| 00:00.39 | CBG | ~delusional++ |
| 00:01.10 | delusional | what'd I do? |
| 00:01.30 | CBG | the tut :) |
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| 00:01.41 | blast007 | King Tut |
| 00:02.24 | jude- | what tut? |
| 00:02.55 | CBG | you'll see soon enough if you check the bzbb often :) |
| 00:03.16 | CBG | maybe in a week or so, when delusional/I announce it |
| 00:03.33 | delusional | well.. as long as I', here, let me say that I'm extremely impressed with the amount and clarity of the commenting I've seen in the BZWB code. |
| 00:03.33 | delusional | I'm attempting to make a LOD tute |
| 00:04.09 | delusional | .. also.. the ability to load textures directly from the web in bzwb, would be extremely nice. |
| 00:04.49 | jude- | delusional: thanks :) |
| 00:05.18 | jude- | delusional: I'll do what I can, but I can guarantee that you can load images from the FS |
| 00:05.40 | jude- | I'm not sure how platform-specific retreiving info across the 'net will be |
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| 00:06.10 | delusional | I figured it would be a rough |
| 00:06.40 | jude- | if the mechanisms are pretty platform-agnostic, or there's a cool cross-platform lib I can use, it'll be likely that that feature will get implemented |
| 00:07.11 | jude- | otherwise, if I have to write my own image-retrieval framework, it may take a while to get that working |
| 00:07.28 | jude- | or, I could just snarf BZFS's code :) |
| 00:08.19 | a_meteorite | jude-: you could use curl to get stuff from the net.. that's not very platform specific :) |
| 00:08.31 | a_meteorite | plus bz uses curl, so it would have the same restrictions |
| 00:10.01 | jude- | kk |
| 00:10.28 | a_meteorite | curl makes it easy |
| 00:10.34 | jude- | excellent :) |
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| 00:42.26 | jude- | anyone here use zones in maps? |
| 00:45.02 | jude- | ...or can anyone here tell me whether or not zoneflag and and flag are repeatable? |
| 00:45.23 | tannerld | probably not in the same zone |
| 00:45.33 | tannerld | but its used like "flag WG N OO" |
| 00:45.42 | jude- | ahh |
| 00:46.03 | jude- | will "flag good" cause all good flags to appear? |
| 00:46.17 | jude- | or do I need to specify them? |
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| 00:46.54 | tannerld | I don't think you need specifying |
| 00:46.58 | tannerld | good should work for all good flags |
| 00:47.00 | tannerld | yeah |
| 00:47.09 | jude- | same effect for "bad"? |
| 00:47.26 | jude- | also, how do "safety" and "zoneflag" work? |
| 00:47.51 | tannerld | saftey - if a team flag is dropped on a inclined obj (pyramid), it will fly to this zone |
| 00:48.13 | tannerld | zoneflag requires this flag to be there and I beleive it requires a number (ex: OO,2) |
| 00:48.37 | tannerld | yeah - needs the number |
| 00:48.55 | jude- | I see |
| 00:48.57 | jude- | thank you! |
| 00:49.01 | tannerld | no problemo |
| 00:49.03 | jude- | ~tannerld++ |
| 00:49.15 | jude- | ~CBG++ |
| 00:49.21 | jude- | ~a_meteorite++ |
| 00:49.24 | Winny | ~karma CBG |
| 00:49.25 | ibot | cbg has karma of -439 |
| 00:49.25 | tannerld | hehe; thanks |
| 00:49.25 | jude- | ~trepan++ |
| 00:49.27 | Winny | :p |
| 00:49.32 | tannerld | lol |
| 00:49.34 | jude- | ~Winny++ |
| 00:49.36 | tannerld | ~jude++ |
| 00:49.38 | tannerld | ~jude-++ |
| 00:49.41 | Winny | no, what did i ever do? |
| 00:49.50 | tannerld | ~jude- |
| 00:50.04 | tannerld | ~karma jude- |
| 00:50.04 | ibot | jude- has karma of 26 |
| 00:50.04 | jude- | you've been helping me understand how map elements work |
| 00:50.04 | Winny | yeah right |
| 00:50.13 | a_meteorite | ~karma me |
| 00:50.13 | ibot | me has karma of 3 |
| 00:50.25 | a_meteorite | ~karma |
| 00:50.25 | ibot | a_meteorite has karma of 36 |
| 00:50.29 | tannerld | lol |
| 00:50.56 | Winny | ~karma Winny |
| 00:50.57 | ibot | winny has karma of 7 |
| 00:51.00 | Winny | woot |
| 00:51.03 | tannerld | ~karma tannerld |
| 00:51.03 | ibot | tannerld has karma of 10 |
| 00:51.32 | jude- | ~JeffM++ |
| 00:51.46 | jude- | ~delusional++ |
| 00:51.55 | jude- | ~blast007++ |
| 00:52.29 | Winny | ~BZWiki++ |
| 00:52.30 | Winny | :p |
| 00:52.36 | tannerld | blast? |
| 00:52.37 | jude- | lol |
| 00:52.50 | jude- | he has before |
| 00:52.58 | jude- | ~bzw(5)++ |
| 00:53.14 | tannerld | lol |
| 00:53.39 | JeffM | ~karma JeffM |
| 00:53.39 | ibot | jeffm has karma of 1 |
| 00:53.45 | jude- | O.o |
| 00:53.46 | JeffM | whoot! |
| 00:53.56 | tannerld | ~karma JeffM2501 |
| 00:53.56 | ibot | jeffm2501 has karma of 370 |
| 00:53.58 | Winny | I think 2501 stole hi karma :p |
| 00:55.00 | JeffM | most of i t was from pat |
| 00:56.39 | jude- | can I have more than one flag in zoneflag? |
