| 00:18.29 | blast007 | Epyon: here's the results of my mac build attempt: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/d915b1af |
| 00:18.34 | blast007 | OSX 10.4.9 |
| 00:19.33 | Constitution | blast007: I had to update bison to get bzwgen to work |
| 00:19.54 | blast007 | I suppose |
| 00:20.33 | CBG | I have the latest bison. no luck :( |
| 00:20.35 | AWOSLappy | lol "BZFlag Pastebin: Use it wisely." |
| 00:20.53 | CBG | I had that error a couple times, at one point, blast007 |
| 00:21.12 | Constitution | blast007: but that was when bison was first implemented... there may be another problem with the current version |
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| 00:34.30 | orthox | hey. is anyone interested in a phone to bzflag interface? |
| 00:35.41 | orthox | telephonic server administration... press 1 for the current player list, press 2 for the list of admins, press 3 to kick and 4 ro ban... |
| 00:35.43 | blast007 | orthox: like a mobile page? |
| 00:35.46 | blast007 | oh |
| 00:36.08 | orthox | a stupid, but doable thought that just crossed my mind |
| 00:36.29 | blast007 | eventual plan is to make a WAP and XHTML-MP page for server administration or stats |
| 00:36.36 | orthox | asterisk + agi + bzadmin or other |
| 00:36.43 | blast007 | heh |
| 00:36.49 | blast007 | asterisk is fun |
| 00:36.53 | orthox | i have a zork demo on my pbx |
| 00:37.00 | blast007 | I played with that in college |
| 00:37.01 | orthox | but that uses speech recognition ant tts |
| 00:37.23 | blast007 | set up an extension so that when you called it, it said "You have one, million, messages" |
| 00:37.54 | blast007 | another one just triggered an "intercom" |
| 00:38.19 | orthox | i have been thinking about setting up a game with various phone numbers and clues, etc... |
| 00:39.07 | orthox | asterisk is very cool |
| 00:59.35 | Winny | is there a way to run /flag reset unused automatically every 10min? |
| 00:59.51 | a_meteorite | Winny: a plugin |
| 01:00.02 | Winny | a_meteorite: ok |
| 01:00.23 | blast007 | BZF_API void bz_resetFlags ( bool onlyUnused ) |
| 01:01.06 | blast007 | BZF_API bool bz_resetFlag ( int flag ) |
| 01:01.14 | blast007 | BZF_API bool bz_moveFlag ( int flag, float pos[3] ) |
| 01:01.19 | blast007 | lots of flag stuff |
| 01:01.42 | JeffM | yay for documentation ;) |
| 01:02.00 | blast007 | documentation? I'm just looking at the .cxx file ;) |
| 01:02.09 | JeffM | the wiki actualy shows them all now ;) |
| 01:02.13 | blast007 | :) |
| 01:02.18 | JeffM | grouped by function |
| 01:02.39 | JeffM | heck it even documented that airspawn plug-in some kid was asking about ;) |
| 01:03.14 | JeffM | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Functions%28API%29#Flag_Management |
| 01:03.40 | JeffM | and heck, I even made pages for all those functions :) |
| 01:06.43 | Winny | Ill have to see if I can hack a plugin together with little/no C++ skills :p |
| 01:07.50 | JeffM | should not be hard |
| 01:07.54 | JeffM | just install the tick event |
| 01:08.03 | JeffM | save off the current time |
| 01:08.25 | JeffM | and then chekc the current time with the saved time, i its' been over 10 min, call the function, and update the saved time. |
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| 01:21.40 | CBG | blast007: tried anything else with bzwgen? |
| 01:22.27 | blast007 | nope |
| 01:23.17 | CBG | iirc, you had an old version of bison... can you check? |
| 01:25.10 | blast007 | I know I do |
| 01:25.22 | blast007 | think it was 1.28 |
| 01:25.45 | CBG | so, if you're not too busy, you could try to update that |
| 01:26.04 | blast007 | nah |
| 01:26.13 | CBG | heh |
| 01:26.24 | CBG | iirc, Epyon specified a newer version was needed |
| 01:26.46 | blast007 | yep |
| 01:27.39 | CBG | [2:50pm] <Epyon> hmm 1.28 might be too old |
| 01:27.41 | CBG | [2:54pm] <Epyon> Yep, 2.1 is required |
| 01:28.04 | JeffM | your modifying the language? |
| 01:28.05 | blast007 | he reduced it |
| 01:28.13 | blast007 | JeffM: no |
| 01:28.21 | blast007 | just trying to build bzwgen |
| 01:28.23 | CBG | JeffM: just trying to build bzwgen on tiger |
| 01:28.29 | blast007 | 'make' called bison |
| 01:28.31 | JeffM | he isn't including the generated files? |
| 01:28.32 | JeffM | oh |
| 01:28.34 | JeffM | that sucks |
| 01:28.47 | JeffM | the makefile shoudl have an option to use the ones in SVN |
| 01:29.03 | blast007 | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/d915b1af |
| 01:29.13 | blast007 | hmm |
| 01:29.26 | JeffM | I'm saying you should add it as na option. |
| 01:29.45 | JeffM | --bison_sucks |
| 01:30.28 | blast007 | JeffM: I know less about Makefiles than you do :) |
| 01:30.44 | JeffM | I woudn't be so sure about that ;) |
| 01:31.01 | JeffM | it can't be that complex, build a xcode proejct for it :) |
| 01:31.41 | blast007 | yeah, I'll get right on that |
| 01:31.44 | blast007 | ;) |
| 01:32.14 | CBG | *sigh*. the two gsoc projects I was looking forward too... can't get 'em to work :( |
| 01:32.33 | JeffM | dev platform of choice :) |
| 01:32.52 | JeffM | and hey' it's not like they are done |
| 01:33.11 | CBG | other people have built and used 'em |
| 01:33.33 | CBG | a fellow mac user even built bzwgen successfully just 2 days ago. |
| 01:33.37 | JeffM | just means they know more about the code in it's current point then you do |
| 01:33.51 | JeffM | the build systems for them are not well tweaked to be used by everyone |
| 01:33.58 | JeffM | hence the dependencies and all |
| 01:34.24 | JeffM | techincaly it shoudl have a configre step that detects bison, and then ether calls it, or uses the static files. |
| 01:34.36 | JeffM | that way it minimises the dependency issues |
| 01:35.01 | blast007 | the generated file isn't in SVN |
| 01:35.22 | JeffM | it better be |
| 01:35.27 | JeffM | windows uses it |
| 01:35.35 | JeffM | ahh, check the MSVC dir |
| 01:36.06 | JeffM | shoudl probably move that to src and have the genrated ones go into the root, and then have configure set what ones to use |
| 01:36.15 | JeffM | or maybe a lexer dir or soemthing |
| 01:37.04 | JeffM | if you want to force it to build now, just comment out the bison lines in the makefile and copy the static files from the MSVC dirs |
| 01:37.19 | blast007 | ah |
| 01:38.13 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: just wondering, have you figured out why bzwb+Win32!=PNG ? |
| 01:38.29 | blast007 | JeffM: doesn't work |
| 01:39.02 | JeffM | AWOSLappy,nope |
| 01:39.08 | JeffM | blast007, what does it do? |
| 01:39.21 | JeffM | blast007, it's posible epyon didn't update them |
| 01:39.32 | JeffM | if so, he gets a beating |
| 01:39.38 | blast007 | ah, it's just warnings |
| 01:39.47 | blast007 | warnings being treated as errors though |
| 01:40.06 | blast007 | how do I turn that off? |
| 01:40.31 | blast007 | JeffM: are they generated the same on linux as they would be for any OS? |
| 01:40.38 | JeffM | blast007, yeah |
| 01:40.41 | blast007 | if so, I can just grab them from my working linux build |
| 01:40.42 | blast007 | k |
| 01:40.43 | JeffM | but he may not have copied them |
| 01:40.44 | JeffM | yeah |
| 01:41.00 | JeffM | check if they are the same or not, if they arn't can you please update the windows ones. |
| 01:41.34 | blast007 | wow, the diff was long |
| 01:41.54 | AWOSLappy | ~beat Epyon for JeffM |
| 01:41.55 | ibot | ACTION beats Epyon for JeffM with a very wet, sticky noodle |
| 01:42.05 | CBG | blast007: remove -Werrors from the makefile |
| 01:42.23 | blast007 | CBG: k |
| 01:42.40 | CBG | wow. you actually are going to do it just cause I said? :P |
| 01:42.51 | AWOSLappy | it's -Werror, CBG. |
| 01:42.55 | CBG | open a new command line and do rm -rf |
| 01:43.03 | CBG | AWOSLappy: he'll work it out |
| 01:43.08 | AWOSLappy | CBG: lol. you forgot the /. |
| 01:43.09 | JeffM | I told him he has to commit the files when he changes them |
| 01:43.21 | blast007 | JeffM: can't say if he changed them for sure |
| 01:43.25 | blast007 | my diff program is lying |
| 01:43.28 | JeffM | ahh |
| 01:43.29 | CBG | eh, hit enter before I finished. AWOSLappy :P |
| 01:43.32 | JeffM | well I hope he did |
| 01:43.35 | AWOSLappy | CBG: :) |
| 01:43.39 | blast007 | plus, I used a different version than he did (of bison) |
| 01:43.40 | JeffM | we shodl make it so it's more automatic |
| 01:47.28 | AWOSLappy | Just to let you know, MSVC can't compile bzwb for Release. Fails on include files. I can patch it later |
| 01:48.01 | L4m3r | or you can just tell jude- when you see him :) |
| 01:48.28 | AWOSLappy | no, he said he doesn't support Win32 |
| 01:48.30 | AWOSLappy | and I found it |
| 01:50.17 | L4m3r | oh |
| 01:50.44 | L4m3r | I could give him SSH on my wind--- oh, wait. Nevermind. :P |
| 01:51.05 | AWOSLappy | lol. |
| 01:51.13 | AWOSLappy | Remote Desktop, L4m3r :) |
| 01:51.19 | L4m3r | ew :P |
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| 01:51.28 | L4m3r | though I think there is a KDE client for that |
| 01:52.35 | AWOSLappy | not sure who to give this to. http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m6d7f2ffa |
| 01:52.40 | AWOSLappy | JeffM? |
| 01:53.36 | AWOSLappy | ya know I just realised something. my name could potentially be entering the bz repos as a patcher! |
| 01:54.04 | blast007 | not for that |
| 01:54.06 | blast007 | ;) |
| 01:54.18 | JeffM | AWOSLappy, yeah I didn't setup release yet |
| 01:54.19 | AWOSLappy | hey, it's code (XML) and I patched it ;) |
| 01:54.35 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: I just put the include dirs under "all configurations"...that's it. |
| 01:54.44 | JeffM | there ya go |
| 01:54.51 | JeffM | does it copy the DLLs? |
| 01:55.15 | AWOSLappy | I'm making it compile to see if it even works, first. |
| 01:55.22 | JeffM | cool |
| 01:57.38 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r15519 10/trunk/db/bzfls2/includes/datalayer.class.php: Missed a 'tokenipaddress' |
| 02:00.51 | AWOSLappy | :o |
| 02:01.27 | blast007 | you killed him! |
| 02:01.42 | AWOSLappy | :O |
| 02:01.54 | AWOSLappy | ~revive JeffM |
| 02:01.54 | ibot | ACTION performs the Heimlich, mouth-to-mouth, shock treatment and anything else necessary to revive JeffM |
| 02:02.07 | blast007 | heh |
| 02:02.13 | AWOSLappy | you forgot CPR, dummy. |
| 02:02.21 | blast007 | mouth-to-mouth |
| 02:02.22 | AWOSLappy | ~literal revive |
| 02:02.33 | AWOSLappy | >_> |
| 02:02.40 | AWOSLappy | blast007: that is only breathing |
| 02:02.47 | AWOSLappy | CPR includes chest compressions. |
| 02:03.04 | blast007 | close enough |
| 02:03.23 | blast007 | ~literal cmd: revive (.*?) |
| 02:03.24 | ibot | "cmd: revive (.*?)" is "($1): <action>performs the Heimlich, mouth-to-mouth, shock treatment and anything else necessary to revive $1" |
| 02:04.52 | AWOSLappy | ~no revive (.*?) is ($1): <action>performs the Heimlich, mouth-to-mouth, shock treatment and anything else necessary to revive $1 |
| 02:04.53 | ibot | okay, AWOSLappy |
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| 02:04.57 | AWOSLappy | ~revive JeffM |
| 02:04.58 | ibot | ACTION performs the Heimlich, mouth-to-mouth, shock treatment and anything else necessary to revive JeffM |
| 02:05.01 | AWOSLappy | \o/ |
| 02:05.14 | AWOSLappy | wait, I forgot CPR >_> |
| 02:05.23 | AWOSLappy | ~no revive (.*?) is ($1): <action>performs the Heimlich, mouth-to-mouth, CPR, shock treatment, and anything else necessary to revive $1 |
| 02:05.23 | ibot | okay, AWOSLappy |
| 02:05.26 | AWOSLappy | ~revive JeffM |
| 02:05.26 | ibot | ACTION performs the Heimlich, mouth-to-mouth, shock treatment and anything else necessary to revive JeffM |
| 02:05.30 | AWOSLappy | >_< |
| 02:05.32 | AWOSLappy | aw, forget it |
| 02:05.36 | AWOSLappy | hi soxs |
| 02:05.46 | blast007 | ~revive (.*?) |
| 02:05.46 | ibot | ACTION performs the Heimlich, mouth-to-mouth, shock treatment and anything else necessary to revive (.*?) |
| 02:05.51 | redsoxfan90 | hi |
| 02:05.56 | blast007 | ~forget revive (.*?) |
| 02:05.57 | ibot | blast007: i forgot revive (.*?) |
| 02:06.09 | AWOSLappy | ~revive (.*?) is ($1): <action>performs the Heimlich, mouth-to-mouth, CPR, shock treatment, and anything else necessary to revive $1 |
| 02:06.10 | ibot | ACTION performs the Heimlich, mouth-to-mouth, shock treatment and anything else necessary to revive (.*?) is ($1): <action>performs the Heimlich, mouth-to-mouth, CPR, shock treatment, and anything else necessary to revive $1 |
| 02:06.26 | AWOSLappy | blast007: Seems to be builtin ;_; |
| 02:06.31 | AWOSLappy | ~blame TimRiker |
| 02:06.32 | ibot | ACTION blames TimRiker (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 02:06.34 | blast007 | nope, you just broke it |
| 02:06.40 | blast007 | you don't know how to make those factoids ;) |
| 02:06.43 | blast007 | ~forget revive (.*?) |
| 02:06.43 | ibot | i didn't have anything called 'revive (.*?)' to forget, blast007 |
| 02:07.22 | AWOSLappy | ~cmd revive (.*?) is ($1): <action>performs the Heimlich, mouth-to-mouth, CPR, shock treatment, and anything else necessary to revive $1 |
| 02:07.23 | ibot | okay, AWOSLappy |
| 02:07.27 | AWOSLappy | ~revive JeffM |
| 02:07.28 | ibot | ACTION performs the Heimlich, mouth-to-mouth, shock treatment and anything else necessary to revive JeffM |
| 02:07.32 | AWOSLappy | sigh. |
| 02:07.38 | AWOSLappy | ~forget revive |
| 02:07.38 | ibot | i didn't have anything called 'revive' to forget, AWOSLappy |
| 02:08.53 | AWOSLappy | it really doesn't matter. |
| 02:08.59 | AWOSLappy | hopefully JeffM will be gone for a few more minutes. |
| 02:09.06 | AWOSLappy | stupid thing still compiling >_> |
| 02:11.09 | redsoxfan90 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:11.28 | AWOSLappy | redsoxfan90: bzrobots? daxxar is working on it. |
| 02:12.00 | redsoxfan90 | when is it supposed to be done? |
| 02:12.11 | AWOSLappy | no idea. |
| 02:12.14 | AWOSLappy | ask daxxar. |
| 02:12.15 | AWOSLappy | :) |
| 02:12.17 | redsoxfan90 | will do! |
| 02:12.18 | redsoxfan90 | :) |
| 02:13.38 | redsoxfan90 | when these codes are completed it will be used in 2.2? |
| 02:14.35 | AWOSLappy | I _think_ it's 2.0x compliant, but I'm not sure. |
| 02:14.39 | AWOSLappy | For sure with 2.2. |
| 02:17.16 | AAA_awright | There is still a problem with Curl in 2.1 |
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| 02:19.00 | redsoxfan90 | ic |
| 02:27.32 | a_meteorite | ~bz20svn |
| 02:27.33 | ibot | rumour has it, bz20svn is http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/branches/v2_0branch/ bzflag |
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| 03:48.26 | JeffM | AAA_awright, how did the release build work out for you? |
| 03:48.45 | AAA_awright | Release? |
| 03:49.24 | AAA_awright | the 2.1 Debug still does not work |
| 03:49.24 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: over here. |
| 03:49.39 | AWOSLappy | BZWorkbench fatal error LNK1181: cannot open input file 'fltk.lib' |
| 03:50.05 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: sorry, was actually playing the game :) |
| 03:50.32 | JeffM | do you have fltk built and in a place that the compiler can find it? |
| 03:52.00 | JeffM | and I found the deal with the ground texture |
| 03:52.15 | JeffM | it draws it, it's just that his UV is way too small |
| 03:52.18 | JeffM | so it blends out to just green |
| 03:52.25 | JeffM | zoom in way deep and you'll see the grass |
| 03:52.37 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: okay, well mine is white |
| 03:52.55 | JeffM | mine is green |
| 03:53.19 | JeffM | when you built your OSG< did you set the png lib dir in cmake? |
| 04:00.17 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15520 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (COPYING README): need a license and a readme. |
