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| 00:37.53 | AAA_awright | the latest 2.1 bzflag client gives me a segfault on Linux. I don't have the official OpenGL drivers installed. |
| 00:38.03 | AAA_awright | bzfs is okay. |
| 00:39.34 | AAA_awright | Any help at all? |
| 00:46.54 | blast007 | official OpenGL drivers...? |
| 00:47.01 | donny_baker | only use bzfs? |
| 00:47.02 | blast007 | what OS? |
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| 00:47.19 | blast007 | AAA_awright: did you build debug? did you run it through GDB? |
| 00:47.51 | AAA_awright | Right. Um. I think debug is enabled |
| 00:48.10 | blast007 | did you do --enable-debug when you configured? |
| 00:48.56 | Winny | spam alert: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11178 |
| 00:51.04 | AAA_awright | Is there a list of bzflag bb moderators? Ping JeffM |
| 00:52.46 | donny_baker | AAA_awright: i think this is relatively accurate http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=891 |
| 00:53.36 | AAA_awright | Thanks. Would be nice to make it a usergroup... Or have ibot tell you. |
| 00:54.17 | AAA_awright | ~forummods are L4m3r DTRemenak Learner Blast TimRiker Bryjen donny_baker |
| 00:54.17 | ibot | AAA_awright: okay |
| 00:54.41 | Winny | ~forummods |
| 00:54.41 | ibot | forummods are L4m3r DTRemenak Learner Blast TimRiker Bryjen donny_baker |
| 00:55.21 | Winny | ~bzbbadmins is <reply> see '~forummods' |
| 00:55.22 | ibot | Winny: okay |
| 00:55.38 | AAA_awright | ~bzbbadmins |
| 00:55.47 | Winny | hmm |
| 00:56.18 | Winny | ibot: bzbbadmins |
| 00:56.24 | Winny | interesting... |
| 00:56.49 | Winny | ibot: forget bzbbadmins |
| 00:56.49 | ibot | Winny: i forgot bzbbadmins |
| 00:56.53 | AAA_awright | ~bzbbmods is an alias to forummods |
| 00:56.54 | ibot | okay, AAA_awright |
| 00:56.58 | AAA_awright | ~bzbbmod |
| 00:56.59 | AAA_awright | ~bzbbmods |
| 00:57.00 | ibot | rumour has it, bzbbmods is an alias to forummods |
| 00:57.12 | AAA_awright | ~forget bzbbmods |
| 00:57.12 | ibot | i forgot bzbbmods, AAA_awright |
| 00:57.23 | Winny | AAA_awright: time to start PMing the bot :) |
| 00:57.29 | AAA_awright | Yep. |
| 00:58.17 | AAA_awright | Winny: |
| 00:58.20 | AAA_awright | ~help reply |
| 00:59.01 | Winny | AAA_awright: ? |
| 01:08.44 | AAA_awright | Winny: <reply> just makes ibot drop the "X is" that is prepended |
| 01:09.37 | AAA_awright | e.x. |
| 01:09.40 | AAA_awright | ~AAA_awright |
| 01:09.40 | ibot | PHP Wizard |
| 01:09.53 | Winny | I know how to use ibot, no need to give me a lessen. |
| 01:09.57 | Winny | err, lesson. |
| 01:10.09 | AAA_awright | I thought you were making an alias |
| 01:10.15 | Winny | nope |
| 01:10.44 | AAA_awright | <reply> see '~forummods' |
| 01:11.45 | Winny | ...your point is? |
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| 01:52.18 | Epyon | ping if anyone needs me |
| 02:44.49 | Winny | blast007: pingy |
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| 02:58.52 | jude- | hello all |
| 03:00.57 | Winny | hey jude- |
| 03:01.29 | Winny | errr |
| 03:01.33 | jude- | brlcad: that's what happens when one is away from an Internet connection for too long :) |
| 03:01.47 | brlcad | :) |
| 03:01.58 | JeffM | oh man, that's rich.. DTRemenak so I converted your VC8 files for bzworkbench into VC7.1 files |
| 03:02.00 | JeffM | guess ho |
| 03:02.02 | JeffM | how |
| 03:02.03 | jude- | heh--the hotel I was at only got around to putting phones in about 6 years ago :P |
| 03:02.09 | DTRemenak | JeffM: changed the version number? |
| 03:02.12 | JeffM | yeah |
| 03:02.16 | DTRemenak | :) |
| 03:02.19 | jude- | lol |
| 03:02.33 | DTRemenak | they're xml, so the extra vc8 files do jack on vc7 |
| 03:02.35 | JeffM | FL is the fast light toolkit? |
| 03:02.39 | jude- | right |
| 03:02.41 | DTRemenak | yeah, FLTK |
| 03:03.00 | JeffM | premade bins or you do from source? |
| 03:03.09 | jude- | premade bins + dev packages |
| 03:03.14 | jude- | FLTK 1.1.7 |
| 03:03.17 | DTRemenak | I did from source |
| 03:03.22 | DTRemenak | but I'm weird that way |
| 03:03.38 | jude- | nah--I'm just not that patient :P |
| 03:03.44 | JeffM | all I see is tarballs |
| 03:03.57 | jude- | at their website? |
| 03:04.00 | JeffM | ja |
| 03:04.07 | jude- | I got them from Debian's repos |
| 03:04.15 | JeffM | well thos won't work on windows ;) |
| 03:04.19 | jude- | quite |
| 03:04.37 | DTRemenak | jude-: include\widgets\quicklabel.h(10) : error C2871: 'std' : a namespace with this name does not exist |
| 03:04.50 | jude- | huh? |
| 03:04.53 | jude- | std doesn't exist? |
| 03:05.03 | DTRemenak | can't specify empty namespaces in vc...have to include a header that USES namespace std |
| 03:05.09 | JeffM | FLTK 1 or 2? |
| 03:05.15 | jude- | JeffM: 1.1.7 |
| 03:05.19 | DTRemenak | since you aren't using it, I recommend removing the line ;) |
| 03:05.23 | jude- | right |
| 03:06.03 | jude- | I guess it's a force of habit :P |
| 03:06.17 | brlcad | DTRemenak: weird that way, or just weird? :) |
| 03:06.29 | DTRemenak | brlcad: weird that way, and others...so maybe just weird :) |
| 03:07.42 | brlcad | :) |
| 03:09.05 | brlcad | anyone get a chance to try out the ftgl branch to see if the latest hud looks better? |
| 03:09.16 | brlcad | particularly someone on a low fps system |
| 03:09.24 | AWOSLappy | brlcad: pong |
| 03:09.29 | AWOSLappy | :P |
| 03:09.41 | jude- | brlcad: regarding setting up the HTTP IRC interface... |
| 03:10.09 | AWOSLappy | brlcad: where to get it? svn? |
| 03:12.06 | brlcad | jude-: hm? |
| 03:12.18 | brlcad | AWOSLappy: yeah, branches/ftgl |
| 03:12.25 | AWOSLappy | mmkay |
| 03:12.47 | jude- | brlcad: I couldn't get it to work that one night when port 6667 was blocked...you asked me to ping you about it |
| 03:12.58 | brlcad | looking for both a comparison to how it performs compared to svn head, as well as just impressions on how it looks |
| 03:13.09 | brlcad | jude-: what is "it"? |
| 03:13.17 | jude- | the HTTP IRC interface |
| 03:13.19 | brlcad | the cgi:irc interfacE? |
| 03:13.21 | jude- | right |
| 03:13.29 | brlcad | ah, okay |
| 03:13.39 | brlcad | do you know if port 22 is open? |
| 03:13.55 | jude- | currently, it is IIRC |
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| 03:14.12 | jude- | I don't really have a way to test it, however.... |
| 03:14.33 | jude- | (that I can think of) |
| 03:14.45 | brlcad | telnet bzflag.bz 22 |
| 03:14.59 | brlcad | just don't do it too many times ;) |
| 03:15.35 | DTRemenak | eventhandlers\selecthandler.cpp(476) : error C4716: 'selectHandler::shiftSelector' : must return a value |
| 03:15.50 | jude- | brlcad: says it was connected...but I got a protocol mismatch |
| 03:15.55 | brlcad | ooh, ipv6 |
| 03:16.04 | brlcad | yeah, that means you're not blocked |
| 03:16.13 | jude- | DTRemenak: huh. that's only a warning in GCC |
| 03:16.20 | brlcad | so if you want, I could set you up on the server and you could connect from irssi |
| 03:16.29 | DTRemenak | jude-: what does gcc return by default then? |
| 03:16.39 | jude- | DTRemenak: I dunno; that method is never called |
| 03:16.39 | DTRemenak | doesn't make any sense for the compiler to pick |
| 03:16.46 | DTRemenak | ahh |
| 03:16.53 | jude- | brlcad: sure, if you don't mind of course :) |
| 03:16.55 | brlcad | return 42; |
| 03:17.27 | DTRemenak | brlcad: it's a bool :P |
| 03:17.40 | jude- | (bool)42 == true :_ |
| 03:17.42 | jude- | *:) |
| 03:17.43 | brlcad | well, then that'd be a true value now wouldn't it ;) |
| 03:17.47 | DTRemenak | *sigh* |
| 03:18.24 | brlcad | performance on a function that is never called |
| 03:18.30 | jude- | indeed |
| 03:18.33 | brlcad | I'd bet money on it not impacting performance :) |
| 03:18.38 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 03:18.41 | brlcad | more fun though, is when that's a pointer |
| 03:18.45 | DTRemenak | need to profiler to find out ;) |
| 03:20.08 | JeffM | wow.. cmake is one confusing bit of software |
| 03:20.13 | jude- | DTRemenak: I guess if it did return ANYTHING, it would return data starting at eax |
| 03:20.24 | DTRemenak | JeffM: the osg build setup on windows is absolutely nuts |
| 03:20.30 | jude- | heh |
| 03:21.12 | DTRemenak | and don't even think about building it from your desktop; a space in the path will break it ;) |
| 03:21.16 | JeffM | jude-, only if you want people to actualy USE it |
| 03:21.28 | JeffM | jude-, 99.5% of our windows user have no compiler |
| 03:21.36 | jude- | sad, isn't it :) |
| 03:21.49 | JeffM | no |
| 03:21.51 | JeffM | not really |
| 03:21.54 | JeffM | just the way of things |
| 03:21.54 | jude- | Linux and Mac ship with GCC, and Windows ships with Solitaire |