| 00:57.17 | jude- | or multiple zonflag definitions? |
| 00:58.19 | Winny | zoneflag BU, SB, CL *I think* |
| 00:58.20 | a_meteorite | you can have multiple zoneflag |
| 00:58.30 | jude- | sweet |
| 00:58.57 | a_meteorite | and you don't use commas |
| 00:59.01 | a_meteorite | zoneflag G 1 |
| 00:59.01 | a_meteorite | zoneflag O 10 |
| 00:59.02 | jude- | so, I can have "zoneflag BU SB" and "zoneflag CL" in the same object, for example? |
| 00:59.20 | a_meteorite | not afaik, it must be zoneflag <flag> <num> |
| 00:59.26 | a_meteorite | and more flags is more zoneflag declarations |
| 01:00.21 | a_meteorite | I think I lost ya jude- :) |
| 01:00.31 | jude- | I"m not sure how to interpret that last statement |
| 01:00.36 | jude- | :) |
| 01:00.50 | a_meteorite | ok, so let's say you want 5 genos and 20 OO |
| 01:00.58 | jude- | kk |
| 01:01.00 | a_meteorite | zone |
| 01:01.01 | a_meteorite | ... |
| 01:01.04 | a_meteorite | zoneflag G 5 |
| 01:01.07 | a_meteorite | zoneflag OO 20 |
| 01:01.08 | a_meteorite | end |
| 01:01.18 | jude- | could I also do this: |
| 01:01.20 | jude- | zone |
| 01:01.21 | jude- | .. |
| 01:01.25 | jude- | zoneflag G 5 OO 20 |
| 01:01.26 | jude- | end |
| 01:01.26 | jude- | ? |
| 01:01.34 | a_meteorite | I never tried it, but I imagine not.. |
| 01:01.42 | jude- | kk |
| 01:02.13 | delusional | what I think he wants is the difference between "flag" and "zoneflag" |
| 01:02.19 | jude- | well, that too :) |
| 01:02.24 | JeffM | each command generaly knows how many params it takes |
| 01:02.37 | JeffM | so it's best to do it on seperate lines |
| 01:02.40 | delusional | flag means that all available flags of that type will be placed in the zone |
| 01:02.59 | jude- | kk |
| 01:03.07 | jude- | I think I got it... |
| 01:03.11 | delusional | zoneflag means at least x amount of that flag will always be in the zone |
| 01:03.12 | jude- | thanks guys! |
| 01:03.19 | a_meteorite | zoneflag means you don't need to do +f, it allocates that many flags for that zone and will respawn them when dropped |
| 01:03.29 | jude- | ahh |
| 01:03.31 | jude- | that makes sense |
| 01:03.46 | Winny | damn, I just said that outloud |
| 01:03.48 | a_meteorite | flag just drops whatever amount of flags it can and doesn't care about the respawning part |
| 01:03.53 | delusional | even if flags are carried away from a zoneflag area, there will still be x in the zone |
| 01:03.59 | a_meteorite | delusional: no |
| 01:04.05 | delusional | no? |
| 01:04.14 | a_meteorite | nope, test it out at boxy war - the center is zoneflag |
| 01:04.23 | a_meteorite | carry an OO out, and none will respawn till you drop it |
| 01:05.04 | delusional | and zoneflag ignores maxFlagGrabs? |
| 01:05.23 | a_meteorite | I'm quite sure it respects it... haven't tested that |
| 01:05.34 | jude- | maxFlagGrabs? |
| 01:05.49 | blast007 | bzdb setting that specifies how many times a flag can be picked up before it is reset |
| 01:05.51 | a_meteorite | jude-: bzdb variable that says how many times a flag can be picked up before respawning in a new location or it's zone |
| 01:05.59 | jude- | ahh |
| 01:06.25 | a_meteorite | you type too fast blast007 :) |
| 01:06.32 | blast007 | yeah :P |
| 01:06.36 | jude- | lol |
| 01:06.38 | a_meteorite | well, I did type more as well :P |
| 01:06.59 | Winny | no he just typs lik dis so he cn fit mre pr sentene |
| 01:07.09 | a_meteorite | lol |
| 01:07.25 | jude- | if u cn rd ths u cn gt a jb prgming |
| 01:07.33 | delusional | zoneflag was added for louman's "king of the hill" plugin, he needed a something |
| 01:07.36 | Winny | woohoo! |
| 01:07.43 | Winny | thanks for the info, jude- |
| 01:07.44 | a_meteorite | delusional: erm, zoneflag was in way before that... |
| 01:07.46 | Winny | ~jude-++ |
| 01:07.53 | jude- | lol |
| 01:08.42 | a_meteorite | jude-: grrr |
| 01:08.59 | a_meteorite | my mom, years ago, used to be a keyboardist. typed 140 WPM, iirc |
| 01:09.12 | jude- | what can I say? I've been programming for years, and I have muscular fingers from playing tuba for years... |
| 01:09.22 | jude- | and piano before that |
| 01:09.44 | Winny | you played the tuba? welcome to the bass club :D |
| 01:10.06 | jude- | Winny: what instrument? |
| 01:10.17 | Winny | Baritone |
| 01:10.22 | jude- | yay! |
| 01:10.37 | jude- | I started brass on that |
| 01:10.38 | Winny | /valved trombone, whatever I feel like that day :p |
| 01:10.43 | jude- | then moved to tuba |
| 01:11.32 | delusional | oh.. I was thinking of flagstay |
| 01:11.42 | Winny | http://bzfusion.net/blender/trumbumpet/render3.jpg :p |
| 01:11.55 | Gnurdux | valved trombone? |
| 01:12.05 | Gnurdux | isnt that an oxymoron |
| 01:12.08 | Winny | nope |
| 01:12.15 | Gnurdux | oh the picture |
