| 00:09.45 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03judecn * r15649 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (29 files in 13 dirs): Removed a TON of variable shadowing. |
| 00:10.02 | jude- | indeed |
| 00:10.12 | awilcox | welcome back :) |
| 00:10.22 | jude- | it's good to be back :) |
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| 00:17.40 | tannerld | jude-: hey, ya fixed it :) |
| 00:17.42 | tannerld | ~jude-++ |
| 00:18.00 | jude- | tannerld: not completely...grouping doesn't work properly yet |
| 00:18.28 | tannerld | jude-: well, I can't give you half a point of karma :P |
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| 00:20.47 | spldart | oK... every even day is ++ and other odd day is --- |
| 00:21.19 | tannerld | zee502: ? |
| 00:23.26 | rtfm | hello zee502, what can we do for you? |
| 00:23.38 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03judecn * r15650 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (5 files in 5 dirs): More variable shadowing fixes; grouping works again (broke due to variable shadowing). |
| 00:24.17 | jude- | this is just in general: PLEASE do NOT commit code unless YOU have ALREADY TRIED it and it WORKS |
| 00:24.56 | tannerld | heh |
| 00:26.17 | spldart | Nuke the code infidel! |
| 00:27.01 | jude- | I won't give names |
| 00:27.20 | jude- | those that want to know can check the commit logs |
| 00:29.16 | rtfm | ;) |
| 00:29.27 | donny_baker | jude-: works??? you mean as it testing :P |
| 00:29.46 | jude- | donny_baker: "works" ==> "works on your system when you build it" |
| 00:30.04 | jude- | i.e. doesn't crash, cause memory corruption, damages functionality, etc |
| 00:30.36 | L4m3r | jude-: blame Windows. |
| 00:30.54 | L4m3r | like this |
| 00:31.03 | L4m3r | see! I feel better! :P |
| 00:31.16 | jude- | hey! it *does* work :) |
| 00:31.19 | donny_baker | or you could shorten it to : |
| 00:31.30 | tannerld | donny_baker: lol |
| 00:31.32 | donny_baker | it's less characters :P |
| 00:31.48 | jude- | rtfm: why blame GNU/Linux? |
| 00:31.57 | rtfm | jude-: cuz I can :) |
| 00:32.02 | jude- | but Windows *deserves* it :) |
| 00:32.47 | rtfm | Windows will deserve it, when linux gets 1) a powerful photo/image suite, 2) an IDE as nice as Visual Studio, etc |
| 00:33.11 | L4m3r | Gimp is a powerful image suite |
| 00:33.15 | L4m3r | the interface just sucks :P |
| 00:33.25 | jude- | I'll take Eclipse any day |
| 00:33.49 | rtfm | L4m3r: that's like saying "Yeah, my car can go fast, it's just the gas pedal hits the floor too soon" |
| 00:34.06 | L4m3r | more like "I drive a souped-up Honda" |
| 00:34.11 | rtfm | heh |
| 00:34.31 | L4m3r | or "Yeah, I drive a porsche, but it's a salvage title covered in bondo" |
| 00:34.35 | jude- | now THEY deserve it :) |
| 00:34.58 | rtfm | jude-: Visual Studio is a nice system ;) |
| 00:35.07 | L4m3r | VS pwnz |
| 00:35.15 | L4m3r | if only it ran on an OS that didn't suck |
| 00:35.27 | rtfm | we killed jude-! oh noes! |
| 00:35.40 | rtfm | guess we CAN blame linux now |
| 00:35.48 | tannerld | Windows is shiny, but its just made of rocks |
| 00:35.52 | L4m3r | or comcast >_< |
| 00:36.02 | rtfm | L4m3r: nah, we'll blame linux |
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| 00:36.24 | tannerld | ~Winny+ |
| 00:36.25 | tannerld | yay |
| 00:36.27 | tannerld | jude is alive |
| 00:36.35 | Winny | only 1+? :/ |
| 00:36.37 | jude- | internet hiccuped |
| 00:36.37 | Winny | that does nothing. |
| 00:36.45 | L4m3r | jude-: comcast? |
| 00:36.48 | jude- | yup |
| 00:36.51 | jude- | comcrap |
| 00:36.52 | L4m3r | AHA! |
| 00:37.02 | tannerld | ~Winny+ |
| 00:37.04 | tannerld | ~Winny++ |
| 00:37.07 | L4m3r | blast007 blamed linux :P |
| 00:37.16 | Winny | there :P |
| 00:37.17 | rtfm | L4m3r: I alreayd knew he used comcast |
| 00:37.23 | rtfm | doesn't your client show that? |
| 00:37.29 | L4m3r | I didn't check |
| 00:37.34 | Winny | L4m3r!? how did you figure that out?! |
| 00:37.35 | L4m3r | I was referring to my issues :P |
| 00:37.37 | rtfm | no, I mean, in quit/join messages |
| 00:37.38 | Winny | maybe jude- (n=jude@c-68-84-206-92.hsd1.az.comcast.net) ? |
| 00:37.54 | jude- | my kingdom for an end to ISP/Telco corruption in the US |
| 00:38.01 | L4m3r | my dad's connection drops every few minutes |
| 00:38.17 | L4m3r | I can't use IRC at his place |
| 00:38.37 | Winny | L4m3r: at least your ISP doesn;t throttle BZ packets like miiine |
| 00:38.46 | jude- | ...so we can actually get decent internet for a decent price, instead of measly 3MBit peak download with arbitrarily unreliable connections |
| 00:38.48 | Winny | 10% loss everywhere |
| 00:39.08 | rtfm | Winny: fun... |
| 00:39.33 | Winny | rtfm: yes |
| 00:39.51 | L4m3r | mine just dies every few minutes |
| 00:40.04 | L4m3r | can't maintain a connection to IRC, bz... |
| 00:40.11 | L4m3r | web surfing is a pain |
| 00:40.33 | L4m3r | Comcast has come out four times, replaced the modem twice, and pretty much claims nothing is wrong |
| 00:41.00 | Winny | L4m3r: sounds like our isp |
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| 00:41.27 | jude- | sounds like all ISPs in the US |
