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| 00:05.02 | JeffM | yes it's for students |
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| 00:46.01 | AAA_awright | blast007: Any network problems observed? |
| 00:46.15 | AAA_awright | 1/2 the players on bloodbath just quit |
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| 00:53.52 | RC_cola | hallo any1 |
| 00:54.09 | spldart | It's the end of the world as we know it~! /sing song |
| 00:54.56 | RC_cola | and i feel fine ^^ |
| 00:55.43 | RC_cola | o.o |
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| 01:00.53 | ViciousMuffin | out of curiosity, when was the first version on bzflag released? |
| 01:01.09 | ViciousMuffin | is it at this website? http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=3248&package_id=3165 |
| 01:01.20 | ViciousMuffin | or were there earlier releases |
| 01:04.24 | Epyon | That's afunny question :P |
| 01:04.48 | ViciousMuffin | just wondering when it's birthday is :) |
| 01:04.52 | ViciousMuffin | its* |
| 01:05.59 | Epyon | Start with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BZFlag ViciousMuffin :P |
| 01:06.29 | ViciousMuffin | ah. thank you |
| 01:06.44 | ViciousMuffin | that's the earliest? |
| 01:07.14 | ViciousMuffin | I suppose it is. |
| 01:07.39 | Epyon | ". It was originally written by Chris Schoeneman for the SGI family of computers based off of the classic Battle Zone game." |
| 01:08.18 | Epyon | So I doubt you'll find the earliest, and even if you do, you'll need a SGI to run it :P |
| 01:08.28 | ViciousMuffin | "In 1993, BZFlag was released to the public for the first time." |
| 01:08.33 | ViciousMuffin | hehe |
| 01:09.56 | ViciousMuffin | so we're coming on its 15th birthday :) |
| 01:10.11 | Epyon | This might also be of interest - http://web.archive.org/web/19970618014437/reality.sgi.com/crs/bzflag_history.html |
| 01:10.38 | blast007 | AAA_awright: how would I know re: bloodbath? |
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| 01:23.09 | spldart | We have a tanker goin around under the name Optimus.... TK'er... be on the lookout server op's |
| 01:23.39 | spldart | somethingerrother@Sony for email... can't remember the first part now |
| 01:25.48 | blast007 | Quan@SONY |
| 01:29.32 | AAA_awright | blast007: If there is a backbone issue, it would affect everyone |
| 01:29.50 | blast007 | AAA_awright: did you get affected? |
| 01:29.55 | spldart | IC he's made the rounds |
| 01:29.59 | AAA_awright | No |
| 01:30.01 | blast007 | then it didn't affect "everyone" |
| 01:30.12 | AAA_awright | Everyone on that backbone. (Geez) |
| 01:30.20 | blast007 | who runs that server? |
| 01:31.08 | spldart | And... he is still using Quan@SONY @ my last siting |
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| 01:31.42 | spldart | He's not the best TK'er in the world though ;~) |
| 01:31.59 | blast007 | AAA_awright: the server is hosted at musictest.MUSC.CWRU.Edu |
| 01:32.58 | blast007 | AAA_awright: http://www.internetpulse.net/ |
| 01:35.04 | blast007 | still not sure why you were asking me |
| 01:35.14 | blast007 | I wasn't on that server |
| 01:35.34 | blast007 | nor do I have any connection with running it |
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| 01:39.47 | spldart | Now.. somebody by Meow is getting TK complaints.... Just a H.U. for servers op's |
| 01:40.04 | spldart | I got nailed by 'it' too :) |
| 01:44.48 | SpazzyMcGee | Can you use both inside and outside points in a mesh? |
| 01:45.13 | SpazzyMcGee | Or does it have to be either one or the other? |
| 01:46.06 | jude- | you can use bot |
| 01:46.08 | jude- | *both |
| 01:46.34 | jude- | they're technically unnecessary, but they enhance the effectiveness of the collision-detection code |
| 01:46.45 | SpazzyMcGee | I know. |
| 01:47.24 | SpazzyMcGee | But it can get really horrible on a laggy server that doesn't have insides. |
| 01:48.02 | SpazzyMcGee | So I try to put them in as often as possible. I never used outside points before though, giving it a go. |
| 01:48.43 | jude- | the other advange to using them is that BZFlag doesn't have to deduce and/or compute them all on the fly |
| 01:49.30 | SpazzyMcGee | I didn't think BZFlag did? |
| 01:49.58 | SpazzyMcGee | I heard BZWorkbench is going to have a feature to calculate them? |
| 01:50.00 | jude- | IIRC, it attempts to do so, but it doesn't work for arbitrary meshes |
| 01:50.10 | jude- | BZWB should, once meshes become a feature |
| 01:50.42 | SpazzyMcGee | From my point of view, that's going to be one of it's most useful features. |
| 01:51.06 | jude- | ...but BZWB's algorithm is probably going to be a lot slower than BZFlag's, given that if it's present at all it must work in the general case :/ |
| 01:51.33 | SpazzyMcGee | When you say slow...? |
| 01:51.46 | jude- | for big meshes |
| 01:51.55 | jude- | and non-closed meshes |
| 01:52.09 | SpazzyMcGee | Gotta be quicker than putting them in by hand on a complex mesh. Long boring work. |
| 01:52.20 | jude- | it'll be quicker than that :) |
| 01:52.40 | jude- | I haven't written it yet, so I don't know how efficient it will be |
| 01:52.57 | jude- | but I would guess that it may take a few seconds for large meshes |
| 01:53.19 | SpazzyMcGee | so slowness is not a worry really ;) as long as it does it. |
| 01:53.23 | jude- | right |
| 01:53.28 | jude- | but don't try it in real-time :) |
| 01:54.01 | SpazzyMcGee | heh |
| 01:54.38 | jude- | determining the points won't be very hard, but determining whether they are outside or inside may take a while to develop :/ |
| 01:56.38 | SpazzyMcGee | I thought you said inside and outsides work together. |
| 01:57.07 | SpazzyMcGee | By the looks of this, it just takes the first type that you define. |
| 01:57.28 | SpazzyMcGee | it's ignoring the insides... |
| 01:57.47 | jude- | I thought they worked together |
| 01:58.13 | SpazzyMcGee | wait a sec, i'll put it on a public server. |
| 02:00.13 | SpazzyMcGee | oh wait, it's giving me errors. |
| 02:00.31 | blast007 | Error 404: Inside point not found |
| 02:03.24 | SpazzyMcGee | oh, wait. I forgot to upload the updated file.... |
| 02:04.59 | SpazzyMcGee | jude-: beyond.infinity.bz:4875 |
| 02:05.24 | SpazzyMcGee | join roaming |
| 02:05.42 | jude- | joining... |
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| 02:09.48 | jude- | stupid question, but what are the roaming/observer controls? |
| 02:10.06 | jude- | arrow keys + ? |
| 02:10.11 | jude- | (default values) |
| 02:10.26 | SpazzyMcGee | arrow keys plus shift = z axis |
| 02:10.35 | jude- | thanks :) |
| 02:10.36 | SpazzyMcGee | + ctrl = tilt |
| 02:11.22 | jude- | nice world :) |
| 02:11.32 | SpazzyMcGee | thanks. |
| 02:11.36 | jude- | pool party~ |
| 02:11.51 | SpazzyMcGee | Thanks for the cool name. |
| 02:12.02 | jude- | s/~/! |
| 02:12.05 | jude- | hang on--dinner |
| 02:12.09 | SpazzyMcGee | Did you see the inside/outside thing? |
| 02:12.12 | SpazzyMcGee | Oh, OK |
| 02:14.49 | blast007 | jude-: check towards the end of this: http://my.bzflag.org/w/Key_Mapping |
| 02:15.11 | blast007 | and just a note about Shift+Up/Down |
| 02:15.24 | blast007 | pressing Down makes you go up, and visa versa :) |
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| 02:27.22 | spldart | OK... Now we have "spoogebob spermpants" for a TK/cheat/obsenity |
| 02:29.04 | AAA_awright | Where? |
| 02:29.16 | spldart | He's bouncing around |
| 02:29.42 | spldart | XLR8N Castles last I saw |
| 02:30.26 | AAA_awright | http://bzflag.redjacket.ws/index.php/player/Spoogebob%20Spermpants |
| 02:30.27 | spldart | Frankly... It's been an excessively busy night for this crap :-0 |
| 02:31.53 | AAA_awright | I could have told you that (sigh) |
| 02:32.21 | spldart | wazzup with that then? |
| 02:32.29 | AAA_awright | Tker after Tker and a cheater on Bloodbath, finally my client crashed :D |
| 02:34.50 | spldart | hadn't been on bloodbath in a couple days.... I don't like the strategy/game play that much |