| 03:21.58 | JeffM | most people arn't developers |
| 03:22.05 | JeffM | and they just want to click and go |
| 03:22.14 | JeffM | OSX dosn't install dev tools by default |
| 03:22.19 | jude- | ...so I'll provide a binary installer once the project stabilizes :) |
| 03:22.28 | JeffM | yes you'll need to |
| 03:22.35 | JeffM | or someone will need too |
| 03:22.39 | jude- | no problem....just need to figure out how to make them :) |
| 03:22.40 | JeffM | NSIS to the rescue |
| 03:22.44 | JeffM | they are cake |
| 03:23.06 | blast007 | and hey, I love making NSIS scripts ;) so if you need one... |
| 03:23.26 | jude- | that'd be cool, if you feel like it and if it's not against the rules :) |
| 03:23.39 | jude- | ~wiki NSIS |
| 03:23.45 | JeffM | it's not |
| 03:23.55 | JeffM | an installer is an ancilary part of the dev |
| 03:23.58 | JeffM | it's realy packaging |
| 03:24.05 | jude- | nice |
| 03:24.26 | JeffM | DTRemenak, still dies |
| 03:24.28 | JeffM | oh well |
| 03:24.55 | AWOSLappy | DTRemenak died!? |
| 03:24.56 | DTRemenak | JeffM: it's not the easiest thing to build. I could give you my stuff but it's all build with vc8, dunno how well it would link |
| 03:25.21 | JeffM | it tells me it can't compile a sample |
| 03:25.29 | JeffM | when all I need it to do is make bloody sln files |
| 03:25.46 | DTRemenak | tell it to skip it |
| 03:25.52 | DTRemenak | there's a force thing iirc |
| 03:26.10 | JeffM | aww hell, it's trying to use VC6 |
| 03:26.18 | jude- | lol |
| 03:26.24 | DTRemenak | there's a separate batch file for .net iirc |
| 03:26.26 | DTRemenak | there is for vc8 |
| 03:26.54 | jude- | DEFINITELY need to make a binary installer...and ship FLTK and OSG dlls :) |
| 03:27.02 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 03:27.08 | JeffM | batch? |
| 03:27.20 | jude- | fortunately, they're both LGPL'ed |
| 03:27.30 | DTRemenak | JeffM: yeah |
| 03:27.32 | JeffM | there instructions say "drag the txt file onto the cmake window" |
| 03:27.36 | DTRemenak | that's how you build the slns |
| 03:27.38 | DTRemenak | ... |
| 03:27.44 | DTRemenak | which instructions are you reading? |
| 03:27.54 | JeffM | the ones they pointed me to on the web |
| 03:27.56 | JeffM | from the readme |
| 03:28.07 | DTRemenak | in the source package, there's a README_vs71.txt |
| 03:28.12 | DTRemenak | follow THOSE instructions |
| 03:28.37 | DTRemenak | However, rather than loading those workspaces directly, I recommend using the corresponding .bat scripts, which will configure essential environment variables, then launch VS7.1: RUN_vs71_OSG.bat RUN_vs71_OSG+xtra.bat |
| 03:28.49 | DTRemenak | --from the readme |
| 03:29.14 | JeffM | where is that readme? |
| 03:29.23 | DTRemenak | root directory of the source thing |
| 03:29.39 | DTRemenak | ahhh...I bet you got the sources directly |
| 03:29.50 | DTRemenak | download their binary libraries, then unpack source.zip from in there |
| 03:29.56 | JeffM | from the file OpenSceenGraph.zip? |
| 03:30.08 | blast007 | DTRemenak: that sounds intuitive |
| 03:30.18 | DTRemenak | blast007: have I not mentioned that it's a pain? :) |
| 03:30.23 | blast007 | ;) |
| 03:30.35 | DTRemenak | JeffM: osg2.0.0_vs71_setup_2007-06-19.exe |
| 03:30.47 | JeffM | where the hell did you get THAT? |
| 03:30.53 | DTRemenak | from their download page |
| 03:31.11 | JeffM | no that was from ther MAIN page |
| 03:31.16 | JeffM | the download page has something totaly difrent |
| 03:31.21 | DTRemenak | "Win32 binaries installer .exe version" |
| 03:31.31 | JeffM | yeah I clicked on downloads |
| 03:31.34 | JeffM | then current release |
| 03:31.37 | DTRemenak | http://www.openscenegraph.org |
| 03:31.40 | JeffM | cus ya know, I can READ |
| 03:31.40 | DTRemenak | then click Downloads |
| 03:31.48 | DTRemenak | not from their sf site |
| 03:31.51 | JeffM | I know |
| 03:31.54 | DTRemenak | k |
| 03:31.54 | JeffM | that's where I was |
| 03:32.11 | JeffM | I opened the + and hit current release |
| 03:32.24 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 03:32.37 | DTRemenak | yay for intuitive website design |
| 03:32.40 | JeffM | and that takes you to a totlay difrent file then the one on the main page for jsut downloads |
| 03:32.45 | AWOSLappy | brlcad: ftgl d/led, compiling now |
| 03:34.01 | AWOSLappy | jude-: bases? |
| 03:34.26 | jude- | AWOSLappy: working on it as we speak |
| 03:34.35 | AWOSLappy | jude-: ok |
| 03:34.39 | jude- | specifically, the code that changes it's team |
| 03:35.04 | brlcad | AWOSLappy: cool |
| 03:35.11 | brlcad | do you have latest head compiled too already? |
| 03:35.32 | brlcad | good to have a stable comparison, like using an empty map |
| 03:35.49 | AWOSLappy | brlcad: I have the head compiled, but I have no empty maps |
| 03:35.54 | AWOSLappy | I didn't compile server |
| 03:36.32 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r14626 10/trunk/bzworkbench/MSVC/VC8/BZWorkbench.vcproj: new files |
| 03:36.39 | jude- | ~DTRemenak++ |
| 03:36.42 | jude- | thanks :) |
| 03:37.31 | JeffM | this is horible |
| 03:37.32 | AWOSLappy | oh the noes |
| 03:37.33 | Epyon | Nullsoft? |
| 03:37.36 | Epyon | Duh |
| 03:37.36 | AWOSLappy | not VC71 |
| 03:37.39 | brlcad | I can run one |
| 03:37.47 | AWOSLappy | brlcad: okay that'd be great |
| 03:38.03 | Epyon | Duh, ignore the previous comment xP |
| 03:38.14 | DTRemenak | JeffM: yeah, they need some serious help |
| 03:38.24 | Epyon | Maaan, what am I still doing up... |
| 03:38.25 | DTRemenak | JeffM: it's even better when you need to build non-default plugins |
| 03:38.32 | DTRemenak | like the png plugin |
| 03:38.44 | AWOSLappy | Epyon: having fun? coding? both? |
| 03:38.45 | JeffM | it shiped with a cahce file that pointed to an E drive |
| 03:38.58 | AWOSLappy | well I'm at obstacle, brlcad |
| 03:39.06 | brlcad | AWOSLappy: bzflag.bz:59999 |
| 03:39.12 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: lol, back in 2002 that was my dev drive |
| 03:39.16 | Epyon | AWOSLappy, as for now, yeah, having fun. But not coding xP |
| 03:39.21 | AWOSLappy | Epyon: hehe |
| 03:39.25 | AWOSLappy | brlcad: okay, starting now |
| 03:39.44 | Epyon | AWOSLappy, actually drinking beer... but wait, disregard that xP |
| 03:39.56 | Epyon | brlcad, tommorow :) |
| 03:40.29 | JeffM | yep it's prety much unbuildable here |
| 03:40.51 | JeffM | what is OSG doing for the editor? just culling? |
| 03:40.54 | Epyon | Today I actually did work on BZWGen, but theoretical. I think I have a nice idea, and if it'll work out, you'd gget a lot better results :) |
| 03:41.01 | jude- | JeffM: rendering |
| 03:41.10 | JeffM | no, GL is doing the rendering |
| 03:41.18 | JeffM | what is OSG doing for you |
| 03:41.21 | JeffM | besides culling |
| 03:41.25 | JeffM | materials? |
| 03:41.37 | jude- | scenegraph stuff: materials, texture matrixes, dynamic colors, transformations, culling, etc |
| 03:41.51 | JeffM | ok, then easy enouhg to replace later |
| 03:42.06 | jude- | also file loading |
| 03:42.13 | jude- | and lighting |
| 03:42.18 | JeffM | what kinda of file? |
| 03:42.22 | jude- | everything |
| 03:42.26 | JeffM | speciflcy |
| 03:42.27 | JeffM | images? |
| 03:42.32 | jude- | png and obj right now |
| 03:42.40 | jude- | ...but more later |
| 03:42.41 | JeffM | we have readers for both of those |
| 03:42.48 | JeffM | BZ dosn't have a complex lighing system, so that's moot |
| 03:42.49 | awilcox | brlcad |
| 03:42.54 | JeffM | we only suport png.. |
| 03:42.54 | awilcox | Error connecting to server. |
| 03:42.57 | awilcox | bzflag.bz port 59999 |
| 03:42.58 | DTRemenak | it's nice to use an existing system, JeffM |
| 03:43.01 | DTRemenak | bzflag should too :) |
| 03:43.08 | JeffM | DTRemenak, sure, just one that dosn't suck |
| 03:43.21 | DTRemenak | I was quite happy with osg actually |
| 03:43.28 | DTRemenak | just building it on windows is a bitch |
| 03:43.28 | jude- | JeffM: I seem to recall asking around for other people's opinions on scenegraphs a month ago... |
| 03:43.29 | JeffM | cus it would build for you ;) |
| 03:43.39 | DTRemenak | the framework itself is quite nice though |
| 03:43.41 | JeffM | jude-, just means you didn't catch everyone |
| 03:44.00 | jude- | DTRemenak: right--very maluable |
| 03:44.01 | JeffM | I'm sure it's fine code, it's just all but unbuildable here |
| 03:44.11 | DTRemenak | except that they don't use .h OR .hpp in their header file names, so VC doesn't recognize them as source files for "Go To Definition" |
| 03:44.13 | JeffM | mehh no worries tho |
| 03:44.18 | awilcox | brlcad: bzflag-alpha + compiling = demanding on my lappy... |
| 03:44.19 | JeffM | what do they use? |
| 03:44.24 | DTRemenak | nothing |
| 03:44.29 | JeffM | eww |
