| 00:00.09 | brlcad | and ideally you wouldn't as then there are copyright complications, but using them outright is easy as a dependency |
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| 00:25.24 | jacques | does the software renderer still work at all? |
| 00:28.27 | blast007 | sure |
| 00:28.39 | blast007 | not typically all that fast, but it works ;) |
| 00:29.07 | blast007 | what kind of system are you thinking of? |
| 00:38.49 | jacques | blast007, I was thinking of N800 |
| 00:38.59 | jacques | it has a FPU |
| 00:39.17 | jacques | `course might be a tad difficult to control... |
| 00:40.26 | jacques | BIAB |
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| 00:42.47 | Winny | :D |
| 00:44.30 | jude- | ~caffeine++ |
| 00:44.49 | Winny | ~karma caffiene |
| 00:44.49 | ibot | caffiene has neutral karma |
| 00:44.54 | Winny | whops |
| 00:45.04 | Macro|caffeine | ~caffeine++ |
| 00:45.17 | jude- | ~karma caffeine |
| 00:45.17 | ibot | caffeine has karma of 2 |
| 00:45.56 | Winny | ~karma Winny |
| 00:45.56 | ibot | winny has karma of 16 |
| 00:46.04 | Winny | someone remove 1 |
| 00:46.10 | Macro|caffeine | ~karma Macrosoft |
| 00:46.10 | ibot | macrosoft has karma of -1 |
| 00:48.30 | blast007 | jacques: TimRiker has an N800, and JeffM has a 770 :) |
| 00:48.54 | blast007 | not sure about either regarding running BZFlag though |
| 00:49.09 | jude- | it's possible |
| 00:49.21 | jude- | I can run it on a Zaurus SL-5500 |
| 00:49.32 | jude- | and an old iPAQ 3600 |
| 00:49.44 | jude- | abeit older versions :/ |
| 00:51.08 | blast007 | :) |
| 00:57.30 | AAA_awright | ~karma ibot |
| 00:57.30 | ibot | ibot has karma of 23 |
| 00:58.28 | Winny | someone say my name... wanna see if this script works |
| 00:58.35 | jude- | my name |
| 00:58.48 | AAA_awright | Winny |
| 00:59.03 | Winny | darn, didn't work |
| 01:03.23 | Epyon | ~caffeine*=10 |
| 01:03.50 | Macro|caffeine | Winny: what was supposed to happen? |
| 01:09.11 | a_meteorite | Macro|caffeine: computer notifies local representatives he is using too much bandwidth in "useless" IRC thereby causing his computer to blow up |
| 01:09.30 | a_meteorite | questions? |
| 01:10.05 | Macro|caffeine | nope |
| 01:10.09 | JeffM | blast007, they don't have GL |
| 01:10.24 | blast007 | JeffM: ah, at all? |
| 01:10.32 | JeffM | not yet |
| 01:10.36 | blast007 | aww |
| 01:10.39 | JeffM | they are doing GL embeded for it |
| 01:10.48 | JeffM | and I could probably compile mesa for it |
| 01:10.57 | JeffM | the 800 has hardware drawing IIRC |
| 01:11.05 | blast007 | yup, that's what Tim said |
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| 01:11.08 | JeffM | bzadmin would work tho |
| 01:12.11 | jude- | the FIC Neo1973 smartphone will ship with 3D acceleration when it comes out |
| 01:13.43 | jacques | jude-, yeah and those son't even have FPUs |
| 01:13.57 | jacques | (the Z and ipaq) |
| 01:14.19 | jude- | jacques: but the Familiar Linux kernel has FPU emulation :P |
| 01:14.37 | jacques | sure, but it's like 100x slower than hardware |
| 01:14.59 | jude- | but it's still possible to run BZFlag :) |
| 01:15.06 | jacques | cool :-) |
| 01:15.12 | jude- | not the 2.x series, though |
| 01:15.17 | jacques | ah :-) |
| 01:15.30 | jude- | 2.x is way too math-intensive |
| 01:15.50 | jacques | but maybe not for a handheld with hardware FPU |
| 01:16.06 | jude- | ...which the Neo1973 will probably have :) |
| 01:16.29 | jacques | which proc is that? an arm but which one? |
| 01:17.58 | jacques | heck, the N800 has a TI DSP and a hardware 3d accelerator, but no drivers for the 3d :-( |
| 01:18.05 | jude- | here we go: Samsung S3C2410AL-26 SoC |
| 01:18.06 | jacques | and no easy way to develop for the DSP |
| 01:18.12 | jude- | that's unfortunate :/ |
| 01:18.46 | jude- | ARM9-based core |
| 01:19.33 | jude- | (the Neo, that is) |
| 01:21.02 | jude- | hmm...no FPU listed :/ |
| 01:21.27 | AWOSLappy | Winny. |
| 01:21.38 | AWOSLappy | (You said to say your name. I am delayed.) |
| 01:22.03 | jacques | jude-, :-\ |
| 01:23.18 | jude- | wait--that was the chip in the developer version, not the production version |
| 01:23.50 | jude- | the production version ships with a Samsung 2442 SoC |
| 01:23.55 | jude- | (400 MHz) |
| 01:24.13 | JeffM | hah, 32 meg dimms at 0.99$ a pop :) |
| 01:24.31 | JeffM | then I'll have a screaming O2 :) |
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| 01:25.23 | blast007 | JeffM: hehe |
| 01:25.33 | JeffM | the damned thing is so small |
| 01:25.41 | JeffM | I thought it would be larger |
| 01:26.23 | JeffM | it boots irix but we don't know the root password |
| 01:26.30 | jude- | it's probably heavier than you expected :P |
| 01:26.35 | blast007 | did you try "password" ? |
| 01:27.17 | JeffM | we got it to boot linux from a CD but it dosn't have enough ram to run the disk tools :) |
| 01:27.21 | JeffM | naw |
| 01:27.25 | JeffM | probably should |
| 01:27.43 | JeffM | dtr's going to bring in some scsi adapters to see if we can't mount the drive on a PC |
| 01:27.49 | JeffM | jude-, yeah it is heavy |
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| 01:28.06 | jude- | SGI's workstations are, like, solid metal :p |
| 01:28.15 | jude- | with a plastic cover |
| 01:28.28 | JeffM | I thought it'd be as tall as a mid-tower PC |
| 01:29.00 | jude- | yeah, my Octane was smaller than I thought it would be, too |
| 01:29.09 | JeffM | after all this, bz better not be a sucky game :/ |
| 01:29.13 | blast007 | hehe |
| 01:29.42 | blast007 | and if it is, you have a colorful door stop |
| 01:29.58 | JeffM | naw, it's got video in/out, I can turn it into a media player :) |
| 01:30.10 | blast007 | heh |
| 01:30.29 | JeffM | tv ripper, etc.. |
| 01:30.30 | jude- | there ya go |
| 01:30.40 | purple_cow | the O2 is kind of underpowered as far as sgi workstations go |
| 01:31.02 | jude- | but it was one of their best-selling |
| 01:31.12 | purple_cow | it was interesting at the time because of the unified memory, but pretty slow |
| 01:31.28 | JeffM | it's kinda cool lookin |
| 01:31.32 | JeffM | be nice to have a PC case like that |
| 01:33.19 | jude- | yeah, SGI's cases are pretty sweet |
| 01:33.50 | blast007 | JeffM: at my last job, we had someone give us one of those barbie PCs... we wanted to turn it into a gaming box just for fun ;) |
| 01:33.56 | purple_cow | I think visually my favorite box of theirs was the fuel |
| 01:34.04 | purple_cow | shame it sounded like a jet engine |
| 01:34.09 | jude- | lol |
| 01:34.16 | jude- | the Octane sounds like an air conditioner |
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| 01:34.32 | JeffM | heh |
| 01:34.34 | jude- | it's too bad the Fuel can't run Linux, though |
| 01:34.59 | purple_cow | It probably could, it was mips |
| 01:35.07 | purple_cow | but why would you choose linux over irix? ;-) |
| 01:35.10 | jude- | exotic bus architecture |
| 01:35.32 | jude- | Octane support is still experimental at best |
| 01:35.33 | JeffM | once I can wrangle up some IRIX disks, I'll reinstall on a biger drive :) |
| 01:37.15 | JeffM | wonder if there is any way to "find" irix images on yon interwebs |
| 01:37.33 | jude- | already searched...only eBay turned up anything useful |
| 01:37.35 | purple_cow | jude-: they're fast but big, loud, and power hungry... |
| 01:37.46 | jude- | <em>fast</em> :) |
| 01:38.08 | purple_cow | well, even then they're only really <em>fast</em> when you have the right workload |
| 01:38.28 | jude- | true... |
| 01:38.51 | purple_cow | itanium2 is a crazy awesome architecture but you need to hand-tune applications for it |
| 01:39.08 | jude- | ya |
| 01:39.28 | JeffM | can you even make an "image" of an irix CD? |
| 01:39.36 | purple_cow | JeffM: sure |
| 01:40.15 | JeffM | so someone may have images somewhere :) |
| 01:40.43 | jude- | if you find any, let me know :) |
| 01:41.04 | JeffM | or we just have to find somone who has a set and con them into making images :) |
| 01:41.22 | jude- | heh |
| 01:41.44 | jude- | why? |
| 01:41.49 | JeffM | I just want to run the bz and see what it is |
| 01:42.21 | jude- | that was directed at purple_cow :) |
| 01:42.23 | JeffM | purple_cow, know anyone at sgi still? |
| 01:42.31 | purple_cow | JeffM: nope |
| 01:42.40 | purple_cow | jude-: they haven't done anything new for years |
| 01:42.51 | jude- | true... |
| 01:43.27 | purple_cow | the last real innovation they created was numalink |
| 01:44.19 | jude- | yup |
| 01:44.59 | purple_cow | and 3GB/s just doesn't impress the ladies anymore |
| 01:45.06 | jude- | heh |
| 01:48.29 | jude- | blast007: http://www.altimit-os.net/ :D |
| 01:48.38 | blast007 | yeah, just found that |
| 01:51.02 | tannerld | jude-: pong |
| 01:51.27 | jude- | hmmm...I forgot what I pinged you for :/ |
| 01:51.41 | jude- | sorry |
| 01:52.06 | tannerld | s/pong/ping |