| 00:41.40 | rtfm | my ISP is great |
| 00:41.50 | jude- | what do you use? |
| 00:41.57 | rtfm | Charter |
| 00:42.05 | rtfm | I haven't noticed any throttling |
| 00:42.12 | L4m3r | I liked Adelphia a lot |
| 00:42.37 | rtfm | I think the tech support has gone overseas now, but whatever |
| 00:42.43 | rtfm | I don't have that many problems |
| 00:42.56 | rtfm | I've had to call once |
| 00:43.02 | rtfm | and it turned out my modem had died |
| 00:43.14 | rtfm | s/had died/was dying/ |
| 00:43.25 | rtfm | heh |
| 00:43.27 | awilcox | DTRemenak: ping |
| 00:43.41 | jude- | rtfm: do they offer service in AZ? |
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| 00:46.20 | awilcox | L4m3r: my client prints -!- jude- [n=jude@c-68-84-206-92.hsd1.az.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] |
| 00:46.34 | L4m3r | heh |
| 00:46.36 | awilcox | L4m3r: I like Adelphia too |
| 00:46.53 | L4m3r | they were bought by Time Warner though |
| 00:47.12 | awilcox | nah, they were bought by comcrap here >_> |
| 00:47.33 | L4m3r | Comcast was also purchased by Time Warner :P |
| 00:47.43 | awilcox | L4m3r: :o |
| 00:47.52 | awilcox | I like Time Warner >_> |
| 00:48.00 | L4m3r | dunno why they haven't rebranded anything |
| 00:48.11 | awilcox | trust me. it's comcrap |
| 00:48.14 | jude- | they don't want their brand name soiled :) |
| 00:48.20 | awilcox | only comcrap would disconnect me every week |
| 00:48.23 | spldart | comcast bought timewarner here |
| 00:48.36 | spldart | and service went to poop |
| 00:48.44 | L4m3r | jude-: this is the company that had "AOL" in their name for years :P |
| 00:48.50 | spldart | I'm discontinuing them in a few weeks |
| 00:49.11 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r15651 10/trunk/web/submitimages/ (common.php includes/checktoken.php): |
| 00:49.11 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Assign the messages variable to Smarty |
| 00:49.11 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Small tweak to checktoken.php |
| 00:49.23 | jude- | L4m3r: the difference is that most of America thinks that AOL *is* the Internet :P |
| 00:49.45 | jude- | ~lart sheeple |
| 00:49.45 | ibot | eats sheeple and falls over dead |
| 00:51.22 | jude- | heh--"the internet is a series of tubes" |
| 00:51.50 | awilcox | YouTubes! |
| 00:52.02 | awilcox | The Internet is a series of YouTube videos. |
| 00:52.06 | awilcox | :p |
| 00:52.16 | jude- | ...according to Sen. Ted Stevens :P |
| 00:52.20 | Winny | togl |
| 00:52.22 | Winny | err |
| 00:52.23 | Winny | rofl. |
| 00:52.36 | spldart | Hrm.. tubes |
| 00:52.48 | spldart | thats what the govt sticks up our..... nvm |
| 00:53.16 | Winny | ...wallets? |
| 00:53.34 | spldart | Yeah...... Wallets..... that's what I meant |
| 00:53.40 | tannerld | exactly.... |
| 00:53.57 | rtfm | lol |
| 00:54.26 | Winny | they stick tubes up our asses and wallets at the SAME time! |
| 00:54.54 | spldart | heh |
| 00:54.57 | Winny | rump* |
| 00:55.14 | jude- | *bunghole |
| 00:55.23 | rtfm | *$^# |
| 00:55.33 | Winny | pooper |
| 00:55.41 | jude- | anux |
| 00:55.43 | jude- | *anus |
| 00:55.43 | spldart | chocolate starfish |
| 00:55.45 | rtfm | anyway..... |
| 00:55.46 | Winny | ROFL |
| 00:56.03 | jude- | lol |
| 00:56.04 | rtfm | sooooo.... BZFlag |
| 00:56.09 | rtfm | *ahem* |
| 00:56.21 | L4m3r | >bzflag |
| 00:56.26 | jude- | ~bzflag++ |
| 00:56.28 | L4m3r | oh wait, can't do that in this channel |
| 00:56.33 | Winny | ~karma BZFlag |
| 00:56.33 | ibot | bzflag has karma of 5 |
| 00:56.36 | Winny | hehe |
| 00:56.42 | Winny | ~karma Winny |
| 00:56.42 | ibot | winny has karma of 17 |
| 00:56.45 | spldart | :-) |
| 00:56.49 | Winny | I am better then you, BZFlag! :p |
| 00:56.52 | tannerld | ~karma Tanner |
| 00:56.52 | ibot | tanner has neutral karma |
| 00:56.56 | rtfm | Winny: I still win |
| 00:56.56 | tannerld | ~karma tannerld |
| 00:56.56 | ibot | tannerld has karma of 26 |
| 00:57.05 | jude- | ~karma rtfm |
| 00:57.05 | ibot | rtfm has karma of 2 |
| 00:57.05 | Winny | ~tannerld++ |
| 00:57.47 | Winny | ~karma SportChick |
| 00:57.47 | ibot | sportchick has karma of 531 |
| 00:57.47 | Winny | ... |
| 00:57.48 | tannerld | *crash* |
| 00:57.48 | rtfm | ~botpark |
| 00:57.48 | ibot | #BotPark is a channel for testing and talking to irc bots. Please do not talk to the bots too much in normal channels. You may msg them or talk in #BotPark |
| 00:57.48 | Winny | boomba |
| 00:58.06 | Winny | hmm, #BZPark |
| 00:58.25 | tannerld | #BZKillingAndAMovie |
| 00:58.42 | Winny | LOL I can't join any more channels |
| 00:58.49 | Winny | oh man... |
| 00:58.53 | Winny | what can I leave... |
| 00:58.59 | tannerld | how many do you have? |
| 00:59.14 | Winny | 20 |
| 01:15.19 | jude- | bzfx seems to have a cheater |
| 01:15.30 | jude- | looks like overdrive + superbullet |
| 01:15.34 | Winny | coming |
| 01:15.40 | Winny | who was it? |
| 01:15.44 | jude- | eeeek |
| 01:15.45 | jude- | IIRC |
| 01:15.56 | JeffM | what? a cheater in bzflag. NEVER! |
| 01:16.01 | jude- | lol |
| 01:16.10 | Winny | jude-: ? |
| 01:16.17 | Winny | what was his name? |