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| 03:09.56 | AAA_awright | c:\program files\microsoft platform sdk for windows server 2003 r2\include\winldap.h(62) : fatal error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'schnlsp.h': No such file or directory |
| 03:10.21 | AAA_awright | I really hate to ask, but I thought we were Not including LDAP directly into the server or client? |
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| 03:47.25 | spldart | WOW 1purplepanzer.hopto.org is a fast paced server right now 8-0 |
| 03:49.22 | AAA_awright | That is NOT right... http://bzflag.redjacket.ws/index.php/player/NotSure#s120603 |
| 03:51.31 | spldart | Am I 7334 if my last three machines are named (muse,whim, and haxor) ? |
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| 03:55.22 | Macrosoft | spldart: 7334? |
| 04:01.53 | spldart | yeah... like 1334 but diff |
| 04:02.31 | spldart | gotta go... Nighty night |
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| 05:38.50 | Macrosoft | >_> |
| 05:38.53 | Macrosoft | <_< |
| 05:43.35 | jude- | ^_^ |
| 05:47.50 | Pumpernickel | o_O |
| 05:48.38 | jude- | >_< |
| 05:49.04 | jude- | v_^ |
| 05:49.19 | jude- | (*)_(*) |
| 05:50.01 | jude- | <(^_^)> |
| 05:50.18 | jude- | ya, we're bored :) |
| 05:50.55 | L4m3r | <("<) <("^) (^"^) (^")> (>")> |
| 05:51.26 | jude- | (?)_(?) |
| 05:51.48 | L4m3r | @_@ |
| 05:51.51 | jude- | kerby? |
| 05:51.55 | L4m3r | yup |
| 05:51.56 | L4m3r | lol |
| 05:52.08 | jude- | took me a bit :) |
| 05:52.23 | jude- | IRC cherades :) |
| 05:53.27 | jude- | [:vF) |
| 05:53.37 | jude- | frankenstein |
| 05:53.44 | L4m3r | so, yesterday, I was finally able to go get a new bicycle |
| 05:53.58 | jude- | no crashes this time I hope? |
| 05:54.08 | L4m3r | heh, not quite |
| 05:54.16 | L4m3r | I broke the old one last tuesday... |
| 05:54.36 | jude- | right--you were telling us about how you injured your knee |
| 05:54.48 | L4m3r | yeah. It was fine, fortunately |
| 05:54.53 | jude- | that's good |
| 05:55.20 | jude- | knee injuries can be quite difficult to recover from; I'm glad you're all right :) |
| 05:55.33 | L4m3r | yeah, it was just a bruise, thank god |
| 05:55.48 | L4m3r | given my job a knee injury would be BAD |
| 05:56.04 | jude- | quite |
| 05:57.00 | L4m3r | so anyway, one of my dad's co-workers used to work at a bike shop, so he hooked me up. The place is in santa monica, though, a good 40 minute ride away from campus. |
| 05:57.38 | jude- | was it worth it? |
| 05:57.55 | L4m3r | so I go down there, and the guy has EXACTLY what I needed at a great price (so yes, definitely worth it) |
| 05:58.31 | jude- | sweet |
| 05:58.38 | jude- | how did you get it back to the dorm? |
| 05:58.41 | L4m3r | so I pay and ride back to the place my dad works at, just down the street, thank my dad's co-worker, and meet my gf |
| 05:59.05 | jude- | sounds like you had a pretty good day |
| 05:59.07 | L4m3r | she takes her bike, which I had rode down there, and we go back. |
| 05:59.33 | L4m3r | on the way we go under the freeway, and past an onramp/offramp |
| 05:59.47 | L4m3r | on the island in between, I ride through a patch of weeds |
| 06:00.25 | L4m3r | and see these brown things on the tires... I think nothing of it, but as I get closer to campus, they're still there... dozens of them |
| 06:01.05 | L4m3r | I stop and pluck one. it's a small chunk of a woodlike substance... and it's sticking to the tire because it's got a THORN on it |
| 06:01.16 | jude- | eeeek |
| 06:01.30 | L4m3r | yeah. my tires were quite thoroughly punctured... figures :P |
| 06:01.37 | jude- | crap |
| 06:01.46 | jude- | warranty? |
| 06:01.51 | L4m3r | had to stop at the bike shop and get some tubes |
| 06:02.39 | jude- | sorry about that |
| 06:02.57 | L4m3r | walked it home, plucked the remaining thorns out (some of them required tweezers) and replaced the inner tubes... it was tricky. The tires are so large that they're attached to the rims on one side |
| 06:03.32 | L4m3r | heh, nothing I can't fix. I just thought it was funny... just my luck :P |
| 06:04.02 | jude- | I had something pretty funny happen to me yesterday |
| 06:04.31 | L4m3r | what happened? |
| 06:04.50 | jude- | a while back, I found a good deal on a decent SGI Octane machine on eBay |
| 06:05.12 | jude- | no IRIX, but two blank drives |
| 06:05.24 | jude- | googled around, and found that Gentoo had experimental support for it |
| 06:05.52 | L4m3r | nice. there was another SGI enthusiast in the bzf community a while ago, but he's vanished. |
| 06:05.56 | jude- | so, I got the netboot image, set up a bootp server on my laptop, and got it to boot without problems |
| 06:06.05 | L4m3r | sweet |
| 06:06.09 | jude- | partitioned the drives, set up the volume labels, etc |
| 06:06.21 | jude- | wget-ed a stage3 tarball and unpacked it |
| 06:06.23 | jude- | rebooted |
| 06:06.28 | jude- | kernel panic--no init found |
| 06:06.50 | jude- | so, I netboot it again, make sure I configured the bootloader, and rebooted. kernel panic |
| 06:07.15 | jude- | wrote up a linuxrc script, made it executable, added "init=/linuxrc" to the parameter list, and rebooted. kernel panic |
| 06:07.25 | jude- | same problem--no init found |
| 06:07.26 | L4m3r | lol |
| 06:08.13 | jude- | so, I shelf the box (this was around when GSoC was picking up steam), and only got to tweaking it yesterday |
| 06:08.30 | jude- | I netboot it, mount the disk, and chroot into the tarball |
| 06:08.40 | jude- | only this time I see the problem |
| 06:08.49 | jude- | the disk is mounted on /mnt |
| 06:08.57 | jude- | the root image is within /mnt/root-image |
| 06:09.11 | L4m3r | oops |
| 06:09.12 | jude- | the kernel boots into a root image containing only the root-image folder! |
| 06:09.14 | L4m3r | :p |
| 06:09.31 | jude- | so, I copied out all the contents into the "real" root directory |
| 06:09.32 | jude- | reboot |
| 06:09.44 | jude- | it boots |
| 06:09.50 | jude- | but fails on checking filesystems |
| 06:10.01 | jude- | "cannot find root device" |
| 06:10.12 | jude- | but this was after udev was mounted |
| 06:10.19 | jude- | so, I enter the root password and look around |
| 06:10.25 | jude- | no disks listed in /dv |
| 06:10.29 | jude- | */dev |
| 06:10.34 | jude- | wtf |
| 06:10.41 | jude- | try to unmount udev |
| 06:10.51 | jude- | fails--"device or resource busy" |
| 06:11.06 | jude- | so, I'm stuck in single-user mode with a half-booted machine |
| 06:11.14 | jude- | reboot, netboot, chroot |
| 06:11.42 | jude- | copy the static device files from the netboot image's dev into the chroot's /dev |
| 06:11.51 | jude- | (which contains all of them) |
| 06:12.12 | jude- | google how to disable udev |
| 06:12.26 | jude- | disabled it, rebooted, huzzah! it works |
| 06:12.47 | L4m3r | woohoo :P |
| 06:12.57 | L4m3r | nice server, eh? |
| 06:13.00 | jude- | downloaded experimental Debian root image |
| 06:13.16 | jude- | scp over to the machine, uncompress, replace Gentoo |
| 06:13.22 | jude- | no more cryptic problems |
| 06:13.43 | jude- | except it thinks my laptop is our LAN's DHCP server |
| 06:13.45 | L4m3r | though, in all honesty, Bluer (the malaysian guy with the sgi) would commit jihad against you for installing linux |
| 06:14.01 | jude- | if someone would give me a copy of IRIX, I'd use it |
| 06:14.08 | L4m3r | he likes unix :P |
| 06:14.24 | jude- | Google hasn't sent me the second payment yet, so I don't have $100 to go on ebay and get IRIX 6.5 |
| 06:14.34 | L4m3r | dunno what happened to him |
| 06:14.52 | L4m3r | he was a member of planet mofo, and ran an eastern mirror for asian players |
| 06:15.50 | L4m3r | I think he said he was moving... I think we heard from him once afterward, from an internet cafe or something. Perhaps he had trouble getting 'net at his new place. |
| 06:16.03 | jude- | maybe |
| 06:16.25 | jude- | ...so, after about a month, I have Debian running on an Octane |
| 06:16.32 | jude- | without the use of base-config or d-i |