| 03:44.31 | DTRemenak | c++ standard, no extension on headers |
| 03:44.46 | DTRemenak | there's a reason nobody else follows that though... |
| 03:45.12 | brlcad | awilcox: only trunk or ftgl branch |
| 03:45.25 | JeffM | with a build system that complex, they should release a set of dev bins |
| 03:45.27 | awilcox | brlcad: trunk. bzflag.bz:59999 = Error connecting to server. |
| 03:45.37 | DTRemenak | JeffM: their binary build ships with the libs |
| 03:45.43 | brlcad | er, I just connected to it fine.. try again |
| 03:45.44 | DTRemenak | release-only though |
| 03:46.00 | DTRemenak | it's good enough to link and run, just not to debug or modify |
| 03:46.00 | awilcox | I am in |
| 03:46.09 | JeffM | where are they? |
| 03:46.11 | brlcad | maybe limitd to one player |
| 03:46.36 | AWOSLappy | okies |
| 03:46.42 | AWOSLappy | got between 26-31fps |
| 03:46.46 | AWOSLappy | depends on what I was doing |
| 03:46.54 | JeffM | ahh found it |
| 03:47.04 | jude- | JeffM: I'm sorry this is causing you a lot of grief... |
| 03:47.14 | jude- | had I known it was difficult to build on Windows, I'd have used something else |
| 03:47.14 | DTRemenak | jude-: he'll get over it |
| 03:47.21 | AWOSLappy | brlcad: compiler is on geometry |
| 03:47.45 | DTRemenak | jude-: almost every other system is similarly difficult to build. ogre is a PITA. |
| 03:47.57 | jude- | I see |
| 03:48.11 | jude- | that was my second choice |
| 03:48.12 | DTRemenak | they are very large, multiplatform, and riddled with dependencies |
| 03:48.17 | blast007 | a full build of ogre took up a lot of space ;) |
| 03:48.37 | DTRemenak | osg is one of the best lightweight ones imho |
| 03:48.48 | jude- | it certainly is a pleasure to work with :) |
| 03:49.10 | brlcad | AWOSLappy: wow, that is pretty slow, good test |
| 03:49.12 | jude- | I'm especially pleased that it is widget-set and input-system independent |
| 03:49.34 | DTRemenak | yeah, it's very nonintrusive |
| 03:49.35 | brlcad | mine goes from about 280-300 fps to 270-290 fps with ftgl at the moment |
| 03:49.40 | AWOSLappy | brlcad: lol |
| 03:49.41 | AWOSLappy | thanks |
| 03:49.42 | AWOSLappy | I think |
| 03:50.16 | DTRemenak | it's somewhat difficult to debug in, but primarily because of the silly header naming convention |
| 03:50.24 | jude- | heh |
| 03:50.34 | DTRemenak | and the really deep object inheritance trees |
| 03:50.38 | jude- | yup |
| 03:50.38 | brlcad | which is of course about a 3-4% performance hit, which I could live with if that scales all the way down to your fps rate too |
| 03:50.54 | jude- | fortunately, their website has UML diagrams of it all, and the headers are pretty well-documented |
| 03:51.15 | DTRemenak | yeah, the documentation is good, and the guys on irc are pretty friendly too |
| 03:51.28 | jude- | I just wish there were more tutorials :) |
| 03:51.34 | DTRemenak | there are samples :) |
| 03:51.41 | Epyon | DTRemenak, they are? o.O |
| 03:51.47 | jude- | heh--those are pretty useful |
| 03:51.57 | JeffM | warnings amundia! |
| 03:51.57 | DTRemenak | Epyon: is that a surprise? |
| 03:52.06 | Epyon | ;] |
| 03:52.14 | DTRemenak | JeffM: yeah, fltk is SO not 64-bit clean |
| 03:52.16 | Epyon | Just throwing around random confusion xP |
| 03:52.43 | JeffM | it's also telling me that it can't do a dynamic cast with /GR |
| 03:52.50 | JeffM | well it's a warning I'd guess |
| 03:52.51 | DTRemenak | ah, that's an 8 thing |
| 03:53.06 | DTRemenak | 8 can, 7.1 can't |
| 03:53.23 | DTRemenak | should be able to disable /GR |
| 03:53.24 | JeffM | ok, don't have a vsnprintf |
| 03:53.37 | JeffM | what option is /GR? |
| 03:53.55 | DTRemenak | RTTI |
| 03:54.05 | JeffM | and there is an error, shiftSelector dosn't return a value |
| 03:54.13 | DTRemenak | yeah, I already told him about that one |
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| 03:54.21 | DTRemenak | he said it wasn't used, but that was a lie :) |
| 03:54.35 | jude- | it is used? |
| 03:54.37 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 03:54.39 | jude- | oops |
| 03:54.40 | JeffM | it compiles :) |
| 03:54.59 | jude- | well, it's a half-truth--execution never reaches that code :) |
| 03:55.10 | JeffM | it's still not valid C++ ;) |
| 03:55.19 | jude- | it works with g++ |
| 03:55.22 | JeffM | also seriously people, doubles ARE NOT FLOATS |
| 03:55.26 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 03:55.29 | jude- | heh |
| 03:55.30 | AWOSLappy | lol |
| 03:55.44 | jude- | after the 6th decimal place, it probably doesn't matter anyway :) |
| 03:55.47 | brlcad | interesting profile.. sin and cos actually make an appearance now as the top calls (on trunk) |
| 03:55.48 | DTRemenak | JeffM: hm, I thought I had him fix all those :) |
| 03:56.12 | DTRemenak | unless they're in fltk |
| 03:56.12 | jude- | where are these errors, and how do I get g++ to report them? |
| 03:56.13 | JeffM | jude-, a double is bigger, get a warning when you downcast |
| 03:56.41 | JeffM | also you should not return a refrence to a non static temp |
| 03:56.43 | DTRemenak | jude-: you probably can't |
| 03:56.46 | JeffM | return a copy |
| 03:56.49 | jude- | JeffM: I know...I'm just saying that in BZFlag, after the 6th decimal place, the significance of the remaining part of the number doesn't really affect much of anything |
| 03:57.01 | JeffM | jude-, sure, then make them all floats |
| 03:57.03 | DTRemenak | and he knows about the returning a temp reference |
| 03:57.04 | jude- | JeffM: that method is never called in Model |
| 03:57.05 | JeffM | 1.0f, not 1.0 ;) |
| 03:57.12 | JeffM | jude-, it's compiled |
| 03:57.41 | jude- | does it run? |
| 03:58.19 | JeffM | ohh dude I haven't even GOT there yet |
| 03:58.45 | JeffM | have to take care of vsnprinf first |
| 03:59.28 | DTRemenak | # define vsnprintf(buf, size, fmt, list) vsprintf(buf, fmt, list) |
| 03:59.57 | DTRemenak | that's how bzflag handles it |
| 04:01.52 | jude- | which demo? |
| 04:02.05 | Epyon | http://www.theprodukkt.com/debris |
| 04:02.09 | JeffM | does it need a data dir? |
| 04:02.29 | jude- | you need to execute bzworkbench from the root of the tree |
| 04:02.44 | Epyon | I need to learn a LOT to get hold of the standards -_- |
| 04:02.48 | DTRemenak | Epyon: mmm...I'd recommend not judging yourself too harshly agains the theprodukkt people :) |
| 04:02.49 | jude- | it depends on the location of share/ |
| 04:03.10 | Epyon | DTRemenak, this is the only way I can go -- hoping to surpass them :( |
| 04:03.38 | DTRemenak | and certainly not as far as graphics go...we can't do shaders or anything yet |
| 04:03.50 | Epyon | But each next demo of theirs just kicks me further into the ground ;( |
| 04:04.50 | JeffM | good lord, don't the OSG peoplek now they can put MORE then one thing in a DLL? |
| 04:05.01 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 04:05.20 | jude- | lol |
| 04:05.26 | jude- | how many DLLs? |
| 04:05.32 | DTRemenak | they do...they put like five or six classes in each DLL :P |
| 04:05.57 | Epyon | I have only three sources I can compare with - the Infinity project, theprodukkt people and the SIGGRAPH citygen stuff. And in each comparision I only feel how far I'm behind :/ |
| 04:06.05 | jude- | it's very object-oriented |
| 04:06.09 | DTRemenak | jude-: their standard distribution is 104 DLLs |
| 04:06.11 | JeffM | wow, you REALY like to use "this" dion't you? |
| 04:06.16 | jude- | me? |
| 04:06.20 | DTRemenak | yes you :P |
| 04:06.28 | jude- | is that a problem? I can stop... |
| 04:06.32 | JeffM | yeah stop |
| 04:06.37 | JeffM | WHY even do it? |
| 04:06.42 | DTRemenak | heh, it's just extra typing |
| 04:06.54 | jude- | to make sure I'm referencing members of the class |
| 04:06.59 | Epyon | Seems like a Javaism to me... |
| 04:07.04 | DTRemenak | jude-: turn on -Wshadow |
| 04:07.13 | JeffM | it crashes nice |
| 04:07.14 | DTRemenak | then you will be referencing the ONLY variable of that name |
| 04:07.26 | eTangenT | to whom it may concern: You can reject that image I just submitted to BZIS |
| 04:07.29 | JeffM | jude-, yeah if your NOT sure, you got other coding issues |
| 04:07.34 | jude- | that, and "this->" will print out a list of members of the class in Eclipse...it prevents me from re-reading my interface over and over :) |
| 04:07.49 | jude- | JeffM: I'm not sure about the future |
| 04:07.50 | JeffM | jude-, get a better autocomplete |
| 04:08.03 | JeffM | well it crashes nice |
| 04:08.11 | DTRemenak | where's it crash? |
| 04:08.12 | jude- | details? |
| 04:08.17 | DTRemenak | runs nicely for me |
| 04:08.21 | jude- | and me |
| 04:08.22 | JeffM | configure object |
| 04:08.49 | jude- | i.e. can you give me a crash output? |