| 01:16.19 | jude- | "eeek" |
| 01:16.30 | tannerld | lol |
| 01:16.32 | jude- | his name was eeek |
| 01:16.33 | jude- | lol |
| 01:16.44 | Winny | not there anymore :P |
| 01:16.47 | Winny | eeeek |
| 01:16.49 | jude- | lol |
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| 01:25.06 | jude- | false alarm :/ |
| 01:25.47 | tannerld | pity |
| 01:28.35 | JeffM | so blast, will your new image submiter have per user or per IP bans? :) |
| 01:30.34 | JeffM | and just so all you image submiter aproval people, lets just not approve anything for ipants for a bit, he dosn't seem to get it. |
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| 01:35.02 | JeffMMain | yay for brownouts |
| 01:35.20 | jude- | storm? |
| 01:35.26 | JeffMMain | I wish |
| 01:35.44 | JeffMMain | california in the late summer ;) |
| 01:35.53 | JeffMMain | ibot weather klax |
| 01:36.08 | JeffMMain | yay it went down |
| 01:36.32 | tannerld | ibot weather klzu |
| 01:39.24 | jude- | 47% humidity? yuck! |
| 01:40.06 | JeffMMain | I think it was 114 in the valley today |
| 01:40.17 | JeffMMain | was 95 when I just mowed the lawn |
| 01:40.23 | jude- | dang |
| 01:40.32 | jude- | 114 with 47% humidity? |
| 01:40.33 | JeffMMain | it's normal for this time of year |
| 01:40.35 | JeffMMain | yeah |
| 01:40.40 | jude- | sounds painful |
| 01:41.13 | tannerld | jude-: even more painful in a single engine plane with no a/c :P |
| 01:41.22 | jude- | roll down the window :) |
| 01:42.13 | tannerld | our window is only a 2inx3in flap |
| 01:42.18 | rtfm | JeffMMain: heh, yeah, planning on a ban system for it ;) |
| 01:42.30 | rtfm | already have an IP field for the queue database |
| 01:44.00 | jude- | then remove the wind shield :) |
| 02:04.12 | JeffMMain | should do username too |
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| 02:13.12 | blast007 | JeffMMain: |
| 02:13.19 | blast007 | I'm storing bzid too |
| 02:13.23 | JeffMMain | cool |
| 02:13.31 | JeffMMain | then all is well :) |
| 02:14.25 | JeffM | I just don't know what ipant's beef with apple is, but we ain't here to help him spout it. |
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| 02:40.50 | L4m3r | I told him that, but he ain't buying it |
| 02:42.41 | blast007 | if he keeps it up, I can quite easily hardcode a ban into the current system |
| 02:45.33 | Macrosoft | blast007: maybe you should hardcode your fist into his face |
| 02:48.13 | Winny | ipants? |
| 02:50.28 | Macrosoft | heh, theres an oxymoron: "Nmap from an _ethical hacker's_ point of view" |
| 02:50.41 | L4m3r | not really |
| 02:50.55 | L4m3r | technically, malicious hackers should be called "crackers" |
| 02:51.05 | L4m3r | but the media is too stupid to catch on |
| 02:51.21 | JeffM | if he requests any more images let me know. |
| 02:51.26 | brlcad | and it sounds too much like a white boy insult |
| 02:51.33 | L4m3r | lol |
| 02:51.45 | JeffM | Cracker McWhitey at your service |
| 02:52.03 | L4m3r | the one with a picture of a cracker on it, that says "CRACKER" |
| 02:52.16 | Macrosoft | oh noez: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/02/1310234 |
| 02:54.57 | blast007 | brlcad: CSS is fun! |
| 02:56.04 | Macrosoft | the bzbb isnt very cell-phone browser friendly. i ound that out on my lunchbreak |
| 02:56.11 | Macrosoft | *found |
| 02:56.45 | blast007 | Macrosoft: yeah, probably not |
| 02:56.52 | blast007 | most of the Internet isn't very cell phone friendly |
| 02:57.07 | tannerld | most of the cell phones aren't user friendly |
| 02:57.11 | blast007 | hehe |
| 02:58.35 | Macrosoft | it tries to reaarange things on the page to make them fit, which makes for a lot of work to get to the desired part of the page |
| 02:59.04 | tannerld | Macrosoft: well, it is a 1in~ screen |
| 02:59.38 | Macrosoft | but overall, $1 for 0.5MB of bandwith for a day isnt such a bad deal |
| 03:00.26 | blast007 | Macrosoft: eventually I'll have some BZFlag web services for mobile phones :) |
| 03:00.41 | Macrosoft | yay |
| 03:02.13 | tannerld | Send "join bz.bz.org" for $2 |
| 03:02.34 | blast007 | tannerld: heh... |
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| 03:41.29 | brlcad | blast007: yeah, so is shoveling snow |
| 03:43.11 | Macrosoft | ? |
| 03:44.04 | Macrosoft | oh noez! sept 2? only 16 days left |
| 03:44.46 | brlcad | depends on your cell phone too, looks and works great (i.e. the same) on my iphone :) |
| 03:45.08 | Macrosoft | brlcad: ? |
| 03:45.30 | brlcad | if you're going to ask a question, ask the question |
| 03:45.38 | brlcad | if you're confused, then maybe I wasn't talking to you |
| 03:45.56 | tannerld | brlcad: you have a iphone? |
| 03:46.05 | brlcad | yeah |
| 03:46.12 | tannerld | neat :) |
| 03:46.14 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r15652 10/trunk/web/submitimages/ (bztheme.css templates/upload.tpl upload.php): Start the upload form. |
| 03:46.24 | brlcad | it is quite a nifty lil device |
| 03:46.31 | brlcad | not better than sliced bread, but nifty |
| 03:46.36 | tannerld | lol |
| 03:47.04 | Macrosoft | id rather have the reverse engineered one, iclone |
