| 00:00.03 | brlcad | he was supposed to find it :) |
| 00:00.21 | brlcad | or at least learn how to find when you can't find it :) |
| 00:01.13 | brlcad | JeffM: ahh, i got my projects mixed up, I see what you mean now -- those makefiles from jude are semi-auto-generated |
| 00:01.24 | JeffM | they are? |
| 00:01.44 | JeffM | I thought they were hand coded, with the call to just gcc siting there :) |
| 00:02.23 | brlcad | well the structure is kinda gratuitous, and the second line says it was generated :) |
| 00:02.56 | brlcad | epyons was written from scratch and has the same echo output as gpx01 |
| 00:06.34 | CBG | /usr/bin/ld: can't locate framework for: -framework OpenSceneGraph |
| 00:07.18 | brlcad | look the dir I mentioned |
| 00:07.21 | brlcad | see what it's named |
| 00:07.31 | CBG | yeah, osg |
| 00:07.39 | CBG | and I fixed the next error about osgviewer |
| 00:07.48 | CBG | but now... /usr/bin/ld: can't locate file for: -lGL |
| 00:07.57 | brlcad | change that also to a framework |
| 00:07.59 | CBG | (sorry, i have big lag) |
| 00:08.06 | CBG | -framework GL ? |
| 00:08.09 | brlcad | close |
| 00:08.13 | brlcad | same as the header edit |
| 00:08.21 | CBG | ok |
| 00:08.23 | brlcad | <FRAMEWORK/header> |
| 00:08.43 | CBG | and this last one: /usr/bin/ld: can't locate file for: -lGLU |
| 00:08.55 | brlcad | shouldn't need it with the opengl |
| 00:09.06 | CBG | just rm that part? |
| 00:09.07 | brlcad | (i think) |
| 00:09.59 | Winny | can I have someone from europe help me test out the lag at my new server? bzflagr.net:100 |
| 00:11.25 | brlcad | Chestal: would you happen to know if the localization of Debian can be changed on the fly or do I need to reinstall to get a diff language? (including most installed apps) |
| 00:11.43 | brlcad | kinda hard for me to use the new server as it's all in german :) |
| 00:13.23 | brlcad | same question goes to any other debianeers that use a localized install |
| 00:13.26 | CBG | removed the -lGLU thing and get: "/usr/bin/ld: /Library/Frameworks/osg.framework/osg load command 13 unknown cmd field" and "/usr/bin/ld: /Library/Frameworks/osgViewer.framework/osgViewer load command 20 unknown cmd field" |
| 00:13.53 | brlcad | hm |
| 00:13.57 | brlcad | sounds like a busted lib |
| 00:15.11 | brlcad | though I've never heard of that ld error either .. kinda wierd |
| 00:15.19 | CBG | :( |
| 00:15.43 | brlcad | ls -la /Library/Frameworks/osg.framework/osg |
| 00:16.26 | CBG | -rwxr-xr-x 1 501 admin 13689228 Jun 15 16:33 /Library/Frameworks/osg.framework/osg |
| 00:17.23 | brlcad | hm, that looks right |
| 00:17.39 | brlcad | are you ppc or i386? |
| 00:18.04 | brlcad | i'm thinking they didn't make the universal right |
| 00:18.09 | CBG | intel |
| 00:18.19 | CBG | i386 |
| 00:20.46 | brlcad | sudo mv /Library/Frameworks/osg.framework/osg /Library/Frameworks/osg.framework/osg.backup && sudo lipo -output /Library/Frameworks/osg.framework/osg -extract i386 /Library/Frameworks/osg.framework/osg2 |
| 00:20.50 | brlcad | try that |
| 00:21.05 | brlcad | it's a really long shot, but migth help |
| 00:21.24 | CBG | lipo: can't open input file: /Library/Frameworks/osg.framework/osg2 (No such file or directory) |
| 00:21.25 | brlcad | oops |
| 00:21.35 | brlcad | s/osg2/osg.backup/ |
| 00:21.52 | brlcad | it already did the mv, just copy from sudo lipo on |
| 00:22.23 | CBG | done |
| 00:22.29 | brlcad | try linking again |
| 00:23.05 | brlcad | if it's the same error, you'll probably have to compile osg yourself |
| 00:23.25 | CBG | linking? |
| 00:23.30 | brlcad | "make" |
| 00:23.45 | brlcad | it compiles .. then links your application |
| 00:23.53 | brlcad | right now, your build is failing in the linking phase |
| 00:24.11 | CBG | same errors |
| 00:25.42 | brlcad | ooh, wonder if its the opposite problem |
| 00:27.44 | brlcad | sudo lipo -output /Library/Frameworks/osg.framework/osg -extract ppc /Library/Frameworks/osg.framework/osg.backup |
| 00:28.08 | CBG | seemed to work |
| 00:28.20 | brlcad | ahh, interesting |
| 00:28.25 | brlcad | you mean it linked? |
| 00:28.34 | CBG | now slightly diffrerent errors with make all: |
| 00:28.44 | CBG | "/usr/bin/ld: warning fat file: /Library/Frameworks/osg.framework/osg does not contain an architecture that matches the specified -arch flag: i386 (file ignored)" and "/usr/bin/ld: /Library/Frameworks/osgViewer.framework/osgViewer load command 20 unknown cmd field" |
| 00:28.58 | brlcad | ah |
| 00:29.06 | brlcad | no, it didn't work |
| 00:29.53 | brlcad | hm, try this |
| 00:32.06 | brlcad | sudo lipo -output /Library/Frameworks/osg.framework/osg -extract i386 /Library/Frameworks/osg.framework/osg.backup && sudo cp /Library/Frameworks/osg.framework/osg /Library/Frameworks/osg.framework/libosg.dylib |
| 00:32.26 | brlcad | then add -L/Library/Frameworks/osg.framework -losg instead of -framework osg |
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| 00:32.56 | brlcad | make sure you notice if it no longer complains about osg and instead just complains about osgViewer (same goes for the previous attempts) |
| 00:34.30 | CBG | now: "/usr/bin/ld: /Library/Frameworks/osg.framework/libosg.dylib load command 13 unknown cmd field" and "/usr/bin/ld: /Library/Frameworks/osgViewer.framework/osgViewer load command 20 unknown cmd field" |
| 00:34.44 | brlcad | ah yeah, that library is fscked up |
| 00:34.50 | brlcad | you'll have to build it |
| 00:35.03 | brlcad | are you 10.4? |
| 00:35.35 | CBG | yes |
| 00:35.43 | CBG | I'm also tired. heh |
| 00:36.01 | CBG | will it take long? i's 1:35 AM and I work from 1PM till 9PM tomorrow. :( |
| 00:36.43 | brlcad | i've no idea |
| 00:36.49 | brlcad | last time i built osg was like a year ago |
| 00:37.07 | CBG | ok, thanks brlcad, jeff, everyone |
| 00:37.19 | CBG | I think I'll leave it till tomorrow or something. |
| 00:38.25 | Winny | any idea why a certain hostname wouldn't appear on the serverlist, but you can still connect to it? |
| 00:38.40 | Winny | (If I change the hsotname, it appears on the serverlist...) |
| 00:39.06 | CBG | the -publicaddr you mean? |
| 00:39.09 | brlcad | CBG: for what it's worth, that should be the "last step" |
| 00:39.21 | Winny | CBG: indeed |
| 00:39.26 | CBG | brlcad: ok, hope so :) thanks for all your attempts anyway |
| 00:40.02 | Winny | I wonder if the listserver's DNS hasn't updated yet |
| 00:40.05 | brlcad | if you compile it using autotools (configure stuff), it'll probably install into /usr/local and you'll just need to change the -framework osgViewer back to -losgViewer and remove the -L/Library/... |
| 00:40.19 | CBG | hmm, ok |
| 00:41.19 | catay | brlcad: you can change it in /etc/locale.gen and run locale-gen afterwards |
| 00:42.33 | brlcad | catay: cool, thanks! |
| 00:42.44 | brlcad | i'll give that a try |
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| 01:05.30 | tannerld_mac | whats wrong with the wiki? |
| 01:05.59 | CBG | nothing? |
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| 01:14.48 | blast007 | tannerld_mac: elaborate? |
| 01:15.38 | tannerld_mac | blast007: nvm - works better on my.bzflag.org instead of bzflag.org |
| 01:17.15 | blast007 | heh |
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| 02:03.56 | Winny | anyone interested in helping me test out lag and/or playing some BZ on my server? bzflagr.net:5154 |
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| 03:23.08 | AWOSLappy | Winny: in a few. |
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| 04:05.22 | jude- | woo! weekend! |
| 04:05.43 | jude- | brlcad: pingy |
| 04:06.55 | Winny | jude-: any idea when BZWB will be done done? |
| 04:08.01 | jude- | Winny: it'll be done when it's ready |
| 04:08.10 | Winny | jude-: any time guess... |
| 04:08.11 | jude- | right now, it's somewhere between alpha and beta |
| 04:08.46 | jude- | depending on how much homework I get, and depending on how willing other BZFlag developers are to help create object support (which are handled as BZWB plugins), it could be anywhere between next week and Christmas |
| 04:09.03 | jude- | most likely, 1.0 will be reached by October |
| 04:09.08 | jude- | if not earlier |
| 04:09.13 | Winny | yay |
| 04:09.24 | jude- | it's usable now to create 1.x worlds |
