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| 00:06.07 | thefirstdude | I can still f5 my way through even with inside and outside points? |
| 00:06.50 | Winny | indeed |
| 00:07.05 | Winny | you could f5 through anything, theoretically |
| 00:08.55 | thefirstdude | I also get stuck in it |
| 00:09.04 | thefirstdude | if it isn't at least 2 thick |
| 00:09.13 | thefirstdude | I thought there was a way to fix that? |
| 00:10.10 | blast007 | you could F5 through the ocean!!! |
| 00:10.36 | thefirstdude | forget F5ing |
| 00:10.50 | thefirstdude | how to fix getting stuck in walls less than 2 |
| 00:11.12 | blast007 | obey the speed limit |
| 00:11.27 | blast007 | but actually, I'm not away of that issue |
| 00:11.34 | blast007 | is this just a 'box' ? |
| 00:11.36 | thefirstdude | I'm talking about when you go next to it side ways, and then turn |
| 00:11.42 | thefirstdude | half your tank goes into it |
| 00:11.46 | thefirstdude | it's a wall |
| 00:11.47 | blast007 | eh |
| 00:11.56 | blast007 | right, but what is the "wall" made out of? |
| 00:12.00 | thefirstdude | a mesh |
| 00:12.02 | blast007 | a 'mesh', 'mesbox', etc |
| 00:12.03 | blast007 | k |
| 00:12.09 | thefirstdude | MESH |
| 00:12.16 | thefirstdude | sry for caps |
| 00:12.19 | blast007 | ;) |
| 00:12.37 | blast007 | hmm |
| 00:12.45 | thefirstdude | anyway, how can I make so it doesn't happen |
| 00:12.55 | blast007 | I'm not sure actually |
| 00:13.00 | blast007 | not much of a mapper myself |
| 00:13.06 | thefirstdude | I hate having to make meshes at least 2 thick all the time |
| 00:13.30 | CBG | pastebin your code |
| 00:13.41 | thefirstdude | ....ok |
| 00:14.40 | AAA_awright | Winny: not in theory. If F5ing through a wall would land you inside the wall, you get put just outside the box. Same goes for death drivers (the Tuning Forks of Deathâ„¢ in Boxy War). |
| 00:15.07 | thefirstdude | http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/5346 |
| 00:15.15 | Winny | no |
| 00:15.28 | Winny | AAA_awright: you can continue F5 and go all the way thru |
| 00:16.59 | AAA_awright | You can go right through the Tuning Forks of Deathâ„¢ :E |
| 00:17.03 | thefirstdude | does extents do anything? |
| 00:17.32 | thefirstdude | looking at http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man5/bzw.5.html |
| 00:22.59 | CBG | thefirstdude: the idea is to make "inside" a point _inside_ the mesh. |
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| 00:23.42 | CBG | like: inside 0.3 0 1 |
| 00:29.03 | thefirstdude | CBG, it is inside |
| 00:29.36 | CBG | nope... |
| 00:30.02 | CBG | in the x axis, your mesh extends from 0.2551 to 0.4551. |
| 00:30.07 | thefirstdude | OH |
| 00:30.12 | CBG | so "inside 0 0 1" is not inside. |
| 00:30.26 | thefirstdude | trying it |
| 00:30.35 | CBG | my line fixed it for me. |
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| 01:24.27 | lan56 | can we please get an admin/cop on missile war? "axl rose" is a flag runner + bad mouth and two polls have failed so far |
| 01:24.50 | lan56 | people don't care about the good old american democratic model these days |
| 01:25.57 | lan56 | hmm it keeps saying "there was an error" when I try to vote |
| 01:26.02 | lan56 | most likely why the polls don't work |
| 01:26.21 | lan56 | so any admins/cops would be great to have on there now, since its the most popular server on the list right now |
| 01:28.23 | lan56 | thanks brad |
| 01:28.33 | brad | np |
| 01:28.42 | CBG | iirc, that's one of the few places I dont have perms :| |
| 01:30.12 | delusional_ | axl rose is making a serious case to be put on the global list |
| 01:30.40 | delusional_ | he shows up for the sole purpose of disrupting games |
| 01:34.42 | lan56 | best of all, though, and somewhat unusual is that he is a registered member |
| 01:35.12 | lan56 | theoretically isn't it easy then to globally ban him? |
| 01:35.27 | lan56 | but then again I am not too familiar with the way the bans work globally |
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| 01:51.42 | spatialguru | i'm continually frustrated by unsuccessful polls on missile war |
| 01:51.54 | spatialguru | even though it says it only needs, for example, 4 more votes |
| 01:52.02 | spatialguru | heh |
