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| 00:44.49 | jude- | If it's convenient, would someone mind explaining to me how the BZFlag client manages to render textures on world objects without them stretching and scaling to the size of the faces they are bound to? |
| 00:45.01 | jude- | ...or direct me to the source file containing the code that carries this out? |
| 00:45.45 | Winny | I would *guess* that it looks at the ratio of width/height of the face... but code wise I would have no idea :p |
| 00:46.39 | jude- | I'm not so sure Winny...how would it handle triangluar faces, then? |
| 00:47.16 | Winny | base/height of the triangle |
| 00:47.40 | jude- | hmm.. |
| 00:47.47 | Winny | but I wouldn't listen to me, I'm usually wrong :) |
| 00:48.23 | jude- | heh--I can't add Teleporters until I figure out how to do this; otherwise they won't render properly :/ |
| 00:49.08 | Winny | wheres Jeff when you need him ;P |
| 00:49.16 | jude- | he's not here, unfortunately :/ |
| 00:49.45 | Winny | indeed |
| 00:55.32 | DTRemenak | jude-: grep for boxWallTexRepeat, should get you to the right place |
| 00:55.42 | jude- | DTRemenak: thanks! |
| 00:55.51 | DTRemenak | likely somewhere in SceneBuilder |
| 01:06.19 | spldart | There does not appear to be any key bound to enter the game Killed |
| 01:06.27 | spldart | ??? |
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| 01:15.53 | jude- | DTRemenak: from the looks of it, each repeated texture on a box (or anything using a QuadWallSceneNode) is actually two triangles? |
| 01:16.04 | jude- | i.e. each wall is really an aggregate of smaller walls? |
| 01:17.21 | jude- | i.e. each QuadWallSceneNode, instead of being a single quad or a pair of triangles, is really an aggregate of smaller triangle pairs, with the texture mapped to each? |
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| 01:50.35 | spldart | Any ideas? |
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| 01:52.41 | jude- | spldart: use FireFox |
| 01:52.41 | spldart | Opening bzflag causes... There does not appear to be any key bound to enter the game Killed |
| 01:53.21 | spldart | that's windowed mode. fullscreen just fails |
| 01:53.51 | spldart | :) maybe jude.. but error server to busy happens on any browser/any OS :) |
| 01:56.36 | spldart | I can empathise... Thanks to tatanka.com I'm using IE in debian for the sake of a couple manufactuerers websites... IE: (pardon the pun) Panasonic, Samsung |
| 01:57.46 | jude- | what can't you see in Panasonic from Firefox that you can from IE? |
| 01:59.04 | spldart | Panasonic and some others require custom software to run with IE to navigate their service sites |
| 01:59.09 | spldart | So Wine it is |
| 01:59.15 | jude- | heh |
| 01:59.55 | spldart | I've done alot with wine and even Dosbox to allow myself to leave windows 99% @ work |
| 02:00.29 | jude- | lol |
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| 03:06.37 | Constitution | what's an "obstacle" in a meshbox definition? |
| 03:07.08 | Constitution | as per http://my.bzflag.org/w/Meshbox |
| 03:08.53 | jude- | if it's in the definition, then tanks can't pass through it |
| 03:09.22 | Constitution | so it's the default, then? |
| 03:09.26 | delusional | does that mean it will have boxwall.png on the sides and mesh.png on the top? |
| 03:10.22 | jude- | Constitution: I dunno--you'll have to try it out |
| 03:10.36 | jude- | delusional: IIRC, those will be the materials if none are provided |
| 03:11.09 | delusional | yeah, try it and see what happens |
| 03:11.25 | Constitution | I can't even get bzfs to recognize it... although I may be using the wrong format |
| 03:11.39 | delusional | are you using 2.0.9? |
| 03:11.41 | Constitution | yes |
| 03:12.08 | jude- | it says obstacle is an unknown parameter in 2.0.8 |
| 03:14.11 | delusional | unknown object parameter "obstacle" - skipping 2.0.9 |
| 03:14.23 | jude- | interesting--the texture wrapping for meshbox is different for box |
| 03:14.28 | jude- | s/for/from |
| 03:18.51 | JeffM | yup |
| 03:19.53 | delusional | I've never seen obstacle used in mapping before, AFAIK, it's always been used for collision detection ... gotta be a 2.2 thing |
| 03:20.34 | JeffM | or typo |
| 03:20.56 | delusional | seems more and more like a typo, the more i look at it |
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| 04:21.08 | awilcox | Hey jude- |
| 04:21.21 | jude- | hello awilcox |
| 04:21.26 | awilcox | How goes bzwb? |
| 04:21.45 | jude- | getting ready for a commit |
| 04:21.54 | jude- | just figured out how to fix the texturing problems :) |
| 04:21.58 | awilcox | yay |
| 04:22.04 | awilcox | and it supports bases now? |
| 04:22.08 | jude- | yup |
| 04:22.34 | jude- | once texturing is fixed, then teleporters can be added :) |
| 04:22.43 | awilcox | woot! |
| 04:23.00 | jude- | and then...BZW 1.x compliance :) |
| 04:26.40 | brlcad | mmm.. time to merge |
| 04:27.13 | jude- | ftgl ready to merge? |
| 04:27.38 | awilcox | \o/ |
| 04:36.23 | AAA_awright | Yeay, list server scanner is all fixed now. It tells you the player that has been on the longest: http://bzflag.redjacket.ws/index.php/ |
| 04:36.47 | awilcox | AAA_awright: neat |
| 04:37.23 | AAA_awright | Thanks |
| 04:37.26 | jude- | ~AAA_awright++ |
| 04:37.29 | awilcox | where is the player that has been on the longest? |
| 04:37.35 | awilcox | good idea jude- :) |
| 04:37.39 | awilcox | ~AAA_awright++ |
| 04:37.44 | AAA_awright | :) |
| 04:38.49 | awilcox | I don't see the player that has been on the longest |
| 04:40.30 | AAA_awright | At the bottom of the page |
| 04:40.46 | AAA_awright | Longest Session:EasyTarget (Someone has to be last) on server bzflag2.norang.ca:4415 |
| 04:40.57 | awilcox | Ahh I see now thanks :) |
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| 04:42.49 | AAA_awright | I'll move it up to the top of the page |
| 04:43.00 | brlcad | jude-: close enough, yes |
| 04:43.11 | brlcad | i can do the rest of the work off the trunk |
| 04:43.34 | jude- | brlcad: sweet |
| 04:44.52 | awilcox | AAA_awright a bug in your link |
| 04:45.08 | awilcox | the link to a_met's profile |
| 04:45.09 | awilcox | http://bzflag.redjacket.ws/index.php/player/a%2520meteorite |
| 04:45.21 | awilcox | that should be %20, not %2520, right? |
| 04:45.57 | AAA_awright | It actually should |
| 04:46.10 | awilcox | Thought so. |
| 04:46.11 | AAA_awright | Fixed it now though |
| 04:46.16 | awilcox | Thanks. |
| 04:47.09 | brlcad | it'll make head a tad bit unstable until I fix the build system issues since freetype's build is a PoS, but that's all pretty brain-dead stuff |
| 04:53.04 | AAA_awright | Everyone: rattle off a list of leagues important to you |
| 04:53.36 | a_meteorite | the defunct plosileague, of course |
