| 00:14.35 | Macrosoft | hmm... do falling tanks in the game have a terminal velocity? |
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| 00:14.53 | Winny | of course |
| 00:15.47 | Macrosoft | maybe it should be made into a variable that can be altered with /set |
| 00:16.10 | Winny | you can play with gravity... |
| 00:16.16 | Winny | gravity effects velocity |
| 00:16.59 | Macrosoft | Winny: why? is the term. velocity calculated in real-time |
| 00:17.53 | Winny | why would you want a /set for "terminal velocity" the only way that can change is via gravity or change drag. |
| 00:20.02 | Macrosoft | is drag a /set-able var.? |
| 00:20.24 | Winny | no. WHY does it need it? |
| 00:20.46 | JeffM | drag? what drag are you talking about Winny ? |
| 00:21.09 | Winny | ...I didn't bring it up, JeffM |
| 00:21.24 | Macrosoft | he's talking about air resistance |
| 00:21.30 | JeffM | you mentioned drag first |
| 00:21.37 | JeffM | there is no drag in the calc |
| 00:21.44 | JeffM | I don't eventhink there is a terminal vel |
| 00:21.53 | Winny | I know, I was saying "the only way to change terminal velocity" |
| 00:22.03 | Winny | as in, in general |
| 00:22.17 | JeffM | there are many ways in math |
| 00:22.37 | Macrosoft | is a takns motion handled server-side when it is falling? |
| 00:22.42 | Macrosoft | *yanks |
| 00:22.43 | JeffM | I think all there is the "max move" thing that we have so DR dosn't get screwed |
| 00:22.47 | Macrosoft | *tanks |
| 00:22.48 | JeffM | no |
| 00:22.54 | JeffM | nothing is handled server side |
| 00:23.06 | JeffM | the max move is in full 3d, not just falling |
| 00:23.22 | Macrosoft | then i can just forget about that idea |
| 00:23.28 | JeffM | what did you want to d? |
| 00:23.30 | JeffM | do? |
| 00:23.43 | Macrosoft | i wanted to add a terminal velocity |
| 00:23.48 | Winny | he wants to have a /set _terminalVelocity ... |
| 00:24.25 | JeffM | in effect there is one |
| 00:24.34 | Macrosoft | the /set could be optional, i really just wanted to have a terminal velocity |
| 00:24.39 | JeffM | but it's just a limit to prevent the DR math from freaking |
| 00:25.05 | JeffM | after all is computed we clamp to a "max move" for the specific DT |
| 00:25.10 | Macrosoft | DR? |
| 00:25.18 | Macrosoft | DT? |
| 00:26.26 | JeffM | Dead Reconing |
| 00:26.29 | JeffM | Delta Time |
| 00:26.34 | Macrosoft | ok |
| 00:27.43 | JeffM | for a real TV, you'd need to change all of our physics calcs, add masses, momentums and airflow/sillouete computations |
| 00:27.50 | JeffM | you'd turn it into a tank sim |
| 00:27.57 | JeffM | and real tanks don't jump ;) |
| 00:28.20 | Macrosoft | or you can just set the term. vel. to a reasonable number |
| 00:28.25 | Winny | They do too! |
| 00:28.52 | JeffM | Macrosoft, that's how it works now with the max move |
| 00:29.03 | JeffM | it's set to the fastest a tank should ever move in any vector |
| 00:29.21 | Macrosoft | so there is a terminal velocity |
| 00:29.29 | JeffM | no there is a max move |
| 00:29.38 | JeffM | it clamps all motion |
| 00:29.44 | JeffM | for a specific DT |
| 00:29.53 | JeffM | terminal vel is based on falling and airflow |
| 00:30.00 | Macrosoft | close enough |
| 00:31.15 | JeffM | not really since its' a protocoll clamp |
| 00:32.16 | JeffM | but whatever floats your boat |
| 00:32.40 | donny_baker | got it |
| 00:33.03 | JeffM | got what? |
| 00:33.18 | Winny | got milk |
| 00:39.15 | Macrosoft | ok, finished editing 2.0.9 |
| 00:39.29 | Winny | why 2.0.x? |
| 00:40.53 | Macrosoft | i wasnt developing, i was just modding it |
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| 00:42.23 | JeffM | development is just moding it ;) |
| 00:42.30 | Macrosoft | if R3lax ever comes back from 45d in the past, ill send it to him |
| 00:45.45 | JeffM | use a PM on bzbb |
| 00:47.19 | Macrosoft | yeah, ill just send the file in a PM |
| 00:47.52 | JeffM | or the what, 5 lines you moded? |
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| 00:51.33 | Macrosoft | why? i don't think that 104.3KB file is going is going to take long to download, even if he uses dial-up |
| 00:53.22 | Macrosoft | hey, isnt there a command that makes a .diff file showing the differences in the two files? |
| 00:54.09 | JeffM | yeah, diff |
| 00:54.23 | JeffM | what OS are you on? |
| 00:54.30 | Macrosoft | linux |
| 00:54.45 | JeffM | diff, or svn will make the patch for you |
| 00:54.57 | JeffM | tho yo'd have to read the docs on how |
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| 00:55.07 | JeffM | all I ever do is right click and it makes a patch |
| 00:56.25 | Macrosoft | right click? on a terminal? |
| 00:56.58 | JeffM | no |
| 00:57.04 | JeffM | I don't use a silly terminal |
| 00:57.13 | JeffM | that's why I can't tell you how to do it |
| 00:57.26 | JeffM | there are other svn clients out there then the command line ones |
| 00:57.45 | Macrosoft | bbl |
| 01:04.17 | Macrosoft | how about this: 3341c3341 |
| 01:04.18 | Macrosoft | < // anonymous messages (this section edited) |
| 01:04.18 | Macrosoft | --- |
| 01:04.18 | Macrosoft | > // anonymous messages |
| 01:04.18 | Macrosoft | 3347c3347 |
| 01:04.18 | Macrosoft | < // show name of sender to admins (this section edited) |
| 01:04.20 | Macrosoft | --- |
| 01:04.22 | Macrosoft | > // show name of sender to admins |
| 01:04.24 | Macrosoft | 3352c3352 |
| 01:04.26 | Macrosoft | < // send message to admins (this section edited) |
| 01:04.28 | Macrosoft | --- |
| 01:04.30 | Macrosoft | > // send message to admins |
| 01:04.40 | Macrosoft | oops, sorry for flood |
| 01:07.27 | Macrosoft | JeffM: is that what you were talking about? |
| 01:07.34 | brlcad | that is a patch |
| 01:07.38 | brlcad | though it's in the wrong format |
| 01:08.12 | brlcad | use the "-u" switch to diff or "svn diff" will do it for you |
| 01:10.55 | Macrosoft | how's this then: http://mdk0.servegame.com/bzflag/commands.diff |
| 01:10.56 | JeffM | and dude, pastebin |
| 01:11.46 | JeffM | yeah that has the 5 or 6 lines you moded |
| 01:14.06 | Macrosoft | how can anyone use it to change their source? |
| 01:14.43 | brlcad | patch -p0 < commands.diff |
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| 02:06.08 | Epyon | Silence? |
| 02:06.19 | Epyon | Now that's wierd -_- |
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| 02:09.27 | Epyon | Now that's a little better ;] |
| 02:09.38 | blast007 | Macrosoft: how does one shout into their head? |
| 02:13.52 | Macrosoft | heh, read the server warning at the bottom of this pic: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/files/castle_2_641.png |
| 02:15.26 | Macrosoft | i hope that's not his server he was on |
| 02:19.03 | Epyon | The level looks funny though. |
| 02:19.10 | Epyon | Any idea what it is? |
| 02:19.20 | Macrosoft | its a level he's making |
| 02:20.48 | Macrosoft | VZF? |
| 02:21.03 | Macrosoft | randalgos? |
| 02:21.04 | Epyon | BZF, sorry it's 4:20 here xP |
| 02:21.16 | Macrosoft | ~wiki randalgo |
| 02:21.17 | Epyon | random algorithms for generation :P |
| 02:21.23 | Macrosoft | oh |
| 02:21.36 | Epyon | tannerld, sorry :( |
| 02:21.42 | tannerld | :P |
| 02:22.03 | Epyon | tannerld, I changed the name bzlgen to bzwgen in the last moment though xP |
| 02:22.20 | tannerld | hmm? |
| 02:22.22 | tannerld | oh |
| 02:22.23 | tannerld | heh |
| 02:22.28 | JeffM | Macrosoft, you don't need to use the bot for stuff your browser can do |