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| 01:12.21 | Gnurdux | valves AND a slide |
| 01:12.26 | Gnurdux | whoa |
| 01:12.27 | Winny | no, just valves |
| 01:12.33 | Winny | well, a tuning slide |
| 01:12.36 | jude- | cool |
| 01:12.43 | Gnurdux | hows it different than a euphonium then? |
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| 01:12.52 | Gnurdux | other than being less curled up |
| 01:12.58 | Gnurdux | and less conical |
| 01:13.02 | jude- | Gnurdux: same fingerings, different sound |
| 01:13.05 | Winny | quiter, sounds more tinny |
| 01:13.12 | jude- | not as "dark" |
| 01:13.20 | Gnurdux | so it has a smaller bell, and is less conical |
| 01:13.23 | jude- | doens't carry as well |
| 01:13.24 | Gnurdux | and thats about it |
| 01:13.32 | jude- | pretty much |
| 01:13.34 | Winny | ranges are closer, but lets stop talking about it, since this is the #bzflag channel :p |
| 01:13.44 | Gnurdux | what key is it in"? |
| 01:13.58 | Winny | Oh gosh |
| 01:13.59 | blast007 | Gnurdux: the Windows key |
| 01:14.06 | Gnurdux | i thought trombone, euphonium where all in b-flat |
| 01:14.13 | jude- | mostly |
| 01:14.18 | jude- | professional ones can be in C |
| 01:14.22 | jude- | or E-flat |
| 01:14.27 | jude- | or F |
| 01:14.35 | Gnurdux | never heard of ones in F |
| 01:14.39 | jude- | they exist |
| 01:14.43 | Gnurdux | and i thought it was just tubas in e-flat |
| 01:14.45 | jude- | they're pretty small and rare |
| 01:14.55 | Gnurdux | there a lot of C trumpets |
| 01:14.56 | jude- | Gnurdux: no, they can be in B-flat, C, F, and E-flat |
| 01:15.03 | jude- | most student tubas are B-flat |
| 01:15.04 | jude- | or C |
| 01:15.14 | Gnurdux | no, i meant that only tubas were commonly in e-flat |
| 01:15.17 | Macrosoft | i thought trumpets were Bflat |
| 01:15.22 | Gnurdux | trumpets are b-flat |
| 01:15.25 | Gnurdux | for the most part |
| 01:15.33 | Gnurdux | in orchestras some people play C trumpet |
| 01:15.56 | Gnurdux | and piccolo trumpets can sort of switch between b-flat and i think e-flat, with a fourth valve |
| 01:16.02 | jude- | a B-flat tuba is a tuba that has the B-flat overtone series |
| 01:16.04 | jude- | iirc |
| 01:16.11 | Gnurdux | right |
| 01:16.18 | jude- | that's most student tubas |
| 01:16.20 | Gnurdux | all bass-clef is written in C |
| 01:16.35 | jude- | ??? |
| 01:16.36 | Gnurdux | but i can't read bass clef so its moot for me |
| 01:16.49 | Gnurdux | they always right bass-clef instruments in concert pitch |
| 01:16.52 | Macrosoft | treble clef owns bass clef!! |
| 01:16.54 | jude- | yes |
| 01:17.00 | jude- | (to Gnurdux) |
| 01:17.21 | Gnurdux | so baritone players play b-flat which is the same note AND fingering that i call C |
| 01:17.26 | jude- | right |
| 01:17.30 | Winny | indeed |
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| 01:17.43 | jude- | baritones and tubas are pitched in B-flat but read C music |
| 01:18.03 | Gnurdux | who made the valved trombone rendering? |
| 01:18.05 | Macrosoft | and when i play a C, thats the bassoon players Bflat |
| 01:18.18 | jude- | Macrosoft: yes |
| 01:18.36 | Gnurdux | right |
| 01:18.46 | Gnurdux | bassoons are concert |
| 01:19.02 | Gnurdux | tradition' |
| 01:19.16 | Gnurdux | tradition is probably also why b-flat trumpets are more popular than C ones |
| 01:19.17 | Winny | Gnurdux, me |
| 01:19.28 | Macrosoft | tradition sucks, efficiensy is better |
| 01:19.30 | jude- | probably |
| 01:19.44 | Gnurdux | tradition does suck, but it also controls our lives |
| 01:19.47 | jude- | Macrosoft: careful, that can lead to dangerous conclusions |
| 01:19.57 | Gnurdux | jude-, such as? |
| 01:20.07 | Macrosoft | tradition doesnt control mine |
| 01:20.12 | Macrosoft | im already dead |
| 01:20.17 | jude- | i.e. "it's more efficient to enslave all of America's lower-class to force them into sweat shop labor to produce low-cost goods for middle and upper |
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| 01:20.28 | jude- | America and keep mercantalism strong" |
| 01:20.37 | Gnurdux | ah, yes, efficiency idsnt necessarily good either |
| 01:21.04 | Macrosoft | unless its an apartment, that makes it cheaper |
| 01:21.10 | Gnurdux | how about, intelligence and ethics? |
| 01:21.19 | jude- | or, "let's get rid of the tradition of birthdays, Christmas, and all holidays--too inefficient to travel so much" |
| 01:21.20 | Gnurdux | (secular ethics) |
| 01:21.26 | Macrosoft | what about destruction and chaos |
| 01:21.51 | Gnurdux | Macrosoft, thats what games like bz are for |
| 01:22.02 | jude- | indeed--violent games are the opiate of the masses |
| 01:22.09 | jude- | like TV |
| 01:22.16 | jude- | only more so |
| 01:22.18 | Gnurdux | now your comparing FPSs to religion :P |
