IRC log for #bzflag on 20070818

`00:02.20`	`bryjen`	`i just realized i had zero problems connecting to my v2.1 server when testing over the lan at work today. but i still cannot connect to it over the internet from home.`
`00:03.45`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15058 10/trunk/bzwgen/Operation.h: OperationExtrude will use the faces material from now on. It is as yet indecided if changing that will be an option of extrude, or will you have to have a new rule for the walls.`
`00:08.08`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15059 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (lexer.l parser.y rules/test.set): OperationMaterial implemented into the parser. test.set changed to test it. Until attributes are implemented materials can only be specified by numbers.`
`00:08.59`	`*** join/#bzflag uqmsucker (n=opera@201.80.222.99)`
`00:09.01`	`winwinwin`	`Winny ?`
`00:09.20`	`blast007`	`winwinwin ftw!`
`00:09.41`	`loseloselose`	`xP`
`00:10.09`	`rtfm`	`omg i r 2 l33t 4 u`
`00:10.25`	`*** part/#bzflag uqmsucker (n=opera@201.80.222.99)`
`00:10.30`	`Epyon`	`rtfm, hav sm b33r xP`
`00:10.44`	`rtfm`	`thx`
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`00:13.36`	`winwinwin`	`rtfm why?`
`00:13.47`	`rtfm`	`what now?`
`00:14.19`	`winwinwin`	`rtfm ftw!`
`00:14.28`	`rtfm`	`yay!`
`00:14.37`	`winwinwin`	`rtfm ftw!`
`00:14.44`	`rtfm`	`anyway...`
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`00:14.54`	`winwinwin`	`what's the meaning of ftw?`
`00:15.01`	`blast007`	`for the win`
`00:15.06`	`blast007`	`;)`
`00:15.11`	`winwinwin`	`what's the meaning fuck the way?`
`00:15.24`	`blast007`	`for the win...`
`00:15.44`	`blast007`	`ftw == for the win`
`00:15.45`	`winwinwin`	`:)`
`00:15.58`	`bryjen`	`if i use curl to try to retrieve the map from the fastmap plugin, i only get the 1st block of 1000 bytes, and then it stalls. its like bzfs loses track of the connection when going over the 'net`
`00:16.13`	`blast007`	`bryjen: hmm`
`00:16.17`	`blast007`	`I get the whole thing`
`00:16.24`	`blast007`	`but that was from the same system running the server`
`00:16.45`	`bryjen`	`it worked fine when i was on the lan with it at work. just having these problems from home`
`00:17.26`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15060 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (GridGenerator.cxx rules/test.set): Fixed the test.set, and increased the number of lots on a map. Materials work :D.`
`00:17.36`	`blast007`	`waiting for my client to unlock itself :/`
`00:18.04`	`blast007`	`"Error connecting to server" fun`
`00:18.14`	`linlinlin`	`Epyon, I could make you an IBM texture`
`00:18.19`	`blast007`	`ah yeah, it's doing it for me too, bryjen`
`00:18.28`	`blast007`	`in the client, I get the first 1000 bytes, and it stops`
`00:19.42`	`bryjen`	`what OS is the bzfs at bzexcess running on?`
`00:19.48`	`blast007`	`debian sarge`
`00:20.04`	`bryjen`	`hmm`
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`00:20.24`	`bryjen`	`the case for a BSD conspiracy deepens ;)`
`00:20.34`	`blast007`	`I'm going to see if I can do an SSH tunnel`
`00:20.42`	`blast007`	`no wait, that won't work...`
`00:20.56`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03atupone * r15061 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/ (m4/Makefile.am m4/mkdirp.m4 plugins/plugin_utils/Makefile.am):`
`00:20.56`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: mkdirp.m4 is overriding system file, and so make dist does not work. Removing it.`
`00:20.56`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: Fixing make dist removing no existing files from EXTRA_DIST`
`00:21.03`	`blast007`	`it'll point to bzexcess.com even if I join to "localhost"`
`00:21.48`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15062 10/trunk/bzwgen/rules/test.set: Okay, those skyscrapers had a ridiculous height...`
`00:22.07`	`blast007`	`I could just turn around and use it, but, that's no fun`
`00:22.23`	`TD-Linux`	`Epyon, tall is good :D`
`00:22.43`	`TD-Linux`	`unless it was _really_ 'ridiculous'`
`00:22.44`	`Epyon`	`TD-Linux, one moment :P`
`00:22.50`	`blast007`	`bryjen: works in a wget here...`
`00:23.12`	`blast007`	`and in curl`
`00:24.00`	`brlcad`	`tupone: what does the mkdirp.m4 message mean?`
`00:24.02`	`brlcad`	`what does it override?`
`00:24.06`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15063 10/trunk/bzwgen/BuildZone.cxx: Grammar generated buildings lacked an inside point.`
`00:24.07`	`tupone`	`mine`
`00:24.11`	`JeffM`	`blast007, think it needs an EOF, or EOT character?`
`00:24.23`	`brlcad`	`but what does that mean? :)`
`00:24.24`	`blast007`	`JeffM: it doesn't get that far`
`00:24.27`	`tupone`	`it does not use the one within automake/autoconf`
`00:24.31`	`blast007`	`JeffM: it stalls at 1000 bytes in the client`
`00:24.50`	`JeffM`	`wierd`
`00:24.52`	`tupone`	`there is no Serial in it. So the one used is the one in m4/ and is wrong`
`00:24.52`	`blast007`	`yet works via curl and wget on my slackware box`
`00:24.56`	`brlcad`	`and it's actually different? causes make dist to fail?`
`00:25.03`	`tupone`	`yep`
`00:25.09`	`brlcad`	`what's the failure?`
`00:25.12`	`tupone`	`does not create directory`
`00:25.22`	`brlcad`	`i've not seen a different mkdirp.m4`
`00:25.24`	`tupone`	`is not even called`
`00:25.35`	`brlcad`	`erm`
`00:25.45`	`tupone`	`at least is not called the AC_MKDIR ... something`
`00:25.50`	`brlcad`	`ooh, i bet the branch had the one with the bug still`
`00:25.54`	`tupone`	`while it is called when I remove it`
`00:26.05`	`JeffM`	`HTTP dosn't have a "gimme more" message does it?`
`00:26.25`	`blast007`	`nope`
`00:26.36`	`tupone`	`I don't think is good having it in our directory`
`00:26.46`	`brlcad`	`curious to hear if you have the same problem with head`
`00:26.51`	`tupone`	`as it override any fix I can have with automake`
`00:27.23`	`tupone`	`Whenever they will ship with the serial xxx is good to me to have in it`
`00:27.29`	`brlcad`	`it's a pretty trivial little macro, rarely ever changes`
`00:27.41`	`tupone`	`well, it changed :)`
`00:27.54`	`Epyon`	`TD-Linux, McDonalds -> http://chaosforge.org/bzfi0006.png`
`00:28.08`	`brlcad`	`well like I said, that particular copy actually had a typo in it iirc`
`00:28.12`	`Epyon`	`Now you see what I mean to tall/big? xP`
`00:28.13`	`brlcad`	`a line missing`
`00:28.30`	`TD-Linux`	`that's a huge mcdonalds`
`00:28.36`	`tupone`	`but I see changes in it from automake 1.9 to automake 1.10 and so`
`00:28.52`	`TD-Linux`	`can you have more than one building per block?`
`00:28.58`	`TD-Linux`	`and you need parking lots.`
`00:29.11`	`Epyon`	`TD-Linux, yes although that's a hack as for now.`
`00:29.16`	`Epyon`	`But all is on a good way :)`
`00:29.27`	`brlcad`	`the reason it's included is because it's an often-encountered error that they're using an older (supported) automake that doesn't have it available`
`00:29.55`	`brlcad`	`which causes a failure outright and the only solution is to upgrade automake (which isn't always an option, nor often desireable)`
`00:30.08`	`Epyon`	`To have non-square buildings I need to get someone help me with one little vector problem with extrude, and do a triangulation (convexation) algorithm`
`00:30.28`	`brlcad`	`if the min version requirement were to increase from 1.6 then I'd agree that it could probably be chucked to the trash`
`00:30.42`	`brlcad`	`but as it is, it really should work if you've got the right file`
`00:30.47`	`brlcad`	`regardless of the version`
`00:30.48`	`Epyon`	`lol, http://cia.vc/`
`00:30.52`	`JeffM`	`Epyon, the extrusion of any polygon can be done simple`
`00:31.04`	`JeffM`	`quads for the sides and then just use the poly for the caps`
`00:31.16`	`Epyon`	`JeffM, extrusion works`
`00:31.23`	`Epyon`	`Typo :P`
`00:31.37`	`Epyon`	`I was thinking about extension`
`00:31.37`	`JeffM`	`just don't allow concave :)`
`00:31.42`	`brlcad`	`Epyon: we've been on the top of the list many times, just takes a good active day (like yesterday and today) :)`
`00:32.10`	`JeffM`	`well I wasn't commiting once for each line last week ;)`
`00:32.17`	`Epyon`	`Erroneous, why do I feel it's my fault :P`
`00:32.32`	`Epyon`	`extension is basically uniform taperisation`
`00:32.41`	`Erroneous`	`Epyon: there's been quite a bit of activity the last few days. you and others.`
`00:32.42`	`brlcad`	`you can tell gsoc is coming to a close soon .. deadlines deadlines :)`
`00:32.52`	`Epyon`	`brlcad, xP`
`00:33.09`	`brlcad`	`on top of the rest of us just finally getting around to committing stuff too..`
`00:33.10`	`JeffM`	`Epyon, I think CIA answerd your question on how long a day is :)`
`00:33.11`	`brlcad`	`contagious`
`00:33.18`	`JeffM`	`it's GMT`
`00:33.42`	`JeffM`	`quck commit 8 things and you'll breat kDE`
`00:33.51`	`Epyon`	`Nope, it's GMT + or - 2h`
`00:34.06`	`JeffM`	`probably wherever the server is then`
`00:34.15`	`JeffM`	`it just reset`
`00:34.17`	`JeffM`	`we are down to 6`
`00:34.19`	`brlcad`	`ahh yep.. branch was indeed missing the two special lines that were needed for 1.10 compatibility`
`00:34.24`	`Epyon`	`brlcad, I'm really happy to see the map load speed being worked on :)`
`00:34.34`	`JeffM`	`if we can make it actualy WORK`
`00:34.55`	`JeffM`	`brlcad, know anything about HTTP tansfers?`
`00:35.08`	`JeffM`	`I'm about ready to bust out libHTTP`
`00:35.09`	`brlcad`	`yeah, I usually do a bunch every day :P`
`00:35.27`	`brlcad`	`why bother? just use libcurl?`
`00:35.28`	`JeffM`	`does it end in an EOF or EOT character? or just close the conenction?`
`00:35.30`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r15064 10/trunk/bzflag/BUGS: no missing files, we scan until we can't find anymore. mountain discontinuity is a different problem.`
`00:35.33`	`Epyon`	`Okay, time to work on handling extrude and subdivision face seperation`
`00:35.35`	`JeffM`	`brlcad, for a server?`
`00:35.42`	`brlcad`	`why not`
`00:35.47`	`JeffM`	`can it do that?`
`00:35.58`	`brlcad`	`what do you mean actually?`
`00:36.03`	`brlcad`	`responding to http requests?`
`00:36.06`	`brlcad`	`or making them`
`00:36.08`	`JeffM`	`HTTP server.. INSIDE bzfs`
`00:36.12`	`JeffM`	`in a plug-in`
`00:36.20`	`JeffM`	`so yes, responding to them`
`00:36.20`	`brlcad`	`ah, thought you had that working last night? :)`
`00:36.24`	`JeffM`	`it is`
`00:36.25`	`JeffM`	`ish`