| 01:52.09 | tannerld | there |
| 01:52.09 | tannerld | :P |
| 01:52.10 | jude- | ahh |
| 01:52.18 | jude- | pong :) |
| 01:52.37 | tannerld | i found a bug (not sure if you know about it or not) |
| 01:52.42 | jude- | bring it on |
| 01:52.56 | tannerld | sorta strange |
| 01:53.16 | jude- | what happens? |
| 01:53.45 | tannerld | ok, if you select multiple objects using Shift+Double Click, and then try to delete them all, only a few disappear (appears to choose at random which ones) |
| 01:53.58 | jude- | nope, didn't know about that :) |
| 01:54.02 | tannerld | :) |
| 01:54.47 | jude- | yup, that's a bug |
| 01:54.52 | tannerld | yay |
| 01:55.03 | tannerld | (for discovering a bug not that there is a bug) |
| 01:56.02 | jude- | ~tannerld++ |
| 01:56.16 | tannerld | :) |
| 01:56.30 | jude- | feel free to let me know of any others if you find any :) |
| 01:56.49 | tannerld | haven't found any others :) |
| 01:57.55 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03judecn * r14725 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (4 files in 4 dirs): All selected objects are deleted when you press the "delete" key. |
| 01:58.05 | jude- | fixed :) |
| 01:58.09 | tannerld | wheee |
| 01:58.11 | tannerld | off to recompile :) |
| 01:58.40 | Macrosoft | can you save maps in bzwb yet? |
| 01:58.44 | jude- | yup |
| 01:58.58 | Macrosoft | where do i get the source? |
| 01:59.05 | jude- | ~bzworkbench |
| 01:59.06 | ibot | well, bzworkbench is a bzflag world file editor being developed by jude-, or http://bzworkbench.wordpress.com/ |
| 01:59.21 | tannerld | ~jude-++ |
| 01:59.42 | jude- | :) |
| 02:00.11 | tannerld | yay |
| 02:01.06 | jude- | if you want to add one, feel free :) |
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| 02:01.18 | tannerld | bleh - I'm no image guru |
| 02:01.22 | jude- | me neither |
| 02:01.45 | tannerld | hmm |
| 02:01.50 | AWOSLappy | I draw icons! |
| 02:01.52 | AWOSLappy | Lemme make one. |
| 02:01.53 | Macrosoft | ok... it says to use svn, but doesnt give the url to use |
| 02:02.16 | jude- | AWOSLappy: go for it :) Much appreciated :) |
| 02:02.18 | tannerld | if you click cancel in the save dialog, crash - core dump |
| 02:02.24 | jude- | yeah, I know about that |
| 02:02.27 | blast007 | Macrosoft: it's a module in the main bzflag tree |
| 02:02.39 | jude- | string runtime exception, to be precise |
| 02:02.40 | Macrosoft | ? |
| 02:03.12 | AWOSLappy | Macrosoft: https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzworkbench (iirc) |
| 02:03.37 | jude- | ya |
| 02:03.39 | tannerld | ah |
| 02:03.45 | jude- | "svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzworkbench bzworkbench" |
| 02:03.50 | blast007 | yup, beat me to it |
| 02:04.54 | AWOSLappy | tannerld: how can you talk to me over IRC if you can't read? |
| 02:05.03 | AWOSLappy | you can't read what I'm saying then |
| 02:05.05 | AWOSLappy | ! |
| 02:05.10 | tannerld | voice reader |
| 02:05.20 | tannerld | or whatever you call those things |
| 02:05.38 | tannerld | jude-: is New not supposed to work? |
| 02:06.10 | Macrosoft | O.O |
| 02:06.18 | eTangenT | tannerld: wait, you can't read? |
| 02:06.42 | jude- | tannerld: ? |
| 02:06.42 | Macrosoft | many pages of compile errors *gives up* |
| 02:06.55 | jude- | Macrosoft: read the INSTALL file |
| 02:07.00 | tannerld | course not, who reads now anyway? its so last century |
| 02:07.12 | tannerld | jude-: File -> New does nothing? |
| 02:07.17 | eTangenT | that's what I was thinking, too, tanner |
| 02:07.22 | jude- | right |
| 02:07.26 | Macrosoft | i did: cd ~/bzworkbench/Debug |
| 02:07.27 | jude- | not yet, at least |
| 02:07.29 | tannerld | ok |
| 02:07.30 | Macrosoft | make all |
| 02:07.40 | tannerld | just not sure if I'm crazy or not |
| 02:07.44 | jude- | Macrosoft: have you met all the dependencies? |
| 02:07.55 | Macrosoft | *shrugs* |
| 02:07.55 | jude- | tannerld: nah :) |
| 02:08.03 | jude- | like I said, read the INSTALL file |
| 02:08.23 | jude- | it lists them |
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| 02:09.31 | eTangenT | yo JeffM |
| 02:09.38 | jude- | wb JeffM |
| 02:09.49 | jude- | ~wb JeffM |
| 02:18.41 | awilcox | jude-: for a really kludgey file->new, do exec(argv[0]); |
| 02:19.01 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03judecn * r14726 10/trunk/bzworkbench/dialogs/MenuBar.cpp: Fixed std::string runtime exception when clicking "cancel" from the "Open" dialog |
| 02:19.24 | jude- | awilcox: what will that do? |
| 02:20.04 | jude- | execute a new instance of BZWB? |
| 02:20.04 | awilcox | jude-: are you a native Win32 or *nix programmer? |
| 02:20.11 | jude- | *nix |
| 02:20.17 | jude- | but I have done Win32 |
| 02:20.21 | awilcox | okay it's like doing shell() then exit() |
| 02:20.35 | awilcox | on Win32, it would be CreateProcess and then PostQuitMessage |
| 02:20.43 | jude- | ahh |
| 02:20.51 | awilcox | exec() runs a program and exits the current |
| 02:20.59 | jude- | that's what I thought |
| 02:21.00 | awilcox | like I said, kludgey, but may satisfy tannerld :P |
| 02:21.08 | tannerld | jude-: I would suppose that the same error would be the same problem on Save As? |
| 02:21.12 | jude- | yup |
| 02:22.13 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03judecn * r14727 10/trunk/bzworkbench/dialogs/MenuBar.cpp: Fixed std::runtime exception caused by clicking "cancel" from the "Save As..." dialog |
| 02:22.38 | jude- | s/std::runtime/std::string |
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| 03:13.33 | AAA_awright | Just a random idea: How hard would it be to implement a bzflag:// protocol in web browsers at install-time? you could click on a link like bzflag://server:port/?team=red and be brought to that server and team |
| 03:14.02 | AAA_awright | Firefox I know allows you to set this up, and warns you with a dialog when you click such a link |
| 03:18.05 | awilcox586 | AAA_awright: KDE (Konqueror) allows protocol handlers as well |
| 03:18.29 | AAA_awright | Many programs (itunes, aim) install protocol handlers for IE |
| 03:19.08 | AAA_awright | ... would it be a problem detecting all the different browsers (Konqueror, Firefox, IE)? |
| 03:19.31 | awilcox586 | AAA_awright: no, as evidenced by iTunes and AIM's installers being able to do it |
| 03:19.53 | AAA_awright | For Internet Explorer only... BZFlag being x-platform though |
| 03:19.54 | awilcox586 | if [ /usr/bin/firefox-bin ] install_firefox_handler(); |
| 03:20.44 | AAA_awright | awilcox586: Firefox is installed at /usr/bin/firefox on my gentoo box. |
| 03:20.54 | awilcox586 | AAA_awright...well hrm |
| 03:21.00 | awilcox586 | it could do something like ./configure |
| 03:21.05 | awilcox586 | looking for firefox... |
| 03:21.21 | awilcox586 | not saying for ./configure to actually DO it, but for it to do a process like this |
| 03:21.25 | awilcox586 | heck |
| 03:21.28 | awilcox586 | find / | grep firefox |
| 03:22.25 | jude- | too slow |
| 03:22.30 | jude- | use pkg-config |
| 03:22.32 | AAA_awright | Way too slow |
| 03:22.54 | awilcox586 | pkg_config is only available in *BSD, afaik |
| 03:23.18 | jude- | I have it on my Debian box |
| 03:23.25 | AAA_awright | It exists on my Gentoo box |
| 03:23.36 | jude- | isn't it part of LSB? |
| 03:24.10 | awilcox586 | oh...I'm talking about NetBSD pkgsrc |
| 03:30.36 | blast007 | AAA_awright: I had toyed with a bzflag:// protocol thingy a long time ago |
| 03:30.54 | blast007 | got it to attept to launch the bzflag binary, but I couldn't get it to find the fonts |
| 03:31.00 | AAA_awright | ...Someone created a java launcher |
| 03:31.49 | AAA_awright | Let me see if I can configure Frefox to do that, Maybe I can write an extension |
| 03:31.55 | blast007 | mine was a reg hack on Windows 2000 |
| 03:32.03 | AAA_awright | blast007: did you mess around with the about:config? |
| 03:32.04 | awilcox586 | blast007: yep |
| 03:32.14 | AAA_awright | Oh, it was on IE? |
| 03:32.20 | blast007 | AAA_awright: no |
| 03:32.32 | blast007 | it should have worked in any browser |
| 03:32.57 | AAA_awright | There is a place in the registry for that? I know that the itms: protocol only works for me on IE |
| 03:35.07 | AAA_awright | It probably is. Nothing in about:config relating to what program handles a protocol |
| 03:36.32 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03judecn * r14728 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Added functionality to File->New |
| 03:37.00 | awilcox586 | jude- does it actually work? |
| 03:37.02 | awilcox586 | my idea? |
| 03:37.12 | jude- | I didn't use your idea, I'm afraid |
| 03:37.24 | awilcox586 | Hehe. No problem. |
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| 03:37.49 | jude- | instead, BZWB creates a mock world containing only the default "world" and "options" objects and feeds it into the world builder :) |