| 06:17.07 | jude- | and with Gentoo's kernel :p |
| 06:17.42 | jude- | I just might have to apt-get install x-windows-system |
| 06:17.47 | jude- | just to see how well it performs |
| 06:18.16 | jude- | my Octane is dual-headed :) |
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| 06:21.39 | L4m3r | heh |
| 06:22.24 | L4m3r | multiple monitor setups on *nix have always been lackluster, sadly |
| 06:22.35 | L4m3r | at least from what I've read |
| 06:23.38 | jude- | not even experimentally supported on this machine |
| 06:23.43 | jude- | no kernel support :( |
| 06:23.56 | L4m3r | it'd be nice if it could be configured in such a way that you could integrate KDE/Gnome's workspaces |
| 06:24.16 | jude- | actually, you can launch GNOME components in KDE and vice versa |
| 06:24.19 | L4m3r | so either monitor could look at any of your workspaces independently |
| 06:24.28 | jude- | oh, that |
| 06:24.36 | jude- | virtulization maybe? |
| 06:24.46 | L4m3r | that'd be especially fun with the beryl cube 8) |
| 06:24.57 | jude- | beryl has multi-head support already |
| 06:25.15 | L4m3r | yeah, but not like that afaik |
| 06:25.27 | L4m3r | you get two cubes, or one double-width cube |
| 06:25.47 | jude- | right |
| 06:25.51 | jude- | you meant with GNOME and KDE? |
| 06:25.56 | L4m3r | I want two "cameras" on one cube, looking at the different faces |
| 06:26.56 | jude- | ahhh |
| 06:27.04 | jude- | send a feature request to Compiz-Fusion |
| 06:27.20 | L4m3r | I posted it on the beryl forums a long, long time ago |
| 06:28.03 | L4m3r | it's probably a limitation imposed by X |
| 06:28.25 | jude- | dunno |
| 06:28.40 | jude- | but beryl is dead--it's getting merged into Compiz |
| 06:28.44 | L4m3r | support for KDE workspaces has always been sucky anyway |
| 06:29.01 | jude- | not so much anymore...they worked well with Beryl for me |
| 06:29.07 | jude- | Compiz had a problem, though |
| 06:29.23 | jude- | but then again, Compiz isn't stable |
| 06:29.34 | L4m3r | neither was beryl ;) |
| 06:29.57 | L4m3r | KDE's workspaces sorta worked, but they were wonky |
| 06:30.22 | L4m3r | for some reason beryl told KDE that there was only one workspace |
| 06:30.30 | L4m3r | and you were always in workspace 1 |
| 06:30.56 | jude- | Compiz provided too many workspaces in KDE |
| 06:31.01 | L4m3r | so if you didn't like seeing taskbar buttons from all four desktops, you were SOL. the setting didn't work. |
| 06:31.26 | jude- | taskbar buttons worked for me in Beryl |
| 06:31.34 | L4m3r | what version? |
| 06:31.42 | jude- | 0.2.1-svn |
| 06:31.50 | jude- | so did previews |
| 06:31.58 | L4m3r | ah, I think I was using 0.1.4 |
| 06:32.02 | L4m3r | or something ancient like that |
| 06:32.11 | jude- | yeah, 0.1.x is ancient |
| 06:32.18 | L4m3r | 'twas a long time ago |
| 06:32.44 | jude- | coooool....the UltraSPARC T2 is out, and it's GPL'ed :) |
| 06:34.15 | jude- | 64 hardware-level threads |
| 06:34.18 | jude- | 8 cores |
| 06:34.24 | L4m3r | :o |
| 06:35.08 | jude- | hardware-level on-chip encryption engines (8) |
| 06:35.26 | jude- | 4 FBDIMM memory controllers |
| 06:35.45 | jude- | 1.4 GHz |
| 06:37.15 | jude- | hardware-level virtualization support for up to 64 instances |
| 06:40.26 | L4m3r | so many toys, so little time :P |
| 06:40.42 | jude- | not enough money either :( |
| 06:40.47 | L4m3r | heh |
| 06:41.49 | L4m3r | I love my job. Not do I get extra income for summertime, but I also get a housing hookup, cheap, so almost all expenses are prepaid. Living barely costs anything; income is mostly disposable. |
| 06:42.21 | Macrosoft | 89.6GHz of pure awesome |
| 06:43.24 | jude- | lucky |
| 06:43.59 | jude- | most of my money from Safeway goes to bills; Google money goes mostly to savings |
| 06:44.58 | Macrosoft | 165.46 + 113.00 + whatever it is i spend on gas + food money = most of my money spent |
| 06:45.29 | L4m3r | gas is painful |
| 06:45.42 | L4m3r | if I drove, I'd probably be broke |
| 06:45.55 | Macrosoft | L4m3r: painful? you're not drinking it, are you |
| 06:46.12 | jude- | L4m3r: not an option here--I have to drive |
| 06:46.20 | Macrosoft | diito |
| 06:46.23 | jude- | everything in Tucson is so spread apart |
| 06:46.25 | Macrosoft | *ditto |
| 06:46.27 | L4m3r | yeah, I bet |
| 06:46.40 | L4m3r | LA is rather spread out, too, but I don't often have to go anywhere |
| 06:47.05 | jude- | sadly, driving to and from the uni is cheaper than living in a dorm |
| 06:47.16 | L4m3r | I even have a car at my disposal (well, a few cars) but there's nowhere to park here |
| 06:47.32 | jude- | heh--parking's an issue ANYWHERE in an urban environment :) |
| 06:47.55 | jude- | i.e. the best parking passes at the UofA cost over $500, and they only give the owner the PRIVILAGE of looking for a space :P |
| 06:48.02 | L4m3r | Lol, you have NO idea, seriously |
| 06:48.20 | jude- | I've been to LA; I've seen what it can be like |
| 06:48.27 | L4m3r | metered parking in the dorms is $2 per hour |
| 06:48.37 | jude- | dang |
| 06:48.39 | jude- | steep |
| 06:48.49 | L4m3r | put in a quarter, get 7 minutes |
| 06:49.27 | jude- | I can see why it is to your advantage to living on campus most of the time |
| 06:49.37 | jude- | that, and LA traffic nightmares |
| 06:50.56 | Macrosoft | L4m3r: add GM to car |
| 06:51.12 | L4m3r | the convenience is just incredible. |
| 06:51.14 | Macrosoft | or OO |
| 06:51.31 | L4m3r | I can get almost anywhere I need to by bicycle, if not on foot |
| 06:51.56 | Macrosoft | my bicicle died a very violent death |
| 06:52.31 | L4m3r | and I get a shared room, bed, shared bathroom (and housekeeping to clean it), decent food, a job, and a REALLY fast internet connection :D |
| 06:53.20 | jude- | if you can put up with living with other people in close quarters, it's a pretty sweet deal :) |
| 06:53.41 | L4m3r | depends on the roommates |
| 06:54.19 | L4m3r | freshman year, I had one roommate who was awesome. Sophomore year, I had two... one was a jerk, and the other was cool |
| 06:54.52 | jude- | and now? |
| 06:54.57 | L4m3r | for summer I'm down to one again, and he's good. quiet, studies a lot |
| 06:55.20 | L4m3r | good thing, too, because this room is tiny |
| 06:55.37 | Macrosoft | only when you're around. when you leave he plots your death |
| 06:56.15 | jude- | hopefully he doesn't raid the fridge :) |
| 06:56.33 | Macrosoft | booby trap the fridge |
| 06:57.11 | L4m3r | heh... I'm actually using chillin's fridge for the summer. I don't have my own. |
| 06:57.26 | L4m3r | but he can raid it if he likes, there's just pepsi in there |
| 06:58.02 | L4m3r | it works pretty well- I drink pepsi, and he drinks diet pepsi, so generally we stick to our own respective stashes |
| 06:58.54 | jude- | nice |
| 06:59.11 | L4m3r | I'm still drinking leftover pepsi from the end of the school year |
| 06:59.28 | L4m3r | leftover meal swipes netted me three cases of it- 72 cans. |
| 06:59.42 | L4m3r | You end up with a lot of extra swipes when you work at a dining hall |
| 07:00.04 | jude- | indeed |
| 07:00.34 | Macrosoft | i would go buy some, but its 2AM here |
| 07:01.02 | jude- | when do you start school again? |
| 07:01.50 | L4m3r | who, me? dunno just yet |
| 07:02.04 | jude- | that far off? |
| 07:02.08 | L4m3r | if I'm lucky I'll get to be a move-in assistant again, and move in early, 9/18 |
| 07:02.23 | L4m3r | and my summer housing ends on the 15th |
| 07:02.33 | L4m3r | so only 3 days to stay with my dad, lol |
| 07:02.52 | jude- | 9/18??? |
| 07:03.03 | jude- | I start school 8/20 |
| 07:03.03 | L4m3r | sept. 18. yeah, we start late. |
| 07:03.11 | L4m3r | we also leave late :P |
| 07:03.49 | jude- | how late? |
| 07:03.56 | L4m3r | it's the quarter system. it's set up so that the breaks between quarters coincide with xmas and the usual spring break |
| 07:04.18 | jude- | quarter-length classes? |
| 07:04.21 | L4m3r | yup |
| 07:04.30 | jude- | nice |
| 07:04.37 | jude- | semester-length here |