`00:36.31`	`JeffM`	`just not in all cases it seems`
`00:36.44`	`JeffM`	`when it does work it is faster`
`00:37.40`	`brlcad`	`faster than..`
`00:37.52`	`JeffM`	`BZFS protocoll transfers`
`00:38.06`	`brlcad`	`that's a bit odd`
`00:38.07`	`JeffM`	`BZFS map transfers are limited to 1k per lag`
`00:38.20`	`JeffM`	`the HTTP slams it out as fast as it can`
`00:38.23`	`brlcad`	`ahh, so just the chop-up alone with the run-loop`
`00:38.46`	`JeffM`	`yeah, it sends out a k per loop if there isn't one in the que`
`00:38.51`	`brlcad`	`that's where a thread on the server would help (but then putting in an httpd loop effectively does that too of course)`
`00:38.58`	`bryjen`	`JeffM: i think the fastmap thing is having the same issue as the v2.1 client in general. works fine with bzfs & bzflag on the same machine or LAN. stalls after a low number of bytes/packtes when going over the internet.`
`00:39.08`	`JeffM`	`wierd`
`00:39.21`	`Erroneous`	`that would not be terribly surprising`
`00:39.34`	`JeffM`	`so our entire connect mechanism isn't waiting long enough probably`
`00:39.44`	`bryjen`	`except for Erroneous's servers that is >:\|`
`00:39.48`	`Erroneous`	`heh`
`00:40.02`	`JeffM`	`I'd realy like it if someone else could go over that connection acception stuff`
`00:40.35`	`Erroneous`	`seem to be`
`00:40.44`	`Erroneous`	`so if mine work and yours don't...`
`00:41.28`	`brlcad`	`what about actually embedding/using that tiny one what Erroneous pointed out, use their select loop and all`
`00:41.31`	`bryjen`	`blast's doesn't work either :P`
`00:42.08`	`Erroneous`	`aw`
`00:42.08`	`bryjen`	`ours are linux and yours is a BSD, correct?`
`00:42.12`	`Erroneous`	`yeah`
`00:42.26`	`brlcad`	`so the problem is clearly on your end`
`00:42.30`	`JeffM`	`so basicly, linux sucks`
`00:42.32`	`bryjen`	`donno if that means anything`
`00:42.43`	`JeffM`	`probably how they do networking`
`00:42.47`	`bryjen`	`~lart JeffM repeatedly`
`00:42.47`	`ibot`	`slaps JeffM repeatedly upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh`
`00:44.29`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03atupone * r15065 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/ (configure.ac man/Makefile.am):`
`00:44.29`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: Directory Variables should be used only on Makefile's, otherwise`
`00:44.29`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: last minute changes (during make execution) do not work`
`00:44.47`	`brlcad`	`writing good networking code is a bitch, seems simple on the surface until you realize that there is only minimal standardization at best and there are at least a half dozen error conditions that can happen randomly (that are generally recoverable in some way, but only if you account for them)`
`00:45.04`	`daxxar`	`23:59:54 <@brlcad> daxxar: -interface ;-)`
`00:45.05`	`brlcad`	`otherwise junk stalls and drops and is otherwise flaky`
`00:45.05`	`daxxar`	`brlcad: Huh?`
`00:45.15`	`brlcad`	`i saw your fix`
`00:45.24`	`daxxar`	`Ah, right. :-)`
`00:45.26`	`JeffM`	`hence why I want someone else to look over it`
`00:45.35`	`Epyon`	`daxxar :)`
`00:46.34`	`daxxar`	`Epyon: =)`
`00:47.52`	`brlcad`	`or http://gnunet.org/libmicrohttpd/ too`
`00:48.11`	`JeffM`	`the problem is, they can't do there own networking`
`00:48.20`	`JeffM`	`since this does it inline with the BZFS port`
`00:48.55`	`brlcad`	`right, but if they're small enough, you just mod them and pass over the connection after connect`
`00:49.04`	`JeffM`	`yeah maybe`
`00:49.19`	`JeffM`	`if blast and bry are right, then it's not the protocoll but a BZFS issue`
`00:49.29`	`brlcad`	`that second one looks appealing, though I didn't see if it supports windows (the first one does)`
`00:49.30`	`JeffM`	`I got the current proto stuff from an existing HTTP lib`
`00:49.32`	`JeffM`	`tinyHTTP`
`00:52.02`	`JeffM`	`I'll look into using the lib for the class I make in plugin_utils`
`00:52.11`	`JeffM`	`since I want it to be better`
`00:58.24`	`brlcad`	`ooh, microhttpd has a MHD_get_fdset() call that returns the file descriptors so you can run your own select-driven run loop`
`00:59.15`	`JeffM`	`but does it do the accept?`
`00:59.34`	`JeffM`	`we've allready got the socket level stuff done`
`00:59.49`	`JeffM`	`I have functions that get and send data.`
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`01:00.08`	`blast007`	`JeffM: the receive works fine when I use 'wget' and 'curl' from my slackware box`
`01:00.18`	`JeffM`	`wierd`
`01:00.27`	`JeffM`	`I'll have to debug a running client then, see what it gets.`
`01:00.28`	`blast007`	`wget doesn't even hang like it did on the debian box (which is where the server also resides)`
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`01:03.02`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15066 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (parser.y rules/test.set): Grammar for facegroups added.`
`01:04.34`	`brlcad`	`it's got an accept callback that you register that lets you decide whether to accept them or not, another callback for skipping over content on the stream if needed`
`01:04.52`	`JeffM`	`that woudl have to be put into BZFS then`
`01:04.55`	`brlcad`	`not clear if it'd have to modify anything, but it sure does seem to have a lot of the hooks i'd want`
`01:04.56`	`JeffM`	`not a plug-in`
`01:05.04`	`JeffM`	`lots would have to be modified`
`01:05.13`	`brlcad`	`that's only a bad thing to you :)`
`01:05.17`	`JeffM`	`plugins don't do sockets`
`01:05.45`	`JeffM`	`can probably rip out the HTTP processing tho`
`01:05.47`	`AAA_awright`	`Don't do receiving sockets?`
`01:06.02`	`JeffM`	`a plug-in can install a socket if it wants to`
`01:06.12`	`JeffM`	`but it's not part of BZFS, or handled by it's select loop`
`01:06.21`	`JeffM`	`basicly BZFS dosnt' know or care about it`
`01:06.27`	`JeffM`	`it'll be on it's own port`
`01:06.39`	`JeffM`	`if the plug-in does want to do it's own socket stuff`
`01:06.48`	`JeffM`	`in this instance I am not doing plug-in level socket stuff`
`01:07.00`	`JeffM`	`I'm doing API non player connection handling`
`01:07.02`	`AAA_awright`	`So plugins can do sockets. Putting servers on other ports is a Good Thing(tm), meteorite has done it.`
`01:07.11`	`JeffM`	`AAA_awright, sure, if they want to`
`01:07.17`	`JeffM`	`I never said they could not`
`01:07.23`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15067 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (Operation.h lexer.l parser.y rules/test.set): subdivide split into subdivideh and subdividev in the grammar for horizontal and vertical subdivisions.`
`01:07.34`	`JeffM`	`that just not part of what I'm trying to do here.`
`01:07.39`	`JeffM`	`I dont' want another port`
`01:07.41`	`AAA_awright`	`"plugins don't do sockets" Musta taken that out of some context.`
`01:07.49`	`JeffM`	`AAA_awright, it was`
`01:08.01`	`JeffM`	`he wanted a plugin to handle a socket that BZFS selected`
`01:08.05`	`JeffM`	`and accepted`
`01:08.18`	`JeffM`	`there is no API to pass the raw socket to a plug-in`
`01:08.27`	`JeffM`	`every BZFS socket stays managed by BZFS`
`01:08.35`	`JeffM`	`even if its' not a game proto conenction`
`01:08.50`	`brlcad`	`you could still make it a plugin with what i've seen, you'd just have to have the ability to pass the fdset from the plugin to bzfs`
`01:09.01`	`AAA_awright`	`Yah, exactly. Why would you want to?`
`01:09.06`	`JeffM`	`that'd be fugly`
`01:09.13`	`JeffM`	`just cus you can don't mean it's good :)`
`01:09.15`	`Epyon`	`vector<char> or vector<string> ?`
`01:09.25`	`JeffM`	`Epyon, depends what you want`
`01:09.30`	`brlcad`	`if it doesn't pass one back, or doesn't load, then you just start the connection like usual .. just bypasses the listen`
`01:09.33`	`JeffM`	`who allocates and deallocates the memory?`
`01:09.46`	`JeffM`	`brlcad, except it's not set up like that right now`
`01:10.08`	`Epyon`	`vector<string> or vector<string*> this is one question that really bugs me :)`
`01:10.08`	`JeffM`	`it manages the connetion, just passing the actual read data to an installed handler`
`01:10.12`	`brlcad`	`Epyon: if you're working with std::string's then you don't need pointer to them`
`01:10.29`	`Epyon`	`brlcad, they are fixed sized?`
`01:10.37`	`JeffM`	`Epyon, it dosn't matter`
`01:10.40`	`brlcad`	`of coruse not`
`01:10.41`	`JeffM`	`the vector handles them by ref`
`01:10.56`	`Epyon`	`I mean sizeof(string)`
`01:11.02`	`JeffM`	`so you can just do vector[i] and that returns a string ref`
`01:11.09`	`JeffM`	`string.size() :)`
`01:11.24`	`brlcad`	`yeah, you don't want the sizeof a string`
`01:11.30`	`JeffM`	`vector.size()`
`01:11.40`	`Epyon`	`nah I mean without counting the inner pointers, pure data.`
`01:11.50`	`JeffM`	`why do you care about the pure data?`
`01:12.02`	`brlcad`	`string.c_str() .. pure data`
`01:12.05`	`Epyon`	`Because I don't see a vector of variablesized data.`
`01:12.06`	`JeffM`	`yeah`
`01:12.28`	`brlcad`	`what are you actually tryihng to "do"`
`01:12.34`	`Epyon`	`the only reason vector works is that the size of the data it holds is constant per item.`
`01:12.40`	`JeffM`	`no`
`01:12.47`	`JeffM`	`vectors are way cooler then that :)`
`01:12.50`	`Epyon`	`Nah, I'm rambling now about one of the things that I still don't understand.`
`01:13.10`	`brlcad`	`sgi's stl docs are a great resource ;)`
`01:13.13`	`Epyon`	`JeffM, so why cant you vector polymorphic classes? ;]`
`01:13.23`	`JeffM`	`what is a polymorphic class?`
`01:13.29`	`Epyon`	`you can byut only by pointer`
`01:13.42`	`Epyon`	`inheritance`
`01:13.44`	`JeffM`	`ahh`
`01:13.57`	`JeffM`	`cus it has to allocate it inside the vector`
`01:14.00`	`Epyon`	`because the classes themselves have different sizes`
`01:14.07`	`Epyon`	`YES and that's what I mean.`
`01:14.13`	`JeffM`	`when you push_back, it calls a copy constrctor internaly`
`01:14.24`	`Epyon`	`It needs to allocate the same amount of memory for each item.`
`01:14.27`	`JeffM`	`and then keeps a ref list`
`01:14.30`	`JeffM`	`Epyon, nope`
`01:14.42`	`JeffM`	`think of it where the vector internaly keeps a vector of pointers FOR you`
`01:14.53`	`JeffM`	`so each item can grow itself`
`01:15.07`	`JeffM`	`it just don't know what class to call NEW on in the polymorphic case`
`01:15.22`	`brlcad`	`doesn't mean you'll necessarily know the right polymorphic type when you pull it out, but that's a different matter .. it's in there`
