| 00:00.19 | Epyon | brlcad, it's you who said I do not commit often, here's what you did xP |
| 00:01.06 | brlcad | you make it sound like a bad thing when it's not :) |
| 00:01.55 | brlcad | ~sb goto -50 |
| 00:02.05 | brlcad | hm, that didn't work :) |
| 00:02.10 | Epyon | What's that o.O |
| 00:02.14 | brlcad | let's try a slash |
| 00:02.42 | Constitution | Epyon: extra semicolon on Operation.cxx:24? |
| 00:03.16 | KTL | i hope epyon got a screenshot :D |
| 00:03.29 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15127 10/trunk/bzwgen/Operation.cxx: GCC warning fix |
| 00:03.43 | Epyon | KTL, nothing newer then the ones on the blog yesterday. |
| 00:04.04 | Epyon | But once I finish the feature I'm working on the hell will get loose :D |
| 00:04.16 | Epyon | Winny, any textures? |
| 00:04.25 | Constitution | Epyon: also extra semicolon at Expression.cxx:26 & 30, and no newline at end of file |
| 00:04.36 | Winny | Epyon: no, been working on setting up the sound system in the basement all day |
| 00:05.16 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15128 10/trunk/bzwgen/Expression.cxx: GCC warning fixes |
| 00:05.53 | Epyon | Winny, number one priority would be a black skyscraper glass windows (like Empire States Tower or Sears Tower) |
| 00:06.17 | Winny | I may be able to get some actual sears tower windows |
| 00:06.23 | Epyon | :D |
| 00:06.35 | Constitution | Epyon: http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/662685 |
| 00:07.37 | Epyon | yyh, I mixed up, one moment |
| 00:09.08 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15129 10/trunk/bzwgen/lexer.l: GCC warning fixes |
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| 00:14.55 | Epyon | Constitution, ping? |
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| 00:16.09 | Constitution | pong |
| 00:16.19 | Epyon | Constitution, so, did it run? |
| 00:16.22 | Constitution | still working on it |
| 00:16.25 | Constitution | it compiled and ran |
| 00:16.34 | Constitution | but the maps still look the same |
| 00:16.39 | Epyon | Constitution, try testing it locally first |
| 00:17.00 | Constitution | alright |
| 00:17.25 | Epyon | I'm quite sure that the version running on fairserve didn't find any rules |
| 00:17.25 | Epyon | Also there's debug output now. |
| 00:17.35 | Epyon | It should list all the rules it reads. |
| 00:17.46 | Epyon | When loading the file. |
| 00:20.18 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15130 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (BuildZone.cxx BuildZone.h): BuildZone will be better of holding a MeshVector* than MeshVector. |
| 00:20.57 | Epyon | Is there any way I can add easily elements from one vector to another? (vectors of the same type) |
| 00:21.58 | L4m3r | foo1.push_back(foo2.at(i)) |
| 00:22.20 | Epyon | L4m3r, ALL of them :) |
| 00:22.31 | Epyon | Ok, ok, I guess I need a loop anyway. |
| 00:22.36 | L4m3r | yup |
| 00:24.53 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15131 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (RuleSet.cxx RuleSet.h): On the road of multi-mesh grammars! Added a system for holding multiple meshes in the ruleset, and managing them without confusion for the grammar. |
| 00:29.51 | Constitution | Epyon: I may have found the cause |
| 00:30.09 | Epyon | Constitution, yes? |
| 00:30.26 | Constitution | my script chdir's to the server directory before calling bzwgen by its absoulte path, so that the output file will land in the server dir |
| 00:30.39 | Constitution | perhaps that prevents bzwgen from finding something it needs? |
| 00:30.48 | Epyon | YES |
| 00:30.49 | DTRemenak | Epyon: foo1.insert(foo1.end(), foo2.begin(), foo2.end()) |
| 00:31.10 | KTL | .insert(begin iterator, end iterator) |
| 00:31.11 | Epyon | because it needs files from the rules folder. |
| 00:31.51 | Epyon | it searches for the rules folder in the folder it's ran |
| 00:32.00 | Epyon | Constitution, any idea for a fix? |
| 00:32.03 | Constitution | perhaps a conf option to specify the location of those files? ;-) |
| 00:32.10 | Epyon | *sigh* |
| 00:32.24 | Constitution | but there are many easy ways to fix it on my end |
| 00:32.25 | DTRemenak | KTL: requires three iterators to insert a range (first argument to insert is always "at where") |
| 00:32.31 | KTL | i just checked the stl |
| 00:32.35 | KTL | :) |
| 00:32.40 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15132 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (Operation.cxx Operation.h): Here's a one for comic fans, OperationSpawn - like OperationNonterminal but spawns a separate mesh. |
| 00:32.41 | Constitution | I'll just have it generate it from the source dir, then copy it or something |
| 00:33.11 | Epyon | Constitution, I can do you a command line param quick |
| 00:33.25 | Epyon | If that would be easier |
| 00:33.40 | Constitution | a little easier, but it's not a big deal |
| 00:33.48 | Constitution | you probably have more important things to worry about |
| 00:33.54 | Constitution | but your choice :-) |
| 00:34.17 | Epyon | after I finish multimeshes. |
| 00:34.27 | Epyon | DTRemenak, thanks :) |
| 00:34.33 | DTRemenak | np :) |
| 00:35.47 | DTRemenak | Epyon: and for future reference, if you ever DO have to append a whole bunch of items one at a time, be sure to resize first, otherwise you'll get bogged down in memory block moves |
| 00:36.22 | DTRemenak | vector stays contiguous, so if you exceed the allocated size it reallocs and moves |
| 00:36.38 | Epyon | DTRemenak, premature optimization is teh root of all 3vil :P |
| 00:37.01 | DTRemenak | efficient habits can make optimization unnecessary :) |
| 00:37.13 | Epyon | Also true :) |
| 00:37.51 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15133 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (lexer.l parser.y): Spawn command in the grammar. Not usable yet though - a change in the BuildZone is neccesary. |
| 00:41.36 | Constitution | Epyon: appears to work now |
| 00:41.47 | Epyon | :D |
| 00:43.48 | Constitution | hmm, I feel like spiderman flying through the city :-D |
| 00:43.55 | Epyon | :D |
| 00:44.01 | Epyon | You like it? |
| 00:44.19 | Constitution | yeah |
| 00:51.31 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15134 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Prepared data for the multi-mesh test. |
| 00:56.32 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15135 10/trunk/bzwgen/RuleSet.cxx: Added inside points for spawned meshes |
| 00:59.18 | Epyon | Okaaaaay... |
| 00:59.30 | Epyon | Now if this works I'm opening a beer... |
| 00:59.42 | daxxar | I bet you're opening that beer anyway ;) |
| 01:00.09 | Epyon | daxxar, only if I finish serious work :) |
| 01:00.20 | daxxar | ^_^ |
| 01:00.34 | daxxar | I'm currently too buzzed to do any dev work :/ |
| 01:00.53 | daxxar | Next feature is information on opponents, very important. |
| 01:00.58 | daxxar | Then it's actually usable. |
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| 01:34.25 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15136 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (Mesh.cxx Mesh.h): Overloaded weldVertices that takes two vertices, and calculates the new vertex out of the average of the ones given. |
| 01:35.19 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15137 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (5 files in 2 dirs): OperationUnchamfer... hell this one's messy :/ |
| 01:37.11 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15138 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (lexer.l parser.y): Unchamfer in the grammar. |
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| 01:40.20 | forrestv | the client only talks to the server, not other clients right? |
| 01:40.34 | blast007 | right |
| 01:41.14 | forrestv | wouldn't it be better for them to talk directly to eack other? |
| 01:41.21 | blast007 | no |
| 01:41.42 | forrestv | why? |
| 01:42.08 | blast007 | would you not experience more issues with firewalls and NAT if the had to talk directly? |
| 01:42.15 | *** join/#bzflag poolio (n=poolio@12.180.114.2) |
| 01:42.38 | Epyon | Not to mention security |
| 01:43.08 | blast007 | forrestv: why do you feel it would be better? |
| 01:48.01 | Epyon | IT WORKS xD |
| 01:48.08 | forrestv | it would be faster to not have to go through the server |
| 01:49.20 | blast007 | forrestv: hello mazer |
| 01:49.33 | blast007 | and no, it would not be faster |
| 01:49.38 | a_meteorite | ;) |
| 01:50.04 | forrestv | why? |
| 01:50.17 | blast007 | forrestv: why do you think it would be faster? |
| 01:50.32 | forrestv | why do both of you care if i'm mazer? |
| 01:50.51 | a_meteorite | we are full of hate |
| 01:50.51 | blast007 | because we've seen you playing |
| 01:50.52 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15139 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Multimesh operations working! Now it starts :D |
| 01:51.01 | forrestv | blast007: instead of going from client to server to client it would go client to client |
| 01:51.02 | forrestv | ? |
| 01:51.13 | forrestv | what have you seen? |
| 01:51.26 | a_meteorite | forrestv: you just want IPs of people to have "fun" |
| 01:51.36 | blast007 | forrestv: problem is, the client would have to send it's current game state to X number of clients, instead of just to one location (the server) |
| 01:51.47 | blast007 | most home connections have limited upstream, but high downstream |
| 01:51.48 | forrestv | the server already does that |
| 01:52.10 | a_meteorite | servers are meant to be hosted on good connections |
| 01:52.20 | a_meteorite | we shouldn't expect players to have good upstreams to play |
| 01:52.37 | blast007 | therefore, they have no trouble receiving 20 or 30 players worth of data, but they would have trouble sending their data to 20 or 30 other clients |
