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| 00:32.19 | jude- | will Valgrind return an invalid read if NULL is read? |
| 00:33.22 | jude- | i.e. int* getNULLint() { return NULL; } /* ... */ int main(int argc, char** argv) { int* i = getNULLint(); return 1; } |
| 00:35.55 | Erroneous | should |
| 00:36.03 | Erroneous | might be an option |
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| 00:36.34 | jude- | ...'cause with that code, it doesn't |
| 00:46.02 | AAA_awright | Yeay, I added waiting animations: http://labs.redjacket.ws/bzfls/ |
| 00:49.59 | Erroneous | jude-: there's nothing invalid done there |
| 00:50.28 | Erroneous | jude-: NULL pointers are fine, unless you try to dereference them |
| 00:50.41 | Erroneous | that's what I thought you meant by 'read' |
| 00:50.55 | Erroneous | i.e. int i = *getNULLint() |
| 00:54.04 | jude- | I see |
| 00:55.17 | Erroneous | invalid pointers of all sorts can be passed around all you want as long as you don't try to dereference them; they're really just ints with a special name |
| 00:56.19 | jude- | right, right |
| 01:00.48 | jude- | I'm getting invalid read errors with this one-line function: "bz2object* getBZWObject() { return this->bzObj; }" |
| 01:01.15 | jude- | any ideas? |
| 01:01.44 | jude- | is it possible that "this" is an invalid pointer? |
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| 01:05.52 | Erroneous | yes, this is probably not valid |
| 01:06.03 | Erroneous | likely been deleted at some point |
| 01:06.08 | Erroneous | valgrind should say |
| 01:06.36 | jude- | valgrind just outputs an "invalid read of size 4" at that method call |
| 01:06.44 | jude- | and then the method call trace |
| 01:07.16 | Epyon_ | texcoords in BZF are hell |
| 01:07.36 | Erroneous | heh |
| 01:07.41 | jude- | but oddly enough that method is called in a conditional block just before that error |
| 01:07.44 | Winny | is there any way to make radar bigger then 30 in 2.0.9? |
| 01:07.46 | Erroneous | they're a challenge at times :) |
| 01:08.07 | Epyon | took me 1h to get texturing right for simple boxes and quads :( |
| 01:08.34 | Erroneous | jude-: sure nothing happens inbetween? |
| 01:08.40 | Epyon | http://chaosforge.org/files/bzfi0021.png |
| 01:08.40 | trepan | Epyon: use a modeller |
| 01:08.59 | Epyon | trepan, lol |
| 01:09.14 | Epyon | trepan, the whole POINT of my project is not to use one xP |
| 01:09.24 | Erroneous | trepan: he's working on a random map generator..."use a modeller" not exactly a useful suggestion :) |
| 01:09.32 | trepan | ah ;-) |
| 01:09.40 | trepan | well the txcds are fairly standard |
| 01:10.05 | jude- | Erroneous: yes |
| 01:10.16 | jude- | no destructors, no memory management...nothing |
| 01:10.27 | Erroneous | Epyon: cool |
| 01:10.50 | trepan | Erroneous: could be useful, txcds don't change when you move objs around |
| 01:11.07 | Erroneous | mm, that's true |
| 01:11.30 | Epyon | Erroneous, not cool :(. This was the landmartk I wanted to have three days ago, but because of sudden difficulties with bzw and a funeral it got delayed :/ |
| 01:11.31 | trepan | Epyon: nice |
| 01:11.35 | Erroneous | could build a set of stock objects |
| 01:12.00 | Erroneous | Epyon: it's still cool :) |
| 01:12.18 | Epyon | The buildings will get subdivided, and some "squares" will be merged. |
| 01:12.39 | Epyon | Also some of them will be replaced with "parks" (currently just flatspace). |
| 01:13.11 | Epyon | I also hava prototype of a "high railway" going through (don't know it's name in english). |
| 01:13.36 | Erroneous | elevated rail is probably the equivalent term |
| 01:13.59 | donny_baker | ~Epyon++ |
| 01:14.14 | Epyon | Erroneous, yeah that's it. I guessed it would be a nice add for jump enabled maps. |
| 01:14.14 | donny_baker | better looking than Louman's city :) |
| 01:14.26 | AAA_awright | Does someone want to take down the link to the community choice awards in the topic? |
| 01:14.50 | Erroneous | Epyon: if you want to save some time on detail stuff, you could ask louman if you could borrow some of his models (stoplights, for instance, come to mind) |
| 01:15.03 | Erroneous | I'm sure he'd be happy to let you use them |
| 01:15.15 | Epyon | Also, I want immidate CTF compatibility, so the bases will be added too. |
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| 01:15.33 | Epyon | Erroneous, does he hang around on IRC? |
| 01:15.35 | Erroneous | ty AAA_awright |
| 01:15.41 | Erroneous | Epyon: usually not, though he shows up sometimes |
| 01:15.42 | donny_baker | Epyon: "high railway" is called different things depending an which city your in |
| 01:15.55 | Epyon | Erroneous, modeling a stoplight is a few minutes :P |
| 01:15.57 | Erroneous | pm him on the forums, or send him an email |
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| 01:16.07 | Erroneous | Epyon: yeah, he's got a whole collection of stuff though :) |
| 01:16.19 | Erroneous | a few minutes, times a hundred objects, makes a pretty big impact :) |
| 01:16.34 | Epyon | Yet I would like to do as much as possible proceduraly for as much extensibility as possible. |
| 01:16.36 | donny_baker | Epyon: in Chicago it's the "El" (said like "L"), shoert for Elevated train |
| 01:17.45 | Epyon | I know that modeling a nice EL would take me less than an hour for all segments, yet doing it procedurally even if it takes a day or few would be relly cool, and allow further customization (not to mention the experience gained xP) |
| 01:18.07 | Epyon | But maybe the first version will be premodeled for imiidate gain. |
| 01:18.35 | Erroneous | yup, some things should definitely be done procedurally. detail stuff I don't think needs to be though (park benches, stoplights, that sort of thing...what do you gain by doing them procedurally?) |
| 01:18.50 | Epyon | Also, the BZW's are getting awfully big when each mesh is seperately defined -- I think I'm nearing the limit :/ |
| 01:19.05 | Erroneous | use groups |
| 01:19.34 | Epyon | Erroneous, if I'd use groups the texcoords mess up :/ |
| 01:19.57 | Erroneous | you can apply materials to the instances rather than the source, iirc |
| 01:20.05 | Epyon | unless there is another way to texture objects except for texcoords. |
| 01:20.12 | trepan | texmats |
| 01:20.21 | Epyon | one that is binded to world texture coordinates |
| 01:20.32 | Epyon | trepan, I don't get them xP |
| 01:22.05 | Erroneous | Epyon: remember when I said to ask if you needed help? that's a perfect example... trepan and jude- certainly, CBG and Winny and others probably know about how to use them, and can explain them. |
| 01:22.23 | blast007 | there's a lovely forum :) |
| 01:22.29 | Erroneous | and there is the forum :) |
| 01:23.01 | Epyon | yeah, I think I'll ask them tommorow :) |
| 01:23.01 | Epyon | Today it's 3:22 in the night, and I'm loosing my brain powah. |
| 01:23.01 | Erroneous | hehe |
| 01:23.46 | Epyon | Hmm, can the textures be dynamicaly coloured? |
| 01:23.54 | Erroneous | yup |
| 01:23.57 | Epyon | That could add some variation to the buildings. |
| 01:24.03 | Epyon | TODO noted. |
| 01:24.20 | CBG | don't finga me! i didn't do nuffink! |
| 01:24.25 | JeffM | you can also add some more geo later |
| 01:24.33 | JeffM | make some of the windows, inset, etc... |
| 01:24.35 | Erroneous | for that matter, even if they couldn't, you could generate some of that procedurally too. |
| 01:24.59 | Epyon | JeffM, I'd love to do that, but I estimate a 5MB world file if I do it xP |
| 01:25.16 | Erroneous | ctf is important too |
| 01:25.21 | JeffM | that's why I said later |
| 01:25.27 | JeffM | 5 megs, whopty do |
| 01:25.30 | Erroneous | and don't worry too much about the size |
| 01:25.37 | Erroneous | we're terribly, terribly inefficient |
| 01:25.45 | JeffM | chache it out, add HTTP download support via a plugin and compress it ;) |
| 01:25.47 | Erroneous | having some gigantic maps around might help with that |
| 01:25.54 | Epyon | I've got two completely different generators, but none of them beyond prototype stage |
| 01:26.21 | Epyon | Anyway, I'll polish this one for midterm |
| 01:26.27 | JeffM | hmmm I sould make an autocache plugin |
| 01:26.37 | Epyon | JeffM, GOOD idea xP |
| 01:26.38 | JeffM | or you changed it to always use the bin version right Erroneous ? |
| 01:26.52 | Erroneous | it always sends the bin, iirc |
| 01:27.06 | JeffM | the same bin that is used for HTTP stuff |
| 01:27.10 | JeffM | the "cacheout" file |
| 01:27.11 | JeffM | ? |
| 01:27.20 | JeffM | not the list of world objects |
| 01:27.24 | Epyon | building recoloring |
| 01:27.25 | Erroneous | just really slowly over bzfs' connection (didja get it? yeah I got it. can I have the next peice? yeah you can. can I have it now? sure, here it is) |