| 04:53.43 | a_meteorite | nothing else matters ;) |
| 04:54.41 | AAA_awright | Yah. |
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| 04:56.07 | Winny | AAA_awright: Gu league, ducati league |
| 04:56.29 | AAA_awright | done. http://bzflag.redjacket.ws/index.php/league/ducati |
| 04:56.38 | a_meteorite | funnily enough bzfx.net/league was put up just the other day ;) |
| 04:57.19 | AAA_awright | We need Theme97's Dodgeball league |
| 04:57.26 | a_meteorite | ick |
| 04:57.35 | AAA_awright | That would be perfect for that setup. Think about that... |
| 04:57.41 | Winny | and my permission to host the map :) |
| 04:58.14 | a_meteorite | Winny: ima gonna hostz its anywayz lulz |
| 04:58.35 | Winny | do I need to remind you? |
| 04:58.45 | Winny | I OWN YOUR DOMAIN |
| 04:58.47 | Winny | :p |
| 04:58.56 | a_meteorite | lulz? |
| 04:59.00 | a_meteorite | do I need to remind you that I want to buy it? |
| 04:59.09 | a_meteorite | :P |
| 04:59.12 | AAA_awright | one very close to me: http://bzflag.redjacket.ws/index.php/league/1vs1 |
| 04:59.15 | Winny | "want" is the key word |
| 04:59.21 | a_meteorite | I have the money |
| 05:02.15 | AAA_awright | I am trying to create a wiki-like setup for managing leagues. Anyone at this point can add a server. |
| 05:02.44 | a_meteorite | that's so gonna be abused AAA_awright ... |
| 05:02.53 | AAA_awright | With login. |
| 05:02.54 | Winny | AAA_awright: I think they should need to be approved |
| 05:03.05 | Winny | you know all the noobs and their 2 dat leagues. |
| 05:03.08 | Winny | day, even |
| 05:03.29 | AAA_awright | New leagues? Well yah. |
| 05:05.39 | AAA_awright | Mostly I mean an easy web-interface to managing them. Prehaps an API that syncs with web-league automatically. |
| 05:06.49 | AAA_awright | Dang. web-league doesn't use XHTML. |
| 05:07.05 | a_meteorite | it's the most horribly marked up html you will ever see |
| 05:07.14 | Winny | yeah |
| 05:07.15 | a_meteorite | I tried making it better, it gave me nightmares |
| 05:07.28 | Winny | a_meteorite: probably better to start fresh :/ |
| 05:07.33 | AAA_awright | That could pose a problem to automatically syncing teams. |
| 05:07.47 | a_meteorite | Winny: yeah, I would agree, but then people will ask questions |
| 05:07.52 | Winny | AAA_awright: talk to strayer |
| 05:07.55 | Winny | he did it |
| 05:08.09 | a_meteorite | I'm afraid to see his code |
| 05:08.24 | a_meteorite | it's probably the "OMGPLUZS!" HTML parser lib |
| 05:08.27 | AAA_awright | I can too. It means using the htmltidy PHP extension. |
| 05:08.56 | a_meteorite | too good for us mere mortals |
| 05:09.04 | AAA_awright | Which I just learned Constitution doesn't have on his server. By default. |
| 05:13.15 | Constitution | AAA_awright: I'd be happy to install packages if you need them |
| 05:13.42 | Constitution | bbl |
| 05:13.46 | AAA_awright | Cool. I don't know the details yet, but I will ask later. |
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| 05:15.21 | AAA_awright | Yah, tidy will work wonders: http://us2.php.net/manual/en/function.tidy-parse-string.php |
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| 05:16.30 | AAA_awright | Bye all. |
| 05:16.34 | Constitution | cya |
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| 06:12.04 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03judecn * r14665 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (33 files in 20 dirs): |
| 06:12.04 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: First stab at dynamically altering the textures of BZW 1.x objects as they are scaled, like in the BZFlag client. Doesn't work as intended, but |
| 06:12.04 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: at least it compiles :). Added a rudimentary button panel to the left side of the 3D view, and code that controls it as well. |
| 06:12.27 | jude- | ...and that should be the last of the BIG commits :) |
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| 06:22.48 | Winny | bah, excuses ;) |
| 06:23.23 | jude- | heh--it's better than committing something that doesn't work at all, let alone compile :) |
| 06:42.05 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14666 10/branches/ftgl/ (31 files in 7 dirs): this should (hopefully) be the final merge from trunk to branch, changes since r14557 |
| 06:42.43 | brlcad | now for the .. harder part |
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| 11:23.12 | brlcad | progress is progress |
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| 14:16.46 | [1]PETER | do I put a world weapon in the config file or map file |
| 14:16.48 | [1]PETER | ? |
| 14:16.59 | Constitution | map file |
| 14:17.03 | [1]PETER | thanks |
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| 14:49.05 | [2]PETER | just a quik question, what do I put into the config to add rico? |
| 14:49.12 | Constitution | +r |
| 14:49.16 | [2]PETER | thanks:) |
| 14:49.31 | Constitution | look at the man page or the wiki, dude :-) |
| 14:50.17 | Constitution | http://my.bzflag.org/bzfman.cgi?bzfs.6.in |
| 14:50.28 | Constitution | http://my.bzflag.org/w/ |
| 14:51.59 | delusional_ | I suggest using the sample conf http://my.bzflag.org/w/Sample_conf |
| 14:52.18 | delusional_ | everything's there, if you ever need it |
| 15:00.42 | [2]PETER | I had a look on the wiki page for world weapons, and I couldnt find my answer so.... |
| 15:01.57 | Constitution | one search for "world weapon" turned up this: http://my.bzflag.org/w/World_Weapon |
| 15:02.00 | [2]PETER | in the world weapon code, position 0.0 0.0 0.0, which do I edit to alter the height |
| 15:02.13 | Constitution | the last one |
| 15:02.20 | [2]PETER | thats the page I was looking at |
| 15:03.29 | [2]PETER | maby someone should add abit more information on wiki for the co-ordinates part of the world weapon code |
| 15:04.21 | CBG | They are the same as for every other object. |
| 15:04.26 | CBG | x, y, z. It's universal... |
| 15:05.13 | [2]PETER | Oh, okay, it's just for world weapon making newbies like me it isnt so clear, |
| 15:05.22 | [2]PETER | *wasn't |
| 15:05.30 | CBG | "the same as for every other object" |
| 15:06.37 | [2]PETER | maby it was just a `dumb moment` for me :) |
| 15:10.45 | Constitution | [2]PETER: it's basic geometry |
| 15:12.49 | Constitution | the bzflag devs have better things to do than to write math tutorials |
| 15:12.59 | Constitution | do some research at your school library, or online |
| 15:21.23 | [2]PETER | yippie! my world weapons work! |
| 15:21.27 | [2]PETER | thanks guys |
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| 17:34.08 | daxxar | Hm |
| 17:34.12 | daxxar | va_arg = fun bugs. |