| 04:09.36 | jude- | 2.x back-end support is my main focus now |
| 04:09.46 | jude- | (so developing plug-ins will be easier) |
| 04:11.23 | jude- | my mentor and I concluded that I should be focusing on the non-object code; rather, I should work on adding/improving editor features |
| 04:11.42 | jude- | ...and objects that would be hard to implement |
| 04:12.09 | jude- | like materials, dynamicColors, texturematrices, define/group pairs, physics drivers, etc (i.e. stuff that isn't easily renderable) |
| 04:14.24 | AWOSLappy | jude-!!!! |
| 04:15.05 | AWOSLappy | Winny: I can test now, please |
| 04:15.26 | jude- | "huggles" ??? |
| 04:15.36 | AWOSLappy | ~stth jude- |
| 04:15.37 | ibot | ACTION stalks jude- for a long time and then sneaks to about 50 yards behind jude-, gets a running start and tacklehugs jude- to the ground, then tickles jude- until jude- is beyond all hope of rescue |
| 04:15.46 | AWOSLappy | hrm, wrong one |
| 04:15.49 | AWOSLappy | ~hug jude- |
| 04:15.49 | ibot | ACTION jumps into jude-'s lap and huggles and *hugs* jude- |
| 04:15.53 | AWOSLappy | THAT'S IT! |
| 04:16.01 | jude- | ~dict huggles |
| 04:16.03 | AWOSLappy | jude-: see, ibot does it. |
| 04:16.07 | AWOSLappy | ~dict huggle |
| 04:16.08 | jude- | ahhh |
| 04:16.17 | jude- | lol |
| 04:16.21 | AWOSLappy | :D |
| 04:16.25 | AWOSLappy | Obsolete as of 1913. |
| 04:16.35 | jude- | that's too bad...it's a funny word |
| 04:16.42 | jude- | and funny words should never die |
| 04:18.33 | tannerld | don't overdose on the caffine |
| 04:19.11 | jude- | is that even possible? ;) |
| 04:19.16 | blast007 | yes ;) |
| 04:21.01 | jude- | ...without ice |
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| 04:35.09 | AWOSLappy | jude-: it won't work / isn't worth the hassle to run bzwb on Win32 |
| 04:35.12 | AWOSLappy | I'm going to run it on Linux |
| 04:35.59 | jude- | that's the best choice at this point in time :/ |
| 04:36.12 | jude- | getting OSG alone to build on Windoze is a pain |
| 04:36.36 | AWOSLappy | yep. |
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| 04:37.07 | Legolas_ | hello |
| 04:37.15 | blast007 | hi |
| 04:37.18 | jude- | hello Legolas_ |
| 04:37.24 | AWOSLappy | Hello there, Legolas_! |
| 04:44.44 | brlcad | jude-: thanks for the screenie |
| 04:44.47 | brlcad | much better |
| 04:45.26 | jude- | kk |
| 04:45.30 | jude- | just making sure you got it :) |
| 04:49.17 | brlcad | yep |
| 04:49.22 | brlcad | it's already in the document |
| 04:49.57 | ruskie | good morrow all |
| 04:50.10 | brlcad | howdy ruskie |
| 04:51.00 | ruskie | well new mouse seems to be working well :) |
| 04:51.29 | jude- | brlcad: what do you intend to use the screenie for, if I may ask? |
| 04:53.07 | blast007 | jude-: ransom |
| 04:54.12 | jude- | hehe |
| 04:54.45 | jude- | tie it up, blind-fold it, and demand payment from the map-maker community if they ever want to see it again :) |
| 04:54.53 | blast007 | :) |
| 04:55.06 | jude- | ...of course, then comes the forking |
| 04:55.16 | brlcad | you'll see soon enough ;) |
| 04:55.23 | jude- | :) |
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| 05:14.34 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03judecn * r15408 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 05:14.34 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Modified bz2object so it will insert "shift" transformations to emulate |
| 05:14.35 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: the "position" keyword if it isn't a supported key; re-wrote scaling and |
| 05:14.35 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: rotating operations for group (doesn't yet render EXACTLY like the BZFlag |
| 05:14.35 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: client [i.e. boxes and pyramids are "properly" translated about the |
| 05:14.37 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: group's origin in BZWB, but in BZFlag they maintain their global |
| 05:14.39 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: orientations, etc]). |
| 05:20.57 | jude- | groups aren't fully working yet...don't expect much from them :/ |
| 05:22.18 | blast007 | I'll be happy if it builds (I'm on Windows) ;) |
| 05:22.25 | jude- | ahhh |
| 05:22.30 | jude- | DTRemenak got it working once, IIRC |
| 05:22.40 | blast007 | OSG doesn't see too bad |
| 05:22.49 | jude- | I'm not sure how up-to-date BZWB's vcproj files are, however :/ |
| 05:22.57 | blast007 | I'll find out :) |
| 05:23.23 | blast007 | I've updated project files before |
| 05:23.54 | blast007 | I was one of the last ones to "maintain" the VC6 files for bzflag, since I was one of the few that still used it |
| 05:24.00 | blast007 | then I finally got VC7.1 ;) |
| 05:24.37 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03judecn * r15409 10/trunk/bzworkbench/objects/group.cpp: |
| 05:24.37 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: When importing groups from a .bzw file, make sure that the group forwards |
| 05:24.37 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: spin transformations to the child node that actually contains the map |
| 05:24.37 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: objects to ensure that the pink group ring doesn't get transformed along |
| 05:24.37 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: with them. |
| 05:24.51 | jude- | heh |
| 05:25.08 | jude- | OSG's Win32 build system is kinda weird...uses both VC6 and VC7.1, IIRC |
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| 05:25.52 | blast007 | I don't have VC6, and it's building |
| 05:26.20 | jude- | cool |
| 05:26.29 | jude- | maybe OSG smartened up and fixed it :) |
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| 05:30.15 | lego | hello again |
| 05:30.40 | Winny | heh |
| 05:30.45 | jude- | connection problems? |
| 05:30.57 | AWOSLappy | Power outage? |
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| 05:31.57 | jude- | Legolas_: connection problems? |
| 05:32.16 | AWOSLappy | power outage? |
| 05:32.24 | Legolas_ | yes jude :) |
| 05:32.35 | jude- | nothing too serious I hope? |
| 05:32.43 | Legolas_ | and yes awos |
| 05:32.54 | Legolas_ | just a blackout, lasted a few seconds.. |
| 05:33.08 | Legolas_ | I have 1 question regarding zones however |
| 05:33.11 | Pio | yrch |
| 05:33.16 | jude- | bring it on :) |
| 05:33.34 | Legolas_ | What is the difference between saftey and team? |
| 05:34.46 | jude- | "team" specifies which teams can spawn in the given zone |
| 05:34.46 | Legolas_ | Heres the problem: i have long boxes near the edge of the map |
| 05:35.04 | Legolas_ | and i just want people to spawn inbetween the two boxes |
| 05:35.16 | jude- | "safety" defines which team flags will fly into the given zone if dropped |
| 05:35.37 | jude- | Legolas_: then define a zone with the dimensions of the area between the boxes, and specify "team 0 1 2 3 4" |
| 05:35.38 | Legolas_ | so, team would be all teams and if i don't do a saftey, they will not fly coorrect? |
| 05:35.50 | jude- | right |
| 05:35.57 | Legolas_ | cool, just what i needed, thanks |
| 05:36.01 | jude- | np :) |
| 05:36.19 | Winny | judge judey- :p |
| 05:36.50 | jude- | Winny: if you have to make fun of my name, I prefer "Hey Jude" to anything that sounds/looks like "Judy" :) |
| 05:36.58 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r15410 10/trunk/db/bzfls2/bzfls.php: Send the text/html content type when we would be sending the HTML form, and text/plain otherwise. |
| 05:36.59 | Winny | ;D |
| 05:37.32 | jude- | ....for whatever it's worth :D |
| 05:39.30 | Winny | bed time... ananananananna bed time. BED TIME |
| 05:39.32 | blast007 | jude-: for OSG: Build: 64 succeeded, 0 failed, 2 skipped :) |
| 05:39.36 | Winny | ok, that was lame |
| 05:39.57 | jude- | Winny: huh??? |
| 05:40.17 | jude- | blast007: did libosg and libosgviewer build properly? |
| 05:40.40 | blast007 | yeah |
| 05:40.42 | jude- | IIRC, those are the two libs I specify in BZWB's makefile to link against |
| 05:40.51 | jude- | I'm not sure if they themselves require other libs, however :/ |
| 05:41.19 | jude- | hopefully not the skipped ones :) |
| 05:41.38 | jude- | blast007: you have had the most successful build of OSG on a Windows system that I have heard of to date :) |
