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| 00:08.55 | Epyon | Problem here :/ |
| 00:08.57 | Epyon | svn: Working copy '/cygdrive/c/BZFlag/trunk' locked |
| 00:08.57 | Epyon | svn: run 'svn cleanup' to remove locks (type 'svn help cleanup' for details) |
| 00:09.07 | Epyon | running cleanup doesn't help :/ |
| 00:10.03 | blast007 | try running 'svn makeitworkdamnit' |
| 00:10.36 | Epyon | blast007, problem solved by running svn cleanup at the root dir :) |
| 00:10.42 | JeffM | throw out the svn folder it says is jacked, and then just do a checkout |
| 00:10.45 | JeffM | or that :) |
| 00:10.58 | JeffM | Epyon, are you able to build now on your EE? |
| 00:11.05 | JeffM | I did mods to make it easier for you |
| 00:11.12 | Epyon | But commiting still hangs -_- |
| 00:11.32 | Epyon | JeffM, I didn't try yet, I'll do that tommorow morning. |
| 00:11.39 | JeffM | ok |
| 00:11.55 | Epyon | Just finished a heavy refactoring work -- I need a beer -_- |
| 00:12.11 | JeffM | heh |
| 00:12.12 | Epyon | Hmm, nah, I'll do one last commit. |
| 00:12.16 | JeffM | I only did the changes to trunk |
| 00:12.19 | JeffM | not branch |
| 00:12.43 | JeffM | but it should build outa the box now for you, as long as you have the platform SDK and the DIrectX SDK |
| 00:12.56 | JeffM | all other libs will be build from src/other |
| 00:13.06 | Epyon | kk, thanks :) |
| 00:13.31 | Epyon | CIA-3, you broken thing -_- |
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| 00:26.51 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r14823 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (9 files): The massive refactoring commit (tm) - implementation of the non-quad only Face class. |
| 00:34.14 | delusional_ | I got a forum question.. I'm trying to send a PM to a player by the name of "that broken tank over there" he gets a plus sign in-game.. but the send message dialog says the name is too long. |
| 00:34.25 | delusional_ | how did he register if the name is too long? |
| 00:36.47 | delusional_ | there's a nice name Sofa King We Todd Ed |
| 00:37.21 | JeffM | there is no global user by that name |
| 00:37.27 | JeffM | he must have local reged |
| 00:37.40 | delusional_ | funny |
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| 00:49.32 | delusional_ | we've been getting lots and lots of very strange bugs the last few days. |
| 00:54.43 | Epyon | Okay, final commit for today done, beer time -_- |
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| 00:59.19 | JeffM | delusional_, bugs in what? |
| 01:00.00 | blast007 | they've been encountering stranges issues with their bzflag server(s) |
| 01:00.25 | delusional_ | many strange and diverse bugs |
| 01:00.37 | blast007 | losing @, bullets that barely make it a unit past the barrel, etc |
| 01:01.04 | delusional_ | admins losing the @ for no apparent reason |
| 01:01.19 | delusional_ | unregistered players getting the + |
| 01:01.58 | delusional_ | players with normally good connections going nr... |
| 01:02.22 | ts | Mmm, are you sure the hardware is ok? It sounds a bit strange |
| 01:05.01 | JeffM | what build of the server? |
| 01:05.51 | delusional_ | it's gotta be connected to our use of crontab plugin |
| 01:05.51 | Epyon | Ok, blog updated, I can relax now :P |
| 01:06.27 | blast007 | delusional_: just an assumption at this point, we'll need to test that theory |
| 01:11.29 | JeffM | has anything changed recently? |
| 01:11.43 | JeffM | new build of bzfs? new build of plug-in? new tasks for the plug-in? |
| 01:13.55 | delusional_ | no changes. the only change was in the crontab |
| 01:14.20 | JeffM | what you are having it do? or a new build of the plugin? |
| 01:15.05 | delusional_ | we use the cro to reload databases every fifteen minutes.. I'm exploring that possibility right now |
| 01:17.02 | delusional_ | but really.. we had some changes for our CTF-Friday setup.. but the errors continue after we went back to FFA... and the FFA crontab hasn't changed in months |
| 01:18.35 | delusional_ | now players are displaying nr, and they clearly are not nr |
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| 01:33.49 | Epyon | AAA_awright :) |
| 01:35.02 | AAA_awright | Epyon :) |
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| 05:42.49 | L4m3r | zomg, where's brlcad?! |
| 05:43.03 | L4m3r | oh... heh |
| 06:46.53 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03bryjen * r14827 10/trunk/bzflag/include/bzfsAPI.h: parentheses and semicolon |
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| 06:52.09 | jude- | hello all |
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| 10:06.27 | daxxar | siggraph, aka Sean, aka brlcad? |
| 10:06.35 | daxxar | Got a new nick? :-) |
| 10:14.04 | Tupone | probably at St. Diego, attending it |
| 10:14.54 | Tupone | s/St./San |