| 07:04.47 | L4m3r | eh, it's a matter of taste, really. the fast pace can be really rought. |
| 07:04.49 | L4m3r | rough* |
| 07:05.01 | Macrosoft | hmm... i only have 3 weeks before i leave to parts unknown |
| 07:05.16 | Macrosoft | *3 and a half |
| 07:05.34 | jude- | air force |
| 07:05.34 | jude- | ? |
| 07:05.39 | Macrosoft | yeah |
| 07:05.43 | jude- | have fun :) |
| 07:06.08 | L4m3r | I don't know what I'm going to do with myself for these last few weeks |
| 07:06.17 | jude- | work on GSoC? |
| 07:06.18 | L4m3r | gsoc and work are going to end around the same time |
| 07:06.30 | Macrosoft | it sucks that all of my stuff stays here. i have no way of protecting it while im gone |
| 07:06.36 | L4m3r | heh |
| 07:06.42 | jude- | security system |
| 07:06.52 | L4m3r | headcrabs |
| 07:07.03 | jude- | Macrosoft: are you trying to be a pilot or a technician? |
| 07:07.10 | L4m3r | or barnacles, if your garage is dark |
| 07:07.35 | Macrosoft | i'll have to shut down the computer for the first time since about a month ago |
| 07:07.46 | Macrosoft | hooray for uptime |
| 07:08.03 | Macrosoft | jude-: neither i think |
| 07:08.35 | jude- | what then? |
| 07:08.37 | Macrosoft | havent taken last test yet for job choice |
| 07:09.21 | jude- | ahh |
| 07:09.25 | Macrosoft | it wouldnt be hard to get most of the jobs, though. got 93 overall score on asvab |
| 07:09.34 | jude- | nice |
| 07:09.50 | jude- | pick something that won't get yourself killed :) |
| 07:10.08 | Macrosoft | 98 on electrical, 98 on mechanical, 93 on general, 91 on administrative |
| 07:10.23 | jude- | decisions, decisions |
| 07:10.39 | Macrosoft | thats scores, not number of jobs |
| 07:11.18 | jude- | but it looks like you'd have a wide choice pool |
| 07:11.21 | Macrosoft | ...administrative being my weakest area |
| 07:12.03 | Macrosoft | jude-: i think i'll stick to the ones that won't get be blown to hell |
| 07:12.05 | L4m3r | yeah, administrative is probably not where you wanna be anyway |
| 07:12.16 | Macrosoft | *me |
| 07:12.26 | L4m3r | if you're a grunt or a technician, no one will use you as a scapegoat ;) |
| 07:12.55 | jude- | grunt? |
| 07:13.07 | jude- | like grunty? |
| 07:13.09 | Macrosoft | they mentioned something about a programming job once, had something to do with encryption or security |
| 07:13.19 | Macrosoft | ...dont remember |
| 07:35.17 | L4m3r | woohoo, it builds! |
| 07:35.22 | L4m3r | now I can finish it... |
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| 10:03.28 | [1]PETER | nvm, found it |
| 10:23.58 | CBG` | "meshpry"? mesh pryamid? Geez, just learn to spell.... |
| 10:24.15 | CBG` | He even spelt pyramid right two other times in that line... |
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| 12:20.17 | Gilly | Any devs around? I just did a fresh install using ./configure --prefix=/usr/local && make && make install. Now when I use the client I built my shots don't appear to others. (I can still see other's and my own shots and die to them) |
| 12:35.11 | Gilly | Besides, I don't quite understand these lines: |
| 12:35.13 | Gilly | char msg[FiringInfoPLen]; void* buf = msg; buf = info.pack(buf); send(MsgShotBegin, sizeof(msg), msg); |
| 12:35.21 | Gilly | that's ServerLink::sendBeginShot |
| 12:35.33 | Gilly | buf isn't used anywhere, is it? |
| 12:36.19 | Gilly | oh wait... nvm i guess it's right :P |
| 12:51.09 | ts | Gilly: Still there? |
| 12:54.34 | Gilly | ts: yes |
| 12:55.52 | Gilly | ts: gonna eat fast though |
| 12:57.18 | ts | Gilly: Make sure you compile BZFlag 2.0.9 |
| 13:05.37 | Gilly | 2.0.9? I'm compiling 2.0.8 |
| 13:05.47 | Gilly | Where can I even fetch 2.0.9? |
| 13:05.57 | ts | svn |
| 13:06.10 | Gilly | aah yea gonna try that next |
| 13:06.27 | ts | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Category:Compiling :p |
| 13:07.03 | ts | There's a float packing bug that causes the things you described. It's fixed in 2.0.9 |
| 13:07.48 | Gilly | Ah great :) |
| 13:07.58 | Gilly | I was going a big o_0 at this already... |
| 13:08.36 | Gilly | I first thought it was because the changes i had made but then i started a fresh build... |
| 13:09.43 | Gilly | is the current branch version 2 compatible? |
| 13:10.32 | Gilly | or shall i take the branch labeled "version 2 compatible" instead |
| 13:24.56 | Gilly | btw, why doesn't this float packing bug appear to everybody? |
| 13:25.40 | Gilly | and for some reason it didn't appear in the version gentoo built for me. |
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| 13:44.39 | ts | You want v2_0branch |
| 13:45.10 | ts | Gilly: Gentoo has the fix |
| 13:45.19 | ts | 2.0.8 source has not |
| 13:51.15 | Gilly | I see :) |
| 13:51.26 | Gilly | well i got it working and my own code works too |
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| 14:11.44 | Cupcake | Tedius, they are looking for you on Bloodbath |
| 14:12.29 | Cupcake | or at least some other bloodbath admin |
| 14:19.01 | Tedius | ok, thanks.... |
| 14:38.53 | Gilly | What does the "verified" status mean for a player? |
| 14:39.24 | Gilly | Nevermind, got it already. |
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| 17:19.40 | Epyon | darn, what's bad about strcpy? o.O |
| 17:20.44 | JeffM | it's not protected |
| 17:20.47 | JeffM | strncpy |
| 17:21.02 | Epyon | works the same? |
| 17:21.12 | JeffM | it takes a lenght |
| 17:21.27 | JeffM | so you don't get buffer over runs |
| 17:22.24 | Chestal | although strncpy by itself is also kind of dangerous because you have to make sure that the target string is 0-terminated when the limit is exceeded |
| 17:22.59 | Epyon | I don't get it o.O |
| 17:23.21 | JeffM | strcpy will copy till it hits a NULL in the source |
| 17:23.31 | JeffM | it won't check to see if the destination is big enough |
| 17:23.45 | Epyon | Sooo, if I have: |
| 17:23.46 | Epyon | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:23.46 | Epyon | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:24.07 | JeffM | why not just use a standard string |
| 17:24.15 | JeffM | std::string keyword = token.keyword; |
| 17:24.15 | Pryon | if you're writing C++, whay are you using C strings? (beaten like a dead mule) |
| 17:24.39 | JeffM | it's a lot simpler |
| 17:24.43 | Epyon | Because they are in a union, and that's the token class... |
| 17:24.51 | JeffM | a union? |
| 17:24.53 | JeffM | good lord why? |
| 17:24.58 | Epyon | Tokenizer |
| 17:25.01 | JeffM | derived classes man |
| 17:25.04 | JeffM | derived classes |
| 17:25.17 | JeffM | or just ignore the warning on strcpy |
| 17:25.18 | Epyon | A derived class for each token? come on... |
| 17:25.44 | Epyon | How do I ignore it without turning off error on warnings? |
| 17:25.47 | JeffM | derived class for each type of token ;) |
| 17:26.02 | JeffM | YOU ignore it |
| 17:26.21 | Epyon | I can't I get an error ;] |
| 17:26.21 | JeffM | and you can paragma disable it by the warning number |
| 17:26.26 | JeffM | it's a real error? |
| 17:26.28 | Epyon | Aaah, thanks |
| 17:26.30 | JeffM | or a warning |
| 17:26.34 | JeffM | if it's an ERROR |
| 17:26.38 | JeffM | then you can't turn it off |
| 17:26.41 | JeffM | what is the error? |
| 17:27.20 | Chestal | union? ehm |
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| 17:27.33 | Epyon | It was a warning |
| 17:27.47 | JeffM | what are you parsing? |
| 17:28.04 | Epyon | Nothing yet, just preparing the token class and the parser class. |
| 17:28.40 | JeffM | usualy you just switch on the token, and then read some data, I can't see how a union there is a "good thing" |
| 17:28.51 | JeffM | and we have a decent tokeniser |
| 17:28.56 | JeffM | in text utils |
| 17:29.24 | JeffM | assuming your doing simple delimination |
| 17:29.24 | Epyon | *sigh* too late :/ |
| 17:30.00 | JeffM | see why we wanted you to be familar with and have compiled our code |
| 17:30.01 | Epyon | Anyway, I need something as simple as it gets. |
| 17:30.03 | JeffM | so you don't duplicate work |
| 17:30.19 | Epyon | I will want to reuse the option parser though. |