`01:15.29`	`Epyon`	`Hmm, so a IntVector with 20 ints actually holds 20 ints AND 20 pointers?`
`01:15.36`	`Epyon`	`Stupid as hell!`
`01:15.39`	`JeffM`	`depends on the implementation`
`01:15.50`	`brlcad`	`it's templatized, so likely no`
`01:15.53`	`JeffM`	`vectors arn't optimal for all situations`
`01:16.13`	`Epyon`	`That's what I don't like about them -- they're not clear -_-`
`01:16.20`	`JeffM`	`you have the code, go look at em`
`01:16.26`	`brlcad`	`they're pretty clear, you just don't know them yet :)`
`01:16.28`	`PeterBz`	`[quik question] Dose anyone know if you'll be able to see your textures on your map while making your map in bzworkbench? [/quik question]`
`01:16.32`	`Epyon`	`So vector<string> then?`
`01:16.35`	`brlcad`	`most of the stl is pretty straightforward`
`01:16.58`	`bryjen`	`blast007: can you try to connect to my 2.1 bzfs ?`
`01:17.00`	`JeffM`	`PeterBz, what do you mean? does the editor suport textures? or will it update a running BZFS server in real time?`
`01:17.07`	`blast007`	`bryjen: sure`
`01:17.18`	`tupone`	`Epyon? vector<string> compared too what ?`
`01:17.38`	`tupone`	`s/too/to/`
`01:17.39`	`brlcad`	`Epyon: still depends what you're trying to do...`
`01:17.50`	`Epyon`	`I need to pass a list of strings`
`01:17.57`	`JeffM`	`vector<string>`
`01:18.01`	`Epyon`	`kk`
`01:18.04`	`JeffM`	`you can load up each string as big ass you want`
`01:18.08`	`tupone`	`Epyon, it is the same, from the runtime point of view`
`01:18.09`	`JeffM`	`the vector will do it`
`01:18.18`	`JeffM`	`and you won't have to manage any memory`
`01:18.40`	`JeffM`	`if you do vector<string*> you'll have to delete the strings before the vector is destructed`
`01:18.49`	`JeffM`	`or they will dangle`
`01:18.51`	`tupone`	`you need to allocate it and pass the pointer to put in the vector. you do or the STL do it for you`
`01:18.53`	`PeterBz`	`I mean when your making you map, adding obect by object in bzworkbench, will you be able to see your textures on the objects?`
`01:19.06`	`JeffM`	`PeterBz, yes it suports textures`
`01:19.10`	`PeterBz`	`coolio`
`01:19.12`	`PeterBz`	`thanks`
`01:19.13`	`JeffM`	`that's one of it's main goals`
`01:19.18`	`Epyon`	`kk, kk`
`01:20.07`	`tupone`	`vector of std::string, at the end, will be mostly like a vector of pointers`
`01:22.17`	`JeffM`	`but you should not care in your app, since the class will take care of it for you`
`01:22.19`	`trepan`	`a note about std<vector> and other containers ... pass by reference when possible`
`01:22.32`	`JeffM`	`or they get BIG`
`01:22.33`	`bryjen`	`JeffM / brlcad : i can connect OK if i push the timeout on bzfs's select down to 0. it was set to 3. i tried 2 and 1, but they didn't help.`
`01:22.49`	`JeffM`	`bryjen, wierd`
`01:22.58`	`JeffM`	`you'd think a longer timeout woudl work better? :)`
`01:23.19`	`trepan`	`JeffM: not so much that they get big, but that all that copying will slow things down`
`01:23.22`	`blast007`	`bryjen: sorry, got sidetracked... still need me to test?`
`01:23.29`	`JeffM`	`trepan, that's what I meant`
`01:23.36`	`JeffM`	`more ram, more time copy, etc..`
`01:23.50`	`JeffM`	`more time deleting temp copies`
`01:23.53`	`bryjen`	`blast007: sure`
`01:24.14`	`trepan`	`JeffM: same thought, different color`
`01:24.23`	`blast007`	`hangs at 1000 there`
`01:24.26`	`Macrosoft`	`trepan: you wouldnt have any documentation for drawInfo laying around, would you?`
`01:24.33`	`JeffM`	`less fungshue`
`01:24.35`	`trepan`	`bzw.5 ;-)`
`01:24.42`	`blast007`	`hehe`
`01:24.59`	`blast007`	`Macrosoft: if you aren't sure what "bzw.5" is, that's the man file for bzw`
`01:25.08`	`bryjen`	`blast007: just fetching the map, or actual client joining ?`
`01:25.17`	`blast007`	`bryjen: joining the client`
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`01:27.52`	`bryjen`	`blast007: try again pls`
`01:31.20`	`Epyon`	`How can I easily delete the first character from a string?`
`01:35.07`	`Epyon`	`string.erase(0,1) :D`
`01:35.24`	`JeffM`	`string.erase(string.begin);`
`01:35.34`	`JeffM`	`well string.erase(string.begin())`
`01:36.02`	`JeffM`	`same for any vector or string`
`01:36.06`	`brlcad`	`er, just string.erase(0)`
`01:36.35`	`brlcad`	`my bad, wrong container`
`01:36.49`	`JeffM`	`yeah, need iterator IIRC`
`01:37.06`	`brlcad`	`iterator or range, either of those work`
`01:37.22`	`blast007`	`bryjen: worked`
`01:38.51`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15068 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (Operation.h globals.h parser.y): introducing OperatorMultifaces. The name may sound dumb, but it's a parent to Subdivide and Extrude and will allow handling of multiple faces.`
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`01:41.52`	`Constitution`	`Epyon: http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/661810`
`01:41.53`	`bryjen`	`i wonder if all the right Fd's or the nrFd's isn't getting set right for the select`
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`01:43.14`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03atupone * r15069 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/ (10 files in 9 dirs): INSTALL_DATA_DIR == pkgdatadir, overridable at make time`
`01:49.21`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15070 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (Operation.h parser.y): facerules now properly pack into StringVectors taking into account special rules like * and @name, and are passed ro OperatorExtrude/Subdivide`
`01:55.25`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15071 10/trunk/bzwgen/Operation.h: Added a check in OperationMultifaces against empty StringVectors that are not NULL.`
`02:01.54`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15072 10/trunk/bzwgen/Operation.h: OpSubdivide/Extrude now check wether they have facerules, if so, they store the resultant face id's and call OpMultifaces::runMesh.`
`02:08.58`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15073 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (Operation.cxx Operation.h parser.y): Darn, Multifaces also need the ruleset.`
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`02:12.57`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15074 10/trunk/bzwgen/RuleSet.cxx: Warnings for unfound rules. Maybe implement warning levels and add more of those?`
`02:14.18`	`tannerld_mac`	`heh`
`02:14.26`	`tannerld_mac`	`lots of fun gsoc work I see :)`
`02:14.41`	`Epyon`	`I have a working run xP`
`02:14.54`	`Epyon`	`But hell, it's fun ^_^`
`02:15.17`	`Epyon`	`It's 4:25 here, but I still want to finish multiface handling today...`
`02:16.34`	`tannerld_mac`	`:)`
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`02:19.45`	`Epyon`	`Oooookaaay, here goes...`
`02:20.13`	`daxxar`	`AH well`
`02:20.15`	`daxxar`	`Good night!`
`02:20.22`	`daxxar`	`~Epyon++`
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`02:26.51`	`Epyon`	`Yaaaaaaaaaaay :DDDD`
`02:27.01`	`Epyon`	`It worked at the first run :D`
`02:28.05`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15075 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (Operation.cxx Operation.h): Recursive multifacial generation on-line :D (sure it sounds wierd, but it's powerful! ^_^)`
`02:29.15`	`Epyon`	`loool : http://cia.vc/`
`02:34.03`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15076 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (Operation.cxx Operation.h): Operation.h was waaay to bloated. Moved the bigger methods into .cxx.`
`02:38.06`	`Epyon`	`Who wants a screenie?`
`02:40.17`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03bryjen * r15077 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: maxFileDescriptor doesn't need to be global, but this doesn't fix the connect issues`
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`02:53.36`	`tannerld_mac`	`Epyon: sure`
`02:53.42`	`Epyon`	`Constitution, what's up with the test server?`
`02:54.39`	`Constitution`	`Epyon: bzwgen won't compile`
`02:55.53`	`Constitution`	`http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/661869`
`02:56.23`	`brlcad`	`looks like a file missing from the makefile`
`02:56.26`	`brlcad`	`make sure they're all there`
`02:56.52`	`Epyon`	`Constitution, I'll fix that`
`03:03.36`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15078 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (BuildZone.cxx bzwgen.cxx rules/test.set): Enhanced a little the text.set file. The real hardcore will come tommorow (and once I get more textures xP`
`03:04.50`	`tannerld_mac`	`O.o`
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`03:07.06`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15079 10/trunk/bzwgen/Makefile: Makefile update`
`03:07.07`	`Epyon`	`Constitution, try now.`
`03:07.30`	`Constitution`	`Zone.h: In constructor ?Zone::Zone(Generator*, Coord2D, Coord2D, int)?:`
`03:07.30`	`Constitution`	`Zone.h:27: warning: ?Zone::generator? will be initialized after`
`03:07.46`	`Constitution`	`Zone.h:26: warning: ?Coord2D Zone::A?`
`03:08.11`	`Epyon`	`O.o?`
`03:08.23`	`Epyon`	`brlcad, any tip on that?`
`03:08.38`	`DTRemenak`	`gcc requires initialization in the same order as declaration`
`03:09.07`	`Epyon`	`err?`
`03:09.17`	`Epyon`	`Zone(Generator* _generator, Coord2D a, Coord2D b, int astep) : generator(_generator), A(a), B(b), step(astep) {};`
`03:09.21`	`Epyon`	`But it is!`
`03:09.30`	`DTRemenak`	`no, it's not`
`03:09.48`	`DTRemenak`	`class Zone { protected: Coord2 A,B; Generator* generator; int step;...`
`03:09.55`	`DTRemenak`	`A, B, generator, step`
`03:10.02`	`Epyon`	`Aaaah, that one!`
`03:10.09`	`DTRemenak`	`you're initializing generator, A, B, step`
`03:10.25`	`DTRemenak`	`so you need to move the generator initialization so it matches the order of declaration`
`03:10.29`	`Epyon`	`so I need to move generator above o`
`03:10.38`	`DTRemenak`	`or the declaration so it matches the initialization`
`03:10.52`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15080 10/trunk/bzwgen/Zone.h: GCC warning fix.`
`03:11.42`	`Constitution`	`http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/661880`
`03:11.46`	`Epyon`	`DTRemenak, look : http://cia.vc/ :P`
`03:12.07`	`DTRemenak`	`that wasn't terribly unusual around three years ago, Epyon :P`
`03:12.31`	`DTRemenak`	`our average-between-messages is 3.1 hours now...used to be 0.4 hours or so`