| 01:52.21 | spatialguru | i should make sure my kids play so they can vote too ;) |
| 02:02.09 | spatialguru | Are password changes in the forums immediately update for game play? |
| 02:10.25 | DTRemenak | yes |
| 02:12.13 | spatialguru | is it just me.. having trouble loading the forums |
| 02:13.17 | spatialguru | hmmm... i'll blame safari |
| 02:13.17 | spatialguru | actually i'll blame macbook |
| 02:13.17 | spatialguru | when I use battery, seems wifi starts to get flaky |
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| 02:25.02 | JeffM | well that movie could have been a whole lot worse |
| 02:28.05 | spatialguru_ | what'd you see? |
| 02:28.27 | JeffM | tansformers |
| 02:28.57 | spatialguru | did they keep the cool sound effects? ;) |
| 02:30.43 | JeffM | with others added in |
| 02:30.50 | JeffM | they tried hard |
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| 02:31.12 | JeffM | not how I would have done the movie, but they get points for giving it a good shot |
| 02:31.20 | JeffM | wasn't as good as Die Hard 4 |
| 02:33.51 | JeffM | but it was better then any fantastic 4 movie, or ultraviolet |
| 02:42.56 | spatialguru | fantastic 4 wasn't that great eh? haven't seen the others |
| 02:43.12 | spatialguru | didn't even know die hard 4 existed ;) |
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| 02:52.53 | CIA-3 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/GPLib/Makefile: get materials added to the makefile |
| 02:59.17 | CIA-3 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/GPLib/ (Makefile VC71/gpLib.vcproj inc/lighting.h src/lighting.cpp): start adding a lighting system |
| 03:12.32 | Constitution | what does _thiefAdShotVel do? |
| 03:14.14 | Constitution | is it related to _thiefAdLife? |
| 03:30.54 | delusional_ | makes the thief shot move faster, and they are definitely related |
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| 03:33.34 | Constitution | isn't a thief shot instantaneous? |
| 03:35.20 | delusional_ | not if you drop thiefAdLife to a ridiculously low number |
| 03:36.23 | delusional_ | you can make it bounce around like a laser if you want |
| 03:36.38 | Constitution | ah |
| 03:36.48 | delusional_ | you can also make laser short range like thief |
| 03:37.53 | Constitution | so if I just want to extend the range of thief, just modify _thiefAdLife? |
| 03:40.18 | Saber_ | what's the command i must add to my config files to get my server on the list? |
| 03:43.11 | delusional_ | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Sample_conf see the section ## List server Connection ## |
| 03:48.45 | Saber_ | I've alredy done all these things. I've alredy looked at that part of the wiki |
| 03:48.55 | Saber_ | but my server isnt on the list |
| 03:49.29 | Saber_ | im the only one to see it. the only thing i see is AB in gray. i can only join from localhost |
| 03:56.52 | delusional_ | you need to open your router at port 5154, for both UDP and TCP |
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| 04:17.54 | L4m3r | brlcad: ping |
| 04:20.59 | Saber_ | that's port forwarding, right? |
| 04:21.32 | Saber_ | because i've alredy forwarded that port for both |
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| 04:24.06 | jude- | hello all |
| 04:24.25 | blast007 | Saber_: did you set up -publicaddr, -public, and -p ? |
| 04:24.59 | Saber_ | yes |
| 04:25.14 | delusional_ | windows? |
| 04:25.21 | Saber_ | yes |
| 04:25.35 | delusional_ | gotta be the fireall issue then.. |
| 04:25.42 | Saber_ | firewall down |
| 04:25.53 | blast007 | forcefield up |
| 04:26.00 | blast007 | go to full warp |
| 04:26.16 | Saber_ | whats that? |
| 04:26.24 | blast007 | nothing, nothing |
| 04:29.30 | delusional_ | theres a way past it, but I dont know what it is. almost nobody server on windows |
| 04:30.12 | jude- | cygwin! |
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| 10:53.33 | daxxar | Mornin' |
| 10:54.35 | Deepa | obvious |
| 10:54.39 | Deepa | It's already 5pm |
| 11:02.48 | CBG | nope, 5am, Deepa |
| 11:02.59 | Deepa | 5pm! |
| 11:03.10 | Deepa | It's not oversleeping if it's 5am |
| 11:03.58 | CBG | It is if you were intending to wake at 4am. |
| 11:10.48 | daxxar | :-P |
| 11:10.55 | daxxar | I woke up at 11.30 |