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| 17:11.58 | delusional_ | hmm.. he did identify locally ...THAT\ BROKEN\ TANK\ OVER\ THERE:36b2etc. |
| 17:17.02 | awilcox | DTRemenak: Box ping. |
| 17:48.32 | JeffM | awilcox, he wont'; be back till after 1ish |
| 17:48.34 | JeffM | it's sunday |
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| 19:38.48 | Epyon | What's up with the list server? |
| 19:39.44 | blast007 | what about it? |
| 19:40.09 | Epyon | ah, ok now. I got a "cant talk to listserver" message for a time. |
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| 19:52.41 | Epyon | ~Constitution++ |
| 19:59.49 | Epyon | ~seen Constitution |
| 19:59.51 | ibot | constitution <n=Constitu@gateway.pct.civiltec.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1d 12h 45m 56s ago, saying: 'hi jude-'. |
| 19:59.54 | Epyon | ~seen Winny |
| 19:59.55 | ibot | winny <n=Winny@12.165.189.226> was last seen on IRC in channel ##essy, 7h 28s ago, saying: 'hotel net sucks :P'. |
| 20:09.34 | JeffM | Epyon, it can get overloaded sometimes |
| 20:09.44 | JeffM | also sometimes the route to it goes wacky |
| 20:13.32 | Epyon | CIA-3, how are you today? |
| 20:13.54 | Epyon | Duh, I guess there's only one way to find out -_- |
| 20:14.17 | JeffM | she's fine |
| 20:14.33 | Epyon | JeffM, the channel's very silent today, do even BZFlag take Sunday off? :P |
| 20:14.51 | JeffM | well most dev activity is you SOCers |
| 20:15.02 | JeffM | and brlcad and others are off at sigraph |
| 20:15.21 | Epyon | Duh, I wish I was too :( |
| 20:16.05 | JeffM | dtr should be finishing up his church stuff now |
| 20:16.17 | JeffM | and I think a lot of the kiddies are being made to do chores :) |
| 20:16.49 | Epyon | Hmm, I guess I'll take Sunday easy, and take time to create some new textures maybe. |
| 20:17.16 | JeffM | did you try to build BZ from source yet ( yes I'm going to bug you till you do ;) ) |
| 20:19.32 | Epyon | hmm |
| 20:20.03 | Epyon | JeffM, http://pastebin.ca/646705 |
| 20:20.05 | JeffM | trunk should build out of the box for you |
| 20:20.13 | Epyon | While trying to open bzfs.sln |
| 20:20.33 | JeffM | hmm |
| 20:20.44 | JeffM | can you open the bzflag.sln one? |
| 20:20.51 | DTRemenak | you're using VC8, aren't you? |
| 20:21.04 | JeffM | ohh yeah |
| 20:21.07 | JeffM | use the VC8 one |
| 20:21.23 | JeffM | I checked the bzflag.sln for that on a clean install of VC8 EE yesterday |
| 20:21.56 | DTRemenak | 'course I made a bunch of changes after you did, but it should still work :) |
| 20:22.21 | DTRemenak | mostly just blew out all the old configurations from the project files |
| 20:22.44 | JeffM | did I break the 64 bit target? |
| 20:22.54 | JeffM | EE dosn't do 64, so I though it got jacked |
| 20:23.08 | DTRemenak | it was broken before |
| 20:23.10 | DTRemenak | I just deleted it |
| 20:23.19 | DTRemenak | we can recreate it if we need to |
| 20:23.31 | JeffM | yaeh |
| 20:23.40 | JeffM | I'll get your latest changes and test on EE Now |
| 20:24.49 | DTRemenak | and I deleted all the file-specific configuration crap except for the "don't build this" instructions. dunno how most of it got in there, but the project files are a lot smaller now |
| 20:25.01 | Epyon | Ok it builds from VC8 |
| 20:25.13 | DTRemenak | cool, must not have broken anything too badly then :) |
| 20:25.20 | Epyon | It doesn't only find the DirectX files, but I havn't downloaded it yet. |
| 20:25.34 | JeffM | DTRemenak, are you ok with the 4 build targets I left? |
| 20:25.35 | DTRemenak | bzfs should link at least |
| 20:25.38 | DTRemenak | yeah, that's fine |
| 20:25.42 | DTRemenak | I had to install glew though :) |
| 20:25.54 | JeffM | the default one shold not build gew |
| 20:25.56 | JeffM | glew |
| 20:26.03 | DTRemenak | for distribution |
| 20:26.04 | JeffM | only the distribution one shoud |
| 20:26.05 | JeffM | ahh yeah |
| 20:26.14 | Epyon | loool, is it my imagination or is it compiling two projects at a time in parallel> |
| 20:26.26 | DTRemenak | it is, if you have a multicore machine |
| 20:26.36 | Epyon | DTRemenak, sooooo coool :D |
| 20:26.39 | JeffM | yeah it can do 2 files at a time |
| 20:26.45 | JeffM | VC8 is prety nice |
| 20:26.57 | DTRemenak | it can up the debug databases with our build configuration though |
| 20:27.09 | Epyon | That's the second time I see a direct benefit from dual core :P |
| 20:27.24 | DTRemenak | 'cause we dump everything in one directory, so it tries to write out to the same pdb/idb file from multiple processes |
| 20:27.28 | JeffM | it's better with incredibuild, but that costs a lot more moeny :) |
| 20:27.42 | ts | What's going on with the list server? |
| 20:28.03 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 20:28.06 | DTRemenak | you can actually set it |
| 20:28.11 | DTRemenak | it defaults to # cores |