| 01:52.50 | forrestv | a_meteorite: what? |
| 01:52.55 | forrestv | i understand |
| 01:52.58 | a_meteorite | go read a networking manual |
| 01:53.21 | forrestv | no, the forrestv: you just want IPs of people to have "fun |
| 01:53.59 | blast007 | nothing |
| 01:54.18 | blast007 | he was talking about how that would expose a players IP |
| 01:54.26 | blast007 | since you'd have to directly connect to them |
| 01:54.39 | blast007 | so, another issue is that you'd have 20 or 30 connections |
| 01:55.07 | forrestv | what about using UDP? |
| 01:55.10 | blast007 | let's say 3 people are playing behind the same internet connection... pretty much going to drive a typical home router into the ground |
| 01:55.14 | blast007 | we use UDP and TCP |
| 01:55.18 | blast007 | TCP for critical data |
| 01:55.26 | blast007 | UDP for stuff like player updates |
| 01:55.57 | forrestv | maybe a TCP connection to server and updates passed around with UDP? |
| 01:56.24 | blast007 | I don't see any reason whatsoever to switch a peer-to-peer model |
| 01:56.38 | blast007 | what research have you done that proves this is better? |
| 01:56.47 | forrestv | um |
| 01:56.49 | blast007 | or that it's possible, or feasibile? |
| 01:58.14 | forrestv | it works for bittorrent... then again thats not exactly a realtime game... |
| 01:58.42 | blast007 | yeah, we're not sharing files, we're sending time critical data |
| 01:59.49 | Epyon | Who wants a screenie ^^ |
| 01:59.56 | blast007 | Epyon: me! |
| 01:59.57 | delusional | mememememememmeememe |
| 02:00.03 | daxxar | Oi! Me! |
| 02:00.07 | blast007 | I said it first!!! |
| 02:00.14 | blast007 | ;) |
| 02:00.19 | daxxar | Well, I participate in GSoC! |
| 02:00.46 | Epyon | Although the best changes will be if I het my hans on more txtures :? |
| 02:00.50 | blast007 | well, I uh... use google |
| 02:01.02 | Epyon | http://bzflag.chaosforge.org/screenshots/bzfi0012.png |
| 02:01.17 | Epyon | All the visible buildings are grammar generated |
| 02:01.29 | daxxar | Soo-oo, I guess you atleast opened *one* beer, Epyon? |
| 02:01.32 | blast007 | nice :D |
| 02:01.44 | Epyon | http://bzflag.chaosforge.org/screenshots/bzfi0014.png |
| 02:01.48 | a_meteorite | Epyon: looks like you've played metropolis one too many times |
| 02:01.50 | delusional | quite |
| 02:02.02 | Epyon | http://bzflag.chaosforge.org/screenshots/bzfi0015.png |
| 02:02.04 | a_meteorite | wow, nice |
| 02:02.15 | Epyon | a_meteorite, no I havnt :) |
| 02:02.24 | Epyon | But it will get better now a lot xP |
| 02:02.33 | Epyon | I'm gona get rid of those boxes xP |
| 02:02.36 | a_meteorite | alright, question everyone... |
| 02:02.47 | blast007 | a_meteorite: 42 |
| 02:02.47 | a_meteorite | if I run something in gdb, and it crashes, will it write the core dump? |
| 02:03.00 | a_meteorite | cause I may not be around at gdb's console |
| 02:03.11 | a_meteorite | I don't want to lose why it crashed if I lose my ssh connection |
| 02:03.30 | tannerld_mac | Epyon: grammar generated? |
| 02:03.31 | blast007 | run GDB in screen |
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| 02:04.46 | Epyon | tannerld_mac, http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/*checkout*/bzflag/trunk/bzwgen/rules/sidewalk.set?revision=15139&pathrev=15139 |
| 02:05.09 | Epyon | amd http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/*checkout*/bzflag/trunk/bzwgen/rules/test.set?revision=15139&pathrev=15139 |
| 02:05.30 | Epyon | That's the beauty :D |
| 02:05.33 | tannerld_mac | heh |
| 02:06.28 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r15140 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzrobots/ (botplaying.cxx bzrobots.cxx): style consistency |
| 02:08.19 | daxxar | You're .. EDITING MY CODE? |
| 02:08.20 | daxxar | ;-) |
| 02:08.52 | blast007 | zomg |
| 02:09.20 | tannerld_mac | heh |
| 02:10.33 | daxxar | Oh, that was mostly mcnabbs code. |
| 02:21.36 | Epyon | How do I initialize a dynamic array? |
| 02:21.36 | Epyon | Vertex nv[] = new Vertex[size]; <- what's wrong here? |
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| 02:27.51 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15141 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (Mesh.cxx Mesh.h): Implemented taperFace, fixed a little bug in expandFace |
| 02:29.10 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15142 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (Operation.h lexer.l parser.y): OperationTaper and it's grammar handling implemented. |
| 02:30.33 | Epyon | brlcad, DTRemenak? |
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| 02:41.23 | delusional | heeheee... some people talking about cross-platform development on ##apple..... I say "Allow me to plug my favorite game.. BZFlag" .... at least a half dozen downloads.. they all thought it was cool. |
| 02:42.15 | daxxar | \o/ |
| 02:42.24 | daxxar | Yeah, I hear that BZFlag-game is pretty cool |
| 02:46.59 | Epyon | blog updaterd ^_^ |
| 02:48.54 | Epyon | daxxar, let's have a beer :P |
| 02:48.56 | delusional | Urban Dictionary 'epyon' (1 of 1): A measurment of time that is consumed with pain and death. |
| 02:49.29 | delusional | what's that all about? |
| 02:49.30 | daxxar | Epyon: I've had enough brewskis for tonight, ;-) |
| 02:49.50 | Epyon | delusional actually "Epyon" is "the devil" in buddism :) |
| 02:50.11 | Epyon | But I learned that *after* taking upon this nick. |
| 02:50.20 | Epyon | Talk about an unexpected bonus :D |
| 02:50.22 | delusional | haha |
| 02:51.22 | delusional | there's an old "how'd you get your callsign" thread on the forum, almost everybody has made a post over the ages. |
| 02:52.09 | daxxar | Heh, mine is pretty random. |
| 02:52.34 | Epyon | delusional, what about yours? |
| 02:52.52 | delusional | I play using the name "optic delusion" |
| 02:53.29 | daxxar | I remember I had 'darkthorne' (after thorne in OMF2097), but that ended up being too long for the IRC server I first attended - so I went for 'darkone'. But darkone was too cheesy in the long run, I wanted something unique, and daxxar was just .. loosely based on darkone. (I guess the x-es made it cool back then. 'tis an old nick) |
| 02:54.19 | delusional | my father was an optician.... owned a few shops.. I was groomed to be his successor... by the time I got out of school, companies like sears and walmart had made doing business very hard |
| 02:54.35 | delusional | so i didnt go that path |
| 02:54.52 | delusional | the company went belly up |
| 02:55.07 | Epyon | I actually took Epyon from an old anime "Gundam Wing", one of the giant mechs there was called "Epyon" and it looked really cool, I googled the name and saw that it's quite unique, and that it probably means "Next" in greek... |
| 02:55.14 | daxxar | That's a shame, delusional :-/ |
| 02:55.31 | delusional | not really... I didnt want to be an office guy |
| 02:55.45 | daxxar | Gundam Wing has been pretty widespread, hasn't it, Epyon? |
| 02:55.46 | Epyon | It's a fresh nick, I took it especialy for IRC during GSoC, but since then grew *really* attached to it :D |
| 02:55.51 | daxxar | (never seen it, just references to it) |
| 02:56.20 | Epyon | daxxar, it's considered one of the best in the Gundam series. |
| 02:56.38 | Epyon | KTL, I know. And it's kinda fun "wallrunning" :D |
| 02:57.07 | Epyon | Kk, a second beer wont hurt anyone... |
| 02:58.11 | daxxar | ^_^ |
| 02:58.27 | KTL | Epyon, you know how to climb on pyramids? i always loved to jump from really high spiky pyramids to other spikes |
| 02:58.34 | delusional | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=4227&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 the post started in 2005, and finally died in may, definitely the longest lasting thread on the forum |
| 02:58.48 | delusional | somebody could bump it though, you never know |
| 02:59.59 | Epyon | Too bad it's not up to date, and has the roof bug :/ |
| 03:00.12 | Epyon | KTL, there will be antennas if you like that :P |
| 03:00.32 | Epyon | delusional, I don't want to risk being lynched :P |
| 03:00.45 | delusional | killer antennas? |
| 03:01.01 | KTL | i remember a killer antenna yes |
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| 03:01.19 | KTL | that thing was no fun |
| 03:02.23 | Epyon | I invite all to the fairserve test server :D |
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| 03:18.45 | KTL | ../../include/cURLManager.h:22:23: error: curl/curl.h: No such file or directory |
| 03:19.03 | blast007 | install curl? :P |
| 03:20.36 | KTL | i probably lost it during my last upgrade, the package wont install, dependency trouble |
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| 03:59.30 | Epyon | any idea why the tank moves slow by keyboard? |
| 04:03.25 | blast007 | the 'a' button toggles slow keyboard |
| 04:08.51 | Macrosoft | donny_baker: personal attack: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11336 |
| 04:10.50 | Macrosoft | ~forummods |
| 04:11.24 | ibot | forummods are L4m3r DTRemenak Learner Blast TimRiker Bryjen donny_baker |
| 04:11.45 | blast007 | Macrosoft: it won't show up for regular users now |
| 04:12.07 | a_meteorite | muahahaha |
| 04:14.39 | Epyon | To those who don't know, theirs quite a few people on bzwgen testing server now, so theres a possibility to go and kick some ass :P |
| 04:14.47 | Epyon | (at fairserve() |
| 04:15.41 | AAA_awright | Epyon: Competing with LouMan for the biggest map file size? |
| 04:17.25 | Epyon | AAA_awright, you havn't seen those from two weeks ago -- 12MB :P |
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| 04:18.47 | geekette | greetings |
| 04:19.00 | delusional | hello |
| 04:19.03 | geekette | something interesting taking place... any admins might be interested in this... |
| 04:19.08 | Epyon | yo |
| 04:19.20 | delusional | where? |