| 05:42.43 | Legolas_ | Now, this zone is the only place people will spawn, correct? |
| 05:42.43 | Legolas_ | great, its working, thanks jude |
| 05:43.08 | jude- | np :) |
| 05:43.30 | jude- | the zone will be the only place people will spawn as long as you don't specify any other zones with "team 0 1 2 3 4" :) |
| 05:43.46 | jude- | (or with "team" specified at all, for that matter) |
| 05:43.58 | blast007 | does a zone override spawning on a team base? |
| 05:44.27 | jude- | I dunno |
| 05:44.36 | jude- | haven't tried it yet :) |
| 05:52.58 | jude- | heh |
| 05:56.54 | blast007 | wow... lots of warnings during the build of bzwb (most/all inside OSG headers) |
| 05:57.01 | blast007 | almost at 2000 :) |
| 05:57.36 | blast007 | s/almost at/well past/ |
| 05:57.40 | jude- | let me guess: double vs float explicit declaration? |
| 05:57.51 | ruskie | hmm is it possible for a client to ignore server side settings i.e. vertical shot speed and such? |
| 05:58.15 | blast007 | jude-: nope |
| 05:58.19 | blast007 | c:\Libraries\OpenSceneGraph-2.0\OpenSceneGraph\include\osg\PagedLOD(32): warning C4541: 'dynamic_cast' used on polymorphic type 'osg::Object' with /GR-; unpredictable behavior may result |
| 05:58.38 | blast007 | oh, that might just be my fault |
| 05:58.43 | jude- | that's listed on the OSG FAQ...let me pull up the page |
| 05:59.36 | jude- | blast007: http://www.3drealtimesimulation.com/osg/osg_faq_1.htm#f25 |
| 06:01.01 | Epyon | morning all ^_^ |
| 06:01.07 | jude- | good morning Epyon :) |
| 06:01.24 | blast007 | that helps out a lot ;) |
| 06:01.29 | Epyon | I switched my personal timezone :P |
| 06:01.36 | Constitution | hi Epyon :) |
| 06:01.44 | blast007 | only getting a handful of them in FLTK now |
| 06:01.56 | Epyon | It's probably night for you all :P |
| 06:02.11 | jude- | Epyon: 11:08 pm locally here |
| 06:04.29 | Legolas_ | jude, you in California? |
| 06:04.52 | jude- | Legolas_ no, Arizona (same time as CA this time of year) |
| 06:05.38 | L4m3r | not that it matters... if I lived in AZ I'd want to be noctournal anyway. :P |
| 06:05.52 | jude- | L4m3r: that's the idea :) |
| 06:05.52 | L4m3r | it's bad enough out here |
| 06:08.41 | Legolas_ | What is the command for All permissions? |
| 06:08.48 | Legolas_ | in the groups file? |
| 06:09.04 | Constitution | log into a server and do /groupperms |
| 06:10.26 | Legolas_ | That lists all the permissions, but in making the groups is there a * command or something to have that group get all permissions? |
| 06:10.32 | blast007 | jude-: I have a working BZWB :) |
| 06:10.38 | jude- | woot |
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| 06:10.42 | jude- | ~blast007++ |
| 06:11.04 | blast007 | we'll need a little bit of defines to get VC7.1 working |
| 06:11.27 | jude- | put'em in bzworkbench/include/defines.h...that's included in EVERY include file :) |
| 06:11.29 | blast007 | it lacks a vsnprintf function (but has one that starts with an underscore) |
| 06:11.42 | jude- | kk |
| 06:11.46 | blast007 | I mean specific to VC7.1 |
| 06:11.51 | jude- | ahhh |
| 06:12.01 | jude- | is the "_" present for all POSIX functions in Windows? |
| 06:12.10 | blast007 | VC8 might have vsnprintf |
| 06:12.31 | jude- | I don't really know...I haven't exactly used any of the VC's extensively enough to tell :/ |
| 06:12.39 | blast007 | #define vsnprintf _vsnprintf <-- that let me build |
| 06:12.43 | jude- | kk |
| 06:12.48 | Legolas_ | could we just use *Local.admin for that? |
| 06:13.47 | blast007 | jude-: you sure you want to do that? :/ |
| 06:14.07 | blast007 | not sure how that will act on other environments |
| 06:14.14 | jude- | ....inside of a #ifdef _WIN32_ ... #endif |
| 06:14.32 | blast007 | right, but again, VC8 might not need it |
| 06:14.45 | jude- | how does VC identify itself to the preprocessor? |
| 06:15.11 | jude- | #ifdef _VC8_ ? |
| 06:15.17 | blast007 | for bzflag, we have a config.h file inside the VC7.1 diretory along side the solution file and project files |
| 06:15.35 | Legolas_ | To all who care: yes, Using *LOCAL.ADMIN works |
| 06:15.44 | jude- | blast007: kk, I'll check it out |
| 06:15.46 | blast007 | and in there it has a define that says it has _vsnprintf |
| 06:17.35 | blast007 | jude-: are the buttons and menus to add objects supposed to do something? |
| 06:17.44 | jude- | the ones that work, yes |
| 06:17.56 | jude- | only boxes, pyramids, teleporters, bases, and cones currently work |
| 06:18.16 | blast007 | none of them seem to do anything for me :/ |
| 06:18.48 | blast007 | hmm |
| 06:18.50 | blast007 | bz2object::update(): Error! Could not find object data! |
| 06:19.05 | jude- | blast007: that's expected |
| 06:19.17 | blast007 | k |
| 06:19.26 | jude- | does it say anything else? |
| 06:20.11 | blast007 | from a clean start: |
| 06:20.13 | blast007 | Warning: Could not find plugin to read objects from file "share/tetrawall.png". |
| 06:20.13 | blast007 | Warning: Could not find plugin to read objects from file "share/world/std_ground.png". |
| 06:20.16 | blast007 | Warning: detected OpenGL error 'invalid enumerant' after RenderBin::draw(,) |
| 06:20.22 | jude- | those are from OSG |
| 06:20.25 | blast007 | k |
| 06:20.41 | jude- | you need the png parser plug-in |
| 06:21.06 | jude- | I guess nothing is showing up for you since it can't read in the objects correctly |
| 06:21.23 | blast007 | I see the 3D axis, so it seems to be adding things |
| 06:21.26 | blast007 | they just don't render |
| 06:21.30 | jude- | right |
| 06:24.47 | orthox | is there a way to clear the dns cache for the listserver? i started a server before i had the dns setup |
| 06:25.31 | blast007 | jude-: copied in all the plugin DLLs and now it works ;) |
| 06:25.36 | jude- | yay! |
| 06:25.41 | jude- | ~blast007++ |
| 06:26.00 | blast007 | orthox: what kind of TTL did your DNS records have? |
| 06:26.52 | blast007 | (if you aren't sure, I can check if I have the hostname) |
| 06:27.01 | orthox | 3840 |
| 06:27.03 | orthox | 0 |
| 06:27.06 | orthox | 38400 |
| 06:27.48 | orthox | problem was listserver would have gotten a failure when it requested the ip. and its caching that result. |
| 06:28.03 | orthox | borregorefugees.icarusfallen.net |
| 06:28.31 | orthox | last time this happened the list server seemed to recover in a few hours |
| 06:30.19 | blast007 | you'd have to talk to brlcad |
| 06:30.44 | orthox | who appears to be away, guess waiting is the solution. htanks |
| 06:30.46 | orthox | thanks |
| 06:31.41 | blast007 | that TTL comes out to 10 hours, 40 minutes |
| 06:32.04 | orthox | yeah, but it probably wound't apply as it wouldn't have returned a result |
| 06:32.41 | orthox | it would ahve replied with NXDOMAIN |
| 06:33.02 | jude- | Legolas_: nice map :) |
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| 06:34.59 | blast007 | orthox: ah |
| 06:35.24 | Legolas_ | Ok, it is getting late now, midnight pretty soon |
| 06:35.34 | Legolas_ | must go to the city tommorrow to go to a movie |
| 06:35.46 | Legolas_ | So, basically i must go to bed |
| 06:35.52 | Legolas_ | Thanks for everyones help! |
| 06:35.59 | jude- | Legolas_ np :) |
| 06:36.47 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15411 10/trunk/bzwgen/rules/roof.set: start.set holds the current test rule (commented) and roof.set has roof_classic added. |
| 06:38.46 | *** part/#bzflag Legolas_ (n=Legolas_@adsl-68-127-123-181.dsl.frsn02.pacbell.net) |
| 06:39.57 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r15412 10/trunk/bzworkbench/MSVC/VC7.1/ (. BZWorkbench.sln BZWorkbench.vcproj): Add VC7.1 project. Build doesn't fully work since VC7.1 has _vsnprintf instead of vsnprintf. We'll need to define vsnprintf for VC7.1 |
| 06:40.22 | jude- | ~blast007++ |
| 06:41.41 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03judecn * r15413 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (3 files in 3 dirs): |
| 06:41.41 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Added a line in defines.h that, when uncommented, creates the _vsnprintf macro. |
| 06:41.41 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Also, a bit more work on group and MasterConfigurationDialog (since using the master configuration |