| 02:23.14 | Epyon | JeffM, that would practically make the bot useless :P |
| 02:23.37 | JeffM | good |
| 02:23.48 | Epyon | except for |
| 02:23.49 | JeffM | the bot is not a replacement for common sense |
| 02:23.55 | JeffM | it's here for the project specific stuff |
| 02:23.57 | Epyon | ~Epyon |
| 02:24.01 | JeffM | that isn't on pages |
| 02:24.09 | JeffM | or is harder to find |
| 02:24.10 | Macrosoft | browser != common sense |
| 02:24.21 | Epyon | lol :P |
| 02:24.43 | JeffM | no, using your BRAIN and a browser == common sense |
| 02:25.43 | Macrosoft | ahh, so BRAIN && browser = common sense |
| 02:25.57 | JeffM | well just your brain mostly |
| 02:26.07 | JeffM | you can use other tools, but we don't need to see you do it |
| 02:26.16 | JeffM | the bot in a /msg would be good too |
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| 02:35.35 | Epyon | Maaan, JeffM, you're hard on people -_- |
| 02:35.58 | JeffM | when the repetedly keep doing the things we ask them not to. yeah |
| 02:36.57 | JeffM | when they ignore, hide, logoff during, the messages people send them when trying to talk to them about it.. yeah |
| 02:37.48 | Epyon | Who would do such a thing o.O |
| 02:38.06 | JeffM | many |
| 02:38.21 | JeffM | some don't get it, some think it's "funny" |
| 02:38.25 | JeffM | some don't give a crap |
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| 02:38.35 | JeffM | some do it just to get that level of attention |
| 02:38.45 | Epyon | Um... |
| 02:39.11 | Epyon | Isn't there at least some leeway for the "regulars"? :P |
| 02:39.32 | JeffM | indeed |
| 02:39.37 | JeffM | there is much for them |
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| 03:08.24 | Macrosoft | Epyon: mount /dev/beer_keg /dev/mouth |
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| 03:30.02 | Epyon | G'night all ;] |
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| 03:32.03 | spldart | nighty night |
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| 04:23.29 | Legolas_ | Hello |
| 04:24.23 | JeffM | word up little g |
| 04:29.31 | brlcad | so does anyone with a nice high or nice low framerate have a compilation of head that they'd be willing to compare against a compilation of the ftgl branch? |
| 04:30.22 | L4m3r | oh, wait, nevermind |
| 04:30.26 | Legolas_ | I have a nice framerate of about 200 fps average, but I do not have the compilation of head. sorry. |
| 04:30.28 | brlcad | L4m3r: not you, you've got other more important stuff to work on :P |
| 04:30.34 | brlcad | :) |
| 04:30.35 | L4m3r | I think my 2.1 is b0rked from messing with the build system :P |
| 04:30.59 | JeffM | I can try |
| 04:31.16 | JeffM | since I DO happen to have FTGL and all the required libs |
| 04:32.02 | JeffM | and I'm curious how fast it runs after the upgrade |
| 04:32.23 | JeffM | renderings in poser have speed way the hell up |
| 04:32.43 | brlcad | what's your head framerate? |
| 04:32.48 | JeffM | have to build it |
| 04:32.50 | L4m3r | upgrade? What fancy hardware did you get this time, Jeff? :) |
| 04:32.51 | JeffM | doing so now |
| 04:33.03 | JeffM | athalon x2 6000+ |
| 04:33.09 | JeffM | new mob, and ram, etc.. |
| 04:33.11 | L4m3r | holy moly |
| 04:33.18 | JeffM | was freaking CHEAP |
| 04:33.24 | JeffM | 179 for the CPU and mobo |
| 04:33.27 | JeffM | 90 for the ram |
| 04:33.33 | L4m3r | nice |
| 04:33.54 | JeffM | so monday DTRemenak should have a dual core from rolldown ;) |
| 04:34.59 | JeffM | I realy should upgrade to VC8 or get incredibuild on this machine |
| 04:36.25 | JeffM | brlcad, do you want to set up a REALY consistent testing system? |
| 04:37.28 | brlcad | depends what you mean by that |
| 04:37.46 | brlcad | i have some pretty consistent setups, I just don't use them day-to-day |
| 04:38.13 | JeffM | run a server with a plugin that spawns everyone at the same spot on the same angle |
| 04:38.19 | JeffM | so the view is a constant as can be |
| 04:38.32 | JeffM | we could even make it generate the same map every time too |
| 04:38.42 | JeffM | heck turn it into a test |
| 04:38.44 | brlcad | or just run an empty map so it doesn't matter ;) |
| 04:38.58 | JeffM | spawn em, kill em, spawn em in another place, kill em, etc ;) |
| 04:40.29 | JeffM | may not be a bad idea to create a plugin that can set up a server to run a client thru a series of fixed motions, to get some kind of scale for a specific machine/settings setup |
| 04:42.52 | brlcad | yeah, that'd be useful probably |
| 04:43.14 | JeffM | ok, 72-75 fps for trunk in debug with it all turned on |
| 04:43.58 | brlcad | hrm, that's just a smidgen slower than mine |
| 04:43.59 | JeffM | geting your branch now |
| 04:44.04 | JeffM | what res? |
| 04:44.21 | brlcad | 1680x1050 |
| 04:44.27 | JeffM | 1920x1200 |
| 04:44.50 | JeffM | getting the FTGL stuff now |
| 04:46.22 | blast007 | JeffM: did you build FTGL? or is there a prebuilt dev package I can find? |
| 04:46.52 | JeffM | I usualy build it right into my apps |
| 04:47.03 | JeffM | gpx has the sources included |
| 04:47.24 | brlcad | blast007: if you're on *nix, it's integrated into the build |
| 04:47.24 | JeffM | did you put it in misc? |
| 04:47.38 | JeffM | I can include it in 3d if I need to |
| 04:47.42 | brlcad | src/other |
| 04:47.47 | JeffM | k |
| 04:47.51 | brlcad | freetype too |
| 04:47.52 | JeffM | I'll just build it into 3d |
| 04:47.57 | JeffM | freetype I use from a lib |
| 04:48.43 | JeffM | I'm building it now just to see how many errors I get outa the box |
| 04:48.53 | JeffM | I |
| 04:49.03 | JeffM | I'm guessing you've never done a MSVC71 build? |
| 04:49.08 | brlcad | heh |
| 04:49.10 | brlcad | nope |
| 04:49.23 | brlcad | i just got it working last night |
| 04:50.12 | brlcad | doing a profile optimization run now to see if I can squeeze some time out of it |
| 04:53.35 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14546 10/branches/ftgl/MSVC/VC71/ (3D.vcproj bzflag.vcproj): build ftgl as part of 3d since font wants it, add freetype lib to the client cus ftgl will want it. |
| 04:54.12 | blast007 | I'll give that a shot then |
| 04:54.41 | JeffM | 68 to 69 with FTGL |
| 04:54.44 | JeffM | and HUGE fonts |
| 04:54.57 | TylerM | hi all |
| 04:55.04 | TylerM | I'm getting way to distracted by flightgear :) |
| 04:55.10 | TylerM | I need more shooting ;) |
| 04:55.46 | JeffM | brlcad, your REALY close to being the same, in my case you may have droped 4-5 fps |
| 04:55.51 | JeffM | but it looks a LOT better |
| 04:55.59 | blast007 | TylerM: haven't had time to try that plugin yet |
| 04:56.10 | brlcad | yeah, I saw 2-4 fps drop when I'd finished |
| 04:56.44 | JeffM | if you can get the sizes right, I'd see no reason to not move to it |
| 04:56.45 | brlcad | which is curious, because the difference between this version and the version that was 20% off was the font sizes |
| 04:57.34 | brlcad | get the sizes right? what's wrong with them? they're not identical, but they should be close (and all pretty consistent now) |
| 04:57.48 | JeffM | the scoreboard is ALL bad |
| 04:57.57 | JeffM | want screenie comparisons? |
| 04:58.00 | brlcad | sure |
| 04:58.19 | brlcad | scoreboard and console were changed to be adaptive |
| 04:58.50 | JeffM | I'll take the shots |
| 04:59.08 | brlcad | console tries to find the size that fits at least 10 lines, scoreboard tries to fit 50 iirc |