| 03:37.57 | awilcox586 | ahh. |
| 03:38.05 | awilcox586 | that's better than the kludge I suggested :P |
| 03:38.21 | jude- | thanks :) |
| 03:39.07 | jude- | the code to do that is a bit longer, but it's platform-independent |
| 03:39.59 | awilcox586 | true. |
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| 03:42.00 | blast007 | AAA_awright: might be IE only, didn't test |
| 03:42.24 | blast007 | that was a LONG time ago I tried that |
| 03:42.32 | blast007 | early 2.0.x |
| 03:42.33 | AAA_awright | Well now I am confused, firefox has "itms" in the about:config |
| 03:46.25 | AAA_awright | Ah, PHP streams |
| 03:49.11 | jude- | does anyone know of BZW 2.x object support shearing along Z? Whenever I have a non-zero value for dz in "shear dx dy dz" the object just doesn't show up. |
| 03:49.32 | jude- | s/of/if |
| 03:51.07 | delusional_ | Iv'e used shear in Z.. seemed ok |
| 03:52.16 | jude- | doesn't work for cones in my experience |
| 03:52.29 | AWOSLappy | jude- ping |
| 03:52.31 | delusional_ | I used it on arcs |
| 03:52.36 | jude- | AWOSLappy: pong |
| 03:52.45 | AWOSLappy | jude-: BZWB icon |
| 03:52.49 | jude- | sweet! |
| 03:52.56 | AWOSLappy | This is just 1 idea |
| 03:53.03 | AWOSLappy | if you don't like it I can do others |
| 03:53.10 | jude- | where can I find it? |
| 03:53.33 | AWOSLappy | Uploading |
| 03:53.44 | AWOSLappy | http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/3051/bzwbicon1br6.png |
| 03:54.02 | AWOSLappy | You need to download it and zoom it to see it fully, but hopefully it is self-explanatory |
| 03:54.26 | jude- | it's cool |
| 03:54.34 | AWOSLappy | :) |
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| 03:54.59 | AWOSLappy | I drew the pencil myself so there would be no licensing problems. |
| 03:55.12 | jude- | lol |
| 03:55.22 | jude- | needs to be 32-bit, though (for transparency) |
| 03:55.24 | AWOSLappy | not bad for the Line and Fill tools, huh? |
| 03:55.29 | jude- | indeed |
| 03:55.50 | AWOSLappy | And the tank is blue instead of red. |
| 03:55.56 | jude- | yup |
| 03:56.05 | AWOSLappy | My "original" idea was to make the tank blue for bzwb, and maybe green for bzfs |
| 03:56.13 | AWOSLappy | So that each part of the suite had a different color. |
| 03:56.47 | jude- | sounds reasonable...as long as the user isn't color-blind :) |
| 03:58.37 | AAA_awright | jude-: That is a real consideration |
| 03:59.17 | AAA_awright | I do know color-blind people play BZFlag, and it is a major trouble in web development (if you want accessible web pages) |
| 04:00.42 | AWOSLappy | Google has multiple colors. |
| 04:01.00 | jude- | but it doesn't rely on color alone for identification purposes |
| 04:04.41 | delusional_ | jude.. about shear... use a decimal value, less than one.... it can actually move the object around too. |
| 04:05.00 | jude- | ahhh--I was using dz = 1 |
| 04:05.22 | delusional_ | I think it's a percentage |
| 04:05.44 | jude- | it doesn't look that way for dx = 1 or dy = 1, though--in that case, it looks like a "natural" shear |
| 04:05.58 | jude- | i.e. (1,1,1) maps to (2,1,1) for dx = 1 |
| 04:06.19 | delusional_ | if you say so |
| 04:06.43 | jude- | I mean in BZFlag |
| 04:07.23 | jude- | basically, as far as developing BZWB is concerned, I add objects to a bzfs map, play the game, look at how BZFlag renders objects, and try to get BZWB to mimic it :) |
| 04:08.34 | delusional_ | you develop a reflex for going from application to application. |
| 04:09.16 | jude- | a reflex? |
| 04:10.23 | delusional_ | mine is... save file... go to terminal... start server... go to bzflag.app.... join game... |
| 04:10.33 | delusional_ | and the various keypresses in between |
| 04:11.04 | delusional_ | i might do that 50 times a day |
| 04:11.08 | jude- | mine is... nano share/boxworld.bzw... bzfs -world share/boxworld.bzw &... bzflag.... killall bzfs... repeat :) |
| 04:11.39 | delusional_ | repeat... |
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| 05:53.35 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03judecn * r14729 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (13 files in 9 dirs): Added the abilities to configure the world, options, and water level. |
| 07:20.59 | daxxar | ~jude-++ |
| 07:21.14 | jude- | ~daxxar++ |
| 07:21.16 | jude- | :) |
| 07:21.29 | daxxar | Mornin' |
| 07:21.37 | jude- | good morning |
| 07:21.40 | daxxar | I have the same 'tick' / reflex that you guys have. ;-) |
| 07:21.52 | jude- | comes in handy, doesn't it : |
| 07:21.54 | jude- | :) |
| 07:22.14 | AWOSLappy | I have a reflex like that |
| 07:22.27 | daxxar | bzrobots -team green .. TestRobot.so, <click BZFlag client>, connect, look at bot, <quit BZFLag client>, <quit BZRobots> |
| 07:22.31 | daxxar | It does. :-p |
| 07:22.50 | AWOSLappy | cd awos/trunk/src/kernel; make all; qemu -s -fda awos.img &; gdb; vim somecode.c; loop; |
| 07:22.58 | daxxar | Anyway, hit the shower. |
| 07:23.00 | daxxar | AWOSLappy: hehe |
| 07:23.05 | AWOSLappy | daxxar :) |
| 07:23.24 | jude- | vim? |
| 07:23.32 | jude- | why not use an IDE? |
| 07:23.46 | AWOSLappy | jude-: because I'm doing this in an ssh session :) |
| 07:24.02 | AWOSLappy | see in reality I run qemu on my local box and the rest on the ssh |
| 07:24.14 | jude- | ssh -x :) |
| 07:24.38 | AWOSLappy | hehe |
| 07:26.07 | jude- | my loop can also be "Ctrl+Shift+S (save all and build in Eclipse).... ./bzworkbench .... edit something..... repeat" |
| 07:26.31 | AWOSLappy | hehe |
| 07:38.20 | L4m3r | well this is joyous. Hard to file my weekly report when my webserver is crapping out... |
| 07:39.24 | AWOSLappy | [dmp]: specs? |
| 07:40.29 | jude- | it's pretty snappy on my machine (except for autocomplete) |
| 07:41.05 | jude- | ...but then again, I have autocomplete set to parse ALL of the header files I use, and some of them are pretty massive xP |
| 07:41.11 | AWOSLappy | hehe |
| 07:41.12 | [dmp] | AWOSLappy: athlon 1.2ghz, 1.5gb memory |
| 07:41.28 | jude- | which version? |
| 07:41.29 | AWOSLappy | [dmp]: wow. I have a Celeron/500, 256M RAM that will barely run Kdevelop |
| 07:41.51 | jude- | and what OS? |
| 07:41.55 | jude- | and which Java runtime? |
| 07:42.47 | [dmp] | jude-: eclipse 3.2.1 .. linux/debian etch, suns jre1.5.0-04 |
| 07:42.58 | jude- | s/3.3.2/3.2.2 |
| 07:43.00 | jude- | huh |
| 07:43.22 | jude- | try disabling autocomplete :) |
| 07:43.44 | [dmp] | that is about the only feature i know how to use in eclipse :-) |
| 07:43.53 | jude- | it's also the slowest feature :/ |
| 07:44.14 | [dmp] | i figured that i might as well spend time learning more vim |
| 07:44.28 | [dmp] | and with multiple shells, its not really a problem from me |
| 07:44.36 | [dmp] | just feels like i outta get used to using a ide :) |
| 07:45.02 | jude- | I used to just use an X text editor with a shell, but the window clutter got to me in the end :/ |
| 07:45.43 | jude- | that, and Eclipse's error-highlighting feature made fixing my code go MUCH faster :) |
| 07:47.35 | [dmp] | I love fluxbox window-tab thing to avoid the cluttering :) |
| 07:48.11 | L4m3r | gaaaaah! |
| 07:48.13 | jude- | heh--I'm a KDE fan |
| 07:48.19 | jude- | never got used to fluxbox |
| 07:48.19 | L4m3r | curse you dreamhost! |
| 07:48.31 | jude- | although I use it on a low-end machine |
| 07:48.40 | daxxar | GNOME Terminal has nice tabbing. <3 |
| 07:48.48 | jude- | so does Konsole :) |
| 07:48.51 | [dmp] | part of my problem is that i work on remote machines as my fulltime job. So i got used to ssh/vim |
| 07:48.58 | jude- | ahhh |
| 07:49.01 | L4m3r | Konsole kicks the crap out of the gnome terminal ;) |
| 07:49.05 | jude- | then vim makes perfect sense :) |
| 07:49.14 | [dmp] | yeah :) |
| 07:49.43 | [dmp] | and you pick up new tricks here and there, making it easier |
| 07:49.48 | jude- | that, and Konsole's cursor doesn't blink, which means that it doesn't have to wake up the CPU to service a timer interrupt, thus saving power on kernels 2.6.21 and up :) |
| 07:49.59 | L4m3r | in fact, I'd venture to say most of the standard KDE apps are better than their GNOME counterparts... |
| 07:50.08 | jude- | ~KDE++ |
| 07:50.16 | L4m3r | but GTK is *much* more widely used that Qt, so it evens out I guess |
| 07:50.25 | L4m3r | s/that/than/ |
| 07:50.33 | jude- | Qt uses less memory, though |
| 07:50.41 | L4m3r | and it also doesn't look like ass |
| 07:50.43 | L4m3r | :) |
| 07:50.53 | jude- | and it's GPL-ed, so any progs that use it must also be GPL'ed :) |
| 07:51.01 | jude- | as opposed to LGPL-ed |
| 07:51.17 | jude- | Free Software ftw :) |
| 07:51.59 | jude- | ...not that I have any problem with BZFlag's use of the LGPL license, of course :) |
| 07:53.04 | jude- | I just personally prefer GPL to LGPL |
| 07:54.41 | jude- | L4m3r: why dreamhost? |
| 07:54.47 | AWOSLappy | ~KDE++ |