| 06:41.41 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: dialog on a group somehow removes it's child objects :/) |
| 06:45.00 | jude- | ...and when I code when I'm tired, I make lots and lots of stupid bugs |
| 06:45.25 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15414 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (8 files in 4 dirs): OperationMultiFace/multiface() implemented - converts the current face into a multiface, and adds itself as the first element. |
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| 06:56.00 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15415 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (inc/Mesh.h src/Mesh.cxx): scaleFace(face,x,y) implemented |
| 06:59.58 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15416 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (6 files in 3 dirs): OperationScale/scale(x,y) implemented into the language. |
| 07:02.58 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15417 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (inc/Mesh.h src/Mesh.cxx): Mesh::translateFace(face,x,y,z) implemented. |
| 07:07.30 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15418 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (6 files in 3 dirs): OperationTranslate/translate(x,y,z) implemented into the language. |
| 07:13.47 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15419 10/trunk/bzwgen/doc/grammar.txt: Documented scale and translate |
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| 07:28.14 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15420 10/trunk/bzwgen/inc/MultiFace.h: isMultiFace for Face class - we need a way to check if typecasting into MultiFace is safe. |
| 07:28.56 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15421 10/trunk/bzwgen/inc/Face.h: isMultiFace for Face class - we need a way to check if typecasting into MultiFace is safe. <-- argh this one too |
| 07:49.37 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15422 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (inc/Mesh.h src/Mesh.cxx): freeVertices - experimental method to allow reusage of lost vertices. |
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| 08:09.33 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15423 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (inc/Mesh.h src/Mesh.cxx): freeFace(face) mesh operation added - marks face as not outputable, and free's all vertices. |
| 08:12.49 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15424 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (6 files in 3 dirs): OperationFree/free() added to the language. |
| 08:19.55 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15425 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (6 files in 3 dirs): OperationNGon/ngon(sides) added to the language. |
| 08:28.00 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15426 10/trunk/bzwgen/rules/ (ngon.set start.set): spawnngon substitutet with spawn() and ngon afterwards (cleaner way) |
| 08:31.51 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15427 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (6 files in 3 dirs): OperationSpawnNGon/spawnngon() now obsolete -- removed. |
| 08:37.12 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15428 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (6 files in 3 dirs): OperationRemove/remove() added to the language, marks the face as invisible, but doesn't free the vertices. |
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| 09:10.32 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15429 10/trunk/bzwgen/rules/ (build.set common.set sky.set): removed the ugly flashing ground effect, by using remove() |
| 09:10.47 | Epyon | brb |
| 09:50.37 | daxxar | ~svn |
| 09:50.38 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, subversion is version control software. see http://subversion.tigris.org/ it aims to be a better CVS than CVS. |
| 09:51.18 | daxxar | ~svn is subversion is a vcs, see http://subversion.tigris.org/ - bzflag svn is https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag |
| 09:51.18 | ibot | ...but svn is already something else... |
| 09:51.29 | daxxar | How do I overwrite? :-) |
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| 09:54.33 | AWOSLappy | daxxar: ~no, svn is |
| 09:54.37 | daxxar | Ah |
| 09:54.38 | AWOSLappy | ~no, svn is subversion is a vcs, see http://subversion.tigris.org/ - bzflag svn is https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag |
| 09:54.42 | AWOSLappy | ~svn |
| 09:54.43 | ibot | i heard subversion is version control software. see http://subversion.tigris.org/ it aims to be a better CVS than CVS. |
| 09:54.46 | AWOSLappy | >_> |
| 09:54.49 | AWOSLappy | ~no, svn |
| 09:54.51 | daxxar | Owned! :p |
| 09:55.07 | AWOSLappy | You don't really want to mess with that anyway |
| 09:55.11 | AWOSLappy | It's probably locked |
| 09:55.19 | AWOSLappy | remember ibot is on tens of other channels |
| 09:55.30 | AWOSLappy | is someone on #debian going to want to see bzflag svn? |
| 09:55.44 | AWOSLappy | ~bzsvn is https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag |
| 09:55.45 | ibot | ...but bzsvn is already something else... |
| 09:55.47 | AWOSLappy | lol |
| 09:55.49 | AWOSLappy | ~bzsvn |
| 09:55.50 | ibot | well, bzsvn is http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag bzflag |
| 09:55.59 | AWOSLappy | daxxar: thar ya go. |
| 09:56.06 | CBG | daxxar: ~no svn is great |
| 09:56.08 | CBG | It does not like commas. |
| 09:57.28 | CBG | probably not. |
| 09:57.28 | CBG | ~no svn is <reply> subversion is a vcs, see http://subversion.tigris.org/ - bzflag svn is https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag |
| 09:57.29 | ibot | CBG: okay |
| 09:57.29 | CBG | ~factinfo svn |
| 09:57.29 | ibot | svn -- last modified 0s ago by CBG!n=CBG@about/essy/fan/CBG; it has been requested 55 times, last by AWOSLappy, 2m 46s ago. |
| 09:57.53 | AWOSLappy | CBG: ahh, sorry bout that |
| 09:58.08 | AWOSLappy | but we already have bzsvn |
| 09:58.15 | AWOSLappy | ~revert svn |
| 09:58.22 | AWOSLappy | ~old svn |
| 09:59.40 | CBG | ~bzsvn |
| 09:59.40 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, bzsvn is http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag bzflag |
| 10:02.53 | AWOSLappy | night guys |
| 10:03.57 | CBG | cuy |
| 10:03.59 | CBG | cu* |
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| 11:23.40 | Manu | ciao Alfredo |
| 11:23.53 | tupone | hola Julio |
| 11:37.47 | daxxar | ~no svn is <reply> subversion is a vcs, see http://subversion.tigris.org/ - also, read ~bzsvn |
| 11:37.48 | ibot | okay, daxxar |
| 11:37.51 | daxxar | ~bzsvn |
| 11:37.52 | ibot | somebody said bzsvn was http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag bzflag |
| 11:37.52 | daxxar | ~svn |
| 11:37.53 | ibot | subversion is a vcs, see http://subversion.tigris.org/ - also, read ~bzsvn |
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| 11:56.08 | Epyon | re all : |
| 11:56.15 | Epyon | Anyone not asleep? :P |
| 11:59.25 | Rawk | heh |
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| 12:20.06 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15430 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (8 files in 3 dirs): OperationAddFace/addface(nonterm) added to the language. |
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| 12:57.38 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15431 10/trunk/bzwgen/src/Mesh.cxx: Added a hack to faceNormal, so it returns always 'up' for multifaces. Will be replaced by a proper algo later. |
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| 13:36.12 | orthox | does anyone know how to prevent tank height from appearing on radar? |
| 13:40.02 | catay | orthox: options -> gui settings -> radarstyle |
| 13:40.15 | orthox | from the server? |
| 13:40.19 | catay | ah |
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| 13:40.36 | catay | no idea |
| 13:40.47 | orthox | i've got this strange problem that i have a server that does exactly this, but i have no idea how it happened |
| 13:41.09 | forrestv | bzflag svn still has warnings and doesn't compile with gcc-4.2.0 with debug enabled |