| 20:28.12 | TD-Linux | <Epyon> What's up with the list server? |
| 20:28.23 | TD-Linux | <JeffM> Epyon, it can get overloaded sometimes |
| 20:28.38 | JeffM | I'm guessing it's internet routing, since the list is up for me |
| 20:28.57 | ts | It keeps getting up and down |
| 20:29.28 | JeffM | again, probably routing, or something is flooded, and your geting packet loss to it |
| 20:29.32 | JeffM | or from it |
| 20:29.38 | JeffM | nature of the interweb sometimes |
| 20:29.41 | Epyon | oops, this doesn't look good: |
| 20:30.00 | Epyon | http://pastebin.ca/646722 |
| 20:30.09 | Epyon | This doesn't look directx related |
| 20:30.33 | JeffM | you have the latest project files? |
| 20:30.37 | DTRemenak | missing shell32, looks like |
| 20:30.45 | JeffM | I added shell |
| 20:30.50 | Epyon | svn update on trunk/bzflag |
| 20:30.57 | JeffM | let me make sure that they didn't get borked |
| 20:30.57 | DTRemenak | to bzfs also? |
| 20:31.19 | JeffM | yeah did em all |
| 20:31.33 | DTRemenak | bzfs' list is just "ws2_32.lib winmm.lib odbc32.lib odbccp32.lib" here |
| 20:31.36 | JeffM | I added each lib needed as it build |
| 20:31.41 | DTRemenak | wonder if I trashed something |
| 20:31.57 | DTRemenak | ah, that's distribution |
| 20:33.17 | JeffM | I have it here on mine |
| 20:33.26 | JeffM | Epyon, what target are you building? |
| 20:33.44 | Epyon | Build started: Project: bzflag, Configuration: Debug_Distribution Win32 |
| 20:34.24 | JeffM | do regular debug |
| 20:34.30 | JeffM | distro needs more libs you don't have |
| 20:34.40 | JeffM | they won't build out of the box |
| 20:34.43 | JeffM | and are untested |
| 20:36.14 | Epyon | bzfs links to dinput? |
| 20:36.42 | Epyon | Ah, no, my bad xP |
| 20:36.44 | JeffM | only if it uses platform |
| 20:36.53 | JeffM | and it shouldnt |
| 20:37.07 | Epyon | bzfs still fails. |
| 20:37.10 | Epyon | But less errors |
| 20:37.17 | JeffM | you will need to get the DirectX SDK to build the client |
| 20:37.25 | JeffM | and you need to build the client to test using that bzfs |
| 20:37.28 | JeffM | what errors now? |
| 20:37.47 | Epyon | Ah, those are just warnings from the linker |
| 20:37.47 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14828 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/VC8/ (bzadmin.vcproj bzflag.vcproj bzfs.vcproj): make the distro builds have the required basic libs |
| 20:38.40 | Epyon | http://pastebin.ca/646740 |
| 20:38.45 | Epyon | Those are ok? |
| 20:39.55 | DTRemenak | not ok, but normal :) |
| 20:39.57 | JeffM | does it run |
| 20:40.15 | Epyon | All built, only platform, bzflag failed because of directx and admin because of curses |
| 20:40.17 | JeffM | yeah net transfer callback is "wierd" |
| 20:40.32 | JeffM | the admin build in "debug" should not need curses |
| 20:40.46 | JeffM | the debug and release builds should need no other 3rd party libs |
| 20:40.50 | DTRemenak | mm, that's probably my fault |
| 20:40.53 | JeffM | only first party SDKs |
| 20:41.10 | Epyon | Ok, very very stupid question... where does he put the generated exes? o.O |
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| 20:41.55 | DTRemenak | post-build copies them to the root bzflag directory |
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| 20:42.20 | Epyon | bzfs.exe works |
| 20:42.31 | JeffM | good |
| 20:42.42 | JeffM | then just get the 450 meg directX SDK and your good |
| 20:42.49 | Epyon | JeffM, you're cruel -_- |
| 20:42.54 | JeffM | you need to do it |
| 20:42.59 | Epyon | But okay, just for your satisfaction :P |
| 20:43.33 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r14829 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/VC8/bzadmin.vcproj: don't build curses stuff in normal debug config |
| 20:43.33 | JeffM | if you didn't have EE, you'd not have to download it |
| 20:43.33 | DTRemenak | not for him, for you :) |
| 20:43.33 | Epyon | I'll start the download before sleep and leave it overnight. |
| 20:43.40 | JeffM | but it's part of being part of an development project, you need to be able to build and run the project |
| 20:43.58 | DTRemenak | it'll make your life easier, testing and so on |
| 20:44.15 | JeffM | we are suposed to treat you like a real dev on our project, and we expect all devs to be able to build the game |
| 20:44.18 | DTRemenak | not to mention that it'll make it easier by making JeffM stop bugging you :) |
| 20:44.23 | JeffM | indeed |
| 20:44.41 | JeffM | if this was a company, you'd be expected to build the app your first day or so |
| 20:44.44 | Epyon | DTRemenak, the last reason will really make my life easier :D |
| 20:45.00 | JeffM | life ain't always easy ;) |
| 20:45.10 | JeffM | DTRemenak, you wern't hired as a dev ;) |
| 20:45.16 | DTRemenak | true :) |
| 20:45.52 | Epyon | I'll get a isodrink first though. |