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| 11:17.06 | daxxar | brlcad: Yo? |
| 11:58.59 | daxxar | Bah! |
| 11:59.10 | daxxar | I think I found the bug as I was moving to Factory |
| 11:59.17 | daxxar | Oh well, now brlcad wil be pleased atleast. ;-) |
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| 12:42.13 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03daxxar * r14470 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzrobots/ (20 files): (log message trimmed) |
| 12:42.14 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Now using Factory. |
| 12:42.14 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: GetGunHeatReq now uses GunHeatReply to send it's reply. Some grunt should |
| 12:42.14 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: hopefully go over the classes in RCReplies.h and add constructors that take |
| 12:42.14 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: parameters to initialize the struct, and change RCRequests.cxx so that it uses |
| 12:42.14 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: these constructors and link->send(SomeReply(somedata)) to reply (instead of |
| 12:42.18 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: constructing strings). |
| 12:44.07 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03daxxar * r14471 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzrobots/ (4 files): |
| 12:44.07 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Whoops, forgot this important file (the messagefactory). |
| 12:44.07 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: AdvancedRobot is empty, will be filled eventually. ;-) |
| 13:20.04 | daxxar | http://gsoc.daxxar.com/2007/07/07/pre-midterm-update/ (I guess) |
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| 14:20.04 | daxxar | Anyone with familiarity with autotools (brlcad?): how do I make it *NOT* generate AUTHORS, COPYING, INSTALL, NEWS, etc in bzrobots? |
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| 14:46.12 | brlcad | daxxar: why would it? you made a configure file for bzrobots? |
| 14:48.38 | brlcad | otherwise, if it's a directory being prepared, you cannot avoid generating them -- one of gnu's conventions they choose to impose |
| 14:48.50 | brlcad | but really, should only be created in dirs with a configure template |
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| 15:17.22 | daxxar | brlcad: I dunno, it's just there, and listed on every svn stat. ;-P |
| 15:18.42 | brlcad | so delete them |
| 15:19.05 | brlcad | sounds like you might have ran autoreconf or autogen.sh from there at some point |
| 15:19.21 | daxxar | brlcad: I haven't really changed the automake process at all, except for adding stuff to Makefile.am |
| 15:19.24 | daxxar | Ah, okay. |
| 15:20.06 | daxxar | I might've done it multiple times, then, since I removed it and it reappeared. ;-) |
| 15:20.48 | brlcad | you should only run autogen.sh from the top level dir |
| 15:20.56 | daxxar | Yep, I know |
| 15:20.59 | brlcad | is there a configure.ac file in that dir? |
| 15:21.02 | daxxar | I've made an alias to do it. ;-) |
| 15:21.12 | daxxar | Nay |
| 15:21.16 | daxxar | (So I won't do it again) |
| 15:21.20 | brlcad | an alias? |
| 15:21.27 | brlcad | does the alias set your cwd? |
| 15:22.32 | daxxar | Actually, it's a bin in ~/bin |
| 15:22.48 | daxxar | cd /home/daxxar/projects/bzflag && ./autogen.sh && ./configure --disable-client --disable-bzadmin |
| 15:23.05 | brlcad | ah, okay |
| 15:23.21 | brlcad | well that shouldn't create those files in that dir then |
| 15:24.09 | daxxar | No, so I guess it's back when I was messing with getting it to work right ;-) |
| 15:28.43 | daxxar | Do you agree with the decision of making Python the first language? |
| 15:29.38 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03daxxar * r14472 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzrobots/ (9 files): |
| 15:29.38 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: AdvancedRobot, Robot: RoboCode-specific stuff. |
| 15:29.38 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: BZAdvancedRobot, BZRobot: The cool API ;-) |
| 15:29.38 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Nothing implemented yet, only the API sketched out. (This is technically the 4th milestone) |