`03:12.31`	`Epyon`	`:D Ok, now what about those warnings?`
`03:13.16`	`DTRemenak`	`mmm, fun`
`03:13.56`	`Epyon`	`printf("Warning : rule '%s' not found!",rulename.);`
`03:13.58`	`DTRemenak`	`need a .c_str()`
`03:14.03`	`Epyon`	`rulename is a ...`
`03:14.05`	`Epyon`	`aaah, ok`
`03:14.09`	`DTRemenak`	`can't pass a std::string through to printf`
`03:14.33`	`DTRemenak`	`(you're also missing a \n on that line)`
`03:14.47`	`Epyon`	`printf("Warning : rule '%s' not found!\n",rulename.c_str());`
`03:14.49`	`Epyon`	`ok?`
`03:14.52`	`DTRemenak`	`sure`
`03:15.14`	`DTRemenak`	`not really sure why you prefer printf to cout though ;)`
`03:15.24`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15081 10/trunk/bzwgen/RuleSet.cxx: Yet Another GCC warning fix.`
`03:15.40`	`DTRemenak`	`I'd write it as std::cout << "Warning : rule '" << rulename << "'not found!" << std::endl;`
`03:15.53`	`DTRemenak`	`but that's a style thing`
`03:16.12`	`Epyon`	`probably. I'll think about style tommorow :)`
`03:16.17`	`Epyon`	`Constitution, try now.`
`03:16.19`	`Constitution`	`http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/661882`
`03:17.52`	`bryjen`	`DTRemenak: i've short-circuited bzfs's select() by setting the timeout to 0, and that seems to fix my connect problems`
`03:18.05`	`DTRemenak`	`interesting`
`03:18.26`	`DTRemenak`	`'course I have no clue what that implies is actually wrong :)`
`03:18.58`	`bryjen`	`my next guess is that the fd the client is on is not in the sets properly to triger the select to return otherwise`
`03:19.25`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15082 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (Operation.cxx Operation.h RuleSet.cxx): More and more GCC warning fun.`
`03:19.35`	`Epyon`	`Constitution, again :D`
`03:20.00`	`KentuckyBigFoot`	`bzflag2 looks awesome :D`
`03:21.11`	`Epyon`	`DTRemenak, it was a warning that forced me :)`
`03:21.26`	`Epyon`	`And it looked tidier than typecasting :)`
`03:21.27`	`bryjen`	`the code all looks reasonable, but i don't know if it's really correct :/`
`03:21.30`	`DTRemenak`	`good habit to get into in general`
`03:21.47`	`DTRemenak`	`though I tend to prefer iterators where they work`
`03:22.17`	`Epyon`	`DTRemenak, but I'd suggest to drop -Werror from the makefile. I'll fix all the GCC errors, but for sake of the development server it would be better that it at least compiles.`
`03:23.03`	`Epyon`	`http://chaosforge.org/bzfi0007.png`
`03:23.25`	`DTRemenak`	`mm, slick`
`03:23.27`	`tannerld_mac`	`Epyon: pretty`
`03:23.28`	`Epyon`	`http://chaosforge.org/bzfi0009.png`
`03:23.42`	`Epyon`	`http://chaosforge.org/bzfi0010.png`
`03:24.28`	`Epyon`	`:)`
`03:25.23`	`Epyon`	`tannerld_mac, today I made the biggest step, now every day will bring visual improvement :D`
`03:25.43`	`tannerld_mac`	`"One small step for man, one small step for mankind"`
`03:28.16`	`Constitution`	`Epyon: http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/661886`
`03:28.44`	`Epyon`	`DTRemenak, what about my -Werror question?`
`03:29.45`	`DTRemenak`	`Epyon: personally I'd prefer that it be left on. if the purpose of turning it off is to let the automated builds proceed, turn it off on that machine (edit the makefile locally), and consider setting up some system by which you can retreive the build logs from it`
`03:29.50`	`Epyon`	`Constitution, now this one is wierd o.O`
`03:31.24`	`Epyon`	`DTRemenak, help, this one seems illogical, no matter how hard I look :?`
`03:31.39`	`DTRemenak`	`I'm looking...doesn't seem to make sense just yet`
`03:31.48`	`Constitution`	`or maybe "make clean" will help :-P`
`03:31.55`	`Epyon`	`Constitution, try :)`
`03:31.56`	`Constitution`	`erm, or maybe not`
`03:32.13`	`Constitution`	`yep, same error after make clean`
`03:32.25`	`Epyon`	`g++ -o bzwgen BuildZone.o FloorZone.o Generator.o GridGenerator.o GridMap.o Material.o Rule.o RuleSet.o Operation.o Material.o Mesh.o OSFile.o TextUtils.o commandArgs.o parser.o lexer.o bzwgen.o -g -O0 -Wall -Werror -pedantic -ansi -lm`
`03:32.32`	`Epyon`	`look Material.o is twice`
`03:32.39`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah`
`03:32.41`	`Epyon`	`yep`
`03:32.47`	`Epyon`	`it's twice in the makefile :)`
`03:32.52`	`DTRemenak`	`is it?`
`03:33.08`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15083 10/trunk/bzwgen/Makefile: Makefile fixed.`
`03:33.15`	`DTRemenak`	`ah, there 'tis`
`03:33.27`	`Epyon`	`Constitution, now it should work finally :D`
`03:33.37`	`Constitution`	`yep, there it is`
`03:33.39`	`Epyon`	`unless we have some parser error fun xP`
`03:34.33`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15084 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/plugin_utils/ (plugin_HTTP.cpp plugin_HTTP.h): nearly a complete generic http server base class`
`03:34.59`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r15085 10/trunk/bzwgen/Makefile: alphabetize file list`
`03:35.33`	`DTRemenak`	`there, now you shouldn't have a problem like that again :)`
`03:36.14`	`bryjen`	`ok, the fdset is passed to addClient() and the new client's fd is added to the set in there. but the set is zeroed again at the start of the next loop. unless this NetConnectedPeer stuff is supposed to be handling it now and addClient's fd_set is cruft.`
`03:36.40`	`bryjen`	`argh, and Jeff just disconnected.`
`03:36.47`	`Epyon`	`thanks DTRemenak`
`03:37.23`	`DTRemenak`	`bryjen: he'll likely be back in around 20 minutes`
`03:37.34`	`DTRemenak`	`unless he decided to go see a movie or something`
`03:37.47`	`Epyon`	`Yeah, server up :D`
`03:44.40`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15086 10/trunk/bzwgen/BuildZone.cxx: Zero level buildings had a bad inside point and happened too often. Fixed.`
`03:45.03`	`Epyon`	`Constitution, fixed. Recompile and rerun the server as soon as you can.`
`03:47.49`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15087 10/trunk/bzwgen/rules/test.set: Tweaked the rarity, again.`
`03:48.40`	`DTRemenak`	`Epyon: fwiw, one of the side effects of writing your own grammar for rules is that it must be documented in human-readable form`
`03:48.43`	`DTRemenak`	`not sure if anyone had pointed that out yet (if not, consider it pointed out). doesn't need to be done immediately but it does need to be done.`
`03:49.24`	`Epyon`	`DTRemenak, will you agree that I do it after the 20th deadline? I kinda wouldn't want to waste time for that :/`
`03:49.44`	`Epyon`	`As for documentation you'll find it in detail in my msc thesis anyway xP`
`03:49.45`	`DTRemenak`	`sure, as long as it gets done before I fill out my eval :)`
`03:50.32`	`DTRemenak`	`hey, that works too, if you're willing to check it in :P`
`03:51.13`	`Epyon`	`It wont be ready till the 30th-5th, but you'll get your hand on it no worries.`
`03:51.24`	`Epyon`	`But I'll try to submit the doc part earlier.`
`03:51.41`	`Epyon`	`Truth to be said, I havn't started it xP`
`03:51.42`	`DTRemenak`	`thanks :)`
`03:51.52`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah, that's kinda what I figured`
`03:52.27`	`Epyon`	`But already I see the grammar's powerful. Added 10 lines, and suddenly I have variation in the buildings.`
`03:52.36`	`DTRemenak`	`that's one reason I wanted to make clear that it's not just "nice to have", it's a requirement ;)`
`03:52.49`	`Epyon`	`http://chaosforge.org/bzfi0010.png`
`03:52.59`	`Epyon`	`Look at the building on the right`
`03:53.12`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah, I noticed that`
`03:53.23`	`DTRemenak`	`actually that was the building that made me go look at the rulesets`
`03:53.31`	`Epyon`	`Two rules, and suddenly we have more than boxes.`
`03:53.46`	`DTRemenak`	`it's very cool :)`
`03:54.24`	`Epyon`	`When I add partition tommorow, and non-square faces the day after it will skyrocket xP`
`03:55.00`	`DTRemenak`	`how is the collision stuff working for you? are your meshes getting "sticky"?`
`03:55.01`	`Epyon`	`I have a big todo list, but I guess I wont be able to implement all in the SoC timeline, so I left some things for afters.`
`03:55.18`	`Epyon`	`DTRemenak, it's ok as for now.`
`03:55.23`	`DTRemenak`	`cool`
`03:55.44`	`DTRemenak`	`it's not a problem if they do, it's bzflag's bug not yours :) just wondering if you'd run into it yet`
`03:55.45`	`Epyon`	`Epyon, mainly because I took care for the meshes to be "proper" :)`
`03:56.02`	`DTRemenak`	`talking to yourself now, eh? :)`
`03:56.34`	`Epyon`	`Yeah, I don't know if you read that blog post of mine about reality vs. academics :/`
`03:57.35`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03bryjen * r15088 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/fastmap/: svn:ignores`
`03:57.40`	`DTRemenak`	`I saw you mentioned it, but I, er, misplaced your blog address`
`03:58.05`	`Epyon`	`~bzwgen`
`03:58.06`	`ibot`	`somebody said bzwgen was a random procedural world generator created by Epyon as a GSoC project, or http://bzflag.chaosforge.org`
`03:58.18`	`DTRemenak`	`ahh, that's it :)`
`03:58.42`	`DTRemenak`	`heh, yeah, that's the post after the last one I remember reading :)`
`03:59.21`	`Epyon`	`I'm writing another one now xP`
`04:00.06`	`DTRemenak`	`and it's not an inferior algorithm if it produces results that are useful as opposed to unuseful ;)`
`04:00.26`	`DTRemenak`	`useful algorithms are inherintly superior to non-useful ones :)`
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`04:01.19`	`DTRemenak`	`but that is a trend I've noticed. most papers are about getting correct and interesting results, not necessarily useful results`
`04:01.33`	`Epyon`	`Well depends on what FOR it should be useful.`
`04:01.58`	`Epyon`	`If for visualisation, animation, they're far superior.`
`04:02.24`	`DTRemenak`	`right. but not for a game...lack of coldet is kind of, y'know, a deal breaker`
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`04:02.41`	`Epyon`	`It is useful for example in animation or movie industry. Just no one of the academics cares about games :/`
`04:02.46`	`Epyon`	`Ello, L4m3r :D`
`04:02.50`	`DTRemenak`	`their loss :D`
`04:02.57`	`Epyon`	`Our win ^_^`
`04:03.01`	`DTRemenak`	`woot`
`04:03.29`	`L4m3r`	`evening, Epyon`
`04:03.30`	`DTRemenak`	`might be something to emphasize in your own paper even...that your algorithms can do something the others just can't do`
`04:03.56`	`Epyon`	`DTRemenak, the whole paper will be evolved around this idea.`