| 13:41.11 | ruskie | hmmm |
| 13:41.18 | ruskie | orthox, I have a map that does that... |
| 13:41.20 | orthox | no height on radar apparently enforced from the server |
| 13:41.29 | ruskie | no clue why though |
| 13:41.32 | orthox | me either |
| 13:41.41 | ruskie | but then radar is supposed to be useless on that map :) |
| 13:41.54 | orthox | heh |
| 13:41.55 | forrestv | its boxHeight |
| 13:42.32 | catay | maybe it depends on which object types used |
| 13:42.53 | catay | on a ducati style map you also don't see the height |
| 13:43.06 | orthox | forestv: thanks thats exactly it. |
| 13:43.21 | orthox | strangely its set to 20000 |
| 13:43.37 | forrestv | set it to a large number |
| 13:43.37 | forrestv | very large |
| 13:43.46 | forrestv | or very small |
| 13:43.55 | forrestv | then you won't be able to see the box |
| 13:44.01 | forrestv | it will be so big |
| 13:46.50 | orthox | thanks |
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| 14:33.09 | delusional | I'm looking in an old trepan map, called "eggs". it had only one SkyBoxMaterial.. I figure it has to be a SkyDome.c an't make it work, of course. |
| 14:33.46 | delusional | trepan, any comment? |
| 14:39.36 | trepan | link to the map? |
| 14:40.03 | trepan | (might be using an alternate multitexture format) |
| 14:42.17 | delusional | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/670199 |
| 14:42.32 | delusional | i've tried textures of a half dozen sizes |
| 14:44.18 | trepan | oh, you've already editted it; was there only one texture listed before ? |
| 14:44.30 | trepan | and ... that map uses features that I never committed |
| 14:45.22 | trepan | like the *cube* tags (represent 6 textures) |
| 14:46.18 | trepan | in short, forget it ;-) |
| 14:46.29 | delusional | i only changed a couple lines..trying to make it do"something" |
| 14:46.42 | delusional | i figured as much, just thught I'd ask. |
| 14:46.54 | delusional | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:52.58 | daxxar | WAITFORIIIT! |
| 14:53.17 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03daxxar * r15432 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzrobots/ (20 files): (log message trimmed) |
| 14:53.17 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: The generated source now also depends on BZAdvancedRobot.h. |
| 14:53.17 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Added new class, Tank, which is a superficial data-representation of other tanks. (this is swigged) |
| 14:53.17 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: New API call, getPlayers(), which updates the variable 'players' (which has a Tank for each other player). |
| 14:53.17 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: MessageUtils::parse now defined for std::string. |
| 14:53.20 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Added std::vector<Tank> & std::string to bzrobot.i. |
| 14:53.22 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Tweaked behaviour of onHitWall in *.py. ;-) |
| 14:53.31 | daxxar | Wah-BAM. |
| 14:53.36 | delusional | swigged? |
| 14:53.48 | daxxar | SWIGed |
| 14:53.49 | daxxar | :P |
| 14:53.53 | daxxar | SWIGified |
| 14:54.00 | daxxar | I.e. wrapped for python-usage etc via SWIG |
| 14:54.16 | delusional | ah, thought it was in the process of drinking a beer. |
| 14:54.43 | daxxar | Taking a swig, yeah. ;p |
| 14:55.36 | delusional | bit early for that. /me dusts off clock that says "I don't drink before 5" .. and all the numbers are 5. |
| 14:56.43 | daxxar | Hehe ;-) |
| 14:56.48 | daxxar | Never too early! |
| 15:00.25 | daxxar | forrestv: "doesn't compile"? |
| 15:00.52 | forrestv | has warnings, so doesn't compile with --enable-debug |
| 15:01.22 | forrestv | one warning is an empty else statement in textutils |
| 15:01.43 | forrestv | next is depreciated string conversions is serverlist |
| 15:03.02 | daxxar | Oh, okay. I didn't know --enable-debug used -Werror |
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| 15:07.44 | forrestv | i'm working on patches |
| 15:11.40 | Winny | lots of voiced people today |
| 15:15.58 | blast007 | Winny: we're ready to sing |
| 15:16.07 | spldart | Man... what's worse... moderate lag or low lost packet count |
| 15:16.14 | blast007 | and a 1, a 2, a 1 2 3! |
| 15:16.23 | blast007 | spldart: lag |
| 15:16.31 | spldart | I wonder sometimes |
| 15:16.57 | Winny | spldart: my ISP sucks, I usually have 1%, and its unnoticable |
| 15:17.23 | spldart | 200 lag can sometimes be compensated for if they are juking really well but when they drop packets kills that had them dead to rights can occasionally be ignored by their client |
| 15:18.10 | blast007 | it really depends |
| 15:18.29 | blast007 | in either case, I usually remove them |
| 15:18.59 | blast007 | I've even found that some ISPs have the same issues over and over on my servers, so I just prevent those ISPs from joining |
| 15:19.04 | spldart | Meh... I'm just bishing... sry... btw? Has anyone else noticed how expensive packages are getting to ship these last few years 8-0 |
| 15:19.28 | spldart | Hrm... ISP's with lag or with packet loss or both? |
| 15:19.36 | blast007 | gas prices affect a lot of things |
| 15:20.12 | blast007 | both |
| 15:20.16 | spldart | A box I coulda shipped for 7 and change 3 years ago cost me 15 and change today... I was like 8- | (thud) |
| 15:20.49 | spldart | Are those isp's serving primarily dialup or are some of them broadband... Or is there no way to tell? |
| 15:21.20 | Winny | most ISPs just overload their tubezz |
| 15:21.30 | blast007 | they're from out of the country |
| 15:21.36 | spldart | those thilthy bastages :) |
| 15:21.41 | spldart | AH! |
| 15:22.18 | blast007 | I have one in Germany that I found to be consistently laggy |
| 15:22.30 | spldart | I've jumped on some european servers occasionally... only had a problem with lag at times but not packet loss.... I wonder how much it costs to ship my packets across the pond..... |
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| 15:29.46 | spldart | attn: mofokickass.net |
| 15:30.16 | spldart | player with extremely offensive tanker name |
| 15:30.37 | spldart | does mofo server have any rules? |
| 15:32.19 | delusional | not for names, words |
| 15:32.57 | delusional | other than racial, we have zero tolerance for racial abuse |
| 15:33.11 | spldart | IC... wow... I'll have to think of something nice and offensive to play in there with 8-D |
| 15:33.43 | spldart | Thanks for the clarification... although.. the name could be considered highly offensive to female persuasion |
| 15:33.59 | spldart | So... not racist but sexist |
| 15:41.06 | spldart | HEHEHE I'm so easily entertained |
| 15:45.38 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03daxxar * r15433 10/trunk/bzflag/ (8 files in 4 dirs): |
| 15:45.38 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Fixed various warnings with regards type-punning. Removed some unused symbols. |
| 15:45.38 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: MathUtils.h still needs FP_BITS fixed (so it doesn't dereference type-punned pointers). |
| 15:45.38 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: (Someone should review this diff, make sure I do not change any of the bevhaviour!) |
| 15:45.45 | daxxar | DTRemenak, brlcad: Could one of you review my latest commit? (r15433) |
| 15:45.56 | daxxar | Or anyone else who feels like it (blast007, etc) |
| 15:47.20 | daxxar | Some of the warnings are caused by using ntohl twice in the same expression (or something?), something about shadowing local var __x. |
| 15:47.48 | daxxar | Then there's FP_BITS, and some function-pointer-voodoo with dlsym in bzfsPlugins.cxx |
| 15:48.37 | daxxar | I'm not sure why it's *(void**)&funcPtr = dlsym(...); |
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| 15:51.33 | daxxar | JeffM: If you're bored, you can review the diff in r15433 ;-) |
| 15:51.53 | daxxar | Fixed various warnings with regards type-punning. -- And I want to be 100% sure I didn't change any behaviour |
| 15:53.38 | JeffM | what project? |
| 15:53.51 | daxxar | Mostly bzfs |
| 15:54.01 | daxxar | Or well, generic stuff (bzflag/bzfs) |
| 15:54.56 | daxxar | Files in include/, in src/bzflag and in src/bzfs |