| 15:30.28 | daxxar | Or should I aim for the working C++ interface before I jump unto a scripting language (even basic support) |
| 15:30.33 | daxxar | (brb) |
| 15:37.14 | daxxar | (back) |
| 15:38.39 | Winny | (ok) |
| 15:38.41 | Winny | (wb) |
| 15:38.44 | daxxar | (thanks) |
| 15:39.05 | daxxar | brlcad: If amcnabb isn't around, will you be doing evaluations before 16th of july? |
| 15:40.02 | brlcad | daxxar: no, I think C++ should be the "first" language :) |
| 15:40.42 | brlcad | and then tacking on whatever languages on top of that |
| 15:40.53 | Epyon | "scripting in C++" xP |
| 15:40.55 | brlcad | and yes, I'll likely be doing your evaluation, before the 16th |
| 15:42.26 | daxxar | Strange that McNabb disappeared like that. |
| 15:42.57 | brlcad | a good test will really be to take something like that simple java bot that happens to be valid c++ too, compile it, and run it .. having a process just for that to work will be a major step forward |
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| 15:43.50 | Epyon | Is there any engine-wise reason to subdivide large faces into smaller ones in bzflag? |
| 15:44.29 | brlcad | what do you mean? |
| 15:44.30 | Epyon | Also, if two faces from separate meshes have the same z coordinate will one be able to drive from one to the other? |
| 15:44.56 | Epyon | brlcad, I mean is there any reason not to make a 400 units long face :P |
| 15:45.19 | brlcad | probably not |
| 15:45.36 | daxxar | I guess it would be faster to render one large face than 400 small? :-) |
| 15:45.48 | brlcad | if you had a ton of them, there might be some performance hit, but i can't imagine |
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| 15:46.09 | Epyon | kk. |
| 15:46.16 | brlcad | otherwise, for stuff behin the big face, you'll get the same culling |
| 15:46.19 | Epyon | What about the z-coord question? |
| 15:46.51 | brlcad | if the plane equations match up, yeah, you should be able to |
| 15:47.11 | brlcad | if one has a slope, though, potentially not |
| 15:47.52 | daxxar | I bet they do not use ==, but rather isNear |
| 15:48.16 | Epyon | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:48.18 | brlcad | iirc, there's a server setttable setting for a stepping tolerance (which is pretty tiny by default) such that you can actually "hop up a face" if it was a big enough step |
| 15:48.37 | Epyon | That would be fun to abuse xP |
| 15:48.59 | brlcad | it's a distance tolerance, if it's within, you can cross over to that face, if it's not then you stop |
| 15:49.22 | brlcad | s/face/surface/ |
| 15:50.24 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14473 10/branches/ftgl/src/bzflag/bzflag.cxx: don't need the extra initContext() here as initContext() is called about a dozen other times during startup as well as during resizes and context creation/reset |
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| 15:53.45 | Epyon | btw, any particual reasons the BZF files have .cxx extension instead of the more common cpp? |
| 15:53.48 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14474 10/branches/ftgl/src/bzflag/MainWindow.cxx: |
| 15:53.49 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: don't need to call resize() during creation or when setting the min as resize is |
| 15:53.49 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: already called elsewhere as well as part of the resizecallback. this reduces |
| 15:53.49 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: the dozen or so initContext() calls during startup to just a few. |
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| 15:54.35 | brlcad | Epyon: no particular reason, one of a half dozen conventions that are "common" depending on the community |
| 15:55.05 | Epyon | cxx actually seems to me more c-sharpish xP |
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| 15:56.04 | daxxar | cc, cxx and cpp are the commons ones, I guess |
| 15:56.16 | Epyon | cc? |
| 15:56.16 | brlcad | hm, wouldn't have thought that but then bz predates c# by about a decade so that's not exactly our fault :) |
| 15:56.35 | Epyon | This one seems to play a tone, but not for c++ |
| 15:57.30 | brlcad | C, cc, cxx, cpp, C++, c++, CC, CPP are the ones I've seen |