| 04:01.17 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15521 10/trunk/bzworkbench/INSTALL: take out that silly "runs only on unix" crap, it runs on windows just fine. |
| 04:01.39 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15522 10/trunk/bzworkbench/MSVC/VC7.1/BZWorkbench.vcproj: use FLTK_ROOT environ var for the fast light toolkit |
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| 04:11.17 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15523 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (INSTALL README README.MSWindows windows/MainWindow.cpp): |
| 04:11.17 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: add a readme for windows that tells the basics of building on VC. |
| 04:11.17 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: mention the windows readme in the other readmes. |
| 04:12.45 | Constitution | JeffM: are you familiar with the crash-on-exit bug in FontManager.cxx? |
| 04:12.51 | JeffM | nope |
| 04:14.23 | JeffM | does it involve candy? |
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| 04:14.40 | Constitution | of course! |
| 04:15.17 | Constitution | candy I can manage... at least I'm not selling my soul like Winny did ;) |
| 04:15.30 | JeffM | is she cute? |
| 04:15.58 | Constitution | my soul? not very |
| 04:16.02 | AWOSLappy | Doh. |
| 04:16.16 | JeffM | no, Candy |
| 04:16.16 | AWOSLappy | I forgot to build fltk libs for release. |
| 04:16.43 | Constitution | heh |
| 04:22.31 | JeffM | AWOSLappy, I changed it to want an environ var for FLTK too |
| 04:22.48 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: eeshed. |
| 04:23.06 | JeffM | figure may as well be consistent |
| 04:23.11 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: I don't have that revision |
| 04:23.19 | JeffM | and environ vars work across more then one VC version. |
| 04:23.23 | AWOSLappy | true. |
| 04:23.31 | AWOSLappy | so I suppose I'll SVN update |
| 04:25.46 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: pixmap_browser error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol __ftol2 |
| 04:26.02 | JeffM | no clue what that is |
| 04:26.07 | JeffM | that'd during a release build? |
| 04:26.14 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: yes, fltk |
| 04:26.22 | AWOSLappy | Build: 8 succeeded, 62 failed, 0 skipped |
| 04:27.00 | JeffM | dunno man |
| 04:27.03 | blast007 | JeffM: you don't have to set the PNG directory if the 3rd party directory is in the right spot |
| 04:27.29 | JeffM | blast007, I put it where you had yours, and it did not auto detect for me |
| 04:27.41 | JeffM | so it is good to verify that it got picked up |
| 04:27.51 | JeffM | once I set it manualy I was good |
| 04:27.54 | blast007 | hmm, I didn't have to change any of the settings |
| 04:27.59 | JeffM | yeah, odd |
| 04:28.20 | JeffM | but it's CMake, I think it remembers settings from previous runs, and won't rescan dirs |
| 04:28.39 | blast007 | hmm |
| 04:28.48 | AWOSLappy | okay basically, there is no help, docs, or IRC channel for fltk. |
| 04:28.50 | AWOSLappy | I am screwed? |
| 04:29.04 | JeffM | AWOSLappy, nope, your brain still works, track it down |
| 04:29.15 | AWOSLappy | JeffM XD |
| 04:29.29 | JeffM | your a developer right? |
| 04:30.54 | AWOSLappy | okay I see. |
| 04:31.06 | AWOSLappy | it built the libs, but the test suite doesn't build under release |
| 04:31.21 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: yes, I already compared project settings between debug and release. no differences. |
| 04:32.08 | AWOSLappy | ohhh.... |
| 04:32.40 | AWOSLappy | It was _you_, JeffM! |
| 04:33.04 | JeffM | huh? |
| 04:33.18 | AWOSLappy | The MSVCRT. You told me to put the VC6 one in, which does not have a __ftol2 |
| 04:33.28 | JeffM | I did what? |
| 04:33.48 | AWOSLappy | You told me to put the VC6 MSVCRT.lib in. |
| 04:33.50 | AWOSLappy | For GTK+. |
| 04:33.59 | JeffM | when did I do that? |
| 04:34.06 | JeffM | GTK what are you talking about |
| 04:34.18 | AWOSLappy | Oh, maybe it was DTRemenak. |
| 04:34.48 | JeffM | does it matter, how woudl anyone know all your eventual uses of the libs, and what funcitons they contained |
| 04:34.48 | AWOSLappy | either you or DTRemenak told me to put the VC6 MSVCRT into the VC7 libs dir so that I could compile GTK+ apps. |
| 04:35.02 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: I googled, which revealed it. |
| 04:35.07 | JeffM | that sounds like a recepe for disaster |
| 04:35.20 | AWOSLappy | it does. |
| 04:35.26 | AWOSLappy | but DTRemenak said it, so it must be true. |
| 04:35.27 | AWOSLappy | :P |
| 04:35.42 | AWOSLappy | there, put back the VC7. |
| 04:36.13 | AWOSLappy | there. building. |
| 04:36.15 | AWOSLappy | happy, JeffM? :) |
| 04:36.18 | JeffM | no |
| 04:36.24 | JeffM | that's not a good work around |
| 04:36.31 | JeffM | I find it odd that he'd say that, he should know better |
| 04:36.44 | AWOSLappy | Putting the VC7 lib back isn't a good work around? |
| 04:36.45 | AWOSLappy | What? |
| 04:36.46 | JeffM | it must have been a hack workaround |
| 04:36.53 | JeffM | no VC71 is good |
| 04:36.59 | JeffM | 7.1 > 6 |
| 04:37.00 | AWOSLappy | So what I did was good. |
| 04:37.01 | JeffM | 6 bad |
| 04:37.11 | JeffM | yeah but what he told you to do for GTK was bad |
| 04:37.15 | AWOSLappy | oh. |
| 04:37.25 | JeffM | if GTK won't build under 7 then you shoudl have built it with 6 |
| 04:37.25 | AWOSLappy | BZWorkbench fatal error C1083: Cannot open source file: 'C:\dev-libs\OSG2.0\include': Permission denied |
| 04:37.33 | JeffM | not use a halfass thing |
| 04:37.45 | JeffM | well give it permision |
| 04:37.55 | AWOSLappy | It has permission. it's trying to open it as a file. |
| 04:38.05 | AWOSLappy | this did not happen until I svn up'd |
| 04:39.30 | AWOSLappy | reverting to r15519, and it compiles fine |
| 04:40.20 | JeffM | well I can't magicaly make it work |
| 04:40.26 | JeffM | think it out |
| 04:40.28 | JeffM | use the noodle man |
| 04:40.29 | AWOSLappy | I'm doing a diff now |
| 04:40.39 | JeffM | or just track down the issue |
| 04:40.41 | AWOSLappy | >_> I'm just letting you know that there is a problem! |
| 04:40.43 | JeffM | are you out of space again? |
| 04:40.47 | AWOSLappy | I'm looking for the error right now! |
| 04:41.03 | AWOSLappy | I have 621M free |
| 04:41.56 | JeffM | I can't see how a permission error is a problem with the project file |
| 04:42.11 | AWOSLappy | I don't either, but reverting to r15519 works, and HEAD doesn't |
| 04:42.43 | AWOSLappy | also, linking with r15519 freezes, probably due to fltk libs being built with vcrt6, so I'm rebuilding fltk first |
| 04:44.33 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: I don't know what the problem is either, but it says "source file". it makes me wonder why it's treating a directory as a file |
| 04:44.41 | AWOSLappy | and though it shouldn't matter, the include dir is set to read-only |
| 04:44.55 | JeffM | where does it say that? |
| 04:45.08 | AWOSLappy | Cannot open source file: 'C:\dev-libs\OSG2.0\include' |
| 04:45.15 | JeffM | when it's doing what? |
| 04:45.23 | AWOSLappy | It's the first build error I receive. |
| 04:45.45 | JeffM | what file is it trying to build, look on the output tab |
| 04:46.50 | AWOSLappy | I'm rebuilding fltk, I already closed it. the BuildLog only has linking step |
| 04:47.29 | AWOSLappy | Which is an error (ConeConfigurationDialog.obj : fatal error LNK1000: unknown error; consult documentation for technical support options |
| 04:47.29 | AWOSLappy | ), which is why I am doing a fltk rebuild. due to that hack from DTR |
| 04:47.56 | AWOSLappy | okay, fltk just finished. trying bzwb now. |
| 04:48.30 | JeffM | it puts in hardcoded paths for EVERYTHING |
| 04:49.39 | AWOSLappy | *exact*: |
| 04:49.40 | AWOSLappy | ConeConfigurationDialog.obj : fatal error LNK1000: unknown error; consult documentation for technical support options |
| 04:49.48 | JeffM | you have issues dude |
| 04:49.53 | AWOSLappy | er, darn clipboard |
| 04:49.56 | AWOSLappy | include |
| 04:49.56 | AWOSLappy | c1xx : fatal error C1083: Cannot open source file: 'C:\dev-libs\OSG2.0\include': Permission denied |
| 04:50.05 | AWOSLappy | that's old, my stupid clipboard didn't copy |
| 04:50.14 | AWOSLappy | THAT is the message I get |
| 04:50.14 | JeffM | what is above that line? |
| 04:50.20 | AWOSLappy | Compiling... |
| 04:50.21 | AWOSLappy | include |
| 04:50.21 | AWOSLappy | c1xx : fatal error C1083: Cannot open source file: 'C:\dev-libs\OSG2.0\include': Permission denied |
| 04:50.35 | AWOSLappy | nothing is above that line |
| 04:50.45 | AWOSLappy | well "Build started: blah bzwb blah Release" |
| 04:50.52 | blast007 | what release target? |
| 04:50.54 | JeffM | I think your project is jacked |
| 04:50.58 | blast007 | er |
| 04:51.00 | blast007 | what target? |
| 04:51.03 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: I JUST re-updated from SVN |
| 04:51.24 | AWOSLappy | you want me to wipe the folder or reformat or something like that? |
| 04:51.35 | AWOSLappy | blast007: BZWorkbench Release Win32 |
| 04:51.46 | JeffM | I think you had a bad merge or something |
| 04:51.49 | blast007 | waiting for mine to finish |
| 04:51.59 | JeffM | all I get ais an OSG link error, cus I did't build it release in my root dir |
| 04:52.05 | blast007 | hmm, had an error during post-build events |
| 04:52.50 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: so what can I do? rm the MSVC dir, svn up and try again? |
| 04:52.58 | JeffM | dunno man |
| 04:52.58 | blast007 | ah, couple typos |
| 04:53.00 | AWOSLappy | delete the whole freaking bzwb folder? |
| 04:53.07 | JeffM | I don't know |
| 04:53.16 | JeffM | I do not have all the answers |
| 04:53.36 | JeffM | don't build debug |
| 04:53.40 | JeffM | sorry don't build release |
| 04:53.49 | blast007 | it works for me |
| 04:54.09 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: while I'm redownloading from SVN, http://76.26.0.123/BuildLog.htm -- you can see what I see |
| 04:54.59 | blast007 | /I "" |
| 04:55.11 | blast007 | "Build machine environment variables may not be correct." |
| 04:55.17 | blast007 | maybe that's a hint of some kind? |
| 04:55.21 | JeffM | yeah you have earlyer errors |
| 04:55.30 | JeffM | did you set the FLTK environ variable? |
| 04:55.41 | JeffM | and take FLTK out of your include and lib dirs? |
| 04:56.05 | AWOSLappy | >_< |
| 04:56.26 | JeffM | what does that even MEAN? |
| 04:56.48 | AWOSLappy | it means, I am a bloody idiot and don't deserve to even work with VC. |
| 04:56.56 | AWOSLappy | no, I did NOT SET THE VARIABLES. |
| 04:57.08 | blast007 | iirc, you have to restart MSVC after changing the enviroment variables too |
| 04:57.12 | JeffM | indeed |
| 04:57.18 | JeffM | if you set them in system |
| 04:57.24 | JeffM | if you do them in user, oyu have to log out then in |
| 04:57.32 | AWOSLappy | I only do them in system, I don't touch user |
| 04:57.32 | blast007 | I set them in user, and just had to restart MSVC |
| 04:57.50 | AWOSLappy | except for DJGPP, which told me to put it in user |
| 04:58.28 | JeffM | it dosn't matter what one they go in |
| 04:58.36 | JeffM | they are merged for the current session |
| 04:58.42 | AWOSLappy | the only bright side to this is, I have a shiny new checkout. |
| 04:58.45 | JeffM | system just means you set them once |
| 04:59.36 | AWOSLappy | so does OSG need to be removed from the paths as well? I didn't for the debug build that worked |
| 04:59.48 | AWOSLappy | under options->VC++ directories->libs/includes |
| 04:59.55 | JeffM | probably |
| 05:00.01 | JeffM | since it's all done via the vars now |
| 05:00.15 | AWOSLappy | Now building. |
| 05:00.29 | AWOSLappy | Cannot open include file: 'FL/fl.H' |
| 05:00.31 | blast007 | "Build: 1 succeeded, 0 failed, 0 skipped" |
| 05:00.44 | AWOSLappy | er, Fl.H |
| 05:00.46 | AWOSLappy | whatever |
| 05:00.53 | blast007 | AWOSLappy: did you set the FLTK_ROOT and restart MSVC? |
| 05:00.59 | AWOSLappy | blast007: yes. |
| 05:01.04 | blast007 | then you did it wrong |
| 05:01.08 | blast007 | I just built |
| 05:01.09 | JeffM | what did you set it to? |
| 05:01.20 | AWOSLappy | unless I misspelled their darn name, so freaking hard to type "fltk" without putting "ftlk" |
| 05:01.40 | blast007 | can't you navigate to the folder, and copy and paste from the address bar? |
| 05:01.45 | AWOSLappy | FLTK_ROOT = C:\dev-libs\fltk-1.1.7-source |
| 05:02.25 | blast007 | and in that dir, is there an "FL" directory? |
| 05:02.25 | AWOSLappy | dangit, it's under fltk-1.1.7-source/fltk-1.1.7 |
| 05:02.30 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15524 10/trunk/bzworkbench/MSVC/VC7.1/BZWorkbench.vcproj: fixes to post build steps for release mode (typos) |
| 05:02.31 | blast007 | ... |
| 05:02.39 | blast007 | JeffM: aww crud, I was just about to do that |
| 05:02.43 | JeffM | :) |
| 05:02.49 | blast007 | there's one in debug too |
| 05:03.02 | blast007 | you copy the PNG dll with the .dlll extension |
| 05:03.09 | AWOSLappy | another svn up to screw up :P |
| 05:03.13 | JeffM | AWOSLappy, umm seriously man, you should like be a lot better then this with basic things such as directories. |
| 05:03.28 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: and they should pack them without burying them two or three folders deep. |
| 05:03.43 | AWOSLappy | seriously. fltk-1.1.7-source\fltk-1.1.7?! |
| 05:03.47 | JeffM | no... you should learn to read |
| 05:04.06 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: so that makes sense to you. creating an entirely empty directory except for a directory. |
| 05:04.13 | blast007 | AWOSLappy: it's your directory, not ours |
| 05:04.25 | blast007 | not our fault you don't pay attention to the extraction process |
| 05:04.27 | AWOSLappy | blast007: no, it's THEIR directory, not mine |
| 05:04.35 | blast007 | no, it's on YOUR drive |
| 05:04.41 | blast007 | we can't see YOUR drive |
| 05:04.47 | AWOSLappy | but THEIR stupid ZIP file made an extra directory. |
| 05:04.52 | blast007 | so? |
| 05:04.56 | blast007 | that's your problem |
| 05:04.56 | JeffM | AWOSLappy, I'm not saying what they did makes sense, but it is a directory on your system. What I am saying for you to do is use your brain a little and read things that actualy EXIST on your computer |
| 05:05.15 | JeffM | you can't just guess and assume what people do |
| 05:05.22 | AWOSLappy | just because I'm used to normal ZIP files, that make normal directories, and overlooked ONE TINY FLAW, doesn't make me an idiot. |
| 05:05.43 | ruskie | I assume zip files don't have dirs in them... |
| 05:05.55 | ruskie | since that's what I usually get from them... |
| 05:06.10 | AWOSLappy | you know what, fine, you want to make fun / abuse me just because I don't do things your way, fine. |
| 05:06.14 | *** part/#bzflag AWOSLappy (n=awilcox@unaffiliated/awosdev) |
| 05:06.15 | JeffM | you just seem to be rushing thru things AWOSLappy, take a moment to read it over. |
| 05:06.27 | JeffM | I know your better then this |
| 05:06.41 | blast007 | "do things our way" ? what does that mean? |
| 05:06.44 | blast007 | "use our brains" ? |
| 05:07.50 | JeffM | yeah it's not "our way" it's just the way FLTK is setup |
| 05:08.05 | JeffM | tha'ts what's being used, so if you want to build BZWB, you ahve to deal with it |
| 05:08.17 | JeffM | that's just simple reality. |
| 05:09.01 | awilcox | JeffM: I'm just tired |
| 05:09.05 | duct_tape_man | it's hardly an issue, really, since you can always use a build from someone else... thanks Blast! :D |
| 05:09.13 | blast007 | hehe |
| 05:09.16 | awilcox | and sick of build error after build error with every project I run into |
| 05:09.21 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15525 10/trunk/bzworkbench/MSVC/VC7.1/BZWorkbench.vcproj: it's a dll, not a dllL |