| 01:27.32 | trepan | Epyon: you can use 'tint' in groups, iirc |
| 01:27.34 | blast007 | JeffM: fairly sure it does |
| 01:27.49 | JeffM | blast007, that would be a recent change then |
| 01:27.50 | Epyon | duh, wrong win |
| 01:28.12 | JeffM | if it does then there is no point in doing a cachout/http plugin |
| 01:28.30 | blast007 | maybe I'm thinking wrong, but I took one of the cached maps from the client side, put it through a modified bzfs, and was able to get the map |
| 01:28.57 | trepan | JeffM: the reason for http is to take the load off the server |
| 01:29.15 | trepan | and because the bz xfer protocol acks too much, slowness.... |
| 01:29.18 | Epyon | hell, I need a beer. |
| 01:29.19 | trepan | it's the same bin |
| 01:29.31 | blast007 | yeah, even if it's on the same physical system, it's can be a lot faster |
| 01:42.38 | JeffM | trepan, so even sending the map from in the http format from the server, would be faster then the current method |
| 01:43.40 | trepan | the same bin file is always sent, but sending it via http rather than using the bzfs protocol is faster |
| 01:44.06 | trepan | or did i miss something? (a new http format been added?) |
| 01:44.11 | JeffM | nope |
| 01:44.20 | JeffM | didn't realise the cacheout file was the same |
| 01:44.27 | JeffM | I thouhgt it was compressed |
| 01:44.31 | trepan | it is |
| 01:44.44 | trepan | i added map compression for all transfers |
| 01:44.53 | JeffM | ahhh |
| 01:45.00 | trepan | many moons ago ;-) |
| 01:49.05 | DTRemenak | yeah, it's all the same stuff. cacheout was nothing new or special, just a dump of the "over-the-wire" transmission so it could be sent via a faster method |
| 01:49.44 | DTRemenak | not to imply that it wasn't a cool feature, just that the format itself was not new |
| 01:51.15 | trepan | figured it was easier then pulling them out of .bzf/cache, and made it easier to automate |
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| 02:14.13 | M1 | hi, has anyone compiled bzflag with MS visual studio 8 before? |
| 02:14.31 | DTRemenak | it's one of our supported platforms, yes |
| 02:15.13 | M1 | I compiled it, but when I ran it I have a message saying ordinal 55 not found in zlib1.dll |
| 02:15.22 | M1 | any idea about that? |
| 02:15.37 | DTRemenak | your curl wants a different zlib than you gave it |
| 02:16.03 | DTRemenak | use a libcurl.dll from one of our builds, or build your copy of curl without zlib, or get the correct zlib to go with your curl |
| 02:17.16 | M1 | where is the place for the special libcurl.dll? link? |
| 02:17.37 | DTRemenak | the one we use is shipped with the bzflag installer |
| 02:18.00 | M1 | I see |
| 02:18.08 | M1 | I will give it a try now |
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| 02:24.33 | M1 | cool. It works. |
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| 02:24.42 | M1 | Thx, DTR |
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| 02:24.50 | DTRemenak | np, happy to help |
| 02:26.25 | M1 | this libcurl.dll also needs zlibwapi.dll. |
| 02:27.05 | DTRemenak | whatever it needs should be distributed also |
| 02:27.41 | JeffM | cus I'm lazy :) |
| 02:27.53 | M1 | but the source code package does not include these dlls. |
| 02:28.00 | DTRemenak | nope |
| 02:28.15 | DTRemenak | 2.1 will ship the curl sources also |
| 02:28.16 | JeffM | source code does not include ANY dlls |
| 02:28.26 | JeffM | they are 3rd party |
| 02:28.33 | DTRemenak | yeah, we expect you to build your own dependencies |
| 02:28.35 | JeffM | we don't ship with direct X ;) |
| 02:28.39 | M1 | the curl source without zlib? |
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| 02:28.48 | DTRemenak | the curl source (period) |
| 02:28.49 | JeffM | yeah it can be built sans Zlib |
| 02:28.55 | DTRemenak | it can be built however you want it |
| 02:29.01 | JeffM | I just used the premade one that needed it |
| 02:29.04 | DTRemenak | we ship zlib too, as part of bzflag, so you could static link it |
| 02:29.06 | JeffM | so I included z lib |
| 02:29.13 | JeffM | we should static link curl too :) |
| 02:29.18 | DTRemenak | probably |
| 02:29.43 | DTRemenak | 'specially since it's in our tree now |
| 02:30.05 | JeffM | and we woudl ship it as dll anyway |
| 02:30.13 | JeffM | and odds are low that other apps in the dir will use it ;) |
| 02:30.34 | M1 | which part of the code I need to change if I want to create a bot? |
| 02:30.49 | JeffM | M1 2.0.x or 2.1? |
| 02:31.04 | Epyon | Anyone keen for a polish beer? |
| 02:31.06 | JeffM | there is no bot API for 2.0.x |
| 02:31.13 | JeffM | so you'd be writing it into the client |
| 02:31.16 | M1 | 2.0.8, I think |
| 02:31.17 | Epyon | Ooops. |
| 02:31.18 | DTRemenak | can't say I've ever had a polish beer, Epyon :) |
| 02:31.25 | JeffM | for 2.1 there is the bzrobots project |
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| 02:31.42 | JeffM | so for a 2.0.x compatable ( that's what 2.0.8 ) is, your just hacking up a client |
| 02:31.51 | JeffM | Epyon, naw |
| 02:32.14 | M1 | is 2.1 source code online now? |
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| 02:32.19 | JeffM | it's in SVN |
| 02:32.21 | DTRemenak | beer isn't generally considered offensive :) |
| 02:32.27 | JeffM | but it's not compatable with 2.0.x servers |
| 02:32.30 | M1 | cool. I will check it out |
| 02:32.37 | JeffM | I do not know what your needs are |
| 02:32.49 | purple_cow | beer isn't offensive, it's delicious |
| 02:32.50 | M1 | oh |
| 02:33.03 | JeffM | there is an ongoing project in imrpove bzrobots and use external apps as bots |
| 02:33.17 | JeffM | for 2.0.x you want to look at the RobotPlayer class and modify that |
| 02:33.30 | JeffM | but they can only join with a real player |
| 02:33.34 | Epyon | purple_cow, now you're a person who understands me xP |
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| 02:33.59 | JeffM | to make a real independent bot in 2.0.x you'd have to hack up a full client to make it run in autopilot all the time, and the mod the logic |
| 02:34.21 | Epyon | JeffM, isn't that what one of the GSoCers is doing? |
| 02:34.25 | JeffM | Epyon, yes |
| 02:34.34 | DTRemenak | daxxar is working on the bzrobots stuff, in 2.1 |
| 02:34.34 | JeffM | that is why I mentioned the "ongoing project" :) |
| 02:34.44 | Epyon | M1, you might want to ask daxxar about it. |
| 02:34.54 | JeffM | Epyon, he wants 2.0.x |
| 02:35.01 | JeffM | dax is in trunk |
| 02:35.23 | JeffM | the work would have to be replicated in the 2.0.x branch |
| 02:35.37 | JeffM | and that is NOT part of dax's project |
| 02:35.39 | Epyon | Or 2.1 made official... |
| 02:35.46 | JeffM | it ain't ready |
| 02:35.57 | JeffM | it'd be released as 2.2 anyway |
| 02:36.00 | DTRemenak | indeed |
| 02:36.19 | Epyon | JeffM, yeah, I know the standards :P |
| 02:36.23 | JeffM | it's wicked busted |
| 02:36.32 | JeffM | Epyon, that was mostly for M1's benifit :) |
| 02:37.00 | M1 | thx jeff |
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| 04:48.08 | jude- | create a material, get the node's state set, and set the material attribute |
| 04:48.27 | jude- | I think the previous material gets freed in the process |
| 04:48.32 | JeffM | sure |
| 04:48.37 | JeffM | and probably killed if noone uses it |
| 04:48.48 | JeffM | your allready going to have material ID refs from the map format |
| 04:48.54 | JeffM | so you'll have a list of materials |
| 04:48.57 | jude- | right |
| 04:49.03 | JeffM | so that's allready one per mat |
| 04:49.07 | JeffM | with no work on your end |
| 04:49.18 | JeffM | just make a node per bzflag renderable object |
| 04:49.37 | jude- | fine |
| 04:49.39 | JeffM | tho that's probably what your doing, and what I'm preventing you from doing ;) |
| 04:50.13 | jude- | I didn't understand that last sentence...what are you preventing me from doing? |
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| 04:50.24 | biggeruniverse | deleting posts is weaksauce |
| 04:50.37 | biggeruniverse | there. try and expunge that! |
| 04:51.01 | Macrosoft | biggeruniverse: whining about deleted posts is weaksauce |
| 04:51.02 | JeffM | biggeruniverse, so is not being civil, thems the rules of the fourms, if ya don't like them, your welcome to not post |
| 04:51.15 | JeffM | it's as simple as that |
| 04:51.22 | biggeruniverse | civil or no, deleting things is a bad idea |
| 04:51.28 | jude- | pffft |
| 04:51.30 | JeffM | your more then welcome to think that |
| 04:51.34 | jude- | who owns the server, now? |
| 04:51.39 | JeffM | but you don't own or run that server, so it dosn't matter |
| 04:51.54 | Macrosoft | *burn* |
| 04:51.58 | biggeruniverse | it's dangerous. that's what people rail against governments for- don't like something, make it disappear |