| 04:19.37 | geekette | i was on badgerking's server a little while ago... and noticed something strange.... looked like my shots got about 1/10th their normal length... |
| 04:19.47 | geekette | i thought someone had reset a server variable or something... |
| 04:19.48 | Macrosoft | yeah, we know |
| 04:19.52 | geekette | ok.... |
| 04:20.05 | Macrosoft | ? |
| 04:20.15 | delusional | 200.104.149.185Â endshot cheat ... I dont have a callsign |
| 04:21.01 | *** join/#bzflag LadyFantasy (n=odd@64.81.54.150) |
| 04:21.28 | delusional | it's Pam Andersen |
| 04:21.28 | geekette | oops, i think i broke something there |
| 04:21.29 | geekette | got disconnected |
| 04:21.36 | geekette | oh.. someone else has this nick... my mistake |
| 04:21.47 | Macrosoft | delusional: huh? |
| 04:21.55 | LadyFantasy | Macrosoft: may i pm? |
| 04:22.03 | Macrosoft | who? |
| 04:22.05 | LadyFantasy | you |
| 04:22.23 | Macrosoft | i dont remember how to turn off the block |
| 04:22.29 | LadyFantasy | oh... no worries then |
| 04:22.47 | LadyFantasy | i'm curious - you said you knew about what was going on at badgerking's? |
| 04:23.27 | delusional | we know about that endshot cheat, the first sighting was 3 weeks ago |
| 04:23.32 | LadyFantasy | i had posted an explanation on the bzflag forums and noticed that my post was deleted. |
| 04:23.37 | LadyFantasy | what is the "endshot" cheat? |
| 04:23.53 | blast007 | wasn't deleted, just moved to another spot |
| 04:23.55 | Macrosoft | the thing you were talking about, the shortened shopts |
| 04:24.00 | LadyFantasy | ohhh ok, thanks blast007 |
| 04:24.03 | delusional | makes your shots end about 1 inch after fired |
| 04:24.06 | blast007 | (hidden spot) |
| 04:24.18 | LadyFantasy | ok... i'm curious how i did it, though... my client was compiled locally from source off bzflag.org |
| 04:24.29 | LadyFantasy | and is not modified in any way |
| 04:24.32 | blast007 | the endshot cheat can be any number of things, but it involves ending shots prematurely |
| 04:24.36 | Macrosoft | it wasnt you then |
| 04:24.43 | LadyFantasy | i know... |
| 04:24.55 | LadyFantasy | but apparently several folks thought it was |
| 04:25.05 | LadyFantasy | ah well, just making sure someone knew about it... |
| 04:25.08 | LadyFantasy | thanks |
| 04:25.13 | delusional | it's cool |
| 04:25.36 | Macrosoft | cheaters can make the shots end wherever, so it looks like s....nvm, she left |
| 04:26.13 | Epyon | fairserve.bzflag.org :D |
| 04:26.31 | Macrosoft | Epyon: a party? |
| 04:26.44 | Epyon | Yep :P |
| 04:26.55 | Epyon | Playing on bzwgen generated map :P |
| 04:27.09 | Macrosoft | wait, i forgot i cant play |
| 04:31.29 | AAA_awright | Yes, I did see a map from two weeks ago. |
| 04:31.57 | Epyon | AAA_awright ? |
| 04:32.34 | AAA_awright | I saw one that was about twice as large. It didn't have the nice range of buildings that the current version does |
| 04:37.41 | Epyon | AAA_awright, so how do you like the improvements? |
| 04:38.09 | AAA_awright | Very nice. Jumping is something that needs to be accounted for though. |
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| 04:38.30 | Epyon | AAA_awright, you mean reachability or the ledges? |
| 04:38.43 | AAA_awright | Reachability |
| 04:39.26 | Epyon | door->roof teleps would solve that :D |
| 04:39.29 | AAA_awright | I turned my radar to dynamic to get the nice green=you can jump and reach it, red=below you, grey=at your level, purple=too far up |
| 05:05.02 | Epyon | Aaaah, a really nice one got generated now. Too bad there's no one to see it :/ |
| 05:09.47 | a_meteorite | alright, my bzfs crashed |
| 05:09.52 | a_meteorite | here's what it says in gdb... |
| 05:09.59 | a_meteorite | 0xb7a62a63 in strlen () from /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 05:10.06 | a_meteorite | that's it. seg fault. |
| 05:13.05 | a_meteorite | here's the backtrace (very small..): http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/662970 |
| 05:13.34 | Epyon | http://bzflag.chaosforge.org/screenshots/bzfi0026.png <- isn't it beautiful? :D |
| 05:13.53 | L4m3r | ~Epyon++ |
| 05:13.57 | a_meteorite | oh, forgot to add this, this has been consistent: crashes when it lagkicks someone (updated pastebin): http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/662971 |
| 05:14.39 | Epyon | Okay, I'm finishing off my beer and going to sleep. Tommorow SHAPES await me :D |
| 05:15.08 | AAA_awright | Now we get to say lag really does kill bzflag servers. |
| 05:15.19 | AAA_awright | Epyon: Liooks great |
| 05:15.25 | a_meteorite | crap, it didn't save the coredump! |
| 05:15.35 | a_meteorite | I just exited gdb, I hope that's all the info a dev would need |
| 05:15.58 | Epyon | AAA_awright, this is the map currently running on the test server if you want to see it :) |
| 05:16.10 | AAA_awright | I saw one with a huge area of grass |
| 05:16.35 | AAA_awright | Non-rectangular buildings Never look even remotely the same, that will be tricky. |
| 05:16.35 | Epyon | I like the manhattan grouping - makes me think of an algo that placxes high buildings in groups in the center |
| 05:16.49 | AAA_awright | Yah |
| 05:16.50 | Epyon | AAA_awright, don't worry, I can handle it :P |
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| 05:18.18 | a_meteorite | note it has crashed before without any plugins installed (like logDetail), I haven't checked the two core dumps to see if they're identical, but they always happen after lagkicks ... |
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| 05:31.45 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r15143 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx: that ain't right... dunno if bz_filterPath works now, but it sure didn't before. |
| 05:34.38 | a_meteorite | DTRemenak: can you fix up the warnings in bzfsAPI.cxx ? |
| 05:34.46 | a_meteorite | DTRemenak: http://pastebin.ca/662789 |
| 05:35.09 | a_meteorite | otherwise it complains of shadowed variables, and won't compile if you like strict :) |
| 05:35.57 | DTRemenak | looks already fixed |
| 05:36.06 | a_meteorite | ah, I guess blast got to it |
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| 05:37.04 | blast007 | a_meteorite: no, I didn't |
| 05:37.17 | blast007 | DTRemenak: you looking at trunk or v2_0branch? |
| 05:37.21 | DTRemenak | trunk |
| 05:37.26 | blast007 | k |
| 05:37.39 | a_meteorite | ah, that's why. |
| 05:37.53 | a_meteorite | it's in v2_0branch |
| 05:38.47 | a_meteorite | re: segfault ^, looks like logDetail is getting around to listing the players after the player is kicked cause of lagkick |
| 05:38.56 | a_meteorite | so, it's crashing somewhere after that ^_^ |
| 05:39.15 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r15144 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/ActionBinding.cxx: (log message trimmed) |
| 05:39.15 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: clean up the default bindings list. include comments and placeholders for the |
| 05:39.15 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: few bindings that remain unused as well as those that are hard-coded into the |
| 05:39.15 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: playing loop. sort and group the bindings so that it's a lot easier to tell |
| 05:39.15 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: what's what. and.. most importantly.. change the blasted 'slow motion' key off |
| 05:39.18 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: of 'a' onto something not so close to the default jump key -- 'v' seems to be a |
| 05:39.20 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: good choice, particularly for being next to the 'b'inoculars key that has a |
| 05:39.35 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 05:39.46 | DTRemenak | ~brlcad++ |
| 05:40.12 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r15145 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.h: cleanup columns. was going to do somthing more interesting here, but dun't need to anymore |
| 05:41.59 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03bryjen * r15146 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx: unshadowed variable |
| 05:42.11 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r15147 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: |
| 05:42.11 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: warn the poor souls that hit the slow motion key just in case it was by accident |
| 05:42.11 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: so that they don't end up thinking their computer is broken or the client is |
| 05:42.11 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: buggy (at least any more so than usual). clean up some of the grammar on the |
| 05:42.11 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: other warnings too |
| 05:42.32 | Epyon | brlcad is on a commit spree! |
| 05:43.34 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r15148 10/trunk/bzflag/NEWS: changed default slow motion key binding from 'a' to 'v' |
| 05:43.49 | ruskie | lol |
| 05:44.05 | ruskie | that's one of the personal message keys in my case :) |
| 05:45.30 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r15149 10/trunk/bzflag/NEWS: clean up various keypress warnings, add slow motion warning |
| 05:49.11 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r15150 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/ (5 files): change the (mis-)named 'slowKeyboard' variable to 'slowMotion' since it doesn't really matter what you input mechanism is. i think this should also make the new binding take effect even on existing config files |
| 05:51.24 | DTRemenak | brlcad: we have a config upgrade mechanism. should probably see if slowKeyboard was not default, and if so, keep slowMotion as whatever slowKeyboard was, otherwise change it. |
| 05:52.25 | brlcad | what do you mean if it was not deafult? |