| 17:35.03 | daxxar | If I figure out this little piece, I might get working events committed today, though only with HitWall |
| 17:35.19 | daxxar | Sorry for the slow progress, had a coders block, but I think I'm over it now. ;-) |
| 17:36.00 | daxxar | brlcad: Any problem if I extend LocalPlayer, as long as I don't change existing behaviour? |
| 17:36.23 | daxxar | (sorry for any typos, gprs = laggy SSH = blind-typing) |
| 17:42.20 | JeffM | there should be no prolems if you change local player |
| 17:42.38 | JeffM | heck you can change bahavor as long as it's good and consistent too ;) |
| 17:44.52 | daxxar | ^_^ |
| 17:45.13 | daxxar | It's just that I need to hook into LocalPlayer or other classes for some of the events |
| 17:45.46 | daxxar | E.g. HitWall is implemented using a flag that's triggered in LocalPlayer#doUpdateMotion(), and the retrieved using LocalPlayer#hasHitWall() |
| 17:46.47 | daxxar | Then I just do robot->update(); if (robot->hasHitWall()) rcLink->pushEvent(new HitWallEvent()); |
| 17:55.53 | daxxar | (messing with va_args does, as I mention, result in some fun bugs) |
| 17:55.58 | daxxar | Not strange, thouh. :p |
| 17:56.00 | daxxar | though |
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| 18:26.57 | JeffM | daxxar, do what ya gotta do |
| 18:27.04 | JeffM | we hold no "purity" over any of our classes |
| 18:51.31 | Winny | brlcad: pingy |
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| 19:56.46 | daxxar | Haha, I'm a burgerking on this trainstation, and their WLAN has worse coverage (and doesn't route my packets) than the WLAN of the coffeeshop one floor up, and across the "street" |
| 19:57.17 | AWOSLappy | hehe |
| 19:57.29 | daxxar | I'm at a* |
| 20:00.37 | daxxar | Oh, and a shady ad-hoc WLAN named "Free Public WiFi" |
| 20:00.58 | AWOSLappy | lol |
| 20:01.23 | daxxar | I think I'll connect to that afterwards, check it out. See what's up. |
| 20:01.40 | daxxar | I think I'll make sure my MSN-client & email-client is shut down first, though ^_^ |
| 20:02.40 | AWOSLappy | hehe |
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| 20:37.27 | L4m3r | I see that exact SSID all over |
| 20:37.38 | L4m3r | "Free Public WiFi" |
| 20:38.03 | L4m3r | though I never need to use it, since the VPN-protected campus wireless is just about everywhere |
| 20:38.35 | daxxar | I bet it's a tool scammers use to steal passwords and such? |
| 20:39.36 | L4m3r | or it could be that... thing... |
| 20:40.04 | L4m3r | wasn't there some company that handed out free APs to people who agreed to share? |
| 20:40.39 | daxxar | Perhaps, but it's ad-hoc here, afait |
| 20:40.41 | daxxar | afaict |
| 20:41.00 | L4m3r | who knows, then |
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| 20:43.11 | daxxar | http://www.nmrc.org/pub/advise/20060114.txt |
| 20:43.11 | daxxar | Hm |
| 20:44.04 | AAA_awright | Nothing harmful. |
| 20:44.12 | daxxar | Seems not :-( |
| 20:44.35 | AAA_awright | http://blogs.chron.com/techblog/archives/2006/09/free_public_wif.html is a good article |
| 20:45.28 | daxxar | Yeah, I clicked my way from that |
| 20:45.31 | AAA_awright | Until a few minutes ago I thought the 20 or so networks like that were bad. Mostly because I saw other networks like "Internet Access Here" too |
| 20:45.53 | AAA_awright | Which no one has explained yet. <_< |
| 20:46.51 | daxxar | ^_^ |
| 20:47.00 | daxxar | The name is irrelevant, it could be spreading by the same logic |
| 20:47.08 | AAA_awright | True. |
| 20:47.54 | L4m3r | I wonder if there's a honeypot technique that could be used to get the malicious networks in real-time |
| 20:48.42 | L4m3r | in the vast majority of cases, I use linux on the lappy... so not much to worry about as far as exploits. But, there's always password sniffing... |
| 20:49.30 | daxxar | Yep |
| 20:49.35 | daxxar | That's what I was worried it was. |
| 20:50.10 | Winny | oh noez!!!1 they might get my piratebay password! :o-E-< |
| 20:50.12 | Winny | :p |
| 20:50.50 | AWOSLappy | Winny :P |
| 20:51.35 | AWOSLappy | I find that kinda funny. "Severity: High, but lame" |
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| 21:02.03 | L4m3r | it's too bad, really. most of the passwords are probably logged and dug through later. |
| 21:03.00 | L4m3r | so, to test it, you'd need to log in to some bogus account and wait for the 'tard to access it... |
| 21:03.09 | L4m3r | by the time you find out, you've already left :P |
| 21:03.30 | Winny | would the devs mind if I put a post on the forum asking for screenshots for the new site? |
| 21:04.16 | JeffM | Winny, depends on how you want them to send them to you |
| 21:04.29 | JeffM | if you want them posted inline in the thread, then put it in screenshots |
| 21:04.30 | Winny | JeffM: if I said "send them to me in a PM" |
| 21:04.37 | JeffM | if you want them PM or email, put it in announceuments |
| 21:04.59 | JeffM | but it is a reasonable request |
| 21:05.11 | JeffM | and game related ;) |
| 21:05.54 | JeffM | L4m3r, for the tread you locked, did you notify the poster in a PM why it was locked? |
| 21:06.07 | L4m3r | I think I made it rather clear in the thread... |
| 21:06.17 | JeffM | it's a yes or no |
| 21:06.19 | JeffM | so no |
| 21:07.07 | JeffM | I just wanted to know if you had or not, so they don't get notified twice |
| 21:07.16 | L4m3r | mmk |
| 21:07.53 | L4m3r | did the thread get removed? I don't see it |
| 21:07.57 | JeffM | it did |
| 21:08.46 | JeffM | what do those do? |
| 21:09.16 | L4m3r | you leave a thread redirect |
| 21:09.28 | L4m3r | and it's pruned after X days or whatever |
| 21:09.37 | JeffM | where does it redirect to? |
| 21:09.43 | JeffM | like when threads are moved? |
| 21:09.47 | L4m3r | the thread you moved to another forum |
| 21:09.49 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 21:09.52 | JeffM | ahh a temp shadow |
| 21:09.58 | JeffM | no reason to |
| 21:10.07 | JeffM | why not just tell the poster it moved, |
| 21:10.13 | JeffM | everyone else will see it in the new place |
| 21:10.21 | Winny | alright, postaged |
| 21:10.21 | L4m3r | I suppose so |
| 21:10.39 | JeffM | an automated move notification PM would be nice |
| 21:10.57 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 21:11.04 | JeffM | the redirect would be usefull if your board had a lot of use that used external sites linking to specific threads |
| 21:11.31 | Constitution | Winny: are you going to specify how they are to be submitted? |
| 21:11.44 | L4m3r | if they linked to threads it wouldn't matter, because moved threads have the same thread ID |
| 21:11.47 | Winny | d'oh |
| 21:11.58 | L4m3r | at least, in any forum software I've used ;) |
| 21:12.03 | JeffM | L4m3r, ahh good point, then I don't see a reason for them at all ;) |