| 04:59.24 | brlcad | probably should start from small to big instead of big to small |
| 04:59.46 | brlcad | i imagine with your res that the font sizes are huge |
| 04:59.48 | JeffM | I'll show you as soon as DTRemenak's server lets me log in |
| 05:00.10 | brlcad | i noticed that the logins seem to fail about 30% of the time |
| 05:00.23 | brlcad | times out, then next try works like a charm |
| 05:00.33 | brlcad | *after* hitting the list again |
| 05:00.35 | brlcad | wierd |
| 05:04.05 | JeffM | hmmm you can't take a screenie at the main menu |
| 05:09.32 | JeffM | uploading them now |
| 05:09.40 | brlcad | not of the menu itself, have to escape out |
| 05:09.41 | JeffM | it'll take a bit |
| 05:09.52 | brlcad | which is a shame, should be fixed to allow it |
| 05:09.53 | JeffM | I used the windows screnshot function |
| 05:10.02 | JeffM | had to adjust for gamma by hand |
| 05:10.08 | JeffM | but it'll get you the image |
| 05:12.21 | JeffM | 2.5 more files to go :) |
| 05:12.25 | JeffM | they ain't small pngs |
| 05:12.49 | JeffM | wow, photoshop does a better job of compression then BZ does |
| 05:13.00 | JeffM | http://www.opencombat.net/files/images/font_tests/ |
| 05:13.03 | JeffM | they are all done |
| 05:13.37 | JeffM | compare this http://www.opencombat.net/files/images/font_tests/normal/bzfi0070.png |
| 05:13.54 | JeffM | to this, http://www.opencombat.net/files/images/font_tests/ftgl/bzfi0076.png |
| 05:14.31 | JeffM | the chat box is correct |
| 05:14.52 | JeffM | but the HUD is super jacked |
| 05:15.48 | brlcad | yeah, supposed to be a little bigger, but not that much |
| 05:17.58 | DTRemenak | wow. big. |
| 05:18.29 | DTRemenak | and yeah, photoshop will do a better job. the screenshot png code uses a very simple (stupid) filtering algorithm |
| 05:19.05 | brlcad | notice how pretty and crisp it is that big, though ;) |
| 05:19.24 | JeffM | yeah it's a good system, makes good fons |
| 05:20.04 | DTRemenak | brlcad: how does your adaptive sizing work with the size adjustments in preferences? |
| 05:20.06 | brlcad | still wierd that just changing the size affects performance so much |
| 05:20.56 | brlcad | DTRemenak: yeah, it just adaptively picks one of the four sizes, 8, 16, 24, 32 (or 40 if needed for really huge displays) |
| 05:21.10 | blast007 | brlcad: I'll be trying it shortly on my fast system |
| 05:21.15 | JeffM | it kinda looks like the hud stuff is double size |
| 05:21.25 | JeffM | like a size factor was used twice |
| 05:21.33 | blast007 | just waiting for the non-FTGL version to build |
| 05:22.05 | DTRemenak | brlcad: I mean, if you adjust "Control panel font size" in preferences, does it correctly adjust it? and if you change the size of the control panel, does it leave your fonts the same size, or change them? |
| 05:22.39 | brlcad | DTRemenak: oh, yeah -- it's only dynamic if set to automatic (-1) |
| 05:22.45 | DTRemenak | ah, ok |
| 05:22.48 | brlcad | scoreboard is the same way |
| 05:22.53 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 05:23.02 | brlcad | JeffM: is your scoreboard font size set to automatic or huge? |
| 05:23.22 | brlcad | i'd expect that for huge, but not for automatic |
| 05:23.29 | JeffM | all mine are set to auto |
| 05:23.38 | JeffM | same settings for both clients |
| 05:23.39 | brlcad | k, then the auto params aren't good for it |
| 05:23.54 | brlcad | well, huge on head isn't the same size as huge on branch |
| 05:24.07 | brlcad | the range is bigger |
| 05:24.10 | JeffM | ahh |
| 05:24.43 | JeffM | it's still masive |
| 05:24.53 | JeffM | the spawn message, basicly FILLS my display |
| 05:25.06 | JeffM | I fear it would clip if I didn't have a widescreen |
| 05:25.11 | brlcad | yeah, that's different code -- hard set to like 1/10th iirc |
| 05:25.14 | JeffM | even on the second item |
| 05:25.20 | brlcad | only scoreboard and console is automatic |
| 05:25.25 | JeffM | I set em both to the second bip |
| 05:25.30 | JeffM | they are still huge |
| 05:25.45 | brlcad | they being which? |
| 05:25.55 | JeffM | controll panel and score |
| 05:25.59 | JeffM | score is huge |
| 05:26.14 | brlcad | does the size actually change if you change the slider? |
| 05:26.15 | JeffM | auto for chat looks fine |
| 05:26.22 | JeffM | yeah I just did that :) |
| 05:26.32 | JeffM | auto for score is larger then 1/2 the screen |
| 05:26.53 | JeffM | auto for score is only slightly less then huge |
| 05:27.11 | brlcad | yeah, just a bad metric |
| 05:27.19 | JeffM | seting score to the second setting looks ok ( had it on huge before I lied ) |
| 05:27.38 | JeffM | there is a huge diff between the second and thrid bip |
| 05:27.40 | brlcad | second is 16 point font |
| 05:27.56 | brlcad | 8, 16, 24, 30, auto |
| 05:28.06 | brlcad | er, 32 |
| 05:28.25 | DTRemenak | 'cause that could jack things up nicely |
| 05:28.45 | DTRemenak | it's hardly ever actually right |
| 05:30.30 | JeffM | gpx looks the same under windows and osx using it |
| 05:30.33 | brlcad | erhm, that's odd |
| 05:30.48 | brlcad | my auto-sizing code isn't in scoreboard renderer any more |
| 05:31.13 | JeffM | DTRemenak, and the chatbox and main menu looks nearly the same |
| 05:31.17 | JeffM | it's just the hud stuff |
| 05:31.34 | DTRemenak | ahh, the old vanishing code syndrome, brlcad? |
| 05:31.44 | brlcad | wicked wierd |
| 05:32.21 | brlcad | i spent an hour rewriting that, hope it's not lost |
| 05:32.48 | JeffM | were you sober? |
| 05:32.51 | L4m3r | it can't be lost, you'd just have to dig back for it |
| 05:33.01 | L4m3r | assuming it was committed in the first place :P |
| 05:33.07 | JeffM | time machine!!! |
| 05:33.24 | L4m3r | SVN!!! :D |
| 05:33.36 | JeffM | if he never commited it svn won'thave it |
| 05:33.42 | L4m3r | well, yeah |
| 05:33.54 | JeffM | I think he's checking to see if he didn't blow over his local changed by accedent |
| 05:37.16 | blast007 | brlcad: sitting at the menu, at 1600x1200: 642FPS with FTGL, 645FPS without |
| 05:37.39 | brlcad | didn't make the big tweak commit apparently :( |
| 05:37.42 | brlcad | blast007: cool, thx |
| 05:37.55 | blast007 | trying a lower res quick as well |
| 05:37.56 | brlcad | so it's looking like a pretty constant 5 fps or so |
| 05:38.10 | brlcad | which is probably just the overhead calls passing through |
| 05:38.14 | blast007 | font scale is good at that high of a resolution, but it was way too big when I ran it on my laptop |
| 05:38.41 | brlcad | way to big where? |
| 05:38.53 | blast007 | I'll upload a screenshot |
| 05:39.36 | DTRemenak | mmm, wish I would have thought of that |
| 05:40.27 | brlcad | it's a hard mental debate.. edit one or two lines in 20 files.. or spend an hour and write a new class.. |
| 05:41.45 | brlcad | well gotta do it yet again, so might as well.. |
| 05:42.08 | brlcad | especially since I'd have to rewrite that autosizer yet again |
| 05:43.05 | blast007 | brlcad: http://static.bzexcess.com/ftgl/ |
| 05:43.22 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 05:44.25 | blast007 | at 640x480, at the menu: 1205 with FTGL, 1820 without FTGL |
| 05:44.50 | blast007 | so a bit of a hit there, not that it matters ;) |
| 05:45.44 | blast007 | the fonts are also blurry with FTGL at 640x480 |
| 05:45.58 | brlcad | that's interesting |
| 05:46.10 | brlcad | could be your display interpolating or something |
| 05:46.43 | blast007 | I'm on a CRT |
| 05:46.49 | blast007 | for the FPS benchmarks |