| 05:09.30 | blast007 | awilcox: it's develoment code |
| 05:09.38 | JeffM | wel that's part of working on development |
| 05:09.40 | blast007 | JeffM: darn it! was just about to commit THAT too! |
| 05:09.42 | awilcox | blast007: not fltk. |
| 05:09.53 | blast007 | awilcox: FLTK compiled just fine for me |
| 05:09.56 | JeffM | j000 2 sl0w :) |
| 05:10.06 | blast007 | JeffM: apparently |
| 05:10.10 | awilcox | I guess I'm just used to tar -xzf blah.tar.gz |
| 05:10.17 | awilcox | and windows is more stupid and complicated. |
| 05:10.36 | JeffM | awilcox, then get off windows |
| 05:10.38 | JeffM | use nix |
| 05:11.05 | awilcox | I don't have the disk space, and don't rat on me for not having a big hard drive, I already told you I want one but can't afford it |
| 05:11.14 | JeffM | then honestly, stop complaining about it |
| 05:11.20 | JeffM | it's what you got, deal with it |
| 05:11.30 | awilcox | but I'm telling you why I can't put nix on it. |
| 05:11.37 | JeffM | fine |
| 05:11.37 | awilcox | it's my ONLY windows machine |
| 05:11.39 | JeffM | it's a reason |
| 05:11.59 | JeffM | complaining that it dosn't work like you expect a nix machine to work is just silly |
| 05:12.26 | JeffM | "this orange dosn't taste like my other apples, it's stupid!" |
| 05:12.26 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r15526 10/trunk/bzworkbench/MSVC/VC7.1/BZWorkbench.vcproj: osgdb_pngd.dlll -> osgdb_pngd.dll for Debug build, disable 64-bit portability warnings for Release build |
| 05:12.32 | blast007 | I got that one! |
| 05:12.40 | awilcox | blast007: \o/ |
| 05:12.49 | JeffM | heh |
| 05:12.59 | a_meteorite | let me guess who spelled dll |
| 05:13.13 | JeffM | your mom |
| 05:13.22 | duct_tape_man | baaaahahahaha |
| 05:13.24 | awilcox | JeffM: well, a nix machine works better for me, but I'm forced to use windows. anyways, it seems to be compiling just fine now that I've fixed my stupidity. |
| 05:13.27 | a_meteorite | you speak the truth |
| 05:13.28 | duct_tape_man | ~JeffM++ |
| 05:13.32 | awilcox | lol |
| 05:13.39 | awilcox | ~a_mets_mom-- |
| 05:13.41 | awilcox | ~JeffM++ |
| 05:13.44 | a_meteorite | well, actually, the speaker lies |
| 05:14.21 | a_meteorite | there should be a pre-commit script for svn checking for spelling, akin to mod_speling |
| 05:14.22 | Epyon | *yawn* |
| 05:14.26 | awilcox | nn Epyon |
| 05:14.27 | Epyon | morning all ^_^ |
| 05:14.30 | awilcox | oh. |
| 05:14.34 | awilcox | :P |
| 05:14.35 | JeffM | there are |
| 05:14.35 | Epyon | xD |
| 05:14.36 | awilcox | morning Epyon. |
| 05:14.39 | a_meteorite | really? |
| 05:14.47 | JeffM | but nether dll, or dlll are real words ;) |
| 05:14.50 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 05:15.03 | awilcox | JeffM: I am not, actually, better than that. the problem is that I was going through the steps ON irc. |
| 05:15.33 | awilcox | JeffM: I commonly make spelling errors, directory errors, but I feel a need to continually say how the build is coming so that you don't tell me "hurry up" |
| 05:15.50 | JeffM | why In gods name woudl I tell you to hurry up? |
| 05:15.54 | awilcox | therefore, you see the errors I make as I make them. |
| 05:16.14 | JeffM | your the one asking me questions, I won't answer them till I see them |
| 05:16.18 | awilcox | JeffM: I don't really know. ##hardware, #OSDev, ##linux, they all tell me "hurry the ____ up" if I don't ping them every 30 seconds. |
| 05:16.26 | JeffM | it's not like I sit here wating for you to type stuff |
| 05:16.31 | a_meteorite | awilcox: reminds me of gnurdux |
| 05:16.40 | a_meteorite | man, that kid was annoying |
| 05:16.41 | awilcox | so I rush through everything, and hurry up, type faster, etc. |
| 05:16.44 | JeffM | this channel isn not in that list |
| 05:16.53 | JeffM | I'd perfer it if you took your time, and thought it out |
| 05:17.02 | JeffM | instead of asking about every single little step |
| 05:17.05 | awilcox | JeffM: I've never really deved on this channel. I'm still quite new to the bzdev community. |
| 05:17.14 | JeffM | your a developer, I know your smarker then a 12 year old kid ;) |
| 05:17.27 | awilcox | JeffM: would you believe, that #osdev was pissed I wasn't going through every step |
| 05:17.34 | JeffM | I mean your working on an OS for cripes sake |
| 05:17.37 | awilcox | JeffM: that's actually quite reassuring ;) |
| 05:17.49 | awilcox | yep. I almost have user-mode done, btw. |
| 05:17.54 | a_meteorite | smarker.. heh |
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| 05:18.11 | a_meteorite | we definitely know Jeff is smarter than a 12 year old kid at spelling, right? |
| 05:18.14 | a_meteorite | :) |
| 05:18.20 | AWOSLappy | a_met: rofl. |
| 05:18.50 | Epyon | xP |
| 05:18.57 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: dlll and smarker actually give me hope :P |
| 05:19.14 | JeffM | everyone knows I can't type |
| 05:19.27 | JeffM | latptop keybarod |
| 05:19.29 | JeffM | it sucks |
| 05:19.37 | Epyon | neither can I :P |
| 05:19.38 | JeffM | haven't gotten used to where I moved it to |
| 05:20.01 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: laptop keyboards take a LONG time to get acustomed to. |
| 05:20.16 | AWOSLappy | took me about 3 years before I could even break 60wpm on this sucker. |
| 05:20.21 | JeffM | I'm used to turning right to type, but now the laptop is on the left |
| 05:20.32 | Epyon | AWOSLappy, laptop keyboards take a lot of time to get accustomed FROM. |
| 05:20.39 | AWOSLappy | Epyon: hehe. |
| 05:21.17 | Epyon | I had a serious problem typing on a full size, big button "heavy push" keyboard after I switched from laptop back to desktom o.O |
| 05:21.21 | AWOSLappy | and by that I mean, for example, Fn+F2 on my laptop makes the contrast brighter |
| 05:21.30 | AWOSLappy | Epyon: hehehe |
| 05:21.50 | AWOSLappy | I can crack 120wpm on that kind of keyboard, Epyon, where as I can only get probably ~90 on this |
| 05:22.10 | trepan | switch keyboard layouts, then complain about typing adjustments :) |
| 05:22.12 | Epyon | ... so finally I bought a very responsive logitech keyboard :). Still it took me almost a month to stop misspressing keys... |
| 05:22.28 | AWOSLappy | trepan: after many times of XP swapping EN<->FR, I ended up doing that. |
| 05:22.39 | AWOSLappy | adjusted my a/z, 1/!, etc. |
| 05:22.56 | trepan | http://www.typematrix.com/ezr2030/dvorak.html |
| 05:23.04 | AWOSLappy | trepan: nooooooooooooooooo |
| 05:23.22 | AWOSLappy | wait |
| 05:23.29 | AWOSLappy | trepan: omigosh. |
| 05:23.47 | AWOSLappy | that right there is the laptop keyboard from hell, trepan |
| 05:23.58 | Epyon | dvorak is okay - at least it doesn't pretend to be qwerty -_- |
| 05:24.00 | trepan | except, turn it around 180 degrees, and give yourself 6 keys per thumb (takes a little X magic to get that part working) |
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| 05:24.44 | AWOSLappy | The only thing I use my thumbs for are ALT and the spacebar. |
| 05:25.00 | Epyon | Constitution, what's up with the server? |
| 05:25.07 | AWOSLappy | my pinky for CTRL, SHIFT. ring finger for TAB. |
| 05:25.28 | Constitution | Epyon: is it down? |
| 05:25.41 | Constitution | I'll have to check |
| 05:25.50 | AWOSLappy | macsforme: aren't you Constitution? |
| 05:26.02 | macsforme | yes |
| 05:26.14 | AWOSLappy | you even have the same color. |
| 05:26.42 | trepan | i have thumbs setup for space, return, ctrl, alt, mod1 (non-letters), mod2 (specialty) |
| 05:26.42 | AWOSLappy | Oh. My. Goodness. |
| 05:26.49 | AWOSLappy | I just realised, I'm building debug >_> |
| 05:27.05 | AWOSLappy | trepan: wait, you HAVE that kbd? |
| 05:27.10 | trepan | yes |
| 05:27.22 | trepan | and i use it backwards |
| 05:27.22 | AWOSLappy | Scary. |
| 05:27.28 | AWOSLappy | haha |
| 05:27.30 | trepan | (stupid shift setup, imo) |
| 05:27.39 | Epyon | Constitution i've set up my bzadmin to reconnect until true so I see when it shuts down :) |
| 05:27.52 | AWOSLappy | "The Ultimate Typing Machine?" Oh they stole that from BMW, the ultimate Driving machine. |
| 05:28.23 | AWOSLappy | Epyon: You mean, until 1 becomes false? |
| 05:28.41 | trepan | what i'd prefer is a straight 6x3 grid for each hand, and 6 keys per thumb |
| 05:28.43 | Epyon | yep |
| 05:28.44 | AWOSLappy | if(!0) |
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| 05:29.15 | AWOSLappy | trepan: I'm not 100% sure what you mean, and erm, I like the way normal keyboards are laid out. |
| 05:29.25 | Epyon | We all do :P |
| 05:29.55 | trepan | normal keyboards are especially stupid (qwerty sucks, and keyboard slants make no sense) |
| 05:30.27 | AWOSLappy | dumb question. how do I zoom in? |
| 05:30.36 | AWOSLappy | +/- doesn't work. |
| 05:30.38 | blast007 | right drag down for in, up for out |
| 05:30.50 | Epyon | ah blast007 beat me to it. |
| 05:31.12 | Epyon | RFE for BZWB - mouse scroll wheel should zoom |
| 05:31.30 | AWOSLappy | okay erm |
| 05:31.46 | AWOSLappy | I zoomed to where 4 squares take up my entire 1024x768 TFT, and still see no grass. |
| 05:31.51 | Constitution | Epyon, map.bzw appears to only contain 1 base entry |
| 05:31.53 | AWOSLappy | or green or anything at all. |
| 05:31.54 | Constitution | when -b is 4 |
| 05:32.14 | Epyon | RFE for BZWB - reduce the freedom of the camera, especialy in the roll direction, preferably warcraft style scroll |
| 05:32.21 | Epyon | Constitution, I'll take a look |
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| 05:33.15 | AWOSLappy | http://i16.tinypic.com/6h4ot9f.png |
| 05:33.28 | AWOSLappy | where is jude- when I need him? |
| 05:33.32 | Epyon | png |
| 05:33.53 | AWOSLappy | oh right, duh |
| 05:34.07 | Epyon | Aaaaah, same stupid error |
| 05:34.40 | AWOSLappy | okay now I have base pictures but still no grass. |
| 05:35.08 | AWOSLappy | http://i10.tinypic.com/62r0ju9.png |
| 05:37.18 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15527 10/trunk/bzwgen/src/GridGenerator.cxx: Fixed bases placement |
| 05:37.25 | Epyon | Constitution, fixed :) |
| 05:37.30 | Constitution | k, I'll check |
| 05:38.06 | Epyon | AWOSLappy, media folder placement? |
| 05:38.24 | AWOSLappy | Epyon: correct. |
| 05:38.40 | Epyon | Constitution, BTW I moved all textures used by bzwgen into the media folder, so now it uses it's onw. |
| 05:38.53 | AWOSLappy | Argh. You devs crank out vcprojs faster than I can compile them :P |
| 05:39.19 | Epyon | AWOSLappy, download a prebuilt binart then xP |
| 05:39.55 | Epyon | Constitution, back on line :) |
| 05:40.08 | Constitution | ok, cool |
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| 05:48.09 | jude- | hello all |
| 05:48.12 | Constitution | hi jude- |
| 05:48.45 | jude- | sorry for the brief lapse these last few days...my professors are cruel and provided lots of homework for my weekend enjoyment :/ |
| 05:49.00 | Epyon | jude- :DDD |
| 05:49.11 | jude- | hello Epyon :) |
| 05:49.29 | Epyon | RFE for BZWB - mouse scroll wheel should zoom |
| 05:49.34 | Epyon | RFE for BZWB - reduce the freedom of the camera, especialy in the roll direction, preferably warcraft style scroll |
| 05:49.35 | jude- | blast007: thanks for posting that comment on the forums about BZWB :) |
| 05:49.49 | jude- | ~wiki RFE |
| 05:49.52 | blast007 | which one? |
| 05:50.03 | blast007 | about the win32 build? |
| 05:50.09 | JeffM | request for enhancment |
| 05:50.09 | jude- | blast007: posting the Windows build of the latest snapshot |
| 05:50.12 | jude- | right |
| 05:50.13 | Epyon | RFE - Request for Enhancement |
| 05:50.14 | JeffM | but it needs more then just those things |
| 05:50.17 | blast007 | ah |
| 05:50.21 | jude- | JeffM: indeed |
| 05:50.28 | JeffM | jude-, when I get time I plan on going thru the interface |
| 05:50.38 | Epyon | JeffM, the camera model is very annoying, at least for me :/ |
| 05:50.38 | blast007 | Bulldozer: anything is possible |
| 05:50.41 | JeffM | now that I could build it |
| 05:50.41 | blast007 | even jumping tanks |
| 05:50.43 | jude- | JeffM: yes, I know it needs work |
| 05:50.48 | JeffM | yeah, I have a better camera method |
| 05:50.54 | jude- | what would that be? |
| 05:50.56 | JeffM | jude-, you had a lot to do, you couldnt' get to it all |
| 05:51.04 | JeffM | you got us a good framework |
| 05:51.07 | jude- | I'll get to it...eventually |
| 05:51.08 | JeffM | we can buid on that |
| 05:51.08 | Bulldozer | Given enough time and code, right? ;-) |
| 05:51.12 | Epyon | jude-, maybe something like modern RTSes have? |
| 05:51.13 | blast007 | Bulldozer: yup |
| 05:51.16 | jude- | i.e. October |
| 05:51.17 | JeffM | jude-, it's not just your code anymore |
| 05:51.23 | JeffM | we'll work on it too |
| 05:51.26 | jude- | cool :) |
| 05:51.31 | Constitution | I was thinking for inter-world teleporters... have the clients semi-connect to the new servers when it gets within x-range, then do a full connect & enter when the tank goes through? |
| 05:51.37 | JeffM | I was going to put most of the interface work from powerpainter into it |
| 05:51.41 | Epyon | jude-, like Warcraft 3 for example, but with grater zoom possibility |
| 05:51.44 | Bulldozer | No, poor performance. |
| 05:51.51 | JeffM | it has decent draging, selection and stuff like that |
| 05:51.52 | jude- | Epyon: never played Warcraft 3 |
| 05:52.04 | JeffM | and also work out better movenet,scale, and roation widgets |
| 05:52.08 | JeffM | and some inspectors |
| 05:52.09 | jude- | IIRC, it's a trackball transformation matrix in camera space |
| 05:52.15 | Constitution | Bulldozer: or it could go so some sort of warp animation sequence while the client connects and downloads :P |
| 05:52.32 | Epyon | jude-, imagine a camera that floats all the time over the field, and has fixed roll coordinate |
| 05:52.32 | Bulldozer | Preferable. |
| 05:52.35 | JeffM | jude-, your trackball uses depth, and gets wonky |
| 05:52.43 | JeffM | that why it feels wiered |
| 05:52.57 | Bulldozer | I don't think it would be that hard to do. |
| 05:53.10 | Winny | anyone else having issues with the lastest 2.0.9 SVN being unstable? (BZFS) |
| 05:53.14 | JeffM | also using the same controll for select and scrolling is not the best |
| 05:53.14 | Epyon | JeffM, the most annoying thing is that the roll of the camera is not fixed to the plane :/ |
| 05:53.19 | JeffM | yeah |
| 05:53.24 | Constitution | Winny: with, or without plugins? |
| 05:53.26 | JeffM | like I said, I plan on redoing it all |
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| 05:53.34 | Bulldozer | Most of the code would be the same as used to Join a game. |
| 05:53.38 | JeffM | I've got code in PP that does a clean intutive view |
| 05:53.47 | JeffM | thrid gen BZEdit interface |
| 05:53.48 | Winny | Constitution: yes |
| 05:54.11 | Constitution | Winny: I'm having problems with plugins too, but without plugins it seems to be okay so far |
| 05:54.12 | JeffM | that and I need to fix up some of the FLTK widgets to stop scaling :) |
| 05:54.19 | JeffM | that fat menu bar bugs me :) |
| 05:54.21 | Bulldozer | The only server-to-server communication would be to pass flags between servers; if that was even needed. |
| 05:54.36 | JeffM | jude-, to build on nix, do you use a makefile? or eclipse? |
| 05:55.03 | Bulldozer | You could do basic inter-server teleports with also no modification to the server code at all. |
| 05:55.13 | Winny | Constitution: hmmm.. ok |
| 05:55.35 | Constitution | Bulldozer: maybe an argument inside the "link" world object with the address of the server it points to? |
| 05:56.08 | Bulldozer | Constitution: Exactly. |
| 05:56.55 | Bulldozer | Constitution: If you wanted to pass flags and/or points between the servers, you could do that with a plugin |
| 05:57.20 | Constitution | erm... maybe |
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| 05:57.34 | Bulldozer | Well, flags anyhow... |