| 21:12.40 | JeffM | Winny, has your design been accepted by Tim and others? |
| 21:12.43 | L4m3r | I keep forgetting the "crouching admin, hidden pwnage" moderation style at BZBB |
| 21:12.57 | Winny | JeffM: http://my.bzflag.org/site/ |
| 21:13.07 | JeffM | Winny, that dosn't answer my question ;) |
| 21:13.13 | Winny | not yet :p |
| 21:13.17 | JeffM | thank you |
| 21:13.27 | a_meteorite | the padding is really messed up.. |
| 21:13.32 | L4m3r | in most areas you'd use a shadow topic, because several people would see the thread by the time that you got to it |
| 21:13.45 | JeffM | wow, sorry man.. but that is ugly. |
| 21:13.46 | L4m3r | bzbb is slow enough for that to be unnecessary :P |
| 21:13.57 | a_meteorite | someone screwed with my post day padding >_< |
| 21:13.57 | JeffM | L4m3r, I never use a shadow topic |
| 21:14.09 | JeffM | the poster shoudl have known the right place, and they can find it again ;) |
| 21:14.15 | L4m3r | I don't, normally, either, because I hate to have them crapping the place up |
| 21:14.31 | Winny | a_meteorite: not the final template |
| 21:14.36 | a_meteorite | k |
| 21:14.43 | Winny | that was a quick mockup by blast, I think |
| 21:14.47 | L4m3r | but they do help for larger boards |
| 21:14.59 | JeffM | for larger ones, yes I can agree |
| 21:15.01 | a_meteorite | Winny: weird. I designed the same exact thing :P |
| 21:15.09 | TheRedBaron | hrm iframe? |
| 21:15.32 | a_meteorite | TheRedBaron: iframe? where? |
| 21:15.36 | a_meteorite | I went pure css.. |
| 21:15.45 | Winny | a_meteorite: the side blocks are drupal generated |
| 21:15.52 | Winny | not blast generated |
| 21:15.53 | Winny | :p |
| 21:15.55 | a_meteorite | oi |
| 21:16.09 | a_meteorite | Winny: the front page news dates are supposed to have padding |
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| 21:16.19 | a_meteorite | right now the text is rubbing up against the border |
| 21:16.27 | Winny | a_meteorite: I saaaaiid it wasn;t the final temaplte. |
| 21:16.33 | Winny | he hasn't completed it... |
| 21:16.37 | a_meteorite | Winny: oh, I thought you meant it was something else |
| 21:16.54 | a_meteorite | I guess my css just got a tad screwed to get it to work with drupal |
| 21:16.54 | JeffM | is it close to the final template? |
| 21:17.02 | Winny | JeffM: yeah |
| 21:17.02 | JeffM | like the overall design is there? |
| 21:17.07 | JeffM | wow |
| 21:17.09 | Winny | just the padding is weird |
| 21:17.14 | Winny | among other things |
| 21:17.17 | JeffM | cus honestly, I do not like it much at all |
| 21:17.28 | JeffM | but whatever floats the collective boat |
| 21:17.43 | a_meteorite | JeffM: hehe, blame Winny, he did the mock-up, I just html/css-ified it :) |
| 21:17.52 | Winny | if it was fixed width it would be nicer ;) |
| 21:18.03 | a_meteorite | well, I believe blast wanted it fluid |
| 21:18.08 | JeffM | it's just the overall design is mushy and very "playschool" |
| 21:18.21 | JeffM | large blocks of color rapidly changing |
| 21:18.36 | JeffM | and it's horibly flat |
| 21:19.15 | JeffM | there is little delimitation in the secctions |
| 21:19.23 | JeffM | and what appear to be random sizes in the post sections |
| 21:19.32 | JeffM | big little big medium |
| 21:19.59 | JeffM | the gray on white for the table type layout isn't bad |
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| 21:20.15 | JeffM | but it's just got too many difrent things to flow as a good design IMHO |
| 21:23.03 | Winny | "IMHO" ;) |
| 21:23.25 | Winny | well, Ill ask around |
| 21:23.26 | JeffM | yep, my opinion |
| 21:23.35 | JeffM | as I said, whatever floats the collective boat ;) |
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| 21:24.49 | CBG | JeffM: and yes, I think this design will float that boat, even if it doesn't float yours or mine (too much) :) |
| 21:25.07 | JeffM | CBG, depends on how many people have seen the boat |
| 21:25.13 | JeffM | I'd show Tim if you haven't allready |
| 21:26.10 | JeffM | if he does he does |
| 21:26.32 | JeffM | I'd just show as many people as you can, so you have a good idea of it's acceptance level before you put too much work in it |
| 21:26.39 | CBG | To those that worked on it, it is a good design, just not to exactly my tastes (and probably not to Tim's). |
| 21:33.41 | AWOSLappy | Winny: I'm too lazy to post on the forums. http://i16.tinypic.com/63w8i2t.png |
| 21:34.10 | Winny | errr |
| 21:34.13 | Winny | ? |
| 21:34.58 | AWOSLappy | Winny: you wanted a screenshot of the new page. there it is. |
| 21:35.07 | Winny | ... |
| 21:35.08 | Winny | uhh |
| 21:35.10 | Winny | I did? |
| 21:35.20 | Winny | I wanted screenshots FOR the new page. |
| 21:35.26 | AWOSLappy | <Winny> would the devs mind if I put a post on the forum asking for screenshots for the new site? |
| 21:35.27 | Winny | not OF |
| 21:35.40 | AWOSLappy | Ohhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 21:35.44 | AWOSLappy | Winny: lol sorr |
| 21:35.46 | AWOSLappy | *sorry |
| 21:37.30 | AWOSLappy | nwell I always take a picture right before I exit, let's see if I have some good ones |
| 21:38.35 | AWOSLappy | Winny: this is a cool one http://i15.tinypic.com/68mje5z.png |
| 21:39.26 | CBG | playing on windows?!?!?!! |
| 21:40.19 | AWOSLappy | CBG: yeah |
| 21:40.28 | AWOSLappy | I haven't gone through ~/.bzf/screenshots yet |
| 21:40.30 | AWOSLappy | I play on both |
| 21:40.34 | AWOSLappy | Dual boot! |
| 21:41.53 | AWOSLappy | Winny: dusk http://i15.tinypic.com/4u2ypu9.png |
| 21:42.11 | Winny | post it on the forums please ;D |
| 21:42.26 | AWOSLappy | noooo |
| 21:42.32 | AWOSLappy | you'll ruin my 0 post count! |
| 21:42.38 | AAA_awright | Winny: just grabbed some good, hi-res ones off of bloodbath 2 |
| 21:42.51 | Winny | forum :P |
| 21:42.57 | AWOSLappy | AAA_awright: >_> you have to 1up me? |
| 21:43.05 | AAA_awright | I did |
| 21:43.10 | AWOSLappy | oh no you didn't! |
| 21:43.15 | AAA_awright | Wha? |
| 21:43.31 | AAA_awright | Oh. I didn't see you did :p |
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| 21:48.52 | AAA_awright | Hm. Will need to compress them. |
| 21:51.54 | JeffM | I added a clarification for you Winny |
| 21:52.10 | AWOSLappy | Hah! |
| 21:52.18 | AWOSLappy | I got a picture of a guided missle coming at me! |
| 21:52.19 | Winny | JeffM: thanks :P |
| 21:54.07 | AAA_awright | *headdesk* |
| 21:54.45 | AAA_awright | JeffM Winny: the sheer size of these files makes it impractical to post as an attachment. |
| 21:55.19 | brlcad | JeffM I am now |
| 21:55.20 | JeffM | AAA_awright, we'll worry about the size |
| 21:55.23 | brlcad | Winny: pong |
| 21:56.57 | AAA_awright | JeffM Winny: I'm the one worring about the size because the file is too large straight from BZFlag. |
| 21:59.28 | JeffM | AAA_awright, open it in an image editor, save it |