`04:04.10`	`DTRemenak`	`cool`
`04:04.23`	`Epyon`	`Basically how to turn academics into reality. And I'll have a reality working model to show :D`
`04:04.29`	`DTRemenak`	`yup :)`
`04:04.42`	`Epyon`	`Nope`
`04:04.54`	`Epyon`	`But it's more "serious". xP`
`04:05.07`	`DTRemenak`	`it's always tended to be more bleeding-edge`
`04:05.17`	`bryjen`	`ah, then call them 'simulations' instead ;)`
`04:05.20`	`DTRemenak`	`games have traditionally had to scale down "real" sim techniques`
`04:05.24`	`L4m3r`	`I would think that movies/animation are more lucrative per head than games are`
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`04:05.41`	`DTRemenak`	`but PC power is really getting to where that's not such a huge deal anymore`
`04:05.45`	`L4m3r`	`major game development usually takes a LOT of code monkeys :)`
`04:06.21`	`L4m3r`	`at least it's not... uh, nevermind`
`04:06.42`	`DTRemenak`	`pft, I wouldn't have intercepted it if it was :P`
`04:07.09`	`L4m3r`	`tomorrow is gonna be FUN >_<`
`04:08.13`	`L4m3r`	`breakfast is our last meal... of the entire summer. Basically, once 9AM rolls around, the entire staff is gonna be cleaning every nook, cranny, and tile gap.`
`04:08.15`	`Epyon`	`Oh yeah :D`
`04:08.32`	`Epyon`	`xP`
`04:09.31`	`L4m3r`	`The night crew is coming at 9:30am, also... we're gonna have an army of people there working`
`04:10.00`	`bryjen`	`fixing things shouldn't be _un_fortunate. unless once it's working again, you remember why you broke it ;)`
`04:10.36`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah, I suspect it was a stray word, or freudian slip :)`
`04:11.13`	`Epyon`	`Ok, blog updated http://bzflag.chaosforge.org/ :D`
`04:12.22`	`DTRemenak`	`cool :)`
`04:14.20`	`Epyon`	`L4m3r, I'd be honoured :D`
`04:15.02`	`Epyon`	`LOL : Question 8: How much time have you spent working on your SoC project since the midterm evaluation, on average?`
`04:16.13`	`Epyon`	`A. 0 - 5 hours per week`
`04:16.13`	`Epyon`	`B. 6 - 10 hours per week`
`04:16.13`	`Epyon`	`C. 10 - 15 hours per week`
`04:16.13`	`Epyon`	`D. More than 15 hours per week`
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`04:17.07`	`delusional_`	`all the commits overloaded the system`
`04:17.07`	`Epyon`	`delusional_ :D`
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`04:17.30`	`Epyon`	`Yeah, there were quite a few today :D`
`04:17.30`	`Epyon`	`DTRemenak, you're alive xP`
`04:17.30`	`blast007_`	`yeah, it was all me`
`04:17.30`	`DTRemenak`	`yeehaw`
`04:17.44`	`Epyon`	`delusional_, we're 2nd on http://cia.vc/ today xP`
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`04:18.05`	`delusional_`	`who's #1?`
`04:18.05`	`DTRemenak`	`KDE`
`04:18.16`	`DTRemenak`	`as usual`
`04:18.24`	`Epyon`	`But I'm #1 in commits xP`
`04:18.51`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`04:18.51`	`DTRemenak`	`http://cia.vc/stats/author/Burlex/.message/29079`
`04:18.54`	`DTRemenak`	`"Received 558s in the future"`
`04:19.03`	`Epyon`	`And I'll bet that after I wake up, I'll be near the top again ;]`
`04:20.02`	`Epyon`	`O.o`
`04:20.18`	`Epyon`	`Faster than his CIA...`
`04:21.01`	`delusional_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:21.04`	`blast007`	`that's not fair! he's coding inside a time dilation field!`
`04:25.11`	`Epyon`	`Hmm, so for tommorow...`
`04:26.10`	`Epyon`	`I think I'll add partitioning, get some textures, add attributes, and start working on non-quad shapes.`
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`04:28.31`	`Epyon`	`Constitution, ping?`
`04:28.38`	`Epyon`	`JeffM, we missed you ;]`
`04:28.44`	`DTRemenak`	`bryjen: you still around?`
`04:29.02`	`JeffM`	`huh?`
`04:29.17`	`bryjen`	`yeah`
`04:29.25`	`Epyon`	`Ok just kiddin ^^`
`04:29.44`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM: <bryjen> ok, the fdset is passed to addClient() and the new client's fd is added to the set in there. but the set is zeroed again at the start of the next loop. unless this NetConnectedPeer stuff is supposed to be handling it now and addClient's fd_set is cruft.`
`04:30.17`	`bryjen`	`ah, JeffM's back`
`04:30.20`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah`
`04:30.25`	`JeffM`	`I just got home`
`04:30.37`	`JeffM`	`everyone is a net connected peer`
`04:30.51`	`Epyon`	`"Connection reset by beer"`
`04:30.52`	`JeffM`	`it shoudl be reset each loop from the current peers list`
`04:32.22`	`bryjen`	`i figured since shorting-out select() with a zero timeout makes it return right away and seems to fix the connect problem, that maybe the fd that should be triggering the return isn't getting into the fdset`
`04:32.40`	`JeffM`	`let me review it, it's been "a while"`
`04:33.02`	`bryjen`	`but that's mostly SWAG`
`04:39.28`	`JeffM`	`ok`
`04:39.49`	`JeffM`	`the nethandler keeps a satic list of pointers to NetworkHandlers`
`04:40.07`	`JeffM`	`on accept when the NetHAndler is constructed it's this pointer is added to the list of active network connections`
`04:40.51`	`JeffM`	`then in bzfs before each select, NetHandler::setFD is called`
`04:41.11`	`JeffM`	`that adds all of them to the set`
`04:41.16`	`JeffM`	`then that set is used for select`
`04:41.22`	`JeffM`	`so they should all be part of the set`
`04:41.39`	`JeffM`	`if a handler is killed after the select, it gets removed from the list, and not added next loop`
`04:42.17`	`JeffM`	`and every net connected peer has a nethandler, so that's all players and all non client connected peers`
`04:43.32`	`JeffM`	`does that make sense`
`04:43.44`	`JeffM`	`I worked like 11 hours today so I'm somewhat frazzled`
`04:44.41`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15089 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (BuildZone.cxx rules/test.set): Another fix for the inside points and for top material of one of the generation results.`
`04:44.59`	`Epyon`	`I should go to sleep and not debug -_-`
`04:45.28`	`Epyon`	`JeffM, the grammars online, it misses a few operations but it works.`
`04:45.40`	`JeffM`	`Epyon, fun`
`04:45.49`	`Epyon`	`Took two days to implement, but adding more rules now is realy easy.`
`04:46.00`	`bryjen`	`description makes sense. just trying to find where the nethandler is created in the code...`
`04:46.01`	`JeffM`	`neat`
`04:46.39`	`JeffM`	`bryjen, in bzfs.cxx`
`04:46.41`	`JeffM`	`accept cleint`
`04:47.01`	`JeffM`	`the "handle" in the peer class is a new NetHandler`
`04:47.37`	`bryjen`	`yeah, im in the right file :P ahh, peer.handler = new NetHandler(clientAddr, fd);`
`04:47.41`	`JeffM`	`it's right below a comment that says // they arn't a player yet til they send us the conenction string`
`04:47.42`	`JeffM`	`yeah`
`04:47.54`	`JeffM`	`it's odd that the constructior adds it to a static list`
`04:47.58`	`JeffM`	`that took me some time to get`
`04:48.20`	`JeffM`	`that mechanism is old, I did not change that part of it`
`04:48.31`	`JeffM`	`I just moved where the pointer to the thing was held`
`04:48.49`	`JeffM`	`well, mostly just tacked some extra data around it in the peer class`
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`04:52.05`	`Epyon`	`Constitution, ping?`
`04:52.46`	`Epyon`	`Last beer and a Spider Solitare, and I'm off to sleep -_-`
`05:00.48`	`bryjen`	`unholy carp!`
`05:01.05`	`bryjen`	`can anyone try connecting a 2.1 client to bryjen.bzflag.org:5155`
`05:01.38`	`blast007`	`sure`
`05:01.54`	`JeffM`	`that bad?`
`05:02.17`	`bryjen`	`no, good, hopefully.`
`05:02.27`	`JeffM`	`DTRemenak, you woulda been proud of me tonight`
`05:02.30`	`blast007`	`eh, kicked for not using UDP :/`
`05:02.33`	`DTRemenak`	`oh?`
`05:02.40`	`JeffM`	`whilst waiting for a regression to run`
`05:03.00`	`JeffM`	`I tried to adapth the light gun base station to run off an old external ZIP drive power supply :)`
`05:03.04`	`blast007`	`bryjen: works`
`05:03.12`	`DTRemenak`	`haha, cool :)`
`05:03.25`	`JeffM`	`it didn't work on the 5v. tho :(`
`05:03.28`	`JeffM`	`it wants 6`
`05:03.36`	`DTRemenak`	`ah`
`05:05.43`	`JeffM`	`man,really need to put a ring around that X for no shoot don't I`
`05:06.42`	`Epyon`	`Ok, I need a linux person having the trunk 2.0.x bzfs badly!`
`05:06.58`	`Epyon`	`Seems as there's something wrong with the ruleset parsing`
`05:07.22`	`Epyon`	`DTRemenak, you're running Windows or Linux?`
`05:07.34`	`DTRemenak`	`windows at the moment`
`05:07.39`	`Epyon`	`darn`
`05:08.09`	`Epyon`	`There seems to be a problem on Constitution's server -- it doesn't generate the grammar based buildings :/`
`05:08.30`	`Epyon`	`And I don't know if it's due to a lack of some update or something else ;?`
`05:08.33`	`JeffM`	`bryjen, what did you change?`
`05:09.32`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03bryjen * r15090 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: don't fiddle with the fdset in acceptClient. it's handled elsewhere, and doing it here seems to cause problems`
`05:09.39`	`bryjen`	`that`
`05:11.24`	`JeffM`	`yeah maybe it was geting zeroed before the select`
`05:11.27`	`JeffM`	`and not geting redone`
`05:11.30`	`JeffM`	`makes sense`
`05:11.34`	`JeffM`	`and as long as it works`
`05:11.40`	`JeffM`	`does fastmap work any better with that?`
`05:12.23`	`blast007`	`fastmap worked! wooo!`
`05:12.41`	`bryjen`	`a-yup`
`05:12.42`	`blast007`	`now it only spawns did`
`05:12.44`	`blast007`	`if*`
`05:12.57`	`blast007`	`Warning: DefaultSpawnPolicy ran out of time, just dropping the sucker in`
`05:12.58`	`blast007`	`;)`
`05:13.54`	`JeffM`	`cool`
`05:13.57`	`JeffM`	`is it faster?`
`05:14.55`	`blast007`	`hellz yeah`
`05:15.05`	`blast007`	`FastMap: 155.948242 kbytes transfered in 1.747051 seconds (89.263703kbps)`
`05:15.07`	`bryjen`	`blast007: try using -spawnpolicy random instead of default. or dangerous if your feeling mean ;)`
`05:15.15`	`blast007`	`k`
`05:16.00`	`bryjen`	`don't think that fixes flags-on-buildings. and doesn't truely "fix" the default policy borkage`
`05:16.33`	`AAA_awright`	`s/your/you're=you are/`
`05:17.10`	`blast007`	`:/`
`05:17.10`	`blast007`	`Warning: RandomSpawnPolicy ran out of time, just dropping the sucker in`
`05:17.18`	`AAA_awright`	`Ha ha, sucker mode`
`05:17.44`	`blast007`	`I get killed by the server on 90% of the spawns`
`05:17.52`	`blast007`	`and then when driving around`
`05:18.21`	`AAA_awright`	`World weapons? Don't tread on the yellow squares on fridays?`
`05:18.29`	`bryjen`	`at least you can get connected to be kicked ;)`