| 04:08.52 | JeffM | looks to be in OSG |
| 04:08.57 | JeffM | nope, don't have debug OSG |
| 04:09.08 | DTRemenak | ah, probably build options then |
| 04:09.25 | DTRemenak | you have it set to build against MT/DLL |
| 04:09.26 | JeffM | goes into configure object, then std::multiset then deep down there, then barf |
| 04:09.27 | DTRemenak | ? |
| 04:09.39 | JeffM | I have it set to however the VC8 one was :) |
| 04:09.57 | DTRemenak | JeffM: no, you don't...there IS NO runtime option in VC8 |
| 04:09.58 | JeffM | yeah MT, Dll |
| 04:10.02 | jude- | hmm...I don't use multisets anywhere... |
| 04:10.10 | JeffM | DTRemenak, there is, it's just hidden |
| 04:10.22 | JeffM | IIRC 8 is always MT DLL |
| 04:10.25 | DTRemenak | hidden and forced |
| 04:10.27 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 04:10.42 | JeffM | it ran for a bit till I clicked around a blank plane |
| 04:11.07 | Epyon | But one day I'll get there... oh hell I will. |
| 04:11.13 | DTRemenak | it did the same for me until I built my own osg |
| 04:11.40 | DTRemenak | crash traces looked like it was jacking the stack up during the cross-dll calls |
| 04:12.10 | JeffM | well that apereantly won't be happening |
| 04:12.26 | brlcad | Epyon: that is impressive |
| 04:12.32 | DTRemenak | won't build from the zip for you? |
| 04:12.44 | brlcad | but yeah, not exactly a fair comparison |
| 04:12.48 | DTRemenak | the binary installer should have dropped a "source.zip" in the directory it installed to |
| 04:12.54 | DTRemenak | that has the build stuff and instructions |
| 04:13.34 | JeffM | naw |
| 04:13.37 | JeffM | cmake geeks on it |
| 04:13.39 | JeffM | big time |
| 04:13.42 | Epyon | brlcad, it's the only I have. |
| 04:13.44 | DTRemenak | no spaces in your path? |
| 04:13.49 | Winny | is there a way to not allow people to join a server if they aren't in a group? |
| 04:13.52 | JeffM | nope |
| 04:13.59 | JeffM | but I do have 2 versions of VC installed ;) |
| 04:14.02 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 04:14.14 | Winny | like, so they're kicked before they can join OBS |
| 04:14.31 | brlcad | Epyon: well it certainly sets a bar to strive for -- there's a lot of glitz and polish that makes it look better than it really is |
| 04:14.39 | JeffM | hmm, so what lib defines a winmain? |
| 04:15.06 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: main? |
| 04:15.07 | DTRemenak | many libs do |
| 04:15.13 | DTRemenak | helps debugging |
| 04:15.28 | DTRemenak | rundll32 <name of dll> |
| 04:15.31 | AWOSLappy | brlcad: c:\Projects\ftgl\src\other\ftgl\inc\FTPoint.h(4): fatal error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'ft2build.h': No such file or directory |
| 04:15.35 | JeffM | AWOSLappy, no winmain |
| 04:15.49 | JeffM | DTRemenak, something here has it's own winmain allready |
| 04:15.53 | JeffM | so the app can't have one |
| 04:15.55 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: >_> no I mean, the main library |
| 04:16.08 | DTRemenak | JeffM: exported? that's bizarre |
| 04:16.17 | JeffM | yeah FLTK it seems |
| 04:16.26 | JeffM | was trying to get rid of the console |
| 04:16.31 | AWOSLappy | brlcad: 3D fatal error C1083: Cannot open source file: '\Projects\ftgl\src\3d\BitmapFont.cxx': No such file or directory |
| 04:16.31 | Epyon | brlcad, it's just that I know that there are no prozes for second place, And that pressure kills me. |
| 04:16.48 | Macrosoft | Epyon: ? |
| 04:17.12 | Epyon | Macrosoft, not talking about GSoC, here :P |
| 04:17.57 | JeffM | ahhh it's a "feature" of FLTKs winmain |
| 04:18.11 | DTRemenak | ah, it does it like sdl? |
| 04:18.33 | JeffM | yeah |
| 04:18.36 | DTRemenak | where they hijack your winmain, and tell you to define some other function? |
| 04:18.39 | JeffM | ONLY when linking static tho |
| 04:18.45 | JeffM | cus you can't put a winmain in a DLL |
| 04:18.59 | JeffM | they just call the normal main |
| 04:19.03 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 04:19.08 | AWOSLappy | actually, DllMain |
| 04:19.23 | DTRemenak | hm, so how do you get rid of the console, if they're calling your main |
| 04:19.30 | JeffM | AWOSLappy, that's not the same as winmain |
| 04:19.47 | JeffM | DTRemenak, the console is only in debug builds |
| 04:19.49 | AWOSLappy | that's what I mean. you put a DllMain in a DLL |
| 04:19.53 | AWOSLappy | a WinMain in a GUI app |
| 04:19.53 | DTRemenak | JeffM: ahh, sweet |
| 04:19.54 | JeffM | release builds dont' do it |
| 04:19.57 | AWOSLappy | and a main in a console ap |
| 04:19.58 | AWOSLappy | *app |
| 04:20.08 | JeffM | AWOSLappy, it's not a console app |
| 04:20.55 | JeffM | jude-, where does it look for the share dir? |
| 04:21.24 | jude- | relative to the root of the source tree |
| 04:21.30 | AWOSLappy | brlcad: ping? |
| 04:21.33 | DTRemenak | JeffM: it uses osg's default search path. exe directory is first, then osg global data directory |
| 04:21.41 | JeffM | ok, exe path then |
| 04:22.38 | JeffM | well its' a very smooth looking ugly plane :) |
| 04:22.54 | DTRemenak | hover your mouse and press space to bring up the menu |
| 04:22.55 | jude- | heh--its BZFlag's grass texture tesselated over it :P |
| 04:23.06 | jude- | DTRemenak: also, double-right-click |
| 04:23.09 | JeffM | oh god |
| 04:23.16 | DTRemenak | yeah, cause that's so intuitive, jude- :P |
| 04:23.22 | AWOSLappy | double |
| 04:23.23 | AWOSLappy | right |
| 04:23.25 | AWOSLappy | click? |
| 04:23.31 | jude- | well, right-clicking + draging == zoom |
| 04:23.32 | JeffM | you can't make it use an interface more like the host OS? |
| 04:23.47 | JeffM | or more top level menus? |
| 04:23.55 | JeffM | something at leas intutive to most of the world? |
| 04:24.04 | DTRemenak | jude-: I have never seen any product with a similar control setup to bzwb :) |
| 04:24.19 | jude- | what do you recommend? |
| 04:24.27 | JeffM | something well like NORMAL |
| 04:24.31 | JeffM | menu's at the top |
| 04:24.37 | JeffM | nice object list on one side |
| 04:24.39 | Epyon | 3ds max, 3ds max.... |
| 04:24.59 | JeffM | figure most users won't read a lick of your docs untill they have a problem |
| 04:25.01 | jude- | JeffM: that'll be AFTER I get the 3D scene working :) |
| 04:25.04 | DTRemenak | left-click to select, right-click for context menu is a good start |
| 04:25.04 | Macrosoft | blender's ui (not really) |
| 04:25.12 | JeffM | middle click to rotate |
| 04:25.20 | Epyon | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:25.22 | JeffM | or ctl click |
| 04:25.33 | JeffM | shift drag to drag select, etc.. |
| 04:25.49 | Macrosoft | JeffM: yeah, ctrl click for the poor mac people |
| 04:25.55 | JeffM | whatever |
| 04:26.01 | jude- | JeffM: I don't have a middle mouse button |
| 04:26.18 | JeffM | honestly jude- because of the interface, I thoght you had not done much on the project |
| 04:26.18 | jude- | and Mac people don't even have a right button |
| 04:26.21 | DTRemenak | and you use X!? |
| 04:26.28 | Macrosoft | jude-: you dont know what you're missing out on |
| 04:26.29 | DTRemenak | how do you use X without a middle mouse button!? |
| 04:26.31 | JeffM | you make keys to the same functions for those tha don't |
| 04:26.37 | JeffM | ctrl, alt, opt, shift, etc.. |
| 04:26.40 | JeffM | it's not that hard |
| 04:26.55 | JeffM | command click is the same as right click for OSX IIRC |
| 04:27.04 | JeffM | even the FINDER has context menus |
| 04:27.17 | jude- | DTRemenak: yes, I use X |
| 04:27.21 | JeffM | but you'll need some way to have it customised to work at least something like the host OS |
| 04:27.29 | JeffM | otherwise noone will use this |
| 04:27.39 | DTRemenak | how do you paste? or access middle-mouse menus? |
| 04:27.42 | Macrosoft | use the linux/mac/windows key for stuff |
| 04:27.57 | JeffM | honestly I'd take a look at interfaces like photoshop |
| 04:28.02 | JeffM | as I think the workflow would be similar |
| 04:28.14 | jude- | "you make keys to the same functions for those tha don't" could you elaborate? |
| 04:28.30 | JeffM | yeah if you make control left click do the same as right click |
| 04:28.37 | jude- | DTRemenak: I do without |
| 04:28.38 | JeffM | so that if you don't have a RMB, you control LMB |
| 04:28.41 | DTRemenak | wow |
| 04:28.43 | DTRemenak | sorry :) |
| 04:28.49 | JeffM | or something like that |
| 04:28.51 | Macrosoft | who's going to pay jude the money to buy photoshop, just so he can see the ui? |
| 04:29.14 | JeffM | Macrosoft, 1) demo, 2) screenshots, 3) the PS interface for gimp |
| 04:29.17 | JeffM | there are many ways |
| 04:29.23 | JeffM | for those that think |
| 04:29.51 | Macrosoft | DTRemenak: im fine as lomg as the button still works as a scroll wheel |