| 07:54.51 | AWOSLappy | ~fvwm++ |
| 07:54.55 | AWOSLappy | fvwm pwns everything. |
| 07:54.58 | L4m3r | jude-: because it was cheap |
| 07:55.00 | AWOSLappy | urxvt and gvim. |
| 07:55.02 | AWOSLappy | tada. |
| 07:55.36 | L4m3r | I was originally going to go with HostMonster but discovered that they do not allow profanity or other "offensive" content |
| 07:55.59 | jude- | L4m3r: why not just a normal blog-hosting site for weekly progress reports? |
| 07:56.10 | jude- | ~fvwm-crystal++ |
| 07:56.14 | L4m3r | oh, heh, I use it for other stuff |
| 07:56.18 | jude- | fvwm-crystal pwns fvwm :) |
| 07:56.24 | jude- | ahh |
| 07:56.40 | jude- | what else would you need it for? |
| 07:56.42 | L4m3r | primarily goforumyourself.com, which is down atm... |
| 07:56.56 | L4m3r | stupid server |
| 07:57.12 | jude- | why not just set your own up? |
| 07:57.22 | L4m3r | spare computer died |
| 07:57.24 | L4m3r | :P |
| 07:57.31 | jude- | that's problematic |
| 07:57.48 | L4m3r | and, you know, it'd be an issue if the website were to get enough traffic |
| 07:58.04 | L4m3r | UCLA dorms have lots of bandwidth but they'll take notice if you whore it out too much |
| 07:58.09 | jude- | you could make the URL really, really obscure and tell only the BZFlag devs :) |
| 07:58.22 | AWOSLappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:58.38 | AWOSLappy | L4m3rsWeeklyProgressReportsThatOnlyBZFlagDevsShouldKnowAbout.com |
| 07:58.47 | L4m3r | oh, sure, by why go through all that if I've already got a webhost (which is really a necessity for a vBulletin-based forum)? |
| 07:58.49 | jude- | and you can do things that piss google off enough to prevent their webcrawler from listing your site :) |
| 07:59.06 | AWOSLappy | <font color="white">GOOGLESPAM GOOGLESPAM GOOGLESPAM</font> |
| 07:59.15 | jude- | yup |
| 07:59.17 | jude- | that's one way :) |
| 07:59.31 | AWOSLappy | hehe |
| 08:00.07 | AWOSLappy | hehe |
| 08:00.28 | AWOSLappy | <a href="http://spam.com">CLICKKKKK MEEEEEEEE!!!!11111oneoneoneone</a> |
| 08:00.28 | jude- | that's the number 1 way--put lots of irrelevant text on the page that users can't see but the webcrawler can :) |
| 08:00.34 | AWOSLappy | jude-: exactly. |
| 08:00.48 | jude- | what's wrong with it? |
| 08:00.52 | AWOSLappy | knee? |
| 08:00.55 | L4m3r | I bashed it on a bicycle |
| 08:01.01 | jude- | ouch |
| 08:01.18 | L4m3r | broke my bike earlier... the rear derailer came off :P |
| 08:01.37 | AWOSLappy | Oooof. |
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| 08:01.39 | AWOSLappy | You were that guy. |
| 08:01.39 | AWOSLappy | Owie. |
| 08:01.45 | jude- | AWOSLappy: you saw it? |
| 08:01.51 | L4m3r | so I was riding my gf's bike, which happens to have MUCH better brakes than mine |
| 08:02.05 | AWOSLappy | jude-: no...in other channel :P |
| 08:02.15 | jude- | I see |
| 08:02.42 | L4m3r | I dismounted forward, kicking my right leg over in front of me... easy to do with a women's frame |
| 08:03.12 | jude- | ...and you hit your knee against the frame while braking? |
| 08:03.21 | L4m3r | as I did so, I started braking, but squeezed too hard (being used to my crappy brakes), stopped to quickly, and hit my knee against the stem |
| 08:03.33 | AWOSLappy | owwwwwwie |
| 08:03.34 | jude- | yikes |
| 08:04.00 | L4m3r | it doesn't seem too bad, probably a bruise. But, you know how knees are >_< |
| 08:04.12 | L4m3r | being on my feet for eight hours takes a toll as it is |
| 08:05.19 | L4m3r | ....though, if it IS that bad, assuming I can hobble my way to work, there's all the ice and clingwrap I'll ever need, lol |
| 08:05.30 | jude- | heh |
| 08:06.05 | L4m3r | Purity Wrap is amazing stuff. we wrap our dish carts in it (in several layers) to prevent rogue dishes from falling out. |
| 08:09.49 | L4m3r | YES, server LIVES |
| 08:10.33 | jude- | yay |
| 08:11.00 | L4m3r | wahoo... http://l4m3r.bzflag.org updated, bedtime... work in 6 hours |
| 08:11.07 | L4m3r | er |
| 08:11.17 | L4m3r | http://l4m3r.bzflag.org/gsoc |
| 08:11.50 | jude- | you spelled "ficing" wrong |
| 08:12.16 | L4m3r | doh |
| 08:12.54 | L4m3r | ficed :P |
| 08:13.12 | jude- | lol |
| 08:14.30 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03judecn * r14730 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (9 files in 6 dirs): |
| 08:14.31 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Added "angle" key support to cones (i.e. so you can have sectors of cones), added framework for cone configuration dialog, |
| 08:14.31 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: modified MasterConfigurationDialog to accept additional object configuration options. |
| 08:16.54 | jude- | well, it looks like BZWB won't be beta on time :/ |
| 08:17.10 | jude- | a week from now, maybe |
| 08:17.47 | jude- | ...and BZFlag handles "spin" matrices in a weird manner |
| 08:18.16 | jude- | sorry everyone |
| 08:18.49 | L4m3r | s'ok. I won't have time to do mapping until the SoC is over anyway XD |
| 08:20.33 | L4m3r | gl, jude- (and daxxar and Epyon)... time to SLEEP |
| 08:20.46 | AWOSLappy | nn L4m3r |
| 08:20.56 | AWOSLappy | jude-: being a week late is nothing to be ashamed of. |
| 08:21.53 | jude- | well...my timeline says that all priority 1 features will be implemented by now :/ |
| 08:22.09 | jude- | i.e. all objects working, most editor features working, etc. |
| 08:22.12 | AWOSLappy | okay. |
| 08:22.18 | AWOSLappy | welcome to real-world programming. |
| 08:22.23 | AWOSLappy | timelines are guidelines. |
| 08:22.25 | AWOSLappy | not truth. |
| 08:22.28 | jude- | heck, I don't even have cones fully working yet |
| 08:22.34 | AWOSLappy | anyways, I need sleep too. |
| 08:22.36 | AWOSLappy | nn jude- :) |
| 08:22.41 | jude- | nn AWOSLappy |
| 08:22.42 | AWOSLappy | you're doing a good job :) |
| 08:22.46 | jude- | thanks :) |
| 08:22.50 | AWOSLappy | :) |
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| 10:33.53 | ibot | pimpi is currently on #bzflag (23h 30m 56s) #kierra (23h 30m 56s) ##ducleague (23h 30m 56s) #dub (23h 30m 56s) #silvercat (23h 30m 56s) ##essy (23h 30m 56s), last said: 'you will have lag/jitter problems not only while shooting others, but when being shot. I?d hate it to see the bullet pass my tank and being killed anyways ... |
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| 18:32.05 | Winny | trepan, what is the name of the project your working on now? |
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| 19:11.09 | Epyon | I need a question answered on BZF collision detection... |
| 19:11.29 | AAA_awright | Epyon: BZFS doesn't do it |
| 19:11.39 | Winny | BZF = bzflag |
| 19:12.02 | AAA_awright | bzfs = bzflag server |
| 19:12.08 | Winny | indeed |
| 19:12.11 | Winny | but he said BZF |
| 19:12.17 | Epyon | O.o |
| 19:13.07 | AAA_awright | Sorry, what is your question now? |
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| 19:13.27 | Epyon | Is this a valid BZW mesh? http://chaosforge.org/files/mesh.jpg |
| 19:13.39 | Epyon | Each quad represents... a quad o.O |
| 19:14.16 | Epyon | Question is wether the collision detection or in/out algo wont choke on that. |
| 19:16.03 | AAA_awright | I see 32 triangles |
| 19:16.20 | AAA_awright | Dunno what that means to bzflag |
| 19:17.31 | L4m3r | Epyon: what specifically has you concerned? I see nothing wrong with it |
| 19:18.09 | L4m3r | ...though perhaps it would be best to combine the coplanar faces, unless you need them separate like that for texturing |
| 19:19.27 | Epyon | I mean that the middle wall vertices are connected only to the vertical walls not the horizontal ones. |
| 19:19.42 | Epyon | I don;t know how collision detection works, so I'm worried. |
| 19:19.54 | AAA_awright | Seperate the top into four polygons? |
| 19:20.23 | Epyon | I could, but that way I'll have a lot more coding and a LOT more polys o.O |
| 19:21.02 | daxxar | I see 20 tris, where do you get the last 12, AAA_awright? |
| 19:21.18 | daxxar | top + bottom is 2 + 2 tris, innit, and each side is 4? |
| 19:21.39 | AAA_awright | top and bottom get 8 if all vertices's must be points |
| 19:21.57 | AAA_awright | 20 if not |
| 19:22.10 | Epyon | AAA_awright, that's the whole point -- I want to use 2 tris for the top. |
| 19:23.05 | L4m3r | Epyon, it should be fine. As long as there aren't gaps in the mesh, collision detection seems to work |
| 19:23.09 | L4m3r | in my experience anyway |
| 19:23.35 | AAA_awright | No, not all vertices must be on points, it can coincidently lie along an edge, so L4m3r you are right |
| 19:23.47 | L4m3r | I don't think there's anything wrong with having a T-shaped seam, aside from a possible waste of polys |
| 19:23.59 | Epyon | Great, that makes my current work SOOO easier -_- |
| 19:24.27 | Epyon | cd brlcad |
| 19:24.27 | Epyon | damn, wrong window :D |
| 19:24.30 | L4m3r | ~ww |
| 19:24.31 | ibot | Wrong Window. |