| 16:02.33 | daxxar | Perhaps I should add template<class To, class From> To force_cast (From const & f) { union { From f; To t; } fc; fc.f = f; return fc.t; } to common.h or something |
| 16:02.43 | daxxar | Instead of manually making a union for each time. |
| 16:03.30 | JeffM | it all builds |
| 16:04.19 | forrestv | daxxar: whats the difference between 2.0.x compatible svn and svn trunk? |
| 16:05.55 | JeffM | forrestv, you mean in general? |
| 16:06.14 | forrestv | what parts of the code are different? |
| 16:06.32 | JeffM | trunk has had about a year and a half of changes |
| 16:06.46 | JeffM | so it's got changes all over it |
| 16:06.57 | forrestv | is it worth making patches for the 2.0.x compatible svn? |
| 16:07.06 | forrestv | for gcc 4.2? |
| 16:07.18 | JeffM | what did you have to change? |
| 16:07.19 | daxxar | JeffM: Builds != behaves identically |
| 16:07.33 | JeffM | daxxar, you changed features that have no testing methods yet |
| 16:07.37 | JeffM | so there is no way to know |
| 16:07.55 | daxxar | JeffM: I know, but they are like 3 lines added, 2 lines removed. |
| 16:08.02 | forrestv | i have had to change mainly empty else statements and invalid const string declarations |
| 16:08.15 | forrestv | that are now depreciated in gcc 4.2 |
| 16:08.18 | daxxar | And you know C++. I just wanted you to tell me if you saw anything that tells you that behaviour has changed. |
| 16:08.37 | JeffM | forrestv, I'd submit it |
| 16:08.44 | JeffM | how envasive are the changes? |
| 16:08.49 | forrestv | not at all |
| 16:08.55 | forrestv | extremely simple |
| 16:09.08 | JeffM | daxxar, oh you just want a code review |
| 16:09.23 | JeffM | forrestv, then yeah submit it, we can apply it to branch svn |
| 16:09.43 | JeffM | we don't have plans to do a 2.0.10, but at least people with that compiler can use svn |
| 16:10.01 | JeffM | 4.2 the very newest GCC? |
| 16:10.16 | forrestv | yep |
| 16:10.38 | forrestv | i'll look at the trunk svn later |
| 16:12.04 | JeffM | daxxar, look like simple changes |
| 16:12.27 | daxxar | JeffM: Aye, but I find pointer voodoo like that a bit scary to change around. ;-) |
| 16:12.45 | daxxar | Anyway, I think I'll recommit with a new template function called force_cast, and use that instead of anonymous unions. |
| 16:12.57 | forrestv | can i just give someone here the patch? |
| 16:13.26 | daxxar | sf.net is the best place to submit, I guess? |
| 16:13.41 | daxxar | But I guess you could just pass them to someone in here with commit-access |
| 16:14.05 | blast007 | forrestv: submit it via the SF.net patch tracker |
| 16:14.25 | JeffM | mehh, union, memcopy.. same thing to the compiler |
| 16:14.51 | daxxar | force_cast uses unions |
| 16:14.56 | daxxar | It's just a bit nicer ;-) |
| 16:30.08 | spldart | Hrm... forrestv..... I was a poll ban on your name on a server just 34 minutes ago.. or so |
| 16:30.16 | spldart | s /was/saw |
| 16:33.41 | spldart | meh.. make that 45 or so... looking at the clock |
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| 16:40.06 | forrestv | Submitted: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=303248&aid=1781746&group_id=3248 |
| 16:40.10 | spldart | that is so wierd.... Had a switch go T.U. last week so I'm down to my 4 port router. One of the three pc's is now responsible for ICS using IPTables on that 4 port.. No broadband modem any more. Occasionally 2 of the other pc's loose domain name lookup service... the other one is fine.. don't get it |
| 16:40.30 | ruskie | it's the crap switch in the router |
| 16:40.36 | ruskie | had it happen on a lot of such devices |
| 16:41.18 | spldart | Used to not happen... that would mean a 4 port 10/100 switch and the router switch have both failed/failing in the last week.. Grrrrr. |
| 16:41.37 | ruskie | the router switch is usually foobared from the start |
| 16:41.44 | ruskie | atleast for anything more than a single box |
| 16:41.57 | ruskie | atleast that was my experience |
| 16:42.26 | spldart | True... they are cheezy... but this is new... Time for a new switch and my budget is foobar already :( |
| 16:42.46 | ruskie | I've had this trendnet switch for hmm a few years now... |
| 16:42.55 | ruskie | 8 port 10/100 |
| 16:43.11 | ruskie | for the most part it has constant traffic on half the ports |
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| 16:45.35 | spldart | 8 port 10/100 is a smartlink... 2 years old... seems to have completely quit.. (all links flash) and now my D-link is crapping out... POOP |
| 16:46.13 | spldart | I have a spare 8 port base 10... fine for intarweb but not for transfering eleventybillion gig in files |
| 16:46.52 | daxxar | Tada. |
| 16:47.00 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03daxxar * r15434 10/trunk/bzflag/ (6 files in 3 dirs): |
| 16:47.00 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Added new force_cast<Foo *>(bar) whichs avoids type punning issues. |
| 16:47.00 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: bzfs+bzflag+bzrobots now compiles without warnings, except for htonl's __x-shadowing and SWIG+Python-warnings. |
| 16:52.50 | daxxar | Anyone on anything other than x86/linux/gcc 4.1.2; feel free to compile this. :-) |
| 16:55.11 | spldart | lol |
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| 17:19.12 | forrestv | daxxar : can you apply https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=303248&aid=1781746&group_id=3248 ? |
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| 17:25.56 | forrestv | daxxar: the same exact patch applies on the trunk, and fixes it also. |
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| 17:28.17 | daxxar | forrestv: why static char -> const char? That's hardly the same |
| 17:28.20 | daxxar | Perhaps you want static const? |
| 17:29.02 | daxxar | Anyway, I can't do it right now, omw out the door |
| 17:29.23 | forrestv | k |
| 17:29.41 | forrestv | it doesn't need static |
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| 18:20.30 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15435 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (9 files in 4 dirs): OperationTranslateR/translater(x,y,z) added to the language. |
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| 18:31.19 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r15436 10/trunk/db/bzfls2/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 18:31.19 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Move functions.*.php into includes/ |
| 18:31.19 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Add some better validation and more feedback during ADD requests |
| 18:33.16 | Epyon | what's bzfls2? |
| 18:33.43 | blast007 | list server rewrite |
| 18:33.53 | Winny | bzflag super 2 |
| 18:40.08 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15437 10/trunk/bzwgen/src/lexer.l: Duh, bad lexer definition :/ |
| 18:46.02 | Winny | a FYI: some guy named "ford" is going around cheating, he has lockon laser |
| 18:49.05 | Epyon | 1MB map... darn, bzwgen is growing soft. |
| 18:50.15 | Winny | 1mb? Thats nothing. |
| 18:50.29 | Winny | I had a 18mb map, it took the client like 4min to load :p |
| 18:50.36 | Epyon | That's what I mean. |
| 18:50.51 | Epyon | bzwgen had at one point produced 37MB map :P |
| 18:57.51 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15438 10/trunk/bzwgen/inc/globals.h: samepoint inline func added |
| 18:58.57 | Epyon | tannerld, how large is the bzw? |
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| 19:06.26 | tannerld | Epyon: failed to create one |
| 19:06.49 | Epyon | gimme the whole command line |
| 19:07.49 | Epyon | just -s 2000 ? |
| 19:08.06 | tannerld | yep |
| 19:08.46 | Epyon | It didn't segfault on me o.O |
| 19:09.03 | Epyon | maybe you have a broken version - does it do normal maps? |
| 19:09.35 | Epyon | (16 MB output size BTW -_-) |
| 19:11.19 | tannerld | eh |
| 19:11.22 | tannerld | no |
| 19:11.30 | tannerld | segfaualts w/o args |
| 19:11.31 | tannerld | :E |
| 19:11.39 | Epyon | svn head should be safe afaik |
| 19:11.42 | Epyon | try it |
| 19:11.56 | Epyon | *afaik* |
| 19:12.05 | Epyon | I'm in the middle of deving :P |
| 19:12.42 | Epyon | just check after checkout if start.set has the spawn(test_run) commented *out* |