| 17:30.28 | JeffM | so |
| 17:30.58 | JeffM | like command line options? |
| 17:31.03 | Epyon | yep |
| 17:31.04 | JeffM | or reading stuff from a file |
| 17:31.10 | Epyon | cmdline |
| 17:31.10 | JeffM | oh, I have one of those if you want it |
| 17:31.26 | Epyon | I saw one in the bzfs dir. That one? |
| 17:31.29 | JeffM | will take a command line or a config file and parse it all up |
| 17:31.36 | JeffM | what was the file called? |
| 17:32.03 | JeffM | commandlineoptions? |
| 17:32.12 | Epyon | CmdLineOptions |
| 17:32.16 | JeffM | yeah that's crap |
| 17:32.20 | JeffM | thats not a real parser |
| 17:32.23 | JeffM | that's bzfs specific |
| 17:32.26 | JeffM | I have a generic one |
| 17:32.38 | Epyon | It's in bz's source tree? |
| 17:32.43 | JeffM | no |
| 17:32.46 | JeffM | tho it may be in tools |
| 17:32.49 | JeffM | let me look |
| 17:33.10 | Epyon | it's not :/ |
| 17:33.19 | JeffM | there is more then one tools |
| 17:33.23 | JeffM | not the one in bzflag/tools |
| 17:33.31 | Chestal | boost::program_options isn't too shabby |
| 17:35.11 | JeffM | ahh looks like I never moved it to bzedit |
| 17:36.50 | JeffM | it's part of GP lib |
| 17:36.51 | JeffM | http://opencombat.cvs.sourceforge.net/opencombat/GPx01/GPLib/src/commandArgs.cpp?view=log |
| 17:36.58 | JeffM | http://opencombat.cvs.sourceforge.net/opencombat/GPx01/GPLib/inc/commandArgs.h?view=log |
| 17:37.20 | JeffM | pass argc and argv, or a windows style single command line and it'll parse it all up into field names |
| 17:37.37 | Epyon | Cool, I could use that... |
| 17:37.52 | Epyon | How to... integrate... it? |
| 17:38.01 | JeffM | what do you mean? |
| 17:38.03 | JeffM | include the files |
| 17:38.04 | JeffM | build it |
| 17:38.07 | JeffM | then use it |
| 17:38.38 | JeffM | make a CCommandLineArgs object |
| 17:38.50 | JeffM | call Set with your command line |
| 17:39.10 | Epyon | I mean, just copy the files into the bzwgen folder? |
| 17:39.17 | JeffM | .... |
| 17:39.20 | JeffM | your kidding me right? |
| 17:39.34 | JeffM | you don't know how to add files to your project? |
| 17:39.38 | Epyon | Hmm, let me rephrase... |
| 17:39.53 | JeffM | you'll need OS file too |
| 17:40.24 | Epyon | I was wondering if it's ok just to use them like that in the project. |
| 17:40.38 | JeffM | yeah GPX is lgpl |
| 17:40.41 | Epyon | Also I was wondering if I should change the headers/footers to the bzflag ones. |
| 17:40.41 | JeffM | and I'm the author |
| 17:41.00 | JeffM | no, tim is not the author |
| 17:41.28 | JeffM | you can make them have the same format, if you wanted |
| 17:41.44 | Epyon | That's what I'm asking -- we were said to have all the files credited to Tim, isn't it a violation of terms? |
| 17:42.01 | JeffM | naw |
| 17:42.17 | JeffM | other files from GPX are in bzflag proper |
| 17:42.22 | JeffM | the new font manager |
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| 17:42.25 | JeffM | texture manager |
| 17:42.38 | JeffM | OSfile is probably there allready for something |
| 17:43.41 | catay | Is there somewhere a binary build available for mac osx intel (2.0.x) ? |
| 17:43.52 | JeffM | not an official one |
| 17:43.59 | JeffM | a few users have posted some on the fourms |
| 17:44.03 | JeffM | but use at your own risk |
| 17:44.25 | catay | ah ok, gonna have a look there, thanks :) |
| 17:44.47 | JeffM | or you can install the dev tools and build your own |
| 17:44.53 | JeffM | but that's rather involved |
| 17:45.35 | Epyon | Hmm shall I rename the cpp to cxx? |
| 17:45.49 | JeffM | whatever floats your boat big guy |
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| 17:49.22 | Epyon | Hmmm OSFile:: tokenize... |
| 17:49.57 | JeffM | os file needs TextUtils probably |
| 17:50.11 | JeffM | it does |
| 17:50.37 | Epyon | Yeah, and I'm wondering wether to trim the basic file from the additional options, or to get all the files needed. |
| 17:50.52 | JeffM | bzflag uses OSFile and TextUtils |
| 17:50.54 | JeffM | just use em |
| 17:50.57 | Epyon | Maybe I should put them in a separate folder... |
| 17:51.06 | JeffM | or use the ones that BZ uses |
| 18:00.06 | Epyon | hmm, if I use the existing ones, should I add them to the VCEE project? |
| 18:00.20 | JeffM | Epyon, no mater what you have to add it to the project ;) |
| 18:00.22 | Epyon | You missed a "g" |
| 18:00.32 | JeffM | ahh |
| 18:00.36 | JeffM | siggraph, show up! |
| 18:00.43 | JeffM | or JBdiGriz |
| 18:00.45 | JeffM | ether of you |
| 18:00.49 | JeffM | SHAZZAM |
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| 19:01.57 | WeBeGood | hello |
| 19:02.43 | JeffM | hello |
| 19:03.03 | a_meteorite | WeBeGood: are y'all being good? |
| 19:03.16 | WeBeGood | always |
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| 19:04.16 | WeBeGood | shuttle launch tonight with a Teacher on board |
| 19:04.27 | a_meteorite | iirc, a local teacher |
| 19:09.32 | a_meteorite | yup, Fresno, CA |
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| 19:32.38 | AAA_awright | Tedius: Ping |
| 19:32.56 | Tedius | yehello |
| 19:48.16 | JBdiGriz | SHAZZAM! |
| 19:51.06 | Erroneous | I think he's still at lunch |
| 19:51.18 | Erroneous | i.e. you're either too late, or too early :) |
| 19:52.12 | JBdiGriz | He's always out to lunch. ;) |
| 19:53.48 | *** part/#bzflag LongDon (n=LongDon@host-091-097-059-098.ewe-ip-backbone.de) |
| 19:56.34 | JeffM | not anymore |
| 19:56.44 | JeffM | where and when on friday |
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| 19:59.02 | JBdiGriz | 6pm is the designated time. I was trying to decide if we should go to Carlsbad, or downtown. How about RockBottom restaurant in the gaslamp district? If it doesn't meet with everyone's approval, there is a ton of other options right there. |
| 20:01.23 | JBdiGriz | The Padres are away, so the parking shouldn't be too bad. If you feel like parking in Oceanside, you can take the trolley downtown, and it's a 2 block walk. |
| 20:03.13 | JBdiGriz | The Coaster leaves from Oceanside at 4:55 and arrives at 6 on Friday evening. |
| 20:04.21 | JeffM | I'm mostly concerned about the late night drive back |
| 20:05.04 | AAA_awright | What was the huge dip I see here from? http://bzflag.redjacket.ws/index.php/graph.3/allw |
| 20:05.24 | JBdiGriz | The last train leaves at midnight, and gets you back to Oceanside around 1. At least you would get a little time of sobriety before starting to drive. |
| 20:05.37 | JeffM | for 4 hours |
| 20:05.49 | JBdiGriz | I'm sure I can find some floor space for people to crash as well. |
| 20:06.10 | JeffM | thanks, but I need to be in lancaster for that night |
| 20:07.51 | JBdiGriz | RockBottom is at the corner of 4th and G. |
| 20:11.59 | Tedius | AAA_awright: what time was that? about 1 in the morning? |
| 20:12.17 | AAA_awright | Let me check |
| 20:12.27 | AAA_awright | Oh, Tedius: t3 is down |
| 20:13.14 | Tedius | thnx |
| 20:25.09 | Tedius | Is there a command for sending a message to admins? |
| 20:25.18 | Tedius | something like the /msg command? |
| 20:25.50 | CBG | Not that I am aware of, Tedius... But it sounds like a great idea. |
| 20:26.25 | JBdiGriz | There is the z command |
| 20:27.18 | Tedius | yeah, I want a /command command |
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| 20:30.47 | Epyon | Uh, question... |
| 20:31.22 | Epyon | http://chaosforge.org/files/test.png |
| 20:31.30 | Epyon | Is the left accepted in BZW? |
| 20:31.44 | Epyon | As a single mesh, that is. |
| 20:31.48 | JeffM | no |
| 20:31.51 | Pryon | Hmm. convex |
| 20:32.03 | Epyon | (also if no, then if as separate?) |
| 20:32.10 | JeffM | sure then it' 2 objects |
| 20:32.21 | JeffM | the right is cleaner |
| 20:32.41 | Pryon | now you have to tell us what it is :-) |
| 20:32.55 | Epyon | Yeah, but if we switch the right top one to a cylinder then it gets.... ugly :P |
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| 20:33.26 | Epyon | Pryon, just a test image :P |
| 20:33.36 | JeffM | no it just gets complex ;) |