| 20:45.54 | DTRemenak | besides, it was a bit of a pain to set up :) |
| 20:47.40 | JeffM | at least we have instructions |
| 20:47.44 | DTRemenak | hah! |
| 20:48.46 | Epyon | Hmm, does anyone know how default texturing for meshes work? |
| 20:49.08 | DTRemenak | not I |
| 20:49.10 | JeffM | like when you don't specify a UV? |
| 20:49.17 | Epyon | Yep |
| 20:49.27 | JeffM | you should always specify a UV |
| 20:49.50 | JeffM | I can see what he does, but I would not want to perpetuate that |
| 20:49.58 | Epyon | JeffM, the filesize is now 9MB. Do you have any idea what will happen if I add texcoords? :D |
| 20:50.06 | JeffM | it will get bigger |
| 20:50.14 | JeffM | don't worry about the size |
| 20:50.17 | Epyon | I'd rather abuse the default texturing |
| 20:50.18 | JeffM | we should be able to handle big maps |
| 20:50.24 | JeffM | if we can't then we'll fix BZ |
| 20:50.30 | JeffM | add compression and stuff |
| 20:50.33 | DTRemenak | default texturing won't work for you, I think |
| 20:50.33 | JeffM | use UVs |
| 20:50.41 | JeffM | do what is best for the model |
| 20:50.46 | DTRemenak | unless you have nice repeatable stuff |
| 20:50.46 | Epyon | JeffM, run BZFlag and see what a pain it is to download my map from the server :/ |
| 20:50.48 | JeffM | not what you think will work in old software |
| 20:50.55 | JeffM | Epyon, then that is something we will work on |
| 20:51.06 | JeffM | your requirements are for 2.1 |
| 20:51.08 | JeffM | not old stuff |
| 20:51.19 | Epyon | JeffM, I'd rather see a alternative method of texturing |
| 20:51.20 | JeffM | we have zlib we can compress the crap out of the map |
| 20:51.28 | JeffM | Epyon, use UVs |
| 20:51.39 | JeffM | don't skirt problems |
| 20:51.40 | JeffM | fix them |
| 20:51.46 | JeffM | the problem is big maps are slow |
| 20:51.54 | DTRemenak | there is no real alternative...no default will work for every case |
| 20:51.58 | JeffM | yeah |
| 20:52.06 | JeffM | UVS are the ONLY way to get exect results |
| 20:52.08 | DTRemenak | best is to specify exactly what you want, all the time |
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| 20:52.40 | JeffM | your not a hack, your a developer :) |
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| 20:53.08 | JeffM | you do what is best for the project and the future, not what you can slam out to just make it work right now |
| 20:53.42 | Epyon | JeffM, it would be a BIG help to be able to add a command "perquadtexture" between faces, and have the quad texture set to 0,0/1,0/1,1/0,1 |
| 20:54.01 | JeffM | why would that help? your not making maps by hand |
| 20:54.05 | JeffM | you have a tool |
| 20:54.10 | JeffM | you write the code to do UVS ONCE |
| 20:54.20 | Epyon | That would save at least 4MB of map code :P |
| 20:54.27 | JeffM | we can compress it |
| 20:54.30 | DTRemenak | no, it wouldn't |
| 20:54.34 | Epyon | It is compressed :P |
| 20:54.39 | DTRemenak | what's sent over the wire is all in binary form |
| 20:54.48 | DTRemenak | it sends a set of floats |
| 20:54.55 | Epyon | I download only 1MB out of the 10MB map |
| 20:54.58 | JeffM | yeah so your "commands" don't matter |
| 20:54.59 | DTRemenak | whether or not you have a map-side shortcut |
| 20:55.05 | Epyon | Aaah |
| 20:55.07 | Epyon | Ok. |
| 20:55.18 | JeffM | we need to compress it all as one big bin blob, not this per command thing |
| 20:55.18 | Epyon | So it's not compressed? |
| 20:55.31 | JeffM | it's binary |
| 20:55.35 | JeffM | your text is not sent to the end user |
| 20:55.41 | JeffM | it is just parsed by the server |
| 20:55.48 | Epyon | I guess compression would reduce the size at least tenfold. |
| 20:55.48 | JeffM | and converted into the world class |
| 20:55.57 | JeffM | like I say, let us worry about that |
| 20:56.01 | DTRemenak | we don't do any extra compression, no. we pack it into binary form and then let tcp handle the compression. |
| 20:56.03 | JeffM | you don't have to solve every problemin YOUR app |
| 20:56.04 | Epyon | So doubling 100kb to 200kb should be bearable. |
| 20:56.18 | JeffM | just make your maps :) |
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| 20:56.41 | Epyon | JeffM, I was just worried that people don't try out the test server because it loads to long xP |
| 20:56.46 | DTRemenak | an extra UV coord is two bytes, that's it. and if a whole bunch of them are 1s and 0s, it turns into just about nothing |
| 20:56.52 | DTRemenak | err eight bytes |
| 20:57.02 | Epyon | And I wouldn't want to see that happen with the end product P |
| 20:57.08 | JeffM | Epyon, then they will complain, or some dev will go to test it, say "this is too slow" and then fix it |
| 20:57.18 | JeffM | your app isn't the only thing that can make a huge \map |
| 20:57.23 | DTRemenak | indeed |
| 20:57.33 | Epyon | kk |