| 03:47.32 | tannerld | Macrosoft: made in china/japan with a totally confusing user interface? nah. :P |
| 03:47.48 | brlcad | the touch interface and complete integration of the apps (with one another and with your computer) is one of the best parts of the phone, along with the usability |
| 03:48.54 | brlcad | "feature-wise", my old samsung did 'most' of what this phone does (and it cost me an arm and a leg to get it), but the usability is sheer night and day |
| 03:49.04 | Macrosoft | brlcad: http://www.popsci.com/popsci/technology/e7e48a137b144110vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html |
| 03:50.12 | brlcad | yes, and? |
| 03:50.14 | tannerld | the only thing I could see myself missing is the ability to send photos in sms (but I don't do that too much alhtough it is nice to be able to) |
| 03:50.24 | brlcad | the phone would still lack end-to-end integration, that's a major usability factor |
| 03:56.00 | rtfm | L4m3r: we used to have one of those |
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| 04:33.34 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r15653 10/trunk/web/submitimages/ (bztheme.css templates/upload.tpl): Tweak the upload form and CSS. |
| 04:48.55 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r15654 10/trunk/web/submitimages/ (bztheme.css templates/header.tpl templates/upload.tpl): Fix some HTML errors and CSS warnings |
| 04:54.14 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r15655 10/trunk/web/submitimages/templates/upload.tpl: Add an "Uploader Information" section |
| 05:21.48 | ViciousM | did you wait in line for days? ;) |
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| 06:03.28 | brlcad | nope, waited a few days and then picked one up |
| 06:04.54 | brlcad | even then, I did end up calling almost every at&t and apple store in about a 50 mile radius, until I found a place that had (exactly) one in stock |
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| 06:45.07 | Legolas_ | hey guys |
| 06:45.32 | Legolas_ | For Teppic I am zipping up a copy of blender with bzwtools installed |
| 06:45.48 | Legolas_ | are there any macguys out there (intel mac) who would like to test it out? |
| 06:46.00 | Legolas_ | I am working on the PPC version now. |
| 06:47.56 | lepoulpe303 | hi all |
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| 06:48.45 | Legolas_ | hey |
| 06:48.51 | Legolas_ | lepou, you on a mac or windows? |
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| 06:51.14 | Legolas_ | agh, I do not know what happened there |
| 06:51.34 | lepoulpe303 | Legolas_: perhaps you use windows, like me ;) |
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| 07:00.01 | awilcox | game:start |
| 07:00.06 | awilcox | Oops, wrong window. |
| 07:00.10 | TutTankAhmon | lol |
| 07:00.19 | TutTankAhmon | window:change |
| 07:00.35 | awilcox | hehe |
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| 09:53.46 | TutTankAhmon | brlcad: ping ? |
| 09:56.15 | brlcad | TutTankAhmon: pong? |
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| 13:33.37 | spldart | riddle me this riddle me that... Rig: Old socket A with 1.2ghz athlon, Debian 4.0 up to date and 9800pro agp card... BZFlag works fine: 2.0.x ver... I change to a GeForce 6200 and build modules available through debian to get nvidia with glx loaded up.... BZFlag client hangs with black screen and a few words of white text lower center right. Can't close it or nothing |
| 13:36.07 | Winny | it loooves you |
| 13:36.54 | spldart | yep.... but having to switch to windows just cuz I wanna frag some tanks kinda suxors |
| 13:45.36 | spldart | I guess everybody is out doin labor day things and stuff |
| 13:45.42 | spldart | :-) |
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| 15:29.57 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r15656 10/trunk/web/submitimages/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Add some JavaScript form interaction to the upload page |
| 15:31.39 | Winny | ooh, jabascript |
| 15:34.10 | Epyon | jabbascript :P |
| 15:39.02 | rtfm | <script type="text/jawascript" src="sandcrawler.js"></script> |
| 15:49.02 | rtfm | brlcad: so are we allowing Creative Commons licenses for the image uploader? |
| 15:53.52 | brlcad | CC-by and CC-by-sa |
| 15:55.37 | rtfm | k |
| 15:56.52 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r15657 10/trunk/web/submitimages/ (templates/upload.tpl upload.js): |
| 15:56.52 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Hide the licenses input elements when they have picked a license from the list |
| 15:56.52 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Add a spot for a license URL. |
| 15:59.19 | rtfm | besides LGPL, which OSI-approved licenses should I provide as a built-in choice? |
| 15:59.21 | rtfm | MIT? |
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| 16:18.16 | brlcad | BSD |
| 16:18.36 | brlcad | maybe write it Revised BSD/MIT |
| 16:20.01 | Epyon | MPL? |
| 16:25.43 | brlcad | i'd keep the list minimal, otherwise list them all like sourceforge |
| 16:26.34 | brlcad | LGPL, BSD/MIT, CC-by, CC-by-sa, public domain |