| 05:57.40 | jude- | #@^$@@#$% comcrap |
| 05:57.42 | Bulldozer | Not sure about points |
| 05:57.47 | Constitution | once 2.1 comes out with the score api functions |
| 05:57.50 | Constitution | er, *2.2 |
| 05:57.50 | jude- | sorry--did I miss anything? |
| 05:57.58 | Constitution | jude-: the sky is falling |
| 05:58.24 | Bulldozer | Constitution: The only code mod to make the actual pass work would be in the client, since a inter-server teleport would be essentially the same as the client leaving the game and joining a new one. |
| 05:59.01 | Constitution | Bulldozer, but if we're going to bother to implement server-to-server teleporters, adding the code for passing flags and/or score to the server would be of trivial |
| 05:59.28 | L4m3r | don't forget initial spawn position |
| 05:59.30 | L4m3r | ;) |
| 05:59.33 | Constitution | might as well put it into the server if we're modifying it already, imho |
| 05:59.37 | Bulldozer | True. |
| 05:59.46 | Bulldozer | L4m3r: True |
| 06:00.08 | Bulldozer | L4m3r: It would have to be the same as the exit teleport |
| 06:00.32 | L4m3r | no, it'd have to be at the entry teleport on the new server |
| 06:00.39 | L4m3r | not necessarily the same |
| 06:00.43 | Constitution | are the devs cool with the concept design-wise? |
| 06:00.55 | Bulldozer | L4m3r: Depending on which way you look at it... |
| 06:01.03 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15528 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (6 files in 3 dirs): OperationDriveThrough/drivethrough() implemented. |
| 06:01.15 | L4m3r | I don't see any issue conceptually |
| 06:01.27 | Epyon | Now let's try to see what happens if the sidewalks will be drivethrough :) |
| 06:01.27 | Constitution | I think it's even in the todo IIRC |
| 06:01.29 | L4m3r | I'm not sure how you'd justify the effort, though |
| 06:01.33 | Bulldozer | It probably wouldn't be a highly used feature... |
| 06:01.35 | L4m3r | it's an idea |
| 06:01.44 | L4m3r | but there's no way to sync that in a quick fashion |
| 06:01.49 | Bulldozer | Seeing as how it would require agreement between server admins for it to work. |
| 06:01.50 | rtfm | I don't see a real practical purpose for it |
| 06:02.19 | rtfm | I'd rather see something like the ability to divide a single server process into sections defined by the map file |
| 06:02.28 | rtfm | then have teleporters go between those sections |
| 06:03.00 | Bulldozer | rtfm: Incidentally, you could do that with an inter-server teleporter |
| 06:03.49 | L4m3r | actually that's a really good idea, rtfm |
| 06:04.12 | Bulldozer | rtfm: It wouldn't matter if it were separate sections of a process, or multiple processes... You could use the same method for both. |
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| 06:05.03 | rtfm | Bulldozer: still, it's a different process for going to a seperate server |
| 06:05.09 | rtfm | different port, different socket |
| 06:05.31 | Bulldozer | Not if the different sections ran on separate ports... |
| 06:06.50 | L4m3r | they wouldn't |
| 06:07.04 | Bulldozer | It would depend on if you wanted to actually visualize multiple sections simultaneously, I guess. |
| 06:07.08 | Bulldozer | That would be a lot of work. |
| 06:07.11 | L4m3r | we'd be able to send rough map data for the whole cluster to the client |
| 06:07.28 | L4m3r | but filter tank info and such |
| 06:08.00 | L4m3r | so there could realistically be a hundred tanks or more on one "server" |
| 06:08.09 | Bulldozer | Barring bandwidth... |
| 06:08.11 | Bulldozer | Hmm. Interesting thoughts. |
| 06:08.12 | Constitution | L4m3r: I don't see why that couldn't be done for multiple servers |
| 06:08.29 | Constitution | the "host" bzfs could download this "rough map data" on startup, and have it on hand |
| 06:08.33 | L4m3r | Constitution: because smoothing the transition would be impossible |
| 06:08.51 | Bulldozer | L4m3r: You're right. |
| 06:09.18 | Bulldozer | L4m3r: Hence why I was thinking inter-server would be more akin to joining and leaving a game. |
| 06:09.25 | L4m3r | yeah, it would |
| 06:09.40 | Bulldozer | I'll look at the code and see how practical either might be. |
| 06:09.41 | Bulldozer | gtg |
| 06:09.51 | L4m3r | and that's the problem... all the networking would be a mess, and there'd be a delay of many seconds, best case |
| 06:10.21 | Bulldozer | Networking mess, no. Delay, yes. |
| 06:10.54 | L4m3r | networking would get messy with efforts to reduce the delay |
| 06:11.48 | L4m3r | precaching map data would be a pain, and even then you'd still have to get synched with tank data |
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| 06:17.53 | pogi | nice |
| 06:18.13 | pogi | help! |
| 06:18.13 | pogi | ;) |
| 06:18.18 | rtfm | with? |
| 06:18.34 | pogi | great..rtfm... |
| 06:18.43 | jude- | lol |
| 06:18.46 | jude- | did you? |
| 06:18.57 | pogi | i'm just getting started using compiled libraries in *nix/macos |
| 06:19.00 | pogi | well.. i dont have a manual |
| 06:19.05 | pogi | =p |
| 06:19.13 | pogi | i just want some pointers where to find tutorials or something |
| 06:19.17 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15529 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (rules/sidewalk.set src/Mesh.cxx src/bzwgen.cxx): Added -w (-sidewalk) option for making sidewalks passable :) |
| 06:19.23 | jude- | tutorials to do....what? |
| 06:19.24 | JeffM | pogi, for our game? |
| 06:19.27 | Epyon | Who wanted those passible sidewalks? :D |
| 06:19.42 | pogi | by god searching for "how to link precompiled unix in google comes up with a lot of non-tutorial stuff |
| 06:19.45 | JeffM | or are you looking for geneeral C++ help? |
| 06:19.46 | pogi | oh... for libirc |
| 06:19.46 | pogi | ;) |
| 06:19.56 | JeffM | this is not the channel for that |
| 06:20.07 | pogi | it says so right in a file from libirc |
| 06:20.16 | JeffM | it does? |
| 06:20.21 | JeffM | this channel is about bzflag, the game |
| 06:20.27 | pogi | Jeff: yes i am aware. |
| 06:20.35 | JeffM | come to #libIRC |
| 06:20.41 | Epyon | JeffM, actually about deving the game :P |
| 06:21.00 | pogi | "The primary and generally preferred mechanisms for interactive developer discussions is via IRC. Several of the core developers and users of libIRC hang out in #brlcad and #bzflag on the Freenode network." |
| 06:21.01 | JeffM | Epyon, it is also about support for the game too |
| 06:21.08 | Epyon | True :) |
| 06:21.19 | JeffM | pogi, yes we hang out here, that does not mean this is the channel for it |
| 06:21.33 | pogi | "With most any irc client you should be able to join #brlcad or #bzflag on irc.freenode.net, port 6667. See http://brlcad.org/irc and http://irchelp.org for more information"..... |
| 06:21.35 | pogi | lol |
| 06:21.37 | JeffM | libIRC is not used often enough to warrant a full time channel |
| 06:21.37 | pogi | theres nobody in libirc |
| 06:21.42 | pogi | =/ |
| 06:21.44 | JeffM | yes there is |
| 06:21.47 | JeffM | look again |
| 06:21.54 | pogi | =p |
| 06:22.02 | pogi | real funny.... |
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| 06:24.00 | Epyon | Constitution, there's now a -w option for making sidewalks drivethrough, you might give it a spin on next update :) |
| 06:24.11 | Constitution | oh, cool |
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| 06:25.17 | Epyon | lol, me never knows when people write "oh, cool" wheter it means "yeah, whatever" or "I like it!" :P |
| 06:25.56 | Constitution | ~Epyon++ |
| 06:25.57 | Constitution | :) |
| 06:26.06 | jude- | ~Epyon++ |
| 06:26.27 | Epyon | lol, this is less prone to misunderstanding xP |
| 06:26.38 | Epyon | jude-, check cia.vc :) |
| 06:27.29 | Epyon | judecn = 130 messages since the first one, 2.96 months ago, for an average of 16.41 hours between messages |
| 06:27.40 | Epyon | Lool: |
| 06:27.44 | Epyon | Epyon = 423 messages since the first one, 1.5 months ago, for an average of 2.56 hours between messages |
| 06:27.46 | Epyon | xD |
| 06:27.57 | jude- | ya |
| 06:28.11 | Epyon | But : 413 messages so far this month, 10 messages last month :P |
| 06:28.18 | jude- | heh |
| 06:28.46 | jude- | I commit more slowly |
| 06:28.54 | jude- | for better or worse |
| 06:29.01 | Epyon | Yeah, and I do atomic commits, so that doesn't count :) |
| 06:29.28 | Epyon | For worse imho. Remember the old chinese wisdom "Commit early, commit often" xP |
| 06:29.33 | jude- | lol |
| 06:30.08 | jude- | "...but not to often to break the build or produce something unstable/unusable/crash-prone/etc" |
| 06:30.34 | Epyon | afaik unstable is ok. |
| 06:30.53 | JeffM | it's dev code |
| 06:30.54 | Epyon | it just should be compileable when you commit/ |
| 06:30.55 | JeffM | break it |
| 06:30.56 | jude- | I won't commit something that I know hangs the system, segfaults, DDoS's the host machine, etc |
| 06:31.09 | Epyon | lol |
| 06:31.12 | JeffM | jude-, then how do you expect to work with other people on it? |
| 06:31.16 | Epyon | lol@DDoS :P |
| 06:31.28 | jude- | JeffM: good question |
| 06:31.30 | JeffM | this isn't a school project, your not alone |
| 06:31.38 | JeffM | that was our big flaw in SoC |
| 06:31.42 | jude- | I guess I should pick up the pace |
| 06:31.44 | JeffM | having you all just go off and do your ownthings |
| 06:31.50 | JeffM | it's not all about you ;) |
| 06:31.57 | jude- | right |
| 06:32.09 | jude- | but unfortunately, GSoC had a way of encouraging that :/ |
| 06:32.15 | JeffM | for BZWB, we shoudl have been doing the interface specifics, as you hooked up the back end for us |
| 06:32.27 | JeffM | well it can if you take the easy way out |
| 06:32.29 | JeffM | and we did |
| 06:32.45 | JeffM | the point is, your suposed to do the majority of the work of your proposed porject |
| 06:32.52 | Epyon | JeffM, well not exactly - I could ask off-topic newbie C++ questions on this channel, and even JeffM didn't yell at me for that, that's something :D |
| 06:32.54 | jude- | not all of it? |
| 06:33.05 | JeffM | your propsal could have just said, that you'd do the basic interface and we'd do the rest |
| 06:33.25 | JeffM | jude-, it's open source, if they wanted you to do it all, they'd not have attached you to existing projects; |
| 06:33.42 | JeffM | you just had to do the majority of the work you said you'd do |
| 06:33.48 | jude- | I see |
| 06:33.56 | JeffM | that dosn't mean we can't also work on it at the same time |
| 06:34.01 | JeffM | we just should not do your work for you |
| 06:34.07 | jude- | right |
| 06:34.11 | JeffM | that's why used the UI as an example |
| 06:34.16 | JeffM | you made the UI framework |
| 06:34.24 | JeffM | and could have just kept doing the back end |
| 06:34.34 | JeffM | and we could have done the dialog and UI specifics |
| 06:34.38 | Epyon | JeffM, it would be harder to pull that example with my project I think :/ |
| 06:34.41 | jude- | ...that's what my mentor and I agreed for me to focus on--the back-end |
| 06:34.47 | JeffM | in the end you'd have done prety much the same work |
| 06:34.59 | JeffM | well your mentor was not the best person to do |
| 06:35.13 | jude- | to do....what? |
| 06:35.18 | Epyon | BTW, who was who's mentor? |
| 06:35.19 | JeffM | Epyon, yes, yours woudl have been harder, but we could have been understanding your rules, and doing rulesets and stuff, |
| 06:35.37 | JeffM | Epyon, and doing little things, like hooking up your command line interpereter and stuff |
| 06:35.48 | JeffM | on all the projects we could have been more involved |
| 06:35.50 | JeffM | but we wen't |
| 06:35.54 | JeffM | and that's our fualt |
| 06:36.10 | Epyon | BTW, JeffM, you shouted at me for using bison/flex as a dependency but seems that using OSG FLTK is a much worse dependency :P |
| 06:36.24 | Epyon | jude-, no offence :) |
| 06:36.26 | JeffM | you guys never realy got to see how regular open source dev works, doing merges, and having other people change your code. |
| 06:36.28 | jude- | none taken |
| 06:36.56 | JeffM | Epyon, in some respects yeah,I'd prefer if he didn't |
| 06:36.58 | jude- | JeffM: GSoC terms and conditions explicitly state that the students must be the primary and sole code contributors |
| 06:37.00 | JeffM | I understand why he did |
| 06:37.06 | Epyon | jude-, who was your mentor? |
| 06:37.07 | JeffM | jus as I understood why you did |
| 06:37.12 | jude- | Epyon: purple_cow |
| 06:37.29 | Epyon | What about daxxar and L4m3r? |
| 06:37.31 | JeffM | cus the point of that arguement was for you to explain your use of bison, and you were unable to |
| 06:37.42 | JeffM | jude was able to explain his use of fltk and osg |
| 06:38.02 | L4m3r | jude- took a while deciding, too |
| 06:38.07 | JeffM | external libs are often needed, nature of the beast |
| 06:38.11 | Epyon | JeffM, to be honest I think now it explains itself, but yeah, I didn't have strong arguments back then :/ |
| 06:38.18 | L4m3r | so I'd say it was well thought-out, despite the PITA factor |
| 06:38.19 | jude- | JeffM: ...but once GSoC is over, that annoyance goes away (and the point of GSoC is to encourage prolonged development with the team) |
| 06:38.25 | JeffM | you were unable to explain it in a way that was understandable |
| 06:38.27 | jude- | aww, thanks guys :) |
| 06:38.42 | JeffM | and I was unable to understand the cost/benifit of it at the time |
| 06:38.52 | JeffM | the cost/benifit of FLTK and OSG I understood |
| 06:39.06 | JeffM | it is more in line with what I am experinced with |
| 06:39.18 | JeffM | Epyon, I still don't know what grammar means |
| 06:39.38 | JeffM | the problem you have is, you assume people understand your terms at an acedemic level |
| 06:40.10 | Epyon | JeffM, I'm in the process of writing a paper on BZWgen, might check that out when it's completed :) |
| 06:40.23 | JeffM | Epyon, honestly, I don't realy care that much about it |
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| 06:40.45 | JeffM | we worked out a way to get your dependency down to something reasonable |
| 06:40.55 | JeffM | for BZWG, that's going to be a lot harder |
| 06:41.04 | Epyon | ? |
| 06:41.10 | Epyon | BZWG? |
| 06:41.12 | JeffM | due to how integrated FLTK and OSG are |
| 06:41.18 | JeffM | sorry BZWB |
| 06:41.19 | Epyon | WB*? |
| 06:41.25 | JeffM | too many acroynms |
| 06:41.31 | jude- | lol |
| 06:41.49 | Epyon | BZWG would be bzwgen :P |
| 06:41.49 | JeffM | with bison, it was a relitively simple matter to include the needed files. |
| 06:41.55 | JeffM | since you only had 3 files that were dependent |
| 06:42.17 | JeffM | so that's a little work for a goodly sided pay off, of making it build out of the box |
| 06:42.42 | JeffM | we'll have to work out the makefile for it to auto detect bison to make it cleaner later, but what is there now seems to work |
| 06:42.45 | Epyon | JeffM, the advantage of the bison dependency was that it wasn't needed to RUN just to build. |
| 06:43.04 | JeffM | dosn't matter |
| 06:43.13 | JeffM | it was only 3 files that we could include |
| 06:43.14 | JeffM | that's it |
| 06:43.28 | JeffM | with OSG and FLTK, it's way more files then we could include |
| 06:43.38 | JeffM | so there is on easy solution for that |
| 06:43.42 | Epyon | No problems reported on linux as yet, and as for windows, I guess there should be none too if downloading the linked in the README ones. |
| 06:43.44 | JeffM | it'll have to be external |
| 06:43.57 | JeffM | Epyon, there are issues on osx |
| 06:44.09 | JeffM | most nix users won't be modifying the language files |
| 06:44.13 | Epyon | JeffM, I know, we're working on it. |
| 06:44.15 | JeffM | so we can make configure detect bison |
| 06:44.27 | JeffM | if it dosn't have bison, it'll use the ones in svn |
| 06:44.33 | JeffM | if it has it, it'll generate them, etc. |