| 15:58.28 | brlcad | Epyon: actually, of all the formats and their heritage, cxx makes some of the most sense |
| 15:58.39 | daxxar | C? o.0 |
| 15:58.48 | daxxar | Sounds silly ;) |
| 15:59.18 | Epyon | Big C :P |
| 15:59.19 | brlcad | bz's convention more than predates my involvement, as I was "used to cpp" too from school years as that's what many places simly impose |
| 15:59.26 | brlcad | yeah, C is a throwback |
| 15:59.41 | brlcad | c for c, C for c++ |
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| 15:59.52 | brlcad | which of course doesn't work so hot cross-platform |
| 16:00.26 | brlcad | one of the biggest issues with cpp is that it's got the connotation of the c preprocessor (cpp) |
| 16:00.38 | brlcad | yet have little to do with cpp |
| 16:00.56 | daxxar | I find cxx and c++ okay |
| 16:01.02 | daxxar | I don't like uppercase extensions :/ |
| 16:01.29 | brlcad | c++ would be great except that there are a bunch of old platforms that don't like punctuation in the filename |
| 16:01.53 | brlcad | though some projects still use it, of course |
| 16:02.40 | brlcad | to each their own, it doesn't really matter so long as it works for the audience -- more important that the files are consistently named to whatever convention is in place |
| 16:03.16 | brlcad | which cxx works just fine for that in bz, functionally it causes no problems |
| 16:04.35 | brlcad | other than that is just subjective preference, familiarity, popularity, and taste |
| 16:05.02 | daxxar | :-) |
| 16:05.16 | daxxar | Btw, why does Factory write to stdout? |
| 16:05.47 | brlcad | probably debug, or was "good enough" for the original purpose |
| 16:05.52 | brlcad | feel free to refactor it |
| 16:06.22 | brlcad | maybe return a std::vector<std::string> or something if that's not already in there |
| 16:07.35 | daxxar | It's debug, I guess. |
| 16:08.26 | brlcad | that's my sense, it was just a routine added to make sure everything made it in okay |
| 16:09.06 | daxxar | Did you look at RCMessageFactory btw? |
| 16:09.14 | daxxar | I'm not sure I did everything "nicely" ;-) |
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| 16:10.05 | brlcad | not yet |
| 16:10.24 | brlcad | though I did look over what you had done earlier yesterday and had some comments |
| 16:10.34 | brlcad | but I can't remember what they were now, so oh well |
| 16:11.09 | daxxar | :o |
| 16:11.16 | daxxar | Please hand them to me if you recall what they were. |
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| 16:11.42 | brlcad | what's with the funky date-stamping your header protection? |
| 16:12.04 | daxxar | In case it shares header-guard with older code. It's just a habit =) |
| 16:12.19 | daxxar | Especially with a large code-tree like bzflag, where there might be similarly (?) named files. |
| 16:12.19 | brlcad | shares? |
| 16:12.37 | daxxar | 'tis something I picked up from some earlier project, can't recall where. |
| 16:12.50 | daxxar | It's just when I made the file, so it isn't updated. |
| 16:13.21 | brlcad | not sure i'm too keen on it, that info is elsewhere -- just raises more questions than it answers for other devs |
| 16:13.57 | daxxar | Feel free to rip it away |
| 16:14.06 | brlcad | "is that and edit date?" "do I change it?" "what if I rename the file?", etc .. all answerable, but it seems gratuitous |
| 16:14.07 | Epyon | BTW, brlcad, doxygen style comments in the code are a) neccessary, b) very welcome, c) welcome, d) ambivalent, e) discouraged, f) flamed upon |
| 16:14.17 | daxxar | I'm trying to finish some netcode before I head out to grab some beers with my gfs friends |
| 16:14.23 | brlcad | Epyon: somewhere between b and a |
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| 16:15.14 | brlcad | Epyon: actuallly somewhere between d and a depending on whom you ask .. in general they're good to have, even if it's just documenting your header's with an extra * |
| 16:16.24 | brlcad | note that we don't generally use the slash notation if you go into detail, most just keeps it simple though as a comment block |
| 16:17.21 | Epyon | I use // almost exclusively in Pascal, except for the file header :/ |
| 16:17.26 | brlcad | daxxar: ah, one thing I did notice, missing the style footer on most of your files |