| 16:26.51 | rtfm | BSD/MIT being a single item? |
| 16:27.49 | brlcad | yeah |
| 16:27.52 | rtfm | k |
| 16:29.40 | rtfm | do I need to specify multiple versions for LGPL? (2.1 vs 3) |
| 16:29.51 | brlcad | i don't think so |
| 16:30.51 | rtfm | k |
| 16:42.06 | rtfm | http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/ Which one would be |
| 16:42.11 | rtfm | "BSD/MIT" ? |
| 16:42.55 | rtfm | I see two that mention MIT (Expat and X11) |
| 16:43.12 | rtfm | is "Modified BSD license" the one that "BSD/MIT" refers to? |
| 16:50.27 | gsnedders | 2 clause BSD license and MIT license are different, but they grant the exact same rights |
| 16:50.27 | gsnedders | the MIT license was written as parts of the BSD license are irrelevant with the Berne Convention |
| 16:50.33 | gsnedders | well, not irrelevant, just unneeded |
| 16:53.01 | ruskie | X11 is also split: XCL(I think mostly the original MIT) and the xfree86 license(some advertising) |
| 16:53.01 | Epyon | Open source would be much easier if there'd be one licence and people didn't waste time on discussing all of them and legal problems with them xP |
| 16:53.14 | ruskie | Epyon, there is... GPL :) but ppl for one reason or another don't want to use it :) |
| 16:53.29 | Epyon | ruskie, for myself GPL is to restrictive :P |
| 16:53.35 | Epyon | I much prefer LGPL :P |
| 16:53.48 | brlcad | GPL has plenty of problems, especially for particular situations |
| 16:53.58 | ruskie | like? |
| 16:54.23 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r15658 10/trunk/web/submitimages/ (config.php.example templates/upload.tpl): Add licenses to the configuration file with URLs. Use that config variable to generate the drop-down list on the upload form. |
| 16:55.32 | ruskie | I'm curious... |
| 16:55.32 | ruskie | personaly I like GPL and put near everything under it I write... |
| 16:56.08 | brlcad | rtfm: I'd just refer to it as the "BSD" license or BSD/MIT/X11 or BSD/MIT .. no sense getting picky about it -- hardly anyone uses the 4-clause any more, and Berkeley gave a blanket revocation of the 4th clause to anyone using it |
| 16:56.15 | rtfm | hmm, so what should I like to for BSD/MIT? |
| 16:56.23 | rtfm | link* |
| 16:56.39 | rtfm | that's my main question |
| 16:56.43 | brlcad | http://opensource.org/licenses/bsd-license.php |
| 16:56.50 | rtfm | ok |
| 16:58.46 | rtfm | and is there technically any written license for "Public Domain"? |
| 16:58.46 | ruskie | no |
| 16:58.46 | rtfm | k |
| 16:58.49 | ruskie | though check the fsf license lab I think they have some text you might be able to use |
| 16:59.24 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r15659 10/trunk/web/submitimages/config.php.example: Add URL for BSD license |
| 17:00.18 | ruskie | hmm when did I get +v around here... |
| 17:00.22 | brlcad | rtfm: either http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_domain or http://creativecommons.org/licenses/publicdomain/ will work for PD |
| 17:00.42 | Epyon | ruskie, why don't I have one -_- |
| 17:00.56 | brlcad | probably the latter since it's brief |
| 17:01.53 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r15660 10/trunk/web/submitimages/config.php.example: Creative Commons URL for Public Domain |
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| 17:03.50 | rtfm | brlcad: plus it's shiny ;) |
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| 17:05.36 | Winny | wait, where is shiny? |
| 17:05.44 | Winny | likes, even |
| 17:06.22 | tannerld | heh |
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| 17:13.37 | Legolas_ | Has anyone seen a teppic? |
| 17:14.03 | rtfm | there's more than one? |
| 17:14.16 | rtfm | ;) |
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| 17:28.16 | Archangel_13 | Should mg fire quicker when the frame rate is higher? I have a nvidia card and when dis/enabling sync to vblank there is a noticable difference in the speed the shots are fired at. |
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| 17:33.08 | JeffM | if your earlyer frame rate was below the MG fire time, it can slow it down. |
| 17:33.40 | JeffM | if MG says to fire the shots 30 times a second, and your FPS is 15, then it can't fire more then one shot per frame. |
| 17:33.55 | JeffM | so going to 30fps will make your MG fire faster |
| 17:34.02 | JeffM | but going to 60 won't make it more faster |
| 17:37.21 | Archangel_13 | the lower frame rate is 60, with vblank disabled it goes to around 750 and the mg shots happen almost at once. |
| 17:39.09 | Archangel_13 | My issue is, should the time between mg shots be constant (and equal to everyone) or as quick as can be processed. |
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| 17:43.20 | JeffM | the max time should be yes |
| 17:43.31 | JeffM | the code won't shoot more then one shot a frame |
| 17:43.44 | JeffM | so if your frame rate is below the max it won't work right |
| 17:43.52 | JeffM | depends on how fast the server has it set too |
| 17:45.04 | Tupone | Winny: still problems with bzfs 2.0.9 ? |
| 17:45.52 | Winny | Tupone: I havent had BZFS running for the past few days to see if it was BZFS that was crashing my server... |