| 20:57.45 | TD-Linux | Louman's maps are all UVmapped, and obviously nobody cares about the extra map size |
| 20:57.46 | Epyon | DTRemenak, like? |
| 20:57.47 | JeffM | Epyon, you have to remember, your not a one man band |
| 20:57.48 | DTRemenak | 'specially what with a real world editor that can handle meshes |
| 20:58.03 | JeffM | Epyon, ohhh maybe that map editor that is a SOC project too ;) |
| 20:58.10 | DTRemenak | yeah exactly :) |
| 20:58.17 | Epyon | kk :) |
| 20:58.26 | Epyon | ~jude-++ |
| 20:58.29 | TD-Linux | where is this test server anyway? |
| 20:58.34 | TD-Linux | 2.0 or 2.1? |
| 20:58.47 | Epyon | TD-Linux, 2.0 search for *fair* |
| 20:59.07 | DTRemenak | or "epyon" :) |
| 20:59.13 | TD-Linux | got it |
| 20:59.21 | Epyon | You're lucky a small map got generated this time :P |
| 20:59.28 | TD-Linux | wowzers, it is big :P |
| 20:59.36 | TD-Linux | use a map cache, that will speed it up greatly |
| 20:59.40 | Epyon | Just 1/2 MB download :P |
| 20:59.47 | TD-Linux | I know, it loads slow from the server |
| 20:59.50 | DTRemenak | yeah, our default sending method kinda sucks in the first place |
| 20:59.55 | Epyon | TD-Linux, they are regenerated every 1 hour |
| 21:00.08 | TD-Linux | if you can manage a way to put it on a web server and use a cache, it will go like 10x as fast |
| 21:00.33 | DTRemenak | TD-Linux: you should suggest that to the host |
| 21:00.34 | JeffM | DTRemenak, is your curl set to build SSL? |
| 21:00.37 | DTRemenak | no, it's not |
| 21:01.16 | JeffM | hmm |
| 21:01.19 | JeffM | I get a link error |
| 21:01.26 | JeffM | says it can't find curl_md5it |
| 21:01.51 | DTRemenak | off of a clean build? |
| 21:01.53 | JeffM | I back ported your libcurl.vcprog to 7.1 |
| 21:01.54 | JeffM | yeah |
| 21:01.55 | DTRemenak | ahh |
| 21:02.06 | DTRemenak | you need to tell it to build curl and common in different directories |
| 21:02.16 | DTRemenak | otherwise they'll trample each others' md5.obj |
| 21:02.32 | JeffM | ahh |
| 21:02.32 | JeffM | ok |
| 21:02.44 | DTRemenak | caused me a bit of frusration too :) |
| 21:03.09 | DTRemenak | the vc8 one builds curl in src/other/curl/lib/<config name> |
| 21:03.09 | JeffM | it's all set to the debug and release dirs in VC71 |
| 21:03.17 | JeffM | I left that |
| 21:03.30 | JeffM | just changing VC8 to VC71 |
| 21:03.31 | DTRemenak | could be a linker priority thing then |
| 21:03.43 | DTRemenak | easy fix is probably to take common to its own dir also |
| 21:04.59 | JeffM | maybe I'll just leave VC7 using an external libcurl |
| 21:05.12 | DTRemenak | for vc8 I'd eventually like to split them all up so I can avoid the silly pdb write issues |
| 21:05.18 | JeffM | yeah |
| 21:05.31 | JeffM | tim's instance that they all go in src was stupid |
| 21:05.40 | JeffM | they all used to be seperate IIRC |
| 21:06.18 | DTRemenak | yeah, putting them in one directory is silly. could do subdirs of msvc/vc8/<config> |
| 21:07.05 | DTRemenak | they all used to build in the source directory, directly |
| 21:07.28 | DTRemenak | which was stupid because we have no real "make disctclean" equivalent |
| 21:07.45 | JeffM | yeah |
| 21:07.49 | JeffM | win ins't nix |
| 21:07.59 | DTRemenak | someday we'll figure out something that actually works for everyone :) |
| 21:08.31 | JeffM | well if we used the same build system, then I can see it |
| 21:08.33 | JeffM | but we don't |
| 21:08.39 | JeffM | so do it what is good for the native way |
| 21:08.42 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 21:11.18 | JeffM | can't I just rename md5.cxx to like bz_md5? |
| 21:11.25 | DTRemenak | yeah, you could |
| 21:11.43 | DTRemenak | but then you'd have to fix The Other build systems :) |
| 21:11.54 | JeffM | that's easy |
| 21:13.04 | TD-Linux | Epyon, for each part of your buildings, make multiple possible materials |
| 21:13.04 | Epyon | TD-Linux? |
| 21:13.21 | TD-Linux | then use random combinations to make there seem to be more variety than there is |
| 21:13.24 | Epyon | If each part uses different materials it will be "patchwork" |
| 21:13.31 | TD-Linux | no |
| 21:13.37 | TD-Linux | I mean, each building be consistent |
| 21:13.39 | Epyon | But "groups" might be used. |
| 21:13.43 | TD-Linux | but within that, say the window borders |
| 21:13.47 | Epyon | I'm thinking on that right now. |
| 21:14.04 | TD-Linux | make mulitiple materials for the window borders, and then pick one at random for each building |
| 21:14.13 | Epyon | Yep |
| 21:14.20 | Epyon | That's what I'm planning to do. |
| 21:14.32 | TD-Linux | you could generate the colors totally randomly, but by using a pre-defined set, you keep them sane |
| 21:15.03 | TD-Linux | variety within buildings would be interesting oto |
| 21:15.05 | TD-Linux | for example |
| 21:15.25 | TD-Linux | pick one 'material section' at random for each building |