| 19:25.13 | Erroneous | you should read what you tab-complete anyway, it might not be what you expect even IN the right window ;) |
| 19:25.42 | awilcox | lol |
| 19:25.42 | Epyon | lol :D |
| 19:25.50 | awilcox | cd brlcad...that's classic |
| 19:25.57 | KTL | the only argument against T's i can think of is what datastructure to use when you need the triangles at both sides of an edge |
| 19:26.11 | Epyon | KTL? |
| 19:26.30 | KTL | doesn't matter here i think |
| 19:27.04 | Epyon | Aaah, no worries, the algos are all iterative into more detail, so I don't worry about the bigger picture then. |
| 19:27.16 | Epyon | Unless collision detection uses that o.O |
| 19:31.20 | Erroneous | awilcox: actually I was making a rather blatant assumption that he hadn't typed it out...he might have had brl-cad installed, for all I know (just didn't seem anywhere near as likely as the tabcomplete scenario) |
| 19:32.40 | Erroneous | Epyon: it'll be an interesting test to see how bzwb handles meshes like that, too...might want to send one to jude- ;) |
| 19:33.33 | awilcox | Erroneous: hehe |
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| 19:33.59 | Epyon | Erroneous, hopefully I'll have one to test in < 4h :) |
| 19:34.05 | Erroneous | cool :) |
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| 19:34.38 | Epyon | "typedef float Vertex[3];" that's why I thing C/C++ is illogical -_- |
| 19:35.10 | awilcox | O_o? |
| 19:35.16 | awilcox | That's not even valid C, afaict |
| 19:35.32 | L4m3r | oops |
| 19:35.34 | L4m3r | C++ is perfectly logical. If you disagree, it is YOU who is illogical. :P |
| 19:35.47 | Erroneous | awilcox: sure it is |
| 19:36.10 | awilcox | um. |
| 19:36.11 | Erroneous | and yeah, it doesn't necessarily make a whole lot of sense :) |
| 19:36.22 | awilcox | but he's making a typedef from a single float into a Vertex array |
| 19:36.32 | awilcox | wouldn't it be typedef float[3] Vertex; ? |
| 19:36.36 | Erroneous | awilcox: that's why he says he thinks it's illogical |
| 19:36.37 | Erroneous | and no |
| 19:37.12 | Epyon | That's the point awilcox, you'rs seems logical. The one I wrote it "right" o.O |
| 19:37.20 | awilcox | Epyon :P |
| 19:38.04 | Epyon | And "type Vertex = array[0..2] of Float " is SOOOOO much more logical -_- |
| 19:38.44 | daxxar | struct Vertex { float operator[](int i) {..} }; |
| 19:38.57 | Epyon | WTF? |
| 19:39.36 | KTL | lol |
| 19:39.59 | daxxar | What? ;-) |
| 19:40.39 | Erroneous | Epyon: even more fun when you get to stuff like typedef int (*a10ptoa5i[10])[5]; |
| 19:41.06 | Epyon | Yeah I know. That's why I write in FreePascal -_- |
| 19:41.07 | Erroneous | an array of 10 pointers to arrays of five integers each :) |
| 19:41.29 | daxxar | What was so WTF about my C++, Epyon? |
| 19:42.33 | KTL | the typedef would be like "typedef float function_call()" then ? what could that mean? |
| 19:43.01 | awilcox | Erroneous: :O that's VALID? |
| 19:43.13 | Erroneous | awilcox: yup |
| 19:43.15 | Epyon | matref mat0 / face .. / matref mat1 / endface / face .. / XXX / endface |
| 19:43.26 | awilcox | what dialect of C++ is THAT? |
| 19:43.26 | Epyon | Will XXX be mat1 or mat0 ? |
| 19:43.34 | Erroneous | awilcox: ISO |
| 19:44.04 | awilcox | Erroneous: See this is why I don't program C++. |
| 19:44.06 | awilcox | Too complicated. |
| 19:44.09 | awilcox | C89 ftw. |
| 19:44.15 | Erroneous | it's valid C also |
| 19:44.16 | Epyon | FP FTW :P |
| 19:44.37 | awilcox | *a10ptoa5i[10] |
| 19:44.42 | awilcox | that's what I don't understand |
| 19:45.21 | awilcox | a = 10; p - a = 5 * i; |
| 19:45.21 | awilcox | ? |
| 19:45.45 | KTL | could the string "(*a10ptoa5i[10])[5]" become a type without it being parsed? |
| 19:45.46 | awilcox | define one and I can solve for the other one |
| 19:45.47 | blast007 | a search for "a10ptoa5i" on google gives 4 results ;) |
| 19:46.01 | awilcox | blast007: :o |
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| 19:46.38 | Erroneous | awilcox: it is exactly what I said...an array of 10 pointers, each of which points to an array of five integers |
| 19:46.43 | Epyon | If I would like to play with such expressions I'd choode perl anyway -_- |
| 19:47.04 | Erroneous | Epyon: I like perl :) |
| 19:47.14 | awilcox | perl fins i. |
| 19:47.16 | awilcox | er |
| 19:47.18 | awilcox | perl is fine. |
| 19:47.22 | Epyon | Erroneous, so do I, but just for text processing :P |
| 19:47.34 | Epyon | For batchwork I use Ruby instead. |
| 19:48.16 | awilcox | perl makes great log parsers |
| 19:48.35 | awilcox | perl findcrackers.pl /var/log/auth.log |
| 19:48.36 | awilcox | :P |
| 19:52.34 | KTL | an array of 10 pointers to arrays of 5 ints |
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| 19:56.03 | Epyon | When you include functions it gets even more fun -_- : typedef float (*(*(*fp)())[10])(); |
| 19:57.43 | awilcox | that's kinda logical |
| 19:57.45 | awilcox | needs spacing. |
| 19:57.52 | KTL | so stupid that google does not like most of those chars |
| 19:58.16 | awilcox | typedef float ( *( *( *fp )() )[10]) (); |
| 19:58.29 | awilcox | the (*fp)() is the actual function (fp = Function Pointer) |
| 19:58.50 | awilcox | the *( )[10] means an array of 10 function pointers |
| 19:59.06 | awilcox | though I really don't understand that other *() or the () at the end |
| 19:59.40 | awilcox | wait |
| 19:59.42 | awilcox | I counted wrong |
| 20:00.08 | awilcox | *(*fp)() = function pointer |
| 20:00.28 | awilcox | *( ^ )[10] = 10 arrays of said fps |
| 20:00.37 | awilcox | ( ^ )() = unknown |
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| 20:00.59 | awilcox | Winny! |
| 20:01.04 | CBG` | Winny! |
| 20:01.20 | Winny | bleh :( |
| 20:01.34 | awilcox | Winny: be happy! |
| 20:01.39 | CBG` | Winny! |
| 20:01.40 | awilcox | :D |
| 20:02.53 | brlcad | for me, it's nearly just as likely that I'd really meany cd bryjen or cd brlcad :) |
| 20:06.12 | awilcox | brlcad: so br is a prefix? |
| 20:06.43 | awilcox | Bzflag Repo committer? |
| 20:06.45 | awilcox | BR? |
| 20:06.49 | brlcad | brl-cad's source tarball/checkout expands to 'brlcad' |
| 20:07.02 | awilcox | brlcad: ahh. so you are a software? |
| 20:07.04 | brlcad | which I do work on (so it's pretty likely) |
| 20:08.28 | Epyon | You gotta love recursive people. |
| 20:08.43 | awilcox | Epyon: ? |
| 20:09.12 | Epyon | Self-referential even :P |
| 20:09.18 | awilcox | hehe |
| 20:10.01 | awilcox | :O |
| 20:10.05 | awilcox | it's getting dark outside |
| 20:10.32 | Epyon | awilcox, where are you? |
| 20:10.45 | awilcox | Epyon: somewhere in the southern United States. why? |
| 20:11.34 | Epyon | And it's getting dark already? o.O |
| 20:11.46 | awilcox | Epyon: >_> it's a thunderstorm. |
| 20:11.49 | awilcox | a bad one at that. |
| 20:12.02 | awilcox | looks nasty. as in, it can take out the server. |
| 20:12.03 | Epyon | Aaaah thuunderstorm ^_^ |
| 20:12.06 | blast007 | activate the anti-rain force field! |
| 20:12.17 | awilcox | blast007: Ooooh where do I get one?! |
| 20:12.23 | blast007 | oh noes! it's shorting out! who forget to install the GFCI outlet! |
| 20:12.38 | awilcox | Epyon: I'm scared of it. it takes out my computer and all my datas. |
| 20:12.42 | awilcox | blast007: I have on. |
| 20:12.44 | awilcox | *one |
| 20:12.49 | blast007 | :) |
| 20:12.51 | awilcox | blast007: In fact, it worked today. |
| 20:13.07 | awilcox | mum was using the hair dryer and POP goes the GFCI |
| 20:13.11 | awilcox | Hair dryer dead. |
| 20:13.18 | awilcox | But not mum. |
| 20:13.21 | awilcox | Which is the point. |
| 20:16.06 | awilcox | Aieeeeeeee |
| 20:16.12 | awilcox | I saw a flash through the window |
| 20:16.13 | awilcox | scary |
| 20:23.55 | Epyon | Any STL users here? :/ |
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| 20:24.58 | awilcox | Epyon: Standard Type Library? |
| 20:25.56 | Epyon | Template |
| 20:26.06 | awilcox | nup |
| 20:26.08 | awilcox | no clue |
| 20:26.21 | awilcox | I know what it stands for. nothing else. |
| 20:26.27 | awilcox | MFC/ATL/STL is ugly |
| 20:28.10 | daxxar | Epyon: Any error to go on? |
| 20:31.45 | Epyon | daxxar, pm |
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| 20:35.42 | Epyon | That's why I hate C++ |
| 20:35.48 | Epyon | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.48 | Epyon | paintjob |
| 20:35.58 | Epyon | paintjob? o.O |
| 20:38.16 | awilcox | paintjob? huh? |
| 20:39.51 | Epyon | typedef float Vertex[3]; |
| 20:39.51 | Epyon | int main(void) { |
| 20:39.51 | Epyon | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.51 | Epyon | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.51 | Epyon | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.51 | Epyon | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.53 | Epyon | } |
| 20:39.57 | Epyon | (by daxxar) |