| 17:46.00 | Winny | it seems to be stable now that Im not running BZFS |
| 17:46.13 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r15661 10/trunk/web/submitimages/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Add "View" button for license drop-down |
| 17:48.01 | Tupone | So bzfs was "crashing" your server ? |
| 17:48.01 | Winny | so far it appears to of been BZFS. |
| 17:48.31 | Tupone | what actually did? The machine reboot, halt or what? |
| 17:48.43 | Tupone | and is that .. Linux? |
| 17:49.22 | Winny | the whole machine would shut down (VPS), Debian Linux |
| 17:50.08 | rtfm | I think I asked before, but I forgot: Just your VPS, or the entire physical server running all VPS systems? |
| 17:50.17 | Winny | just the VPS |
| 17:50.49 | Tupone | do you have any plugin installed with that? |
| 17:50.56 | Tupone | s/installed/used/ |
| 17:50.59 | rtfm | recordmatch |
| 17:51.45 | Tupone | I wonder if that is a huge use of memory. |
| 17:52.20 | rtfm | hmm |
| 17:52.28 | rtfm | Winny: what is your -recbuf set to? |
| 17:52.38 | Winny | Don't use one |
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| 17:52.41 | rtfm | ok |
| 17:52.57 | rtfm | but yeah, Tupone has a good question |
| 17:53.08 | Tupone | What is VPS? is something like XEN or VMWARE |
| 17:53.35 | Winny | yeah, Xen |
| 17:54.16 | Tupone | Maybe you can try giving it more memory .. maybe |
| 17:54.21 | Saturos | hello everyone && ping CBG |
| 17:54.36 | Winny | Tupone: ok |
| 17:55.17 | rtfm | Tupone: he doesn't own the physical server, so he'd have to pay more for extra RAM |
| 17:55.27 | Tupone | ahh ok, then no :) |
| 17:55.36 | CBG | Saturos: heey!! pong :) |
| 17:56.20 | Tupone | I don't know if there are tool to analyze the xen post mortem dump |
| 17:56.36 | Epyon | rtfm, the Login link is broken? :) |
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| 17:57.08 | rtfm | Epyon: should actually work now, though I didn't try recently |
| 17:57.22 | rtfm | I should probably update that code too |
| 17:57.23 | Epyon | rtfm, it points to http://images.bzexcess.com/submitimages/login.php?token=%TOKEN%&callsign=%USERNAME% |
| 17:57.35 | Epyon | And I get : |
| 17:57.36 | Epyon | Warning: file_get_contents(http://my.bzflag.org/db/?action=CHECKTOKENS&checktokens=%25USERNAME%25%3D%TOKEN%&groups=site.imageauth) [function.file-get-contents]: failed to open stream: HTTP request failed! HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden in /usr/www/images.bzexcess.com/submitimages/includes/checktoken.php on line 49 |
| 17:57.46 | rtfm | o.O |
| 17:57.48 | Epyon | And : |
| 17:57.49 | Epyon | Navigation: |
| 17:57.49 | Epyon | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:57.49 | Epyon | , you have been successfully logged in. |
| 17:59.25 | rtfm | well, in any case, you're doing something wrong |
| 17:59.41 | rtfm | are you actually using the "Log In" link on my page? |
| 17:59.47 | rtfm | I just logged in fine |
| 18:00.50 | Tupone | rtfm: just for curiosity: what f m you have t r? |
| 18:00.50 | rtfm | Tupone: heh.. |
| 18:00.50 | Epyon | should it point to http://images.bzexcess.com/submitimages/login.php?token=%TOKEN%&callsign=%USERNAME%? |
| 18:00.50 | Epyon | Literaly without the trailing ? |
| 18:01.03 | rtfm | Epyon: no, when you use the weblogin page, that replaces %TOKEN% and %USERNAME% |
| 18:01.20 | Epyon | weblogin? |
| 18:01.23 | rtfm | .. |
| 18:01.42 | Epyon | ?? |
| 18:01.42 | rtfm | go here: http://images.bzexcess.com/submitimages/ |
| 18:01.45 | rtfm | and click on Log In |
| 18:01.58 | rtfm | that takes you to a weblogin script, one that users your forum username and password |
| 18:02.00 | Epyon | That's what I'm doing -_- |
| 18:02.21 | Epyon | Aaaaaaaah |
| 18:02.22 | rtfm | once you complete that, it should go back to http://images.bzexcess.com/submitimages/login.php?token=3423423&callsign=Epyon |
| 18:02.26 | Epyon | My fault :D |
| 18:02.33 | rtfm | where "3423423" is your token |
| 18:02.45 | Epyon | I have a plugin in firefox that removes redirects :P |
| 18:02.51 | rtfm | heh.. |
| 18:03.08 | Epyon | Didn't notice it was a redirect |
| 18:05.21 | Epyon | Upload images points to "http://yourdomain.com/submitimages/upload.php" however :P |
| 18:05.21 | Epyon | lol, it's not 404 :D |
| 18:05.21 | blast007 | I just fixed that |
| 18:05.21 | blast007 | I svn up'ed and had to copy over my old config |
| 18:05.21 | Epyon | yep it's fixed :) |
| 18:05.25 | Epyon | "I agree that this image does not violate the Terms Of Service." <- Terms of Service should link to tos |
| 18:05.48 | rtfm | true |
| 18:06.32 | Epyon | Oh, and it would be funky to have just one upload field, and a JS script "Click to add another one" that reviels further upload fields |
| 18:07.09 | Epyon | And I think that GNU LGPL should be made default. |
| 18:07.21 | Epyon | Just my .02 eurocents :P |
| 18:08.24 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r15662 10/trunk/web/submitimages/ (bztheme.css templates/footer.tpl templates/upload.tpl): |
| 18:08.24 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Little padding around input and select. |