| 21:15.46 | TD-Linux | then pick a different material for that section, at each level of the building |
| 21:15.52 | TD-Linux | so you have some 'design' to it |
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| 21:16.13 | jude- | hello all |
| 21:17.09 | Epyon | ~heyjude |
| 21:17.10 | ibot | Hey, Jude-, go ahead and make it bad. |
| 21:17.34 | Epyon | jude-, tried loading one of the city maps into the editor? |
| 21:18.03 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14830 10/trunk/bzflag/ (18 files in 7 dirs): change md5.h/cxx to bz_md5 so that it dosnt' conflict with the one in curl |
| 21:18.25 | jude- | Epyon: not yet...no mesh support yet :( |
| 21:19.49 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03judecn * r14831 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (23 files in 10 dirs): |
| 21:19.49 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Objects, as self-contained entities, are now event-driven and implement an event handler that translates UpdateMessage messages |
| 21:19.49 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: rather than relying on the global event handler to update objects. Also, simple linear translations like setting position, rotation, |
| 21:19.49 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: and scale are object-specific and can be over-ridden (this is important, for example, for teleporters, which implement scaling differently |
| 21:19.53 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: from all other objects). The goal now is to make a feature-rich API for implementing BZW 2.x objects as source-level plug-ins to BZWB. |
| 21:19.57 | tannerld | O.o |
| 21:20.42 | jude- | there's nothing new to see...just a back-end change |
| 21:21.07 | blast007 | ;) |
| 21:21.31 | tannerld | did you get cones to work? |
| 21:21.36 | jude- | mostly |
| 21:21.50 | jude- | the cone-specific features need to be implemented in the cone configuration dialog box still |
| 21:22.07 | tannerld | ~jude-++ |
| 21:22.22 | jude- | still no materials, texture matrixes, physics drivers, or dynamic colors though....those are next |
| 21:22.34 | eTangenT | yo jude- |
| 21:22.40 | jude- | hello eTangenT |
| 21:23.08 | tannerld | who was it that said they were going to try to make a icon? |
| 21:23.21 | jude- | AWOSLappy |
| 21:23.40 | jude- | anyone can make one, though |
| 21:23.45 | jude- | I just received one from him |
| 21:23.58 | tannerld | oh rly? |
| 21:24.08 | jude- | there is no "official" icon yet |
| 21:24.44 | tannerld | what his look like? |
| 21:25.09 | jude- | it's like the BZFlag icon, but blue, and there's a pencil drawing on it |
| 21:25.32 | tannerld | :) |
| 21:25.38 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14832 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/VC71/ (bzadmin.vcproj bzflag.vcproj bzfs.vcproj): include the right libcurl and it's directory |
| 21:26.49 | JeffM | there now VC71 is on par with 8 |
| 21:27.33 | jude- | ~JeffM++ |
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| 21:30.14 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14833 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/VC71/libcurl.vcproj: add the libcurl project that every one needs |
| 21:30.36 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14834 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/VC71/ (bzfs.sln client.sln): use libcurl in the client and server "sub" solutions |
| 21:54.25 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r14835 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (roof.png rooft.png): Two new textures for the upcoming enhancement. |
| 22:07.00 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r14836 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (BuildZone.cxx GridGenerator.cxx common.h rooft.png): Made red buildings less boring. |
| 22:15.52 | siggraph | Epyon: need anything from me? |
| 22:16.08 | Epyon | siggraph, brlcad, I envy you sooo much -_- |
| 22:16.25 | Epyon | siggraph, a kick maybe? :P |
| 22:16.57 | Epyon | I've been updating my blog on a daily basis with what I do, I guess I'm on schedule. |
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| 22:18.53 | *** kick/#bzflag [Epyon!n=sean@pdpc/supporter/silver/brlcad] by siggraph (sure! with pleasure) |
| 22:19.06 | a_meteorite | .. |
| 22:19.42 | siggraph | not quite as satisfying as I'd hoped :) |
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| 22:20.36 | JeffM | siggraph, tho he does need to build bzflag from source ;) |
| 22:20.40 | Epyon | Aaah, much better xP |
| 22:21.58 | Epyon | How canny is BZFlags face object? Can it handle non convex polys? |
| 22:24.53 | JeffM | I'd not recomend it |
| 22:25.14 | JeffM | it's drawn as a GLPolygon |
| 22:25.30 | JeffM | and IIRC, difrent GL implementaitons handle them difrently |
| 22:25.38 | JeffM | if they are concave |
