IRC log for #bzflag on 20070708

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05:21.49*** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org || http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help || http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9453 || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 || http://my.bzflag.org/w/ || http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code#Program_Evaluation || http://sourceforge.net/awards/cca/nomination.php?group_id=3248&from=http%3A%2F%2Fsourceforge.net%2Fprojects%2Fbzflag
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05:54.05AAA_awright_Should we add a section on variable types to http://my.bzflag.org/w/Server_Variables ?
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05:54.57AAA_awright_...
05:56.29AAA_awrightExplaining colors is especially hard to do in two sentences.
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06:10.44jude-hello all
06:11.02jude-more time to code :)
08:19.59daxxarHey jude- :-)
08:25.42jude-hello daxxar :)
08:37.01ruskiehttp://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/07/06/intel_fogs_cheats/ <-- :)
08:38.56jude-just as foolish as DRM :)
08:39.14jude-who does Intel think they are, anyway?
08:39.23ruskie:)
08:40.00jude-heh--as if they don't have enough to worry about with all the Core 2 Duo problems :)
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10:04.48jude-good night
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10:30.46daxxarAh, yes, codetime.
10:49.34daxxarHm. Always when I say 'code' in here, something happens and I end up delaying it for some time.
10:49.38daxxarBut now, fo' real!
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11:45.34daxxarHmm. I realie my protocol design  makes it a hassle to manage multiple bots over one connection.
11:45.37daxxarrealize
11:46.12daxxarSo either I cut out the multiple-bots-per-bzrobots-process aspect, I redesign the protocol (nuh-uh), or I allow for multiple frontend-connections, where each manage one bot.
11:46.18daxxar:-S
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13:41.25CIA-3BZFlag: 03daxxar * r14482 10/trunk/bzflag/ (22 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
13:41.25CIA-3BZFlag: Frontend and RCLink now has getError() which gets the most recent error (if something returned false). This isn't used in all cases yet.
13:41.25CIA-3BZFlag: Static testcode in Frontend.cxx :-)
13:41.25CIA-3BZFlag: RCLink now has waitForData(), RCLinkFrontend has waitForReply().
13:41.25CIA-3BZFlag: Removed date-stamp in headerguard.
13:41.29CIA-3BZFlag: 'ack' -> 'CommandDone', and it now only sends the request name.
13:41.31CIA-3BZFlag: RCLink#getMessage(RCMessage *) is now RCMessage#asString().
13:42.05CIA-3BZFlag: 03daxxar * r14483 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/regFlag/: added svn:ignore to regFlag
13:42.52daxxarhm
13:45.22CIA-3BZFlag: 03daxxar * r14484 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzrobots/ (Frontend.cxx botplaying.cxx): Change how Frontend::run exits
13:46.19daxxarNow I can start implementing the C++ API, I think. :-)
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15:34.26CIA-3BZFlag: 03daxxar * r14485 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzrobots/ (15 files):
15:34.26CIA-3BZFlag: TestRobot - something that will be used for testing the c++ api.
15:34.26CIA-3BZFlag: RCLinkFrontend#sendAndProcess - sends a message and processes replies & events.
15:34.26CIA-3BZFlag: Indentation fixing.
15:34.26CIA-3BZFlag: BZAdvancedRobot now has defined methods.
15:34.48daxxarMeh
15:34.59daxxarI guess that's it for today, my better half is back from work.
15:35.20daxxarI'll look at getting the C++ API up and running tomorrow, then find a neat way to handle events. :-)
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16:01.03daxxarspatialguru: I dunno if you noticed, but I replied to your comment (and recently made a new blogpost)
16:01.25daxxar:-)
16:06.21spatialgurudaxxar: beauty - yeah, saw your comment a couple days ago,b ut haven't re-checked your blog
16:06.22spatialguruthx
16:13.07daxxarPleasure ;-)
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16:48.25WinnyHmm
16:48.45Winnythis is probably a longshot, but does anyone have that animation that louman made ages ago?
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17:43.57donny_bakerWinny: I don't remember any animation... but you could always pm him
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18:03.13WinnyWhen you use the /record start command, does it only record when a game is on progress? (IE: When there is a time limit)
18:03.38Winnywait, nvm, found the "replay" server article :)
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18:05.54randomparticlechistopher reeves wheelchair is at tlz:5155
18:06.12randomparticleany admins here who can deal with him?