| 19:14.06 | tannerld | its not |
| 19:15.40 | Epyon | Then put a "#" sign before the rule with -> 0.5 : sidewalk_sky spawn(test_run) |
| 19:16.53 | tannerld | wait - it does have a # already |
| 19:16.56 | tannerld | grep told me wrong |
| 19:22.43 | Epyon | any perl users here? |
| 19:25.18 | Epyon | Is there any way I could see wireframe in the client? |
| 19:25.32 | Winny | IS THERE |
| 19:25.40 | Winny | start bzflag with bzflag -debug |
| 19:25.41 | Epyon | ? |
| 19:25.48 | Winny | then go into display settings |
| 19:26.15 | Winny | and turn on hidden line and wireframe |
| 19:26.41 | Epyon | thanks :) |
| 19:27.15 | Winny | bp |
| 19:27.18 | Winny | np, even |
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| 19:34.31 | Ebert | anyone know who's in charge of dub.bzflag.org |
| 19:35.46 | Ebert | is that a hint? |
| 19:35.51 | Ebert | :D |
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| 19:48.45 | TD-Linux | Epyon, it segfaults for me |
| 19:49.07 | TD-Linux | BTW I'm excited, LOTS of svn updates! |
| 19:50.21 | TD-Linux | it segfaults after Regsitering Materials... Done. |
| 19:50.30 | TD-Linux | I'm only giving the -t option. |
| 19:50.40 | TD-Linux | gives lots of bad building/floor coord errors |
| 19:59.51 | tannerld | same here |
| 20:11.45 | brlcad | sup to da homies |
| 20:12.58 | brlcad | orthox: problem with list server? |
| 20:13.19 | brlcad | wow, long log |
| 20:15.16 | brlcad | blast007: it pretty much is (_'d posix/bsd funcs for windows) there's only a couple not available |
| 20:16.42 | brlcad | orthox: I imagine it's fixed itself by now -- the cache time isn't that long |
| 20:16.42 | blast007 | k |
| 20:18.20 | brlcad | ~svn |
| 20:18.21 | ibot | subversion is a vcs, see http://subversion.tigris.org/ - also, read ~bzsvn |
| 20:18.47 | TD-Linux | http://my.bzflag.org/w/SVN |
| 20:19.17 | brlcad | ~no, svn is <reply>Subversion (aka SVN) is version control software that aims to be a better CVS than CVS. See http://subversion.tigris.org/. |
| 20:19.24 | brlcad | the svn factoid shouldn't refer to bz |
| 20:23.41 | brlcad | daxxar: hehe |
| 20:23.57 | brlcad | nice |
| 20:25.07 | AAA_awright | ~git |
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| 20:26.59 | AAA_awright | ~git is a distributed version control system that aims to be better then SVN. See http://git.or.cz/ |
| 20:26.59 | ibot | ACTION declares is a distributed version control system that aims to be better then SVN. See http://git.or.cz/ a total smeghead |
| 20:27.13 | AAA_awright | ... |
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| 20:31.07 | KTL | ~dict smeghead |
| 20:31.39 | forrestv | ~dict bzflag |
| 20:31.49 | forrestv | ~dict flag |
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| 20:56.51 | brlcad | about 5 of 7 pages done so far |
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| 20:59.23 | I_Died_Once | not that anyone care, but in case they might... |
| 20:59.48 | I_Died_Once | we are about to play one last round of CTF on Planet MoFo before switching over to the Week of the Rabbit Hunt |
| 20:59.58 | brlcad | heh |
| 21:00.00 | brlcad | cool |
| 21:00.07 | I_Died_Once | anyone wanting to play in this last CTF game on port 4200 might want to fire up their client |
| 21:00.25 | I_Died_Once | and take part in the start of the week of the rabbit hunt |
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| 21:32.27 | spldart | oih oh oh oh... Rabbit hunt!@!!!\ |
| 21:33.09 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15439 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (MSVC/lexer.cxx inc/MultiFace.h inc/globals.h rules/start.set): lexer.l was updated, didn't update .cxx |
| 21:33.21 | Epyon | Aaah, this was a too large commit -_- |
| 21:34.00 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15440 10/trunk/bzwgen/rules/start.set: Commented out the test rule |
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| 21:37.57 | TD-Linux | ./inc/globals.h: In function ‘bool commonrange(float, float, float, float, float&)’: |
| 21:37.57 | TD-Linux | ./inc/globals.h:228: error: ‘max’ was not declared in this scope |
| 21:37.57 | TD-Linux | ./inc/globals.h:228: error: ‘min’ was not declared in this scope |
| 21:39.42 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15441 10/trunk/bzwgen/inc/globals.h: max -> maxf, min -> minf |
| 21:40.08 | Epyon | TD-Linux, but all todays and most of yesterdays work is not yet visible anyway :( |
| 21:40.32 | Epyon | I'm working on multiface to handle incident edges properly. |
| 21:41.10 | TD-Linux | that means it will be really good when it's done? |
| 21:41.20 | Epyon | Probably :) |
| 21:42.09 | daxxar | brlcad: DarN! ;-) |
| 21:42.14 | daxxar | brlcad: Did you see the latest commit? |
| 21:43.29 | brlcad | yes, though not gone through it in my usual detail just quite yet |
| 21:43.33 | brlcad | more just the summary :) |
| 21:43.39 | daxxar | Hehe, okay. |
| 21:43.41 | daxxar | Good night, :-) |
| 21:43.47 | brlcad | still busy writing |
| 21:43.54 | brlcad | trying to finish that today |
| 21:44.01 | brlcad | might get you to read your snippet |
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| 21:48.28 | Legolas_ | hello |
| 21:49.29 | Legolas_ | anyone seen the jude man? |
| 21:49.45 | brlcad | it's not his time of day just yet |
| 21:49.52 | Legolas_ | K |
| 21:49.56 | brlcad | ~seen judi- |
| 21:49.57 | ibot | i haven't seen 'judi-', brlcad |
| 21:49.58 | brlcad | ~seen jude- |
| 21:49.59 | ibot | jude- <n=jude@c-68-84-206-92.hsd1.az.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 15h 4m 59s ago, saying: '...and when I code when I'm tired, I make lots and lots of stupid bugs'. |
| 21:50.23 | Legolas_ | he was talking about some screenshots of bzworkbench at the blog, i dont see them |
| 21:50.32 | brlcad | near the bottom |
| 21:50.48 | brlcad | unless you mean the new ones |
| 21:50.55 | Legolas_ | yes, new ones |
| 21:51.03 | Legolas_ | he said it last night, so i assume new pics |
| 21:51.47 | brlcad | doesn't look like they're up |
| 21:51.52 | Legolas_ | hmm |
| 21:51.59 | Legolas_ | k |
| 21:53.12 | AAA_awright | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.30 | AAA_awright | I last saw jude- (n=jude@c-68-84-206-92.hsd1.az.comcast.net) 15h 7m 57s ago, quiting: "Good night" |
| 21:54.13 | Epyon | Who said Perl is obfuscated! |
| 21:54.15 | Epyon | printf("Is samepoint with itself (%.2f,[F%.2f-%.2f],[MF%.2f-%2.f])\n",ipoint.x,mesh->v[f->vtx->at(i)].x,mesh->v[f->vtx->at(modnext(i,f->vtx->size()))].x,mesh->v[vtx->at(index)].x,mesh->v[modnext(index,vtx->size())].x); |
| 21:54.25 | tannerld | O.o |
| 21:54.32 | a_meteorite | Epyon: stop scaring the n00bs |
| 21:54.43 | spldart | :eek: |
| 22:08.41 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r15442 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Compliance with gcc-4.2 |
| 22:15.12 | tupone | brlcad, just a question: cvs2cl.pl works for an svn repository? |
| 22:21.22 | AAA_awright | *cough*git*cough* |
| 22:21.35 | AAA_awright | (Gotta love the double meanings) |
| 22:28.03 | TD-Linux | Epyon, ./inc/MultiFace.h: In member function ‘void MultiFace::refineFace(Face*)’: |
| 22:28.03 | TD-Linux | ./inc/MultiFace.h:38: warning: too many arguments for format |
| 22:28.03 | TD-Linux | ./inc/MultiFace.h:41: warning: too many arguments for format |
| 22:28.03 | TD-Linux | ./inc/MultiFace.h:44: warning: too many arguments for format |
| 22:38.31 | Epyon | How can I return a local string as string& ?? |
| 22:39.56 | L4m3r | why would you need to? |
| 22:40.50 | L4m3r | you could use dynamic allocation and return a pointer, but I don't see why... :P |
| 22:42.24 | Epyon | How can I return a string at all?? |
| 22:43.36 | Epyon | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.35 | Epyon | nvm |
| 22:59.05 | brlcad | tupone: I don't believe so |
| 22:59.16 | brlcad | at least not without a bit of modifications |
| 22:59.24 | brlcad | AAA_awright: really, give it a rest :) |
| 22:59.40 | AAA_awright | Hm? |
| 22:59.44 | brlcad | there's like really no chance we're changing to a distributed system *anytime* soon :) |
| 22:59.50 | tupone | I think DEVINFO should be modified heavely for cvs against svn |