| 04:30.12 | jude- | JeffM: I'm sorry, but the UI is low on the priority list right now...things like rendering, 3D manipulation (the back-end), object support, etc. come first |
| 04:30.19 | DTRemenak | Macrosoft: scroll wheels are optional, they're strictly convenience |
| 04:30.20 | JeffM | yeah I was just going to say, get the guts working |
| 04:30.27 | JeffM | we can rip the gui a new one when your done |
| 04:30.32 | AWOSLappy | DTRemenak: heh. I use the 3button emulation (left+right click together) |
| 04:30.35 | AWOSLappy | er |
| 04:30.38 | AWOSLappy | jude-: ^^ |
| 04:30.50 | JeffM | hopefully modeless floaters are easy in FLTK |
| 04:30.50 | DTRemenak | yup, that's one way to get more effective buttons |
| 04:30.54 | Macrosoft | DTRemenak: if you want to put it that way, mice are convienience altogether |
| 04:30.59 | jude- | AWOSLappy: I try to use that...it sucks enough that I do without |
| 04:31.04 | DTRemenak | Macrosoft: lots of software requires mice |
| 04:31.07 | Epyon | ~jude-++ |
| 04:31.25 | DTRemenak | I should know, I work on a product that requires the mouse |
| 04:32.44 | brlcad | AWOSLappy: erm, you have to build/install freetype and ftgl on your own .. i've not adjected the windows build files as source layout changed |
| 04:33.09 | brlcad | Epyon: yeah, cept you can have lots of folks in first place in different specializations |
| 04:33.48 | JeffM | brlcad, the VC7.1 build files are setup to build and include FTGL and freetype |
| 04:34.00 | JeffM | unless you moved stuff since I did that |
| 04:34.00 | jude- | JeffM: it's not that I disagree with you--the UI *does* suck as it stands now |
| 04:34.00 | brlcad | hear that AWOSLappy |
| 04:34.11 | JeffM | and I built and posted a bin |
| 04:34.29 | brlcad | JeffM: did you remove references to the files in src/3D that are now gone? |
| 04:34.37 | JeffM | what is gone? |
| 04:35.05 | Macrosoft | ... |
| 04:35.14 | jude- | ...I'll add a better one soon enough |
| 04:35.25 | JeffM | txture font? |
| 04:35.28 | brlcad | BitmapFont.cxx ImageFont.cxx TextureFont.cxx |
| 04:35.50 | brlcad | and their three .h files |
| 04:36.23 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14627 10/branches/ftgl/MSVC/VC71/3D.vcproj: remove refs to old font files that done be ripped out. |
| 04:36.40 | brlcad | coo, thx |
| 04:36.41 | JeffM | like that? |
| 04:36.53 | brlcad | yup |
| 04:37.12 | JeffM | WOW, hud is WAY too small now |
| 04:37.20 | brlcad | heh |
| 04:37.24 | brlcad | too small, too big |
| 04:37.27 | brlcad | you're just never happy |
| 04:37.41 | JeffM | and I'm only getting 331 fps |
| 04:38.02 | brlcad | actually it was fixed at tinyFontSize for the labels |
| 04:38.12 | brlcad | though the other hud elements adjust |
| 04:38.14 | JeffM | make it 2x bigger |
| 04:38.19 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03judecn * r14628 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (15 files in 7 dirs): Added support for bases. Enjoy! |
| 04:38.23 | brlcad | screen? |
| 04:38.24 | JeffM | around the hud |
| 04:38.49 | Constitution | night jude- |
| 04:38.56 | JeffM | uploading |
| 04:40.10 | JeffM | www.opencombat.net/files/images/font_tests/bzfi0084.png |
| 04:40.44 | brlcad | cool, it's at least looking better |
| 04:41.02 | brlcad | looks like all of the autosizing code is working great |
| 04:41.15 | brlcad | the stuff around the hud is the only that isn't |
| 04:41.26 | JeffM | yeah the rest looks ok |
| 04:41.35 | JeffM | the menus look a bit TOO big |
| 04:41.38 | JeffM | but they dont' overlap |
| 04:41.46 | JeffM | just bigger then before |
| 04:42.16 | brlcad | yeah, that's easily tweaked |
| 04:42.38 | JeffM | AWOSLappy, in 3 min, there will be a new FTGL build on beta.bzflag.bz |
| 04:42.40 | brlcad | should be really consistent now as it autofits based on whatever size criteria are specified |
| 04:43.00 | JeffM | is the menu using screen width to autofit? or screen height? |
| 04:44.44 | brlcad | both |
| 04:44.49 | JeffM | AWOSLappy, it's done |
| 04:45.12 | brlcad | if you go windowed, you should see it work reasonably with almost any aspect that doesn't get too small |
| 04:45.13 | JeffM | brlcad, for menus it'd probably be best to just use height, cus that is allmost always the smaller of the 2 |
| 04:46.51 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14629 10/branches/ftgl/src/bzflag/HUDRenderer.cxx: see if the info font size is any better (approx 1/96th the height) for the hud labels |
| 04:46.59 | brlcad | it does height first |
| 04:47.32 | brlcad | er, I mean that height is the dominant |
| 04:48.04 | JeffM | that looks perfectto me |
| 04:48.05 | brlcad | the menus specify how many lines they should take up, effectively giving a percentage size |
| 04:49.30 | brlcad | so the main menu defines something line 10 lines, the submenus are something like 20 lines |
| 04:49.44 | JeffM | scrollbars:) |
| 04:50.04 | brlcad | they're both needed really in the case where you might have something like a really wide font, or a really tall one |
| 04:50.16 | JeffM | I'm replacing the build on beta.bz with this new one you just changed |
| 04:50.27 | brlcad | it should actually work about the same regardless of the font now |
| 04:52.43 | JeffM | it's done, you can just link anyone you want to test it to there |
| 04:53.54 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14630 10/branches/ftgl/src/bzflag/defaultBZDB.cxx: make the menus a bit smaller, closer to what they were |
| 04:54.01 | brlcad | see if that's better |
| 04:54.35 | JeffM | your killin my upstream bandwith :) |
| 04:55.04 | brlcad | :) |
| 04:55.16 | brlcad | you have a limit? |
| 04:55.41 | JeffM | yeah that looks fine |
| 04:56.07 | brlcad | 1/24th instead of 1/16th |
| 04:59.22 | JeffM | uploaded |
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| 05:05.33 | Constitution | what's a good way to fetch a list of global group members from the BZBB using a perl or PHP script? |
| 05:06.36 | JeffM | there isn't |
| 05:06.49 | JeffM | it's not realy exposed |
| 05:07.01 | JeffM | unless your the group owner |
| 05:07.20 | Constitution | I don't mind setting the group to "closed" rather than "hidden", if necessary |
| 05:07.28 | Constitution | Silvercat had such a feature, as I recall |
| 05:07.46 | JeffM | if you log in with the owner account you can get the HTML pages with the users |
| 05:08.12 | Constitution | okay |
| 05:08.16 | JeffM | or if it's a web page, you can have them login using weblogin and then ask the list if they are in a group |
| 05:09.02 | JeffM | seting it to closed is somewhat pointless, cus the script would stilll have to login to see the usergroups |
| 05:09.21 | Constitution | yeah |
| 05:10.26 | JeffM | then it's just a table on the page that you can parse up |
| 05:19.54 | Constitution | "noradar" is valid for a mesh face, right? the wiki doesn't seem to list it |
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| 05:30.35 | L4m3r | iirc it is a material property |
| 05:30.40 | L4m3r | dunno if it can be done to a face |
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| 05:31.18 | Constitution | it seems to work... perhaps it should be added to the spec? |
| 05:51.11 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14631 10/branches/ftgl/include/FontManager.h: precompute the dimUnderlineColor |
| 06:03.14 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14632 10/branches/ftgl/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: ws and style consistency |
| 06:05.25 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14633 10/branches/ftgl/src/3D/FontManager.cxx: minor optimization, save some cycles by only enabling GL_TEXTURE_2D once per call, use the precomputed dim underline, and remove some gratuitous computations |
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| 06:30.35 | brlcad | gah, can't get the client to connect to servers .. constantly times out |
| 06:37.23 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14634 10/branches/ftgl/src/3D/FontManager.cxx: |
| 06:37.23 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: optimize a tiny smidgen more, maybe another frame or two at best. instead of |
| 06:37.23 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: performing a slew of memcpy calls, just copy the string once and directly |
| 06:37.23 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: process. no need to always initialize the color if it's the reset color. |
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| 10:32.42 | daxxar | Meh |
| 10:32.44 | daxxar | I suck. :-( |
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| 11:05.55 | daxxar | Thanks. :-/ |