| 04:52.11 | JeffM | biggeruniverse, good thing this is a fourm for a game, not a country |
| 04:52.13 | jude- | biggeruniverse: since when was BZFlag a democracy? |
| 04:52.29 | biggeruniverse | I never talked about democracy |
| 04:52.29 | JeffM | yeah, noone ever said you had any say in how the public services are run |
| 04:52.57 | JeffM | again your welcome to your opinion, but the fourm will be pruned based on how it's admins run it |
| 04:53.17 | DTRemenak | Macrosoft: did you not just see JeffM saying to be civil? |
| 04:53.20 | JeffM | your welcome to your opinoon, we don't have to host your expression of it |
| 04:53.27 | DTRemenak | laughing at people who have serious concerns is NOT civil |
| 04:53.37 | biggeruniverse | whichever -ocracy it is, there's rights |
| 04:53.44 | biggeruniverse | or there ought to be |
| 04:53.55 | JeffM | ought to be, is not the same as "is" |
| 04:54.01 | JeffM | it's a private server |
| 04:54.02 | biggeruniverse | "If you don't like it, leave!" Nah nah boo boo |
| 04:54.05 | Macrosoft | no ocracies anywhere in sight |
| 04:54.08 | jude- | biggeruniverse: you're right--the admins have the *right* to monitor the content on *their* property |
| 04:54.41 | JeffM | bzbb is meant to be an informational resource, not a soap box |
| 04:54.46 | JeffM | so things WILL get deleted |
| 04:54.58 | biggeruniverse | yes, but if they do not act in a way people are ok with, they'll be the only ones enjoying "their" property |
| 04:55.13 | jude- | so be it then |
| 04:55.18 | JeffM | now as a general rule it is civil to let the person know there stuff was deleted if it's something they may not be aware of. |
| 04:55.28 | JeffM | biggeruniverse, that is the owners choice |
| 04:55.40 | JeffM | not something the user can or should impose |
| 04:55.42 | Macrosoft | biggeruniverse: evryone else seems to be fine with this |
| 04:55.53 | biggeruniverse | No one else knows what happened |
| 04:55.58 | DTRemenak | biggeruniverse: dunno if you were around at the time, but when a couple of admins were away for a bit, people started complaining about "all the crap posts that were showing up that should have been deleted" |
| 04:56.00 | JeffM | Macrosoft, no, your wrong, please don't get into something you don't understand |
| 04:56.05 | biggeruniverse | the posts disappeared before most people saw them |
| 04:56.14 | JeffM | biggeruniverse, that's the point of deleting them |
| 04:56.18 | JeffM | they don't belong |
| 04:56.24 | JeffM | bzbb is not your blog |
| 04:57.03 | biggeruniverse | Ok, so H0ley's entire tirade is ok, and then when I post "That's weaksauce" it disappears. |
| 04:57.04 | biggeruniverse | cute |
| 04:57.10 | JeffM | no, his was removed too |
| 04:57.16 | biggeruniverse | not the whole thing |
| 04:57.24 | JeffM | then show me where? |
| 04:57.29 | biggeruniverse | it started out as boasting |
| 04:57.29 | JeffM | Help, don't hinder |
| 04:57.41 | JeffM | we didnt' delete ALL your posts ether |
| 04:57.53 | biggeruniverse | hinder? deleting posts isn't exactly helping |
| 04:58.06 | JeffM | depends what the goal is |
| 04:58.16 | biggeruniverse | If you don't make examples, no one will know the boundaries |
| 04:58.29 | JeffM | there are big posts that have the rules |
| 04:58.36 | biggeruniverse | if things just disappear you can't point at them and say "This is out of bounds" |
| 04:59.23 | Macrosoft | maybe that thread should just be locked |
| 04:59.25 | JeffM | as I said, if it's something a user may not be aware of, they shoudl be notified IN PRIVATE |
| 04:59.25 | DTRemenak | sure you can...to one person |
| 04:59.37 | biggeruniverse | Why not post at the end saying, "This thread breaks these ... rules" and then lock it? |
| 04:59.38 | JeffM | well the entire thread is pointless IMHO |
| 04:59.44 | Macrosoft | ...its just bait for trouble |
| 04:59.45 | JeffM | why keep it? |
| 04:59.59 | biggeruniverse | as an EXAMPLE |
| 05:00.08 | biggeruniverse | DON'T POST THREADS LIKE THIS |
| 05:00.15 | biggeruniverse | that's why you keep it |
| 05:00.22 | JeffM | again we prefer to take care of that in private, not public |
| 05:00.32 | biggeruniverse | then how will the public knwo |
| 05:00.35 | biggeruniverse | *know |
| 05:00.43 | jude- | when the admins censor their posts? |
| 05:00.45 | JeffM | so his "inital bad post" in your mind is the first post |
| 05:00.52 | JeffM | biggeruniverse, when they read the rules, that they NEVER READ |
| 05:00.58 | DTRemenak | if we kept every bad example, we'd have more bad posts than good ones |
| 05:01.06 | JeffM | I'm all for improvement of the rules posts |
| 05:01.10 | JeffM | if you have any sugestions |
| 05:01.11 | biggeruniverse | many people learn by example, they follow leads |
| 05:01.12 | DTRemenak | people don't pay any more attention to those than they do to the CLEARLY POSTED rules |
| 05:01.43 | JeffM | again I'm trying to understand what post of holeys was kept that you say should not be? the first post in the thread? |
| 05:02.04 | biggeruniverse | yeah |
| 05:02.05 | JeffM | as I atempted to find all the ones that were personal attacks and insults and remove them |
| 05:02.15 | biggeruniverse | why? |
| 05:02.17 | JeffM | that is not a personal attack |
| 05:02.25 | JeffM | because we don't allow personal attacks on bzbb |
| 05:02.34 | JeffM | when it becomes personal, it's not what we do |
| 05:02.40 | biggeruniverse | no, why remove them? Lock the thread, say this kind of thing is against the rules |
| 05:02.57 | JeffM | biggeruniverse, because that is how I choose to do it |
| 05:02.57 | jude- | biggeruniverse: will people read it, though? |
| 05:03.06 | JeffM | it's as simple as that |
| 05:03.14 | biggeruniverse | I bet more people will read that than the rules |
| 05:03.21 | JeffM | tried it, they don't |
| 05:03.32 | jude- | seems to me that censorship and PM-ing the offending poster is way more effective, given your reaction |
| 05:03.43 | DTRemenak | biggeruniverse: so if someone attacked you, you'd rather it be left than removed? |
| 05:04.01 | biggeruniverse | Well, again, as before, you know what *I* think. You know I don't hold back my opinion. |
| 05:04.04 | biggeruniverse | DTRemenak, yes |
| 05:04.22 | DTRemenak | biggeruniverse: and if you attacked someone else, you'd rather it be left with our "dude you're an idiot, read the rules" post, than removed? |
| 05:04.29 | JeffM | I see his first post as a general boast of skills, it's not specific, it's not trash talk, and in general it's civil. It's on the edge of what I'd say the board is for, so it was left. |
| 05:04.45 | JeffM | calling people idiots and retards...that's outside of the box |
| 05:04.48 | biggeruniverse | What is an attack on a little backwater forum like bzbb going to do to my presidential campaign? :P |
| 05:05.08 | biggeruniverse | DTRemenak, yes |
| 05:05.16 | jude- | biggeruniverse: you have no idea to what lengths the media will go to find dirt :P |
| 05:05.30 | biggeruniverse | yes, and attack by some teenager on a forum is dirt |
| 05:05.32 | JeffM | but really, it has nothing to do with your preferance |
| 05:05.39 | JeffM | it's how we choose to run it |
| 05:05.40 | biggeruniverse | I'm going to cry in my milk now |
| 05:05.42 | Macrosoft | biggeruniverse: now the only place you can rule is pluto |
| 05:05.44 | DTRemenak | H0ley's post was in bad judgement, it's clear flamebait. Spazzy's response was up before I thought about removing it though, so I thought I'd leave it as it seemed pretty civil and complementary. |
| 05:06.02 | jude- | biggeruniverse: also, this chat will be public record at the end of the day |
| 05:06.12 | TylerM | ping blast007 |
| 05:06.14 | biggeruniverse | I know that |
| 05:06.21 | biggeruniverse | that's why I started this here |
| 05:06.26 | biggeruniverse | it can't be deleted ;) |
| 05:06.33 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o DTRemenak] by ChanServ |
| 05:06.36 | Macrosoft | but you can be |
| 05:06.38 | *** kick/#bzflag [Macrosoft!i=DTRemena@about/essy/CrazyCoder/DTRemenak] by DTRemenak (be civil) |
| 05:06.39 | JeffM | it can be |
| 05:06.58 | biggeruniverse | ah, so even the IRC logs can be muddled with |
| 05:07.01 | JeffM | sure |
| 05:07.03 | jude- | easily |
| 05:07.04 | JeffM | it's all data |
| 05:07.08 | biggeruniverse | but would you? |
| 05:07.13 | jude- | ask TimRiker |
| 05:07.14 | JeffM | naw |
| 05:07.16 | *** mode/#bzflag [-o DTRemenak] by DTRemenak |
| 05:07.19 | biggeruniverse | ok, that's what I thought |
| 05:07.23 | JeffM | cus it's not suposed to be an informational resource |
| 05:07.38 | DTRemenak | too much trouble, and nobody will read them anyway, even if we wanted too. besides, discussions like this can be valuable as reference material. |