| 01:22.25 | jude- | lol |
| 01:22.27 | Gnurdux | which is pretty awesome |
| 01:22.33 | jude- | I see *someone* has read Karl Marx's works |
| 01:22.40 | Gnurdux | i havent read marx |
| 01:22.44 | Gnurdux | i jsut know that quote |
| 01:22.48 | Gnurdux | i thought everyone did |
| 01:22.52 | jude- | then you've read one of his works |
| 01:22.54 | jude- | just a short one :) |
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| 01:22.58 | Gnurdux | my sister says marx is a shitty writer though |
| 01:23.03 | a_meteorite | erm |
| 01:23.04 | Gnurdux | nope, i haven't |
| 01:23.05 | jude- | everyone *should* know that one |
| 01:23.07 | JeffM | Gnurdux, language plesae |
| 01:23.13 | Gnurdux | ah sry |
| 01:23.22 | Macrosoft | *burn* |
| 01:23.28 | Gnurdux | a lot of philosophical types can't write i think |
| 01:23.37 | jude- | this is true |
| 01:23.43 | Gnurdux | same with linguists |
| 01:23.49 | jude- | it makes as much sense read backwards as it does forewards |
| 01:23.50 | Macrosoft | they should try telepathy |
| 01:23.58 | Winny | ok, going to watch some TV |
| 01:24.15 | jude- | same with sociologists |
| 01:24.18 | Gnurdux | jude-, semitic languages are written backwards |
| 01:24.31 | Macrosoft | what about sociopaths |
| 01:24.37 | jude- | but no language can be read backwards AND forwardds |
| 01:24.41 | Macrosoft | or psychopaths |
| 01:24.50 | Gnurdux | jude-, ah but we are making a crucial mistake |
| 01:25.01 | jude- | which would be ... ? |
| 01:25.10 | jude- | palindromes? |
| 01:25.11 | Gnurdux | assuming the language and writing system are the same |
| 01:25.33 | jude- | when are they realistically not so? |
| 01:25.42 | jude- | assuming a culture has both? |
| 01:25.57 | Gnurdux | i bet there are languages with a traditional writing and something like the roman alphabet |
| 01:26.21 | Gnurdux | japanese has 4 writing systems, but i think there all left-to-right |
| 01:26.58 | Gnurdux | japanese has chinese characters, 2 syllabaries, and the roman alphabet |
| 01:26.59 | jude- | but can you think of a language that reads both forwards and backwards simultaneously? (i.e. you can read a book forwards or backwards and get the same meaning)? |
| 01:27.15 | jude- | Gnurdux--not really...Japanese broke off from Chinese in the 600s |
| 01:27.20 | jude- | similar, but not identical |
| 01:27.29 | Gnurdux | jude-, you mean the writing |
| 01:27.34 | jude- | yues |
| 01:27.35 | Gnurdux | the languages were never the same |
| 01:27.35 | jude- | *yes |
| 01:27.39 | Gnurdux | jude-, hmmm |
| 01:27.43 | Gnurdux | a mirror language |
| 01:27.50 | jude- | does one exist? |
| 01:27.51 | Gnurdux | would be impratical |
| 01:27.55 | jude- | how so? |
| 01:28.00 | Gnurdux | you'd have to write twice as much, for no reason |
| 01:28.12 | Gnurdux | because you would need to put each character on either side |
| 01:28.23 | jude- | not a mirror language, but a language that reads both directions? |
| 01:28.35 | jude- | screw mirroring characters--that *is* wasteful |
| 01:28.38 | Gnurdux | well.... |
| 01:28.49 | Gnurdux | there are languages with very free word order |
| 01:28.56 | jude- | even better: *can* one exist? |
| 01:29.01 | jude- | without mirroring? |
| 01:29.04 | a_meteorite | sure, why not? |
| 01:29.06 | Gnurdux | jude-, logically, probably not |
| 01:29.15 | Gnurdux | i can't think of a way how |
| 01:29.20 | a_meteorite | create letters that can mean two things |
| 01:29.24 | jude- | me neither |
| 01:29.33 | a_meteorite | wait |
| 01:29.36 | a_meteorite | that wouldn't work >_< |
| 01:29.37 | Gnurdux | a_meteorite, but how do you guarantee its the same forwards and backwards |
| 01:29.50 | Gnurdux | who needs logic tho |
| 01:30.14 | Gnurdux | jude-, it depends how you define language' |
| 01:30.21 | jude- | written language |
| 01:30.29 | Gnurdux | write |
| 01:30.30 | jude- | glyphs, characters, symbols, etc |
| 01:30.33 | Gnurdux | right |
| 01:30.38 | Gnurdux | but weve shown it can |
| 01:30.40 | Gnurdux | mirrroring |
| 01:30.47 | jude- | (assuming without mirroring) |
| 01:30.52 | a_meteorite | besides mirroring |
| 01:30.55 | Gnurdux | mirroringgnorrorrim |
| 01:31.08 | jude- | no palindromic constructs either |
| 01:31.08 | Gnurdux | well by definition its mirrored |
| 01:31.09 | a_meteorite | lol, that'd suck to read |
| 01:31.37 | Gnurdux | google the word elgoog |
| 01:32.02 | jude- | lol! |
| 01:32.05 | jude- | that's awesome! |
| 01:32.11 | Gnurdux | http://elgoog.rb-hosting.de/index.cgi |
| 01:32.34 | jude- | the google mirror! |
| 01:33.18 | Gnurdux | oh crap you have to write backwards too |
| 01:33.45 | jude- | yup |
| 01:33.58 | Gnurdux | also check out gazoogle |
| 01:34.24 | jude- | lol |