| 06:44.41 | JeffM | then best of both worlds for everyone :) |
| 06:45.17 | JeffM | for BZWB I think we are going to have to make and package up some 3rd party bin kits for it |
| 06:45.22 | Epyon | Yet it should print a warning if it doesn't detect bison, so people don't wonder why the .y and .l files weren't recompiled. |
| 06:45.37 | jude- | JeffM: indeed |
| 06:45.38 | JeffM | sure, that's just log stuff |
| 06:45.43 | JeffM | bikeshed |
| 06:46.07 | JeffM | for BZWB it needs more work then WG, as it's a much larger project |
| 06:46.12 | Epyon | BTW, I insist the bikeshed to be blue. |
| 06:46.17 | jude- | lol |
| 06:46.18 | JeffM | yea you would |
| 06:46.34 | JeffM | we'll all work on WB for a while till it gets dialed in |
| 06:46.58 | JeffM | eventlay I forsee all the build systems geting replaced |
| 06:47.17 | JeffM | with something more like the configure/make/make install that we do in regular BZ |
| 06:47.22 | JeffM | just to make it consistent |
| 06:47.31 | jude- | that's be cool |
| 06:47.49 | JeffM | bzwg will progably go the way of modeltool |
| 06:48.06 | JeffM | and be locked down prety early with only small changes to the rule system. |
| 06:48.41 | JeffM | WB has a more dynamic lifespan ahead just due to the fact that it's interactive and people will want to mod it to do more stuff. |
| 06:48.50 | JeffM | and has a wider audience |
| 06:49.11 | JeffM | sure, a prefab libary, etc.. |
| 06:49.14 | JeffM | there is a lot we can do |
| 06:49.20 | JeffM | and alot of ideas to pull from other apps |
| 06:49.27 | JeffM | WG is prety much unique |
| 06:49.31 | JeffM | that makes it cool |
| 06:49.35 | jude- | heh |
| 06:49.37 | JeffM | but limits what we can do with it |
| 06:49.59 | jude- | it's pretty easy to hack the UI...I just haven't gotten to it yet :/ |
| 06:50.15 | JeffM | the big things I have planed for WG, are simply making it act as plugin for BZFS |
| 06:50.19 | JeffM | and C++ based ruels |
| 06:50.21 | JeffM | then that's it |
| 06:50.36 | JeffM | jude-, like I siad, it's not just your project |
| 06:50.44 | jude- | right |
| 06:50.44 | JeffM | others will bang on the UI |
| 06:50.46 | *** part/#bzflag pogi (n=pogi@71.5.17.106.ptr.us.xo.net) |
| 06:50.52 | JeffM | so concentrate on the back end if you want |
| 06:50.56 | JeffM | don't feel you have to do it all |
| 06:51.06 | jude- | that statement was out of context |
| 06:51.12 | jude- | sorry |
| 06:51.21 | JeffM | heh |
| 06:51.34 | JeffM | for WB we have to come up with a UI design plan |
| 06:51.42 | jude- | indeed |
| 06:52.02 | jude- | maybe a HID? |
| 06:52.02 | JeffM | I was going to make it work like the next gen BZEdit I had |
| 06:52.12 | JeffM | and then we can see where we can go from there |
| 06:52.23 | Epyon | JeffM, if it'd be a standard plugin for bzfs with the possibility to generate like the old random maps (launching setver from client) it would be much more popular. |
| 06:52.29 | JeffM | BZEdit is based on lightwave for the most part, and it's a simewhat intutive interface |
| 06:52.41 | JeffM | Epyon, that's exactly what I'll do to it |
| 06:52.50 | jude- | I'll have to try lightwave out sometime |
| 06:52.53 | Epyon | JeffM, that would be... wornderfull :) |
| 06:52.57 | JeffM | Epyon, it's not hard |
| 06:53.30 | JeffM | just a couple etnry points instead of main, a new build target, and dumping the map to a string instead of a file |
| 06:53.39 | Epyon | JeffM, what'd be also cool is for the client to set up some basic params too. Like an alternative ruleset (I'll probably do one) |
| 06:54.02 | JeffM | it's trivial to do cusotm / commands in a plug-in |
| 06:54.27 | Epyon | But it would have to be a client-side plugin then? o.O |
| 06:54.30 | JeffM | no |
| 06:54.45 | lepoulpe303 | help ! when compiling bzfs vith ms vs8 , i have a crash with libcurl ; anyone has a clue ? |
| 06:54.47 | JeffM | / commands are sent from the client to the server in chat |
| 06:54.55 | Epyon | Aaah. |
| 06:54.59 | JeffM | lepoulpe303, what version of libcurl? |
| 06:55.17 | lepoulpe303 | i tried the one shipped with 2.0.8 and the latest one |
| 06:55.20 | JeffM | Epyon, so clietts jsut send /whatever data data data |
| 06:55.35 | JeffM | lepoulpe303, where did oyu get the lib and headers from? |
| 06:56.01 | JeffM | and what code are you building? 2.0.x or 2.1? |
| 06:56.20 | lepoulpe303 | latest svn version |
| 06:56.25 | JeffM | so 2.1? |
| 06:56.27 | lepoulpe303 | (trunk) |
| 06:56.29 | lepoulpe303 | yep |
| 06:56.37 | JeffM | that's not compatable with 2.0.x you know |
| 06:56.45 | JeffM | and it has bugs in the list server stuff |
| 06:56.50 | JeffM | it's development code |
| 06:57.21 | lepoulpe303 | JeffM: i'm trying to put myself in bzflag (and c++) dev |
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| 06:57.37 | JeffM | well then there ya go, ya got a bug |
| 06:57.45 | JeffM | I don't think anyones realy tracked it down much |
| 06:58.41 | lepoulpe303 | following brlcad advice, iwas planning to update patches first, as a beginning |
| 06:58.51 | JeffM | a good place to start |
| 06:58.59 | lepoulpe303 | i did it on bzadmin but have no server to test the mod |
| 06:59.13 | JeffM | for this problem, I'd slap a breakpoint in there and track that bug down |
| 06:59.24 | JeffM | that's what debugers for made for :) |
| 07:00.50 | lepoulpe303 | :) |
| 07:02.12 | AWOSLappy | um, I was pinged, but the backlog doesn't go back far enough. |
| 07:02.40 | Constitution | In 2.1 many classes that inherit from bz_EventData call freePlayerRecord in their own destructors, right? |
| 07:03.07 | lepoulpe303 | JeffM: looks like it will be a painful road :D |
| 07:03.42 | AWOSLappy | jude-! |
| 07:03.52 | jude- | AWOSLappy! |
| 07:04.25 | jude- | what's up? |
| 07:04.28 | JeffM | lepoulpe303, welcome to development |
| 07:04.43 | JeffM | Constitution, shold not be that many |
| 07:04.54 | JeffM | only the few that include a player record |
| 07:04.59 | JeffM | like 4 or so I think |
| 07:05.17 | JeffM | update, join, part, etc.. |
| 07:06.08 | Constitution | k... Enigma mentioned on the forums that thiefControl doesn't call it... I thought it was probably called in the bz_FlagTransferredEventData_V1 destructor... lemme check |
| 07:06.11 | lepoulpe303 | JeffM: lol ; i'm a professional programmer for years ; but c++ is rather terra incognita for me ;) |
| 07:06.14 | JeffM | yeah I saw that |
| 07:06.28 | JeffM | if the record is passed as part of the event, the free will be internl |
| 07:06.47 | JeffM | the free fucntion is only when the plugin itself gets a new record |
| 07:06.56 | Constitution | okay... gotcha |
| 07:07.07 | JeffM | basicly on windows, you can't have the dll allocate something and the main app free it |
| 07:07.19 | JeffM | so when you ask for a player record, you ask BZFS to allocate one |
| 07:07.26 | JeffM | since BZFS allocated it, it has to free it |
| 07:07.28 | JeffM | hence the call |
| 07:07.47 | daxxar | Epyon: Wat about us!? |
| 07:07.48 | JeffM | since we don't know when the plugoin is done with it |
| 07:08.03 | JeffM | for the events, we know when they are done, when the callbacks are done, so we free it |
| 07:08.09 | Epyon | daxxar, who was your mentor :) |
| 07:08.16 | JeffM | lepoulpe303, what did you programin? |
| 07:08.24 | daxxar | Epyon: My mentor was amcnabb (but he disappeared), and later brlcad |
| 07:08.31 | AWOSLappy | jude-: playing with bzwb :D |
| 07:08.36 | jude- | hehe |
| 07:08.40 | jude- | don't expect much |
| 07:08.47 | AWOSLappy | jude-: I got it to run, but erm, I can't figure out how to add bases and stuff. |
| 07:08.59 | JeffM | Constitution, the code in that post is just wrong |
| 07:09.06 | AWOSLappy | I only expect to be able to make some kind of strange world. |
| 07:09.08 | jude- | clicking one of the four base icons doesn't create one? |
| 07:09.12 | JeffM | you can't cast a playerID to a player record |
| 07:09.16 | AWOSLappy | jude-: it makes arrows. |
| 07:09.17 | JeffM | that's just crashtastic |
| 07:09.18 | lepoulpe303 | JeffM: vb, python, a few c# |
| 07:09.23 | Constitution | JeffM: oh |
| 07:09.27 | JeffM | ahh, scripters |
| 07:09.32 | jude- | AWOSLappy: any weird errors on the console? |
| 07:09.32 | JeffM | Constitution, a player ID is an int |
| 07:09.43 | AWOSLappy | jude-: There isn't a console. |
| 07:09.44 | JeffM | int != class ;) |
| 07:09.53 | Constitution | do tell ;) |
| 07:09.56 | jude- | ...cause that's a sign that not all of OSG is in place (it's missing the PNG file loader plug-in) |
| 07:10.10 | JeffM | remind me tomrow and I can look at the code in svn |
| 07:10.13 | JeffM | I have to sleep |
| 07:10.20 | JeffM | but if that's what's in his patch, that's wrong |
| 07:10.23 | AWOSLappy | jude-: Oh teh noez. |
| 07:10.29 | JeffM | if it's what is in SVN, it's REALY wrong |
| 07:10.35 | AWOSLappy | jude-: blast007 build OSG. |
| 07:10.35 | JeffM | and that plugoin jsut dosn't work |
| 07:10.39 | JeffM | it's late |
| 07:10.42 | JeffM | see ya all around |
| 07:10.42 | jude- | AWOSLappy: are you trying the windoze version? |
| 07:10.43 | AWOSLappy | Goodnight, JeffM :) |
| 07:10.44 | AWOSLappy | Thanks! |
| 07:10.49 | Constitution | night JeffM |
| 07:10.51 | AWOSLappy | jude-: yes |
| 07:10.53 | jude- | night JeffM |
| 07:10.55 | jude- | lol |
| 07:11.00 | jude- | that explains a lot |
| 07:11.25 | jude- | it seems blast007 might have forgotten that plug-in |
| 07:11.32 | jude- | ...but strangely he got it to work on his box |
| 07:11.52 | AWOSLappy | blast007: pingy! |
| 07:12.47 | AWOSLappy | Oh, the PNG, jude-, it works |
| 07:12.59 | AWOSLappy | I have the grass texture, it just doesn't build right with DEBUG |
| 07:13.04 | jude- | zooming in doesn't show a flat base? |
| 07:13.09 | AWOSLappy | no. |
| 07:13.16 | AWOSLappy | Sending request to tinypic.com... |
| 07:13.22 | AWOSLappy | http://i10.tinypic.com/68mhted.png |
| 07:14.14 | jude- | are all the textures in place? |
| 07:14.19 | jude- | i.e. under bzworkbench/share? |
| 07:14.38 | AWOSLappy | I'll try and..erm..nixify the paths |
| 07:14.54 | AWOSLappy | /home/awilcox/Projects/bzwb/BZWorkbench.exe |
| 07:15.03 | AWOSLappy | /home/awilcox/Projects/bzwb/share/* |
| 07:15.11 | jude- | that's correct |
| 07:15.12 | AWOSLappy | That is how it is supposed to be, right? |
| 07:15.14 | AWOSLappy | Okay. |
| 07:15.32 | jude- | just out of curiosity, are you running that in a VM? |
| 07:15.44 | AWOSLappy | i.e. Projects/bzwb/share/base/red_basetop.png |
| 07:15.44 | jude- | ...cause it looks a lot like KDE in the pic |
| 07:15.47 | AWOSLappy | jude-: no. |
| 07:15.48 | AWOSLappy | lol |
| 07:15.51 | Epyon | lol |
| 07:15.57 | AWOSLappy | everyone thinks I'm in Linux XD |
| 07:15.58 | AWOSLappy | I love it. |
| 07:16.06 | jude- | it *looks* like KDE |
| 07:16.09 | AWOSLappy | jude-: it's Plastik for Windows XP. Comes with iconsets and all. |
| 07:16.12 | Epyon | poor *nix users don't know the powah of WinXP themes :P |
| 07:16.13 | jude- | KDE windows skin....not right |
| 07:16.36 | AWOSLappy | jude-: I don't have the option of *nix on this box, so I make it at least _seem_ like home. |
| 07:16.37 | Epyon | jude-, there are windows nix skins, so why not? xP |
| 07:16.50 | jude- | Epyon: but who seriously uses them? |
| 07:16.56 | jude- | >.> |
| 07:16.57 | jude- | <.< |
| 07:16.58 | AWOSLappy | yeah, Epyon's right, jude-, don't forget Redmond95 :P |
| 07:17.08 | AWOSLappy | jude-: erm, my mum :P |
| 07:17.13 | jude- | rofl |
| 07:17.32 | Epyon | It's not our fault that the default WinXP skins suck :P |
| 07:17.48 | jude- | lol |
| 07:18.04 | AWOSLappy | also, this is a RADEON 7000, I cannot play bzflag in Linux ;_; |
| 07:18.16 | jude- | you can't? |
| 07:18.16 | Epyon | jude-, I have no choice :( |
| 07:18.18 | AWOSLappy | nor flightgear, bzwb, SimCity, or any other nice software. |
| 07:18.32 | AWOSLappy | jude-: well, I can, I have screenshots of FPS: 0 |
| 07:18.37 | jude- | lol |
| 07:18.56 | AWOSLappy | time was ~700ms |
| 07:18.58 | jude- | I seriously don't know why that happens in your pic |
| 07:19.17 | jude- | try running it from the console |
| 07:19.22 | AWOSLappy | um, okay |
| 07:19.25 | jude- | and see if any weird error messages pop u |
| 07:19.27 | jude- | *up |
| 07:19.37 | AWOSLappy | jude-: FYI, File->Exit does nothing |
| 07:19.42 | jude- | I know |
| 07:19.43 | AWOSLappy | I had to "X" it. |
| 07:19.44 | jude- | it's not implemented |
| 07:20.17 | jude- | anyone here know discrete math? |
| 07:20.28 | Epyon | jude-, a little, say your problem |
| 07:20.32 | AWOSLappy | jude-: hehe: #ifdef WIN32 PostQuitMessage(0); #else exit(0); #endif |
| 07:20.49 | jude- | Epyon: if T is a complete k-ary tree with i internal nodes, how many total nodes does T have? |
| 07:21.02 | Epyon | k'ary? |
| 07:21.08 | jude- | i.e. each node has k children |
| 07:21.09 | Epyon | log_k(i) ? |
| 07:21.24 | Epyon | arr that's the height |
| 07:21.40 | jude- | "a complete k-ary tree is a rooted tree such that every parent has k ordered children" |
| 07:21.56 | Epyon | height = log_k(i) so... |
| 07:22.04 | jude- | log_k(i+1)? |
| 07:22.10 | AWOSLappy | jude-: running from a console "spawns" it |
| 07:22.15 | jude- | 0 internal nodes ==> 1 root node |
| 07:22.35 | AWOSLappy | jude-: only debug gets a console to print errors, (Windows && stderr) != TRUE |
| 07:22.39 | jude- | 1 internal node ==> 3 nodes total |
| 07:22.53 | jude- | AWOSLappy: that's problematic :/ |
| 07:22.56 | jude- | can you valgrind it? |
| 07:23.01 | jude- | or trace it |
| 07:23.01 | jude- | ? |
| 07:23.02 | AWOSLappy | jude-: on Windows?! |
| 07:23.07 | Epyon | jude-, that's a recursive problem :) |
| 07:23.08 | jude- | nm |
| 07:23.09 | AWOSLappy | jude-: I can plug it into Visual C++ debugger. |
| 07:23.15 | jude- | that might work :) |
| 07:23.17 | AWOSLappy | :) |
| 07:23.26 | AWOSLappy | What am I debugging? I attempted to do that already, but erm, not my code. |
| 07:23.30 | jude- | Epyon: I have to find the answer and then prove it correct |
| 07:23.43 | Epyon | jude-, I can solve you that but I would need to pull out some paper :P |
| 07:23.44 | AWOSLappy | I didn't want to take 3+ hours stepping through all the code to see what renders bases. |
| 07:23.52 | jude- | Epyon: I have plenty :) |
| 07:24.07 | jude- | AWOSLappy: just printing me out a debugging listing will be sufficient :) |
| 07:24.16 | AWOSLappy | jude-: listing O_o? |
| 07:24.28 | jude- | i.e. any output from VC's debugger |
| 07:24.29 | AWOSLappy | I need to know what file/function/etc. |
| 07:24.33 | AWOSLappy | oh. |
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| 07:24.37 | jude- | the whole thing :) |
| 07:25.13 | jude- | Epyon: I just need to know where to start |
| 07:25.37 | jude- | s/where/how |
| 07:25.59 | Epyon | jude -> k^(log_k(i)+1) |
| 07:26.13 | AWOSLappy | ew ew ew. |
| 07:26.14 | jude- | but i == number of internal nodes |
| 07:26.22 | Epyon | yep |
| 07:26.26 | jude- | 0 internal nodes ==> 1 root node |
| 07:26.36 | AWOSLappy | jude-: your process is spurious on Win32, I had to manually kill it (taking up 100% CPU after window was destroyed) |
| 07:26.45 | Epyon | log_k(i) = internal tree height |
| 07:26.56 | Epyon | log_k(i)+1 = full tree height |
| 07:27.12 | Epyon | k^m = amount of nodes on level m |
| 07:27.34 | jude- | but log_k(i) is irrational |
| 07:27.44 | jude- | i == 1 for 3 total nodes |
| 07:27.49 | jude- | i == 3 for 7 total nodes |
| 07:27.55 | jude- | i == 7 for 15 total nodes |
| 07:28.20 | AWOSLappy | this will sound incredibly stupid, and probably is. |
| 07:28.21 | jude- | ...and 3, 7, and 15-node trees are compete 2-ary |
| 07:28.35 | Epyon | err log_k is log based on k? |
| 07:28.36 | jude- | so it contradicts that premise |
| 07:28.39 | AWOSLappy | log_k(((i * 2) + 1)); |
| 07:28.50 | jude- | Epyon: I'm taking k=2 for this example |
| 07:29.36 | AWOSLappy | won't that work? |