| 18:08.24 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Link to TOS for the "I Agree" checkboxes. |
| 18:08.54 | Epyon | ~rtfm++ |
| 18:13.41 | JeffM | creative commons share alike makes more sense then lgpl for images |
| 18:14.19 | Epyon | JeffM, but you agree that the textfield "other" is a bad default :P |
| 18:15.23 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r15663 10/trunk/web/submitimages/ (templates/header.tpl templates/upload.tpl upload.js): If possible, display the TOS in a popup to prevent leaving the upload page. |
| 18:16.02 | rtfm | Epyon: no, it's not a bad default, since they'll have to either pick the license, or type it in |
| 18:20.32 | JeffM | forour users, probalby |
| 18:20.46 | JeffM | if that forces them to do something, sweet |
| 18:20.52 | rtfm | :) |
| 18:21.11 | rtfm | (plus it's slightly easier to code for) |
| 18:23.56 | rtfm | hehe |
| 18:25.05 | rtfm | we could add a "Finders Keepers" license ;) |
| 18:25.19 | brlcad | that's actually not a bad default |
| 18:25.52 | brlcad | so anyone that says they stole/found it, it'd send them to an info page about the need to verify they have permission |
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| 18:26.49 | rtfm | hmm |
| 18:28.40 | brlcad | "I agree that this image does not violate the Terms Of Service." should probably link to the terms of service |
| 18:28.48 | rtfm | it does |
| 18:29.08 | rtfm | see the last two commits :) |
| 18:29.09 | brlcad | on the upload page? |
| 18:29.20 | rtfm | yeah |
| 18:30.20 | brlcad | hm, i'm on your server.. :) |
| 18:30.20 | rtfm | if you're looking at the live site, that's not updated |
| 18:30.20 | brlcad | k |
| 18:30.20 | rtfm | I'm working on my laptop ;) |
| 18:30.31 | tannerld | ~Winny++ |
| 18:30.39 | Winny | :) |
| 18:30.47 | rtfm | brlcad: should be there now |
| 18:31.19 | brlcad | got it |
| 18:33.15 | brlcad | looking good |
| 18:34.53 | brlcad | could use some better separation between the images .. maybe style sheet separate the grey at the hr's to let the background show, or put author info into the file info block, and/or make the sections collapsable |
| 18:35.45 | brlcad | though just making "other" the last and not the default will probably help |
| 18:36.36 | brlcad | comments box for the file might be useful if they want to leave the moderator a message |
| 18:37.55 | rtfm | k |
| 18:39.26 | tannerld | ~Winny++ |
| 18:43.32 | rtfm | is it okay to assume that if they have CSS they also can do JavaScript? ;) |
| 18:44.31 | JeffM | for the image submitter, sure |
| 18:49.52 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r15664 10/trunk/web/submitimages/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 18:49.52 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Make the default license show "I stole this" |
| 18:49.52 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Move "Other OSI-Approved" to the end |
| 18:49.52 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Basic start of form validation |
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| 19:40.08 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r15666 10/trunk/web/submitimages/ (bztheme.css templates/footer.tpl templates/header.tpl): slap the logo onto the bottom of the page |
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| 20:14.08 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Colorize any invalid data from the upload boxes |
| 20:14.08 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: If they used the license "I stole this", open a new window to permission.php |
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| 20:27.37 | brlcad | rtfm: you've probably already thought about it, but be sure to not rely solely on javascript validation .. if a user turns off javascript of just responds to the form submission directly passing unvalidated values |
| 20:27.58 | brlcad | only mention since that last commit looked like a bunch of client-side checks |
| 20:36.01 | rtfm | brlcad: right ;) |
| 20:37.15 | rtfm | I haven't even started processing the resulting data via PHP yet |
| 20:58.00 | brlcad | :) |
| 20:58.04 | gsnedders | you can trust the user at all? |
| 20:59.07 | daxxar | Only if you're holding a gun to his head. |
| 20:59.21 | gsnedders | nah, I wouldn't trust the user then. |
| 21:00.20 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r15668 10/trunk/web/submitimages/ (6 files in 2 dirs): New logo |
| 21:00.25 | L4m3r | javascript nothing... you just need to spoof the forms ;) |
| 21:00.48 | rtfm | L4m3r: the JS is just the first pass ;) |
| 21:00.49 | L4m3r | for years, vBulletin had no server-side check on custom title length |
| 21:01.10 | brlcad | grr [dmp] :) |
| 21:01.22 | rtfm | which is quite useful for an upload system.... the user would rather see an error before they upload 6MB of images |
| 21:01.29 | L4m3r | you could make yourself an uber-long title... and then they fixed the bug, so people who knew a long time ago have "grandfathered" titles no one else can have :P |
| 21:03.21 | rtfm | not overly happy with how the navigation looks now, so I'll probably fix that later |