| 21:59.33 | JeffM | that will do better PNG compresson |
| 21:59.48 | JeffM | bzflag does little to no compresson on screenshots for speed |
| 21:59.48 | Erroneous | or run it through pngcrush or optipng |
| 22:00.03 | JeffM | brlcad, got any IRIX CDs :) |
| 22:00.27 | Erroneous | mm, actually we do quite a bit (z5)...perhaps more than we should, that's what takes most of the screenshot time. |
| 22:00.45 | brlcad | JeffM: tons of em' |
| 22:00.50 | brlcad | i think |
| 22:00.51 | JeffM | why are they so masive then, and smaller then hell when we use PS? |
| 22:00.56 | brlcad | i mighta ditched a bunch |
| 22:00.56 | JeffM | brlcad, can you spare a set? |
| 22:01.05 | brlcad | hmmm |
| 22:01.09 | brlcad | what kind of box? |
| 22:01.12 | AWOSLappy | Winny: um. we do need to worry about the size. "Your file is too big". |
| 22:01.26 | JeffM | brlcad, well I was thinking ether emulator, or I'd see about geting a cheap one on ebay |
| 22:01.34 | JeffM | I REALY want to see BZ still ;) |
| 22:01.36 | AWOSLappy | Oh. |
| 22:01.39 | AWOSLappy | Wait. |
| 22:01.48 | Erroneous | shouldn't be that much smaller from ps (likely ~300 vs ~450 kb)...and that's basically the change from z5 to z9 |
| 22:01.48 | brlcad | oh, you mean old 'bz' |
| 22:01.50 | AWOSLappy | Nvm, I see the backlog. |
| 22:01.57 | JeffM | yeah |
| 22:02.12 | Erroneous | nope, I didn't...was busy all weekend |
| 22:02.17 | Erroneous | silly RL interfering again :) |
| 22:02.30 | brlcad | JeffM: never did find the source to it and the author was too chicken to give them up |
| 22:02.37 | JeffM | Erroneous, http://www.opencombat.net/files/images/font_tests/ftgl/ |
| 22:02.46 | AWOSLappy | Um. |
| 22:02.50 | JeffM | the bzf ones are from screenshots, the join and others are from PS |
| 22:02.51 | JeffM | big dif |
| 22:02.53 | brlcad | Erroneous: mk, just wondering |
| 22:03.03 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: I saved it and it is bigger than bzflag's. |
| 22:03.04 | JeffM | brlcad, but bins exist right? |
| 22:03.30 | AAA_awright | mspaint only increased the filesize. Don't make me open the GIMP, please... |
| 22:03.39 | JeffM | yeah don't use pain |
| 22:03.43 | brlcad | JeffM: would be curious to see how those last ftgl builds compare to the latest after that last optimization (if it made any change at all) |
| 22:03.48 | JeffM | well do whatever you guys want |
| 22:04.07 | brlcad | yeah, bins exist, or at least they did .. I'll have to dig again |
| 22:04.18 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: "don't use paint" >_> I don't have anything else |
| 22:04.31 | JeffM | AWOSLappy, you have all the FOSS on the interweb ;) |
| 22:04.42 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: true ;) |
| 22:04.55 | JeffM | Erroneous even gave you the names you need |
| 22:05.08 | AWOSLappy | pngcrush. |
| 22:05.11 | AWOSLappy | Sounds fun! |
| 22:05.12 | Erroneous | optipng is the best |
| 22:05.26 | AAA_awright | the GIMP compressed a whole 8% :S |
| 22:05.48 | Erroneous | JeffM: they aren't that much bigger than optimal for their size. optipng will reduce your 2.5mb ones to 2.1mb |
| 22:05.53 | JeffM | AAA_awright, use a smaller screen res |
| 22:06.01 | JeffM | Erroneous, ahh |
| 22:06.08 | JeffM | so it's just what in em |
| 22:06.30 | Erroneous | and it will compress your 850k ones down under 750k too |
| 22:06.50 | Erroneous | photoshop is actually pretty bad at png...they're very dirty |
| 22:07.44 | Erroneous | irfanview is pretty good, gimp is pretty good except for it's IDAT funkiness |
| 22:07.56 | Winny | aha |
| 22:07.59 | brlcad | JeffM: it'll probably be easier to find the binaries againt that full discs, I've been throwing a lot of that stuff away |
| 22:08.06 | Winny | Erroneous, brlcad: what do you think of the site? |
| 22:08.15 | JeffM | brlcad, well next time you see a set, don't throw it away ;) |
| 22:08.34 | brlcad | :) |
| 22:08.41 | AWOSLappy | Erroneous: "IDAT too big" |
| 22:09.02 | Erroneous | AWOSLappy: yup, that's fine. that just means it started compressing it and it got larger, so it stopped |
| 22:09.07 | JeffM | hmmmm, an O2 for 65$ |
| 22:09.08 | AWOSLappy | Erroneous: ahh. |
| 22:09.17 | brlcad | Winny: I think it's "better" than the current ancient crud, but that it still needs a lot of work before going production |
| 22:09.17 | AWOSLappy | Ooooooh! |
| 22:09.19 | AWOSLappy | Erroneous: Output file size = 884534 bytes (390780 bytes = 30.64% decrease) |
| 22:09.23 | AWOSLappy | \o/ |
| 22:09.28 | Erroneous | yup, that's pretty good |
| 22:09.30 | Winny | brlcad: themwise? |
| 22:09.33 | Winny | err |
| 22:09.34 | Winny | theme, even |
| 22:09.46 | brlcad | theme, layout, navigation, grahpics |
| 22:09.55 | brlcad | so yeah, theme |
| 22:10.38 | brlcad | not even clear if it's anything major that's needed, could be a lot of fine tuning |
| 22:14.42 | JeffM | oh, crap, I just purchased an O2 |
| 22:14.47 | Erroneous | heh |
| 22:14.55 | JeffM | I figured I'd be out bid |
| 22:14.57 | Winny | whats the name of the .png for the GMs? |
| 22:15.07 | Erroneous | dangerous thing to figure :) |
| 22:15.17 | JeffM | well 74$ |
| 22:15.21 | JeffM | with an installed OS |
| 22:15.29 | Erroneous | ah, that's not bad |
| 22:15.35 | JeffM | and that's with shiping |
| 22:15.40 | Erroneous | cool |
| 22:15.50 | Winny | wait nvm |
| 22:16.02 | JeffM | brlcad, so yeah, disks for an O2 :) |
| 22:16.28 | Erroneous | if it's installed, you can at least image the drive when you get it |
| 22:18.07 | AWOSLappy | Erroneous: is there a way to tell optipng that 524K is good enough, and that it doesn't need to print 1000 more "IDAT too big" messages? |
| 22:19.39 | JeffM | it's the 180 mhz version |
| 22:19.43 | JeffM | 64 megs of ram |
| 22:19.48 | JeffM | 4 gig drive |
| 22:20.08 | AWOSLappy | Erroneous: wow, thanks! good job optipng! Output file size = 521975 bytes (325554 bytes = 38.41% decrease) |
| 22:23.20 | Erroneous | AWOSLappy: uhh...don't set any flags? :) |
| 22:23.56 | Erroneous | especially not -o9 :) |
| 22:24.12 | Erroneous | or -o7, or whatever it is |
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| 22:43.17 | Winny | hmm |
| 22:43.49 | Winny | the header of the site is hard to do the like footer... depending on your screensize you see ~600-2000px of header. |
| 22:44.06 | Winny | whereas the footer acts like cap on the bottom...grr |
| 22:47.05 | AWOSLappy | Erroneous: -o9 is bad. I had -o7 |
| 22:50.25 | daxxar | Monstrous commit coming unless my cellphone battery dies |
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| 22:50.48 | daxxar | And thsi commit is costly! |
| 22:50.49 | CBG | Winny: here ya go... |
| 22:50.52 | daxxar | Bloody GPRS |