| 22:27.58 | Epyon | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:27.58 | Epyon | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:27.58 | Epyon | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:28.05 | Epyon | guess that settles it |
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| 22:58.48 | spldart | Methinks I miss the good old days :( |
| 23:09.45 | Epyon | spldart, ? |
| 23:10.02 | Epyon | Nostalgia isn't what it used to be :/ |
| 23:13.59 | spldart | Just playing some BZ and thinking back to the old days... 3 + years ago for me |
| 23:14.23 | Epyon | what was different? |
| 23:14.46 | spldart | Somehow it seemed more magical.. 2.0.X was new to the world. Popular maps were different.. the 'Fever' was different |
| 23:15.13 | Epyon | popular maps were different? Like? |
| 23:15.56 | spldart | Names like spiralzone and overlord were always at the top back in the day... development was fast and furious.. many fewer servers were online |
| 23:16.29 | spldart | Just 2 years ago I could always find a good rabbit chase :) |
| 23:17.48 | delusional_ | louman has a brand new one out |
| 23:17.58 | spldart | really? |
| 23:18.07 | delusional_ | bzflag3.norang.ca 5187 |
| 23:18.18 | delusional_ | tower of havoc |
| 23:20.10 | delusional_ | It's just filling up now. |
| 23:20.48 | TD-Linux | Epyon, I thought trepan added a triangulator to BZFlag... try it and see if it works |
| 23:21.05 | TD-Linux | before he changed that, I remember missing faces on a lot of maps |
| 23:21.33 | Epyon | TD-Linux, could you do that? It would be really cool if ot was triangulated... |
| 23:21.49 | TD-Linux | hmm |
| 23:21.59 | TD-Linux | I could, I don't have 3D on this computer though |
| 23:22.04 | TD-Linux | need to use the other one... |
| 23:23.03 | TD-Linux | when I get my new laptop, I suspect I will work on BZFlag a lot more |
| 23:23.24 | TD-Linux | why would you want to make a concave poly anyway? |
| 23:24.03 | Epyon | Yaaaay, rocks. |
| 23:24.13 | Epyon | Who wants a indev screenie? :P |
| 23:27.20 | delusional_ | me |
| 23:28.06 | Epyon | http://bzflag.chaosforge.org/screenshots/bzfi0020.png |
| 23:28.36 | delusional_ | heeheee, random maps are better than mine! |
| 23:28.43 | Epyon | Now to differentiate the textures of the builings. I'm not touching geometry today, it's sunday -_- |
| 23:28.50 | Epyon | delusional_ ? |
| 23:29.18 | siggraph | Epyon: that wasn't as satisfying as I'd hoped :) |
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| 23:30.05 | Epyon | siggraph, I know, I know, but I'm taking sunday easy and an working on textures. |
| 23:30.53 | Epyon | I assume even in my situation I would have the right to take sunday off, so please don't scold me :D |
| 23:30.58 | L4m3r | siggraph, why the nick change? You had me worried there for a sec :P |
| 23:31.49 | JeffM | L4m3r, cus that's where he is :) |
| 23:31.56 | JeffM | L4m3r, you going down with us on friday? |
| 23:32.09 | JeffM | Epyon, I am working on speeding up the map send |
| 23:32.11 | L4m3r | oh, good- I thought I had missed it |
| 23:32.20 | JeffM | L4m3r, nope this friday |
| 23:32.28 | JeffM | I have an idea how we can all go, but I have to check with the sportchick |
| 23:32.32 | L4m3r | yeah, I'll see if I can take a day off and figure out transportation, etc |
| 23:32.56 | spldart | woah.. that was fun |
| 23:32.58 | JeffM | I'm thinkin that I want to ride my bike down, so dtr drives out you, picks you up |
| 23:33.06 | JeffM | I flollow on the bike |
| 23:33.16 | JeffM | then we all stop at SC/Mozuls |
| 23:33.44 | JeffM | and then take you 4 in there big ass jeep, and me in the bike and truck on down :) |
| 23:33.46 | L4m3r | and, eh, the van is a no-no, by the way. My dad put some frigging HUGE tires (and porsche rims) on it, and they rub the fenders when stopping with just him and me in the car |
| 23:33.53 | L4m3r | >_< |
| 23:33.56 | JeffM | heh |
| 23:34.18 | JeffM | this way I get to attempt to ride the motobike down, and you all carpool |
| 23:34.18 | L4m3r | heh |
| 23:34.21 | purple_cow | siggraph: how's siggraph? |
| 23:34.33 | JeffM | and if something bad happens to me, you guys will be on the same road :) |
| 23:34.48 | JeffM | purple_cow, you comin down for it? |
| 23:34.54 | purple_cow | JeffM: no :( |
| 23:35.03 | JeffM | not even on friday for dinner with us all? |
| 23:35.13 | L4m3r | well, we'll have to figure things out... somehow I don't think ucla is quite "on the way" down, but I can arrange to be in the general vicinity of SC without much issue |
| 23:35.35 | JeffM | L4m3r, it's off the 405 right? |
| 23:35.40 | L4m3r | yeah... |
| 23:35.46 | L4m3r | >_< |
| 23:35.54 | JeffM | then no big, that's right on daniel and my way |
| 23:36.04 | L4m3r | really? you actually take the 405? |
| 23:36.06 | JeffM | 405 down to redondo, get the crawfords |