| 05:52.31 | brlcad | it was bound by default |
| 05:52.46 | brlcad | bind 'A' "toggle slowKeyboard" |
| 05:52.53 | AAA_awright | if(slowKeyboard=='a') slowMotion='v'; |
| 05:53.18 | AAA_awright | else slowMotion=slowKeyboard; |
| 05:53.22 | AAA_awright | I guess so. |
| 05:53.23 | DTRemenak | right |
| 05:53.41 | DTRemenak | if it was default, change it to new default, otherwise copy the setting |
| 05:53.55 | brlcad | two things changed though |
| 05:54.01 | brlcad | the var and the key |
| 05:54.25 | DTRemenak | I know |
| 05:54.32 | brlcad | otherwise, point me to a file of what you mean :) |
| 05:54.38 | DTRemenak | you could be introducing a double binding though |
| 05:54.49 | DTRemenak | if someone had customized their own layout, and mapped something else to v |
| 05:55.22 | DTRemenak | not saying it shouldn't be changed, just that old settings should be copied where possible |
| 05:55.36 | brlcad | it should still run both actions -- more concerned that it's going to leave the 'a' binding too |
| 05:56.10 | DTRemenak | yup, thus my suggestion to update it if it was 'a' |
| 05:56.18 | brlcad | update what? |
| 05:56.31 | Epyon | Okay, I finished my beer and I'm off to bed. It's 8 in the morning here xP, and tomorrow's a day full of ... shapes xP.. G'night all :D |
| 05:56.35 | brlcad | there is no longer an 'a' binding, it's an available slow |
| 05:56.44 | brlcad | cya Epyon :) |
| 05:56.49 | brlcad | nice progress, btw |
| 05:56.57 | brlcad | way to pull in to the final stretch |
| 05:57.01 | Epyon | brlcad, there's more where it came from :P |
| 05:57.05 | brlcad | excellent |
| 05:57.14 | blast007 | brlcad: from, for instance, the 2.0.x configuration, which MAY have it set to 'a' |
| 05:57.21 | Epyon | brlcad, and the language is almost finished :D |
| 05:58.44 | Epyon | brlcad, a scatter map is in the TODO list, as are bases :P |
| 05:58.52 | brlcad | :) |
| 05:59.26 | brlcad | blast007: I get that much.. I just don't get what he was suggesting I update.. too many 'it's |
| 05:59.27 | Epyon | Although bases will make it before 20th, scatter map will probably be a little beyond the schedule |
| 06:00.33 | DTRemenak | brlcad: if the old config had slowKeyboard != 'a', set the new config's slowMotion to whatever the old config's slowKeyboard was set with. that clearer? |
| 06:00.48 | DTRemenak | so we update those who were default, but not those who customized their layouts |
| 06:01.09 | DTRemenak | err slowKeyboard |
| 06:01.30 | brlcad | right now it wont' even update those who were default from how I understand it .. |
| 06:01.46 | DTRemenak | it removes the old binding, and inserts the new one. correct? |
| 06:01.58 | brlcad | how/where? |
| 06:02.20 | brlcad | i'm missing something, i've not seen the code that does any updating |
| 06:02.45 | DTRemenak | default config used to say bind 'A' "toggle slowKeyboard". now says bind 'V' "toggle slowMotion". correct? |
| 06:02.45 | brlcad | didn't see anything like that in actionbinding at least |
| 06:03.03 | brlcad | actionbinding now says that is a default binding, yes |
| 06:03.53 | DTRemenak | so, when we load the config file, we should check the bindings. if some key other than A is set to "toggle slowKeyboard", we should set that key to "toggle slowMotion". |
| 06:04.57 | DTRemenak | actually when we upgrade the config file...that's why they're versioned |
| 06:05.28 | brlcad | does this happen somewhere now? |
| 06:05.53 | DTRemenak | all we've had reason to do thus far are bzdb vars, but yes, we do modify settings on upgrade |
| 06:06.14 | brlcad | so.. where does this happen |
| 06:06.21 | DTRemenak | clientConfig.cxx |
| 06:06.35 | DTRemenak | updateConfigFile() |
| 06:07.20 | L4m3r | What was the configure switch to disable compilation of bzfs :\ |
| 06:07.22 | brlcad | Okay! .. that's the money shot I was looking for, :) |
| 06:07.34 | DTRemenak | actually that routine is completely wrong at the moment |
| 06:07.39 | brlcad | not that I believe it'll work right |
| 06:07.40 | DTRemenak | someone pulled the old versions out of it |
| 06:08.07 | brlcad | last time we upgraded, I don't know of anyone it actually worked for .. had to keep telling everyone to delete their config |
| 06:08.29 | brlcad | course, then I only heard the problem cases, so maybe it worked for some |
| 06:08.43 | DTRemenak | what problems did they have? |
| 06:09.09 | brlcad | various keys wouldn't work .. couldn't drive, or tank drove in reverse, or couldn't screenshot .. it was a real variety of problems |
| 06:09.27 | brlcad | seemed to depend on platform too for some reason |
| 06:12.41 | DTRemenak | v2_0branch has some examples of rebinding keys, for reference |
| 06:13.39 | brlcad | looks like jeffy blew away the 1.10 |
| 06:13.44 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 06:13.55 | brlcad | should put that candle back.. |
| 06:13.59 | DTRemenak | dunno why we had to switch to a new numbering system though :S |
| 06:14.49 | brlcad | should just treat them like linear patch sets |
| 06:14.57 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 06:15.22 | brlcad | have the config file stash it's id, apply all patches since that id |
| 06:15.29 | DTRemenak | even if you decide to drop the old code, you can just pull the old numbers and directories. no need to restart numbering at 0, that's asking for confusion |
| 06:15.32 | brlcad | bah, stupid apos |
| 06:23.16 | brlcad | hm, I think I see why he pulled them out for pre 2.1 |
| 06:23.38 | brlcad | since configs are per major-version now, they're config is not going to convert as it'll never be loaded |
| 06:23.49 | brlcad | er, per major/minor |
| 06:23.58 | DTRemenak | they're copied from the old one |
| 06:24.17 | brlcad | does that happen somewhere else or did I miss it? |
| 06:24.24 | DTRemenak | findConfigFile |
| 06:24.37 | DTRemenak | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:24.42 | brlcad | ah, found it |
| 06:24.48 | brlcad | getOldConfigFileName |
| 06:25.31 | brlcad | okay, cool .. so just need to make that patch list and fix up that function |
| 06:25.43 | DTRemenak | hm, looks like it might be wrong on non-windows anyway |
| 06:25.53 | DTRemenak | doesn't use the 2.0 directory |
| 06:25.54 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r15151 10/trunk/bzflag/TODO: |
| 06:25.54 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: more todo prior to release, make sure client configs are actually upgraded |
| 06:25.54 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: properly. implement changes to the config as a patchlist (which will need to be |
| 06:25.54 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: generated based on changes that have been made to ActionBindings.cxx and |
| 06:25.54 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: defaultBZDB.cxx since 1.10) |
| 06:26.28 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r15152 10/trunk/bzflag/TODO: server list menu works now |
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| 06:28.42 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r15153 10/trunk/bzflag/TODO: methinks jeff's changes broke something because the client now crashes on exit sometimes during font destruction |
| 06:29.01 | DTRemenak | indeed it does |
| 06:29.11 | DTRemenak | somewhat irritating |
| 06:30.34 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r15154 10/trunk/bzflag/TODO: remove the vague 'make sure' item.. testing is expected, and anything found can be added to the list |
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| 07:34.15 | jude- | hello all |
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| 08:15.58 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r15155 10/trunk/bzflag/ (include/ServerItem.h src/game/ServerItem.cxx): |
| 08:15.58 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: add the ability to set an item's age (useful for updating data from one item to |
| 08:15.58 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: another). also make the operator external so that we can use it with std::sort |
| 08:15.58 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: more readily. clean up the comparison so that cached or non-cached, the list |
| 08:15.58 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: should consistently sort (in order or precedence) by players, by age, then by |
| 08:16.01 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: name followed by cached if they are mixed results. |
| 08:29.07 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r15156 10/trunk/bzflag/ (include/ServerList.h src/game/ServerList.cxx): |
| 08:29.08 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: add a sort routine so we can sort the server list on-demand as items are added |
| 08:29.08 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: and shuffled around. something is really screwy with the server list still, |
| 08:29.08 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: particularly when using pings or even when jumping around with the arrows as |
| 08:29.08 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: info displayed will be for the wrong server. we set the age when 'updating' an |
| 08:29.10 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: existing entry, but that doesn't seem to help either. needs some more serious |
| 08:29.12 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: debugging/attention/love still methinks |
| 08:30.48 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r15157 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/ServerMenu.cxx: try to keep the server list sorted. doesn't do much good, with the other problem(s), but it 'should' by fine. |
| 08:33.52 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r15158 10/trunk/bzflag/TODO: server list is still mildly jacked while navigating. requesting pings seems to exacerbate the problem, and having the list change after the result comes back in is pretty annoying. |