| 22:51.07 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03daxxar * r14668 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzrobots/ (21 files): (log message trimmed) |
| 22:51.07 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Added footer/header. |
| 22:51.07 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Created HitWallEvent. Added onHitWall. (Note, a FIXME in HitWallEvent#updateBot) |
| 22:51.07 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Added LocalPlayer#hasHitWall(), this is valid after a LocalPlayer#doUpdateMotion() |
| 22:51.07 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Events are now sent before RCReplies, automagically. ;-) (RCLink#send & #sendf overloaded in RCLinkBackend) |
| 22:51.11 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Created {Frontend,Backend}Logger, so we don't just spam stuff to stdout/err (sends to frontend.log & backend.log, svn:ignore now has these files) |
| 22:51.14 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Fixed segfault on unknown event. |
| 22:51.29 | daxxar | Thar she is. |
| 22:51.44 | CBG | ~daxxar++ |
| 22:51.47 | daxxar | I think I'll just disconnect now, so I have a few minutes of battery left on my cell. Watch some Dexter or something, then sleep the rest of te trip. |
| 22:52.07 | Winny | TimRiker: any thoughts?: http://my.bzflag.org/site/ |
| 22:52.29 | daxxar | I was looking for some annoying bug, and ended up making the code a lot easier to debug, and then I foudn out that the prolem was me not calling RCMessageFactory<RCEvent>::intialize(), so the RFactory didn't know any patterns |
| 22:52.39 | daxxar | (typoes brought to you by SSH+GRPS) |
| 22:52.46 | a_meteorite | TimRiker: Voice concerns or thoughts to either me or Winny, I did the CSS work, Winny did the image and mock-up work. :) |
| 22:52.52 | daxxar | Good night. :-) |
| 22:53.04 | Winny | a_meteorite: blast007 fits in there too... |
| 22:53.09 | a_meteorite | Yeah |
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| 22:54.12 | blast007 | this is what it's supposed to look like: http://demo.porteighty.org/bzflag.org/ |
| 22:54.39 | Winny | ah |
| 22:54.43 | a_meteorite | Yeah, that was my original design, but somewhere in the drupal conversion I think some stuff happened. |
| 22:54.45 | Winny | never knew about that page, I better bookmark it |
| 22:54.50 | blast007 | a_meteorite: that's after my tweaks |
| 22:54.56 | a_meteorite | blast007: what tweaks? :) |
| 22:54.57 | blast007 | and the drupal conversion is NOT complete |
| 22:55.07 | Winny | blast007: told him that about 20 times :P |
| 22:55.10 | a_meteorite | the sidebar changed, that's all I saw |
| 22:55.17 | a_meteorite | *see |
| 22:55.21 | blast007 | a_meteorite: I made the sidebar fluid too |
| 22:55.27 | a_meteorite | oh heh |
| 22:55.28 | blast007 | got rid of a lot of the 'px' stuff |
| 22:55.33 | blast007 | (except for borders) |
| 22:55.43 | a_meteorite | blast007: I did that cause we were gonna have those buttons |
| 22:55.50 | Winny | which aren't gunna wrk |
| 22:55.51 | blast007 | yeah, I didn't like those |
| 22:55.56 | Winny | work, even |
| 22:56.04 | a_meteorite | I liked them :P |
| 22:56.07 | Winny | :P |
| 22:56.15 | Winny | ooh, got an idea for the header... |
| 22:56.16 | CBG | Where is the difference? http://my.bzflag.org/site/ vs http://demo.porteighty.org/bzflag.org/ |
| 22:56.17 | Winny | yay |
| 22:56.25 | a_meteorite | CBG: date paddings |
| 22:56.26 | Winny | CBG: padding is better on porteighty |
| 22:56.35 | CBG | Wow, big whoop. |
| 22:56.43 | Winny | mbo is also on drupal |
| 22:56.44 | CBG | That's a one char change in the css. |
| 22:56.51 | Winny | p80 is a static page |
| 22:56.52 | a_meteorite | yeah, but I can't do that |
| 22:57.25 | AAA_awright | Added highest normalized score to the list of stats: http://bzflag.redjacket.ws/index.php/ |
| 22:58.00 | TimRiker | a_meteorite: hmm. and are you planning to redo the bb, stats, main site, wiki, etc? |
| 22:58.28 | a_meteorite | TimRiker: I wasn't asked to, but I would be willing to |
| 22:58.37 | Winny | err, wiki? |
| 23:00.14 | TimRiker | personally I don't think there's much call for changing the look. folks seem to like doing it though. There is motivation to merge the different parts. The wiki, the bb, image upload, and gameplay should all use the same user/password login. |
| 23:00.26 | TimRiker | b.o and my.b.o should be merged. |
| 23:00.37 | a_meteorite | the idea was the design, not the user stuff.. |
| 23:00.41 | TimRiker | stats need to get calculated when a server dials home, and not poll the world. etc. |
| 23:00.50 | a_meteorite | other people are taking care of the backend and stuff, iirc |
| 23:00.57 | TimRiker | who? |
| 23:01.12 | Winny | TimRiker: this bzflag.org would be much easier to manage, since it runs on drupal... |
| 23:01.21 | JeffM | the legion of ninifnate monkeys |
| 23:01.24 | a_meteorite | blast |
| 23:01.28 | Winny | not to mention it would be more eye-catching, IMHO. |
| 23:01.37 | TimRiker | Winny: the wiki and bb all run on drupal now? |
| 23:01.41 | AAA_awright | Love the new download page. http://my.bzflag.org/site/index.php?q=node/1 |
| 23:02.03 | Winny | TimRiker: no, the main bzf.org COULD. thats the idea behind what we showed you |
| 23:02.36 | TimRiker | Winny: and how does adding one more package that needs to be maintained without removing any of the existing ones make it "easier to maintain" ? |
| 23:02.51 | Winny | makes updating the main site much easier |
| 23:02.54 | Winny | IE: content |
| 23:03.08 | JeffM | TimRiker, I think the big reason on brlcad's side was they can all use ldap for auth |
| 23:03.19 | JeffM | so the sites auth the same as the game, etc.. |
| 23:03.33 | Erroneous | it's not difficult to add content to the main site. auth was the "big thing" |
| 23:03.54 | a_meteorite | basically we were showcasing the design to you, that was all.. |
| 23:04.03 | Erroneous | since we presently have like seven different user databases |
| 23:04.12 | a_meteorite | right, and drupal can use ldap |
| 23:04.15 | JeffM | consolodation = good :) |
| 23:04.31 | Winny | better design = good as well ;) (IMHO anyways) |
| 23:04.47 | Erroneous | more importantly, drupal has a module to *manage* ldap, iirc, whereas phpbb is readonly from it (again iirc) |
| 23:05.02 | KTL | *consolidation |
| 23:05.37 | JeffM | Winny, don't argue the design, it's not better, it's just difernt, argue the techincal merrits of the drupal system |
| 23:05.47 | JeffM | the "Look" isn't a feature and can be changed on a whim |
| 23:06.13 | Winny | JeffM: a good website is key... if we delivered that or not is key |
| 23:06.31 | Winny | s/key/yet decided |
| 23:06.33 | a_meteorite | is "on a whim" defined as two months? that's how long that took. :\ |