| 20:40.04 | Epyon | Looks legal, right? |
| 20:40.08 | Epyon | But doesn't work. |
| 20:40.57 | daxxar | It's because arrays are not copyable or assignable. ;-) |
| 20:41.04 | daxxar | (I checked it out) |
| 20:41.25 | daxxar | Anyway |
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| 20:41.36 | daxxar | Try struct Vertex { float x, y, z; } |
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| 20:42.05 | Epyon | daxxar, that'll work, but it'll be ugly -_- |
| 20:44.47 | daxxar | struct Vertex { Vertex(float _x, float _y, float _z) :x(_x), y(_y), z(_z) {}; Vertex(float v[3]) :x(v[0]), y(v[1]), z(v[2]) {}; void set(float v[3]) { x = v[0], y = v[1], z = v[2]; } void set(float _x, float _y, float _z) { x = _x, y = _y, z = _z; } float &operator[](int i) { switch (i) { case 0: return x; case 1: return y; case 2: return z; default: /* THROW ERROR? */ return 0.0f; } } }; |
| 20:45.39 | awilcox | daxxar: pardon me, but wtf!? |
| 20:46.03 | Epyon | awilcox, actually that's what I needed, BIG thanks daxxar :D |
| 20:46.14 | Epyon | ~daxxar++ |
| 20:46.24 | daxxar | Try this: http://rafb.net/p/qWvmLh19.html |
| 20:46.34 | awilcox | Epyon: <ibot> Someone just said that 2 seconds ago |
| 20:46.54 | daxxar | A bit nicer formatting, and as an additional bonus - it works. |
| 20:47.14 | daxxar | Sorry, even writing one-line classes get a bit challenging after a certain amount of wine. |
| 20:47.16 | Epyon | tried it with that vector program? |
| 20:47.20 | daxxar | Nope |
| 20:47.25 | daxxar | That's uncompiled on my end. ;-) |
| 20:47.25 | awilcox | daxxar: lol |
| 20:47.52 | Epyon | I need to drink a beer to compile it then. |
| 20:48.00 | awilcox | Epyon: lol |
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| 20:48.20 | Epyon | I hope that there's a proper typecast from wine to beer implemented. |
| 20:48.21 | daxxar | Btw, change '0.0f' to 'x' |
| 20:49.09 | Epyon | FreePascal's "objects" were just what I needed :) |
| 20:49.18 | daxxar | If you change the 'Vertex a'-line to Vertex a(1, 2, 3);, it should work |
| 20:49.31 | awilcox | Epyon: yes, they are both derived from CAlcohol. |
| 20:49.41 | daxxar | And you probably want to rename it to Vector3d or something senseful. |
| 20:50.05 | daxxar | awilcox: Isn't Alcohol an interface? ;-) |
| 20:50.14 | awilcox | daxxar: hmm, you're right |
| 20:50.15 | daxxar | (Since you can't have pure alcohol, at least not for any practical purposes) |
| 20:50.17 | Epyon | ~daxxar++ |
| 20:50.24 | awilcox | s/CAlcohol/IAlcohol/ |
| 20:50.24 | daxxar | ~karma |
| 20:50.24 | ibot | daxxar has karma of 15 |
| 20:50.29 | awilcox | :D |
| 20:50.34 | daxxar | Wow, I'm picking up the pace! |
| 20:50.43 | Epyon | ~karma |
| 20:50.43 | ibot | epyon has karma of 12 |
| 20:50.54 | daxxar | ~Epyon++ # For beering |
| 20:50.55 | Epyon | When did that accumulate o.O |
| 20:50.59 | daxxar | ~karma Epyon |
| 20:50.59 | ibot | epyon has karma of 12 |
| 20:51.04 | daxxar | Hm, no comment-support |
| 20:51.08 | daxxar | ~Epyon++ |
| 20:51.09 | awilcox | hehe |
| 20:51.18 | awilcox | ~daxxar++ |
| 20:51.21 | awilcox | ~Epyon++ |
| 20:51.26 | awilcox | ~caffiene++ |
| 20:51.27 | daxxar | ~awilcox++ |
| 20:51.29 | awilcox | ~C++ |
| 20:51.33 | awilcox | :P |
| 20:51.35 | daxxar | (for the wtf's, I take it as a compliment to my code) |
| 20:51.46 | awilcox | hehe, yes daxxar, that was some amazing one-liner |
| 20:51.53 | Epyon | ~ibot++ |
| 20:51.58 | daxxar | Oh, hm. |
| 20:52.00 | Epyon | ~karma ibot |
| 20:52.00 | ibot | ibot has karma of 24 |
| 20:52.02 | Epyon | :D |
| 20:52.02 | awilcox | :) |
| 20:52.05 | awilcox | ~karma jbot |
| 20:52.05 | ibot | jbot has karma of 24 |
| 20:52.10 | awilcox | hehe, the bots are linked |
| 20:52.25 | daxxar | Let me tweak that code a bit, Epyon |
| 20:52.33 | awilcox | ~karma awilcox |
| 20:52.33 | ibot | awilcox has karma of 8 |
| 20:52.37 | awilcox | \o/ |
| 20:53.14 | Epyon | ~awilcox++ |
| 20:53.21 | awilcox | :D |
| 20:53.32 | awilcox | Yeah, I got no karma for contributing an icon |
| 20:55.17 | awilcox | hehe |
| 20:55.29 | daxxar | Try this, http://rafb.net/p/kFLAs594.html |
| 20:56.02 | Epyon | daxxar what's the diff? |
| 20:56.31 | Epyon | zero constructor, = operator ? |
| 20:57.07 | daxxar | set is implemented a bit better. I was hoping to allow for Vector3d foo = {1, 2, 3}; |
| 20:57.11 | daxxar | But it doesn't work, it seems. |
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| 21:00.36 | Epyon | Aaah, no need to rewrite the IAlcohol -- I found a half full bottle of red wine behind the printer. |
| 21:00.55 | daxxar | Good shtuff! |
| 21:01.07 | awilcox | lol |
| 21:01.09 | daxxar | Seems there's no way to make foo = {1,2,3} work |
| 21:01.20 | awilcox | how does one even PUT a bottle of red wine behind a printer? |
| 21:01.24 | daxxar | So just take the set()-changes and the empty initializer. |
| 21:01.36 | daxxar | Hiding it from SWMBO? |
| 21:02.20 | Epyon | daxxar, why is the new one better? |
| 21:02.40 | Epyon | Imho it just introduces an unneccessary function jump? |
| 21:03.12 | daxxar | It'll most likely be inlined by your compiler in any case. |
| 21:03.25 | daxxar | You can use the inline keyword on both if it makes you feel any better. ;-) |
| 21:03.33 | daxxar | Anyway, the empty initializer is slightly useful. |
| 21:11.23 | Epyon | daxxar, you ressurected my faith in C++ :P |
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| 21:11.34 | awilcox | daxxar: SWMBO? |
| 21:11.39 | awilcox | Some Window Manager's Body Odor? |
| 21:11.45 | daxxar | Epyon: Pleasure. :-) |
| 21:11.50 | daxxar | She Who Must Be Obeyed. ;-) |
| 21:11.54 | daxxar | I <3 C++ |
| 21:11.55 | awilcox | daxxar: ahh. |
| 21:12.06 | awilcox | you mean, gf / wifey? |
| 21:12.20 | daxxar | There's a reason I enjoy working on BZRobots, apart from the technical challenge and cool goal. ;-) |
| 21:12.24 | daxxar | awilcox: Correct |
| 21:12.28 | awilcox | daxxar: ahh. |
| 21:12.33 | daxxar | Some use the term 'better half' or 'the dragon' |
| 21:12.38 | awilcox | better half. hehe. |
| 21:12.39 | awilcox | yes. |
| 21:12.58 | daxxar | My father is a great fan of the term 'the dragon', atleast he used to be when they were separated ;-) |
| 21:13.01 | Epyon | daxxar, anyway, you made a big mistake with that :P |
| 21:13.08 | daxxar | Epyon: Oh? |
| 21:13.31 | Epyon | daxxar, now I will poke you around whenever I get angry on something other not working xP |
| 21:14.31 | daxxar | Epyon: haha |
| 21:14.41 | daxxar | Epyon: I like helping, but if I'm in a foul mood, i |
| 21:14.48 | daxxar | I'll most likely just ignore your inquiries. ;-) |
| 21:14.58 | Epyon | I'll pay in booze -_- |
| 21:15.01 | daxxar | Woot! |
| 21:15.14 | daxxar | Hah, booze in poland is so cheap, ;-) |
| 21:15.31 | daxxar | If you do the tax / smuggling and get it home to me, I'll agree. :P |
| 21:15.40 | awilcox | hehe |
| 21:15.55 | Epyon | daxxar, nah, you'll have to pick it up yourself :P |
| 21:16.33 | Epyon | daxxar, when a Pole offers booze for something, he usualy expects to drink it with the person that was rewarded :P |
| 21:16.40 | daxxar | Hehe |
| 21:16.49 | daxxar | A friend of mine studies medicine in .pl |
| 21:16.53 | daxxar | (don't ask me where, I always forget) |
| 21:18.25 | Epyon | Yeah it compiled ^_^ |
| 21:18.44 | daxxar | \o/ |
| 21:18.54 | daxxar | C++ is powerful |
| 21:18.58 | daxxar | But it can be hard to comprehend |
| 21:20.27 | Epyon | how do I check what will be commited with svn? |
| 21:21.12 | daxxar | svns tat |
| 21:21.14 | daxxar | svn stat* |
| 21:21.25 | daxxar | 'C' means conflicted (needs to be resolved before commit) |
| 21:21.33 | daxxar | 'M' means modified (local changes) |
| 21:21.45 | daxxar | 'A' / 'D' means added / deleted (respectively) |
| 21:22.04 | daxxar | '?' means file not versioned, but not ignored either. (Will not be committed) |
| 21:22.15 | daxxar | Remember to svn up before you svn ci |
| 21:22.35 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r14731 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (bzlgen.vcproj common.h): Data structures for meshes added (thanks daxxar!) |
| 21:22.55 | daxxar | Yay, I'm credited in a commit :D |
| 21:23.44 | Epyon | Now let's get that mesh rollin' |
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| 22:00.34 | Epyon | daxxar, how is _your_ project going? |
| 22:01.00 | awilcox | Epyon: from the code, it's coming along, but he can answer better than me |
| 22:01.42 | daxxar | awilcox: Are you monitoring it? ;-) |
| 22:01.55 | awilcox | daxxar: no, I just read CIA-3 :P |
| 22:01.58 | daxxar | Epyon: It loads and executes .so's, basic events implemented. |
| 22:02.47 | Epyon | How far are you compared to initial schedule? |
| 22:10.50 | daxxar | Epyon: Huum |
| 22:10.55 | daxxar | Hard to say, a lot of the design has changed |