18:11.50Birdieyo
18:12.35Birdieah catay was first
18:21.14catayyeah, i booted him , he was cheating
18:21.26randomparticleHerpes was on just after you left :)
18:21.38randomparticlethey seem to be clustering atm
18:21.52randomparticlelike worms or something
18:22.05catayI booted Lord Jesus or some of his gang also today
18:22.14catayguess they are all bored :p
18:22.59Birdiethey have such exciting life that they have to do that on a sunday:P
18:23.41CBG`booted = banned, right? ;)
18:23.49catayyup
18:24.06catayis it not correct english?
18:24.16catayor is booted more referring to kicked?
18:24.19Birdiewell if a native speaker wonders what you meaned:P
18:24.39catayanyway, match time :p
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18:30.03CBG`catay: booted would mean kick, really, I think :)
18:30.19CBG`like, if you "boot" a ball, tht would be to kick is a long way
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18:31.27randomparticleso he banned him in the style of roberto carlos
18:31.34CBG`heh ;)
18:31.38CBG`how's it, snick?
18:31.46randomparticlepretty good thanks. and you?
18:32.07CBG`good bar the demise of the cat :(
18:32.12randomparticleach
18:32.23CBG`this evening, I'm hearing meows outside my window... must be going mad :(
18:32.46CBG`she used to come in that window all the time, would meow for me to open itt
18:32.57randomparticlelazy thing :)\
18:33.17CBG`the odd thing though, is that the meows sound like a different cat that was a stray, he staed with us for a while and moved on. totally different meow to sammy R.I.P :(
18:33.22CBG`heh
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19:14.32ts_laptopHmm, mesh boxes have different texture scale on ground axis than old style boxes...odd
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20:27.22jude-hello all
20:27.29Constitutionhi jude-
20:27.31a_meteoriteyo, how's bzwb?
20:27.39Winnyhello jude-
20:28.12jude-a_meteorite: almost ready for another patch...I'm adding the 3D UI for object translation
20:28.21a_meteoritenice
20:28.30a_meteoriteis a basic GUI working yet?
20:28.33jude-reminiscent of Blender's 3D axes
20:28.47a_meteoriteheh
20:28.48jude-a_meteorite: I'm devoting my efforts to the 3D ui
20:28.57jude-the 2D UI will come once the 3D UI is functional
20:29.04jude-they'll be developed in parallel
20:29.09a_meteoritegotcha
20:29.43jude-the idea is that the UIs will be developed on an as-needed basis as I add additional objects
20:29.53jude-right now, only boxes are working
20:30.10jude-but once they're working PERFECTLY, other objects will follow quickly
20:30.37jude-(i.e. the 3D infrastructure, the event handler back-end, the Model/View communication pathways, etc. will all be in place by then)
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20:43.54ts_laptopjude-: Are you using BZFlag's rendering engine for 3D view?
20:44.27jude-ts_laptop: no, I'm using OpenSceneGraph 2.0
20:44.32ts_laptopHrm
20:45.14ts_laptopI'm seeing problems when new objects are introduced or bugs are fixed in BZFlag's renderer.
20:45.24jude-oh
20:45.25jude-?
20:45.34ts_laptopSomeone needs to maintain it.
20:46.03jude-ts_laptop: already ahead of you; I've taken pains to make sure that it's easily maintainable
20:46.26ts_laptopk :)
20:46.52jude-have a look at bzworkbench/objects/box.cpp, for example
20:47.23jude-each renderable object has a method called getRenderable(), which initializes an OSG node that represents it's data
20:47.57jude-I've created a static API in bzworkbench/model/SceneBuilder.cpp that facilitates the creation of Renderables
20:48.54jude-so even of both OSG and BZFlag's code were to change, in theory only the affected object source files and (in the case of an OSG modification) SceneBuilder.cpp would need to be modified
20:51.46jude-also, check out bzworkbench/include/objects/bz2object.h and bzworkbench/include/DataEntry.h.  If any objects are added to BZWorkbench, all you need to do is implement DataEntry's methods (i.e. for non-renderables) or bz2object's methods (i.e. for renderables)
20:52.05jude-and they're pretty straight forward :)
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20:55.19a_meteoritein the latest svn I keep getting this, any thoughts? (in src/common)
20:55.20a_meteoritemake: *** No rule to make target `bzsignal.c', needed by `bzsignal.lo'.  Stop.