| 23:06.37 | a_meteorite | give or take |
| 23:07.06 | JeffM | a_meteorite, CSS mods are simple in comparision to converting all the various sites and game auth to a new system |
| 23:07.33 | a_meteorite | JeffM: of course, but Winny was simply showcasing to Tim the design. afaik, Winny is not changing the auth or any of that :) |
| 23:07.33 | JeffM | CSS / "look" mods are non breaking to the entire system, so yes they are minimal when compared to the entire system. |
| 23:07.54 | JeffM | a_meteorite, I know what Winny is showing Tim, Tim is commenting on the entire system :) |
| 23:08.02 | a_meteorite | :) |
| 23:08.05 | JeffM | and this is probably the first time he's heard/seen it |
| 23:08.18 | JeffM | so you have to expect him to ask the reasoning behind what's going on ;) |
| 23:08.41 | JeffM | ya need to understand the RikerCommuncationProtocol ;) |
| 23:08.45 | a_meteorite | hah |
| 23:08.46 | JeffM | it's up to V 2.5 now |
| 23:09.39 | CBG | V3 is available at SVN but still in an unstable state. |
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| 23:11.56 | TimRiker | argh... then I loose my net connect in the middle.... |
| 23:12.18 | TimRiker | most of the main site that needs updating is already in the wiki to make it "easier to manage". |
| 23:12.22 | TimRiker | adding an additional package, and one that happens to have a whole new set of dependencies does not make it "easier to manage". in fact it makes it more difficult to manage. |
| 23:12.34 | TimRiker | in fact, it means that those "ninifnate monkeys" that could be working on wiki and bb login integration will instead be working on the "easier to manage" site and the _extra_ work it will take to get it online. this means that the work like login integration that would make it easier to manage is pushed off even further. |
| 23:12.46 | Winny | wow, you type fast |
| 23:12.47 | TimRiker | so in short... It looks cool. but don't fool yourself into thinking for one microsecond that it makes anything easier. |
| 23:12.54 | TimRiker | having said all that, I have nothing against change. it's fine by me if folks are willing to step in and do the work. I really wish that folks would work on actually making things "easier to manage" though and not in adding more work and more complexity to the site. |
| 23:13.05 | a_meteorite | TimRiker: the people that are working on the design are not ones that could be working on auth and stuff |
| 23:13.07 | TimRiker | scrollback. from while I was kicked... |
| 23:13.35 | a_meteorite | in re: "like login integration that would make it easier to manage is pushed off even further" |
| 23:13.37 | TimRiker | a_meteorite: sure they are. it's not rocket science. it's just a matter of what folks choose to focus on. |
| 23:13.54 | a_meteorite | right, so login integration isn't being pushed back by working on the design |
| 23:14.09 | JeffM | TimRiker, they are just doing CSS/layout stuff, the backend guts are being worked on to ingetrage with an LDAP based auth system, that will make our userDB management easier on the backend ( that is the idea at least ) |
| 23:14.23 | JeffM | I think they just wanted your comments on the design |
| 23:14.38 | TimRiker | the design is fine. I wish it were "easier to manage". |
| 23:14.40 | Winny | Using Drupal == easier to add content / update the site... in all ways. |
| 23:15.00 | JeffM | personaly I don't think that site is easier to use for a user, and I don't like the design. |
| 23:15.26 | JeffM | but as I'm sure brlcad will aruge for you, drupal is a more extensalbe framework for that type of page. |
| 23:15.39 | CBG | TimRiker: what you missed: http://cbg.sh.nu:10000/bzflagpaste.txt |
| 23:16.22 | TimRiker | it looks really bad at 800x600 |
| 23:16.33 | JeffM | it looks realy bad at all reses IMHO ;) |
| 23:16.43 | JeffM | too much white, no depth, looks playschool |
| 23:17.12 | TimRiker | I don't mind the white. I agree with the playschool comment though. |
| 23:17.16 | JeffM | TimRiker, so have you ported BZ to your nokia 800? |
| 23:18.34 | TimRiker | http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fmy.bzflag.org%2Fsite%2Findex.php%3Fq%3Dnode%2F1 |
| 23:18.57 | TimRiker | JeffM: nope. Nokia still has not integrated the TI OpenGL-es code. |
| 23:19.06 | a_meteorite | it's not white. :) |
| 23:19.24 | a_meteorite | very subtle blue-grey, unless it was changed |
| 23:19.25 | JeffM | TimRiker, will they? |
| 23:19.30 | CBG | TimRiker: I'm suspecting a bunch of those errors are down to Drupal, not blast007/Winny/a_meteorite. |
| 23:19.36 | JeffM | TimRiker, I picke dup a 770 for cheap |
| 23:19.37 | spldart | splitting that mighty thin a_ |
| 23:19.43 | spldart | ;-) |
| 23:19.51 | Winny | CBG: no, they're mine I think |
| 23:19.51 | CBG | a_meteorite: uh, the background of the text? |
| 23:19.58 | a_meteorite | CBG: oh, yeah, that's white |
| 23:19.59 | CBG | Winny: ah, heh, ok |
| 23:20.01 | TimRiker | CBG: I don't care what they are due to. if there are more errors, then we have made incorrect choices. |
| 23:20.23 | TimRiker | it drupal won't generate standards compliant html, then it's a bad tool. |
| 23:21.25 | TimRiker | JeffM: so I heard. cool cool. but the 770 is the older (1710?) omap cpu. there is no hw 3d option there. but the price was much, much better I expect. |
| 23:21.40 | JeffM | 125$ |
| 23:21.46 | TimRiker | sweetness. |
| 23:21.48 | JeffM | yeah |
| 23:22.08 | CBG | TimRiker: I've had nothing to do with this until this evening, but it seems to me that Drupal will allow you to consolidate numerous databases into one (bzbb, bzflag.org, wiki, etc) using "idap". That is the main reason. All Winny/a_meteorite wanted you to look at was the design - how the site _looks_. The others want you to consider the backend, how it works, and how "IDAP" can help... |
| 23:22.08 | JeffM | mostly keep my roleplaying character sheets on it :) |
| 23:22.12 | JeffM | and maybe do some GPS |
| 23:22.53 | JeffM | CBG, Winny , a_meteorite your all taking his comments too personaly. Tim is commenting on the SYSTEM, not your work specificly. Just note down the issues and let the back end people know. you don't have to defend it |
| 23:23.14 | JeffM | let the backend people work out with tim the backend ;) |
| 23:23.34 | CBG | JeffM: I'm not taking anyone's comments any way at all. I'm trying to summarise because, to me, this whole conversation seems really confused. |
| 23:23.43 | JeffM | Id' sugest showing pictures of the site, as concept layouts so people can't pick the stuff you don't controll to death |
| 23:24.09 | TimRiker | CBG: so the "paint on the car" is ok. It could be better. Let me know when you know what kind of a car you want to be painting. |