| 23:00.19 | brlcad | what do you mean? |
| 23:00.24 | tupone | s/heavily/on some line/ |
| 23:00.34 | AAA_awright | It's inspired me since I watched Linux talk about it at Google (Youtube, actually). |
| 23:00.48 | AAA_awright | s/Linux/Linus/. |
| 23:01.06 | brlcad | tupone: yeah, I only see like two/three lines that weren't updated yet :) |
| 23:01.08 | tupone | tag, cvs2cl, cvs export |
| 23:02.02 | brlcad | AAA_awright: "big surprise".. a guy who writes a distributed vcs is saying centralized vcs is bad |
| 23:02.55 | brlcad | there's fundamental differences, and distributed works for him on the kernel for very specific reasons (that are by far NOT universal to all projects) |
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| 23:04.57 | AAA_awright | It works like a centralized system if you want it to, but if I wanted to fork the, say, list server (the thing needs to get upgraded soon), I could create the fork on my system, then the fork would be merged back into the central tree when everyone sees "omg, thats the best idea in the world" |
| 23:06.04 | brlcad | that's the thing, it doesn't "work like a centralized system if you want it to" other than by some community agreement, technically it is not |
| 23:06.12 | AAA_awright | And content tracking... it doesn't matter if it's distributed or not, that alone is a reason to make me want to use it. |
| 23:07.03 | brlcad | again, it works for you -- so does svn for plenty of situations |
| 23:07.50 | AAA_awright | Actually, I have not touched it yet. Just stared in awe. |
| 23:08.31 | AAA_awright | I might encourage tannerld to switch to it though.... |
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| 23:08.54 | brlcad | moving to a different system doesn't really solve any pressing problem -- we'd still be arguing about the same developer topics, still merge or not merge code into what would be an 'official' released version |
| 23:09.16 | brlcad | so long as we have a relatively small team, it's a 'major moot point' |
| 23:09.32 | AAA_awright | It would be easier on bzfx, we are currently having to maintain our own tree parallel with the official one |
| 23:09.39 | tupone | s/would/could/ |
| 23:09.49 | AAA_awright | No, would |
| 23:09.50 | Epyon | Is this proper? o.O vtx->insert(vtx->begin()+index+1,ipid); |
| 23:10.22 | tupone | mine was referred to brlcad not you |
| 23:11.08 | brlcad | AAA_awright: see I read statements like that and I'm thankful for the 'official one' that you've not integrated with -- why haven't you collaborated more closely, why don't you have commit access |
| 23:11.59 | brlcad | it often/usually boils down to folks playing in their own sandbox that just don't/can't/won't work with others .. and that's not a good thing |
| 23:12.25 | AAA_awright | I don't touch the C++ code, I command meteorite to do my programming. I only touch the PHP and overall design. |
| 23:12.33 | brlcad | so? |
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| 23:12.52 | brlcad | why maintain a parallel tree at all? |
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| 23:13.26 | brlcad | why not work "with" bzfx directly, make a branch if it technically needs to be separate, but otherwise the rest is people |
| 23:13.31 | AAA_awright | Special features, server-side screenshots, restore player scores, player tracking |
| 23:13.57 | AAA_awright | The sort of stuff you can't put in a plugin and would never get merged. |
| 23:14.05 | brlcad | those are features, there's nothing you've said there that indicates why you don't work "on" it |
| 23:14.19 | brlcad | why wouldn't it get merged? |
| 23:14.42 | a_meteorite | there's a few who would go "OMG NO COMMIT FOR METEOR!" :P |
| 23:14.43 | AAA_awright | Because I designed it. Or some silly reason. |
| 23:15.03 | a_meteorite | tis a feeling in my bones, deep down |
| 23:15.13 | brlcad | a fork is a fork, if that's your only solution then svn vs git vs whatever really doesn't matter -- you're just going to do your own thing anyways -- it just maybe makes it easier for you to not need to play along with others, getting their updates |
| 23:16.20 | AAA_awright | I was mostly joking, SVN seems to work fine for the core team. It would be cool though, if sf.net hosted git trees which non-developers could branch and merge. |
| 23:16.38 | AAA_awright | er, just branch, and the developers would merge. |
| 23:17.07 | brlcad | i know you were joking, but it's still a good discussion :) |
| 23:17.10 | Pumpernickel | You can use `git-svn` to work in git and send the changes to svn, can't you? |
| 23:17.29 | AAA_awright | Pumpernickel: Yes |
| 23:18.08 | brlcad | a_meteorite: and the question that comes up is 'why' would they care .. if there are personality or trust issues, then it still matters |
| 23:18.33 | brlcad | i trust most everyone that has commit access that they're going to work in a manner that is in line with the goals of the project, no matter how nubulous they may be |
| 23:19.19 | forrestv | tupone: thanks for applying the patch! |
| 23:19.21 | brlcad | trust should not be the motivator for going distributed imho |
| 23:19.45 | tupone | thanks to you that found the problem |
| 23:19.52 | brlcad | for linus, it works well because he has *thousands* of devs making changes -- centralized very quickly becomes a technical bottleneck |
| 23:20.00 | brlcad | and an integration nightmare |
| 23:20.32 | AAA_awright | Yah' |
| 23:22.59 | brlcad | case in point, I'd love to give that biggeruniverse guy access to work on the server -- he's certain seems to be a competent coder and could make lots of good improvements |
| 23:24.28 | brlcad | but he's got nearly zero trust/merit/karma, and seemingly doesn't really want to work with others (to the level that would be needed for the changes he proposes) and doesn't really have an invested interest |
| 23:25.25 | AAA_awright | The big point for me (not necessarily bzfx) is content-tracking and offline commits. Svn and cvs discourage multiple, small commits more then git. For bzfx, the distributed part is important, because we can work parallel with the official version-- and if the developers like any single change, they can merge it in just like a patch. |
| 23:26.07 | AAA_awright | I was initially joking, but I really like the sound of that now. |
| 23:26.11 | brlcad | being able to work together, to work with others, discuss issues and collaborate, is a majorly important part of the project -- seems obvious, but the lack of personal skills can really bite some people |
| 23:26.47 | AAA_awright | I don't think any svn discourages that though. |
| 23:27.00 | brlcad | you mean any scm? |
| 23:27.09 | AAA_awright | s/svn/scm/ |
| 23:27.40 | brlcad | no -- it doesn't discourage it -- but it sort of implicitly *requires* it |
| 23:27.57 | AAA_awright | Is that a problem? |
| 23:28.02 | brlcad | and I'm saying, that requirement is a good thing (for the community) |
| 23:28.10 | AAA_awright | Oh, right |
| 23:28.14 | brlcad | requiring that you work together, earn/gain trust |
| 23:28.20 | AAA_awright | Exactly |
| 23:28.34 | brlcad | git doesn't require it either way |
| 23:28.55 | brlcad | basically making it easier for the folks that can't/wont/don't get along, and being about the same for those that do |
| 23:29.54 | brlcad | discouraging NIBM or NIH are a very "goog" thing IMHO |
| 23:30.09 | brlcad | which svn does implicitly, and git doesn't |
| 23:30.11 | Osama_Bin_Laden | google owns whatever you just said :P |
| 23:30.20 | brlcad | heh, good |
| 23:32.55 | brlcad | ~nibm |
| 23:32.55 | ibot | [nibm] "Not Implemented By Me" - a syndrome often suffered by developers that tend to reinvent the wheel or fork development for no reason other than not being able, willing, or interested in working with others, or for being able to put their name on it. |
| 23:33.49 | Osama_Bin_Laden | ~nih |
| 23:33.50 | ibot | it has been said that nih is \"Not Invented Here\" - a syndrome often suffered by developers and companies who tend to reinvent the wheel for no reason other than being able to put their name on it. |
| 23:34.07 | brlcad | almost mean the same thing |
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| 23:56.44 | brlcad | CIA-23: wake up |