`05:18.41`	`blast007`	`I could before, without fastmap ;)`
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`05:19.13`	`blast007`	`cool, just crashed bzfs by pressing tab a lot`
`05:19.15`	`blast007`	`er, bzflag`
`05:24.14`	`bryjen`	`runs a hella lot better on the gf6800 than the i965 ;)`
`05:25.43`	`JeffM`	`how big is that world?`
`05:26.41`	`bryjen`	`serveral megs uncompressed .bzw, 1.something in the binary format`
`05:28.16`	`bryjen`	`27 textual, 1.3M binary`
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`05:29.17`	`JeffM`	`can I get 2 people to join the borg cube map, one on gree team one on not green?`
`05:32.18`	`blast007`	`gah, tab completion is broken :)`
`05:32.22`	`blast007`	`crashy crashy`
`05:36.58`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15091 10/trunk/bzflag/ (include/OpenGLUtils.h src/bzflag/effectsRenderer.cxx): make the radcon be globaltastic`
`05:37.45`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15092 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/ (HUDRenderer.cxx HUDRenderer.h): use lists and render a nice universal "NO" sign over the hud marker for teammates that we should not shoot`
`05:38.10`	`bryjen`	`what about teammates that need to be shot? ;)`
`05:38.24`	`JeffM`	`they don't get the no :)`
`05:38.53`	`JeffM`	`could get funny and put a marker icon on the hunt target :)`
`05:38.58`	`JeffM`	`giant wang :)`
`05:44.10`	`orthox`	`why would anyone need an oversized typewriter?`
`05:44.51`	`blast007`	`to throw at the interns`
`05:45.02`	`orthox`	`ah, now it makes sense`
`05:56.10`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15093 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/httpTest/httpTest.cpp: convert to use the new lib http server base class`
`05:57.07`	`JeffM`	`that should be fun to test`
`05:58.42`	`Constitution`	`Epyon, the server updates svn and recompiles every four hours`
`06:00.12`	`a_meteorite`	`Constitution: sounds lagtastic for the VPS`
`06:00.40`	`Constitution`	`an update every four hours? :-P`
`06:00.47`	`a_meteorite`	`yeah`
`06:01.09`	`Constitution`	`you're joking, right?`
`06:02.53`	`Constitution`	`Epyon: anyway, just did a manual update... new changes will be reflected on the four-hour schedule in the future`
`06:03.42`	`Epyon`	`Constitution, are there any errors while you run it?`
`06:03.49`	`Epyon`	`parse error or syntax error?`
`06:06.29`	`Epyon`	`Constitution, because apparently he doesn't create any of the grammar based buildings (all are flat)`
`06:07.01`	`Constitution`	`erm, dunno... it's scripted... lemme try`
`06:07.14`	`Constitution`	`hmm, looks good`
`06:07.34`	`Epyon`	`Loading xxx... done?`
`06:07.43`	`Constitution`	`Loading rules/test.set... done.`
`06:07.50`	`Constitution`	`Initializing... done.`
`06:07.50`	`Constitution`	`Parsing options... done.`
`06:07.50`	`Constitution`	`Generating... done.`
`06:07.50`	`Constitution`	`Outputing... done.`
`06:08.10`	`Epyon`	`check rules/test.set -> is it non-empty?`
`06:08.28`	`Constitution`	`yep, non-empty`
`06:08.49`	`Epyon`	`Is the current server running updated, or is it the one from before a few hours?`
`06:09.54`	`Constitution`	`appears to be updated`
`06:10.00`	`Constitution`	`-rw-r--r-- 1 const const 1.1M 2007-08-18 06:06 /bzflag/servers/fairserve/epyon/test_converted.bzw`
`06:10.18`	`Epyon`	`converted? o.O`
`06:10.38`	`Constitution`	`it changes the texture references to point to the appropriate urls`
`06:10.46`	`Epyon`	`ah`
`06:10.50`	`Constitution`	`and copies the textures to the web directory`
`06:11.30`	`Constitution`	`which is http://fairserve.bzflag.org/bzimages/bzwgen/`
`06:11.37`	`Epyon`	`hmm, because apparently when I logged in 5-10 minutes ago all those flat spaces are the ones that the grammar based buildings should be.`
`06:11.57`	`Constitution`	`might have been before my change... try one more time?`
`06:12.17`	`Epyon`	`Error connecting to server`
`06:12.41`	`Constitution`	`oops, try now`
`06:13.33`	`Epyon`	`Again o.O`
`06:13.41`	`Epyon`	`See those flat areas?`
`06:13.43`	`Constitution`	`yeah`
`06:13.53`	`Epyon`	`Those are failures of the generator.`
`06:13.56`	`Epyon`	`Damn.`
`06:14.11`	`Constitution`	`hm`
`06:15.23`	`Epyon`	`I'll add a few debug messages.`
`06:16.01`	`Constitution`	`I need to go for now`
`06:16.20`	`Epyon`	`Constitution, ok we'll hunt it down tommorow`
`06:16.53`	`Epyon`	`I... need... sleeeeeep...`
`06:17.04`	`Epyon`	`Nighty night all...`
`06:21.38`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15094 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (bzwgen.cxx lexer.l): Possible fix for the Linux based parser proble. We'll see tommorow. Good night!`
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`13:22.31`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03atupone * r15099 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/ (configure.ac m4/sdl.m4):`
`13:22.31`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: Use the new API for AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE`
`13:22.31`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: AC_CANONICAL_TARGET is to build cross-factory.`
`13:22.31`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: Remove it, as we are not, and update sdl.m4 that was using it.`
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`13:45.17`	`djpenguin`	`hey guys`
`13:49.48`	`donny_baker`	`hi`
`14:51.01`	`tannerld`	`eheh`
`14:51.43`	`tannerld`	`on the test server for epyon, the buildings are REALLY short`
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`15:27.41`	`delusional_`	`you know.. the cheat blogs are all linking to the wall of shame`
`15:28.00`	`delusional_`	`I'm thinking theres something we can do to piss them off there`
`15:28.26`	`ruskie`	`like?`
`15:29.17`	`[dmp]`	`delusional_: If you want to fight them, down at their level, they'll win by experience. :-)`
`15:29.39`	`delusional_`	`oh cripe.. wrong channel, but you're right`
`15:31.23`	`delusional_`	`.. anyway.. spoogebob spermpants has made a return in the last week or so, sometimes using "rottencrotch"`
`15:32.01`	`delusional_`	`cant ban all comcast users from minnesota.`
`15:32.14`	`delusional_`	`so he's gonna be a recurring nightmare`
`15:36.55`	`delusional_`	`best thing to do is filter his callsigns as they appear`
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`15:54.47`	`eTangenT`	`stupid lamers. spoogebob, axl, and the like.`
`15:55.51`	`ruskie`	`lol`
`15:56.00`	`ruskie`	`afaik axl is just annoying... not much else`
`15:56.05`	`ruskie`	`atleast in my experience`
`15:59.39`	`SpazzyMcGee`	`Axl rose?`
`15:59.46`	`SpazzyMcGee`	`Attention seeker.`
`15:59.51`	`ruskie`	`yeah`
`16:00.01`	`ruskie`	`always keeps going after own team flag on viper...`
`16:00.17`	`ruskie`	`real funny watching him try to jump up on the cake and just as he reaches the flag /kill him :)`
`16:00.25`	`SpazzyMcGee`	`At PM we ban him on sight, just 'cause he's more trouble than it's worth.`
`16:00.39`	`ruskie`	`ehhh`
`16:00.44`	`ruskie`	`even cops need some fun :)`
`16:01.00`	`ruskie`	`best way to get rid of a cheater... /mute and /kill... they leave on their own :)`
`16:01.01`	`SpazzyMcGee`	`hehe`
`16:01.17`	`SpazzyMcGee`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:01.46`	`ruskie`	`don't think I have such perms on viper`
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`16:10.01`	`eTangenT`	`SpazzyMcGee: Haha. Or B, or RC.`
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`16:16.57`	`Epyon`	`Morning all ^_^`
`16:19.11`	`tannerld`	`mourning`
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`16:39.07`	`Epyon`	`Announcement : I'll need someone with linux and trunk bzfs 2.0.x to hunt down a linux specific error in bzwgen`
`16:59.18`	`ruskie`	`Epyon, hmmm I could possibly help with that`
`17:15.06`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15100 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (Rule.cxx Rule.h RuleSet.cxx RuleSet.h bzwgen.cxx globals.h): Added debugLevel global, and a couple of warning/debug messages.`
`17:15.09`	`Epyon`	`ruskie, could you?`
`17:16.01`	`Epyon`	`ruskie, basically checkout the current bzwgen, compile it and run and tell me what output messages it produced.`
`17:19.42`	`ruskie`	`k`
`17:19.48`	`ruskie`	`gimme a svn url tohugh`
`17:20.03`	`Epyon`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:20.04`	`Thumper_`	`Epyon: I can try that too`
`17:20.10`	`Epyon`	`Would be nice :)`
`17:20.19`	`ruskie`	`erm http://what? svn://what?`
`17:20.43`	`Epyon`	`ruskie, I also never know that :/`
`17:21.02`	`Thumper_`	`Epyon: any runtime params for bwgen ?`
`17:21.05`	`tannerld`	`Epyon: http://pastebin.ca/662376`
`17:21.13`	`Epyon`	`http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/bzflag/trunk/bzwgen I think`
`17:21.30`	`Thumper_`	`yup that's what I get (from tannerld's link)`
`17:21.37`	`Epyon`	`tannerld, running linux?`
`17:21.41`	`tannerld`	`Epyon: yep`
`17:21.44`	`Thumper_`	`me2`
`17:22.04`	`Epyon`	`Ok, then run and connect to the server and see if you have "flat buildings" everywhere`
`17:22.17`	`ruskie`	`http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzwgen <-- to be precise`
`17:22.17`	`tannerld`	`k`
`17:22.30`	`Epyon`	`copy the textures though :)`
`17:22.44`	`Epyon`	`into the main folder or you'll be white all around :P`
`17:22.49`	`tannerld`	`lol`
`17:22.53`	`tannerld`	`nope - no white buildings`
`17:22.59`	`tannerld`	`err..`
`17:23.02`	`tannerld`	`s/white/flat`
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`17:23.51`	`Epyon`	`tannerId, connect to the fairserve test server to see what I mean. (it has flat all around)`
`17:23.54`	`ruskie`	`parser.cxx:1530: warning: deprecated conversion from string constant to ‘char*’`
`17:23.57`	`ruskie`	`parser.cxx:1676: warning: deprecated conversion from string constant to ‘char*’`
`17:24.02`	`Epyon`	`So I know that you don't have that problem.`
`17:24.04`	`tannerld`	`Epyon: yeah - saw that earlier today`
`17:24.44`	`Epyon`	`tannerld, so you don't have that and you're running linux, right?`
`17:25.27`	`tannerld`	`yep`
`17:26.11`	`Thumper_`	`Epyon: bzflag.norang.ca:5154`
`17:26.17`	`Epyon`	`Ok, so I think I nailed the problem :D`
`17:27.06`	`ruskie`	`no flat here as well`
`17:28.34`	`tannerld`	`Epyon: I guess these folks are remodeling: http://i18.tinypic.com/4yz1nnm.png`