| 21:03.22 | brlcad | rtfm: gamma correction on your new logo is off |
| 21:03.38 | rtfm | brlcad: yeah, I need to strip that value |
| 21:03.59 | rtfm | ~lart Photoshop |
| 21:03.59 | ibot | resizes Photoshop's terminal to 40x24 |
| 21:04.15 | brlcad | heh, that's not photoshop's fault ;) |
| 21:04.44 | rtfm | brlcad: it looks perfect in FF |
| 21:04.48 | brlcad | it has variou color correction levels for complete flexibility and correctness :) |
| 21:04.48 | rtfm | but off in IE |
| 21:04.56 | brlcad | FF's color correction is jacked |
| 21:04.59 | brlcad | it strips it |
| 21:05.09 | L4m3r | iirc IE has never handled PNGs right |
| 21:05.14 | rtfm | right, which is what I'll do to the actual file, strip the gamma chunk |
| 21:05.21 | brlcad | ie and safari render the curves correct/better |
| 21:05.42 | rtfm | is there a "correct" way to fix this? |
| 21:05.53 | rtfm | I used the exact hex color value in my gradient |
| 21:06.08 | brlcad | how'd you make the png? |
| 21:06.12 | brlcad | export or save as? |
| 21:06.18 | rtfm | save for web |
| 21:06.33 | brlcad | with adaptive? |
| 21:06.37 | rtfm | it's a PNG8, no transparency, no dither, 256 colors selected |
| 21:06.47 | rtfm | selective* |
| 21:08.24 | brlcad | hmm, then it sounds like you've not calibrated for rgb output |
| 21:10.41 | Winny | rtfm: do you know if there is a way to force a browser to reload an image ever page visit? |
| 21:10.41 | rtfm | Winny: modify the headers for the image |
| 21:10.41 | L4m3r | Winny: there is |
| 21:10.41 | Winny | been r-ingtrm for the last 30min and can;t find anything |
| 21:10.41 | Winny | r-ingtfm* |
| 21:10.46 | Winny | L4m3r: oh? |
| 21:10.48 | L4m3r | you can also use img.jpg?12345 |
| 21:10.54 | rtfm | Winny: you could pass it though a PHP script with cache control headers |
| 21:10.57 | L4m3r | and use php to randomize the number |
| 21:11.06 | Winny | hmm, ok |
| 21:11.29 | rtfm | L4m3r: however, then you fill their cache up with crap ;) |
| 21:11.39 | rtfm | Winny: what are you trying to do exactly? |
| 21:11.40 | brlcad | yeah, the image is #dedede on the edge, you've set the back to #ddd |
| 21:12.22 | Winny | rtfm: I have a PHP script running, that piks a random header, but since the header image is defined as the PHP script, the browser caches the image. |
| 21:12.24 | rtfm | brlcad: however, in photoshop itself, the image shows as #dddddd at the edge |
| 21:12.58 | rtfm | Winny: instead of making the PHP script read and write out the file, make it send a Location header to the right image file |
| 21:13.10 | brlcad | which is why I think your photoshop's not corrected for rgb |
| 21:13.13 | rtfm | then the browser will request the image file directly |
| 21:13.37 | Winny | no idea how to do that, but Il try |
| 21:13.39 | rtfm | brlcad: not sure what you mean exactly... Image > Mode shows RGB color and 8 Bits/Channel (something with that?) |
| 21:13.42 | brlcad | if you have it calibrated for print/cmyk, for example, or some other curve, it'll correct on export so that the values match the different color space |
| 21:14.08 | brlcad | since you're doing a safe to web, it's converting from "local-to-web" colorspace values |
| 21:14.12 | rtfm | Winny: header('Location: http://yoursite.com/images/header1.png'); exit; |
| 21:14.18 | brlcad | so if local isn't the same as web, you've got a problem |
| 21:14.39 | brlcad | if you do a save as, it'll stash the profile into the png, but then bloat it by like 2x |
| 21:15.03 | brlcad | so ideally, you calibrate .. check your values, and export to web |
| 21:15.29 | rtfm | brlcad: and a Save As saves it as PNG24, not PNG8 |
| 21:15.38 | brlcad | that too |
| 21:15.40 | rtfm | so it would be several times larger anyway |
| 21:15.49 | brlcad | but even as a png24, one has the profile, the other doesn't |
| 21:15.58 | brlcad | ends up being about 10% bigger |
| 21:16.35 | brlcad | at least, it has the colorspace profile if you leave the "embed color profile" checkbox enabled ;) |
| 21:17.13 | rtfm | the "ICC Profile" option? |
| 21:17.18 | brlcad | Edit -> Color Settings |
| 21:17.35 | brlcad | or could just try "convert to profile" |
| 21:17.54 | brlcad | if you do convert, what's your destination color space? |
| 21:18.45 | brlcad | of under color settings, what's your RGB working space |
| 21:18.52 | rtfm | Source is sRGB IEC61966-2.1 and Destination is Working CMYK - U.S. Web Coated (SWOP) v2 |
| 21:18.59 | brlcad | aha |
| 21:19.06 | brlcad | you don't want cmyk destination |
| 21:19.20 | rtfm | that's under "Convert to Profile" |
| 21:19.22 | brlcad | that'd be for print |
| 21:19.57 | brlcad | try an Assign Profile |
| 21:20.08 | brlcad | that should change it over and preserve the values you've picked |
| 21:20.11 | brlcad | (i think) |
| 21:20.29 | brlcad | convert would leave you with the result you see after the export |
| 21:20.53 | Winny | meh. good enough. It seems to pick a new header img if you come back after closing your browser. |
| 21:23.17 | daxxar | Good night, people. |
| 21:23.44 | Winny | night |
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