| 22:11.20 | daxxar | But I'm almost done with my 3rd out of 5 milestones |
| 22:11.28 | daxxar | 4th milestone: Integrate an interpreter / VM into the “frontend”, loading a static script and running a static method at a static time (e.g. hello_world as the client starts). |
| 22:11.32 | daxxar | 5th milestone: Port the API to SWIG & make the VM / interpreter run a script which implements the API and call a few functions to test. |
| 22:11.38 | daxxar | Those are obviously quite big, though. |
| 22:12.01 | daxxar | I reckon I'll atleast have a fully functional C++ API (for ".so"-s) by the end of GSoC. |
| 22:12.27 | daxxar | I hope to have finished atleast the groundwork on my first interpreter/VM |
| 22:12.30 | Epyon | I'm waaaay behind schedule, and needed to scale down my goals ;( |
| 22:12.44 | daxxar | I'm not exactly ahead of my schedule either. :-/ |
| 22:13.15 | daxxar | But I'm planning on finishing the initial milestones, wether or not it's during GSoC (even if they deny my second paycheck) :-) |
| 22:13.20 | daxxar | 'tis very interesting and fun. |
| 22:13.29 | daxxar | Do you post your updates somewhere? |
| 22:13.33 | daxxar | ~daxxar |
| 22:14.28 | Epyon | I started a blog recently |
| 22:14.28 | Epyon | actually yesterday xP |
| 22:14.28 | daxxar | :-) |
| 22:14.28 | daxxar | ~Epyon |
| 22:15.00 | ibot | from memory, epyon is chaos-dev. "Epyon" was taken. |
| 22:15.00 | daxxar | ~jude- |
| 22:15.09 | ibot | it has been said that jude- is an all around great guy who's working on BZWorkbench as his Google Summer of Code project for BZFlag. see also #bzflag or http://bzworkbench.wordpress.com/ |
| 22:15.13 | Epyon | ibot's broken? |
| 22:15.13 | awilcox | ~heyjude |
| 22:15.15 | ibot | Hey, Jude-, go ahead and make it bad. |
| 22:15.15 | daxxar | ~L4m3r |
| 22:15.16 | ibot | [l4m3r] Gnurdux's BEST FRIEND |
| 22:15.16 | awilcox | ~lart himself |
| 22:15.16 | ibot | cuts off himself's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper |
| 22:15.16 | Epyon | ~karma Epyon |
| 22:15.17 | ibot | epyon has karma of 14 |
| 22:15.17 | daxxar | H. |
| 22:15.17 | daxxar | Hm. |
| 22:15.17 | awilcox | Dead bot. |
| 22:15.17 | Epyon | PANIC! |
| 22:15.17 | awilcox | jbot is unresponsive as well |
| 22:15.17 | AAA_awright | ~bigredbutton |
| 22:15.18 | ibot | blast007 l4m3r JeffM brlcad: the list server is down |
| 22:15.23 | AAA_awright | lol |
| 22:15.26 | daxxar | Haha |
| 22:15.26 | awilcox | rofl |
| 22:15.34 | AAA_awright | False alarm |
| 22:15.42 | Epyon | loool, PANIC always helps, as does running around in circles :D |
| 22:15.42 | JeffM | dude it goes up and down ALL the time |
| 22:15.49 | JeffM | you don't need to go shouting |
| 22:15.51 | awilcox | Epyon: lol |
| 22:15.57 | L4m3r | lol |
| 22:15.59 | AAA_awright | ~pet ibot |
| 22:17.08 | ibot | ACTION reaches over and pets ibot on the head, saying "There, there! It'll all be ok!" |
| 22:17.29 | awilcox | hehe |
| 22:17.29 | L4m3r | ~factinfo bigredbutton |
| 22:17.29 | ibot | bigredbutton -- created by AAA_awright <n=chatzill@wsip-68-14-251-102.ph.ph.cox.net> at Sun Jul 22 23:27:21 2007 (9 days); it has been requested 9 times, last by AAA_awright, 2m 11s ago. |
| 22:17.29 | daxxar | ~daxxar is working on the new bzrobots as his GSoC project: http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZRobots & http://gsoc.daxxar.com/ & http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code#Programmable_Computer_Player_Client |
| 22:17.29 | ibot | daxxar: okay |
| 22:17.29 | Epyon | is there a way to commit just 2 files? |
| 22:17.30 | JeffM | yeah |
| 22:17.30 | Epyon | If more were changed? |
| 22:17.30 | JeffM | sure |
| 22:17.30 | daxxar | svn ci file1 file2 |
| 22:17.30 | JeffM | command line? |
| 22:17.30 | Epyon | thx |
| 22:17.30 | JeffM | yeah specify the files |
| 22:17.30 | AAA_awright | Ditto |
| 22:17.30 | daxxar | You can do the same for directories. |
| 22:17.39 | daxxar | That's not atomic commits. :-) |
| 22:17.43 | AAA_awright | ~fix ibot |
| 22:17.44 | ibot | ACTION opens the hood of ibot , looks inside and says "that'll be 500 dollars." |
| 22:17.46 | daxxar | (but you need -N if you only e.g. want to commit the directory add or the directory properties) |
| 22:17.55 | awilcox | rofl |
| 22:17.59 | daxxar | Atomic commits is (AFAIK) that if your operation fails halfway through, the repo isn't changed at all. |
| 22:18.12 | Epyon | daxxar, http://bzflag.chaosforge.org/ |
| 22:18.26 | daxxar | I.e. that operations are atomic - like atomic operations in threaded models. |
| 22:18.47 | daxxar | Your blog looks way better than mine. :-( |
| 22:18.58 | Epyon | Yyyh, I meant atomic coding :P |
| 22:19.46 | Epyon | daxxar, I'm a sucker for presentation. You can't imagine how much time I wasted to find a suitable theme and change it to my needs -_- |
| 22:19.53 | daxxar | ^_^ |
| 22:19.57 | awilcox | :D |
| 22:20.09 | daxxar | I just found a default one I didn't dislike, and used it - stock version. ;-) |
| 22:20.31 | daxxar | Anyway, your project is way more technically challenging than mine, so I guess that makes up for it. :-) |
| 22:20.44 | Epyon | I needed to change mine, or else people would think I was coding in Python. |
| 22:20.53 | Epyon | It had a photo of a big snake -_- |
| 22:20.58 | daxxar | ^_^ |
| 22:23.47 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r14732 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (Mesh.cxx Mesh.h): Introducing Mesh object... (finally -_-) |
| 22:23.58 | daxxar | You forgot svn add? ;P |
| 22:24.30 | Epyon | Nah, I ommited it on purpose because it didn't compile then. |
| 22:24.37 | Epyon | But I forgot it now :P |
| 22:25.55 | daxxar | Ok :-) |
| 22:34.53 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r14733 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (8 files): Materials are now int names instead of string names |
| 22:35.53 | Epyon | Commiting is fuuuuun ^_^ |
| 22:35.57 | daxxar | ^_^ |
| 22:36.05 | daxxar | Your alias is now on the internets, FOREVAR |
| 22:36.07 | Epyon | Someone slap me once I start to abuse it. |
| 22:42.15 | Epyon | push_back should return the index -_- |
| 22:43.36 | daxxar | Just use foo = vector.push_back(bar), vector.size(); |
| 22:43.36 | daxxar | ;-) |
| 22:43.43 | daxxar | vector.size() - 1; |
| 22:44.16 | Epyon | Nah I'll add a addVertex function that returns the index. |
| 22:44.30 | daxxar | Add to what? |
| 22:44.34 | daxxar | Oh, nevermind me. :-) |
| 22:48.06 | Epyon | Okay, first greater challenge today - ID4 extrudeFace(int fid, float amount); |
| 22:49.14 | Epyon | Damn, I need vector ops after all -_- |
| 22:50.16 | daxxar | Ha ha! |
| 22:51.08 | Epyon | I guess that struct of yours is prone for extending :) |
| 22:51.27 | daxxar | I guess that makes me a Bad Person. :-( |
| 22:51.39 | Epyon | Nah, it's perfect :) |
| 22:51.50 | daxxar | I'm being ironic. :-P |
| 22:51.53 | daxxar | Sorry |
| 22:52.11 | Epyon | I absolutely DIDN'T want to make Vertexes/Vectors into classes. |
| 22:52.34 | daxxar | Why not? |
| 22:54.04 | Epyon | it hurts my optimization soul :P |
| 22:54.18 | Epyon | Having pointers everywhere... *shudder* |
| 22:55.50 | daxxar | Haha |
| 22:55.59 | daxxar | This isn't even realtime, you wimp. :-P |
| 22:56.17 | daxxar | Premature optimizations ahoy. ;-) |
| 22:57.09 | daxxar | But you should/could use actual objects (pass-by-value?) instead of references/pointers. |
| 22:57.17 | daxxar | Or use auto_ptr<Vector3d> ;-) |
| 23:00.21 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r14734 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (FloorZone.cxx FloorZone.h GridMap.cxx): FloorZones are finally Mesh based. BuildZone will need a extrude implementation firts. |
| 23:00.51 | Epyon | commits speak louder than words. |
| 23:00.54 | Epyon | xDDDDDD |
| 23:02.07 | daxxar | ^_^ |
| 23:02.42 | Epyon | Maan, I need to write that down, seems like a good maxim xP |
| 23:02.45 | *** join/#bzflag tuxd00d (n=tuxinato@128.187.148.87) |
| 23:06.37 | Winny | ~blast007 |
| 23:06.38 | ibot | blast007 is probably very wacky, or a cheese-stealer |
| 23:06.39 | Winny | err |
| 23:06.41 | Winny | ~blast007++ |
| 23:06.48 | blast007 | ;) |
| 23:07.16 | daxxar | ~daxxar |
| 23:07.16 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, daxxar is working on the new bzrobots as his GSoC project: http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZRobots & http://gsoc.daxxar.com/ & http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code#Programmable_Computer_Player_Client |
| 23:07.23 | daxxar | Hmkay. |
| 23:07.27 | daxxar | ~botsnack |
| 23:07.27 | ibot | aw, gee, daxxar |
| 23:07.32 | Epyon | Any idea how to name add in place and add and give result differently? (add vector that is) |
| 23:07.53 | daxxar | Epyon: What? |
| 23:08.33 | daxxar | ITYM operator+? |
| 23:08.43 | Epyon | void add(Vertex v) vs. Vertex add(Vertex v) |