| 05:46.58 | DTRemenak | texturefont cheats at low resolutions; I'm betting ftgl doesn't, so you may get fonts in poorly-defined/hinted sizes |
| 05:47.44 | blast007 | it's just the console font that is blurry at 640x480, actually |
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| 05:47.54 | blast007 | quite small |
| 05:47.57 | blast007 | hi jude- |
| 05:48.04 | jude- | greetings from Las Vegas :) |
| 05:48.12 | brlcad | howdy ju |
| 05:48.26 | Legolas_ | jude-, howdy. |
| 05:48.31 | blast007 | ah, some of the other menus are blurry too, smaller fonts ther |
| 05:48.42 | JeffM | yeah on low res, larger displays the pixels will get HUGE and you can see the aliasing |
| 05:48.50 | Legolas_ | so, jude, how much money did you lose? |
| 05:48.54 | JeffM | blast007, what size display, in inches? |
| 05:49.45 | jude- | Legolas_: I'm not old enough to be let into the casinos :) |
| 05:49.56 | blast007 | JeffM: 17 |
| 05:50.07 | JeffM | yeah, that's going to look like ass :) |
| 05:50.11 | JeffM | run a real res ;) |
| 05:50.17 | blast007 | JeffM: already was |
| 05:50.41 | blast007 | just testing the other end of the system |
| 05:50.49 | blast007 | and it's a CRT, not an LCD |
| 05:51.04 | JeffM | blast007, makes it even worse, you'll get REALY big real pixels ;) |
| 05:51.30 | JeffM | but DTRemenak is probbly right, it dosn't cheat, so it's computing like a 4-6 pt font |
| 05:51.47 | JeffM | and there isn't a lot of room to make good Aliased letters in 6-8 pixels :) |
| 05:51.55 | JeffM | probably want to swap to a bitmaper at that res |
| 05:52.10 | JeffM | or turn off AA |
| 05:52.43 | blast007 | the display format menu items overlap with FTGL |
| 05:53.31 | blast007 | hmm...and with trunk, "page up" goes down, and "page down" go up ;) |
| 05:54.17 | blast007 | the console font is definately too small though |
| 05:56.22 | brlcad | screenshot? |
| 05:56.52 | brlcad | it tries to render at least 10 lines, so if it's tiny, it's going to make for a tiny font |
| 05:57.20 | brlcad | obviously still needs tweaking of course, though |
| 05:59.30 | blast007 | making some comparison shots |
| 06:00.12 | blast007 | when I go into the Help menu, and hit "page down", there is approximately a 4 second delay |
| 06:00.16 | blast007 | is that supposed to happen? |
| 06:00.30 | blast007 | is it rendering fonts? |
| 06:00.31 | brlcad | mine crashes, so .. you've got one up on me ;) |
| 06:00.35 | blast007 | heh.. |
| 06:00.54 | blast007 | I get a large performance hit on there |
| 06:01.33 | blast007 | at 1024x768, 362FPS with FTGL, 935 without |
| 06:01.46 | blast007 | a lot of text on that help page |
| 06:03.50 | brlcad | good test case to profile |
| 06:04.51 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14547 10/branches/ftgl/src/bzflag/ (ScoreboardRenderer.cxx ScoreboardRenderer.h): readd some auto-sizing code for the scoreboard, somehow lost the original version. this isn't as good, but it's better than nothing. |
| 06:05.11 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14548 10/branches/ftgl/src/bzflag/ControlPanel.cxx: make em const |
| 06:07.01 | *** part/#bzflag Legolas_ (n=Legolas_@adsl-68-127-118-248.dsl.frsn02.pacbell.net) |
| 06:14.18 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r14549 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/FormatMenu.cxx: page 1 is the "top", so page up should take the page number DOWN (and vice versa) |
| 06:14.31 | DTRemenak | ~blast007++ |
| 06:15.40 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r14550 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/FormatMenu.cxx: when wrapping from last to first page, actually go to the first page (internally 0), not the second |
| 06:16.12 | blast007 | brlcad: I have some comparison shots here: http://static.bzexcess.com/ftgl/ |
| 06:16.57 | DTRemenak | blast007: help behaves correctly on trunk, right? |
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| 06:20.52 | blast007 | DTRemenak: you mean before, or after that change you just made? |
| 06:21.28 | blast007 | it was working fine for me |
| 06:21.55 | blast007 | oh, that was the FormatMenu, nvm ;) |
| 06:22.01 | blast007 | but yeah, it works fine |
| 06:22.46 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 06:25.45 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03judecn * r14551 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (14 files in 10 dirs): |
| 06:25.45 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Re-enabled scaling and rotating in the 3D scene, re-factored BZTransform into a subclass of osg::MatrixTransform (in preparation for more advance |
| 06:25.45 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: transform ops, like shearing), re-enabled the global menu...will soon add all necessary 2D UIs to add, remove, cut, copy, paste, load, save, and |
| 06:25.45 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: manually tweak objects. |
| 06:25.59 | DTRemenak | ~jude++ |
| 06:26.14 | jude- | you ain't seen nothin' yet :) |
| 06:39.48 | AAA_awright | Why does jude get karma for committing and I create an entire stats server that tells you when players are usually online that gets zero attention? |
| 06:40.42 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14552 10/branches/ftgl/src/bzflag/HUDuiFrame.cxx: different font metrics, bump the label up to the baseline |
| 06:41.57 | jude- | AAA_awright: the points don't matter |
| 06:42.01 | jude- | not to me, at least |
| 06:42.29 | AAA_awright | To quote some source: "Oh god, my caring just went negitive" |
| 06:42.38 | AAA_awright | ~karma AAA_awright |
| 06:42.38 | ibot | aaa_awright has karma of -1 |
| 06:42.47 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14553 10/branches/ftgl/src/bzflag/ (5 files): rename local client vars from cpanelfontsize to consoleFontSize and scorefontsize to scoreFontSize, adjust the font size case statements to make unknown index sizes mean autosize. |
| 06:43.05 | brlcad | blast007: I like your fps meter |
| 06:43.08 | jude- | ~AAA_awright++ |
| 06:43.12 | AAA_awright | :) |
| 06:43.18 | brlcad | should make that default on if debug is enabled or something |
| 06:43.24 | blast007 | brlcad: that's from FRAPS |
| 06:43.33 | brlcad | fraps? |
| 06:43.37 | AAA_awright | ~jude-++ |
| 06:43.50 | brlcad | video card feature? |
| 06:43.55 | blast007 | http://www.fraps.com/ |
| 06:44.08 | blast007 | shows FPS, let's me record video of games, and take screenshots |
| 06:44.09 | jude- | AAA_awright: I get karma for giving you karma? |
| 06:44.20 | blast007 | also integrates with the LCD screen on my keyboard, to show a FPS chart |
| 06:44.28 | brlcad | ah, durn |
| 06:44.29 | AAA_awright | http://www.fraps.com/ |
| 06:45.20 | AAA_awright | # Requires DirectX 9.0c or DirectX 10 |
| 06:46.04 | AAA_awright | I didn't know DirectX can capture an OpenGL buffer. I suppose it is possible, I just haven't thought about it... |
| 06:46.21 | blast007 | AAA_awright: who said it does? |
| 06:46.37 | AAA_awright | # Fraps is a universal Windows application that can be used with games using DirectX or OpenGL graphic technology |
| 06:47.00 | blast007 | right, but who said they used DirectX to capture OpenGL games? :P |
| 06:47.08 | AAA_awright | # Requires DirectX 9.0c or DirectX 10 |
| 06:47.19 | blast007 | right right, but that doesn't say that |
| 06:47.36 | blast007 | you're making an assumption |