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| 11:31.24 | tannerld | ~jude- |
| 11:31.25 | ibot | well, jude- is an all around great guy who's working on BZWorkbench as his Google Summer of Code project for BZFlag. see also #bzflag or http://bzworkbench.wordpress.com/ |
| 11:31.28 | tannerld | ~jude-++ |
| 11:38.37 | CBG | ~jude-++ |
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| 11:59.37 | crazy_bus | I downloaded two extra maps, to play instead of the random map. However if I try and load them I get an exit status 1. Why is this? |
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| 12:43.20 | delusional | crazy_bus any clues what the esit status is? there's usually a reason. |
| 12:46.32 | crazy_bus | I play with local host with random map and it works. I try one of the external maps and it comes up with the exit status. I can then load the random map perfectly. Both the maps are from www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bentz/bzflag/bzflag.html and are loaded from my desktop |
| 12:48.37 | delusional | it usually gives a clue what the exit status is.. file not found, or something/ |
| 12:49.52 | crazy_bus | is there a folder where you should put the maps in? |
| 12:50.39 | delusional | it can be anywhere... I suggest loading bzfs with a conf file, http://my.bzflag.org/w/Sample_conf |
| 12:52.10 | delusional | I've been serving for several years, and I still use the sample conf file, it seems verbose, but once you get used to it, it's easy to find what you want, and if you ever need anything, it's there |
| 12:53.54 | donny_baker | crazy_bus: are you using start server from within the game client? |
| 12:54.09 | crazy_bus | yes |
| 12:54.25 | delusional | load bzfs with at least two debug levels too, you can use up to 4, like this ./bzfs -dd -conf /path/to/conf |
| 12:54.33 | donny_baker | on windows? or which OS? |
| 12:54.40 | crazy_bus | kubuntu |
| 12:55.43 | donny_baker | ok.. i am not real familiar where BZ stores it's config for you on kubuntu.. but my guess is yoor home folder |
| 12:56.12 | tannerld | ~/.bzf/2.0 |
| 12:56.24 | donny_baker | tannerld: thanks |
| 12:56.42 | tannerld | :) |
| 12:57.08 | donny_baker | from what I have read the files should go in .bzf/2.0/worlds |
| 12:57.22 | donny_baker | then they should be selectable from inside the client |
| 12:57.51 | crazy_bus | should I create the folder worlds? |
| 12:57.54 | donny_baker | yes |
| 12:58.47 | crazy_bus | I put them there. Put I can only select random map from inside the client |
| 12:59.06 | donny_baker | ok, let me do some more looking |
| 13:01.12 | donny_baker | someone said that there may be a bug in that and it won't show possibly the first and last files in the directory |
| 13:01.47 | donny_baker | try copying your 2 files and making duplicates with slightly different names |
| 13:02.08 | donny_baker | I have 2 maps in my worlds dir and can only see one of them in the client |
| 13:02.38 | donny_baker | its a long shot, but worth a try |
| 13:03.17 | crazy_bus | I did that. But I still can't select any other maps than random. (And how how come random map allways looks like night time) |
| 13:04.06 | donny_baker | have you restarted the client, not sure when it reads the list of files from the directory. and are the permissions on the files so that you can read them? |
| 13:05.00 | crazy_bus | I have quit the game and then loaded again. And the permissions are set to read. And read and write for owner |
| 13:05.15 | donny_baker | hmm.. that should be good |
| 13:06.24 | tannerld | trying putting tha maps in ~/.bzf/worlds |
| 13:06.48 | donny_baker | anyone running linux have any ideas on this one? |
| 13:07.17 | tannerld | (ubuntu) - the maps I have from /saveworld are in worlds/ and I can select them in the start server menu |
| 13:07.47 | tannerld | hmm |
| 13:08.04 | delusional | use a terminal for startup as opposed to starting from inside the game. |
| 13:08.13 | donny_baker | doh.. yeah not in the 2.0 forlder, my fault |
| 13:08.46 | crazy_bus | ~/.bzf/worlds works. But I still get the error message / failed (exit = 1). |
| 13:08.50 | tannerld | has he start server in the game ever worked? |
| 13:08.54 | tannerld | crazy_bus: me too :\ |
| 13:08.59 | CBG | crazy_bus: ok, let me help you here. |
| 13:09.04 | CBG | crazy_bus: open your command line :) |
| 13:09.19 | Winny | hehe |
| 13:09.32 | CBG | crazy_bus: do "bzfs -d" |
| 13:09.40 | TheRedBaron | tannerld: in windows, yes |
| 13:10.11 | tannerld | hehe |
| 13:10.19 | crazy_bus | CBG: I did that and it came up with ERROR: Unable to start the server, perhaps one is already running? |
| 13:10.23 | CBG | TheRedBaron: windows shmindows |
| 13:10.30 | CBG | crazy_bus: ahah! ok, |
| 13:10.37 | CBG | then it seems something is using your port 5154 |
| 13:10.54 | crazy_bus | but why does random map work? |
| 13:11.12 | CBG | hmm. maybe the random map server is still running? :/ |
| 13:12.05 | crazy_bus | doesn't quitting the game also kill the server? |
| 13:12.05 | CBG | crazy_bus: run a random map one again from in the client. |
| 13:12.07 | CBG | crazy_bus: then join it and do /shutdownserver and then quit bzflag |
| 13:12.26 | CBG | i would have thought so, but /shutdownserver will make sure |
| 13:12.42 | TheRedBaron | crazy_bus: not unless you specify it in the options |
| 13:12.53 | CBG | so, do that and quit bz. then go back to your command line and this time do: bzfs -dddd |
| 13:13.08 | crazy_bus | now randommap wont work. It says failed (exit = 2) |
| 13:13.22 | CBG | ok, go to join server and connect to localhost 5154 |
| 13:13.44 | CBG | and NOW try to do /shutdownserver and then quit bzflag . heh :) |
| 13:14.21 | CBG | heh |
| 13:15.01 | crazy_bus | I was able to join the game. But how do you enter the command /shutdownserver? |
| 13:15.26 | CBG | press "n" and type it, hit enter. |
| 13:15.28 | Winny | you need to set a password, so you can be the admin |
| 13:16.42 | CBG | oh boy |
| 13:16.54 | CBG | an un-shutdown-able server? |
| 13:18.54 | crazy_bus | how do I set the password. I entered it at the start. But it says its the wrong password when I try and type it in the game |
| 13:20.26 | donny_baker | crazy_bus: i don't think it is possible from within the game client |
| 13:20.45 | donny_baker | on a server started from within the game client* |
| 13:21.13 | crazy_bus | I ran bzfs -d again and the server is shutdown anyway. What should I do now? |
| 13:21.43 | donny_baker | try and start one of the other maps :) |
| 13:22.33 | crazy_bus | I did. I get the failed (exit = 1) |
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| 13:43.35 | daxxar | killall bzfs? |
| 13:43.36 | daxxar | :-P |
| 13:44.37 | crazy_bus | is there a link to a known working map that I could try? |
| 13:46.12 | daxxar | I'd guess empty_world.bzw ;-P |
| 13:46.19 | daxxar | But I've only tested it on SVN |
| 13:46.22 | daxxar | not 2.0 |
| 13:47.38 | crazy_bus | where would I download it? |
| 13:51.32 | daxxar | https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag/src/bzrobots/empty_world.bzw |
| 13:54.09 | crazy_bus | the empty world loads. |
| 13:54.28 | daxxar | \o/ |
| 13:54.30 | daxxar | Go empty world! |
| 13:55.35 | crazy_bus | is there a page. Where you can download approved extra maps or something? |
| 13:56.08 | Winny | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewforum.php?f=64 |
| 13:56.08 | TheRedBaron | crazy_bus: there is no such thing as an "approved" map |
| 13:56.11 | TheRedBaron | there are just maps |
| 13:56.38 | crazy_bus | it's just that the maps I downloaded, wouldn't work for me |
| 13:58.25 | donny_baker | crazy_bus: you can join a public map, and do /saveworld |
| 13:58.52 | donny_baker | i would reccomend any map by LouMan on bzflag.norang.ca, but I'm biased :P |
| 13:59.02 | Winny | /saveworld mapnmethatyouwant.bzw |
| 13:59.34 | donny_baker | or matbe even mapnamethatyouwant.bzw :P |
| 13:59.48 | Winny | yeah |
| 13:59.51 | Winny | that works too |
| 13:59.52 | donny_baker | maybe even |
| 13:59.58 | Winny | even maybe! |
| 14:00.21 | crazy_bus | is there a link to download the game without joining it. As I don't consider myself good enough to play online yet |
| 14:00.32 | Winny | errr |
| 14:00.45 | Winny | you can just join the game as an observer, save the map, and leave |
| 14:00.48 | donny_baker | they ar on the forums if you look for them, but join as an observer |
| 14:00.50 | eTangenT | crazy_bus: There really only is online play, unless you want bots. |
| 14:01.02 | Winny | really really stupid bots. |
| 14:01.21 | eTangenT | yeah |
| 14:01.22 | donny_baker | and when you start joining public servers you will die anyway... at first |