| 05:07.39 | JeffM | so go and have a beer over your "victory" and let everyone else get back to there lives. |
| 05:07.52 | biggeruniverse | I don't drink |
| 05:07.58 | JeffM | then a soy milk ;) |
| 05:08.00 | jude- | s/beer/soda |
| 05:08.09 | DTRemenak | soy milk is nasty dude :) |
| 05:08.12 | biggeruniverse | soy tastes gross |
| 05:08.13 | JeffM | indeed |
| 05:08.38 | JeffM | hmmm ok, a nice tall glass of grape juice. |
| 05:09.23 | jude- | JeffM: so, flyweighting is a bad idea? |
| 05:09.31 | jude- | when it comes to nodes |
| 05:09.32 | jude- | ? |
| 05:09.51 | JeffM | jude-, in a perfect world, it's probably great. if its' going to slow you down, I'd not waste time on it right now |
| 05:10.10 | JeffM | cus as I say, the optimisation it adds will have little impact |
| 05:10.12 | brlcad | heh, aww .. missed the fun |
| 05:10.26 | jude- | either way, I have hours of refactoring to do; either removing my flyweight system or spending hours with Valgrind debugging it |
| 05:10.29 | JeffM | brlcad, there are logs ;) |
| 05:10.51 | brlcad | i know, but i didn't get to get in on the kickage fun |
| 05:10.58 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 05:11.07 | JeffM | jude-, that's your call, I was just offering my opinion on it, I havent' looked at the code, so i don't know what is best for your currrent state/workload |
| 05:11.27 | JeffM | I think he thinks he's banned |
| 05:11.38 | DTRemenak | yeah, I thought it was odd that he didn't rejoin |
| 05:12.13 | jude- | he'll be back |
| 05:12.25 | biggeruniverse | brlcad, I'm still around any time you need contentious attitude |
| 05:12.32 | biggeruniverse | you just call |
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| 05:12.42 | jude- | lol |
| 05:12.46 | JeffM | hah |
| 05:12.52 | jude- | kickage |
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| 05:12.58 | biggeruniverse | warn first :P |
| 05:13.27 | biggeruniverse | any time. ... you better not. o.< |
| 05:13.28 | brlcad | hey, you said any time |
| 05:13.41 | biggeruniverse | I *said* call! |
| 05:13.51 | biggeruniverse | :P |
| 05:14.29 | biggeruniverse | So that I could say "You can't kick me, I quit!" |
| 05:14.30 | JeffM | no you typed it |
| 05:16.39 | brlcad | i think his feelings were maybe slightly hurt |
| 05:16.50 | JeffM | he REALY wanted a soapbox |
| 05:16.56 | JeffM | and we kept pulling it out from him |
| 05:17.01 | jude- | that's what myspace is for |
| 05:17.03 | JeffM | cus well, it's our box dammit |
| 05:17.07 | JeffM | yeah he NEEDS a blog |
| 05:17.09 | brlcad | coulda taken his voice |
| 05:17.14 | brlcad | that probably would have been more apt |
| 05:17.19 | JeffM | he'll live |
| 05:17.22 | DTRemenak | he's a bit of a reactive personality anyway. generally nice, but really gets going when someone pushes the wrong buttons |
| 05:17.27 | JeffM | this isn't the first time he's gone down this road |
| 05:17.33 | JeffM | or the first time he's had his threads pulled |
| 05:18.02 | JeffM | cus yeah.. people will go read locked threads on page 2 or 3, instead of that nice ANNOUNCEMENT thread at the top of every page ;) |
| 05:18.09 | DTRemenak | brlcad: I didn't kick him, I kicked the fellow who was unnecessarily mocking him :) |
| 05:18.25 | brlcad | who has yet to rejoin |
| 05:18.25 | jude- | heh |
| 05:18.26 | brlcad | meanie |
| 05:18.36 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 05:18.42 | JeffM | for macrosoft, that isn't his first time ether |
| 05:18.46 | brlcad | nope |
| 05:18.48 | DTRemenak | nope |
| 05:18.49 | jude- | nop |
| 05:19.08 | jude- | won't be his last either, methinks |
| 05:19.44 | JeffM | he's geting rather close to his last |
| 05:19.50 | jude- | indeed |
| 05:20.44 | DTRemenak | I dunno, sometimes I think projects need someone like him just to make newbies feel good about being more polite and professional than he is |
| 05:20.58 | jude- | heh |
| 05:21.12 | jude- | there's a name for that... |
| 05:21.13 | JeffM | so he's our mikkeusa? |
| 05:21.18 | DTRemenak | but I've been told I have strange opinions about thinks like that |
| 05:21.27 | DTRemenak | mikeeusa was just a freakin' troll |
| 05:21.38 | DTRemenak | with a bow |
| 05:21.50 | JeffM | I'm still waiting for him |
| 05:21.51 | DTRemenak | who wanted us to die in a car crash and burn to death slowly |
| 05:22.25 | jude- | violent |
| 05:22.36 | brlcad | mikeusa was far worse with his female-hater attitude imho |
| 05:22.40 | DTRemenak | s/wanted/was praying for/, I believe was what he actually said |
| 05:23.13 | JeffM | the debian list was the best part about that entire thing |
| 05:23.32 | brlcad | you could say he was perma banned |
| 05:23.57 | JeffM | he was going to get us removed from debian, instead got himself banned from there lists |
| 05:23.57 | DTRemenak | jude-: heh, he complained about our "tyrannical attitude" to debian. and got banned there too. |
| 05:23.57 | jude- | rofl |
| 05:23.57 | DTRemenak | through no action of ours, I might add |
| 05:24.01 | JeffM | he also posted to there mailing lists how they shoudl not allow women to use linux |
| 05:24.04 | jude- | that's what makes the irony so perfect X) |
| 05:24.22 | jude- | heh--that'll do it |
| 05:24.34 | JeffM | all cus he was rejected by the prety girl in highschool |
| 05:25.04 | jude- | that's.....not right |
| 05:25.13 | jude- | his attitude changed so suddenly because of that? |
| 05:25.22 | JeffM | looked like that |
| 05:25.30 | JeffM | ya think ;) |
| 05:25.47 | brlcad | heh |
| 05:26.07 | brlcad | yeah, mommy didn't give him enough hugs or gave him way too many or something |
| 05:26.30 | JeffM | we need a galelry of our trools |
| 05:26.39 | JeffM | mikee, hoda, that guy who said he owned bzflag |
| 05:26.51 | jude- | don't forget bzjesus |
| 05:27.00 | DTRemenak | heh. sadly, that'd just give them what they're looking for...attention. |
| 05:27.10 | JeffM | bzjesus was just a cheater |
| 05:27.12 | JeffM | playing a role |
| 05:27.32 | JeffM | DTRemenak, true |
| 05:27.58 | jude- | there needs to be a website just for trolls |
| 05:28.10 | jude- | where they can rant and rave all they want at no consequence to the rest of the internet |
| 05:28.22 | JeffM | cheaters who make a persona that is just there to disrupt are not as funny as real people who do thier stuff the way they do buecause THAT is natural and right to them. |
| 05:28.34 | JeffM | jude-, it's called myspace and liveJournal |
| 05:28.40 | jude- | heh |
| 05:29.05 | jude- | tis true |
| 05:29.41 | jude- | myspace is the armpit of the internet |
| 05:29.49 | JeffM | who was the kid who tried to make models |
| 05:30.23 | jude- | i.e. different game models |
| 05:30.24 | jude- | ? |
| 05:30.27 | JeffM | yeah |
| 05:30.29 | JeffM | they were HORIBLE |
| 05:30.36 | jude- | dunno |
| 05:30.37 | L4m3r | heh |
| 05:30.38 | JeffM | so he got pissy and asked if we could do better |
| 05:30.42 | L4m3r | the umbrella tank? |
| 05:30.44 | JeffM | and we said "yeah" and showed him |
| 05:30.52 | jude- | oh yeah...that guy |
| 05:30.55 | JeffM | then he asked if we'd help him with his game. |
| 05:32.05 | jude- | heh--no sense of people skills |
| 05:32.12 | DTRemenak | the kids don't deserve to be pointed out like that though; they'll probably eventually grow up and realize they were being idiots. it's the *adults* who do it anyway that are so funny. |
| 05:32.23 | JeffM | heh |
| 05:33.27 | jude- | tis true |
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| 05:49.19 | jude- | SpiderPig? |
| 05:49.24 | SpiderPig | indeed |
| 05:49.38 | jude- | like from the Simpsons Movie preview? |
| 05:49.54 | jude- | lol |
| 05:51.40 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03l4m3rthanyou * r14524 10/branches/gsoc_irc/: making directory for branch |
| 05:52.27 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03l4m3rthanyou * r14525 10/branches/gsoc_irc/bzflag/: Make a separate branch so as not to obliterate mainline. |
| 05:53.12 | SpiderPig | OBLITERATE!!! |
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| 05:53.49 | brlcad | ~L4m3r++ |
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| 05:54.11 | L4m3r | What a lame first commit. I should have fixed a bug or something first. :P |
| 05:56.23 | jude- | ~L4m3r++ |
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| 05:56.24 | L4m3r | oh well, I already had a bit of code in the game |
| 05:56.24 | L4m3r | btw, from the mofo channel, courtesy of temp: http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11184346 |
| 05:59.41 | a_temp_dist | get three |
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| 06:01.45 | SpiderPig | I got 3 |