| 06:47.39 | AAA_awright | It implies that? |
| 06:47.44 | blast007 | no, it does not |
| 06:48.16 | blast007 | if anything, it just implies that it needs that version to capture Direct3D games |
| 06:48.58 | blast007 | and it might need it to run, but that still would not imply anything with DirectX capturing OpenGL |
| 06:50.55 | AAA_awright | Alright... so I know nothing about hardware-level graphics processing. |
| 06:51.10 | blast007 | neither do I |
| 06:51.19 | blast007 | I'm just making less assumptions |
| 06:52.01 | AAA_awright | So why does it work so much better then OpenGL's frame capture? |
| 06:52.29 | blast007 | there isn't one method of capture |
| 06:54.07 | AAA_awright | ...And I also don't have the red book sitting in front of me. |
| 07:00.18 | AAA_awright | The bzflag source is fairly well written (structure wise, not efficency wise, yes, it is. Stop doubting yourselves). Why use a method that knowingly takes an entire second to execute? |
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| 07:08.03 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14554 10/branches/ftgl/ (BUGS src/bzflag/FormatMenu.cxx): merge from trunk |
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| 07:10.25 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03judecn * r14555 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (8 files in 8 dirs): |
| 07:10.25 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Access the Global Menu by double right-clicking on the 3D view. Select "Add Object"-->"box", and be amazed: you can add and configure all |
| 07:10.25 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: objects this way! |
| 07:12.52 | jude- | Translation: you can add and configure boxes in the 3D scene now |
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| 07:36.44 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03judecn * r14556 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (7 files in 5 dirs): |
| 07:36.44 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: The idea now is that the user should double-right-click an object to open up a Master Configuration Dialog...the code is in place, but the event |
| 07:36.44 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: handler needs to be fixed to allow this. |
| 07:37.06 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14557 10/branches/ftgl/ (22 files in 3 dirs): merge from trunk/head to branch, updates since r14514 (20070715) |
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| 09:11.27 | ts_ | brlcad: I noticed there is no Makefile in src/other/freetype and I can't built due to that. Have you forgot to check something in? |
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| 09:11.49 | ts_ | brlcad: Refering to ftgl branch |
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| 11:21.09 | daxxar | ~seen brlcad |
| 11:21.16 | ibot | brlcad is currently on #bzflag (5d 12h 12m 22s) #brlcad (5d 12h 12m 22s). Has said a total of 888 messages. Is idling for 4h 36m 48s, last said: 'ah, durn'. |
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| 13:12.05 | donny_baker | Wiki software upgraded to 1.10.1 |
| 13:12.16 | donny_baker | please report if you see any issues |
| 13:19.22 | donny_baker | brlcad, blsat007, JeffM: There is a new Mediawiki extension (3-15-2007) PHPBB/Users intigration... supports PHPBB2 & 3 |
| 13:19.48 | donny_baker | blast007: oops ^^^^^ |
| 14:25.10 | blast007 | donny_baker: interesting |
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| 14:33.08 | TASAIRES | Hello to alls |
| 14:33.14 | TASAIRES | hello ruskie |
| 14:33.18 | ruskie | :) |
| 14:33.18 | TASAIRES | ;) |
| 14:33.57 | TASAIRES | ruskie, by where started? |
| 14:34.57 | ruskie | by installing a few things |
| 14:34.59 | ruskie | lemme find the list |
| 14:35.57 | TASAIRES | lemme?? |
| 14:36.01 | ruskie | let me :) |
| 14:36.10 | TASAIRES | an moment Need Google Translate |
| 14:36.12 | TASAIRES | :) |
| 14:37.10 | TASAIRES | ok |
| 14:38.31 | ruskie | libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 14:38.34 | ruskie | for starters |
| 14:40.56 | TASAIRES | are installs!! ok |
| 14:41.17 | ruskie | hmm |
| 14:41.25 | ruskie | check to where /usr/lib/libGL.so points to |
| 14:41.34 | ruskie | should point to the mesa one |
| 14:43.43 | TASAIRES | ruskie, yes are /usr/lib/libGL.so |
| 14:43.53 | TASAIRES | Chek ok |
| 14:43.57 | ruskie | can you paste your xorg.conf |
| 14:44.09 | ruskie | on some paste site that is :) |
| 14:44.20 | TASAIRES | ok an moment |
| 14:48.04 | TASAIRES | ruskie, http://rafb.net/p/pvfKmz37.html That is modificate to fglrx driver |
| 14:49.00 | TASAIRES | and too tried make the beryl with Kde, can here any lines more by that last |
| 14:49.09 | TASAIRES | but not run |
| 14:49.38 | ruskie | libdrm2 <-- also need that |
| 14:50.35 | TASAIRES | where get libdrm2?? |
| 14:50.48 | TASAIRES | or where put |
| 14:50.54 | ruskie | get |
| 14:50.58 | ruskie | it's a package |
| 14:51.13 | ruskie | http://paste.sarcelle.net/index.php?id=a711aa334e <-- here's the driver config for the radeon driver |
| 14:51.50 | TASAIRES | I see that libdrm2 is Chek ok Install |
| 14:52.31 | ruskie | ok modify you xorg.conf and comment out the fglrx stuff and put in the stuff I put |
| 14:53.13 | TASAIRES | Need unistall fglrx? and back to free Driver, or not is necesarius |
| 14:53.13 | TASAIRES | ? |
| 14:53.37 | ruskie | shouldn't be if libGL.so is proper |
| 14:54.22 | ruskie | you will need to unload the fglrx and related modules and load up drm and radeon and agpgart and the specific agp module for your chipset |
| 14:56.33 | TASAIRES | my motherboard is nVidia nForce3 |
| 14:56.51 | ruskie | lspci |
| 14:56.58 | TASAIRES | yes |
| 14:57.56 | ruskie | hmm |
| 14:58.02 | ruskie | agp_nvidia perhaps |
| 14:58.03 | TASAIRES | http://rafb.net/p/cWV0Ef52.html |
| 14:58.13 | ruskie | though that says it's for nForce and nForce2 |
| 14:58.34 | TASAIRES | yes is an integrated agp |
| 14:58.42 | TASAIRES | nForce 3 |
| 15:00.14 | TASAIRES | GigaByte K8 Triton Series nForce 3 AGP8X/DDr 400 |
| 15:01.08 | TASAIRES | ruskie, that i think that can be the real problem |
| 15:01.35 | ruskie | can you paste lsmod output |
| 15:01.53 | TASAIRES | ok a moment |
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| 15:03.38 | TASAIRES | http://rafb.net/p/Sj5Xml68.html <-- ruskie |
| 15:04.08 | ruskie | amd64_agp <-- ok you have that |
| 15:04.31 | TASAIRES | yes |
| 15:04.34 | ruskie | rmmod fglrx and modprobe drm and modprobe radeon |
| 15:04.44 | ruskie | after leaving X of course :) |
| 15:05.00 | TASAIRES | amd64_agp 12036 1 |
| 15:05.23 | ruskie | yeah that's what you seem to need :) |
| 15:05.47 | TASAIRES | rmmod fglrx and modprobe drm and modprobe radeon, that are packages¿?? |
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| 15:05.55 | ruskie | modules |
| 15:05.56 | TASAIRES | it is Ok?? |
| 15:06.06 | ruskie | fglrx is for the binary ati driver |
| 15:06.09 | TASAIRES | download and install taht |
| 15:06.13 | ruskie | drm and radeon are for the free ones |
| 15:06.18 | ruskie | you most likely have it |
| 15:06.19 | TASAIRES | ok |
| 15:06.22 | ruskie | modprobe -l | grep radeon |
| 15:06.53 | TASAIRES | bash: modprobe: command not found |
| 15:07.12 | ruskie | su to root first |
| 15:08.42 | TASAIRES | http://rafb.net/p/2PJH2t57.html |
| 15:08.52 | TASAIRES | ruskie, that is the out |