| 23:24.14 | KTL | mmm the design tackles a horizontally stretched window very well :) |
| 23:24.47 | CBG | TimRiker: like I said, I'm not involved - unless someone wants me to be. I'm just trying to summarise what you missed. |
| 23:25.18 | TimRiker | CBG: :) |
| 23:26.12 | Winny | yay, down to 60 errors :P |
| 23:26.17 | JeffM | TimRiker, bzadmin should port to the nokias right? |
| 23:26.33 | TimRiker | as I said, changing the look of the site (again) is fine by me. It's more overhead for those who could be working on the backend instead, and that's bad. if someone wants to do the backend work... then whatever the heck they want the front end to look like, I'm overjoyed with. |
| 23:26.45 | TimRiker | JeffM: yes. |
| 23:27.11 | JeffM | wonder what will be faster the nokia or the SGI I just puchased on accedent |
| 23:27.28 | TimRiker | if someone is working on the front end, and not even bothering to run html validation on it, that does not give me any warm fuzzies. |
| 23:27.51 | JeffM | what does give you warm fuzzies? ;) |
| 23:27.57 | TimRiker | JeffM: for bz? the sgi. for anything not 3d, the 770. :) |
| 23:28.05 | JeffM | heh |
| 23:28.22 | JeffM | well I want the sgi for a bz, not the bz your thinking of, but the other one |
| 23:29.11 | TimRiker | JeffM: some mythical monkey stepping in with a completed backend solution, and a frontend running on it. That would give me warm fuzzies like you wouldn't believe. |
| 23:29.29 | JeffM | there are others working on that back end |
| 23:29.35 | JeffM | not those 3 |
| 23:29.47 | JeffM | blast, longdon, brlcad, etc.. |
| 23:30.31 | JeffM | and IIRC It's still in research state, brlcad just recently threw an ldap server on .bz for use in some experments |
| 23:31.15 | TimRiker | I guess I'll put it this way... whoever is doing the ldap work can choose whatever front ends they want from whoever offers. :) |
| 23:31.30 | JeffM | that is what they are doing |
| 23:31.37 | TimRiker | golden. |
| 23:31.42 | JeffM | picking the best one for each application |
| 23:32.30 | JeffM | tho from the web dev standpoint there is another front end on top of the front end you are talking about |
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| 23:32.56 | jude- | hello all |
| 23:33.01 | Winny | hey jude- |
| 23:33.07 | CBG | ~jude-++ |
| 23:33.09 | JeffM | word up G |
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| 23:38.27 | TimRiker | the urls like http://my.bzflag.org/site/index.php?q=node/13 are just ugly. Would they stay that way? meaningless numbers in urls are a Bad Thing. |
| 23:38.50 | Winny | TimRiker: havent enabled drupals "clean urls" yet :) |
| 23:39.22 | blast007 | TimRiker: yeah, that's wouldn't be the way I left it |
| 23:39.28 | TimRiker | contrast with: http://my.bzflag.org/w/Download .. bet you can guess what that link leads to. |
| 23:39.39 | blast007 | Drupal has support for named nodes |
| 23:40.28 | TimRiker | course http://BZFlag.org/Download would be ideal. Things to think about when moving towards merging the sites. |
| 23:41.26 | TimRiker | blast007: meaning that there are extra steps involved to create a non-native short url for each thing entered? That sound about opposite of "easier to manage" to me. |
| 23:41.43 | Winny | TimRiker: its included... it just needs to be enabled. |
| 23:42.00 | TimRiker | Winny: see previous comment. |
| 23:42.24 | blast007 | TimRiker: what kinds of things would you expect the main page to contain? |
| 23:42.44 | blast007 | just trying to predict what kind of system we need |
| 23:43.17 | TimRiker | bb, stats, download, contact info, licensing links, link to man pages, league links, irc info, etc. |
| 23:43.38 | blast007 | by main page, I meant, the stuff currently sitting at bzflag.org |
| 23:43.39 | TimRiker | wiki, ... |
| 23:43.41 | blast007 | the forum is seperate |
| 23:43.45 | blast007 | wiki is seperate |
| 23:43.59 | blast007 | so are stats |
| 23:44.06 | JeffM | stats could be merged in to |
| 23:44.09 | TimRiker | precisely my point. the wiki and the forums should not appear to be "separate". |
| 23:44.11 | blast007 | yeah, suppose |
| 23:45.08 | TimRiker | ideally one would not be presented with different navigation options in each. the wiki, forums, stats, league, help, download, etc would all feel the same. |
| 23:45.28 | blast007 | "the" league? |
| 23:45.36 | TimRiker | ok, make that leagues. |
| 23:45.39 | blast007 | :) |
| 23:45.42 | blast007 | they're run on their own |
| 23:45.46 | TimRiker | clans, etc. |
| 23:45.54 | JeffM | it would be nice to provide standard leauge services |
| 23:46.06 | blast007 | JeffM: I suppose |
| 23:46.09 | TimRiker | blast007: you asked me what I expected. not what we are currently doing. |
| 23:46.11 | Winny | JeffM: webleague? |
| 23:46.20 | blast007 | Winny: ewwwwww, no! |
| 23:46.34 | blast007 | I'd use FTP and HTML pages before I'd use web-league |
| 23:47.01 | TimRiker | blast007: isn't webleague "easier to manage" ? :) |
| 23:47.05 | JeffM | thats why I stay "standarised" leauges |
| 23:47.07 | blast007 | no |
| 23:48.10 | TimRiker | rss feeds for everthing would be nice. news, stats, leagues, downloads, svn commits, weather, ohh. sorry I got carried away. |
| 23:48.31 | menotume | leagues have rss :) |
| 23:48.43 | menotume | blast: feel free to rewrite for multiple leagues :) |
| 23:48.50 | Winny | hmm... |
| 23:48.51 | Winny | http://linux1.no/phpbb_drupal/ |
| 23:48.56 | TimRiker | yes, bugs in SF have rss too. but they are not all integrated. |
| 23:49.16 | AAA_awright | CBG: What is idap? it fails the google test. |
| 23:49.25 | Winny | AAA_awright: LDAP |
| 23:49.30 | AAA_awright | Right. |
| 23:49.34 | Winny | Left. |
| 23:49.43 | AAA_awright | *gasp* |
| 23:50.40 | Constitution | must be Apple's version of LDAP |
| 23:51.13 | AWOSLappy | lolol |
| 23:51.24 | TimRiker | http://drupal.org/node/44977 (/me luvs those nice content-free urls.... not) |
| 23:51.46 | CBG | heh. I musta read it wrong. |
| 23:51.56 | TimRiker | that would be iLDAP, no? :) |
| 23:52.04 | CBG | :P |
| 23:52.08 | TimRiker | perhaps illDap |
| 23:52.53 | TimRiker | well, utah has the odd holiday today. I'm off to a picnic. |
| 23:53.17 | Winny | bye |
| 23:53.32 | AWOSLappy | Bye! |
| 23:53.48 | TimRiker | I hope I'm not discouraging anyone. I do welcome participation, I just get cranky when folks that are causing others more work present it as "making it easier". |
| 23:54.23 | TimRiker | it's fine to cause others more work if there is a justifiable gain. |
| 23:54.25 | blast007 | menotume: already started a league system...just doesn't have the league features yet :) |
| 23:55.15 | TimRiker | first in the queue to a get a new 2u server hosted at xmission. I'll update here when it happens. |
| 23:55.24 | TimRiker | cya! |