`17:31.05`	`Epyon`	`tannerld, I was just testing if more advanced geo can be created, that's ok :)`
`17:31.17`	`Epyon`	`Ok, so the general outcome is:`
`17:31.36`	`Epyon`	`1) either Constitution didn't upgrade the server after the last fix`
`17:31.52`	`Epyon`	`2) the server doesn't have access to the rules directory`
`17:32.06`	`Epyon`	`Anyway, I think the problem's solved :)`
`17:32.19`	`Epyon`	`Thanks a lot, guys :)`
`17:32.30`	`tannerld`	`no problemo`
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`17:45.44`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15101 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (TODO bzwgen.cxx): Removed the TODO list from bzwgen.cxx, created a new more complete one as a standalone file`
`17:46.14`	`ruskie`	`hmm why not just make tho TODO a buglist :)`
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`17:49.21`	`SpazzyMcGee`	`Epyon: how many different types of buildings are you going to model?`
`17:49.38`	`AAA_awright`	`Epyon: I am really starting to like the buildings that is turning out`
`17:49.45`	`Epyon`	`:D`
`17:50.28`	`Epyon`	`SpazzyMcGee, I'm first working on making the grammar a little more powerful. But as you probably see it's already quite powerful :)`
`17:51.23`	`Epyon`	`SpazzyMcGee, see the TODO list. I doubt that I'll have time to do that all before GSoC ends, but I'm sure to work on it afterwards - it's plain fun now :D`
`17:52.01`	`Epyon`	`(I might take a month off to do my MSc though -_-)`
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`17:56.57`	`Winny`	`messy cable routing FTW`
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`18:15.59`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15102 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (Operation.cxx Operation.h): Added OperationPartition`
`18:21.55`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15103 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (lexer.l parser.y): Added partitionh and partitionv to the grammar. This allows only for the basic partition usage. Snap lines and attributes, and maybe a dedicated 'random partition' will be needed to take full power of partitioning.`
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`18:30.29`	`TD-Linux`	`fyi to anyone at bzfx... player 'copycat' is locking on with GM to stealthed tanks`
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`18:36.25`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15104 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (Operation.cxx Operation.h parser.y): All operations are now passed the RuleSet pointer (needed for attribute handling)`
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`18:45.56`	`jude-`	`hello all`
`18:46.31`	`TD-Linux`	`hi`
`18:46.37`	`AAA_awright`	`Anyone know who does this project? http://sourceforge.net/projects/bzwa/`
`18:46.41`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15105 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (RuleSet.cxx RuleSet.h globals.h): Added Attribut map for RuleSet`
`18:46.59`	`Epyon`	`jude-, you're the one who has commits in his mailbox? Poor you for the last 24h xP`
`18:47.02`	`A_Heart_Attack`	`TD-Linux, you sure?`
`18:47.14`	`TD-Linux`	`AAA_awright, don't you?`
`18:47.22`	`AAA_awright`	`TD-Linux: No`
`18:47.40`	`TD-Linux`	`A_Heart_Attack, not positive.`
`18:47.43`	`jude-`	`~Epyon++`
`18:47.48`	`TD-Linux`	`but my sister is very positive`
`18:47.48`	`tannerld`	`TD-Linux: I didn't see anything...`
`18:48.10`	`tannerld`	`hi jude-`
`18:48.59`	`Epyon`	`Hmm, what better to use for attributes... starting with $, or capitalization?`
`18:49.05`	`AAA_awright`	`The IRC logs say a user "macsforme" (the project admin) has been on twice last month`
`18:49.14`	`Epyon`	`attributes are like variables`
`18:49.32`	`AAA_awright`	`And said nothing`
`18:49.45`	`DTRemenak`	`macsforme is constitution, iirc`
`18:49.46`	`TD-Linux`	`$`
`18:50.18`	`Epyon`	`TD-Linux, Perl fan? :P`
`18:50.35`	`TD-Linux`	`no`
`18:50.37`	`TD-Linux`	`PHP :P`
`18:50.41`	`Epyon`	`Ah ^_^`
`18:50.46`	`TD-Linux`	`capitalization just seems wrong.`
`18:51.20`	`TD-Linux`	`I find the $ annoying too`
`18:51.31`	`TD-Linux`	`but I would find captializatoin even more annoying.`
`18:51.49`	`Chestal`	`I mena n shell scripting when you have a string not starting with $, it's taken as is. That is not the case for PHP though, AFAIK`
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`18:52.30`	`Epyon`	`BTW, how can I easily remove the first char from a char*?`
`18:52.40`	`AAA_awright`	`DTRemenak: Thank you`
`18:53.29`	`Chestal`	`Epyon: depends, if you really want to modify the char[], you can use memmove. otherwise, just increment the pointer`
`18:53.42`	`jude-`	`Epyon: use strings :)`
`18:53.56`	`Epyon`	`yylval.id = strdup(yytext++);`
`18:54.12`	`Epyon`	`Actually:`
`18:54.13`	`Epyon`	`yylval.id = strdup(++yytext);`
`18:54.14`	`tannerld`	`jude-: epyon is beating you in commits per day :P`
`18:54.17`	`Epyon`	`will this work?`
`18:54.29`	`Chestal`	`that creates a copy of the substring`
`18:54.34`	`Chestal`	`it#s all a question of what you want`
`18:54.56`	`Epyon`	`Chestal so if yytext is "$one" then id will be "one"?`
`18:55.18`	`Epyon`	`Yeah, I want a copy, because yytext is deleted anyway.`
`18:55.27`	`Chestal`	`better use strdup(yytext+1)`
`18:55.34`	`Epyon`	`kk`
`18:56.05`	`jude-`	`tannerld: dunno`
`18:56.07`	`Chestal`	`you seem to be deep in C land :-)`
`18:56.19`	`jude-`	`tannerld: over the whole summer, or the past few days?`
`18:56.21`	`Chestal`	`also note that strdup is not standard C but Posix`
`18:56.53`	`tannerld`	`jude-: last night :P`
`18:56.54`	`Epyon`	`Chestal, what can I use instead?`
`18:57.23`	`jude-`	`tannerld: I didn't commit anything last night, so yes`
`18:57.27`	`Chestal`	`Epyon: strlen, malloc, strcpy. It's probably ok to use strdup, though`
`18:57.35`	`tannerld`	`jude-: :P`
`18:57.44`	`jude-`	`what can I say? I was working last night`
`18:57.56`	`tannerld`	`work before play`
`18:57.56`	`jude-`	`and will be tonight as well`
`18:58.23`	`jude-`	`(only Fridays and Saturdays :) )`
`18:58.50`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15106 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (lexer.l parser.y): Attributes now recognised by the lexer, starting with the '$' sign`
`18:58.53`	`tannerld`	`what do you do for work?`
`18:59.11`	`jude-`	`I work at Safeway`
`19:00.20`	`jude-`	`(today is my last day there. woohoo!)`
`19:00.32`	`tannerld`	`hehe`
`19:03.07`	`A_Heart_Attack`	`is it posible to lock on to someone with stealth?`
`19:04.02`	`tannerld`	`A_Heart_Attack: with hacks, yes`
`19:04.03`	`AAA_awright`	`A_Heart_Attack: No`
`19:04.05`	`Epyon`	`:P`
`19:04.09`	`A_Heart_Attack`	`ok`
`19:04.09`	`DTRemenak`	`:)`
`19:04.56`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03judecn * r15107 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (7 files in 7 dirs): Eliminated the non-standard main menu in favor of adding menu items to the menu bar; improved box texture scaling.`
`19:05.22`	`Epyon`	`jude-, I take a rule that each commit should be about one thing only.`
`19:05.38`	`Epyon`	`jude-, but not break the compilation nor running.`
`19:06.02`	`jude-`	`hehe`
`19:06.16`	`Epyon`	`So I break what I do into separate "non-breaking" tasks and do them in order. Actually it helps a lot to stay focused.`
`19:07.00`	`jude-`	`I do that...I just do a lot of things in parallel`
`19:07.26`	`Epyon`	`That's it - and sometimes one can get lost in what he actually does.`
`19:07.38`	`Epyon`	`Not doing in parallel helps :)`
`19:08.07`	`Epyon`	`Because you look at the code, and know exactly what you are doing right now. If not, then a svn diff tells you that immidately :P`
`19:10.35`	`TD-Linux`	`hehe I've had that problem lots :D`
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`19:15.35`	`brlcad`	`jude- _should_ commit more frequently :)`
`19:16.05`	`Epyon`	`is _strdup in GCC?`
`19:16.21`	`brlcad`	`man strdup`
`19:16.32`	`Epyon`	`no man here -_-`
`19:16.38`	`brlcad`	`ah`
`19:16.42`	`brlcad`	`it's an old bsd function`
`19:16.59`	`brlcad`	`probably _strdup on windows`
`19:17.18`	`brlcad`	`most of the old bsd and posix routines are prefixed with an underscore on windows`
`19:17.23`	`Epyon`	`It compiles when strdup, but gives a warning on windows`
`19:17.42`	`Epyon`	`if I change it to underscore will it stop compiling under gcc?`
`19:17.51`	`brlcad`	`you shouldn't call them with an underscore -- you generally #define strdup _strdup if you need to`
`19:17.58`	`brlcad`	`yes, it would`
`19:18.08`	`brlcad`	`that's just a windows bastardization`
`19:18.11`	`Epyon`	`Ok, I'll do that define`
`19:19.12`	`jude-`	`brlcad: indeed`
`19:19.50`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15108 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (Operation.cxx Operation.h lexer.l parser.y): Implemented OperationAssign/assign for Attributes`
`19:19.55`	`Epyon`	`now xP`
`19:20.22`	`jude-`	`hardly anything's changed (I was AFK for the last few minutes)`
`19:26.42`	`Epyon`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:26.49`	`Epyon`	`Why can that be?`
`19:29.16`	`Epyon`	`Okay, got it (a & too far)`
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`19:31.59`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15109 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (Expression.cxx Expression.h Makefile bzlgen.vcproj): ExpressionAttribute added. Unfortunately because of the RuleSet* passed to the class a tiny Expression.cxx had to be added to avoid .h recursion.`
`19:32.03`	`bryjen`	`my 2.0.9 keeps crashing. i think when it tries to play the flag_lost sound.`
`19:32.17`	`bryjen`	`~bzpastebin`
`19:32.25`	`ibot`	`bzpastebin is probably http://pastebin.bzflag.bz a place to put large chunks of text to not flood a channel`
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`19:33.23`	`bryjen`	`http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m5a87bc1c`
`19:34.10`	`Epyon`	`You should have pastebin have an option for ibot to report the pasted text into the channel after submitting.`
`19:34.20`	`Epyon`	`I've seen that on #fpc and it's quite slick ;]`
`19:34.57`	`bryjen`	`the point of pastebin is to keep from pasting large amounts of text into the channel....`
`19:35.00`	`tannerld_mac`	`wouldn't that defeta the prupose of pastebin?`