| 15:08.58 | ruskie | yeah |
| 15:09.03 | ruskie | so as said the driver is there |
| 15:09.09 | ruskie | are you in X currently? |
| 15:09.31 | TASAIRES | yes only on X now |
| 15:09.52 | ruskie | ls /dev/dri/ |
| 15:09.55 | ruskie | do you have anything there? |
| 15:11.15 | TASAIRES | card0 ->>##is the out |
| 15:11.28 | ruskie | ok |
| 15:11.48 | ruskie | now quit X rmmod fglrx && modprobe drm && modprobe radeon |
| 15:11.53 | ruskie | as root of course |
| 15:12.42 | TASAIRES | for that need closed the X first?? |
| 15:12.46 | ruskie | yup |
| 15:12.53 | ruskie | else fglrx won't want to leave |
| 15:13.01 | TASAIRES | is an question only |
| 15:13.26 | ruskie | might want to paste the updated xorg.conf |
| 15:13.39 | ruskie | just so I can double check if you have everything ok |
| 15:14.01 | TASAIRES | ERROR: Module fglrx is in use |
| 15:14.13 | ruskie | you quit X? |
| 15:15.39 | TASAIRES | 1 - Changed .conf , 2 - close X, 3 - rmmod fglrx && modprobe drm && modprobe radeon, and tried restore X before |
| 15:15.43 | TASAIRES | Is that ok? |
| 15:16.26 | ruskie | yup |
| 15:17.58 | TASAIRES | ok |
| 15:18.04 | TASAIRES | go tried |
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| 15:31.39 | TASAIRES | ruskie, hello |
| 15:31.52 | TASAIRES | X go |
| 15:32.02 | ruskie | k |
| 15:32.12 | ruskie | glxinfo |
| 15:32.14 | ruskie | ? |
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| 15:32.18 | TASAIRES | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:32.26 | TASAIRES | a moment |
| 15:32.47 | ruskie | you are currently loaded with the radeon driver correct... |
| 15:33.39 | TASAIRES | http://rafb.net/p/McV7Zd94.html |
| 15:34.11 | TASAIRES | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.15 | TASAIRES | ?' |
| 15:34.44 | TASAIRES | ATI CONTROL PANEL |
| 15:34.47 | TASAIRES | error |
| 15:35.01 | ruskie | LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo |
| 15:35.03 | ruskie | can you paste that output |
| 15:35.09 | TASAIRES | Open GL ->Tungtens |
| 15:35.28 | TASAIRES | Mesa Dri 200 TCL 8x |
| 15:36.55 | ruskie | erm |
| 15:38.29 | TASAIRES | sorry can repeat me more easy, Sorry |
| 15:38.54 | TASAIRES | is that? -> |
| 15:38.55 | ruskie | LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo <-- paste me that output |
| 15:38.56 | TASAIRES | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R200 20060602 AGP 8x TCL |
| 15:39.10 | TASAIRES | ah ok , sorry. |
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| 15:40.55 | TASAIRES | ruskie, that not is that, http://rafb.net/p/McV7Zd94.html |
| 15:41.10 | TASAIRES | glxinfo |
| 15:41.11 | ruskie | no |
| 15:41.15 | ruskie | "LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo" |
| 15:41.21 | ruskie | that's the full command |
| 15:41.26 | ruskie | not only glxinfo |
| 15:41.31 | ruskie | also the variable infront |
| 15:41.33 | ruskie | will output more info |
| 15:44.19 | TASAIRES | ruskie, the out is -> http://rafb.net/p/lMtxaN95.html |
| 15:45.13 | ruskie | TASAIRES, do you have: /usr/lib/dri/r200_dri.so |
| 15:45.16 | ruskie | ? |
| 15:47.01 | TASAIRES | yes |
| 15:47.31 | TASAIRES | ls /usr/lib/dri/r200_dri.so -> /usr/lib/dri/r200_dri.so |
| 15:48.19 | ruskie | hmm found some info on that issue... |
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| 15:50.12 | ruskie | hmm TASAIRES export MESA_DEBUG=verbose and export LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose then rerun glxinfo and paste that |
| 15:50.46 | ruskie | ahh |
| 15:50.59 | ruskie | remove the fglrx stuff completly |
| 15:51.08 | ruskie | and reinstall all the libgl stuff |
| 15:51.19 | TASAIRES | ok |
| 15:57.25 | TASAIRES | fglrx unisntall |
| 15:57.29 | Winny | I assume the highest rez textures that the devs would want in the game are 512x512? |
| 15:57.42 | TASAIRES | ruskie, unisntall fglrx |
| 15:57.42 | ruskie | TASAIRES, reinstall the libgl1-stuff |
| 15:57.53 | ruskie | then try glxinfo again |
| 15:57.59 | TASAIRES | ok |
| 15:58.02 | DTRemenak | Winny: our current MaxTextureSize is 512, so yeah, that'd be a good assumption |
| 15:58.10 | DTRemenak | anything bigger is just wasted pixels |
| 15:58.26 | Winny | as in, it downsizes it to 512? |
| 15:58.40 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 15:58.49 | Winny | hmm...k. |
| 15:58.58 | Winny | any plans of changing that for 2.2? |
| 16:00.27 | Winny | cause I made some larger base textures, and I want wondering if anyone wanted to use 'em. |
| 16:07.54 | TASAIRES | ruskie, that is the out http://rafb.net/p/fgFwm090.html |
| 16:08.26 | ruskie | TASAIRES, congratulations: direct rendering: Yes |
| 16:08.37 | ruskie | you now hawe 3D acceleration using the Free drivers |
| 16:09.27 | TASAIRES | Thak, Ruskie, If You was Sofia Vergara Or Jenifer Lopes , I kill You to Kiss ;D |
| 16:09.47 | TASAIRES | Thanks Ruskie. very Thks |
| 16:10.28 | TASAIRES | ruskie, i play that mode on Knoppix, but i no can put that on Debian |
| 16:10.47 | TASAIRES | Now is iqual, the some, |
| 16:11.32 | TASAIRES | ruskie, I now to going to work on less to one hour, I see you on Bzflag |
| 16:11.36 | TASAIRES | Bye Bye |
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| 16:32.07 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03Chestal * r14558 10/trunk/bzflag/ (5 files in 3 dirs): spelling and whitespace |
| 16:32.10 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03Chestal * r14559 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/ (5 files in 3 dirs): spelling and whitespace |
| 16:36.48 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03Chestal * r14560 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: whitespace |
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| 17:28.53 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03Chestal * r14561 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzflag/ (HUDRenderer.cxx LocalPlayer.cxx Player.cxx playing.cxx): prefer getTick() over getCurrent() where appropriate |
| 17:46.57 | brlcad | donny_baker: does LocalSettings line 111 look right to you? |
| 17:47.14 | brlcad | didn't look to see what it's used for, but doesn't seem right |
| 17:57.24 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14562 10/branches/ftgl/src/bzflag/ (FontSizer.cxx FontSizer.h): |
| 17:57.24 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: initial font sizing class that works with bzdb to determine what font size |
| 17:57.24 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: should be used for various parts of the gui. there are 'fixed' font sizes |
| 17:57.24 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: (tiny, small, medium, large, and huge) that it knows about that work with |
| 17:57.24 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: categorical relative font sizes (title, menu, console, score, etc) being |
| 17:57.27 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: provided via bzdb that specify a value between 0 and 1 for how much of the |
| 17:57.29 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: display it should take up for a specified width and height. |
| 17:57.46 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14563 10/branches/ftgl/src/bzflag/Makefile.am: add FontSizer to the build |
| 18:00.31 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14564 10/branches/ftgl/MSVC/ (VC71/bzflag.vcproj VC8/bzflag.vcproj): add FontSizer to the windows build |