| 16:18.13 | brlcad | Epyon: I mean \label vs @label syntax |
| 16:18.13 | daxxar | I try to add it, but I sometimes forget. :-) |
| 16:18.25 | daxxar | I'll make a vim-macro for it, so I won't have to copypaste it. |
| 16:21.29 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14475 10/trunk/bzflag/misc/footer.sh: import a script over from brl-cad that will add or update the emacs/vi local variables block in files |
| 16:21.45 | brlcad | daxxar: you can run that |
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| 16:23.59 | daxxar | Oh, I just wrote a one-liner.- |
| 16:24.06 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03daxxar * r14476 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzrobots/ (13 files): added footer to files |
| 16:24.07 | daxxar | Anyway, commit my netcode tomorrow. |
| 16:24.10 | daxxar | Heading out now. |
| 16:24.19 | daxxar | Catch you later. Please leave comments if you have any :-) |
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| 16:40.12 | Epyon | does BZF support textures with alpha channel? |
| 16:41.28 | JeffM | yes |
| 16:41.36 | Epyon | To waht extent? |
| 16:41.56 | JeffM | what extent is tehre other then "yes"? |
| 16:42.10 | Epyon | shadows/collision etc |
| 16:42.19 | JeffM | we don't do real shadows |
| 16:42.27 | JeffM | and collisions are geometry based |
| 16:42.30 | Epyon | kk |
| 16:42.35 | JeffM | you'd not want to do collisoons on texels |
| 16:42.35 | Epyon | Not that I cared :P |
| 16:42.37 | JeffM | that'd be wierd |
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| 16:44.37 | brlcad | yeah, even if the texture was transparent, that wouldn't mean the geometry is non-existent .. just not drawing the texture there |
| 16:45.06 | JeffM | I've never seen a system that uses surface texture for collisions |
| 16:45.11 | JeffM | that'd just be too wierd |
| 16:45.20 | JeffM | simpler to define collison geo |
| 16:45.21 | brlcad | quite |
| 16:45.34 | Epyon | Some systems use alpha for "shoot though" though. |
| 16:45.40 | Epyon | through* |
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| 16:45.44 | JeffM | who? |
| 16:46.02 | Epyon | At least I've seen that in some old game. |
| 16:46.03 | JeffM | I'd bet they do bounding geo |
| 16:46.09 | Epyon | possible. |
| 16:46.21 | JeffM | difrent cards interpolate difrently |
| 16:46.37 | JeffM | so a texel may have difrent levels of transpereancy for a specific XYZ cord |
| 16:46.40 | JeffM | on dif cards |
| 16:46.49 | JeffM | so I'd find it very odd that somone would choose to do that |
| 16:47.01 | JeffM | and that would be slow as hell |
| 16:47.22 | JeffM | you'd have to interp walk the texture for each interped face |
| 16:47.32 | JeffM | each hit face I mean |
| 16:47.36 | Epyon | :/ |
| 16:47.40 | JeffM | geo tests are a lot faster |
| 16:48.00 | JeffM | shadows you are right about tho, we could use them for that |
| 16:48.15 | Epyon | Anyway, most games assume that faces that have alpha are shootthrough anyway. |
| 16:48.18 | JeffM | but the bzflag lighting/shadowing system is bad/sad |
| 16:48.36 | JeffM | yeah, it makes sense to make an alpha face passable |
| 16:48.36 | Epyon | Well, there isn't a single map that would benefit from it :P |
| 16:48.38 | JeffM | and we can do that |
| 16:48.50 | JeffM | you can flag faces as passable |
| 16:49.06 | JeffM | but it's on a per face basis, not a texel alpha |
| 16:49.11 | Epyon | Is there any known playable BZFlag map that hasn't got that "abstract" look? |
| 16:49.27 | JeffM | hidden valley |
| 16:49.31 | Epyon | link? |
| 16:49.36 | JeffM | one of loumans |
| 16:49.42 | JeffM | it was a forest |
| 16:49.45 | Epyon | or at least where to search for it. |
| 16:49.48 | JeffM | fourms |
| 16:49.56 | JeffM | also his ocean one was very playable |
| 16:50.00 | JeffM | IIRC |
| 16:52.41 | Epyon | To bad there are no screenshots :? |
| 16:54.36 | donny_baker | Epyon: bzflag2.norang.ca:4404 |
| 16:56.13 | Epyon | this one is EXTREMELY abstract, donny_baker :P |
| 17:00.31 | Epyon | ah, didn't notice the different port number |
| 17:00.57 | brlcad | the normandy beach one was fairly non-abstract |
| 17:00.58 | Epyon | Yeah, that one looks nice, except for the slopes, but I guess that can't be helped. Anyone know how the rain was done? |