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| 01:37.01 | jude- | check this out: http://ubergeek.tv/article.php?pid=54 |
| 01:37.58 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 01:38.57 | jude- | that'd be a good TV ad |
| 01:39.13 | Gnurdux | 'xams tomorrow |
| 01:39.16 | Gnurdux | cyall |
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| 02:06.55 | eTangenT | yo jude |
| 02:06.56 | eTangenT | :D |
| 02:07.56 | Daveman | Hello eTangenT :P |
| 02:08.37 | eTangenT | yo Daveman |
| 02:08.43 | eTangenT | what brings you to these parts? :P |
| 02:08.47 | Daveman | What sort of miscreant activities have you been engaged in recently? |
| 02:09.13 | eTangenT | work + eating pizza |
| 02:10.31 | Daveman | So, the usual? :P |
| 02:10.44 | eTangenT | nah, usually it's work + eating hamburgers |
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| 02:12.15 | Daveman | oh, what a change |
| 02:20.08 | Macrosoft | ... |
| 02:23.16 | eTangenT | ~lart Daveman |
| 02:23.17 | ibot | pours hot grits down the front of Daveman's pants |
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| 02:24.12 | Daveman | What the fuck? |
| 02:24.29 | Daveman | britbot? |
| 02:24.40 | WinnyAFK | language, please, Daveman. |
| 02:26.08 | Daveman | I'll tell you about language! |
| 02:26.28 | blast007 | but really, try to moderate yourself :P |
| 02:26.32 | eTangenT | WinnyAFK: English, please. |
| 02:26.33 | eTangenT | :P |
| 02:26.36 | Daveman | Agreed! |
| 02:26.58 | blast007 | ~lart Daveman |
| 02:26.58 | ibot | cuts Daveman into thin stripes |
| 02:27.05 | Daveman | haha everytime I see that nick I could swear it says Whiny |
| 02:27.12 | blast007 | try to high-five now ;D |
| 02:27.16 | Daveman | okay |
| 02:27.29 | WinnyAFK | heh |
| 02:27.33 | JeffM | be ncie |
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| 02:29.07 | eTangenT | wait |
| 02:29.10 | WinnyAFK | Good, I don't to talk to you, woot. |
| 02:29.12 | eTangenT | cuts him into stripes? |
| 02:29.12 | WinnyAFK | ;) |
| 02:29.15 | eTangenT | that doesn't make sense. |
| 02:33.05 | Daveman | eTangenT, I have one guess whose bot it is... :P~ |
| 02:33.20 | WinnyAFK | when dinosaurs roamed the earth, delusional? |
| 02:33.22 | Daveman | explains a lot |
| 02:33.50 | delusional | there werent many highfives |
| 02:43.53 | Macrosoft | ... |
| 02:48.18 | WinnyAFK | Macrosoft, patience when learning blender :p |
| 02:48.51 | Macrosoft | 30 chapters |
| 02:49.27 | Macrosoft | and thats only part of it |
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| 02:51.40 | Macrosoft | "chapter 1... introduction to blender" |
| 02:51.49 | Macrosoft | *sigh* |
| 02:52.00 | WinnyAFK | :P |
| 02:52.17 | WinnyAFK | I have the blender 2.3 manual here, only looked at it a few times |
| 02:52.52 | Macrosoft | i have the 2.32 manual |
| 02:52.55 | a_meteorite | bah, who needs manulas? |
| 02:52.58 | a_meteorite | *manuals |
| 02:53.13 | WinnyAFK | dunno |
| 02:53.19 | Macrosoft | me, this app is hard to learn |
| 02:53.29 | WinnyAFK | I never really use them, this interwebz is much faster |
| 02:53.45 | Macrosoft | thats where it came from |
| 02:54.28 | Macrosoft | "a foul rotting pit filled with too much information to use" |
| 02:54.28 | a_meteorite | WinnyAFK: ahh, you downloaded the interwebz and got the manual THAT way |
| 02:54.28 | WinnyAFK | indeed |
| 02:54.39 | WinnyAFK | the interwebz are all on my USB stick |
| 02:54.46 | WinnyAFK | "I can has interwebz?" |
| 02:55.01 | Macrosoft | that must be a hefty flashdrive |
| 02:55.12 | a_meteorite | it's only a petabyte |
| 02:55.40 | WinnyAFK | ...and its from 1960! :p |
| 02:56.44 | a_meteorite | so, that's like, what? a couple trillion? and only the size of a block? |
| 02:56.57 | Macrosoft | no, it would have to be a yottabyte to hold the web |
| 02:57.05 | a_meteorite | Macrosoft: not true |
| 02:57.27 | Macrosoft | yottabyte= 2^80 |
| 02:57.58 | Macrosoft | or... 1024^8 |
| 02:58.04 | a_meteorite | actually, more than a petabyte, but not a yottabyte.. |
| 02:58.08 | a_meteorite | http://www.archive.org/about/faqs.php#9 |
| 02:58.25 | a_meteorite | Internet Archive contains 2 petabytes, but mind you, they also archive every revision of a page. |
| 02:59.02 | a_meteorite | So... if you just want the current stuff, I'd say less than a petabyte would do. |
| 02:59.36 | Macrosoft | but you need room to grow in, the internet grows |
| 02:59.55 | Macrosoft | just go ahead and get the biggest |
| 02:59.55 | a_meteorite | The Internet Archive grows at about 20TB/month. |
| 03:00.00 | a_meteorite | Not too bad. |
| 03:00.06 | tannerld | yobibyte |
| 03:00.18 | WinnyAFK | oh boy.. look at this http://web.archive.org/web/20010331063432/http://bzflag.org/ :p |