| 18:01.50 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14565 10/branches/ftgl/src/bzflag/defaultBZDB.cxx: move fonts down to their own section, add sectional font sizes for title, menu, hud, alert, console, and score for starters |
| 18:03.01 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14566 10/branches/ftgl/src/bzflag/defaultBZDB.cxx: tweak sizes to be usually powers of two |
| 18:03.28 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14567 10/branches/ftgl/src/bzflag/MainMenu.cxx: use the new FontSizer for getting the font size |
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| 18:20.50 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14568 10/branches/ftgl/src/bzflag/FontSizer.cxx: take the aspect ratio of the window and the font into account so that tall and wide window sizes or fonts are automatically taken into account. it uses the most limiting aspect in order to try and fit the content. |
| 18:23.32 | Jeffm | Ahh it was aspect? |
| 18:25.41 | brlcad | partially |
| 18:26.04 | brlcad | but I'm just changing how that all works anyways, so sizes are consistent throughout coming from pretty much one place |
| 18:26.51 | donny_baker | did you see about the new plugin? what are your thoughts? |
| 18:27.35 | Jeffm | the new plugin? There is only one? |
| 18:28.10 | brlcad | didn't see it yet |
| 18:28.43 | donny_baker | ah Jeff you didn't see my ping |
| 18:28.47 | brlcad | otherwise, I suppose it depends on how it integrates with bzbb |
| 18:28.54 | brlcad | what's it actually "do"? |
| 18:29.07 | donny_baker | there is a PHPBB2 & # auth plugin for mediawiki now |
| 18:29.16 | blast007 | s/#/3/ |
| 18:29.27 | Jeffm | Im on a pda |
| 18:29.37 | brlcad | heh |
| 18:29.53 | brlcad | donny_baker: who does the auth? phpbb or media? |
| 18:30.01 | donny_baker | phpbb |
| 18:30.12 | Jeffm | Eww |
| 18:30.20 | Jeffm | Ldap |
| 18:30.33 | donny_baker | yeah, but when are we going to do that? |
| 18:30.52 | brlcad | that would be "better" for the interim until ldap is in place perhaps, just so users don't have to create two accounts for those that haven't already |
| 18:31.06 | brlcad | assuming it works of course |
| 18:31.07 | donny_baker | that was my thought |
| 18:31.14 | donny_baker | that too :P |
| 18:31.22 | blast007 | "Links MediaWiki's user table to phpBB's." |
| 18:31.23 | brlcad | does it do anything else? |
| 18:32.09 | blast007 | single session login stuff, so it can share the phpbb2 session |
| 18:32.27 | blast007 | eww, wait, nvm |
| 18:32.36 | blast007 | "Users will use mediawiki to login, disable the phpbb login page." |
| 18:33.16 | donny_baker | that is for the single session functionality |
| 18:33.22 | blast007 | yeah |
| 18:33.29 | blast007 | username rules don't match |
| 18:34.03 | donny_baker | eww... that could be ugly |
| 18:35.01 | brlcad | yeah, that'd be more trouble than it's worth if mediawiki has to be the authority |
| 18:35.25 | blast007 | that's only for the single login |
| 18:35.26 | brlcad | probably about the same effort to import data into ldap |
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| 18:36.54 | donny_baker | if you don't use single sign-on phpbb is the authority, but media wiki will not allow names with certain characters such as [ and ] |
| 18:37.22 | donny_baker | and there are quite a few with names using those characters |
| 18:38.04 | brlcad | then *shrug*, it's up to you |
| 18:38.19 | brlcad | some short-term benefit |
| 18:38.35 | brlcad | dunno if it's worth the effort though |
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| 18:53.15 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14569 10/branches/ftgl/src/bzflag/bzflag.cxx: support having -window even before the optional hostname too without it needing to have a geometry format |
| 18:55.07 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14570 10/branches/ftgl/src/bzflag/defaultBZDB.cxx: add a header and menu font size to distinguish between the two |
| 18:55.26 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14571 10/branches/ftgl/src/bzflag/MainMenu.cxx: use the headerFontSize instead of menu now |
| 18:55.55 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14572 10/branches/ftgl/src/bzflag/JoinMenu.cxx: convert over to the new FontSizer |
| 19:00.17 | Chestal | blast007: time for a quick test with your high fps client? (2.0) |
| 19:00.34 | blast007 | Chestal: sure, is 2.0.8 fine? |
| 19:00.56 | Chestal | blast007: should be. can you go to ducati.bzflag.org 59998? |
| 19:01.09 | blast007 | k |
| 19:08.22 | Chestal | blast007: thanks, seems to basically work |
| 19:08.30 | blast007 | np |
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| 19:16.06 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14573 10/branches/ftgl/src/bzflag/GUIOptionsMenu.cxx: use multiples of 8 directly for the scoreboard and console so that the value can be used as is consistently with the other font size bzdb variables. |
| 19:16.41 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14574 10/branches/ftgl/src/bzflag/ (7 files): convert more over to the new FontSizer for getting font sizes |
| 19:16.55 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03Chestal * r14575 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/ (5 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 19:16.55 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Change the calculation of the apparent velocity of players. It is now done |
| 19:16.55 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: on each call to setDeadReckoning() instead on each position update (which |
| 19:16.55 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: happens every frame based on local dead reckoning calcs). Basically av = |
| 19:16.55 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: dx/dt, where dt is calculated based on the timestamps in the MsgPlayerUpdate |
| 19:16.57 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: packets. This means that the value is not subject to jitter. Thus, if it |
| 19:16.59 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: exceeds the maximum speed, the player is cheating or e.g. suffering from the |
| 19:17.52 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03Chestal * r14576 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzflag/HUDRenderer.cxx: display apparent velocity in observer info as a maximum for each 0.5s time interval, making it easier to spot abnormal values |
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| 19:28.42 | Macrosoft | anyone know how the billboards at mofo work? |
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| 19:29.47 | Chestal | blast007: can you easily compile bz yourself? |
| 19:29.53 | blast007 | yup |
| 19:30.15 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14577 10/branches/ftgl/src/bzflag/ (5 files): more FontSizer refactoring. stash MainMenu::getFontFace() so it's not called so often, and use it. |
| 19:30.21 | Daveman | Hello BZFlag :) |
| 19:30.48 | Chestal | can you edit src/bzflag/BaseLocalPlayer.cxx at about line 57. there is if (dt < 0.001f) |
| 19:31.12 | blast007 | v2_0branch? |
| 19:31.43 | Chestal | blast007: 2_0, yes. change "dt=0.001f;" to "{ TimeKeeper::sleep(0.001f-dt); dt=.001f; } |
| 19:32.48 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14578 10/branches/ftgl/src/bzflag/GUIOptionsMenu.cxx: font sizes are actual values now so use multiplier of 8 |