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| 06:14.29 | AAA_awright | What is the "google summer of code IRC" branch? |
| 06:15.46 | brad | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code#Chris_Wible_.28L4m3r.29 |
| 06:17.10 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03l4m3rthanyou * r14526 10/branches/gsoc_irc/bzflag/src/bzfs/ (CmdLineOptions.cxx CmdLineOptions.h): Add a command line option to BZFS for IRC configuration. |
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| 06:32.54 | Zen | d |
| 06:32.58 | AAA_awright | Kind of like Arena Controller™ on BZFx. Hmmmm... |
| 06:33.51 | Zen | anybody know how to compile bzflag on dev c++? |
| 06:34.00 | AAA_awright | I did. |
| 06:34.14 | L4m3r | oh, AAA_awright, sorry, missed that |
| 06:34.17 | Zen | Yeah, I'm getting an error that says "File format not recognized" |
| 06:34.27 | Zen | What do I do? |
| 06:34.31 | AAA_awright | The files need to be \n only |
| 06:34.39 | AAA_awright | aka Unix format |
| 06:34.45 | Zen | ? |
| 06:34.48 | L4m3r | it's my gsoc project, breaking off a branch because I don't feel like breaking the mainline/trunk |
| 06:34.49 | AAA_awright | Did you check them out from SVN? |
| 06:35.01 | L4m3r | http://l4m3r.bzflag.org/gsoc |
| 06:35.03 | AAA_awright | L4m3r: Yah, I remembered. Someone told me |
| 06:35.11 | Zen | SVN? |
| 06:35.13 | AAA_awright | a while ago |
| 06:35.23 | AAA_awright | Zen: where did you get them? |
| 06:35.35 | AAA_awright | The sources I mean |
| 06:35.35 | Zen | get what? the source code? |
| 06:35.42 | Zen | sourceforge |
| 06:36.04 | AAA_awright | Alright, let me see... Are there any other errors? |
| 06:37.13 | AAA_awright | Zen: you downloaded the "bzflag source" package, right? |
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| 06:37.20 | Zen | yeah |
| 06:37.44 | Zen | bzflag-2.0.8.zip |
| 06:37.46 | AAA_awright | Hm. That one should work. |
| 06:38.20 | Zen | what do you need to install on dev c++ prior to compiling? |
| 06:38.59 | AAA_awright | Someone dropped support for compiling from the dev-c++ interface a while ago. |
| 06:39.21 | Zen | Huh. But it's still possible, right? |
| 06:39.24 | AAA_awright | Yah |
| 06:39.32 | AAA_awright | Did you read the README.MINGW? |
| 06:39.53 | Zen | I read the README.DEVC++ |
| 06:40.02 | blast007 | I wouldn't count on devC++ working :) |
| 06:40.07 | Zen | It said to install libcurl and SDL |
| 06:40.13 | blast007 | that part doesn't get much attention |
| 06:40.25 | Zen | Although I'm not sure I installed them correctly. |
| 06:40.47 | Zen | Where do you drag the files from libcurl and/or SDL? |
| 06:40.53 | blast007 | where do you get that error? |
| 06:40.56 | brlcad | the dev c++ build is no longer maintained (or included) |
| 06:41.31 | AAA_awright | What program gave you what error? |
| 06:41.42 | Zen | It just says "File format not recognized" "Id returned 1 exit status" "[Build Error] [.../src/bzflag/bzflag.exe] Error 1" |
| 06:41.44 | AAA_awright | That should help. At least a little. |
| 06:42.12 | Zen | Dev C++, I mean. |
| 06:42.19 | blast007 | I'd recommend using Visual C++ 2005 Express Edition |
| 06:42.35 | Zen | I'll try that |
| 06:42.41 | blast007 | and the v2_0branch from SVN |
| 06:43.24 | AAA_awright | http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN |
| 06:43.25 | blast007 | is there a reason you're trying to build? trying to build a plugin? |
| 06:43.41 | AAA_awright | Just want to? (Cheat client?) |
| 06:43.51 | blast007 | heh |
| 06:43.57 | Zen | Fifth amendment. |
| 06:44.04 | AAA_awright | ... |
| 06:44.28 | blast007 | that's* |
| 06:45.04 | Zen | Just trying to learn how. |
| 06:45.12 | Zen | To compile. |
| 06:45.28 | blast007 | k |
| 06:45.37 | blast007 | it'll be easier with VC2005EE |
| 06:45.43 | blast007 | lot more to download though |
| 06:46.07 | blast007 | you'll need that, the platform SDK, the directX SDK, SDL, libcurl, GLEW, and pdcurses |
| 06:46.18 | blast007 | and make sure to follow the extra directions for the platform SDK |
| 06:46.47 | Zen | Now how do I get and install those? |
| 06:47.15 | Zen | I'm currently downloading Visual C++ 2005 |
| 06:47.38 | blast007 | they have a link for the platform SDK on the visual C++ EE page |
| 06:48.10 | blast007 | http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/visualc/usingpsdk/ |
| 06:49.11 | Zen | Okay, I'll try doing that now. |
| 06:49.27 | blast007 | DirectX SDK: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=371F6BA4-2737-46AB-B275-0DCAB31459B5&displaylang=en |
| 06:51.20 | Zen | 454.6 MB?! |
| 06:52.06 | blast007 | yup |
| 06:52.10 | Zen | I'm still on 47 MB / 91 MB for Visual C++. |
| 06:52.35 | blast007 | platform SDK is 413MB |
| 06:53.23 | Zen | Yikes |
| 06:53.33 | blast007 | :) |
| 06:53.47 | Zen | I hope my hard drive won't explode. |
| 06:54.57 | Zen | How did you compile it? |
| 06:55.13 | Zen | Are you running Windows? |
| 06:56.32 | blast007 | yeah, I run Windows |
| 06:56.40 | blast007 | I own a copy of Visual Studio 2003 |
| 06:57.58 | DTRemenak | he runs windows...and admits it! :P |
| 06:58.48 | blast007 | sure :) |
| 06:59.07 | blast007 | I'm a gamer... what other OS would I run? |
| 06:59.15 | blast007 | ;) |
| 06:59.18 | DTRemenak | heh, I know, I'm just giving you a hard time :) |
| 06:59.22 | Zen | Why do I need 454 MB for the DirectX SDK for bzflag? I thought it was OpenGl. |
| 06:59.26 | blast007 | DTRemenak: ditto |
| 06:59.42 | DTRemenak | it is opengl. we use directsound and directinput though. |
| 07:00.12 | blast007 | jude-: but why do that? :) |
| 07:00.19 | DTRemenak | jude-: wine has problems running games in wine :) |
| 07:00.28 | DTRemenak | depending on what game you want, that is |
| 07:00.29 | blast007 | wine can't even run bzedit |
| 07:00.30 | jude- | if you're running Vi$ta, you get to use more of your GPU :) |
| 07:00.41 | blast007 | jude-: I'm not, on my gaming system |
| 07:00.41 | jude- | *NOT running Vi$ta |
| 07:00.51 | blast007 | 1300 FPS in bzflag is enough for me |
| 07:00.57 | jude- | I mean for other games |
| 07:01.16 | DTRemenak | the design limitation that prevents wine from running bzedit is not going to affect most any decent game |
| 07:01.24 | blast007 | I know :) |
| 07:01.51 | Zen | Son of a biscuit! Visual C++ crashed on me. |
| 07:01.57 | blast007 | still, I can't see it running Half Life 2 for me |
| 07:02.29 | jude- | not yet, at lest |
| 07:02.31 | jude- | *least |
| 07:02.48 | DTRemenak | blast007: HL2 works decently well with recent builds of wine |
| 07:02.52 | blast007 | or FEAR, or Doom 3, or NFS Carbon, etc |
| 07:02.54 | blast007 | oh really? |
| 07:03.11 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 07:03.18 | DTRemenak | doom3 has always run very well |
| 07:03.25 | Zen | Wow, how do you people know so much about Linux 'n stuff? How many years have you been doing it? |
| 07:03.36 | jude- | 1.33 years here |
| 07:03.44 | DTRemenak | blast007: FEAR does not run at all iirc |
| 07:03.45 | jude- | hmm... |
| 07:03.47 | jude- | 1.45 |
| 07:03.54 | Zen | Since what age? |
| 07:03.57 | blast007 | Zen: whenever Mandrake 8.1 was considered "new" |
| 07:04.00 | jude- | 18 |
| 07:04.20 | Zen | Aah |
| 07:04.28 | DTRemenak | NFS: Carbon also does not run at all, it looks like |
| 07:04.30 | blast007 | hmm, so apparently since around 2001 |
| 07:04.33 | DTRemenak | so youre at 50% |
| 07:04.39 | Zen | So I still have time to learn |
| 07:04.56 | jude- | Zen: ever heard of Ubuntu? it's a good starting place |
| 07:05.01 | jude- | or PCLinuxOS? |
| 07:05.02 | blast007 | DTRemenak: NFS Carbon only gets 45FPS on my fast computer (though that's at full quality) |
| 07:05.06 | DTRemenak | Zen: 9 years here |
| 07:05.09 | Zen | I run knoppix |
| 07:05.14 | jude- | that also works :) |
| 07:05.16 | DTRemenak | and it's still not my primary system |
| 07:05.20 | Zen | Just for the game Beneath a Steel Sky |
| 07:05.32 | jude- | heh |
| 07:05.36 | Zen | Because the DVD had ScummVM |
| 07:06.01 | DTRemenak | blast007: complexity/speed is not really an issue for wine, it's not an emulator and graphics cards work the same way on windows and linux |
| 07:06.29 | jude- | right--it's merely an API compatibility layer |
| 07:06.34 | blast007 | guess I just don't see the point |
| 07:06.43 | blast007 | if I want to run Windows software, I'll use Windows |
| 07:07.00 | blast007 | 99% of what I do is on Windows |
| 07:07.03 | DTRemenak | it's mostly for people who have That One App that keeps them on windows |
| 07:07.15 | DTRemenak | WoW is a great example actually |
| 07:07.21 | blast007 | jude-: I can think of plenty :) |
| 07:07.33 | L4m3r | jude-: Office 2007 and to a lesser extent MSVS |
| 07:07.44 | L4m3r | and various media player softwares |