| 14:01.29 | crazy_bus | I play with the bots. But I'm looking for other maps than the random one |
| 14:01.37 | donny_baker | but it doesn't take to long to hold your own |
| 14:02.32 | donny_baker | the bots really don't prepare you for actual play against killers like winny :) |
| 14:02.42 | Winny | rofl |
| 14:02.52 | Winny | killers/suckers |
| 14:02.57 | donny_baker | i mean you can probably take me, but heck just about anybody can ;) |
| 14:03.08 | eTangenT | I can take a lot of people at CTF |
| 14:03.11 | eTangenT | not by kills |
| 14:03.15 | eTangenT | I die more than they do |
| 14:03.18 | eTangenT | but I cap more, also |
| 14:03.20 | eTangenT | :) |
| 14:03.28 | Winny | CTF is pointless for anything but leagues |
| 14:03.31 | Winny | :) |
| 14:03.42 | eTangenT | Winny, you're pointless. |
| 14:03.44 | donny_baker | yeah, as most people who play me know, my score really means nothing to me |
| 14:03.58 | Winny | eTangenT: yeah, we've already established that |
| 14:04.04 | A-Delusion | crazy_bus, you can save any map you want in-game, just join a server and use the command /saveworld nameOfWorld.bzw |
| 14:04.10 | donny_baker | and good thing it doesn't cause I'ld have quit long ago |
| 14:58.28 | Winny | BZFlag has tab complete...? |
| 15:06.46 | Chestal | Winny: sure it does. But if you hav eenabled 'jump while typing' you have to press some strange key instead of tab, I forgot which |
| 15:11.31 | Winny | awesomeness :) |
| 15:14.33 | eTangenT | I knew there was tab complete |
| 15:14.33 | eTangenT | :D |
| 15:14.48 | eTangenT | where ya been, Winny? |
| 15:15.02 | eTangenT | hey Chestal, any chance you can push my images in BZIS through? |
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| 15:19.48 | Chestal | eTangenT: done (I think). it's a first for me :-) |
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| 15:22.18 | eTangenT | thanks :) |
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| 16:01.49 | eTangenT | alright, who broke the list server :( |
| 16:02.39 | what4 | it's confused, for sure |
| 16:03.07 | what4 | brlcad: talk to me :P |
| 16:03.14 | what4 | before i break it :P |
| 16:03.31 | eTangenT | I actually kindof need it up... I can't run Changemap with this server without my admin status |
| 16:03.50 | eTangenT | and I'm testing out a map that doesn't auto-rotate :( |
| 16:03.58 | menotume | set up local.admin |
| 16:04.11 | eTangenT | menotume: Const's box |
| 16:04.13 | menotume | oh, nvm |
| 16:06.49 | eTangenT | what did you do menotume :P |
| 16:07.50 | menotume | ok, fixed |
| 16:08.20 | menotume | me? nothing |
| 16:08.31 | menotume | fixed httpd.conf, loading missing modules |
| 16:10.49 | AAA_awright | Yeay, list server back up |
| 16:13.49 | menotume | who deleted "libintl.so.6" ? :P |
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| 17:43.46 | LongDon | is anyone here who is responsible for the weblogin.php and /db/index.php scripts? |
| 17:44.08 | LongDon | I have a problem authenticating a user group and deny all access from other groups |
| 17:47.43 | JeffM | responsible? |
| 17:48.06 | JeffM | noone is responsible for anything :) |
| 17:50.20 | blast007 | LongDon: I'm familiar with them, as are others |
| 17:50.30 | blast007 | what question/problem do you have? |
| 17:51.07 | LongDon | I authenticate our GU admins for a log file viewer. |
| 17:51.54 | LongDon | I check the login against weblogin.php and check the token together with the groups GU.LADMIN/gu-league.admins against http://my.bzflag.org/db/ |
| 17:52.33 | LongDon | Problem: Every user, even those who are not in those groups, are checked good: |
| 17:52.36 | LongDon | http://my.bzflag.org/db/?action=CHECKTOKENS&checktokens=LongDon_Test_Account%3D714179097&groups=GU.LADMIN%0D%0Agu-league.admins |
| 17:52.36 | LongDon | MSG: checktoken callsign=LongDon_Test_Account, ip=, token=714179097 group=GU.LADMIN group=gu-league.admins TOKGOOD: LongDon_Test_Account BZID: 25685 LongDon_Test_Account |
| 17:52.57 | LongDon | First is the query to check the token/groups, 2nd is the answer |
| 17:53.11 | LongDon | Now i need to know why that happens |
| 17:55.22 | blast007 | they will get a TOKGOOD |
| 17:55.27 | blast007 | even if they are not in the group |
| 17:55.52 | blast007 | the 'groups' variable only tells the list which groups to check for |
| 17:56.17 | blast007 | if they are in any of those groups, the return data will list those |
| 17:56.51 | LongDon | Thats why i check for equality to "TOKGOOD:$CALLSIGN$GROUPLIST" |
| 17:57.42 | LongDon | And see above: LongDon_Test_Account isnt in any of the groups |
| 17:57.53 | LongDon | but both groups are returned |
| 17:58.44 | blast007 | they are show on the line above TOKGOOD, to show which ones were queried for |
| 17:58.48 | blast007 | shown* |
| 17:59.01 | blast007 | look at this file for an example: http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/trunk/bzflag/misc/checkToken.php?view=markup |
| 17:59.16 | blast007 | line 53 to 55 |
| 18:00.06 | blast007 | hmm, and I guess I need to look at my code before I commit... "if (false)" :/ |
| 18:00.50 | eTangenT | haha |
| 18:02.05 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r14636 10/trunk/bzflag/misc/checkToken.php: Add paramater to control the IP verification |
| 18:04.38 | blast007 | LongDon: so I presume you wrote your own code to check the token? or are you using an older version of the function from checkToken.php? |
| 18:05.03 | blast007 | the old checkToken function was a poor example |
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| 18:38.06 | Epyon_ | Poor Epyon :( |
| 18:43.08 | wanda | do you need money or are yuo in a bad mood, Epyon? |
| 18:45.17 | Epyon | Nah, I was just worrying about my poor alter ego having a connection timeout :P |
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| 18:50.02 | wanda | i am sorry for so .... i just hope to survive that thunderstorm here ... so much water, lightning ... |
| 18:50.28 | blast007 | LongDon: did anyof that help? |
| 18:50.39 | AWOSLappy | ?! |
| 18:50.55 | AWOSLappy | wanda: I've survived many a scary thunderstorms, including many hurricanes. it's scary, but it's okay |
| 18:51.03 | eTangenT | we went out to eat last night |
| 18:51.19 | eTangenT | and a storm knocked out the power while they were cooking our food |
| 18:51.25 | eTangenT | so it took about an hour to get our food |
| 18:51.39 | AWOSLappy | eTangenT: teaches whoever was taking you out. |
| 18:51.40 | blast007 | eTangenT: they had to start a fire using the grease? |
| 18:51.59 | eTangenT | blast007: Dunno. The power came back on in that hour |
| 18:52.03 | AWOSLappy | who goes out to eat? just microwave things! |
| 18:52.05 | AWOSLappy | it's the geek way! |
| 18:52.50 | AWOSLappy | brlcad: pingy |
| 18:53.06 | TheRedBaron | AWOSLappy: good luck with the microwave if your power is out :) |
| 18:53.26 | AWOSLappy | TheRedBaron: lol true |
| 18:53.44 | blast007 | do they have gas microwaves? |
| 18:56.35 | donny_baker | they have gas refrigerators :P |
| 18:56.45 | awilcox | really? |
| 18:58.13 | TheRedBaron | yup |
| 18:58.20 | awilcox | oooooooooh |
| 18:58.29 | TheRedBaron | I've got one here in this house |
| 18:58.37 | awilcox | should prolly get one for all these stupid hurricanes that keep hitting |
| 18:58.44 | donny_baker | we used to have one at our cabin |
| 18:59.21 | donny_baker | we have electricty there now :) so the gas fridge went |
| 18:59.45 | TheRedBaron | Gas water heaters FTW |
| 19:06.13 | Birdie | tomorrow its a bbq i am going to, and they give rain thunder and lightening |
| 19:06.14 | Birdie | lovely |
| 19:06.41 | eTangenT | Birdie: Cool! |
| 19:06.52 | eTangenT | I get to wait at an open bus stop in the thunder and rain some days |
| 19:06.55 | Birdie | so i'll have to wait more than an hour at my food:p |
| 19:06.55 | eTangenT | hail once. |
| 19:18.37 | AWOSLappy | brlcad: http://rafb.net/p/tRJpjG94.html |
| 19:18.59 | eTangenT | AWOSLappy: Foul scum! You broke the silence. |
| 19:21.48 | JeffM | AWOSLappy, did you add Freetype2's ncludes to your paths? |
| 19:22.39 | JeffM | AWOSLappy, and did you see that I had posted a full intaller build for the FTGL branch? |
| 19:24.12 | AWOSLappy | Jeff |
| 19:24.19 | JeffM | AWOS |
| 19:24.19 | AWOSLappy | M: the date was May |
| 19:24.52 | AWOSLappy | on the insraller |
| 19:24.57 | AWOSLappy | *installer |
| 19:24.59 | JeffM | I biult that last night |
| 19:25.06 | JeffM | then the dates on the server are wrong |
| 19:25.11 | AWOSLappy | http://beta.bzflag.bz/builds/2.1.x/bzflag-2.1.13FTGL-2.exe ? |
| 19:25.21 | AWOSLappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:25.26 | JeffM | we didn't even HAVE a ftlg branch in may |
