are the best |
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| 23:45.58 | Winny | neutronix7: many people did. He just ignored/banned them. |
| 23:46.03 | a_meteorite | JeffM: fully closed-source, copyrighted. |
| 23:46.17 | JeffM | a_meteorite, and where did you display that license? |
| 23:46.21 | neutronix7 | a_meteorite: do you ever serve it up? |
| 23:46.23 | a_meteorite | yeah, I got banned many a times by him, I also enjoyed getting around them with my large, sometimes, class A dynamic IP |
| 23:46.38 | a_meteorite | neutronix7: yes, I own boxy war.. |
| 23:46.47 | neutronix7 | is it plahying anywhere now? |
| 23:46.53 | neutronix7 | id like to check it out if i cold |
| 23:46.55 | neutronix7 | could |
| 23:46.58 | CBG | I started the "war" against pythonian. I pollbanned his bots many times. |
| 23:47.36 | neutronix7 | yeah they can be |
| 23:47.47 | neutronix7 | definitely |
| 23:47.56 | Winny | yeah they are* |
| 23:48.11 | tannerld | *always |
| 23:48.23 | neutronix7 | so be it |
| 23:48.24 | JeffM | they are not anoying on private servers ;) |
| 23:48.31 | spldart | heh |
| 23:48.44 | a_meteorite | CBG: the even funner part was he TOLD us too, then banned us for it :D |
| 23:48.45 | JeffM | that simply makes them mostly anoying. |
| 23:49.12 | JeffM | you of all people know that a server owner can ban for whatever they want |
| 23:49.13 | neutronix7 | did you guys play there much? |
| 23:49.27 | CBG | Nope. |
| 23:49.35 | rtfm | neutronix7: only when there were bots to be poll banned |
| 23:49.36 | a_meteorite | JeffM: of course, but it was really hilarious to see him ban us for something he told us to do |
| 23:49.38 | neutronix7 | why did you care if he banned you? |
| 23:49.38 | CBG | I only ever saw noobs and munchkins there... an bots. |
| 23:49.40 | CBG | and* |
| 23:49.48 | bryjen | everyone has the right to be an !@#hat in their own home/server |
| 23:49.55 | JeffM | a_meteorite, not really, it's called falling into the troll's trap |
| 23:50.04 | JeffM | and we know your good at that |
| 23:50.06 | neutronix7 | bryjen: yeah but sometimes people can abuse that right eh? |
| 23:50.06 | a_meteorite | we did it about 5 times before he did anything ;) |
| 23:51.06 | bryjen | eh, maybe. |
| 23:51.27 | neutronix7 | i like to run the bots when no one is there just in case i might want to come in and play target shooting |
| 23:51.42 | neutronix7 | but i can definitely understand it if it takes away from your server being listed |
| 23:51.52 | neutronix7 | that isnt fair |
| 23:52.06 | JeffM | 2.2 will not list bots and observers. |
| 23:52.13 | spldart | Excellent |
| 23:52.17 | neutronix7 | that would be cool |
| 23:52.20 | Winny | JeffM: \o/ |
| 23:52.25 | neutronix7 | i wonder if there is any way to turn that off now? |
| 23:52.25 | a_meteorite | about time |
| 23:52.31 | JeffM | that's been in for ages |
| 23:52.34 | neutronix7 | so it doesnt report bots as players? |
| 23:52.34 | JeffM | like last year |
| 23:52.40 | JeffM | not to the list counts |
| 23:52.41 | bryjen | it just pushes the servers with more "real" players down the list. mostly a problem that most people are lazy and only look at the first page. |
| 23:52.54 | neutronix7 | well people are people unfortunately |
| 23:53.10 | neutronix7 | so when is 2.2 expected to be out? |
| 23:53.11 | spldart | Ooo.. can I borrow that for a witty quote |
| 23:53.13 | neutronix7 | ballpark |
| 23:53.16 | spldart | J/K |
| 23:53.16 | tannerld | neutronix7: when its done :P |
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| 23:53.26 | neutronix7 | yeah i know i know |
| 23:53.26 | bryjen | no, that's good. if they were dogs, they wouldn't have thumbs and couldn't play :P |
| 23:53.29 | neutronix7 | but im just asking |
| 23:53.34 | neutronix7 | lol |
| 23:53.39 | rtfm | it's scheduled for Q3 2010 |
| 23:53.40 | neutronix7 | @ bryjen |
| 23:53.44 | neutronix7 | what????? |
| 23:53.49 | neutronix7 | that's too far away |
| 23:53.51 | rtfm | </sarcasm> |
| 23:53.55 | spldart | LOL |
| 23:53.55 | neutronix7 | ok |
| 23:53.58 | Winny | rofl |
| 23:54.17 | bryjen | rtfm: naaaw, 5th quarter, next year |
| 23:54.19 | CBG | Q3? I heard Q2... |
| 23:54.25 | CBG | not a delay....! :( noooooooooooo |
| 23:54.33 | rtfm | and the patch that makes it actually work will be Q1 2011 |
| 23:54.34 | spldart | Maybe when XP SP3 comes out |
| 23:54.41 | JeffM | damn, I can never remember what 2 files to I edit to add a plug-in |
| 23:54.47 | JeffM | the makefile in the plugins dir |
| 23:54.48 | rtfm | spldart: more like Vista SP3 |
| 23:54.49 | JeffM | and what else? |
| 23:54.56 | spldart | lol |
| 23:55.07 | rtfm | JeffM: configure.ac, in the root |
| 23:55.31 | JeffM | where? |
| 23:55.58 | JeffM | I don't see a list in there at all |
| 23:56.14 | JeffM | ahh root of plugins |
| 23:58.10 | bryjen | * JeffM is now know as TheRootOfAllPlugIns |
| 23:58.21 | bryjen | bah |
| 23:58.27 | bryjen | s/know/known/ |
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