| 07:07.47 | Zen | Ugh. I think I'll forget about compiling BZFlag, at least with my slow connection and small hard drive. |
| 07:07.53 | jude- | I have no problem with OpenOffice and I prefer Eclipse to MSVS |
| 07:08.14 | L4m3r | OpenOrifice fills me with the urge to defecate. |
| 07:08.31 | Zen | Thanks for the help anyway. |
| 07:08.31 | jude- | and I'm not really fond of MSOffice 2007's new interface either |
| 07:08.41 | jude- | nor it's price |
| 07:08.59 | blast007 | heck, even Office 2003 > OpenOffice.org |
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| 07:11.34 | jude- | L4m3r: which media players? |
| 07:12.14 | L4m3r | playback, nothing. AFAIK there's no way to put media on my Zen in linux |
| 07:12.21 | L4m3r | or my shoqbox |
| 07:12.35 | jude- | oh, PHYSICAL media players |
| 07:12.36 | L4m3r | but granted that need is not frequent |
| 07:12.54 | jude- | I thought you meant software media players |
| 07:12.56 | L4m3r | however, it's still a reason to keep that windows partition |
| 07:13.01 | L4m3r | yeah, I realize that now ;) |
| 07:13.51 | DTRemenak | L4m3r: http://gnomad2.sourceforge.net/ and http://kzenexplorer.sourceforge.net/parser/parser.php?file=/index.ctn |
| 07:14.01 | jude- | you have one of these? http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=210&subcategory=211&product=9882&nav=2 |
| 07:15.55 | DTRemenak | L4m3r: and http://abhiyerra.wordpress.com/2007/06/17/shoqbox-on-mac-or-linux/ |
| 07:15.59 | L4m3r | jude-: no, Zen Xtra 30GB |
| 07:16.06 | DTRemenak | though that last solution is likely less than ideal |
| 07:16.26 | L4m3r | DTRemenak: actually it's fine |
| 07:16.36 | L4m3r | just dump the music and update the library |
| 07:17.01 | L4m3r | DTRemenak: it's a USB 1.1 device. Slickness is not physically possible. |
| 07:17.06 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 07:17.37 | L4m3r | I really like it, though. One of my better woots. :) |
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| 07:25.06 | jude- | off topic, but does anyone here have a nokia internet tablet? |
| 07:25.24 | jude- | Buy.com has the N770 for $139.99...is it worth it? |
| 07:25.27 | DTRemenak | JeffM just got an n770, and I believe TimRiker has an n800 |
| 07:25.57 | DTRemenak | cool little devices. dunno if they're worth it or not, I haven't seen a really compelling usage scenario. |
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| 07:26.13 | L4m3r | jeffM said he was gonna try to make it a nav system for his bike |
| 07:27.27 | jude- | heh |
| 07:27.37 | jude- | he'll need a GPS accessory |
| 07:27.41 | L4m3r | I think he got it for about the same price, on woot |
| 07:27.55 | DTRemenak | his plan was to get a little bluetooth gps thing |
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| 07:42.19 | Thonolan | hi all i have problems to play bz with my TFT (Flexscan L 685) If i turn the tanks get blurry. i used the solution 1280x1024 and I use LInux |
| 07:42.48 | Thonolan | other games like openarena or warcraft or legends works perfect |
| 07:44.00 | Thonolan | i have tried several solutions but effect is the same |
| 07:44.20 | blast007 | I've seen the same exact problem on the forum |
| 07:44.29 | Thonolan | it was jh and me |
| 07:44.32 | Thonolan | ;) |
| 07:44.35 | blast007 | k :) |
| 07:44.42 | Thonolan | :) |
| 07:45.40 | Thonolan | i wonder because i thought its a problem with the "reaction" time my has poor 22ms but jh has 5 ms and the same problem |
| 07:46.02 | Thonolan | but i know a lot of players use laps and TFT |
| 08:12.55 | Manu | Thonolan: have you tried to set bzflag resolution to your monitor max resolution? |
| 08:13.14 | Thonolan | Manu: yes |
| 08:13.22 | Manu | weird |
| 08:13.27 | Thonolan | yes :( |
| 08:13.40 | Manu | what's your graphic card? |
| 08:13.49 | Thonolan | nvidia 6600gt |
| 08:13.55 | Manu | a nice one :p |
| 08:14.01 | Thonolan | and i use a dvi cable |
| 08:14.04 | Thonolan | nhehe |
| 08:14.08 | Thonolan | ty ;) |
| 08:14.20 | Manu | and in windows mode? |
| 08:14.31 | Thonolan | oh ..wiat i ll check |
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| 08:14.47 | Manu | F1 :) |
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| 08:15.07 | Thonolan | :P |
| 08:15.12 | Thonolan | Manu: same |
| 08:15.23 | Manu | so is not the resolution :/ |
| 08:15.54 | Thonolan | well i fear its in my case the reaction time 22 ms |
| 08:16.21 | Manu | 22 ms, too bad |
| 08:16.26 | Thonolan | yes |
| 08:16.32 | Thonolan | its an old eizo |
| 08:16.57 | Thonolan | but iam scared to buy another because jh ´s has 5 ms |
| 08:16.59 | Manu | CRT? |
| 08:17.01 | Thonolan | tft |
| 08:17.18 | Thonolan | eizo flexscan L685 |
| 08:17.47 | Manu | you can try to play with the monitor frecuency |
| 08:17.50 | Thonolan | maybe its the size it is an 18,1 " |
| 08:18.22 | Thonolan | Manu: I use now dvi then its set to 50 hz |
| 08:18.30 | Manu | ah yes |
| 08:18.59 | Thonolan | Manu: you use windows ? |
| 08:19.05 | Manu | no |
| 08:19.10 | Thonolan | mac ? |
| 08:19.14 | Manu | linux |
| 08:19.18 | Thonolan | ahhhh |
| 08:19.27 | Thonolan | :D |
| 08:19.30 | Thonolan | j/k |
| 08:19.32 | Manu | :) |
| 08:20.06 | Manu | I only use virtualized windows to check cross compiled programs |
| 08:20.43 | Thonolan | do you know how i can set the sync to Vblanc ? |
| 08:20.48 | Manu | use the nvidia utils |
| 08:21.01 | Thonolan | ah ok |
| 08:21.27 | Thonolan | i didntneed to set it in xorg,conf ? |
| 08:22.07 | Manu | no, just nvidia utils |
| 08:22.12 | Thonolan | k |
| 08:22.22 | Manu | it allows you to save it in the xorg.conf file too |
| 08:22.31 | Thonolan | thank you Manu :) and was nice to talk with you |
| 08:22.40 | Thonolan | have to go now dog kick me ;) |
| 08:22.43 | Manu | same to you :) |
| 08:22.52 | Manu | your dogs again ;) |
| 08:23.24 | Thonolan | only one the lil black is dead now for 4 weeks |
| 08:23.29 | Thonolan | damn cancer |
| 08:23.33 | Manu | oh :( bad to know |
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| 08:23.55 | Thonolan | well now the one get all my love ;) |
| 08:23.57 | Thonolan | hihi |
| 08:24.07 | Manu | :) |
| 08:24.16 | Thonolan | ok have a nice day and take care |
| 08:24.28 | Manu | tschuess mein freund :) |
| 08:24.37 | Thonolan | will report you if i have success with nvidia utils |
| 08:24.41 | Thonolan | hehe |
| 08:24.45 | Manu | ok :) |
| 08:24.47 | Thonolan | danke mein Freund :) |
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| 10:16.57 | daxxar | Hey people |
| 10:19.49 | CBG | hola |
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| 11:31.02 | daxxar | Perhaps try to do some devwork, aye |
| 11:33.13 | daxxar | brlcad: You ate my semi-colon! :( |
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| 12:27.04 | daxxar | Hm |
| 12:27.51 | daxxar | I think I'll make a class ScriptLoader { virtual bool load(std::string filename); ... } and a ScriptLoaderFactory that takes an extension and returns a ScriptLoader. |
| 12:28.06 | daxxar | Then make a SharedObjectLoader :public ScriptLoader |
| 12:28.10 | daxxar | So the real fun can begin! |
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| 13:53.29 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03daxxar * r14527 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzrobots/ (13 files): |
| 13:53.29 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Added the interface ScriptLoader, which handles loading scripts. |
| 13:53.29 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Added the implementation of it, SharedObjectLoader, which loads .so's. (a placeholder currently) |
| 13:53.29 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Added the factory for looking up ScriptLoaders based on extension, ScriptLoaderFactory |
| 13:53.30 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Reindented bzrobots.cxx |
| 13:54.06 | Winny | ~daxxar++ |
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| 13:58.00 | daxxar | Hi Winny =) |
| 13:58.19 | Winny | hi |
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| 15:49.52 | zerrocool | hi i have the next problem |
| 15:50.02 | zerrocool | e |
| 15:50.49 | zerrocool | how to start a server with a .conf |
| 15:50.50 | zerrocool | ??? |
| 15:52.09 | CBG | run bzfs |
| 15:52.48 | zerrocool | ok |
| 15:52.49 | brad | http://www.willempen.org/bzflag/server/ |
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| 16:16.14 | Epyon | hmm, can someone explain me the bzf source footers? Or maybe I don't need to include them? |
| 16:16.48 | daxxar | They're to make editors understand how to indent the code according to the DEVINFO standard |
| 16:16.57 | daxxar | (editors being vi(m) and emacs, afaik) |
| 16:17.00 | Epyon | link? |