| 08:53.58 | Pimpi_ | hey |
| 08:54.42 | delusional_ | horses |
| 08:55.04 | Pimpi_ | anyone from sweden? |
| 09:01.04 | Pimpi_ | [dmp]: however not living there, no? |
| 09:02.01 | [dmp] | Pimpi_: nope |
| 09:02.17 | [dmp] | Pimpi_: you need someone with a swedish internet connection? |
| 09:05.47 | Pimpi_ | no, in fact the sister of a friend went to study in sweden for half a year, ant thought she could fine a room there quickly... |
| 09:06.27 | Pimpi_ | now she?s homeless and needs a room at least for a few days near Malmö or Lund... |
| 09:14.59 | [dmp] | :( - If i see anything that might help - I'll tell |
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| 13:59.43 | edini | does secretplace still exist? |
| 14:00.38 | A_Heart_Attack | dont think so |
| 14:05.59 | gsnedders | it hasn't for a while, IIRC |
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| 17:48.53 | brlcad | aha.. so that's why our enlistment fails |
| 17:50.09 | brlcad | someone working on pybzflag committed an .svn folder to the cvs repo, which got imported into svn .. and which is now an invalid svn folder, so it chokes |
| 17:50.50 | JeffM | yeah it was in the navi SVN origonaly |
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| 18:02.01 | Epyon | BTW, I know it's quite late to ask such a question, but is there a way to freely fly around the map and look at ity? :P |
| 18:02.21 | Epyon | (I've seen some "roaming" screenshots...) |
| 18:02.36 | brlcad | join as observer |
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| 18:09.22 | delusional_ | epyon, join as observer... use F8 until it says ROAMING at the top, drive with arrow keys, then hold shift and control keys and continue to drive |
| 18:10.28 | delusional_ | if you join an empty server, it will go straight to roaming |
| 18:11.46 | delusional_ | your maps will look good if you go high, then look straight down |
| 18:18.19 | afiestas | is posible leave the mouse outside window ? |
| 18:18.49 | delusional_ | there is an option |
| 18:18.49 | brlcad | there's a confine mouse setting in the input menu |
| 18:19.47 | afiestas | thxs :33 |
| 18:20.13 | afiestas | wo confine mouse :D |
| 18:20.24 | afiestas | now i can chat when i'm killing tanks :33 |
| 18:20.47 | blast007 | the client will likely minimize if you use anything outside though |
| 18:21.15 | blast007 | at least it does on Windows |
| 18:21.19 | JeffM | if your on windows you can turn that off |
| 18:21.28 | JeffM | set Win32NoMin 1 in your config |
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| 18:21.51 | afiestas | Win32? i use linux |
| 18:22.13 | brlcad | tis an odd default to auto-minimize |
| 18:22.21 | JeffM | most games do |
| 18:22.26 | JeffM | since they grab and hold input |
| 18:22.33 | JeffM | and gank max CPU :) |
| 18:23.00 | brlcad | when full-screen, i'd not seen that much windowed myself |
| 18:23.27 | JeffM | yeah, probably should only do that if it's full :) |
| 18:27.55 | tannerld | is it possible to add a array of commands in a plugin to /? ? |
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| 18:38.35 | JeffMFishBone | tannerld, what do you mean? |
| 18:38.54 | JeffMFishBone | pass in more then one command to a custom slash command? |
| 18:39.03 | JeffMFishBone | like /foo bar1 bar2 bar3 ? |
| 18:39.05 | tannerld | no |
| 18:39.31 | tannerld | like some plugins have commands, but unless you read the docs you never know what they are - so they could have them in a array (or something) and be dynamically added to /? |
| 18:39.53 | JeffMFishBone | oh, provide help text |
| 18:39.58 | JeffMFishBone | yeah I did something with them |
| 18:40.00 | JeffMFishBone | one sec |
| 18:40.03 | JeffMFishBone | let me look that up |
| 18:41.24 | JeffMFishBone | yeah when you install the custom / command ( that's how plugins intall commands ) you can provide a help method that returns the help text for that command |
| 18:41.30 | JeffMFishBone | at least in 2.1 |
| 18:41.33 | JeffMFishBone | let me check 2.0 |
| 18:44.44 | JeffMFishBone | man svn is slow here :( |
| 18:45.18 | tannerld | heh |
| 18:45.41 | JeffMFishBone | looks like it was only done for 2.1 |
| 18:46.09 | JeffMFishBone | you'd provide your own |
| 18:46.10 | tannerld | to get the help method does one need to know the command? |
| 18:46.12 | JeffMFishBone | virtual const char* help ( bz_ApiString /* command */ ){return NULL;} |
| 18:46.21 | JeffMFishBone | and return real text, not null |
| 18:46.30 | JeffMFishBone | then the help system "/?" will use that for the text |
| 18:47.05 | JeffMFishBone | one has to have implemented the command |
| 18:47.20 | JeffMFishBone | it's part of the bz_CustomSlashCommandHandler that was installed to do it |
| 18:47.49 | JeffMFishBone | it'll pass you the command name, in case you used the same slash handler for more then one command |
| 18:48.01 | JeffMFishBone | but you can't install help text for other plugins |
| 18:48.06 | tannerld | ah |
| 18:48.07 | tannerld | neat |
| 18:48.17 | Epyon | JeffMFishBone, I need a little help with commandArgs an MSVC |
| 18:48.31 | JeffMFishBone | what about it? |
| 18:48.58 | Epyon | How can I tell MVEE to pass a param when executing? |
| 18:49.14 | JeffMFishBone | Epyon, oh |
| 18:49.17 | Epyon | And how do I check the params from commandArgs -- with or without "-"? |
| 18:49.18 | JeffMFishBone | add them to the command line |
| 18:49.30 | JeffMFishBone | I think it uses a - |
| 18:49.44 | Epyon | JeffMFishBone, what command line? |
| 18:50.04 | Epyon | JeffMFishBone, where? |
| 18:50.04 | JeffMFishBone | right click on the project |
| 18:50.12 | JeffMFishBone | hit properties |
| 18:50.14 | JeffMFishBone | go to debuging |
| 18:50.33 | Epyon | Aaah I se :D |
| 18:50.35 | JeffMFishBone | then add the commands on the "Command Arguments" section |
| 18:50.39 | Epyon | thx |
| 18:50.56 | JeffMFishBone | yeah it splits up the exe, the args, and the dir |
| 18:51.16 | JeffMWalkingAPID | damn |
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| 19:00.44 | brlcad | hm, so I can fix the repo |
| 19:01.20 | brlcad | but to do it, I have to upload a new svnroot and put in a support ticket |
| 19:01.55 | JeffM | ouch |
| 19:02.02 | JeffM | you can't pull the bad dir? |
| 19:02.04 | brlcad | which means any commits from the time of the upload to when the support ticket is processed will be lost |
| 19:02.31 | JeffM | can't pull the dir, have them blow out just that subdir then just reupload the pybzflag |
| 19:02.32 | JeffM | ? |
| 19:02.44 | brlcad | sort of -- there's a way to fix the files, but you have to process the root files directly, svnadmin only works on local root |
| 19:03.03 | brlcad | it was "fixed" many many revisions ago -- it's in the history |
| 19:03.18 | brlcad | so you have to change the history |
| 19:03.50 | JeffM | how long would it take? |
| 19:04.20 | brlcad | however long it takes sf to process the support request |
| 19:04.27 | brlcad | usually "less than two days" |
| 19:04.32 | brlcad | which could be 10 minutes |
| 19:04.33 | brlcad | or two days |
| 19:04.34 | JeffM | that would suck |
| 19:04.58 | JeffM | tho I thought one of the good things about svn was that dirs were kinda indpendent |
| 19:05.15 | JeffM | that they coudl just yank that dir in the file system and have it be "gone" from svn |
| 19:05.28 | brlcad | they are, the problem is that these dirs are named the same as svn's own internal management |
| 19:05.41 | JeffM | I mean have them pull the entire pybzflag |
| 19:05.48 | brlcad | like trying to define a variable called 'while' in C++ |
| 19:05.55 | JeffM | then just readd it from cvs |
| 19:05.58 | JeffM | it hasn't changed |
| 19:06.08 | JeffM | or heck, if we loose history on it, no big whup |
| 19:06.09 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15159 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (bzwgen.cxx globals.h): Added command line option support (currently only -d for debug level, and --rulesdir for rules directory) |
| 19:06.29 | brlcad | yeah, I'm not so worried about loosing the history, it's practically dead |
| 19:06.38 | brlcad | it's more whether it can even be done |
| 19:06.42 | Epyon | What is pybzflag anyway? |
| 19:06.55 | JeffM | python bzflag |
| 19:07.06 | Epyon | You mean a python client? o.O |
| 19:07.11 | JeffM | and server |
| 19:07.16 | JeffM | and map veiwer, etc.. |
| 19:07.16 | *** join/#bzflag tupone (n=atupone@pdpc/supporter/active/Tupone) |
| 19:07.16 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v tupone] by ChanServ |
| 19:07.21 | brlcad | maybe I can just give sf.net folks a script to run that deletes those revisions entirely |
| 19:07.31 | Epyon | OMG, who would think of something that useless o.O |
| 19:07.34 | brlcad | then it won't matter when it runs |
| 19:07.44 | JeffM | Epyon, it's actualy better designed then BZ |
| 19:07.46 | JeffM | and looked better |
| 19:07.49 | Epyon | I mean why remake it in py at all? o.O |
| 19:07.56 | JeffM | easy to mod |
| 19:08.06 | JeffM | the game logic isn't that complex |
| 19:08.15 | JeffM | it used C++ for the engine and drawing |
| 19:08.20 | JeffM | gotta go |
| 19:08.24 | JeffM | have fun |
| 19:27.21 | bryjen | there's no cap on the Z velocity with the additive wings behavior, is there? |
| 19:29.47 | L4m3r | hm... additive wings. With a low jump velocity, that's a great solution to the wings-whoring problem. |
| 19:32.04 | bryjen | if the jump count is set high enough, holding down tab gets you going up fast, and it can take a while for the gravity to counteract it after you've released the key |
| 19:35.10 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15160 10/trunk/bzwgen/Generator.cxx: Added world info in Generator output, and --size (-s) commandline parameter. |