| 20:33.47 | JeffM | it'll still be clean geo :) |
| 20:34.03 | Epyon | Gimme the algo for that -_- |
| 20:34.10 | Epyon | *sigh* |
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| 20:34.27 | JeffM | CSG booleans ;) |
| 20:34.31 | Epyon | I feel like trying to break a brick wall with my head since yesterday. |
| 20:35.01 | Erroneous | Tedius: /msg >admin will send to the admin channel iirc |
| 20:35.10 | Epyon | What was that lib again? It seems I might need it's help after all :/ |
| 20:35.11 | Erroneous | likewise for team channels |
| 20:35.17 | Tedius | no way |
| 20:35.36 | Tedius | awesome! |
| 20:36.04 | Epyon | Ah, found it |
| 20:36.53 | blast007 | sweeet, now I can set a quickkey for /msg >admin can i b admin!?!?!?!!??!!11// |
| 20:37.01 | Tedius | heh |
| 20:37.13 | Tedius | ~Erroneous++ |
| 20:37.49 | blast007 | ;) |
| 20:37.49 | Erroneous | tbh I've never seen that documented anywhere, just happened to read the code |
| 20:38.06 | Tedius | which file? |
| 20:38.18 | Erroneous | whatever processes /msg commands |
| 20:38.24 | blast007 | only one problem with that |
| 20:38.25 | blast007 | *** '>admin' joined the game as Observer. |
| 20:38.26 | Erroneous | likely bzfs/commands.cxx |
| 20:38.37 | Erroneous | blast007: > is an illegal character iirc |
| 20:38.45 | blast007 | nope, that's a copy and paste from bzadmin |
| 20:38.54 | Erroneous | ah |
| 20:38.57 | Erroneous | then it should be |
| 20:39.00 | blast007 | :) |
| 20:39.01 | Erroneous | :P |
| 20:39.40 | daxxar | It should just check channels before nicks ;-) |
| 20:39.52 | Erroneous | it does |
| 20:40.01 | daxxar | What's the issue, then? |
| 20:40.05 | Erroneous | but you can't message that player ;) |
| 20:40.22 | daxxar | The player is obviously trying to abuse, so what's the loss? ;-) |
| 20:41.02 | daxxar | http://videos.humpingfrog.com/19074/2007/08/rediculous-but-cool-hip-hop-violin-act.html |
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| 20:42.16 | Epyon | ? |
| 20:42.42 | daxxar | Epyon: http://videos.humpingfrog.com/19074/2007/08/rediculous-but-cool-hip-hop-violin-act.html |
| 20:42.50 | Erroneous | exactly |
| 20:45.01 | Epyon | Seems as GTS works only under cygwin. So much for using it in my project -_- |
| 20:45.56 | Erroneous | GTS? Gran Turismo Sport? General Theological Seminary? |
| 20:46.09 | Erroneous | Green Tobacco Sickness? |
| 20:46.17 | blast007 | GNU Triangulated Surface Library |
| 20:46.24 | Epyon | yep |
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| 20:47.03 | tannerld_mac | heh |
| 20:48.04 | Erroneous | you could fix it so it worked more universally |
| 20:48.29 | Epyon | Sure I have the time to do that :P |
| 20:49.25 | Epyon | It's just 5MB of source code after all :P |
| 20:50.15 | Epyon | Ok, 1MB of the library itself. |
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| 20:50.39 | Epyon | But not to mention the brilliant, full, extensive and example-rich documentation. |
| 20:51.40 | Erroneous | you could document it too |
| 20:51.45 | Erroneous | I'm sure they'd love a doc patch |
| 20:52.10 | Epyon | Erroneous, do you have any idea how much time I have left till the end of the project? -_- |
| 20:52.11 | Erroneous | (probably shouldn't do that until at least September though ;) ) |
| 20:52.20 | Epyon | Exactly. |
| 20:53.18 | Tedius | (commandsImplementation.cxx) thanks again Erroneous |
| 20:53.26 | Erroneous | np Tedius |
| 20:55.49 | Epyon | I'm serious here :/ |
| 20:57.31 | Epyon | For the last two days the only thing I did was killing a few trees, yet any method I come up with either needs a ton of CSG/Mesh methods, or is "cheating". |
| 21:00.40 | JeffM | why are you worying about complex CGS style objects? |
| 21:01.57 | Epyon | Any reasonable L-System-derived geometry algorithm uses then :/ |
| 21:02.16 | JeffM | our maping system is not and never has been "reasonable" |
| 21:02.21 | JeffM | it's always been objet based |
| 21:02.26 | JeffM | object based |
| 21:02.42 | JeffM | if I were you'd I'd make paramaterised premade meshes that you could just tweak |
| 21:03.05 | JeffM | and then do all your CSG external |
| 21:03.09 | JeffM | basicly lego style |
| 21:03.13 | Epyon | JeffM, that would break my plan, break my "mission goals" and generaly break my project :P |
| 21:03.28 | JeffM | goals and paramaters change |
| 21:03.38 | JeffM | the end result is what matters |
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| 21:04.23 | Epyon | I guess that brlcad has a different opinion on that. |
| 21:04.33 | JeffM | brlcad LOVES CSG |
| 21:04.40 | JeffM | but he also knows you got no time left |
| 21:05.05 | Epyon | Darn I need a day off, or I'll explode -_- |
| 21:05.18 | JeffM | optimmaly we'd have the CSG stuf as part of our world def |
| 21:05.33 | Epyon | JeffM, that's daydreaming :P |
| 21:05.40 | JeffM | or planing |
| 21:05.58 | JeffM | we could pull a lot of nice stuff off, if our objects went from meshes to being BSP type tree structures |
| 21:06.07 | Epyon | You don't have even concave face triangulation, and I would start with that :P |
| 21:06.38 | Epyon | That I will need to do anyway I guess. |
| 21:07.09 | JeffM | dude, we JUST got meshes with Version 2.0 |
| 21:07.19 | JeffM | before that it was all boxes and pyramids |
| 21:07.32 | Epyon | SCARY o.O |
| 21:07.37 | JeffM | bzflag is OLD |
| 21:07.52 | JeffM | it is not a modern design in any way |
| 21:08.22 | Epyon | So I wonder if I should implement my "cheating" ideas instead of gramar based generation :? |
| 21:08.47 | JeffM | what do you mean? |
| 21:08.59 | JeffM | just multipple objects with coplanar faces? |
| 21:09.59 | Epyon | Nah, just a few ideas that I came up with when trying to modify the academic L-System solutions to not use L-Systems. |
| 21:10.08 | Epyon | argh |
| 21:10.11 | JeffM | do whatever works for you |
| 21:10.15 | JeffM | and that you can get done |
| 21:10.16 | Epyon | *not to use CSG |
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| 21:10.54 | Epyon | Most of all I want a generator that can generate buildings NOT based on a single quad. |
| 21:11.14 | JeffM | there are many ways to do that ;) |
| 21:11.16 | Epyon | facades are a lot easier. |
| 21:11.43 | Epyon | It's the building bounding geometry that hits hardest |
| 21:12.06 | Epyon | The classic method is scatering a few primitives and taking the CSG addition of them :/ |
| 21:12.20 | Epyon | And then refining by substraction. |
| 21:13.00 | JeffM | if I was doing it, I'd have standardised chunks I'd keep aroudn that were parmetric and then just add them in ( windows, walls, gutters, etc.. ) |
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| 21:13.24 | JeffM | then you can just replace those chunks with newer chunks and you get difrerent types of buildings. |
| 21:13.37 | Epyon | JeffM, that's a part of the facade, and that's not a problem. The main problem is the building "outline" |
| 21:13.45 | JeffM | huh? |
| 21:16.40 | Epyon | http://www.vision.ee.ethz.ch/~pmueller/wiki/uploads/CityEngine/pictures/buildings/building_modeling.jpg :P |
| 21:17.42 | JeffM | so build them up by adding various floors and outchunks |
| 21:17.48 | JeffM | refine UP, not down ;) |
| 21:18.17 | Epyon | Yeah, that's one of the ideas. |
| 21:18.43 | JeffM | or do your CSG just on boxes, and just track the corners |
| 21:18.57 | JeffM | then fill in all the wall faces with generated geo |
| 21:22.51 | Epyon | hmm, If I could come up with a simple conflict resolution for "coplanar" faces... |
| 21:23.13 | JeffM | what do you mean? |
| 21:23.42 | Epyon | If I have two boxes that stick together, I have a coplanar face, right? |
| 21:23.49 | JeffM | yeah |
| 21:23.49 | JeffM | so |
| 21:24.21 | Epyon | And addition in such a situation, or rathe "sticking them together" should be relatively easy (compared to full CSG) |
| 21:24.33 | daxxar | http://www.piss-screen.de/ |
| 21:24.40 | JeffM | coplanar dosn't cause a render issue |
| 21:24.45 | JeffM | one face will be backfacing |