| 17:01.21 | brlcad | Epyon: there's a server parameter for atmospherics |
| 17:01.23 | brlcad | server setting |
| 17:01.40 | Epyon | cool, what atmospherics are available? |
| 17:01.46 | brlcad | rain, snow, frogs |
| 17:01.55 | Epyon | frogs -_ |
| 17:01.58 | Epyon | o.O |
| 17:02.01 | Epyon | O.o |
| 17:02.08 | brlcad | they even make little red splats |
| 17:02.27 | Epyon | Okay, that solves the mystery of why there is a frog image in the BZFlag dir. |
| 17:02.31 | brlcad | JeffM worked on rain pre 2.0 |
| 17:02.31 | Epyon | -_- |
| 17:02.47 | brlcad | he had some fun with it |
| 17:02.55 | tannerld | eheh |
| 17:03.06 | Epyon | The rain looks really cool, tho. |
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| 17:05.39 | JeffM | trepan helped make it fast and not suck |
| 17:05.49 | JeffM | I only did the rain cus I was being an ass |
| 17:08.08 | Winny | the rain is evil |
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| 17:09.27 | Epyon | J-Rock music increases my LOC/h output by 20%. Try to explain that -_- |
| 17:10.13 | Epyon | You gotta love useless statistics xP |
| 17:10.27 | tannerld | LOC/h? |
| 17:10.49 | Epyon | Lines of Code per hour |
| 17:11.01 | tannerld | heh |
| 17:11.09 | tannerld | how'd you figure that> |
| 17:11.24 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14479 10/branches/ftgl/src/3D/FontManager.cxx: |
| 17:11.24 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: fix the font manager so it doesn't get all crash-happy when rebuilding fonts -- |
| 17:11.24 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: there was still a bug in map iterator even in reverse where the next iterator is |
| 17:11.24 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: not guaranteed. have to get the next one manually before clearing/erasing. |
| 17:11.24 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Also, be sure to enable GL_TEXTURE_2D before we draw our texture so that it |
| 17:11.27 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: actually draws. |
| 17:11.38 | Epyon | last.fm xml files + wc :P |
| 17:12.03 | tannerld | wc? |
| 17:12.30 | Epyon | $ wc |
| 17:12.31 | Epyon | :P |
| 17:12.48 | brlcad | ~wc |
| 17:12.49 | ibot | it has been said that wc is a POSIX program to count words, lines and characters. In Debian GNU/Linux, the wc program is part of the GNU textutils. |
| 17:13.00 | tannerld | ah |
| 17:15.16 | JeffM | Epyon, you can actualy load any image file for rain if you want with a fake texture |
| 17:15.34 | JeffM | just define a material with said image, it'll download then set your bzdb var to use that local file name |
| 17:16.01 | JeffM | my pesonal fav is bubbles when they go UP |
| 17:16.31 | Epyon | JeffM, with a little tweaking that could lead to a "underwater" setting :P |
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| 17:20.24 | JeffM | yeah you can set the sky |
| 17:20.30 | JeffM | and the fog color |
| 17:20.36 | JeffM | set gravity realy low |
| 17:20.41 | CIA-3 | opencombat: 03brlcad * 10GPx01/GPLib/src/fonts.cpp: fix the iteration bug, even in reverse it can invalidate causing the ++ next pointer to be bogus. so manually capture the next one as needed. |
| 17:21.05 | JeffM | use airspawn to pop em out floating ;) |
| 17:25.31 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14480 10/branches/ftgl/src/3D/FontManager.cxx: fix the remaining fonts that weren't being rendered -- enable GL_TEXTURE_2D before rendering the font (always). remove stale comments about reverse iteration |
| 17:27.46 | CIA-3 | opencombat: 03brlcad * 10GPx01/Makefile.osx: dir is GPLib |
| 17:30.26 | JeffM | oh yeah I moved the dirs around :) |
| 17:31.43 | CIA-3 | opencombat: 03brlcad * 10GPx01/GPLib/Makefile: ftgl fonts are in the src dir, with no subdirs any more |
| 17:31.49 | JeffM | tho I guess it should be libGP not libGPLib |
| 17:34.01 | CIA-3 | opencombat: 03brlcad * 10GPx01/GPLib/Makefile: oop, missed a dir for the include files too |
| 17:37.37 | CIA-3 | opencombat: 03brlcad * 10GPx01/GPLib/src/fonts.cpp: i should try compiling before commiting more often, the map is diff in gp |
| 17:38.57 | JeffM | brlcad, or just redo the makefile system ;) |
| 17:39.04 | brlcad | :) |
| 17:39.06 | tannerld | lol |