| 03:00.58 | Macrosoft | tannerld:thats right, thanks |
| 03:01.58 | Macrosoft | WinnyAFK: wow, that looks like a coll game, we should try it :) |
| 03:02.08 | Macrosoft | *cool |
| 03:02.25 | WinnyAFK | hehe |
| 03:02.55 | Macrosoft | look at the texture of that tank in that picture |
| 03:03.10 | Macrosoft | it looks like it is covered with grass |
| 03:03.38 | WinnyAFK | website sure has changed |
| 03:03.55 | tannerld | WinnyAFK: the beginning of my webdesign "career": http://web.archive.org/web/20041203090525/http://www.tsaviation.net/ |
| 03:03.56 | Macrosoft | for the better |
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| 03:04.32 | Macrosoft | nice use of frames |
| 03:04.52 | WinnyAFK | hmm, that reminds me, me and strayer never worked on the bzflag.org redesign anymore |
| 03:05.16 | tannerld | and then gen2: http://web.archive.org/web/20050303173817/http://www.tsaviation.net/ |
| 03:06.08 | Macrosoft | you should check out http://c-75-65-81-245.hsd1.la.comcast.net:8001/Home |
| 03:06.27 | Macrosoft | go ahead |
| 03:06.30 | Macrosoft | look |
| 03:06.42 | Macrosoft | what do you think |
| 03:06.43 | Macrosoft | ? |
| 03:06.57 | Macrosoft | (sucks, huh) |
| 03:07.46 | WinnyAFK | indeed ;) |
| 03:08.01 | Macrosoft | yeah, its still a work-in-progress |
| 03:08.19 | Macrosoft | but i did put the most important link on there |
| 03:08.52 | tannerld | but ye forgot the target="new" and the domain name :P |
| 03:09.34 | Macrosoft | ?... the link works |
| 03:09.53 | Macrosoft | and it doesnt need to open a new window |
| 03:11.28 | Macrosoft | it may be a little slow, too |
| 03:12.01 | Macrosoft | i put a 256KB/sec bandwith limit on it |
| 03:12.10 | WinnyAFK | have a fun evening, everyone. |
| 03:13.54 | Macrosoft | well, back to reading the blender manual |
| 03:22.52 | eTangenT | Daveman: boo! |
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| 03:51.05 | Daveman | :D |
| 03:58.11 | eTangenT | so yeah |
| 03:58.27 | eTangenT | at the bowling alley I work at, in the office, 3 employees were shot to death 5 years ago |
| 03:58.30 | eTangenT | :< |
| 03:58.42 | eTangenT | the news only said it seemed random |
| 03:58.56 | eTangenT | going off of what the last remaining employees from that time have told me, it was not so random |
| 03:59.26 | eTangenT | the one girl who was there was involved with drugs somehow. the other girls who she lived with fled the country a week after the shooting. |
| 03:59.46 | eTangenT | oh yeah, and they didn't lock the doors when they were closed. |
| 03:59.56 | eTangenT | the safe was robbed a week before the shooting. |
| 04:01.27 | tannerld | fun |
| 04:01.46 | eTangenT | yeap |
| 04:01.52 | eTangenT | other than that, the place has a clean record. |
| 04:02.03 | eTangenT | it just has the misfortune of being along the 0 bus route. |
| 04:02.23 | eTangenT | notorious for the excessive amount of drunks. |
| 04:02.39 | eTangenT | (the bus that runs past, not the bowling alley, though we get our share of drunks there, too) |
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| 04:02.47 | tannerld | heh |
| 04:03.05 | eTangenT | some guys forgot to pay for there bowling today |
| 04:03.09 | eTangenT | but they were drunk as heck |
| 04:03.19 | eTangenT | so we got their license plate and called LPD |
| 04:03.21 | eTangenT | :D |
| 04:03.23 | eTangenT | win! |
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| 04:13.22 | jude- | hello al |
| 04:13.26 | jude- | *all |
| 04:15.32 | eTangenT | yo jude- |
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| 04:17.39 | jude- | there we go |
| 04:20.01 | jude- | hang on... |
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| 04:20.54 | jude- | anyone here using Beryl with Debian? |
| 04:21.26 | jude- | if so, have you experienced any problems with it recently? |
| 04:23.04 | eTangenT | well then, code a fix for it then :P |
| 04:23.51 | jude- | heh. like I would know where to begin :) |
| 04:25.10 | eTangenT | k |
| 04:25.14 | eTangenT | this pizza is yucky now |
| 04:25.26 | eTangenT | remind me to remind my parents never to buy the Sicilian style again |
| 04:26.28 | jude- | hmmm....Google tells me it's caused by a libc upgrade... |
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| 05:09.58 | jude- | back |
| 05:26.16 | jude- | tupone: strange things happened when I upgraded it |
| 05:26.31 | jude- | beryl no longer works |
| 05:26.44 | jude- | no windows show up |
| 05:27.14 | jude- | mouse-over works (i.e. the mouse cursor changes when it passes over, say, textfields) |
| 05:27.17 | jude- | but nothing shows up |
| 05:28.06 | tupone | well, I think is a good way to not allow a downgrade of libc, with apt. I think you can downgrade it with more low level tools |