| 19:35.29 | Epyon | How can I get additive wings? |
| 19:35.31 | Epyon | :/ |
| 19:35.35 | Epyon | Never seen those |
| 19:35.54 | Pimpi_ | additive? |
| 19:36.06 | bryjen | its a recent commit to v2.1 |
| 19:36.31 | blast007 | Epyon: the WG flag in 2.1 now adds the wings jump velocity to the vertical velocity instead of just setting the tanks vertical velocity to _wingsJumpVelocity |
| 19:36.38 | L4m3r | gravity uses acceleration, so yeah, it can take a while |
| 19:36.43 | blast007 | (or whatever the var is) |
| 19:36.51 | L4m3r | just like for a fast bounce pad |
| 19:37.17 | blast007 | so if you have 30 jumps, can you shoot up in the air really fast? :/ |
| 19:39.06 | L4m3r | yeah, but you'd have to build up your velocity first |
| 19:39.16 | L4m3r | ideally it'd be much lower than the standard jump velocity |
| 19:39.42 | L4m3r | so a tank on the ground could nail you easily if you used the divebomb tactic |
| 19:39.47 | blast007 | wow, that really needs to be capped |
| 19:39.57 | blast007 | I just got kicked for going too high |
| 19:40.06 | blast007 | and I think I broke the sound barriar |
| 19:40.18 | blast007 | barrier* |
| 19:41.28 | blast007 | I was on the ground, with 30 wings flaps, held down jump, and I was at about 1400 units in a matter of 3 seconds |
| 19:42.35 | L4m3r | yeah, then the default jumpvelocity needs to be lowered :P |
| 19:42.36 | tannerld | heh |
| 19:43.16 | L4m3r | and/or there needs to be a BZDB var that sets a minimum delay between flaps |
| 19:43.35 | L4m3r | that actually would have also helped the wings problem, without additive velocity ;) |
| 19:43.35 | blast007 | L4m3r: no, that's not the problem |
| 19:43.53 | blast007 | just limit them to at most _wingsJumpVelocity |
| 19:43.58 | blast007 | most to* |
| 19:44.10 | L4m3r | no, use something separate |
| 19:44.27 | L4m3r | 'cuz that'd suck with a low jump velocity |
| 19:44.43 | blast007 | why? how would it be any different than it is now? |
| 19:44.54 | blast007 | they currently can't go up at more than _wingsJumpVelocity |
| 19:44.57 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15161 10/trunk/bzwgen/rules/test.set: Expand changed to Taper in case of skyscrapers -- Expand messed up small maps |
| 19:45.01 | bryjen | or make it so it's only additive when you're falling, like the comment says |
| 19:45.26 | blast007 | it should just cap at _wingsJumpVelocity |
| 19:45.45 | Epyon | lool |
| 19:45.50 | L4m3r | no, that kills half the usefulness |
| 19:45.59 | blast007 | L4m3r: eh? |
| 19:46.02 | blast007 | explain |
| 19:46.17 | L4m3r | ideally, if you use an additive velocity, you can lower the jump velocity and hinder vertical acceleration |
| 19:46.33 | Epyon | http://bzflag.chaosforge.org/screenshots/bzfi0021.png <- SimCity :D |
| 19:46.50 | L4m3r | so instead of taking off from a dead standstill off the ground, way out of reach of any non-winged tank, they have to build up vertical speed over the course of a second or two |
| 19:47.05 | blast007 | k |
| 19:47.09 | L4m3r | it makes things fairer, basically |
| 19:47.11 | tannerld | Epyon: pretty - needs more random textures for the skyscrapers :P |
| 19:47.27 | AAA_awright | It needs a reflectiveness |
| 19:47.32 | L4m3r | only applying it to downward velocity just means they have to slap the ground before taking back off |
| 19:47.53 | Epyon | AAA_awright, submit a RFE to BZFlag :D |
| 19:48.02 | AAA_awright | Uh |
| 19:48.11 | Epyon | L4m3r, blast007, we need reflection :D |
| 19:48.19 | AAA_awright | I thought we did? |
| 19:48.25 | blast007 | Epyon: hah, that does look like SimCity |
| 19:48.26 | L4m3r | Epyon: I think he meant shininess |
| 19:48.52 | AAA_awright | shiny/reflective, yah, shininess |
| 19:48.55 | L4m3r | we don't have actual reflection, but you can make a sort of gloss glare on mesh faces... not that I have the first clue how |
| 19:49.27 | blast007 | in the material object: |
| 19:49.28 | blast007 | shininess 0.0 # shininess (0.0 - 128.0) |
| 19:49.38 | blast007 | not sure what it truely does though :) |
| 19:50.07 | Epyon | L4m3r, I guess it would be a PITA to do reflection on another rurface than the ground :P |
| 19:50.59 | L4m3r | that and, it'd KILL performance on low-end system |
| 19:51.03 | L4m3r | systems* |
| 19:51.14 | L4m3r | which a good portion of BZtankers are using |
| 19:51.41 | blast007 | could technically kill high end machines too |
| 19:51.55 | blast007 | for instance, if two reflective surfaces are pointing at each other ;) |
| 19:52.15 | blast007 | I think that in itself was one of the reasons it was shot down before |
| 19:52.54 | blast007 | you could limit the recursion of the reflections, but the amount of calculations could add up quickly |
| 19:52.54 | brlcad | oops, filled up the disk with the svnroot testing |
| 19:53.02 | blast007 | heh |
| 19:54.23 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03bryjen * r15162 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/LocalPlayer.cxx: only do additive Z velocity when falling. this still prevents the vertical U-turn with one wings flap when falling from great heights, but prevents extreme velocities in other cases |
| 19:54.36 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15163 10/trunk/bzwgen/bzwgen.cxx: -output (-o) option added for putting the output to another file. |
| 19:54.36 | brlcad | Epyon: very nice! |
| 19:54.55 | Epyon | brlcad, what is nice? o.O |
| 19:54.58 | brlcad | those little square buildins would make great scatter buildings |
| 19:55.06 | Winny | Epyon: workin on it :P |
| 19:55.20 | Epyon | brlcad, scatter is planned, but bases go first :) |
| 19:55.35 | tannerld | scatter buildings? |
| 19:55.38 | Epyon | Winny, I'd really love the black skyscrapper :D |
| 19:55.46 | blast007 | Epyon: you still need some arcologies and water pumps |
| 19:55.58 | Epyon | Winny, and if possible seperate level 0 textures |
| 19:56.02 | brlcad | and then walkways that connect between buildings |
| 19:56.24 | brlcad | and arches |
| 19:56.24 | Epyon | brlcad, this one is a *lot* harder than it seems o.O |
| 19:56.48 | brlcad | then the insides of the buildings |
| 19:57.01 | blast007 | cubicles! |
| 19:57.01 | Winny | yes |
| 19:57.03 | Epyon | brlcad, and let's not forget the furniture :P |
| 19:57.11 | brlcad | of course not |
| 19:57.12 | Winny | and elevators that take you to different levels |
| 19:57.16 | Winny | and elevator music |
| 19:57.19 | blast007 | and then have a computer in the cubicle running bzflag |
| 19:57.20 | brlcad | gotta have furniture |
| 19:57.24 | Epyon | And people running around! |
| 19:57.25 | brlcad | hehe |
| 19:57.31 | Winny | and a fire alarm |
| 19:57.44 | tannerld | need that dynamic materials - so it changes to night textures at night with lights on :P |
| 19:57.46 | Epyon | blast007, and you can logon the computer and play infinite recursiveness xP |
| 19:58.03 | Epyon | tannerld, actually THIS IS A GREAT idea. |
| 19:58.16 | Epyon | If only BZW supported illumination maps. |
| 19:58.30 | tannerld | Epyon: I'd love to have dynamic materials or something of the suc |
| 19:59.55 | Winny | Epyon: when are you expecting these? |
| 20:00.22 | Winny | the textures, that is |
| 20:00.41 | Epyon | it'd be nice to have them tommorow :) |
| 20:00.53 | Epyon | But send in them mas you do them. |
| 20:01.08 | Winny | tommorow? roffle |
| 20:01.09 | blast007 | Winny: by 5PM! snap snap! did you complete those TPA reports I requested? |
| 20:01.24 | Winny | not yet sir, blast007 sir... |
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| 20:05.57 | Winny | uhoh... this guy posting on the forums sounds like he'll be trouble "SkaterGOD/DOOD23" |
| 20:07.19 | Epyon | a = b = 10; -- will this set both a and b to 10? |
| 20:09.53 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15164 10/trunk/bzwgen/GridGenerator.cxx: --gridsize (-g) option added for setting the grid size. Should I separate X and Y grid? |
| 20:10.01 | L4m3r | Epyon: I believe so |
| 20:10.15 | L4m3r | = returns the value, iirc |
| 20:16.14 | brlcad | purple panzer's page includes a lot of good screenshots of pybzflag in action -- most of those "different" screenshots came from part of it iirc http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bentz/bzflag/MyMaps.html |
| 20:24.38 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r15165 10/trunk/bzflag/ (6 files in 4 dirs): jeez, this has been in here for years. turn off conditional screenshots as a configuration/compilation option. |
| 20:28.43 | Epyon | OMG, wierdest bug ever, help! |
| 20:29.25 | blast007 | it generated random 3D cow models wearing baseball caps? |
| 20:29.51 | Epyon | blast007, darn, who told you? o.O |
| 20:30.09 | Epyon | http://pastebin.ca/663683 |
| 20:30.09 | blast007 | I have my sources |
| 20:30.18 | Epyon | All options work except h :/ |
| 20:30.25 | Epyon | Now the funny thing is: |
| 20:30.37 | Epyon | When I change h to anything else it still doesn't work |
| 20:30.56 | Epyon | But if I paste printHelp() into "d" it works. |
| 20:31.23 | Epyon | But if I remove debugLe... and the rest and leave printHelp it doesn't work o.O |
| 20:31.30 | Epyon | WTF? |
| 20:32.24 | blast007 | you inserted printHelp() before or after "debugLevel = cmd->GetDataI("d");" ? |
| 20:32.34 | Epyon | before |
| 20:32.40 | blast007 | o.o |
| 20:32.47 | blast007 | hmm |
| 20:33.21 | blast007 | find some way to verify if printHelp is bring triggered |
| 20:33.41 | Epyon | Well it should print stuff should'nt it? |
| 20:34.31 | tupone | cmd->Exists() is a const ? |
| 20:35.23 | Epyon | ok, I think I found the bugger |
| 20:35.27 | Epyon | JeffM's fault xP |
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| 20:36.05 | *** join/#bzflag LongDon (n=LongDon@host-091-097-080-232.ewe-ip-backbone.de) |
| 20:38.22 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15166 10/trunk/bzwgen/bzwgen.cxx: Implemented -h (--help) -- not working yet, need to catch JeffM. |