| 19:25.31 | AWOSLappy | lol |
| 19:26.20 | JeffM | and that page shows I updloaded that before the normal 13, |
| 19:26.27 | JeffM | when the normal 13 was done ages ago |
| 19:27.32 | donny_baker | time on server is correct... wierd |
| 19:28.09 | JeffM | maybe its the apache part then |
| 19:28.16 | JeffM | you'd have to work that out with the brlcad |
| 19:28.18 | ruskie | ftgl? |
| 19:28.55 | JeffM | it's a lib that uses truetype fonts in openGL |
| 19:29.00 | JeffM | basicly fonts look better |
| 19:29.22 | ruskie | mmm |
| 19:29.40 | JeffM | and they don't get fuzzy at large and small sizes |
| 19:30.04 | JeffM | and to swap them out all you do is drop a real ttf file into the dir, no more fontTool |
| 19:30.31 | Erroneous | yay, no more fonttool |
| 19:30.39 | AWOSLappy | gah |
| 19:30.41 | AWOSLappy | stupid laptop |
| 19:30.46 | JeffM | yay, extended characters ;) |
| 19:30.53 | AWOSLappy | the clock lost two minutes in eight minutes |
| 19:31.07 | AWOSLappy | as in, real clock says eight minutes went by, lappy clock says six minutes |
| 19:31.12 | JeffM | call hewy lewis and the news |
| 19:31.17 | Erroneous | fonttool can generate extended characters ;) |
| 19:31.20 | ruskie | JeffM, hmm only in 2.1.x? or anything to try in the 2.0.x branch? |
| 19:31.27 | Erroneous | and bzflag can use them |
| 19:31.36 | JeffM | ruskie, 2.0.x is deaded |
| 19:31.47 | JeffM | Erroneous, dosn't FTGL support more of them? |
| 19:32.03 | Erroneous | ftgl can potentially do full unicode |
| 19:32.13 | JeffM | that's what I meant to say |
| 19:32.39 | JeffM | anyone ever test the 2.1 radar? |
| 19:32.41 | Erroneous | we wouldn't have been able to do korean or chinese before, since we'd have been limited to a single codepage |
| 19:33.05 | Erroneous | but the only thing stopping latin-1 or turkish or greek was laziness |
| 19:33.05 | ruskie | JeffM, is that the radar that even shows the walls? |
| 19:33.16 | JeffM | ruskie, shows the same stuff, it just should be faster |
| 19:33.46 | AWOSLappy | okay |
| 19:33.53 | AWOSLappy | I got between 21-31 fps again |
| 19:34.00 | AWOSLappy | no real difference, but the fonts are SUPER legible |
| 19:34.06 | JeffM | cool |
| 19:34.14 | Erroneous | sweet |
| 19:34.21 | JeffM | yeah FTGL should be faster on more systems and just look better in every case |
| 19:34.32 | AWOSLappy | oh but, I got 31fps in an empty map last time -- this was 31fps on a random map hosted by this computer |
| 19:34.41 | AWOSLappy | should prolly test on the same servers :P |
| 19:34.51 | AWOSLappy | lemme test again (great excuse to look at ftgl again) |
| 19:35.26 | AWOSLappy | gah |
| 19:35.36 | AWOSLappy | you people still havent fixed the start menu shortcut to the server |
| 19:36.03 | donny_baker | AWOSLappy: patches welcome, it's your game too :P |
| 19:36.14 | AWOSLappy | true :) |
| 19:36.22 | AWOSLappy | where is the setup routines? |
| 19:36.58 | ruskie | weee another one :) |
| 19:38.55 | AWOSLappy | hrm |
| 19:39.00 | AWOSLappy | seems to be another bug I can squash |
| 19:39.06 | AWOSLappy | the screenshots are even numbers only |
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| 19:39.16 | JeffM | yeah that's old |
| 19:39.25 | AWOSLappy | it made bzf0048.png, bzf0050.png, 52, 54, 56 |
| 19:39.25 | Erroneous | JeffM: about the time you started putting "Manager" in the name of every class you wrote :) |
| 19:39.33 | JeffM | not every class |
| 19:39.42 | JeffM | 1/2 of them are callback base classes :) |
| 19:39.48 | Erroneous | ah, true :) |
| 19:39.54 | JeffM | and now i've changed it to "system" |
| 19:40.17 | Erroneous | heh |
| 19:41.23 | AWOSLappy | okay |
| 19:41.42 | AWOSLappy | the max was 28fps in ftgl |
| 19:41.46 | AWOSLappy | the max was 18fps in regular |
| 19:41.54 | AWOSLappy | 10fps improvement. Wootness. |
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| 19:46.10 | LongDon | blast007: sry had to go. will take a look at the new checkToken function |
| 19:49.47 | CIA-3 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/GPLib/inc/timer.h: time should be an optional singleton |
| 19:51.37 | CIA-3 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/GPLib/ (inc/textures.h src/textures.cpp): add compile time option to support unloading of textures that have not been used in some time. |
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| 21:31.35 | brlcad | eek, what happened? |
| 21:33.02 | brlcad | menotume: do you know what started it? |
| 21:33.11 | brlcad | AWOSLappy: pongy |
| 21:33.33 | AWOSLappy | the max was 28fps in ftgl |
| 21:33.34 | AWOSLappy | the max was 18fps in regular |
| 21:33.35 | AWOSLappy | 10fps improvement. Wootness. |
| 21:33.41 | AWOSLappy | ^^^ brlcad :D |
| 21:34.26 | brlcad | AWOSLappy: I can't help you with windows build issues, but then I see JeffM pointed out the binaries he put together :) |
| 21:37.25 | brlcad | i don't believe that ftgl is faster with that binary build from last night, if the compiles are identical |
| 21:37.54 | brlcad | e.g. your regular was debug, jeff's binary may have been release, etc |
| 21:38.16 | AWOSLappy | ahh |
| 21:38.22 | Winny | my Fps dropped to about 40... |
| 21:38.35 | CBG | mine would have to raise to about 40 |
| 21:38.38 | AWOSLappy | Winny: now you know what I play with every day |
| 21:38.43 | AWOSLappy | only mine is 31 |
| 21:39.20 | brlcad | AWOSLappy: can you test one of his other non-ftgl binaries for comparison? |
| 21:39.26 | brlcad | theoretically should be the same options |
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| 21:40.55 | AWOSLappy | brlcad: sure |
| 21:41.41 | brlcad | thx |
| 21:41.55 | Winny | hmm |
| 21:42.41 | AWOSLappy | it prolly won't be near as good now though |
| 21:42.45 | brlcad | you don't need to get it for mac |
| 21:42.48 | brlcad | it'll build it |
| 21:42.53 | Winny | err |
| 21:42.56 | brlcad | unless you mean the branch |
| 21:43.04 | Winny | then I wonder why BZ doesn't build on my mac anymore |
| 21:43.12 | Winny | I assumed it was because I needed FTGL |
| 21:43.21 | AWOSLappy | Winny: ftgl doesn't build here either, you need freetype2-devel |
| 21:43.34 | brlcad | freetype2 is included as well |
| 21:43.41 | Winny | in the BZ build? |
| 21:43.53 | AWOSLappy | brlcad: then something is seriously b0rked |
| 21:44.11 | AWOSLappy | brlcad: because MSVC reports "c:\Projects\ftgl\src\other\ftgl\inc\FTPoint.h(4) : fatal error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'ft2build.h': No such file or directory" |
| 21:47.00 | AWOSLappy | max was 25fps with ftgl that time, I've got a LOT open |
| 21:48.12 | AWOSLappy | using JeffM's bzflag without ftgl build, I hit 29fps |
| 21:48.18 | AWOSLappy | ftgl was actually slower that time |
| 21:48.47 | AWOSLappy | but I've had qemu segfault multiple times and Firefox leak memory on this boot |
| 21:48.55 | AWOSLappy | I will reboot when I find the time |
| 21:49.27 | AWOSLappy | ^^^^^ brlcad |
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| 21:52.15 | blast007 | AWOSLappy: I don't think Jeff added the built-in freetype stuff to VC8 |
| 21:52.32 | blast007 | you could try the VC7 .sln file, and see if that works |
| 21:52.58 | AWOSLappy | blast007: I am using VC7 |
| 21:53.02 | blast007 | oh, hmm |
| 21:53.20 | blast007 | maybe I just built my own freetype then ;) |
| 21:53.29 | blast007 | can't say for sure, my laptop isn't on right now |
| 21:56.40 | brlcad | AWOSLappy: that is because the windows build files aren't set up to build freetype |
| 21:56.49 | AWOSLappy | brlcad: oh |
| 21:56.53 | brlcad | the sources are there, but it doesn't build them |
| 21:56.55 | AWOSLappy | any windows maintainer: ping |
| 21:57.06 | brlcad | expects you to set the paths as jeff mentioned, and provide the lib |
| 21:57.48 | brlcad | either way, that's more in line with what I expected |
| 21:58.04 | brlcad | the 3-4% decrease seems to be pretty linear |
| 21:58.09 | brlcad | which is excellent |
| 21:58.43 | brlcad | if a couple other devs give a thumbs up, I'd merge in the branch and close it out |
| 21:59.06 | brlcad | still gotta add some configure checks iirc, but it's otherwise "complete" now |
| 22:06.19 | brlcad | i did some initial profiling last night and regained a little bit of that 3-4% |
| 22:07.02 | brlcad | it is spending that extra time just walking down through FTGL land, but mostly in a freetype routine that does a particular charactermap lookup |
| 22:07.36 | brlcad | that hashing function seems to be where the smidgen is mostly lost compared to without ftgl |
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| 23:41.07 | menotume | brlcad: you STILL talk too much :P |
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