| 21:25.53 | Epyon | JeffM, 1) it will cause a "inside/outside" issue |
| 21:26.02 | JeffM | not if they are seperate objects |
| 21:26.11 | JeffM | with inside/outside points |
| 21:26.24 | JeffM | if they are each convex then a single inside point for them will work fine |
| 21:26.31 | Epyon | 2) it will be messed up when one adds facade to the inner walls :P |
| 21:26.56 | JeffM | you can detect that wall right? |
| 21:27.12 | JeffM | if all 4 corners are inisde or "on" another object, ditch it |
| 21:27.39 | Epyon | What about the other, larger one? :P |
| 21:27.51 | JeffM | so you'll have some geo that won't be shown |
| 21:28.09 | JeffM | or detect if the faccade geo is Inside the bouds of an other object, don't draw it |
| 21:28.13 | JeffM | or don't add it |
| 21:28.41 | JeffM | asming it's all made of boxes the tests for that are decently simple |
| 21:28.46 | JeffM | just plane point tests |
| 21:29.11 | Gilly | Coming out of bushes into the conversation, but anyone interested in my "IP address -> Alternate Callsigns" -database patch? It will show to admins who really logged in if they have seen others from the same ip address. (And save new names.) |
| 21:29.34 | JeffM | it's a mod for the server or client? |
| 21:29.38 | Gilly | client |
| 21:29.47 | JeffM | why not do it as a server side plug-in |
| 21:30.06 | JeffM | then it can track for the entire time the server is up, not just when the server is runing |
| 21:30.10 | JeffM | sorry the admin is loged in |
| 21:30.17 | Gilly | no but admin may use many servers |
| 21:30.37 | JeffM | it should be up to the server owner to track that, not the admin player |
| 21:30.38 | Gilly | it's more like "for personal info" plugin :) |
| 21:30.57 | JeffM | I'd make it a real server plugin so it can be checked by ALL admins on a server |
| 21:31.01 | JeffM | that's more usfull |
| 21:31.08 | JeffM | you assume one admin per server |
| 21:31.14 | JeffM | better to share data between admins |
| 21:31.21 | Gilly | well you're kinda right |
| 21:31.34 | JeffM | it should be a simple plug-in |
| 21:31.47 | Gilly | but miss the point that this way when you are admin on two separate servers if you have data from server 1 you can use it on server 2 automatically |
| 21:32.07 | JeffM | that can be dangerous |
| 21:32.18 | Gilly | um, why? |
| 21:32.41 | JeffM | there are places where players share machines |
| 21:32.50 | Gilly | yes that's true |
| 21:32.56 | JeffM | you realy want to link it a server |
| 21:32.59 | Gilly | but it's up to the admin to decide |
| 21:33.12 | JeffM | if you want to get realy tricky and do that, then have your plugin store it's data on a website |
| 21:33.21 | JeffM | then every server that rusn the plugin shares data |
| 21:33.28 | JeffM | that will give you the effect you want |
| 21:33.41 | Gilly | yea but i'm not trying to get a global ip address database for whole bz... |
| 21:33.42 | JeffM | but the server owners get to chooto share |
| 21:33.52 | JeffM | yes you are |
| 21:34.03 | JeffM | a single client could get all the IPs if it hit all servers |
| 21:34.05 | JeffM | so tis' the same thing |
| 21:34.20 | Gilly | no it's not, single client doesn't necessarily have permissions on all the servers |
| 21:34.27 | JeffM | it may, it may not |
| 21:34.36 | JeffM | it should be a server side thing |
| 21:34.43 | Gilly | well - personally i have admin rights at two places i think |
| 21:35.17 | Gilly | the first use i thought when i did this was that you could see that if your friends were using fake names |
| 21:35.30 | JeffM | also difrent servers don't do global reg, you can get name confilcts between servers |
| 21:36.06 | Gilly | well that's true, but it's rare |
| 21:36.16 | JeffM | you'd be suprised |
| 21:36.37 | JeffM | if your looking to get it integrated into the mainline, I'd do it as a plug-in |
| 21:36.39 | Gilly | still it would be the admin's responsibility to not to be too surprised :P |
| 21:36.53 | Gilly | well i didn't think about that |
| 21:37.03 | Gilly | at least in this form it's more like a mere hack |
| 21:37.19 | JeffM | hack bad. features good |
| 21:38.17 | Gilly | :) it depends... I guess, btw, that there's nothing like client side plugins available. |
| 21:38.38 | JeffM | no there is not |
| 21:38.56 | Epyon | That would open a new world for cheating :P |
| 21:39.07 | JeffM | depends what the API for clients could do |
| 21:39.32 | JeffM | mostly there just hasn't been that big of a need for them, and the impact of what they can do is minimal ( if you keep away from cheating ). |
| 21:39.37 | Gilly | heh, i think you don't need plugins to do cheats |
| 21:39.38 | JeffM | server side plugins have a huge impact |
| 21:40.24 | JeffM | just saying your going to load a plug-in dosn't give you automatic access to everything inside the app that loads them |
| 21:40.43 | Gilly | of course not, and i think you're right it's more use server side |
| 21:41.01 | JeffM | in the end the goal is to make the client just be a dumb terminal |
| 21:41.10 | JeffM | you want the client to do as little for itself as possible. |
| 21:41.32 | Gilly | that's of course quite true |
| 21:41.45 | Gilly | but then after all some code junkies might want the programmable client :) |
| 21:42.14 | JeffM | the only reason to to program a client is for AI work, or to cheat |
| 21:42.31 | JeffM | if we have a bot app for AI work, then there is no reason to modify an existing client |
| 21:42.58 | JeffM | you want to minimise what a cheater can do by minimising the mods they can make to the client |
| 21:43.05 | Gilly | anyways, you can check the diff at http://btw.blobtrox.net/~btw/ipdb.diff it's to be patched in src/bzflag/ |
| 21:43.19 | Gilly | hm, i don't know if AI is the only good thing programming can bring to you |
| 21:43.20 | JeffM | patches are to be submited via SF |
| 21:43.29 | Gilly | oh |
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| 21:43.39 | Gilly | even if they are not intended to go main line? |
| 21:43.46 | JeffM | most patches don |
| 21:43.46 | JeffM | t |
| 21:43.48 | JeffM | don't |
| 21:43.56 | JeffM | but that's where we keep any that people may want to apply |
| 21:44.03 | Gilly | ok :) |
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| 21:44.22 | JeffM | cus otherwise, your jsut telling a few people here, and this isn't everyone who may want it. |
| 21:44.27 | Gilly | let's see if i remember my sf account... i have a project there which i haven't touched in years :D |
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| 21:48.37 | Gilly | well I put it to the tracker |
| 21:53.23 | Epyon | JeffM, let me clarify one thing: |
| 21:53.43 | Epyon | http://chaosforge.org/files/test.png |
| 21:54.00 | Epyon | Left object is okay as long as it's two separate meshes? |
| 21:54.07 | JeffM | yeah |
| 21:54.11 | Epyon | ok |
| 21:54.15 | JeffM | collision wise |
| 21:54.50 | Epyon | and in other regards? |
| 21:55.14 | JeffM | as far as BZ goes, probably none |
| 21:55.19 | Epyon | kk |
| 21:55.21 | JeffM | most maps now are designed like that |
| 21:55.29 | JeffM | since people just stack up boxes |
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| 22:05.16 | a_meteorite | ~seen Constitution |
| 22:05.45 | ibot | constitution <n=Constitu@gateway.pct.civiltec.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 4d 14h 51m 50s ago, saying: 'hi jude-'. |
| 22:05.46 | Epyon | Duh, a secret discovered. Very very too late -_- |
| 22:05.46 | JeffM | ? |
| 22:05.57 | Epyon | NONE of the academic papers on building generation care for the meshes to be complete proper meshes. |
| 22:06.07 | Epyon | Basicaly I'm the first to care o.O |
| 22:06.53 | Epyon | For example the most popular one about CGA geometry imports a SEPERATE mesh for every window, without worrying about connecting it to the rest. |
| 22:07.14 | Epyon | So all those pretty buildings are built out of hundreds of separate meshes. |