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| 07:30.11 | jude- | why 2*i + 1? |
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| 07:30.26 | Epyon | yep, forgot one -1 |
| 07:30.33 | AWOSLappy | because |
| 07:30.36 | AWOSLappy | i = 1 for 3 |
| 07:30.38 | AWOSLappy | so |
| 07:30.42 | AWOSLappy | 1 * 2 + 1 = 3 |
| 07:30.45 | Epyon | n = 2^(h+1) -1 |
| 07:30.50 | jude- | you are assuming k = 2? |
| 07:30.52 | Epyon | n - nodes , h - height |
| 07:30.54 | Epyon | yes |
| 07:31.00 | Epyon | n = k^(h+1) -1 |
| 07:31.17 | jude- | right |
| 07:31.18 | AWOSLappy | oh wow. |
| 07:31.27 | jude- | thanks :) |
| 07:31.27 | AWOSLappy | do you mean I almost kind of solved this problem? |
| 07:31.39 | AWOSLappy | and I have no idea what you're even talking about? |
| 07:31.45 | jude- | AWOSLappy: depending on your definitionof "almost kind of" :) |
| 07:31.57 | Epyon | gj, jude- :P |
| 07:32.30 | jude- | ...where h = log_k(i+1) ? |
| 07:32.56 | Epyon | I guess ... my log-math is of very poor quality :P |
| 07:33.29 | jude- | thanks for your input...I should sleep and work on it tomorrow before its due :) |
| 07:36.11 | AWOSLappy | oh noooooooo! |
| 07:36.14 | AWOSLappy | he QUIT! |
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| 07:36.27 | AWOSLappy | can't believe this...now what do I do |
| 07:38.04 | Epyon | AWOSLappy, what about you, what time is it at your place? :P |
| 07:38.14 | AWOSLappy | 3:36am. |
| 07:44.39 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15530 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (7 files in 4 dirs): Work on antennas :P |
| 07:47.25 | AWOSLappy | antennas!? |
| 07:47.29 | AWOSLappy | for the buildings, you mean? |
| 07:48.18 | Epyon | yep :P |
| 07:48.29 | AWOSLappy | Neat. |
| 07:48.48 | AWOSLappy | you know, I think your map will be the very first game I play on my new rig :D |
| 07:49.46 | Epyon | :D |
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| 08:01.15 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15531 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Enhanced the antennas, and added the missing + operator to the language :P |
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| 10:24.54 | brlcad | Epyon: sure, but what new feature of bison are you actually using that requires it and what would the alternative be to get it to work -- not having to install another dependency most of the time reduces the support and maintenance burden, it all it takes is a couple code tweaks then it's generally worth it |
| 10:28.07 | Epyon | brlcad, parameter passing to yyparse. |
| 10:29.44 | Epyon | not to mention that the 1.28 bison produces warnings under gcc that can't be removed in any way. |
| 10:33.29 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15535 10/trunk/bzwgen/src/bzwgen.cxx: Proper line number in grammar syntax errors. |
| 10:35.05 | brlcad | trepan: you have a typematrix? |
| 10:35.26 | brlcad | i thought about getting one.. buddy of mine has one that wasn't too hard to get used to |
| 10:49.37 | Epyon | What's the explicit keyword? o.O |
| 10:50.06 | Chestal | prohibits a constructor to be used for automatic type conversions |
| 10:50.27 | Epyon | what's that good for o.O |
| 10:50.57 | Chestal | to avoid unexpected type conversions |
| 10:51.13 | brlcad | caught up with massive log |
| 10:51.22 | brlcad | attack of the jeff last night, wee |
| 10:51.44 | Chestal | Epyon: e.g. consider constructor of std::vector, takes an integer whichspecifies the number of elements |
| 10:51.51 | brlcad | Epyon: i'm not convinced that feature is worth the burden |
| 10:51.58 | Chestal | Epyon: without explicit, compiler yould automatically convert an int to a vector |
| 10:52.00 | brlcad | especially if that's the only one |
| 10:52.05 | Epyon | brlcad, I don't know how to do it without it :P |
| 10:52.13 | brlcad | that's a different problem :) |
| 10:52.43 | Epyon | Chestal, I see, thanks :) |
| 10:52.54 | Epyon | ~pw |
| 10:52.55 | ibot | i guess patches welcome is a common response by maintainers of Open Source products. It's roughly means "We don't have much time on our hands, so if you write that feature and send it to us we will likely roll it in. If you don't have the time to write it, we don't either. Stop asking for it." |
| 10:53.00 | Epyon | xD |
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| 11:19.56 | CBG` | something up with the bzbb? no quick reply.. names bold but not links.. |
| 11:25.50 | trepan | brlcad: i couldn't get used to the inconvenient ctrl key placement |
| 11:27.07 | trepan | so I did that flip around bit ... use the thumb keys for return (so i am not using one of their key selling features, the middle return key that avoids using the pinky for return) |
| 11:29.08 | trepan | but it does have nice key action, the grid placement is better than the standard skewed setup, and it's small |
| 11:39.11 | brlcad | flip around bit? |
| 11:39.20 | brlcad | hello lepoulpe303 |
| 11:39.54 | brlcad | ruskie: http://www.typematrix.com/ezr2030/index.html |
| 11:40.32 | ruskie | hmm looks nice... |
| 11:40.46 | brlcad | pretty slick keyboard |
| 11:40.57 | ruskie | to bad I hate the lappy like layout |
| 11:41.03 | ruskie | I want a big chunky keyboard... |
| 11:41.07 | ruskie | ibm model-m style |
| 11:41.56 | lepoulpe303 | brlcad: hey :) |
| 11:46.14 | trepan | brlcad: ya, i spun it around 180 degrees |
| 11:48.46 | trepan | gives me the 6x3 pattern for each hand, except for the double-vertical slot shift key (top right key is missing for my right hand in the spun config) |
| 11:50.49 | trepan | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/kb_layout.txt |
| 11:59.31 | donny_baker | Thumper_: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11388 |
| 12:03.34 | brlcad | that's a bit wicked |
| 12:05.24 | trepan | you can get used to it :) |
| 12:05.39 | trepan | it's mostly the dvorak layout, with some modal junk |
| 12:06.24 | brlcad | but with the spacebar up top? |
| 12:06.37 | trepan | ya |
| 12:06.47 | trepan | (but i use the 'SP' thumb keys) |
| 12:06.56 | brlcad | ah |
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| 12:21.02 | Thumper_ | donny_baker: thx |
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| 13:56.59 | daxxar | Hurrr |
| 13:56.59 | daxxar | wtf |
| 13:57.04 | daxxar | self: (-33.592098, 0.000000, 0.000000) angle: 225.901993 |
| 13:57.04 | daxxar | player 0: daxxar - (-41.759998, 39.220001, 0.000000) angle: 1.285480, bearing: -147.666175 |
| 13:57.09 | daxxar | And they'er basically on top of eachother. :p |
| 13:58.45 | daxxar | they're |
| 14:00.05 | daxxar | Ah. Haha. |
| 14:00.17 | daxxar | ZReply was sent as "X", same was YReply. :p |
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| 14:07.50 | Jafet | Pardon my Esperanto. |
| 14:08.04 | Jafet | What does "Error connecting to server." mean exactly? |
| 14:08.31 | blast007 | usually a timeout |
| 14:09.00 | Jafet | What is I'm getting it for every server I'm trying to connect to? |
| 14:09.12 | Jafet | s/is/if/ |
| 14:09.14 | blast007 | is your firewall blocking bzflag? |
| 14:09.21 | Jafet | Definitely not. |
| 14:09.39 | Jafet | It works fine on localhost, though strangely the local server is threatening to ban the local client for lag. |
| 14:09.48 | blast007 | Jafet: try to connect to bzexcess.com port 5154, and I'll see if you show up in my logs |
| 14:09.51 | blast007 | hmm |
| 14:10.28 | Jafet | Hmm, it works now. |
| 14:10.44 | Jafet | Think it's the stupid ADSL, it's always runny. |
| 14:12.17 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r15538 10/trunk/bzworkbench/MSVC/VC7.1/BZWorkbench.vcproj: Rendering the map objects also needs osgdb_obj.dll |
| 14:12.25 | Jafet | Ooh, it's got custom meshes. |
| 14:13.42 | blast007 | awilcox: try that when you get around to it |
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| 14:43.31 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r15539 10/trunk/db/bzfls2/bzfls.php: Start on CHECKTOKEN code |
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| 15:31.34 | daxxar | Waaaitfoooriiiit! |
| 15:31.38 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03daxxar * r15540 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzrobots/ (17 files): (log message trimmed) |
| 15:31.38 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Started working on SimpleRobot, which does simplistic aiming and turning. |
| 15:31.38 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Extended Tank to include velocity and angular velocity. |
| 15:31.38 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Added a lot of commands/replies to the factory (whoops). |
| 15:31.38 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Fixed GetY, GetZ. |
| 15:31.40 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Added MessageUtilities::overflow<T>(val, min, max). |
| 15:31.42 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Added StalkBot, which just turns and drives towards the first player to join. |
| 15:31.42 | ruskie | asplode!!! |
| 15:32.07 | daxxar | BZFlag: Added TurretBot, which stays still and shoots at random players. |
| 15:32.20 | daxxar | BZFLag: Threw around some const & mutable. |
| 15:32.32 | ruskie | would be nice to have a turret flag... |
| 15:32.52 | ruskie | makes you a turret but can rotate 360 and aim up down instead of moving |
| 15:34.51 | ruskie | and maybe just a bit lower than a normal bullet so that one needs to shoot when one lands to just be able to hit it... |
| 15:36.31 | ruskie | daxxar, got any of these bots on any server? |
| 15:36.35 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r15541 10/trunk/db/bzfls2/bzfls.php: Add commenting to the CHECKTOKENS block, use for instead of foreach, and parse groups |
| 15:38.44 | daxxar | ruskie: They're horrible opponents. ;-) |
| 15:38.59 | daxxar | ruskie: Esp. on anything but 'empty_world.bzw' |
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| 15:41.27 | daxxar | Anyway, eat. |
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| 16:06.48 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r15542 10/trunk/db/bzfls2/ (bzfls.php config.php.template includes/datalayer.class.php): Pass a configuration array to DataLayer's constructor, add the DataLayer connection to CHECKTOKENS |
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| 16:51.21 | Deepa | THE First Comment my classmates did about BZFlag was: DAMN, This IS fun. |
| 16:52.02 | Deepa | second comment, WHAT THE HELL IS THAT THING? (guided missile) |
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| 16:52.44 | ruskie | lol |
| 16:53.12 | Deepa | Laser with Ricochet equalled into alot of laughs |
| 16:53.28 | ruskie | :) |
| 16:53.41 | Deepa | I singlehandedly annhiliated 84% of the map |
| 16:54.26 | ruskie | can do the same with a gm :) |
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| 17:03.43 | Deepa | which reminds me |
| 17:03.48 | Deepa | gotta get a real IRC client |
| 17:03.48 | Deepa | brb |
| 17:04.22 | Birdie | it isnt hard to dodge a gm |
| 17:04.28 | Birdie | mostly |
| 17:04.38 | Birdie | unless the shots are to fast to dodge it |
| 17:05.29 | Chestal | well, it becomes harder if the shooter dynamically locks/unlocks |
| 17:07.22 | Epyon | Hmm, actually what's the difference between struct and class? Except inheritance? |
| 17:08.05 | Epyon | What are the advantages of using a struct with methods instead of a class? |
| 17:10.10 | daxxar | RCRobotPlayer::doUpdateMotion() needs to be fixed a bit. :S |
| 17:14.41 | Chestal | Epyon: only difference is that for a struct all members are public by default while for a class they are private (same for inheritance) |
| 17:15.25 | Chestal | usually you only use a struct if you want to allow direct access to all data members |
| 17:15.55 | Epyon | Chestal, so there's no syntactic difference in using a class and struct? |
| 17:16.05 | Chestal | no |
| 17:16.15 | Epyon | Also there's no additional overhead of using a class over a struct? |
| 17:17.00 | Chestal | no. If you explicitly specify all public/protected/privat access, they are 100% identical |
| 17:17.07 | Epyon | Thanks, that clears matters for me *much* :) |
| 17:18.40 | TD-Linux | Epyon, your new map with octagon buildings looks AWESOME! |
| 17:18.51 | Epyon | Thanks :) |
| 17:18.59 | TD-Linux | collision is bugged though |
| 17:19.07 | donny_baker | doesn't it... I "played" it yesterdat |
| 17:19.08 | Epyon | Collision on what? |
| 17:19.18 | TD-Linux | when there are two antennas on a roof of a buliding, try driving around them |
| 17:19.28 | TD-Linux | also, I often get stuck near the roof in midair |
| 17:19.32 | TD-Linux | err |
| 17:19.33 | Epyon | Ah, antennas... |
| 17:19.37 | TD-Linux | stuck near roofs |
| 17:19.43 | TD-Linux | this was before you added antennas |
| 17:19.48 | TD-Linux | and it still happens |
| 17:19.55 | TD-Linux | mostly near 1-story buildings |
| 17:19.56 | TD-Linux | I have screenies |
| 17:20.10 | Epyon | KK, I'll take a look |
| 17:20.16 | TD-Linux | you don't become stealed... you suddenly just get stuck and hang in midair |
| 17:20.22 | TD-Linux | *sealed |
| 17:20.25 | TD-Linux | I can show you |
| 17:20.29 | Epyon | BTW, did you try the new -w option? :P |
| 17:20.31 | TD-Linux | Constitution's server? |
| 17:20.51 | TD-Linux | nno |
| 17:20.57 | TD-Linux | I saw the new grass png though, what's it for? |
| 17:21.29 | TD-Linux | looks the same as the one that came with bzflag |
| 17:21.33 | Epyon | it's so that all textures are in one place. It's a copy of bzf's std_ground |
| 17:21.49 | TD-Linux | same with mesh.png |
| 17:21.54 | Epyon | yep |
| 17:22.00 | TD-Linux | ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 17:22.03 | TD-Linux | so that -t works! |
| 17:22.17 | Epyon | -t ? o.O |
| 17:22.36 | TD-Linux | otherwise, it won't be able to find standard textures |
| 17:22.44 | Epyon | ah that one :) |
| 17:22.46 | TD-Linux | because it looks for _all_ textures |
| 17:22.53 | TD-Linux | in the path specified |
| 17:23.06 | TD-Linux | however, it's lame to have to download textures that you already have :( |
| 17:23.10 | Epyon | side effect, didn't think about it but yeah, thanks to that it works ok now :D |
| 17:23.17 | TD-Linux | I have an idea |
| 17:23.24 | TD-Linux | modify the -t thingy a bit |
| 17:23.32 | Epyon | ~pw |
| 17:23.33 | ibot | from memory, patches welcome is a common response by maintainers of Open Source products. It's roughly means "We don't have much time on our hands, so if you write that feature and send it to us we will likely roll it in. If you don't have the time to write it, we don't either. Stop asking for it." |
| 17:23.37 | TD-Linux | if the texture has a .png on the end, assume it's remote |
| 17:23.49 | TD-Linux | if it doesn't, assume it's local and doesn't need to be downloaded |
| 17:24.28 | TD-Linux | but that would require changing some of your materials. |
| 17:24.33 | TD-Linux | *all |
| 17:25.23 | Epyon | TD-Linux, but seriously, I'll do that once I have a free moment. |
| 17:26.52 | TD-Linux | ok |
| 17:27.02 | TD-Linux | I would say fix collision first though |
| 17:27.15 | TD-Linux | maybe need some more intelligent way to place inside points. |
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| 17:52.59 | Thumper_ | hey JeffM :) Did I mess something up (re: thiefControl changes) today? => Just wondering about your 'wtf' comment earlier |
| 17:53.12 | JeffM | no no, it's just coded odly |
| 17:53.19 | JeffM | it will work fine |
| 17:54.11 | Thumper_ | yes it is :/ any suggestions for making it coded better? |
| 17:54.13 | JeffM | it just possibly sends in a null to the free command |
| 17:54.23 | Thumper_ | true |
| 17:54.24 | JeffM | for what it's doing, that's fine |
| 17:54.31 | Thumper_ | but I checked first that the api handles that case |