| 05:28.34 | jude- | well, it lets me, but it removes the entire system in the process :) |
| 05:29.03 | tupone | with dpkg ? |
| 05:29.19 | jude- | I get a float point exception when I try it with dpkg |
| 05:31.18 | tupone | and with a rescue system? |
| 05:31.29 | jude- | as in, a livecd? |
| 05:31.33 | tupone | yep |
| 05:31.36 | jude- | haven't tried that yet |
| 05:31.50 | jude- | brb |
| 05:31.51 | tupone | doing a chroot, may help |
| 05:31.57 | jude- | how? |
| 05:32.12 | tupone | what distro you are on? ubuntu? |
| 05:32.15 | jude- | debian |
| 05:32.43 | jude- | how will a chroot help? |
| 05:32.45 | tupone | well, I'm used to do it in gentoo. |
| 05:32.53 | jude- | I'm familiar with gentoo |
| 05:33.32 | tupone | well, you use knoppix, or gentoo, mount your volume, do a chroot on your disk and try dpkg |
| 05:33.45 | jude- | that's what I was going to do :) |
| 05:33.55 | jude- | I thought you meant using a chroot on my running system |
| 05:34.01 | jude- | without the livecd |
| 05:34.35 | tupone | but, are you sure you only replaced glibc? |
| 05:34.52 | jude- | no, I did a relatively massive upgrade |
| 05:35.06 | jude- | libc was one of the pacakges |
| 05:35.27 | jude- | I'm not sure how many of those other packages depend on this particular libc6 |
| 05:35.28 | tupone | ahh, so you don't know what is really causing problem :/ |
| 05:35.39 | jude- | it's what I've read online |
| 05:36.43 | tupone | is that the unstable? or testing? (in the last case I will not upgrade my server :) ) |
| 05:36.48 | jude- | testing |
| 05:36.55 | jude- | it ran perfectly on etch |
| 05:36.57 | jude- | but not lenny |
| 05:37.50 | jude- | I think what happened is recently a bunch of packages from unstable were migrated to testing |
| 05:37.52 | tupone | well, If is really glibc, I'd try to substitute the file and see |
| 05:38.13 | tupone | is ugly :/ |
| 05:40.09 | jude- | here's the thread: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=76077&sid=afaf9a865497ea8e63aea79c02a9f53c |
| 05:41.50 | jude- | and another: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=76598&sid=8b93af6789536e64318125915290a37e |
| 05:43.07 | jude- | hmmm....a solution might have been found... |
| 05:44.24 | jude- | brb (restarting X...) |
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| 05:47.01 | jude- | yay! it works again! |
| 05:47.09 | jude- | it was libxrandr2 |
| 05:47.11 | jude- | not libc |
| 05:47.17 | blast007 | did you have to stand on your head and chant? |
| 05:47.21 | blast007 | aww |
| 05:47.25 | jude- | no, I just had to ask the computer nicely |
| 05:47.35 | blast007 | yeah, that sometimes works too |
| 05:47.45 | jude- | that, and promise it my first-born child :P |
| 05:48.42 | blast007 | I'd be half as productive, because I'd be busy watching all the cool effects |
| 05:50.04 | jude- | a.k.a. "the cube" |
| 05:50.23 | blast007 | the cube will rule all |
| 05:50.28 | blast007 | long live the cube |
| 05:50.33 | jude- | ~cube++ |
| 05:50.42 | blast007 | ~karma cube |
| 05:50.42 | ibot | cube has karma of 1 |
| 05:50.45 | ruskie | lol |
| 05:50.54 | ruskie | I'd be unproductive with beryl... |
| 05:51.00 | blast007 | ruskie: yeah |
| 05:51.09 | ruskie | simply because I'd be wating more time for it to switch desktops than acctualyl be working |
| 05:51.30 | jude- | my video card is fast enough that it takes the same time with or without the cube |
| 05:51.38 | blast007 | that's how I am on Vista... I just sit there and stare at the sidebar objects, particularly the one that tells me how much RAM it's hogging up |
| 05:51.48 | jude- | lol |
| 05:51.52 | ruskie | jude-, lol |
| 05:51.57 | ruskie | you use gnome? |
| 05:52.01 | blast007 | "Oh gee, seems 25% of my 1GB of RAM is being used... for the DESKTOP" |
| 05:52.02 | jude- | every time I move the mouse in Vista, the CPU meter jumps 30% |
| 05:52.11 | jude- | ruskie: no, KDE |
| 05:52.14 | ruskie | same thing |
| 05:52.22 | ruskie | no wonder you don't notice any difference |
| 05:52.23 | blast007 | hah... |
| 05:52.31 | jude- | I hope you're kidding when you say that... |
| 05:52.33 | ruskie | both are slow... |
| 05:52.47 | jude- | they're not slow with my machine |
| 05:53.16 | blast007 | yeah, I suppose my C2D would handle beryl nicely |
| 05:53.24 | jude- | quite |
| 05:54.48 | jude- | ruskie: the window refresh takes the same amount of time for the cube to rotate in XFCE even |
| 05:55.06 | ruskie | that's a few seconds? |
| 05:55.16 | jude- | a few milliseconds, tops |
| 05:56.01 | ruskie | so basicaly there is no cube rotation to see |
| 05:56.04 | jude- | it's there, but you have to look for it |
| 05:56.51 | ruskie | well as long as beryl will need the crap composite stuff to run they cane stuff it where the sun don't shine |