| 23:36.10 | L4m3r | wow |
| 23:36.15 | JeffM | yeah then pick up the 5 and go down |
| 23:36.19 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r14837 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (BuildZone.cxx GridGenerator.cxx common.h glass.png): Basic skyscraper texture/building added. Still boxes though -_- |
| 23:36.20 | L4m3r | I avoid it if at all possible |
| 23:36.31 | JeffM | they are not that far appart down in irvine area |
| 23:36.37 | L4m3r | unfortunately, given my location, that's not often |
| 23:36.44 | JeffM | well it'll be during friday day, not like rush hour |
| 23:36.50 | JeffM | so it should not be too bad |
| 23:37.46 | siggraph | L4m3r: because I'm at siggraph for the week |
| 23:37.49 | JeffM | you can give brlcad a milestone by hand :) |
| 23:38.23 | siggraph | if he gives me a rock, I'd probably throw it at him :) |
| 23:39.30 | siggraph | purple_cow: pretty good, just got started today so not yet into the good meat |
| 23:40.18 | siggraph | a ton of really impressive real-time ray-tracing results, lots of gpgpu stuff and ray-tracing on gpu as well |
| 23:40.47 | L4m3r | so I'm still having issues making libIRC build properly... |
| 23:41.12 | JeffM | like with BZ or just even externaly? |
| 23:41.17 | L4m3r | I can get it to build alongside bzfs, but the include won't work |
| 23:41.25 | JeffM | leave it external |
| 23:42.04 | L4m3r | that didn't work either |
| 23:42.05 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r14838 10/trunk/bzwgen/BuildZone.cxx: Sidewalks added - so easy and so good looking :) |
| 23:42.09 | L4m3r | oh, wait a sec |
| 23:42.32 | L4m3r | that was because it wouldn't build :P lemme try that again |
| 23:43.27 | siggraph | you said that worked for you last weekend after I'd updated the build system |
| 23:43.42 | siggraph | you *really* shouldn't be worrying about build integration issues, just use it |
| 23:44.02 | JeffM | DTRemenak, is there a function to force the stdout to flush on windows? |
| 23:44.09 | L4m3r | I can't use it if I can't get it to work |
| 23:44.20 | L4m3r | and, hrm, won't build again... |
| 23:44.28 | siggraph | well, why can't you get it to work? |
| 23:45.32 | L4m3r | how annoying, nothing has changed and yet it won't compile... ugh! |
| 23:47.51 | L4m3r | oh, no wonder- it only builds on the laptop |
| 23:47.56 | JeffM | why waste time on geting it to build even? |
| 23:48.01 | JeffM | just use it externaly |
| 23:48.07 | JeffM | and get your BZ code done |
| 23:48.10 | JeffM | that's the important part |
| 23:48.14 | JeffM | verymuchbigtime |
| 23:48.30 | siggraph | seriously, there's not even two weeks left |
| 23:48.37 | L4m3r | I'm talking about libIRC itself |
| 23:48.37 | siggraph | you can't be fussing with that |
| 23:48.58 | JeffM | does it or does it not build solo? |
| 23:49.09 | JeffM | outside of the BZ build system? |
| 23:49.10 | L4m3r | builds solo on laptop only |
| 23:49.27 | siggraph | so .. then what's the problem? |
| 23:49.30 | JeffM | do you develop on the laptop? |
| 23:49.34 | L4m3r | not yet :) |
| 23:49.42 | CBG | he does now! |
| 23:49.58 | JeffM | so it dosn't build solo on your dev machine |
| 23:50.00 | JeffM | ? |
| 23:50.45 | Epyon | Darn, removing a vertex is hell! |
| 23:51.34 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03l4m3rthanyou * r14839 10/branches/gsoc_irc/bzflag/src/bzfs/ (Makefile.am bzfs.cxx ircControl.cxx ircControl.h): Syntax, miscellaneous fixes, and some build system tinkering (switching computers). |
| 23:52.02 | L4m3r | JeffM: dev machine runs debian testing, that probably has something to do with it |
| 23:52.05 | L4m3r | but yes, basically |
| 23:52.48 | JeffM | your out of time |
| 23:53.14 | JeffM | you think you can still pull this thing off if your still at the compiling your lib stage? |
| 23:53.35 | L4m3r | Or I can just switch computers :) |
| 23:53.50 | JeffM | do you think you can pull this off? |
| 23:54.00 | JeffM | the milestones you agreed to hit? |
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| 23:54.37 | L4m3r | IRC integration and server-to-server comm, yes. Not so sure about the lobby. |
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| 23:56.52 | JeffM | Epyon, I also added a couple level 1 log messages to let you know it's loading the map :) |
| 23:57.06 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r14840 10/trunk/bzwgen/Face.h: Methods for easier non-quad poly definition. |
| 23:57.07 | JeffM | and a level 3 for each object |
| 23:57.33 | Epyon | JeffM ? |
| 23:57.55 | Epyon | Ah, if I run it with log 1 level I'll get a confirm that the map is loading? |
| 23:58.07 | JeffM | yeah |
| 23:58.12 | JeffM | it'll say "loading map..xxx" |
| 23:58.20 | Epyon | ~JeffM++ |
| 23:58.58 | JeffM | I just have to make the new buffered map loader stop crashing :) |