| 22:07.44 | Epyon | (not to mention that they don't care about having even the basic shape a single mesh) |
| 22:08.01 | JeffM | probably because it dosn't matter to them |
| 22:08.12 | Epyon | THAT'S why they don't need CSG |
| 22:08.22 | Epyon | They just leave it as is ;( |
| 22:08.29 | JeffM | most games I've seen that do procedural map generaton do it lego style |
| 22:09.03 | Epyon | JeffM, I do that with roguelikes too. |
| 22:09.22 | JeffM | it lets you get the benifit of a real meat based artist |
| 22:09.27 | Epyon | Yet you have to connect the lego's too :P |
| 22:09.29 | JeffM | and the replayability of random gen |
| 22:09.43 | JeffM | connecting legos is easy, they have standardised interfaces ;) |
| 22:09.53 | Epyon | xP |
| 22:10.17 | Epyon | But well, that settles it. I'm going to cheat |
| 22:10.52 | JeffM | it's not a cheat |
| 22:11.00 | JeffM | since there are no hard rules on it to break |
| 22:11.11 | JeffM | it's an implementaiton choice |
| 22:11.13 | Epyon | Cheat on the academic papers that is, not on the meshes :P |
| 22:11.28 | JeffM | the entire game is a cheat over a real physical simulation |
| 22:11.36 | JeffM | and who gives a crap about academic papers |
| 22:11.44 | Epyon | Scientists :P |
| 22:11.54 | JeffM | no, academics ;) |
| 22:12.05 | JeffM | real scientists have jobs |
| 22:12.06 | Epyon | And being a PhD student, I need to do that too o.O |
| 22:12.22 | JeffM | you also need to know that you have to get the job done to get paid |
| 22:12.48 | spldart | And money is it isn't it |
| 22:13.12 | JeffM | generaly they don't give out houses and food for free, so yeah |
| 22:13.24 | JeffM | if they did, then it may not be that big of a deal |
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| 22:28.30 | Epyon | Hmm |
| 22:28.43 | Epyon | Is it okay for a model to have a "bottom face"? |
| 22:29.06 | Epyon | Imagine placing a box on a box, is it okay that is has a bottom face? |
| 22:29.14 | Epyon | collision-detection-wise |
| 22:31.54 | JeffM | yeah |
| 22:31.57 | JeffM | it'll never get in there |
| 22:32.09 | JeffM | it's an extra face the zbuffer has to deal with |
| 22:32.20 | JeffM | but that just slows down drawing every so slightly |
| 22:33.21 | Epyon | Hmm, I guess such faces could be detected at output time (0.0 coordinate with a flipped z coord) |
| 22:41.38 | spldart | Well.. Even if houses and food were free I'd work for money... Can't be a real man unless you have a proper sports car (no spiders) and an overgrown compy :) |
| 22:42.43 | Epyon | I don't need a sportscar and a overgrown compy, being the owner and Lead designer of a big games company would suffice xP |
| 22:43.17 | spldart | Have to have something to commute in don't you :-) |
| 22:43.31 | spldart | Hybrid's don't count |
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| 22:46.25 | Epyon | Hmm, I wonder if extrude will work with a negative value... it should... |
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| 22:55.22 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r14860 10/trunk/bzwgen/Mesh.cxx: Fixed the order in which extrudeFace returned it's results |
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| 23:02.59 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r14861 10/trunk/bzwgen/Mesh.cxx: Fixed the orientation of the faces after mesh subdivision. |
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| 23:16.26 | JBdiGriz | Did that brlcad/siggraph ever show up? |
| 23:18.42 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r14862 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (BuildZone.cxx BuildZone.h): Fun with the skyscrapers = testing the extrusion/partitioning/subdivision |
| 23:19.57 | Epyon | JBdiGriz, no :( |
| 23:22.02 | Epyon | JeffM, how do I rename a file with svn not to break anything? First svn mv, then make VCEE accept that? |
| 23:28.20 | siggraph | hm? |
| 23:28.25 | siggraph | show up for what? |
| 23:30.28 | siggraph | CSG would be cool, but yeah there's not much time left for that :) |
| 23:31.40 | Epyon | siggraph, have you read my rant somewhere above, about academic geometry generators caring not for mesh completeness properness? |
| 23:32.42 | siggraph | nope |
| 23:33.09 | siggraph | way too much going on to keep track of irc backlog in detail like I usually do :) |
| 23:33.30 | JBdiGriz | siggraph: How's the conference going? |
| 23:33.46 | siggraph | lots of good stuff this year in the procedural geometry and urban modeling this year |
| 23:33.50 | siggraph | JBdiGriz: going great |
| 23:33.59 | Epyon | grrrr |
| 23:34.10 | siggraph | getting pretty tired, but only a day to go |
| 23:34.18 | Epyon | Search up for "NONE" (case sensitive) |
| 23:34.28 | JBdiGriz | I was telling people to show up at RockBottom restaurant on Friday at 6pm. It's only a couple of blocks from you. |
| 23:34.44 | siggraph | is that in gaslamp? |
| 23:34.51 | JBdiGriz | 4th & G, yes |
| 23:34.59 | siggraph | ah, cool |
| 23:35.33 | JBdiGriz | There's a lot there. We can always choose to wander around to various places. |
| 23:35.48 | siggraph | yeah, I've been hitting up places all week |
| 23:36.08 | siggraph | some particularly good eats |
| 23:36.21 | JBdiGriz | Are you interested in heading to Stone Bistro on Thursday night? It's a fair amount to the north. |
| 23:36.24 | siggraph | so that's a good time, folks all know about it? |
| 23:36.53 | JBdiGriz | JeffM/Erroneous know about it. I haven't seen anything from SportChick. |
| 23:36.55 | siggraph | ahh, that would be fun, but my thurs is booked through |
| 23:37.49 | JBdiGriz | Oaked ABA on tap, it doesn't get any better than that. :D |
| 23:38.18 | siggraph | ooh, happy-hour 4-7 |
| 23:40.00 | JBdiGriz | Erroneous: You should see the definition of man-hour in the places where you will be working. |
| 23:40.08 | Erroneous | heh |
| 23:49.05 | JeffM | Epyon, what SVN client do you use? |
| 23:49.12 | Epyon | cmdline |
| 23:49.17 | JeffM | dunno |
| 23:49.28 | JeffM | there is a svn rename command, but I don't know what it is on command line |
| 23:49.31 | JeffM | but once you rename it |
| 23:49.42 | JeffM | then just remove the old file from your VC project |
| 23:49.45 | JeffM | and add the new name |
| 23:50.14 | Epyon | because I have a conflict between my "common.h" and BZFlags "common.h" :P |
| 23:50.16 | JeffM | siggraph, sport chick is arround she is looking for details |
| 23:50.23 | JeffM | Epyon, check your svn help |
| 23:50.30 | JeffM | but it's a svn command |
| 23:50.47 | Epyon | heh rename = move :P |
| 23:50.52 | JeffM | ok whatever |
| 23:50.59 | JeffM | just get the file changes |
| 23:51.00 | siggraph | Epyon: rename yours |
| 23:51.11 | JeffM | then ditch the one in your project |
| 23:51.18 | Epyon | siggraph, no, I think I'll rename the one in BZFlag xP |
| 23:51.20 | JeffM | then add your new name back in |
| 23:51.35 | blast007 | "svn help move" |
| 23:51.47 | Epyon | Already moved :) |
| 23:51.54 | blast007 | :) |
| 23:51.58 | siggraph | Epyon: and the 100 files that reference common.h too? sounds like a waste of time :P |
| 23:52.27 | Epyon | siggraph, hey, at least I would be in the whole BZFlag source tree xP |
| 23:52.43 | Epyon | is there a global.h in BZF somewhere? |
| 23:53.01 | siggraph | yes |
| 23:53.10 | Epyon | *sign* |
| 23:53.19 | siggraph | "at least" wouldn't be a good reason to make that kind of change too |
| 23:53.27 | Epyon | So what to choose as a replacement name? |
| 23:53.38 | siggraph | i mean, it's just a header, they can be renamed easily |
| 23:53.47 | Epyon | siggraph, I hope you know I was kiddin' :P |
| 23:54.42 | siggraph | sometimes not so easy to tell with you :) |
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| 23:55.02 | Epyon | I'm sure that wasn't a compliment -_- |
| 23:55.26 | siggraph | twas neither a compliment nor derrogatory nor anything really :) |
| 23:56.07 | Epyon | Actually it's quite easy to figure out : I'm always joking, except for the rare occasions when I'm serious xP |
| 23:56.26 | Epyon | globals.h? |