| 23:09.04 | daxxar | You can't overload based on returntype, sorry. |
| 23:09.15 | daxxar | But you could just make operator+ |
| 23:09.23 | Epyon | yep I know that's why I'm asking gow to name them differently :) |
| 23:09.26 | Epyon | Hmm |
| 23:09.48 | Epyon | daxxar, can you write me your implementation of op+ for that structure? |
| 23:09.54 | Epyon | just + I'll do the rest. |
| 23:09.55 | daxxar | Vertex operator+(const Vector &rhs) { return Vector(x + rhs.x, y + rhs.y, z + rhs.z); } |
| 23:10.01 | daxxar | If you do that |
| 23:10.02 | daxxar | Then you can do: |
| 23:10.15 | Epyon | Why the &? |
| 23:10.15 | daxxar | Vector baz = foo + bar; |
| 23:10.16 | daxxar | Or |
| 23:10.31 | daxxar | Pass by reference is faster ;-) |
| 23:10.37 | daxxar | foo += bar; |
| 23:10.38 | Epyon | kk |
| 23:10.53 | daxxar | Pass by reference is like pass by pointer, except it isn't as nasty. ;-) |
| 23:11.10 | Epyon | I'know, I know ;] |
| 23:11.24 | daxxar | It saves a copy operation to use reference instead of pass-by-value |
| 23:11.31 | daxxar | Anyway, that's what you wanted, right? |
| 23:11.39 | daxxar | foo += bar; and baz = foo + bar; ? |
| 23:11.55 | Epyon | yep |
| 23:12.06 | daxxar | You can do the same for operator- too, which probably is smart. |
| 23:13.30 | Epyon | void add(Vertex v) { x += v[0]; y += v[1]; z += v[2]; } |
| 23:13.35 | Epyon | or use & ? |
| 23:13.50 | Epyon | (this one's in-place) |
| 23:13.56 | daxxar | Why 'add' and not operator+? |
| 23:14.10 | daxxar | Anyway, you should make it void add(const Vertex &v) ... |
| 23:14.18 | Epyon | Sometimes inplace is more clear and useful. |
| 23:14.22 | daxxar | const = because you don't (and shouldn't) modify v, ref because it's faster. |
| 23:14.24 | brlcad | ~daxxar++ |
| 23:14.24 | daxxar | Okaydokay. |
| 23:14.27 | brlcad | ~Epyon++ |
| 23:14.31 | daxxar | Hi brlcad |
| 23:14.37 | brlcad | howdy |
| 23:14.40 | Epyon | brlcad :) |
| 23:14.40 | daxxar | Not working on my code, so that ++ is kinda undeserved. :-/ |
| 23:14.54 | brlcad | you guys have been going at it for a few hours :) |
| 23:14.57 | Epyon | I am, but it's also undeserved xP |
| 23:15.04 | daxxar | Other useful operators to 'just do' is scalar divison/multiplication (Vertex operator/(float v) { return Vector(x/v, y/v, z/v); } and operator*) |
| 23:15.11 | brlcad | doesn't really matter who/what, it's all good stuff :) |
| 23:15.13 | Epyon | but daxxar deserves for helping me out :) |
| 23:15.22 | daxxar | Taking a break from studying |
| 23:15.33 | daxxar | But I can't bring myself to do my own code before after the exams, needs more focus. |
| 23:15.36 | brlcad | hard to not interject :) |
| 23:15.37 | Epyon | daxxar, I'm implementing them on a need to use basis. |
| 23:15.40 | daxxar | Easier to help Epyon, because it's just a bit here and a bit there. |
| 23:15.57 | daxxar | Epyon: Okaydokay. Doesn't bloat your objects though, since it's not virtual. ;-) |
| 23:16.18 | daxxar | Epyon: Only bloats your binary with a bit more size, shouldn't be any performance overhead. |
| 23:16.23 | Epyon | Currently I need to implement normal calculation. |
| 23:16.43 | Epyon | daxxar, but it takes time, and a beer is waiting xP |
| 23:16.53 | daxxar | Beer is finished here |
| 23:17.03 | daxxar | Should hit the sack, so I can do some more studying for my upcoming fail. |
| 23:17.19 | daxxar | I can't figure it out. I believe I understand the concepts I'm reading about, but I can't bloody apply them to actual tasks. |
| 23:17.25 | daxxar | It's *frustrating*, I tell you. |
| 23:17.39 | daxxar | (i.e. if I figure out a way to apply them to a task, I get the wrong answer, or no answer at all) |
| 23:17.51 | daxxar | And we're talking *BASIC ELECTRONICS*. I feel like a total EE failure. :-p |
| 23:17.52 | brlcad | and what's this about the list server being down? it's not reset even once today.. |
| 23:18.01 | daxxar | ~bzflist |
| 23:18.25 | daxxar | awilcox: What? |
| 23:18.27 | brlcad | not getting a response from ibot doesn't mean it's up or down :) |
| 23:18.56 | awilcox | daxxar: I only got one ++ for making a contribution. |
| 23:19.00 | brlcad | er, actually a response obviously means it's up, but no response doesn't mean it's down |
| 23:19.06 | daxxar | awilcox: What contribution? (Sorry) |
| 23:19.06 | awilcox | hehe |
| 23:19.15 | awilcox | daxxar: I contributed an icon. |
| 23:19.16 | awilcox | for bzwb. |
| 23:19.20 | daxxar | ~awilcox++ Because you're cuddly. |
| 23:19.21 | daxxar | Ah |
| 23:19.21 | daxxar | :-) |
| 23:19.26 | awilcox | :) |
| 23:19.30 | awilcox | ~karma awilcox |
| 23:19.30 | ibot | awilcox has karma of 9 |
| 23:19.32 | awilcox | \o/ |
| 23:19.34 | *** join/#bzflag I_Died_Once (n=I_Died_O@unaffiliated/idiedonce/x-1828535) |
| 23:19.37 | awilcox | wait, ibot is @? |
| 23:19.50 | I_Died_Once | is there a way to disable one's Private Messages on bzbb ??? |
| 23:20.35 | brlcad | how about just don't read them |
| 23:20.35 | brlcad | that's what I do |
| 23:20.36 | awilcox | brlcad: lol, but your an op, I thought you had to read them? |
| 23:20.48 | brlcad | awilcox: ibot as commands that could kick folks out of the channel |
| 23:21.01 | brlcad | s/as/has/ |
| 23:21.04 | awilcox | wow |
| 23:21.05 | I_Died_Once | ... |
| 23:21.10 | brlcad | ~banall |
| 23:21.13 | awilcox | :O |
| 23:21.15 | awilcox | no please! |
| 23:21.15 | Epyon | hmm cross product as the ** operator? |
| 23:21.26 | daxxar | Epyon: the what-operator? |
| 23:21.38 | daxxar | Oh, you mean the magic, imaginary, **-operator? |
| 23:21.58 | Epyon | Doesn't C++ support the ** operator? o.O |
| 23:22.04 | daxxar | You mean power? |
| 23:22.16 | brlcad | that would seriously screw with pointers |
| 23:22.18 | daxxar | Nope, it's too ambigious, I guess. |
| 23:22.25 | awilcox | ** = pointer to pointer |
| 23:22.27 | Epyon | Aaah. |
| 23:22.32 | Epyon | right -_- |
| 23:22.36 | daxxar | foo**bar == foo*(*bar) |
| 23:22.45 | daxxar | *bar is pointer dereferencing. |
| 23:22.51 | Epyon | So I guess there will be no CrossProduct operator :/ |
| 23:22.57 | awilcox | i.e. char **something; *something = *otherpointer; **something = 0; /* Now otherpointer points to data that is 0. * |
| 23:23.00 | daxxar | You can use %? ;-) |
| 23:23.04 | awilcox | s/*/*// |
| 23:23.23 | brlcad | try to avoid the syntactic sugar |
| 23:23.30 | Epyon | daxxar, should I? |
| 23:23.33 | daxxar | Meh, I dunno |
| 23:23.35 | awilcox | s/s\/*\/*\/\//s\/*\/*\\\/\// |
| 23:23.52 | daxxar | Just make it 'cross', like foo.cross(bar); |
| 23:24.00 | Epyon | Hmm |
| 23:24.05 | Epyon | k |
| 23:24.33 | brlcad | or a Cross(foo, bar) func/macro/template/whatever |
| 23:25.25 | daxxar | Hm, you rarely want to overwrite one of the operators in a cross product with the result, right? |
| 23:25.55 | Epyon | daxxar, Vertex cross(const Vertex &v) |
| 23:26.00 | daxxar | So I guess either a static class method (Vector cross(const Vector &lhs, const Vector &rhs)) |
| 23:26.15 | daxxar | Or a class method like Vector cross(const Vector &rhs) const; |
| 23:26.38 | daxxar | (that last const is kinda useful, because it lets C++ know that you do *not* change the instance inside this method) |
| 23:26.44 | daxxar | (so you can call the method on const instances) |
| 23:28.15 | *** part/#bzflag LongDo1 (n=LongDon@host-091-097-045-009.ewe-ip-backbone.de) |
| 23:32.15 | daxxar | Epyon: Anything else you want advice or a hand with? I'm brushing my teeth, reading for bed, so let me know if there's anything I can do. |
| 23:32.37 | Epyon | Nah, I think I'll make it from now on :) |
| 23:32.50 | Epyon | Thank you a LOT again :) |
| 23:33.34 | daxxar | It's nothing, pleasure to help out :-) |
| 23:34.02 | daxxar | Just hilight me or bug me in pm if there's anything tomorrow. I'll be studying, but I'll probably have irssi open in a term, checking it every few minutes. |
| 23:40.56 | Epyon | Hmm, where will I find sqrt()? |
| 23:41.34 | daxxar | math.h |
| 23:41.46 | daxxar | sqrtf() is what you want anyway |
| 23:41.51 | Epyon | <math.h> or "math.h" I never know -_- |
| 23:41.56 | daxxar | <math.h> |
| 23:42.02 | daxxar | <> is for system headers |
| 23:42.05 | daxxar | "" is for user headers |
| 23:42.19 | daxxar | If this is unix, you need -lm |
| 23:42.33 | daxxar | I guess MSVC default links with some kind of math lib |
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| 23:42.40 | Epyon | I hope brlcad will take care of that in the makefile :/ |
| 23:43.04 | daxxar | Good night. :-) |
| 23:43.16 | Epyon | G'nigh :) |
| 23:46.45 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r14735 10/trunk/bzwgen/common.h: A Kaleidoscope of Mathematics - vector operations for Vertex struct |
| 23:49.52 | Epyon | brlcad, will you update the Makefile whem I finish for today? |
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