20:55.53a_meteoriteI've checked the src/common/Makefile*, but they all have bzsignal.cxx, not bzsignal.c
20:56.58a_meteoritebrlcad: ping :)
20:57.46ts_laptopa_meteorite: Your dependencies seem to be wrong.
20:58.01a_meteoritewell, yes :)
20:58.06ts_laptopA fresh build may help :p
20:58.11a_meteoritemake clean ?
20:58.16ts_laptopmake distclean
20:58.19a_meteoritek
20:58.31a_meteoritemake[1]: *** No rule to make target `distclean'.  Stop.
20:58.44blast007dist-clean  ?
20:58.50a_meteoritenope
20:58.52blast007hmm
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20:59.07ts_laptopDid you do make clean already?
20:59.11a_meteoriteno
20:59.16ts_laptopHmm
20:59.33a_meteoriteI haven't done anything since it errored out on that
20:59.55ts_laptopDoes the error came after some progress or right at the start?
20:59.59blast007yeah, it should be 'distclean'
21:00.26a_meteoriteit gets to making all in common and then it errors out
21:00.44a_meteoriteoh, for make distclean you mean?
21:00.53ts_laptopyes
21:01.01a_meteoritepretty much: Making distclean in BZFlag.xcodeproj
21:01.02a_meteoritemake[1]: *** No rule to make target `distclean'.  Stop.
21:01.12ts_laptopa_meteorite: In your position I would try doing configure again, then make
21:01.16a_meteoritek
21:01.20ts_laptopperhaps also autogen
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22:23.17brlcaddaxxar: awesomeness!
22:23.35brlcadnice work on the advanced robot and other bits you got going :-)
22:23.48brlcada_meteorite: you need to clean out your build with distclean
22:24.05a_meteoritedistclean didn't work :)
22:24.18brlcadmeaning it failed part-way or something else?
22:24.18a_meteoritebut I cp'd bzsignal.cxx bzsignal.c and it built
22:24.22brlcadheh
22:24.28brlcadyou should clean out your build :)
22:24.31a_meteoriteI did
22:24.34brlcadit's the .deps dir
22:24.41a_meteorite:\
22:24.49brlcadwhich only distclean removes
22:24.55brlcad(not just 'clean')
22:25.06brlcadand then you have to reautogen.sh
22:25.11a_meteoritedistclean does not work:
22:25.11a_meteoriteMaking distclean in BZFlag.xcodeproj
22:25.11a_meteoritemake[1]: *** No rule to make target `distclean'.  Stop.
22:25.27brlcadah, that's a different problem
22:25.30brlcadso you have to do it manually
22:25.43brlcadfind . -name .deps -type d -exec rm -rf {} \;
22:26.00brlcadthen start over
22:26.09brlcadotherwise just blow the tree away and checkout the sources again
22:26.30a_meteoritewell, it's working now, so I'll just keep that command in my txt file of help :)
22:30.42brlcaddaxxar: limiting one bot per-process is probably perfectly fine (even kinda desireable in some respects, keeps it simple), otherwise the frontend way
22:31.42brlcadi'd probably pick the first if it was easier, and it relates more manageably to scripting and evolutionary programming more directly
22:33.52brlcadL4m3r: pong pogn
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22:43.45L4m3rbrlcad: ping (you're it)
22:44.42L4m3rping tag :)
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23:23.51Thumper_a_meteorite: make clean then make (in case you haven't done it already)
23:24.00a_meteoritealready have ;)
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23:31.41spatialguru<PROTECTED>
23:31.41spatialgurutrying my piddly plugin ;)
23:31.53spatialguruinstead of getting a bunch of stdout text stuff, i'm getting this
23:31.55spatialguruuread() len 31 from 127.0.0.1:52973 on 5
23:32.01spatialgurubut no error
23:32.10spatialguruany tips on what this may mean?
23:32.27spatialguru(no, I haven't done c programming tutorial yet ;) )
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23:48.57a_meteoritespatialguru: well, it's not related to your plugin :)
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