`19:35.10`	`Epyon`	`no, no, the LINK`
`19:35.37`	`bryjen`	`ah, sending the link might make sense`
`19:36.13`	`Epyon`	`"<ibot> bryjen pasted "Error with bzfs 2.0.9" you can see it here http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m5a87bc1c "`
`19:36.28`	`brlcad`	`jude-: it's really not that hard.. you can rarely EVER commit too frequently or too small`
`19:36.40`	`brlcad`	`but you can certainly go too far too big :)`
`19:36.46`	`jude-`	`hehe`
`19:37.08`	`brlcad`	`so if all else fails, commit early, commit often ;)`
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`19:37.58`	`Winny`	`hrm, I wonder where I can get ~100ft ethernet cables`
`19:38.26`	`brlcad`	`ah, I see spammers finally found the pastebin`
`19:40.38`	`tannerld_mac`	`heh`
`19:41.46`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15110 10/trunk/bzwgen/parser.y: ExpressionAttribute implemented into the parser. Now for some tests?`
`19:41.58`	`blast007`	`brlcad: heh..`
`19:42.37`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03judecn * r15111 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Use FLTK mouse button constants; OSG's GUIEventAdapter constants don't always match up.`
`19:42.44`	`jude-`	`there. a measly 4-line change`
`19:43.02`	`brlcad`	`someone should add the captcha we're using elsewhere to the pastebin`
`19:43.35`	`Epyon`	`~jude-++`
`19:43.45`	`Epyon`	`I see you're catching on :D`
`19:43.51`	`AAA_awright`	`Winny: Best thing to do is go to home depot, get a length of CAT-5 cable, connectors, and crimp them yourself. If you can spend money on a crimper.`
`19:44.07`	`brlcad`	`~jude++`
`19:45.06`	`brlcad`	`might feel dirty, but it's actually quite clean :)`
`19:47.16`	`jude-`	`it feels....insignificant`
`19:47.40`	`tupone`	`brlcad, what do you think about MAINTAINER_CLEAN hook. I think they should be removed`
`19:47.48`	`jude-`	`unworthy to be committed by itself :/`
`19:48.50`	`tupone`	`and ... brlcad : you are an imposter !`
`19:52.31`	`brlcad`	`i am?`
`19:52.40`	`tupone`	`yep`
`19:52.48`	`brlcad`	`i don't feel like one`
`19:52.57`	`tupone`	`if you were the true brlcad you'd get op`
`19:53.05`	`jude-`	`where's the @ ?`
`19:53.17`	`brlcad`	`only if I auth'd of course ;)`
`19:53.47`	`brlcad`	`so while you can't be sure i'm not an imposter, I don't feel like one ;)`
`19:53.56`	`tupone`	`lol`
`19:55.00`	`brlcad`	`i'm kinda ambivalent about the maintainerclean hook .. but then I never use maintainerclean .. probably better to ask someone who does use it :)`
`19:55.34`	`tupone`	`well, looking at the automake manuals, our way is a bug`
`19:55.50`	`brlcad`	`not a bug, just not what they want`
`19:55.59`	`brlcad`	`s/want/intend/`
`19:56.16`	`brlcad`	`which what they want isn't a great justification in itself, imho`
`19:56.30`	`brlcad`	`those guys recommend a lot of crap that I strongly disagree with`
`19:56.37`	`brlcad`	`(this isn't one of them, but point stands)`
`19:57.25`	`tupone`	`maintainer-clean' should not delete anything that needs to exist in order to run `./configure && make'
`19:58.21`	`tupone`	`that is from the automake info`
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`19:59.36`	`brlcad`	`technically the Makefile.in isn't necessarily needed in order to run those`
`19:59.53`	`brlcad`	`and that "should" is still just a should so that the rule means what they think it should mean`
`20:00.01`	`brlcad`	`it's still just a make rule that can be made to do anything`
`20:00.06`	`tupone`	`hmm .. sure?`
`20:00.25`	`tupone`	`you need automake to get those`
`20:00.59`	`brlcad`	`in our case, they're needed since we AC_OUTPUT -- but you could conceivably have a configure that doesn't`
`20:01.07`	`brlcad`	`and make certainly doesn't need it`
`20:01.28`	`brlcad`	`still, the difference is just what we want maintainer-clean to mean`
`20:01.44`	`brlcad`	`to which .. I don't really care as I never use it :)`
`20:01.46`	`tupone`	`and you have an idea?`
`20:02.21`	`tupone`	`maybe a tree like it was before autogen ?`
`20:02.44`	`brlcad`	`I've got no problems with it going away really, but like I said -- I dont' use it .. maybe see if dtr uses it`
`20:02.54`	`brlcad`	`i suspect it's a tim-ism`
`20:02.58`	`tupone`	`I think Tim did`
`20:03.02`	`tupone`	`yep`
`20:13.28`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15112 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (Operation.cxx Operation.h): Guards against mesh = NULL (which may happen on initialization rule)`
`20:16.38`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15113 10/trunk/bzwgen/Operation.h: yyh, bug fixed`
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`20:23.51`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15114 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (RuleSet.h bzwgen.cxx rules/init.set rules/test.set): Attributes work! Material defining attributes moved to init.set. initialize rule is calles right after all rules have been loaded.`
`20:26.08`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15115 10/trunk/bzwgen/TODO: Attributes done. Although the idea of creating local, or inherited attributes crossed my mind...`
`20:27.10`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03judecn * r15116 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (5 files in 5 dirs):`
`20:27.10`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: The object registry within the Model class now registers object-specific configuration dialogs with the registerObject() method,`
`20:27.10`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: making the MainWindow class completely ignorant about the types of objects BZWB supports.`
`20:27.29`	`Epyon`	`~jude-++`
`20:27.34`	`jude-\|AFK`	`~Epyon++`
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`20:56.23`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15117 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (BuildZone.cxx BuildZone.h): Made all BuildZone methods take a Mesh* parameter, as well as changing the field to Mesh* to prepare for the move to multiple meshes per Zone`
`21:12.00`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15118 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (BuildZone.cxx BuildZone.h): BuildZone now has a Mesh* vector instead of a single mesh.`
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`21:31.53`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15119 10/trunk/bzwgen/BuildZone.cxx: BuildZone now can hold multiple meshes. Sidewalk is now a separate object.`
`21:34.48`	`TD-Linux`	`w00t!`
`21:35.11`	`TD-Linux`	`make some sidewalks allow grass between the sidewalk and the building`
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`21:54.42`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15120 10/trunk/bzwgen/TODO: TODO tested and cleared.`
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`22:01.18`	`Epyon`	`~tesselate`
`22:01.43`	`Epyon`	`Darn, I misunderstood what tesselation means -_-`
`22:03.55`	`Epyon`	`It's CHAMFER`
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`22:22.06`	`TD-Linux`	`~dict tesselate`
`22:23.21`	`Epyon`	`How do I make a copy of a Vector?`
`22:27.11`	`catay`	`v2.assign( v1.begin(), v1.end() );`
`22:27.56`	`catay`	`google ;)`
`22:37.59`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15121 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (Mesh.cxx Mesh.h TODO): Chamfer, it's called CHAMFER not tesselate! Implemented Mesh::chamferFace`
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`22:57.26`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15122 10/trunk/bzwgen/Mesh.cxx: Bug in meshChamfer fixed.`
`23:00.42`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15123 10/trunk/bzwgen/BuildZone.cxx: meshChamfer works! Used now to generate sidewalks.`
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`23:04.43`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15124 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (BuildZone.cxx Operation.h lexer.l parser.y): OperationChamfer added, chamfer added to the grammar. Unfortunately it can be used only on a nonconnected face. Will have to think about it later.`
`23:14.53`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15125 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (BuildZone.cxx rules/sidewalk.set): Sidewalks now managed by the grammar (sidewalk.set)`
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`23:18.09`	`CIA-23`	`BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15126 10/trunk/bzwgen/TODO: Chamfer cleared (for now). Will have to think what to do with existing mesh connected faces when chamfered.`
`23:21.39`	`Epyon`	`Okay, gotta get beer for tonight, brb -_-`
`23:22.01`	`Birdie`	`the coding will go fine than;:)`
`23:23.32`	`a_meteorite`	`Epyon, do you always have a beer every night?`
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`23:42.18`	`Epyon`	`a_meteorite, beer helps me calm down after a wild coding session o.O`
`23:42.49`	`Epyon`	`Back to work, while taking the walk I had an inspiration :D`
`23:43.12`	`Epyon`	`Lol, still #1 at http://cia.vc/ xP`
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`23:56.23`	`Epyon`	`newface->vtx->push_back(newmesh->addVertex(old_mesh->v[old_mesh->f[old_face]->vtx->at(i)]));`
`23:56.35`	`Epyon`	`is this clear for everyone?`
`23:56.38`	`a_meteorite`	`:o`
`23:56.50`	`Epyon`	`Constitution, ping?`
`23:56.52`	`a_meteorite`	`std::vector?`
`23:57.07`	`Constitution`	`hi Epyon`
`23:57.07`	`Epyon`	`a_meteorite, lots of :P`
`23:57.11`	`a_meteorite`	`wow, my eyes popped from that one liner`
`23:57.21`	`Epyon`	`Constitution, I think I know what your error was :)`
`23:57.27`	`Constitution`	`ah, excellent`
`23:57.52`	`Epyon`	`Constitution, it runs ok on 3 linux machines we tried (except for warnings))`
`23:57.57`	`a_meteorite`	`warnings, ftw!`
`23:58.06`	`a_meteorite`	`eliminate all warnings is my motto`
`23:58.08`	`Epyon`	`So there are only 2 possibilities :`
`23:58.17`	`Epyon`	`1) you didn't update to the \r\n fix`
`23:58.39`	`Epyon`	`2) when you upload the generator you forgot that it needs the rules directory at RUN-time`
`23:59.06`	`brlcad`	`Epyon: take a bow.. http://cia.vc/ ;-)`
`23:59.20`	`Epyon`	`brlcad, not my fault xP`
`23:59.45`	`Epyon`	`I know, I know :P`
`23:59.48`	`brlcad`	`:)`

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