| 17:54.31 | JeffM | anything else would be longer |
| 17:54.34 | Thumper_ | I can fix that if you want |
| 17:54.35 | JeffM | yeah it does, so it's fine |
| 17:54.36 | JeffM | naw |
| 17:54.46 | JeffM | it's just a little plug-in :) |
| 17:54.59 | JeffM | sometimes cheese is good |
| 17:54.59 | Thumper_ | true... but it's possible the beginning of a bad habit... ;) |
| 17:55.07 | JeffM | if it gets worse later, we can deal with it |
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| 18:02.42 | JeffM | have I mentioned how much I hate cmake |
| 18:02.53 | blast007 | at least once |
| 18:02.55 | blast007 | ;) |
| 18:02.59 | blast007 | I didn't mind it |
| 18:03.03 | JeffM | this is a clean system |
| 18:03.08 | JeffM | just unziped the OSG |
| 18:03.16 | JeffM | then unziped the thrid party stuff |
| 18:03.25 | JeffM | so its in I:\OpenSceneGraph\3rdParty |
| 18:03.29 | JeffM | run cmake |
| 18:03.43 | JeffM | pick I:\OpenSceneGraph\ as the "where is the source" thingy |
| 18:03.44 | blast007 | what else is in I:\OpenSceneGraph\ ? |
| 18:03.56 | blast007 | yeah, that's not how I did it |
| 18:03.56 | JeffM | the unzip from OpenSceneGraph-2.0.zip |
| 18:04.09 | blast007 | I had 3rdParty stuff along side the OpenSceneGraph root |
| 18:04.38 | blast007 | C:\Libraries\OpenSceneGraph-2.0\OpenSceneGraph and C:\Libraries\OpenSceneGraph-2.0\3rdParty |
| 18:04.46 | JeffM | hmm |
| 18:05.37 | JeffM | stupid, but hey I'll play along |
| 18:05.54 | JeffM | did it say to do that anywhere? |
| 18:06.22 | JeffM | the only docs I read was "Under Win32 you can use a pre-packaged 3rdParty_Win32binaries tarball containing the extra dependencies that might be required when compiling all plug-ins and examples, or just select the individual packages listed below." |
| 18:06.22 | blast007 | yeah |
| 18:06.23 | blast007 | http://openscenegraph.org/osgwiki/pmwiki.php/PlatformSpecifics/VisualStudio |
| 18:06.38 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03bthansen * r15543 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/thiefControl/thiefControl.cpp: Do not call functions with NULL pointers |
| 18:06.44 | blast007 | that link was for the "MUST_READ_ME.txt" in OSG's VisualStudio directory |
| 18:06.56 | Thumper_ | JeffM: hope that's better. thanks |
| 18:06.57 | JeffM | ahh |
| 18:07.02 | blast007 | it shows the directory structor there |
| 18:07.07 | JeffM | Thumper_, realy it was fine the way it was before |
| 18:07.22 | Thumper_ | yeah but after you mentioned it... it bugged me :) |
| 18:07.30 | blast007 | :) |
| 18:07.45 | JeffM | ahh that text file that dosn't show up in notepad |
| 18:07.56 | blast007 | yeah, linux line endings |
| 18:07.59 | blast007 | use wordpad |
| 18:08.08 | JeffM | yeah I did |
| 18:08.12 | JeffM | just anoying |
| 18:08.17 | blast007 | yup |
| 18:08.50 | JeffM | cmake does look intersteing if it was just a little more intuitive and better documetned I think |
| 18:09.05 | JeffM | having people dig and find pages in text docs kinda sucks |
| 18:09.41 | JeffM | lets see how it goes now |
| 18:10.08 | JeffM | it sucked cus I already had a dir caleld 3rdParty one level above OSG :( |
| 18:10.21 | blast007 | heh |
| 18:11.52 | JeffM | probablyu sould make a bin kit for OSG just us the thing takes so bloddy long to compiler :) |
| 18:12.56 | blast007 | JeffM: I did |
| 18:13.07 | JeffM | where is it at? |
| 18:13.27 | blast007 | http://static.bzexcess.com/OSG2.0.rar |
| 18:13.45 | blast007 | debug and release libs, and include files |
| 18:13.48 | JeffM | cool |
| 18:13.54 | JeffM | that'll help :) |
| 18:14.18 | JeffM | tho here it looks like I can build debug in 5:30 |
| 18:14.18 | blast007 | you must have missed the link from before ;) |
| 18:14.22 | blast007 | heh |
| 18:14.25 | JeffM | I miss lots of things |
| 18:15.07 | JeffM | did jude do plugins for BZWB? |
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| 18:17.40 | JeffM | I miss winzip :( |
| 18:17.55 | JeffM | oh my god! |
| 18:17.58 | JeffM | thanks :) |
| 18:18.01 | brlcad | so give it a few days now :) |
| 18:18.26 | JeffM | cool, then I can stop trying to mount that damned disk under linux |
| 18:20.03 | JeffM | bahhh, FLTK isn't incredebuildable :( |
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| 18:33.26 | JeffM | blast007, I cleaned out your premade thing to the bare minimum |
| 18:33.38 | JeffM | and packed fltk too |
| 18:34.25 | JeffM | ibot, bzwbDeps is http://beta.bzflag.bz/builds/deps/ |
| 18:34.26 | ibot | okay, JeffM |
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| 18:35.07 | JeffM | should move the source archives into a sources dir I think |
| 18:36.10 | JeffM | aww man, I can't make subdirs :( |
| 18:38.42 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r15544 10/trunk/db/bzfls2/ (bzfls.php includes/datalayer.class.php): |
| 18:38.42 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Modify the *_ByUsername functions in the DataLayer to accept the username as a single parameter instead of as part of an array |
| 18:38.42 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Verify the token in CHECKTOKENS |
| 18:39.08 | blast007 | JeffM: did you create stuff as your user account again? ;) |
| 18:44.37 | blast007 | hmm, I might have a working list server by the end of the week |
| 18:45.08 | blast007 | maybe not with groups yet, but with most everything else |
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| 18:47.42 | blast007 | AWOSLappy: I made a change to the VC7.1 project for BZWB that should fix the "objects won't render" problem |
| 18:47.46 | blast007 | needed another DLL |
| 18:48.11 | AWOSLappy | blast007: Wonderful! Do I need to download anything from bzexcess, or can I get the DLL independently? |
| 18:48.22 | blast007 | the DLL is part of OSG |
| 18:48.35 | blast007 | just need to svn up the BZWB directory, and rebuild |
| 18:48.45 | AWOSLappy | Okay. Can I just redownload OSG2.0 from you? |
| 18:48.48 | AWOSLappy | Ohh. |
| 18:48.49 | blast007 | or if you don't want to rebuild, copy in the file |
| 18:48.59 | blast007 | think it's osgdb_obj.dll |
| 18:49.04 | blast007 | from the OSG release plugins |
| 18:49.48 | AWOSLappy | okay. |
| 18:50.00 | AWOSLappy | blast007: I do still have a patch for the project file |
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| 18:50.12 | blast007 | ok |
| 18:50.17 | blast007 | what's it change? |
| 18:51.25 | AWOSLappy | It produces the EXE in ..\.. so that it does not have to copy, and so you can just click "Run" from the IDE. |
| 18:51.36 | AWOSLappy | I found it easier, especially when I'm trying to debug the program. |
| 18:52.13 | blast007 | AWOSLappy: you just modify what binary the "run" command executes |
| 18:52.36 | AWOSLappy | yes, but if it makes it, it saves, I dunno, probably around one second. |
| 18:52.56 | blast007 | the reason it is how it is, is because that's how the bzflag project does it (did I have an is's in that sentence?) |
| 18:52.57 | AWOSLappy | building 60 times, will save the developer 1 minute over the lifetime of the software -- a minute longer to write code. |
| 18:53.19 | AWOSLappy | blast007: hehe, no you did not put "is's". |
| 18:53.58 | AWOSLappy | So because bzflag does it mean that doing it another way is wrong? |
| 18:54.06 | AWOSLappy | s/mean/means/ |
| 18:54.18 | blast007 | no ;) |
| 18:55.14 | AWOSLappy | :) |
| 18:57.21 | AWOSLappy | blast007: I'm not sure how I would send the patch to you. Here it is. http://rafb.net/p/v2fhRY95.html |
| 18:58.00 | Winny | the server "underconstrution.ath.cx" seems to be using some sort of BZFS exploit to make it appear as if more people are on the server... |
| 18:58.10 | Winny | it says 19 people are there, I join, 5 are |
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| 19:01.22 | AWOSLappy | I don't know if this a league thing or not, Winny, but when I press joybtn 3 (spawn) or right-click the mouse (spawn) on that server, it doesn't *do* anything. |
| 19:01.35 | AWOSLappy | It doesn't give any errors, either. |
| 19:06.34 | blast007 | AWOSLappy: there's a patch tracker on SF.net |
| 19:06.43 | donny_baker | Winny: hum... said there were 13/200 when i joined... there were 5 and now the count is 6/25 wierd |
| 19:06.54 | blast007 | hmm |
| 19:06.57 | blast007 | could just be a bug too |
| 19:07.07 | blast007 | I seem to recall some other server complaining about that |
| 19:07.14 | blast007 | server owner* |
| 19:07.16 | Macrosoft | AWOSLappy: weird question, but do you have the spawn permission? |
| 19:07.25 | donny_baker | now 20/200 and only 3 on |
| 19:07.36 | blast007 | hmm |
| 19:07.56 | AWOSLappy | Macrosoft: It seems like it. It doesn't say "You do not have permission." |
| 19:09.15 | Macrosoft | btw, "-view three" with glx indirect rendering is slow as hell |
| 19:10.29 | AWOSLappy | btw, "bzflag" with this graphics card is slower than molasses. :P |
| 19:11.05 | AWOSLappy | I expect more than 7 FPS. |
| 19:11.36 | AWOSLappy | Macrosoft: what card do you have? |
| 19:11.46 | Macrosoft | i845 |
| 19:12.01 | AWOSLappy | how many FPS do you get? |
| 19:12.38 | Macrosoft | its the essence of suck-tastic materialized into physical form |
| 19:13.07 | AWOSLappy | Macrosoft: okay, so you basically have my card in a better, Intel form. |
| 19:14.04 | Macrosoft | AWOSLappy: atm, my fps is 1 |
| 19:14.06 | bryjen | tried turning off lighting and shadows? that helped a bit here |
| 19:14.12 | AWOSLappy | oooooh. |
| 19:14.16 | AWOSLappy | I at least get 7. |
| 19:14.27 | AWOSLappy | wow, Macrosoft, yours is suck-tastic :P |
| 19:14.50 | Macrosoft | its cuz my drivers dont feel like working today |
| 19:15.07 | Macrosoft | when they do work, i get about 15fps |
| 19:15.55 | Macrosoft | but it doesnt work in linux...makes kernel panic and run away |
| 19:16.07 | AWOSLappy | heh. |
| 19:16.15 | AWOSLappy | this ATI doesn't work right in Linux with fglrx |
| 19:16.20 | AWOSLappy | it's not even supported by fglrx >_> |
| 19:16.34 | Macrosoft | AWOSLappy: but you can boot with it, right? |
| 19:16.39 | AWOSLappy | oh, yes. |
| 19:16.47 | Macrosoft | i cant even boot if i try using mine |
| 19:16.51 | AWOSLappy | it is just "teh sux0r" doing any kind of gfx work with it |
| 19:16.55 | AWOSLappy | wow |
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| 19:17.17 | AWOSLappy | hmm, Newegg is asking me for a maximum price I'd want to spend on a gfx card. |
| 19:17.46 | Macrosoft | i get core dumps, interrupt errors and such |
| 19:17.50 | Macrosoft | awos |
| 19:17.56 | kc9foh | tell them 20.00 ;) |
| 19:18.23 | Macrosoft | AWOSLappy: tell them $250, that should get you a somewhat decent card |
| 19:18.42 | AWOSLappy | erm, okay. |
| 19:19.03 | Macrosoft | heh, they should add a "no ati cards" search option |
| 19:19.04 | blast007 | I got a 7900GTO 512MB for something like $255 ;) |
| 19:19.33 | Macrosoft | this x1550 was $140 something |
| 19:19.48 | AWOSLappy | I have no clue what I'm looking for though. |
| 19:19.57 | Macrosoft | ... i should have tried returning the damned thing |
| 19:20.04 | AWOSLappy | I know that GPUs are like CPUs, they likey memory. |
| 19:20.30 | Macrosoft | AWOSLappy: they are specialized for graphics |
| 19:20.35 | AWOSLappy | right. |
| 19:20.46 | AWOSLappy | but I mean, more memory = more speed |
| 19:20.56 | Macrosoft | more or less |
| 19:21.04 | AWOSLappy | I don't know exactly what GPUs do when they run out, probably swap to system RAM |
| 19:21.22 | AWOSLappy | so 512M is decent? |
| 19:21.28 | Macrosoft | AWOSLappy: yah |
| 19:21.29 | blast007 | AWOSLappy: not necessarily |
| 19:21.44 | AWOSLappy | blast007: I do, erm, bzflag and some car racing games. |
| 19:21.56 | AWOSLappy | nothing too demanding, maybe NASCAR or NFS. |
| 19:21.58 | blast007 | the clock and memory speeds impact it more than the amount of memory |
| 19:22.09 | blast007 | AWOSLappy: which NFS? |
| 19:22.13 | blast007 | Carbon? ;) |
| 19:22.15 | AWOSLappy | blast007: 3 and 4. |
| 19:22.20 | blast007 | oh geez |
| 19:22.29 | AWOSLappy | yeah. |
| 19:22.33 | AWOSLappy | see, nothing too demanding. |
| 19:22.38 | blast007 | those'll run on anything you can probably buy from newegg |
| 19:22.48 | AWOSLappy | not that I'd even have the _option_ to play anything newer on my current hardware |
| 19:23.01 | blast007 | NFS Carbon beats up my 7900GTO pretty good |
| 19:23.02 | AWOSLappy | that's one reason I don't just go out and buy games. I can't. |
| 19:23.30 | AWOSLappy | Ooooooooh pretty. |
| 19:23.50 | blast007 | yeah, I only get like 45FPS last I tried |
| 19:23.54 | Macrosoft | AWOSLappy: the reason i dont o out and buy games is that there are good open-source games out there(free!) |
| 19:23.54 | blast007 | at 1024x768 |
| 19:24.14 | AWOSLappy | Macrosoft: hehe, not racing car games. |
| 19:24.18 | AWOSLappy | I didn't really like TORCS. |
| 19:24.21 | AWOSLappy | blast007: omg. |
| 19:24.27 | AWOSLappy | blast007: ONLY 45fps? |
| 19:24.41 | AWOSLappy | blast007: I have to be extremely honest. the fastest I've ever had a game run is 30fps. |
| 19:24.59 | Macrosoft | blast007: i was able to get my card working in windows, and i got 40fps@ 1440x900@75Hz in bzflag |
| 19:25.00 | AWOSLappy | ever. even when this RADEON was new. 30fps was my cap. |
| 19:25.24 | AWOSLappy | at 1024x768 |
| 19:27.48 | Macrosoft | ...the only disadvantage to it was that i had to use windows |
| 19:28.20 | AWOSLappy | blast007: so what is "normal"? |
| 19:28.28 | AWOSLappy | hehe, bye Macrosoft |
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| 19:44.02 | JeffM | blast007, I had made it with sudo first when it failed, then just did a mkdir and it worked |
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| 19:50.27 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15545 10/trunk/bzworkbench/src/: lets start geting bzwb cleaned up with a src dir |
| 20:00.49 | AWOSLappy | oh no. |
| 20:01.11 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: you're going to terrorise me the rest of the day with untimely SVN commits, aren't you? :P |
| 20:01.16 | JeffM | no |
| 20:01.24 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15546 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (27 files in 24 dirs): move all the source code to /src |
| 20:01.27 | JeffM | ;) |
| 20:02.33 | AWOSLappy | ;) |
| 20:03.18 | JeffM | his makefile system is wierd |
| 20:03.19 | JeffM | kinda cool |
| 20:03.21 | JeffM | but wiered |
| 20:07.34 | CBG | is it more likely to work on a mac now, JeffM ? :P lol |
| 20:08.20 | JeffM | I dunno |
| 20:08.34 | JeffM | I don't own a mac anymore |
| 20:08.47 | CBG | well compiling OSG was my main problem anyway, iirc. |
| 20:08.52 | CBG | ah.. of course. |
| 20:09.32 | JeffM | they don't have a premade set of bins? |
| 20:10.09 | CBG | not one that works. |
| 20:10.57 | JeffM | and why won't it build? |
| 20:11.22 | CBG | i really don't remember now :( |
| 20:12.49 | AWOSLappy | bison |
| 20:12.54 | AWOSLappy | wasn't it? |
| 20:13.03 | JeffM | bison is not part of OSG |
| 20:13.11 | JeffM | nor even a part of BZWB |
| 20:13.12 | CBG | bison was for bzwgen |
| 20:13.16 | JeffM | it hs part of gen |
| 20:13.22 | CBG | i got bison sorted, but not bzwgen |
| 20:13.38 | CBG | even Epyon can't help me with bzwgen now |
| 20:13.49 | CBG | but, with bzwb... the problem was OSG :( |
| 20:14.29 | AWOSLappy | ahh. |
| 20:18.11 | Macrosoft | ya, osg is a pain |
| 20:18.27 | Macrosoft | i got bzwb to build, but it wont run :( |
| 20:18.59 | Macrosoft | ./bzworkbench: error while loading shared libraries: libosgViewer.so.11: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 20:20.58 | JeffM | where did you put the shared libs? |
| 20:21.19 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15547 10/trunk/bzworkbench/MSVC/VC7.1/BZWorkbench.vcproj: move ALL the files to src, not just all but one. |