| 16:17.19 | daxxar | It's on the SVN |
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| 16:17.37 | daxxar | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code#Program_Evaluation |
| 16:18.09 | Epyon | thanks, danacat |
| 16:18.16 | Epyon | daxxar* |
| 16:19.24 | daxxar | http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag/DEVINFO |
| 16:19.30 | daxxar | (it's more updated) |
| 16:19.37 | daxxar | more recently* |
| 16:25.34 | Epyon | hmm, I still don't get it. |
| 16:25.46 | Epyon | I mean I use (unfortunately) VS2005 |
| 16:26.22 | Epyon | Soo, should I try to reformat the code to the given info, or try to find which ones I'm actually using and then place those? |
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| 16:30.06 | daxxar | You should reformat to DEVINFO. :-) |
| 16:30.19 | daxxar | You can configure MSVS to use different standards with regards to indenting |
| 16:30.38 | daxxar | And also add those footers to all files, so that other editors (vim and emacs) can figure out how to edit and display those files. |
| 16:30.42 | daxxar | :-) |
| 16:31.33 | Epyon | Yeah, but how to force MSVS. Y'know how those MS beasties are customization-resistant :/ |
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| 16:46.36 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03daxxar * r14528 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzrobots/ (6 files): |
| 16:46.36 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: ScriptLoader#instantiate() -> ScriptLoader#create(). |
| 16:46.36 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: TestRobot now needs to be compiled manually, head -2 TestRobot.cxx for instructions (Need to figure out a build-system for .so-bots eventually?). |
| 16:46.36 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: SharedObjectLoader now works properly (Compile TestRobot.cxx and ./bzrobots TestRobot.so to test it). |
| 16:46.39 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: NOTE: Relocation errors when running TestRobot.so atm, will have to look at that when I get back. |
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| 17:12.16 | JeffM | daxxar, so how hard is it to write a robot in C++ as a DLL? |
| 17:12.37 | JeffM | can I make one that just goes and finds people on my special list and sneaks up behind them and shouts "NINJA!!!"? |
| 17:13.28 | Erroneous | heh |
| 17:17.24 | TylerM | JeffM: I always thought too that the "jaws is coming" sound effect should play on the "hunted" computer.. make him all twitchy and nervous that death is coming ;) |
| 17:20.04 | JeffM | many users would find that anoying |
| 17:26.00 | quine | oh MAN |
| 17:26.06 | quine | the hunted sound is AMAZING with a subwoofer |
| 17:26.10 | quine | :o |
| 17:26.17 | quine | i was playing, and then suddenly, BOOM |
| 17:40.49 | TD-Linux | what is the tk sound effect? I haven't figured that one out yet |
| 17:41.01 | Thumper_ | donkey heehaw? |
| 17:41.17 | a_temp_dist | jackass |
| 17:44.08 | scott | a_temp_dist: do you hear that sound alot? |
| 17:44.14 | a_temp_dist | too much |
| 17:44.26 | scott | that says alot about you :0 |
| 17:44.27 | scott | :) |
| 17:44.48 | a_temp_dist | heh - and the gonzo play at the mofo FFA - rouge geno helps too :) |
| 17:45.02 | scott | gah rouge geno |
| 17:45.24 | a_temp_dist | if we didn't have that, all players would be rouge there |
| 17:45.34 | scott | take away the rouge slots |
| 17:45.45 | scott | or limit them |
| 17:46.03 | a_temp_dist | naw, just five teams is limiting enough - four would be worse |
| 17:46.14 | a_temp_dist | I want 256 team colors |
| 17:46.23 | quine | haha, the donkey heehaw was great when we had a giant FFA match, with everybody on red trying to self-cap |
| 17:46.50 | a_temp_dist | I should get our HTF server up on our mapchange server |
| 17:50.53 | quine | 256 team colors? :o |
| 17:50.58 | quine | that's kinda insane |
| 17:52.18 | scott | yay pink team |
| 17:53.12 | a_temp_dist | team cc33ff all the way! |
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| 17:57.58 | quine | haha |
| 18:04.58 | brlcad | Epyon: you should be following existing convention (which devinfo talks to quite a bit), using the same footers -- there's a script in misc/ that will add the footer for you if you have a bash interpreter |
| 18:05.49 | quine | heh, i just wrote a quick little thing to display kill:death ratio :\ |
| 18:05.53 | brlcad | there are options in msvc that can be made to match our style exactly |
| 18:11.37 | quine | hmmm |
| 18:11.37 | Epyon | hmm, I have a habbit of naming classes starting with "C" (CZone, CMap) |
| 18:11.50 | quine | i'm trying to figure out what this spacing code in scoreboardrenderer does |
| 18:11.52 | Epyon | Should I remove the C or stick to it? |
| 18:11.56 | quine | well, how it works |
| 18:12.02 | blast007 | CDOS, CDOSRun, RunDOSRun |
| 18:12.08 | Epyon | o.O |
| 18:12.17 | quine | haha |
| 18:12.19 | brlcad | Epyon: personal preference would be to remove them, and just get to the point |
| 18:12.25 | brlcad | thats the way most of the code is |
| 18:12.41 | brlcad | if there are conflicts (which are rather rare for most codes), that's what namespaces are for :) |
| 18:13.18 | brlcad | not a huge deal either way though so long as it conforms to devinfo's nit picks |
| 18:14.25 | brlcad | the point of devinfo is to be consistent, that's more important than any given personal style for long-term maintenance and readability |
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| 18:20.43 | Epyon | Umm... |
| 18:20.52 | Epyon | BZF uses spaces for indentiation? |
| 18:21.26 | quine | heh |
| 18:21.50 | quine | two space indents? |
| 18:22.03 | Epyon | Yeah, seems wierd for me -_- |
| 18:22.15 | quine | me too |
| 18:22.28 | quine | it's worse when it's three spaces |
| 18:22.34 | Epyon | Well, true, I use twospace indents in Pascal, but for python, C++ and others I always used tabs... |
| 18:22.41 | quine | not quite just a double space, not quite a 4-space tab |
| 18:24.14 | quine | write a program :\ |
| 18:24.21 | quine | replace \ts with spaces |
| 18:24.39 | quine | i mean, that's my first thought |
| 18:26.55 | quine | heh |
| 18:27.08 | quine | i was thinking of c :\ |
| 18:27.14 | quine | or you can use awk |
| 18:27.17 | quine | no wait, sed |
| 18:27.33 | Epyon | quine, lousy windows user here -_- |
| 18:28.03 | quine | don't even have cygwin? :\ |
| 18:28.30 | Epyon | I do, but never cared to learn awk or sed, once I learned perl/ruby |
| 18:29.10 | quine | haha |
| 18:30.44 | quine | but sed is so useful for quick little things |
| 18:32.18 | quine | oh right windows |
| 18:36.26 | Winny | anyone know where I can get the super paper mario score? |
| 18:36.28 | Winny | err |
| 18:36.30 | Winny | wrong channel |
| 18:36.32 | Winny | :p |
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| 18:41.45 | quine | haha |
| 18:41.46 | quine | :] |
| 18:45.55 | brlcad | Epyon: don't bother, we have scripts that will reformat automatically already |
| 18:46.13 | brlcad | emacs and vi will do it for you as well |
| 18:51.36 | brlcad | two and four char indents are by far the most common stylistic convention across open source that I've seen, inserting spaces instead of tabs until you get to a tab width .. not scientific, but is pretty darn prevalent for the popular/big packages that are active |
| 18:54.48 | brlcad | daxxar: if you create a EXTRA_PROGRAMS line in your Makefile.am, you can keep the build directives for the test robot withtout actualy building it by default |
| 18:55.05 | brlcad | of just let it compile it, but make it noinst or something |
| 19:23.54 | CBG | ~Epyon++ |
| 19:25.54 | Epyon | CBG, what for? o.O |
| 19:26.15 | CBG | for developing whatever it is you're doing... bots? |
| 19:26.20 | Epyon | Buahahah xP |
| 19:26.36 | CBG | sorry, don't remember who's doing what in GSoC, except jude = bzworkbench :) |
| 19:26.38 | Epyon | Nope, guess further :D |
| 19:26.45 | CBG | the random map maker? |
| 19:27.02 | Epyon | hint - http://chaosforge.org/files/bzfi0021.png |
| 19:27.07 | CBG | and daxxar is doing bots, L4m3r's doing the chat thing ? |
| 19:27.10 | Epyon | duh, you guessed already. |
| 19:27.11 | Epyon | Yep. |
| 19:27.17 | CBG | hehe :) |
| 19:27.55 | CBG | wow @ the sceenshot |
| 19:28.59 | CBG | I had assumed you were just working on something like the built in random map generator, like if you run bzfs with -cr (iirc) |
| 19:29.02 | CBG | that is something else entirely! :D |
| 19:29.12 | CBG | ~Epyon++ |
| 19:29.16 | Epyon | It's standalone currently. |
| 19:29.22 | CBG | ~Epyon++ |
| 19:29.36 | Epyon | It may be a plugin in the future. |
| 19:30.09 | CBG | cool |