| 20:39.02 | Epyon | bzlgen --help 0 worked xP |
| 20:41.03 | tannerld | yay |
| 20:41.05 | tannerld | ~epyon++ |
| 20:41.33 | Epyon | tannerld, what was that for :)? |
| 20:42.09 | tannerld | Epyon: not a clue |
| 20:42.14 | tannerld | Epyon: wake me if you find out |
| 20:42.51 | LongDon | ~karma Epyon |
| 20:42.51 | ibot | epyon has karma of 37 |
| 20:42.59 | tannerld | ~karma jude- |
| 20:42.59 | ibot | jude- has karma of 112 |
| 20:43.23 | Winny | ~karma Winny |
| 20:43.23 | ibot | winny has karma of 16 |
| 20:43.47 | tannerld | ~karma tannerld |
| 20:43.48 | ibot | tannerld has karma of 19 |
| 20:43.51 | tannerld | Winny: hah |
| 20:44.01 | Winny | .. |
| 20:44.05 | Winny | what did you do? :p |
| 20:44.19 | Winny | ~Winny-- |
| 20:44.35 | Winny | hrm, can't dekarma myself |
| 20:46.52 | CBG` | eh |
| 20:47.42 | Epyon | ~karma CBG |
| 20:47.42 | ibot | cbg has karma of -434 |
| 20:47.49 | Epyon | ~CBG-- |
| 20:47.50 | Epyon | :D |
| 20:48.46 | spldart | :~) |
| 20:52.27 | Epyon | Let's play "what changed" |
| 20:52.31 | Epyon | I start : http://bzflag.chaosforge.org/screenshots/bzfi0036.png |
| 20:53.29 | tannerld | that building's roof |
| 20:53.34 | tannerld | its smaller |
| 20:53.43 | tannerld | and one bizzare building has a lawn |
| 20:54.28 | Epyon | the size hasn't changed. Theres a new rule for roof dingbats |
| 20:54.32 | DTRemenak | Epyon: 'twould be cool to have teleporters linked to the roofs somehow |
| 20:54.43 | DTRemenak | so we could take advantage of the height w/o wings |
| 20:54.45 | Epyon | DTRemenak, planned when I do doors |
| 20:54.48 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 20:55.04 | Epyon | DTRemenak, but it might be tricky :/ |
| 20:55.33 | DTRemenak | tricky makes it more fun :) |
| 20:55.45 | Epyon | tricky takes more time too -_- |
| 20:55.50 | DTRemenak | true |
| 20:56.13 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15167 10/trunk/bzwgen/rules/test.set: Roof dingbats. |
| 20:58.08 | brlcad | Epyon: not to distract you until after gsoc ends, but you can buy individual siggraph courses now (the actual videos) for some of the courses |
| 20:58.50 | brlcad | more goodness on urban procedural modeling this year :) |
| 20:59.17 | Epyon | brlcad I know I knwo |
| 21:12.50 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15168 10/trunk/bzwgen/GridMap.cxx: Now that the grammar is working, empty zones are not needed anymore. |
| 21:24.24 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15169 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (GridMap.cxx GridMap.h): Yyyh, broke gridmap. Also removed output from gridmap as it was legacy code anyway. |
| 21:25.41 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15170 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (Generator.cxx Generator.h bzwgen.cxx): Prepared commandline -b (--bases) for bases support. |
| 21:26.31 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15171 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (GridGenerator.cxx GridGenerator.h globals.h): -s (--gridsnap) option to control the snapping of the grid on the map to equal lots. |
| 21:27.52 | Epyon | Everyone asleep? :P |
| 21:31.55 | Epyon | SnapGrid 3 looks better. I think I'll leave it as a default -> http://bzflag.chaosforge.org/screenshots/bzfi0037.png |
| 21:33.19 | tannerld | snapgrid 3? :P |
| 21:33.41 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15172 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (GridGenerator.cxx bzwgen.cxx rules/test.set): GridSnap 3 is default, reduced number of greenroofs |
| 21:34.24 | Epyon | Snapgrid is what controls your destiny. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together... |
| 21:34.50 | Epyon | Apart from that it's a snap value so roads don't get generated right to each other :P |
| 21:36.13 | tannerld | snapgrid = gridlock advisor |
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| 21:45.01 | LadyF | hmm... i'm still trying to figure something |
| 21:45.19 | LadyF | blast007: are you around? |
| 21:45.26 | blast007 | yeah |
| 21:45.53 | LadyF | hey - you mentioned something about some posts on the bzflag forum getting moved someplace else last night... |
| 21:46.25 | LadyF | i'm kind of curious about something, if you happen to remember what those posts were about... |
| 21:47.37 | LadyF | i'm still trying to get to the bottom of what actually took place, and i'm getting a few suspicions |
| 21:48.16 | blast007 | the only post was yours |
| 21:48.22 | blast007 | noone had replied |
| 21:48.37 | LadyF | no, i know... i'm just curious where they were moved to? |
| 21:48.50 | LadyF | and i'm even more curious about what happened to my bz client |
| 21:49.06 | blast007 | it wasn't anything happening to your client persay |
| 21:49.16 | blast007 | someone was just abusing an exploit |
| 21:49.23 | LadyF | ok... so that's what i figured. |
| 21:49.40 | blast007 | or, I suppose not an "exploit", but a game flaw |
| 21:49.44 | LadyF | is it safe to suspect that the person abusing the exploit was the same person who kicked/banned me? |
| 21:49.49 | blast007 | no |
| 21:49.52 | LadyF | i see... |
| 21:49.59 | blast007 | they kicked based on what they saw |
| 21:50.06 | blast007 | your tank was exibiting strange behavior |
| 21:50.08 | LadyF | so bz client has remotely exploitable code? |
| 21:50.13 | LadyF | hmmm |
| 21:50.13 | blast007 | no |
| 21:50.26 | blast007 | this was just a usual packet sent to the server by a modified client |
| 21:50.38 | blast007 | so someone else was causing that issue for others, or just specific users |
| 21:50.54 | blast007 | I've seen it myself on another server |
| 21:51.03 | LadyF | ok, well, it would be nice if someone would inform Whammo of this... |
| 21:51.21 | a_meteorite | talk to badgerking |
| 21:51.24 | LadyF | and if someone would please remove the ban on badgerking. not that i have any particular intention of returning there |
| 21:51.35 | a_meteorite | the server owner is the only one you should take these problems too |
| 21:51.45 | blast007 | yeah, exactly |
| 21:51.46 | LadyF | i understand that... |
| 21:51.49 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15173 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (GridGenerator.cxx GridGenerator.h bzwgen.cxx): -v (--subdiv) implemented to control the amount of subdivisions |
| 21:51.55 | blast007 | that's the reason I moved the thread |
| 21:52.07 | blast007 | I was just about to PM you, but you came on IRC then :) |
| 21:52.10 | a_meteorite | the bzflag project really doesn't have a policy on mediating problems between players and servers |
| 21:52.30 | LadyF | but i'm more curious if there was something exploitable in the client that may have caused it to happen... |
| 21:52.31 | a_meteorite | yeah, it's not cool they banned you, but they run the servers how *they* want and they choose the admins *they* want |
| 21:52.43 | a_meteorite | yes, it's people taking an advantage of the few checks that the server does |
| 21:52.52 | LadyF | and the suspicion i had was that whammo was responsible, due to the nature of his response to me when i asked what had happened. |
| 21:53.21 | LadyF | ah well, it's no big deal, i was just curious about what sorts of new exploits were now trendy with bz... |
| 21:53.45 | LadyF | so, thanks for the info and education... |
| 21:53.57 | a_meteorite | all of them are trendy ;) |
| 21:53.57 | CBG` | LadyF: bzflag was originally designed as a LAN game |
| 21:53.59 | a_meteorite | whatever floats their boat |
| 21:54.08 | LadyF | yeah, i know CBG |
| 21:54.15 | a_meteorite | yeah, exactly, if someone was cheating you could just go knock them upside the head |
| 21:54.22 | CBG` | so if someone caused trouble, you would walk over to them and sort it out man to man ;) |
| 21:54.23 | LadyF | :) |
| 21:54.26 | a_meteorite | now since it's an internet game people take advantage of that |
| 21:54.52 | CBG` | And, sadly, it hasn't changed all that much. It's way way too easy to cheat and cause mischief. |
| 21:55.05 | LadyF | yeah... i've just never seen one like this before |
| 21:55.14 | LadyF | makes me rather disinclined to fire up bz again |
| 21:55.34 | CBG` | Go work in a supermarket, you'll see loads of crazy new stuff everyday. o.O |
| 21:56.20 | bryjen | ugh. badger's probly the only one who can effectively edit the banlist anyway. it's gotten too long. when i request it in the client i get disconnected :( |
| 21:56.40 | LadyF | well, i've no idea how to reach badger... does he come on irc? |
| 21:57.22 | a_meteorite | bryjen: yeah |
| 21:57.35 | bryjen | i don't think so. a PM at the forum may work. |
| 21:57.36 | a_meteorite | I was gonna unban her last night, then I just get disconnected |
| 21:57.54 | a_meteorite | the problem is they love forever bans which don't do crap anymore |
| 21:58.06 | a_meteorite | (dynamic IP bans that last forever are useless) |
| 21:58.10 | bryjen | most of 'em are probly permanent bans on temporary (dynamic) addresses. |
| 21:58.17 | bryjen | a-yup |
| 21:58.28 | LadyF | it's no matter - i'd rather make a point of avoiding servers on which whammo is an admin (i remember his attitude from 3 years ago) |
| 21:58.40 | LadyF | so leave the ban there... |
| 21:58.47 | LadyF | anyway, back to my coffee.... bye |
| 21:59.13 | CBG` | a_meteorite: worse than useless. they block the innocent folk who get the IP of the banned one. |
| 21:59.26 | a_meteorite | CBG`: yeah, technically, but rare |
| 21:59.47 | CBG` | if you say so, I know too little about it |
| 22:00.25 | a_meteorite | well, you would need someone in that IP block (same ISP), and then it'd be a 1 in thousands chance |
| 22:00.30 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r15174 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/man/Makefile.am: Distribute .in files |