| 17:39.39 | brlcad | where are the textures drawn? |
| 17:40.05 | JeffM | for what? |
| 17:40.13 | JeffM | like bound? |
| 17:40.17 | brlcad | nvm, found it ;) |
| 17:41.02 | JeffM | cus texture binding is changing a bit now that there is a material system, but for font manager it shoudn't change |
| 17:41.23 | brlcad | fonts are fine -- it's all the rest that I've yet to see |
| 17:42.19 | brlcad | probably the png issue though |
| 17:42.22 | JeffM | then what did you mean by "drawn"? |
| 17:42.31 | JeffM | yeah the png loader on OSX crashes |
| 17:42.38 | JeffM | and you were unable to get devil to build |
| 17:42.50 | JeffM | how hard is it to use OSX to read in images? |
| 17:43.03 | JeffM | cus its not hard to install an apple specific image loader |
| 17:43.27 | JeffM | I can fame it out for you if you want |
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| 17:45.48 | brlcad | http://opencombat.net/tmp/gp_osx.png |
| 17:46.17 | JeffM | yeah it's not loading any images |
| 17:46.25 | JeffM | how hard is it to use OSX to read a png? |
| 17:46.30 | JeffM | instead of libpng? |
| 17:46.42 | brlcad | shouldn't be too hard, even libpng isn't too hard |
| 17:47.16 | brlcad | iirc, there was a custom png loader? |
| 17:47.21 | JeffM | no |
| 17:47.28 | JeffM | there is _USE_DEVIL |
| 17:47.37 | JeffM | the else case for that uses libpng |
| 17:47.39 | JeffM | but it dosn't work |
| 17:47.52 | JeffM | OSX should be using the else case, so it's doing libpng |
| 17:48.05 | brlcad | so then sounds like something is amiss in that else case |
| 17:48.18 | JeffM | I can add an apple case and you can make it use core image :) |
| 17:48.19 | brlcad | where's that at? |
| 17:48.26 | JeffM | textures.cpp |
| 17:48.30 | JeffM | at the bottom |
| 17:48.38 | JeffM | the PNGImageLoader class |
| 17:49.20 | brlcad | gotit |
| 17:49.27 | JeffM | would core image support more then just png tho? |
| 17:49.42 | brlcad | hm, i suppose it would |
| 17:49.47 | brlcad | but you'd want more than png? |
| 17:49.56 | brlcad | you'd need something similar on windows |
| 17:50.18 | JeffM | devil is used on windows |
| 17:50.21 | JeffM | and it reads em all |
| 17:50.37 | brlcad | hm |
| 17:52.02 | JeffM | I can commit a stub for an apple image loader right now if you want |
| 17:52.09 | JeffM | you'd just have to fill in the read and write functions |
| 17:52.17 | brlcad | already there |
| 17:52.21 | JeffM | ok |
| 17:52.34 | JeffM | you find the 3 places to add the class? |
| 17:52.57 | brlcad | I was just replacing the PNG with a CI :) |
| 17:53.09 | JeffM | oh |
| 17:53.27 | JeffM | ok |
| 17:53.36 | JeffM | just rename it like CoreImageLoader or something |
| 17:53.42 | JeffM | I may pull the one from BZ for nix |
| 17:53.51 | JeffM | tho maybe I'll use STLImage |
| 17:53.54 | JeffM | that'd be simpler |
| 17:53.57 | brlcad | nix should be able to use devil |
| 17:54.03 | JeffM | hopefully |
| 17:54.24 | brlcad | i could probably make devil work, but i just remember it being a bit of a dependency and compilation pain |
| 17:54.26 | JeffM | I'll leave that up to the first nix dev :) |
| 17:54.47 | JeffM | yeah I only used devil cus it's cake to setup on windows |
| 17:54.52 | brlcad | yeah, either way png wouldn't be sufficient once/if you add more than png images |
| 17:55.01 | JeffM | prebult libs with static links of all the image libs are great :) |
| 17:58.52 | brlcad | what's ilutGLScreen() do? |
| 17:59.12 | brlcad | loads the GL screen into some il buffer? |
| 17:59.16 | JeffM | yeah |
| 17:59.19 | brlcad | k |
| 17:59.26 | JeffM | so it can be saved |
| 18:04.57 | JeffM | time to go get me car smoged :) |
| 18:15.25 | brlcad | JeffM: do you mind if I write code that is 10.3-only? |
| 18:15.30 | brlcad | er, 10.3+ |
| 18:16.15 | brlcad | also, core image isn't necessarily gonna be used -- that's more an opengl filtering library, image loading is done lower level |
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| 20:29.33 | JeffM | brlcad, screw 10.2 |
| 20:29.54 | JeffM | heck you can even screw 10.3 for all I care :) |
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| 20:56.07 | brlcad | JeffM: aaight :) |
| 20:56.18 | brlcad | almost done but gonna run out for a while |
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