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| 19:35.52 | Epyon | Okaaay, I know someone is going to shoot me for asking this question... |
| 19:36.05 | Epyon | How do you define global variables in C++ -_- |
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| 19:41.16 | TD-Linux | ~Epyon++ |
| 19:41.43 | donny_baker | TD-Linux: for hiding ;) |
| 19:42.09 | Epyon | lol :P |
| 19:51.24 | TD-Linux | I don't remember in C++ |
| 19:51.40 | TD-Linux | I *think* you define them like in C, but you have to say 'global' when you use them in functions ? |
| 19:53.37 | quine | wait |
| 19:54.00 | quine | you define them like you do normal vars |
| 19:54.30 | Epyon | if they are in header files it doesn't seem to work. |
| 19:54.45 | quine | hmm |
| 19:54.54 | Chestal | Epyon: what do you want to achieve? |
| 19:55.25 | Chestal | an object (variable) which can be accessed from different translation units? |
| 19:56.35 | Chestal | if you really want to have such a thing outside of namespace or class scopes, you simply chhose one translation unit where you define the variable outside of all functons etc. |
| 19:57.01 | Chestal | then you crate a corresponding header file where you declare the variable as extern and include that in all other translation units which need access |
| 19:57.10 | Chestal | same as in C |
| 20:01.29 | TD-Linux | ohh I remember the trick |
| 20:01.42 | TD-Linux | if you want to do it in the header file |
| 20:02.09 | TD-Linux | it has to be extern, but not when the header file is included with its associated *.c file when compiling |
| 20:02.40 | TD-Linux | so you define something like MYFILE_CPP in your C++ source file |
| 20:02.58 | TD-Linux | then in the header file, make that variable extern if MYFILE_CPP is not defined |
| 20:03.44 | Chestal | doesn't sound like it is really worth it :-) |
| 20:04.31 | Chestal | it#s usually better to use a static member variable anyway, or some kind of singleton implementation which might give you some control over initialization and lifetime, too |
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| 20:12.50 | AAA_awright | Hi blast007 |
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| 21:16.49 | TD-Linux | what kind of structure does BZFlag use for the bzdb? |
| 21:18.02 | Chestal | TD-Linux: it's bascically a map |
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| 21:21.35 | TD-Linux | a map... |
| 21:21.51 | TD-Linux | if I remember right, to lookup a value, you pass a string of the variable name to a function? |
| 21:22.16 | TD-Linux | how is the lookup done quickly? |
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| 21:23.22 | Chestal | TD-Linux: yes, the key is a string |
| 21:23.40 | TD-Linux | so it just searches through an array looking for that string? |
| 21:23.44 | Chestal | TD-Linux: for variables which are accessed very frequently there is a cache |
| 21:24.00 | Chestal | TD-Linux: the map is a search tree, so it's not that slow |
| 21:24.28 | Chestal | but still too slow for variables which are accessed many thousands of times for each frame, thus the cache which allows direct access |
| 21:24.28 | TD-Linux | I'll look at the source and see how it's done, I need to do something very similar for another project |
| 21:24.48 | Chestal | it could be improved, for exaemple, the cache could be automatic |
| 21:24.52 | TD-Linux | the cache is for specific variables? |
| 21:25.10 | Chestal | and some of the dependencies are not handled correctly, i.e. when you have expressions referencing other variables |
| 21:25.14 | Chestal | TD-Linux: yes |
| 21:26.16 | Chestal | you could just have a typed 'cache' object for each variable |
| 21:26.21 | TD-Linux | I looked up hash tables, but they seem to take quite a bit of memory... are they much faster than a search tree? |
| 21:26.36 | Chestal | it depends |
| 21:26.48 | TD-Linux | the problem is, I don't want the database to know about specific variables |
| 21:26.48 | Chestal | as a rule of thumb for string keys I'd say twice as fast |
| 21:27.08 | TD-Linux | it would be OK, but it would be annoying to add them all the time |
| 21:27.22 | TD-Linux | because there are a lot to add |
| 21:28.13 | Chestal | the cache only makes sense if you have lots of read access and only the occassional write |
| 21:28.49 | TD-Linux | hmm the cache sounds like a good idea |
| 21:29.09 | Chestal | actually, ocne upon a time I started to replace the manual bz cache by an automatic one |
| 21:29.15 | Chestal | but my code got lost somehow |
| 21:29.32 | TD-Linux | I don't know if some variables will be accessed that much to make a cache worthwhile in that case |
| 21:29.36 | Chestal | wasn't very much but I never felt motivated to start from scratch after that |
| 21:30.09 | Chestal | if you don't need ordering of the elements, a hash is probably better than the tree |
| 21:30.19 | TD-Linux | ok |
| 21:30.19 | Chestal | you can try tr1::unordered_map |
| 21:30.39 | TD-Linux | I'm only looking up random ones, so which would you suggest? |
| 21:30.46 | TD-Linux | (BTW, this is only in C right now :( ) |
| 21:31.56 | TD-Linux | it might be a while before I manage to convince the other developers to switch |
| 21:32.23 | Chestal | uh, don't know what to use in C, I am sure there are some libs which provide hash tables |
| 21:32.35 | TD-Linux | I'm going to go with hash tables because they seem the easiest for now |
| 21:32.38 | TD-Linux | thanks! |
| 21:32.39 | Chestal | it#s easy enoguh to write your own, but still takes some time to do a good one |
| 21:33.02 | TD-Linux | considering this project has nothing at the moment, anything will be better :) |
| 21:33.06 | TD-Linux | ~Chestal++ |
| 21:36.24 | Chestal | if you want to play with somethign not so common, implement a trie :-) |
| 21:36.54 | Chestal | has the potential to be faster than the hash |
| 21:37.13 | Chestal | also has the potential to use up lots of memory :-) |
| 21:40.40 | TD-Linux | I saw that on Wikipedia |
| 21:40.46 | TD-Linux | it looked weird, so I skipped over it :P |
| 21:41.04 | TD-Linux | oh one of _those_ |
| 21:41.17 | TD-Linux | I've seen those before in binary |
| 21:41.19 | TD-Linux | for huffman compression |
| 21:47.02 | quine | that's the one that uses the tree with the binary path and things right? :\ |
| 21:47.26 | TD-Linux | trie doesn't do it in binary |
| 21:47.29 | TD-Linux | huffman does though |
| 21:47.59 | TD-Linux | you create a tree, each spot splits at 1 and 0 |
| 21:48.17 | TD-Linux | you build the tree based on the probability of bytes |
| 21:48.21 | TD-Linux | it's usually done bytewise |
| 21:48.50 | TD-Linux | so the most common bytes only take a few bits, but less common ones can take more than 8 bits |
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| 21:52.34 | alejandro | hello |
| 21:53.25 | TD-Linux | hi |
| 21:54.01 | TD-Linux | I could use the Google hash :O |
| 22:00.45 | Erroneous | std::map is faster than most hash map implementations for n < 10000 or so |
| 22:01.49 | Erroneous | hash maps are only really valueable on huge datasets |
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| 22:44.48 | Chestal | Erroneous: my experience with the libstdc++ set and unorder_set when storing strings is that the hash is usually 2-3 times faster |
| 22:45.20 | Chestal | I haven't tried tiny amount of data < 1000, though |
| 22:48.15 | Erroneous | Chestal: the only thorough testing I did was vc's std::map vs boost::hash_map; tradeoff point was slightly over 10000 items (hundred-byte test objects) |
| 22:48.35 | Chestal | probabls depends on a lot of factors anyway |
| 22:48.38 | Erroneous | yup |
| 22:48.50 | Chestal | maybe the vc++ hash function is too complex |
| 22:49.03 | Erroneous | was using boost's hash, not vc's |
| 22:49.32 | Erroneous | precisely because I trusted boost to be using a pretty quick implementation :) |
| 22:49.38 | Chestal | ah, hmm, is that an old version of unordered_set? |
| 22:50.38 | Erroneous | could be |
| 22:51.05 | Chestal | eh, cannot find anythign in boost, have thigns which have been put into tr1 been removed or am I just blind? |
| 22:54.29 | Chestal | ah, they have a tr1 subsection |
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| 23:47.37 | spldart | Is list server kaput? |
| 23:47.57 | spldart | N/M.. It just came back |
| 23:55.18 | quine | huh |
| 23:55.28 | quine | in the screenshot function in clientcommands |
| 23:55.41 | quine | "pause to prevent dt from accumulating until done screenshotting" |
| 23:55.50 | quine | ...what is dt? |
| 23:57.18 | Erroneous | change in time |
| 23:58.00 | quine | ah. and here i thought it was an acronym |
| 23:58.11 | Erroneous | nope :) |
| 23:59.12 | quine | hehe |
| 23:59.34 | CBG | quine: can I ask how old you are? :) |