| 19:33.10 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14579 10/branches/ftgl/src/bzflag/FormatMenu.cxx: missed a couple sizes |
| 19:39.00 | blast007 | Chestal: build in progress |
| 19:39.14 | Chestal | blast007: what platform are you on? |
| 19:39.20 | blast007 | windows |
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| 19:40.39 | Chestal | hmm, actualy I am not sure the change is good enough |
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| 19:46.33 | spldart | What tool do you use to build in windows blast? |
| 19:46.36 | blast007 | Chestal: could we just put a "float dt = float(TimeKeeper::getTick() - lastTime);" followed by a "if (dt < 0.001f) return;" at the very start of the function? |
| 19:46.42 | blast007 | spldart: Visual Studio 2003 |
| 19:46.52 | spldart | was thinking so but was curious |
| 19:49.21 | Chestal | blast007: hmm, not sure what would happen |
| 19:49.41 | blast007 | I tried your change, and was still kicked when my FPS was around 1000 |
| 19:51.47 | wanda | if you get too high rates, share some fps to me - i am only around 50 fps ... :-( |
| 19:52.00 | ruskie | I only need 25-30 fps :) |
| 19:52.05 | ruskie | anything more is wasted |
| 19:52.41 | daxxar | Hey :-) |
| 19:55.17 | daxxar | And bye, good night. :-) |
| 19:56.01 | daxxar | Heading home tomorrow, so will get some coding done then. |
| 19:56.20 | daxxar | \o/ |
| 19:56.50 | donny_baker | ~Winny:++ |
| 19:56.55 | donny_baker | ~Winny++ |
| 19:57.16 | Winny | :( |
| 19:59.09 | tannerld | the top of the wiki's header looks confused. |
| 19:59.18 | Winny | working on it, thanks. |
| 20:07.58 | Chestal | blast007: so your very first two lines are now dt = ...; if (dt < 0.001f) return; ? |
| 20:08.12 | blast007 | yeah |
| 20:08.37 | Chestal | ok, the other 0.001 stuff can then be removed of course |
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| 20:09.57 | TheRedBaron | chestal: ping |
| 20:10.07 | Chestal | TheRedBaron: pong |
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| 20:10.47 | TheRedBaron | Chestal: potential tk on pentagon |
| 20:11.10 | TheRedBaron | intermittably, he behaves, while some one tries to unsuccessfully poll ban |
| 20:11.13 | TheRedBaron | squid |
| 20:11.37 | Chestal | let me check |
| 20:11.46 | Macrosoft | blast007: who needs 1000fps? |
| 20:12.10 | blast007 | Macrosoft: we're testing bugs that occur at high FPS |
| 20:12.35 | Macrosoft | blast007: how are you getting such a high fps to test with? |
| 20:12.52 | blast007 | with a fairly high-end nVidia card |
| 20:13.14 | blast007 | I'm likely not even maxing the card out |
| 20:13.19 | blast007 | might be my CPU limiting me |
| 20:16.22 | Chestal | eek, I hate it when I want to type a message in bz and just start typing without hitting 'n' before. YOu never know what commands you trigger :-) |
| 20:17.12 | Macrosoft | i do the opposite here, i hit n before i type sometomes |
| 20:17.17 | Macrosoft | *sometimes |
| 20:17.33 | Chestal | yes, but nothing really bad happens then |
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| 20:24.59 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03Chestal * r14580 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzflag/BaseLocalPlayer.cxx: try to fix the speeding problem at extremely high fps by skipping the update of the local tank position until 1ms has passed |
| 20:27.12 | Chestal | hmm, I wonder what this new inputDT is in trunk's update() |
| 20:29.36 | TylerM | :wq |
| 20:29.43 | TylerM | oops ;) |
| 20:29.45 | ruskie | :) |
| 20:33.45 | Chestal | oh my, it's more complex in trunk, I'll skip it for now |
| 20:38.28 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03Chestal * r14581 10/trunk/bzflag/BUGS: high fps BaseLocalPlayer::update() problem |
| 20:49.30 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03Chestal * r14582 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/BUGS: (hopefully) fixed high fps problem |
| 20:52.15 | TheRedBaron | chestal: pass my regards on to lupi for such a fine server |
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| 20:56.45 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14583 10/branches/ftgl/src/bzflag/ (5 files): more conversion over to FontSizer for consistent font sizing (FIXME: still need min bounds support) |
| 21:19.29 | Winny | haha |
| 21:20.08 | Winny | ~implode |
| 21:20.09 | ibot | ACTION implodes |
| 21:28.45 | spldart | Good luck getting that thing started |
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| 21:36.47 | Macrosoft | pythonian still scamming list server |
| 21:37.11 | Winny | yup |
| 21:37.16 | Winny | always have been, always will be |
| 21:37.40 | Macrosoft | wow, no bots there right now |
| 21:38.40 | Winny | !??! |
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| 21:39.12 | Macrosoft | hmm...castle warfare. i think that was the first map i ever played on bz |
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| 21:40.01 | Macrosoft | crap...its full, i cant join :( |
| 21:40.30 | Winny | cool, someone just shut off pythonian |
| 21:40.50 | Macrosoft | no, its still there |
| 21:40.55 | Winny | hmm |
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| 21:41.54 | Macrosoft | *waiting for someone to quit castle warfare so i can join* |
| 21:44.06 | Macrosoft | heh, got a spot |
| 21:45.45 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14584 10/branches/ftgl/src/bzflag/ (9 files): more conversion over to FontSizer for consistent font sizing (FIXME: still need min bounds support) |
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| 21:59.22 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14585 10/branches/ftgl/src/bzflag/FontSizer.cxx: make sure the evaluated size is valid/set and a number |
| 21:59.44 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14586 10/branches/ftgl/src/bzflag/ (GUIOptionsMenu.cxx OptionsMenu.cxx ServerStartMenu.cxx): fix typos on the font names |
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| 23:07.24 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14587 10/branches/ftgl/src/bzflag/defaultBZDB.cxx: sort small to large |
| 23:08.20 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14588 10/branches/ftgl/src/bzflag/ (FontSizer.cxx FontSizer.h): support bzdb vars that specify the point size directly. if the value is greater than one, then it is automatically normalized to the appropriate size. |
| 23:16.43 | Thumper_ | brlcad: Is there a reason the files in the ftgl branch don't follow the same layout as the rest of the repo? ie. you have src/* instead bzflag/src/* ? |
| 23:18.35 | TylerM | can someone come help red on bloodbath? |
| 23:18.43 | TylerM | these blue jerks are ganging up on me 3 vs 1 |
| 23:24.14 | blast007 | linux audio support sure is "fun" |
| 23:24.57 | Winny | hehe |
| 23:25.14 | blast007 | the sounds in BZ seem to play too fast |
| 23:25.36 | blast007 | the audio in TORCS has pops |
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| 23:31.15 | Cybodog | any admin to urban jungle? Got a greifer cheater, IWontshootYou is is |
| 23:31.34 | Cybodog | teleport, flying, boom you are dead |
| 23:31.49 | Cybodog | only reg user online there, so can't poll. |
| 23:33.39 | Winny | done |
| 23:34.04 | blast007 | Winny: done ;) |
| 23:34.12 | Winny | ah, your quick |
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