| 20:21.48 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: erm |
| 20:21.51 | AWOSLappy | "not just all but one"? |
| 20:21.58 | JeffM | I missed one ;) |
| 20:22.05 | AWOSLappy | ahh hehe :) |
| 20:24.08 | Macrosoft | JeffM: wherever osg's make install puts them |
| 20:25.01 | Macrosoft | so, when does GSoC end? |
| 20:25.03 | Epyon | orthox, thanks :) |
| 20:25.11 | JeffM | is that a place where your system can find them |
| 20:25.12 | Epyon | orthox, I'll think about it :) |
| 20:25.14 | JeffM | Macrosoft, last week |
| 20:25.16 | orthox | cool |
| 20:25.35 | Macrosoft | everyone finish their projects on-time? |
| 20:25.39 | AWOSLappy | Macrosoft: lol. |
| 20:26.01 | JeffM | yes and no |
| 20:26.05 | AWOSLappy | Macrosoft: with regards to the libs, did you run ld-cache or whatever that command is, to update your ld.so? |
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| 20:26.26 | Macrosoft | AWOSLappy: no, didnt know about that, ill do that |
| 20:26.41 | AWOSLappy | okay. |
| 20:26.51 | Macrosoft | nope, thats not the command |
| 20:27.12 | AWOSLappy | lemme find it |
| 20:27.15 | bryjen | ldconfig |
| 20:27.19 | Macrosoft | ok |
| 20:27.24 | AWOSLappy | yay bryjen! |
| 20:28.06 | Macrosoft | oops, you need root access |
| 20:28.09 | Macrosoft | sudo |
| 20:28.46 | Macrosoft | nope, bzwb still doesnt work |
| 20:28.50 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15548 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (6 files in 4 dirs): stub for API work. |
| 20:29.25 | bryjen | same error? |
| 20:29.32 | Macrosoft | bryjen: yep |
| 20:30.10 | bryjen | locate libosgViewer.so.11 |
| 20:30.14 | Macrosoft | guessing from jeff's "yes and no" answer, it sounds like someone isnt getting paid |
| 20:30.27 | Macrosoft | ...for GSoC, that is |
| 20:30.56 | JeffM | you can read the report later |
| 20:30.58 | AWOSLappy | hehe. |
| 20:30.59 | JeffM | everyone was paid something |
| 20:31.09 | daxxar | brlcad: How's the report coming along? |
| 20:31.19 | Macrosoft | bryjen: is locate supposed to output anything? |
| 20:32.18 | AWOSLappy | Macrosoft: yes. |
| 20:32.28 | bryjen | yeah, but it may not |
| 20:32.30 | Macrosoft | nvm, there it goes |
| 20:32.37 | AWOSLappy | Macrosoft: it prints the directory that the file is in |
| 20:32.51 | Macrosoft | blane@ubuntu-x86-0:~/bzworkbench$ locate libosgViewer.so.11 |
| 20:32.51 | Macrosoft | /usr/local/lib/libosgViewer.so.11 |
| 20:32.51 | Macrosoft | /home/blane/OpenSceneGraph/src/osgViewer/CMakeFiles/CMakeRelink.dir/libosgViewer.so.11 |
| 20:32.51 | Macrosoft | /home/blane/OpenSceneGraph/lib/libosgViewer.so.11 |
| 20:33.05 | Macrosoft | it exists!! |
| 20:33.13 | bryjen | /usr/local/lib is where it installed to |
| 20:33.46 | Macrosoft | bryjen: how does one slap bzwb in the head and make it see the lib |
| 20:33.47 | Macrosoft | ? |
| 20:34.18 | JeffM | Macrosoft, one learns how their OS works |
| 20:34.32 | bryjen | if you ldconfig -v, it should show you where it's finding stuff. is libosgViewer listed under /usr/local/lib ? |
| 20:34.44 | Macrosoft | hold on, ill check |
| 20:35.58 | bryjen | or maybe /usr/local/lib isn't in the output from ldconfig? |
| 20:36.11 | Macrosoft | it doesnt list that folder at all, only /lib |
| 20:36.12 | Thumper_ | Macrosoft: check if /usr/local/lib is in your /etc/ld.so.conf file (although I'm on a Debian system) then rerun ldconfig -- this of course assumed you installed the library in /usr/local/lib |
| 20:36.45 | Macrosoft | maybe i should copy it to /lib also? |
| 20:37.09 | bryjen | no, just look at the .conf file like Thumper_ said |
| 20:37.17 | bryjen | that was where i was going next |
| 20:39.03 | Macrosoft | only one line in it: include /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf |
| 20:39.15 | Thumper_ | so just add /usr/local/lib on a separate line |
| 20:39.20 | Thumper_ | and rerun ldconfig |
| 20:39.42 | Macrosoft | "include /usr/local/lib"? |
| 20:39.46 | Thumper_ | no |
| 20:39.49 | Thumper_ | "/usr/local/lib" |
| 20:39.54 | Macrosoft | or just "/usr/local/lib" |
| 20:40.02 | Macrosoft | ok |
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| 20:40.34 | Thumper_ | it's listing the directories to search for libraries |
| 20:40.43 | Thumper_ | IIRC |
| 20:42.39 | Macrosoft | different error: Warning: deleting still referenced object 0x818c388 of type 'PN3osg10ReferencedE' |
| 20:42.39 | Macrosoft | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:42.39 | Macrosoft | Segmentation fault (core dumped) |
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| 20:44.00 | Thumper_ | eek |
| 20:48.00 | blast007 | AWOSLappy: on my 7900GTO, I can get BZFlag running at 800 to 1200 FPS, depending on the server and resolution |
| 20:48.20 | blast007 | of course, it goes a little wacky at that frame rate |
| 20:48.25 | AWOSLappy | :o |
| 20:48.41 | AWOSLappy | blast007: how do you make it slow down? |
| 20:48.46 | Macrosoft | blast007: cool, you never know when you'll need the frame rate of a high-speed camera :p |
| 20:49.13 | Macrosoft | ...but its impressive either way |
| 20:49.28 | blast007 | AWOSLappy: energy saver |
| 20:49.39 | blast007 | or vsync |
| 20:49.53 | blast007 | but I like energy saver so I can set it to something like 150 or 200 |
| 20:50.04 | AWOSLappy | energy saver? |
| 20:50.13 | Macrosoft | AWOSLappy: its a setting |
| 20:50.21 | Macrosoft | ... in bzflag |
| 20:50.32 | Macrosoft | limits framerate and stuff |
| 20:50.48 | AWOSLappy | ohhh. |
| 20:51.05 | AWOSLappy | I thought he meant, I dunno, Cool'n'Quiet or something |
| 20:51.18 | blast007 | useful for laptops so you don't have bzflag hogging 100% of the CPU |
| 20:52.01 | Macrosoft | AWOSLappy: its a precaution, cuz if your fps goes over 10000, a delorian shows up, then micheal j fox gets out and puches you in the face |
| 20:52.10 | Macrosoft | ...true story |
| 20:53.54 | AWOSLappy | lol. |
| 20:53.58 | blast007 | Macrosoft: I could probably get half way there if my CPU was faster |
| 20:54.07 | blast007 | only have a 1.86GHz C2D |
| 20:54.19 | Macrosoft | blast007: heh |
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| 20:55.50 | Macrosoft | and 512MB of ram |
| 20:56.11 | blast007 | cool, you have as much RAM as my video card does |
| 20:56.15 | blast007 | ;) |
| 20:56.24 | JeffM | my phone has more ram then that |
| 20:56.29 | blast007 | heh |
| 20:56.33 | AWOSLappy | heh |
| 20:58.03 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15549 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (8 files in 3 dirs): |
| 20:58.03 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: scan and load for plugins when loading. |
| 20:58.03 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: load the plugins like BZ does.( use ASCII loaders on windows cus of stupid 64bitness ) |
| 20:58.03 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: begin stubing out an API |
| 20:58.03 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: add OS file, cus hey, everyone needs files. |
| 20:58.10 | TimRiker | well, if I combine the ram from all my phones, I'm well over that, but not in one phone. |
| 20:59.10 | JeffM | I assume that since bzwb isn't a server, it's ok to have it scan a dir and load plugins, like blender does. little to no security threats, etc.. |
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| 21:05.05 | Winny | when the server does lag warnings, how long is it between warning(s)? |
| 21:05.48 | a_meteorite | Winny: count? |
| 21:06.00 | a_meteorite | I don't know, I could look it up. But I bet some dev has it memorized. |
| 21:06.08 | Winny | thats what I was hoping :p |
| 21:06.31 | Winny | trying to make sure lagwarn is working, and Im not sure how long it is between warnings |
| 21:06.41 | Winny | ah, nvm, it is working :p |
| 21:22.30 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15550 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (6 files in 3 dirs): |
| 21:22.30 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: keep a pointer to the main Fl_Window around for the API to use for the various OS specific functions ( like window handles ). |
| 21:22.30 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Provide an API function to give the OS specific window handle back to the plug-in. |
| 21:25.03 | AWOSLappy | oooh! |
| 21:25.08 | AWOSLappy | can I do the OS specific quit function!? |
| 21:25.35 | JeffM | huh? |
| 21:25.36 | L4m3r | hm... |
| 21:25.50 | AWOSLappy | done. |
| 21:25.53 | L4m3r | "think different" ad spoofs on images.bzflag.org. Yes or no? |
| 21:25.56 | JeffM | I'm mostly doing it for common controlls |
| 21:26.14 | AWOSLappy | http://rafb.net/p/AEOtYM86.html |
| 21:26.16 | JeffM | L4m3r, depends what' in em |
| 21:26.29 | JeffM | AWOSLappy, it dosnt' work like that |
| 21:26.54 | L4m3r | one's a picture of some tattoed guy using an ibook and smoking, and the other is a picture of hitler... |
| 21:27.11 | L4m3r | at least I think that's who it is |
| 21:27.17 | blast007 | heh.. |
| 21:27.33 | AWOSLappy | omigosh. |
| 21:27.39 | L4m3r | the latter should be reasonably in the public domain |
| 21:27.41 | JeffM | hitler, no |
| 21:27.45 | blast007 | I'd say no :) |
| 21:27.46 | L4m3r | but, yeah |
| 21:27.51 | AWOSLappy | you don't even know what the guy looks like? a prominent historical figure that isn't acceptable for bzflag, but still |
| 21:27.54 | JeffM | who's asking to post them |
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| 21:28.12 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v Tupone_] by ChanServ |
| 21:28.31 | L4m3r | iPants |
| 21:28.41 | JeffM | how many are they asking for? |
| 21:28.48 | L4m3r | two |
| 21:29.03 | L4m3r | maybe a couple others, that were unrelated as far as I can tell |
| 21:29.08 | L4m3r | from other people |
| 21:29.19 | JeffM | what image thing is it on? |
| 21:29.22 | L4m3r | some text blurb about Wozzie and Jobs, harmless enough |
| 21:29.38 | L4m3r | the green one :) |
| 21:29.43 | JeffM | whats the URL to that? |
| 21:29.50 | L4m3r | http://images.bzflag.org/submitimages/ |
| 21:30.40 | JeffM | I'd deny both of them, saying that isn't realy what we are here for |
| 21:31.51 | L4m3r | http://images.bzflag.org/iipants/iPants_wozText.png |
| 21:33.21 | JeffM | I'd yank that too |
| 21:33.27 | JeffM | bzflag is not a soapbox |
| 21:33.45 | L4m3r | it's approved already |
| 21:34.00 | JeffM | so just go yank the file :) |
| 21:34.10 | L4m3r | I don't have access, as far as I know |
| 21:34.23 | JeffM | let me see if I do |
| 21:34.29 | L4m3r | unless it's on SF, but I doubt it |
| 21:35.57 | JeffM | yeah I don't have perms ether |
| 21:36.47 | JeffM | well I may, I think I have to use sudo with some group pram or something |
| 21:37.18 | L4m3r | BZW needs a text engine ;) |
| 21:38.28 | JeffM | bzw? |
| 21:40.43 | tannerld | does bzwb compile with the current updates? |
| 21:40.51 | JeffM | on what platform? |
| 21:41.03 | tannerld | linux/ubuntu |
| 21:41.07 | JeffM | no clue |
| 21:41.09 | JeffM | maybe |
| 21:41.20 | JeffM | I tired to updat the makefile |
| 21:41.35 | brlcad | *almost* |
| 21:41.42 | tannerld | its mostly complaining about stuff in TextUtils.css |
| 21:41.44 | tannerld | *cxx |
| 21:41.49 | JeffM | like? |
| 21:41.52 | L4m3r | ~beer brlcad |
| 21:41.53 | ibot | ACTION pulls out a exquisite Dogfishhead 90min IPA for brlcad |
| 21:41.55 | JeffM | he lives |
| 21:41.57 | L4m3r | how about now? :) |
| 21:42.05 | JeffM | brlcad, how do I make things beleted in the web dir? |
| 21:42.21 | JeffM | the bzwb make system isn't bad |
| 21:42.25 | JeffM | it's better then what I could do :) |
| 21:42.26 | tannerld | http://pastebin.ca/674038 |
| 21:43.07 | JeffM | it's not adding -I./include to the build |
| 21:43.19 | JeffM | I took all the hardcoded paths out of the #include directives |
| 21:43.59 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15551 10/trunk/bzworkbench/Debug/subdir.mk: includetastic |
| 21:44.01 | JeffM | try that |
| 21:44.23 | tannerld | same error |
| 21:44.34 | JeffM | dunno then |
| 21:44.53 | JeffM | the includes got mucked aroudn with, so it probably needs updating there |
| 21:45.24 | L4m3r | :o |
| 21:45.46 | trepan | it auto-installs win over lin? :) |
| 21:45.52 | JeffM | very very close |
| 21:45.55 | L4m3r | BZWB auto-bling for noobz? |
| 21:46.07 | Winny | AOL text translater? |
| 21:46.08 | JeffM | uses MFC |
| 21:46.53 | L4m3r | Windows 3.1 compatibility? |
| 21:46.57 | L4m3r | :P |
| 21:47.26 | JeffM | FTGL open dialogs -> standard windows open dialogs :) |
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| 21:48.57 | Winny | ~seen badgerking |
| 21:49.03 | ibot | badgerking <i=bzflag@204.56.5.208> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 660d 16h 25m 47s ago, saying: 'well, going to go play for awhile now'. |
| 21:49.11 | Winny | bleh. |
| 21:49.24 | tannerld | "for awhile now" O.o |
| 21:49.37 | Macrosoft | Winny: thats almost 666days |
| 21:49.41 | AWOSLappy | haha |
| 21:49.45 | AWOSLappy | a little while now. |
| 21:50.05 | L4m3r | Winny: How exactly did he get a fiber cut anyway? |
| 21:50.15 | L4m3r | did one of his badgers get loose? :P |
| 21:50.22 | tannerld | lol |
| 21:50.25 | Winny | L4m3r: I think he hosts on FIOS, and someone dug up the cable, dunno tho. |
| 21:50.39 | brlcad | L4m3r: soon, i'm actually heading out to a microbrewery here in a few min :) |
| 21:50.47 | L4m3r | heh |
| 21:50.55 | L4m3r | that was for motivation :P |
| 21:51.31 | brlcad | thx ;) |
| 21:51.43 | L4m3r | heh, next year for siggraph I'll actually be able to drink with y'all :P |
| 21:52.38 | brlcad | heh |
| 21:53.46 | brlcad | hopefully I won't be so overloaded next year so can actually coordinate better, get folks schedules to sync up better |
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| 21:53.57 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r15552 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzflag/LocalPlayer.cxx: Hopefully fix that speed check behaviour |
| 21:54.00 | AWOSLappy | didn't we ban them already? |
| 21:54.04 | brlcad | maybe have it before siggraph so at least I"m not so burnt out :) |
| 21:54.23 | CBG | L4m3r: you can't drink ? |
| 21:54.35 | AWOSLappy | CBG: he's probably 20. |
| 21:54.46 | CBG | oooh... yeah. limit is 21 there. hahaha |
| 21:54.50 | CBG | suckers. :P |
| 21:56.40 | L4m3r | yeah, I'm about two months away |
| 21:57.04 | CBG | and underage drinking is uncommon..? |
| 21:57.32 | L4m3r | CBG: oh, it's all over |
| 21:57.42 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15553 10/trunk/bzworkbench/plugins/ (10 files in 3 dirs): start a plugin for BZWB |
| 21:57.47 | L4m3r | but it's not something you do at a restaurant |
| 21:57.50 | Manu | ruskie: try a fresh svn to check the speedkick |
| 21:57.55 | CBG | L4m3r: eh, k.. |
| 21:58.08 | CBG | most people are drinking at age 13 here... heavily at age 15 |
| 21:58.19 | Macrosoft | where is "here"? |
| 21:58.24 | CBG | UK. |
| 21:58.54 | L4m3r | oh yeah, here too |
| 21:59.11 | L4m3r | but restaurants check... they don't want to get busted serving to minors |
| 21:59.32 | CBG | we can drink wine with a meal, legally, at age 14 |
| 22:00.11 | Macrosoft | CBG: remember, its only illegal if you get caught |
| 22:01.35 | L4m3r | Macrosoft: heh, that's actually the rule in the dorms here |
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| 22:01.59 | L4m3r | "We allow underage drinking as long as we can't see, hear, or smell it." |
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| 22:11.35 | Macrosoft | big banner on front of the building: "welcome, failures!" |
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| 23:33.04 | JeffM | is the code that was in the tools director under CVS dead? |
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