| 22:00.39 | a_meteorite | then you also gotta factor in IF they're a bzflag player |
| 22:01.03 | CBG` | Also depends how often dynamic IPs change. |
| 22:01.12 | CBG` | I wouldn't know... always been static. |
| 22:01.24 | a_meteorite | mine changes even in a different class A, but usually class B |
| 22:01.38 | a_meteorite | that's... |
| 22:01.45 | a_meteorite | ~math 255*255*255 |
| 22:01.51 | a_meteorite | ~255*255*255 |
| 22:01.52 | ibot | 16581375 |
| 22:01.58 | a_meteorite | different addresses :) |
| 22:02.04 | CBG` | yep |
| 22:02.23 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r15175 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Do not play with CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS if they are set by user |
| 22:03.05 | a_meteorite | tupone: :\ |
| 22:03.10 | *** part/#bzflag LongDon (n=LongDon@host-091-097-080-232.ewe-ip-backbone.de) |
| 22:03.57 | a_meteorite | bz sometimes appends really useful flags, that may not get set if you add them yourself :) |
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| 22:06.59 | jude- | hello all |
| 22:07.18 | Epyon | jude- :D |
| 22:08.01 | bryjen | hmm |
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| 22:09.56 | bryjen | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m79e798d9 tupone? |
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| 22:17.36 | Epyon | Darn, the most stupid thing about the code I wrote now is that it *should* work. |
| 22:17.47 | Epyon | Let's see if it's that stupid... |
| 22:18.11 | Epyon | Darn, it compilerd. |
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| 22:19.14 | jude- | Epyon: join the club. we have t-shirts |
| 22:19.49 | tannerld | hi jude- |
| 22:20.03 | Epyon | t-shirts? |
| 22:20.52 | jude- | they read "The code I wrote *should* work, but it doesn't :(" |
| 22:21.00 | Epyon | xP |
| 22:22.47 | jude- | purple_cow: been there, done that, bought the t-shirt, went on the world tour xD |
| 22:27.33 | jude- | purple_cow: I hear VMWare's IPO went well? |
| 22:28.30 | purple_cow | jude-: yup |
| 22:28.54 | donny_baker | ~L4m3r++ |
| 22:29.06 | purple_cow | it's all funny-money for at least 6 months, though |
| 22:29.14 | jude- | heh |
| 22:29.17 | L4m3r | donny_baker: :) |
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| 22:38.34 | Winny | hrm |
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| 22:40.56 | a_meteorite | Winny: if you do, you gotta get pics :P |
| 22:41.05 | a_meteorite | forrestv: hi maze |
| 22:41.16 | Winny | a_meteorite: duh :p |
| 22:42.54 | Epyon | can i force bzfs to load a map with errors? |
| 22:43.44 | Winny | Epyon: don't think so |
| 22:45.04 | blast007 | a_meteorite: "mazer" |
| 22:45.25 | a_meteorite | messing up his name is all part of the game plan |
| 22:53.31 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15176 10/trunk/bzflag/src/platform/WinDisplay.cxx: don't iconify on a deactivate if we are in windowed mode |
| 22:57.07 | Epyon | baka baka baka baka |
| 23:00.09 | blast007 | either way, it'd be fun |
| 23:01.47 | Epyon | Done it! |
| 23:04.09 | jude- | Epyon: done what? |
| 23:07.59 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15177 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (5 files): (log message trimmed) |
| 23:07.59 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: DONE IT! I rewrote the whole code handling the detection of zones from a 2D |
| 23:07.59 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: grid. Now it can handle any partitioning as long as the building lots are |
| 23:07.59 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: rectangular. At least now I will be able to do true subdivision and not a |
| 23:07.59 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: chessboard with one or two 'abominations'... Also implemnting bases should be |
| 23:08.02 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: easy now, as well as any map placement issues. Darn, I was afraid of this one |
| 23:08.04 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: o.O. As an immidate sideffect, the map takes now *exactly* the space of the |
| 23:08.22 | Epyon | Oh my, this was a biggie! |
| 23:08.29 | jude- | ~Epyon++ |
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| 23:09.00 | Epyon | :DDDD |
| 23:09.14 | *** part/#bzflag kierra (i=47014e96@gateway/web/cgi-irc/zeebrothers.net/x-c1f9c1b4c8c0f4b2) |
| 23:09.16 | Epyon | Now I'll rewrite the partitioning code and add bases :D |
| 23:09.24 | jude- | woot |
| 23:12.08 | brad | ~epyon++ |
| 23:13.53 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15178 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (GridGenerator.cxx bzwgen.cxx): LOL, the -s size and -s gridsnap had the same param -- it was funny to see bzwgen hang trying to generate a snap 2 size 2 world xP |
| 23:14.09 | jude- | lol |
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| 23:25.17 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03judecn * r15179 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (6 files in 5 dirs): |
| 23:25.17 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Added preliminary support for grouping objects. Doesn't properly render |
| 23:25.17 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: yet. |
| 23:25.41 | JeffM | DTRemenak, you there? |
| 23:25.49 | Epyon | ~jude-++ |
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| 23:27.44 | Epyon | JeffM, a problem with your commandArgs |
| 23:27.57 | JeffM | ? |
| 23:28.13 | Epyon | it doesn't handle non param parameters? |
| 23:28.18 | Epyon | bzwgen -h |
| 23:28.54 | blast007 | JeffM: it didn't handle "-h" on it's own, but "-h 0" worked |
| 23:29.11 | Epyon | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:29.25 | Epyon | other commands (parametric) work good |
| 23:29.36 | JeffM | so it dosn't take it if it dosn't have a param? |
| 23:29.53 | blast007 | correct |
| 23:30.15 | JeffM | k, I'll get it and take a look |
| 23:31.05 | Epyon | JeffM, commands passed via argc/argv |
| 23:31.19 | JeffM | should not matter |
| 23:31.24 | JeffM | it's all parsed the same way |
| 23:32.00 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15180 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/plugin_utils/ (plugin_HTTP.cpp plugin_HTTP.h): fixes to generic HTTP base class to make it actually work |
| 23:36.09 | TD-Linux | Epyon, I suppose your maps don't work in 2.0 because of the matref bug? |
| 23:36.13 | TD-Linux | did someone backport the fix yet? |
| 23:36.51 | JeffM | hmm, looks like I'll have to rewrite it :) |
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| 23:42.01 | Macrosoft | TD-Linux: trying to keep epileptics from stealing your thinkpad? |
| 23:43.47 | TD-Linux | Macrosoft, something like that |
| 23:43.52 | TD-Linux | the battery led is the most evil |
| 23:44.02 | TD-Linux | the green and orange parts of the dual-color LED blink independently :P |
| 23:44.22 | TD-Linux | err Pidgin |
| 23:46.30 | Epyon | Yaaay again :D |
| 23:47.01 | Epyon | Screenie anyone? :D |
| 23:47.05 | TD-Linux | sure |
| 23:47.15 | TD-Linux | you're just teasing us |
| 23:47.42 | TD-Linux | ~force Epyon to show screenshot |
| 23:47.48 | TD-Linux | :/ |
| 23:47.54 | TD-Linux | ~convince Epyon |
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| 23:48.15 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15181 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (GridGenerator.cxx GridMap.cxx globals.h): Rewrote the handling of crossroads, they're not special anymore, just a normal zone. There's a nice sideeffect thanks to that for the future :D |
| 23:48.38 | Epyon | Here's the sideeffect : http://bzflag.chaosforge.org/screenshots/bzfi0038.png :P |
| 23:49.16 | TD-Linux | ! |
| 23:49.22 | Epyon | !? |
| 23:49.30 | TD-Linux | are all the roads like that, or are some singlewide? |
| 23:49.51 | Epyon | look carefully :p |
| 23:50.07 | TD-Linux | aha yes! |
| 23:51.38 | TD-Linux | you should add parks or something yet :) |
| 23:51.45 | TD-Linux | stopsigns/lights? |
| 23:51.54 | TD-Linux | that might be too complex for the amount of time |
| 23:52.12 | Epyon | TD-Linux, get me the models and we'll think about it :P |
| 23:52.19 | TD-Linux | ok |
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| 23:52.23 | Epyon | I'd be happy about some trees too |
| 23:52.38 | TD-Linux | due to some problems with the prefabs forum, that might be hard :/ |
| 23:52.47 | Winny | Epyon: are buildings the only thing planed? |
| 23:52.58 | Epyon | One rule -- they need to be in the 1.0 unit 1 meter scale, and in a separate file 0,0,0 based |
| 23:52.59 | Winny | cause I mean...well... |
| 23:53.14 | Epyon | Winny, 36 hours left. take a guess :P |
| 23:53.20 | Winny | oh, hehe |
| 23:53.38 | Epyon | But I'll be working on it afterward if people will want me to. |
| 23:53.53 | Epyon | And then all is possible. |
| 23:54.09 | CIA-23 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/GPLib/src/commandArgs.cpp: do a smarter parsing of the command line, if there is no param, set it to "1" for that key |
| 23:54.29 | Winny | I know alot of people really dislike the louman metropolisy type maps |
| 23:54.50 | tupone | a_meteorite, which useful flag? |
| 23:54.53 | Epyon | JeffM, give me a ling to the file |
| 23:54.59 | JeffM | same as last time |
| 23:55.03 | JeffM | opencombat CVS |
| 23:55.27 | Epyon | JeffM, I lost a PC -_- |
| 23:55.32 | Epyon | I don't have the link. |
| 23:55.35 | JeffM | sf |
| 23:56.01 | TD-Linux | Epyon, I'm going to rip some trees out of louman's mystic valley |
| 23:56.51 | Epyon | TD-Linux, cool :D. Then I'll have an incentive to work on include(model) for the grammar :D |
| 23:57.11 | JeffM | http://sourceforge.net/projects/opencombat/ |
| 23:57.48 | Epyon | found it |
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