| 05:57.13 | jude- | why? |
| 05:57.22 | jude- | compositing speeds up the window refershes |
| 05:57.28 | jude- | *refreshes |
| 05:57.33 | ruskie | lol |
| 05:57.35 | ruskie | sure it does |
| 05:58.10 | ruskie | only thing I noticed it does so far is slow down everything and crap out on some other stuff like 2d acceleration |
| 05:58.30 | jude- | what's your machine like? |
| 05:58.50 | ruskie | xp1900+, 768mb, r9250(running on r200) |
| 05:59.00 | jude- | I see |
| 05:59.06 | jude- | how much video RAM? |
| 05:59.12 | ruskie | 64 or 128 |
| 05:59.16 | ruskie | not really sure anymore |
| 05:59.43 | jude- | I can see why you don't like it--GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap isn't supported at the hardware level with r200, IIRC |
| 05:59.48 | jude- | so it has to be done in software |
| 05:59.57 | jude- | which is slooooowwwwww |
| 06:02.02 | ruskie | any way to verify that |
| 06:02.28 | jude- | glxinfo |
| 06:02.45 | ruskie | lists it under server glx extensions |
| 06:02.45 | jude- | it might support it, but IIRC it's not very good on ATI cards |
| 06:03.14 | jude- | if it's even there at all |
| 06:03.21 | jude- | but what do I know? I use NVIDIA |
| 06:03.33 | ruskie | I don't use non-Free stuff :) |
| 06:03.51 | jude- | I have no qualms against it if there isn't a Free equivelant |
| 06:04.08 | ruskie | I simply don't use such things then |
| 06:04.23 | jude- | unfortunately, I *need* it for my GSoC project |
| 06:04.48 | purple_cow | ruskie: pshaw |
| 06:04.49 | ruskie | and considering I don't need state-of-the-art GPU to play bzflag or planeshift or a few years ago(hl2 under wine) |
| 06:04.49 | purple_cow | your BIOS isn't open |
| 06:04.53 | purple_cow | nor is your CPU microcode |
| 06:05.10 | purple_cow | or any of the firmware on many of the components of the machine, or the hardware itself |
| 06:05.31 | jude- | ruskie: without NVIDIA's drivers, I can't run my project |
| 06:05.37 | jude- | 'cause I'll need to use MESA |
| 06:05.43 | jude- | which is slloooowwwwwwww |
| 06:05.53 | ruskie | mesa provides the 3d accelerated drivers as well |
| 06:06.02 | jude- | no |
| 06:06.04 | ruskie | yes |
| 06:06.06 | jude- | not for my card |
| 06:06.37 | jude- | I'd be forced to run it all at the software level |
| 06:06.45 | jude- | which I'm not willing to do |
| 06:06.59 | jude- | I'll switch to Nouveau once it's useable enough |
| 06:07.03 | ruskie | purple_cow, refering to software level not the firmware/hardware level |
| 06:07.24 | jude- | CPU microcode, theoretically, is software |
| 06:07.25 | purple_cow | that's a mighty blurry line |
| 06:07.47 | ruskie | but yeah I'm looking at linuxbios to replace the bios when it'll have support |
| 06:08.02 | jude- | ruskie: I'm in the same position with my video card |
| 06:08.09 | ruskie | it's a concious choice I made |
| 06:08.22 | ruskie | I'll switch to an opengraphics card when they are available |
| 06:08.36 | jude- | I don't even have that option--I'm using a laptop |
| 06:08.48 | ruskie | and whatever other open hardware they might produce |
| 06:09.04 | ruskie | anyway got an exam in two hours and need to do some stuff... |
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| 09:16.40 | USS_Enterprise | Hey all |
| 09:16.51 | USS_Enterprise | its been a while since I've played, it seems... :) |
| 09:17.07 | USS_Enterprise | For those of you who actually DO remember me... hi! |
| 09:17.36 | USS_Enterprise | School finally lets out on tuesday (wow, its 5 in the morning, I guess thats tomorrow), so I'll have plenty of time to waste in front of the computer playing games |
| 09:19.44 | USS_Enterprise | I think I'm going to start making maps again, too, but this'll mean I'll have to completely relearn physics and everything u.u |
| 09:20.02 | L4m3r | good news for that part :) |
| 09:20.23 | L4m3r | there's a new map editor in the works- check bzbb |
| 09:23.40 | USS_Enterprise | When is it expected to be out (I don't see anything about a new map editor being mentioned on the bzbb page) |
| 09:23.54 | USS_Enterprise | then again, I'm quite.. uh.. tired? its 5:23 in the morning :) |
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| 09:24.28 | L4m3r | by the end of the summer. it's jude-'s GSoC project. :) |
| 09:24.39 | USS_Enterprise | heh, cool |
| 09:24.55 | USS_Enterprise | GSoC? |
| 09:27.29 | L4m3r | google summer of code |
| 09:27.53 | quantumdot | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code#Program_Evaluation <-- |
| 09:28.07 | L4m3r | also a new wiki at http://my.bzflag.org/w/ |
| 09:29.51 | USS_Enterprise | Wow, I really have been gone for a while xD |
| 09:31.19 | USS_Enterprise | L4m3r, you aswell seem to be doing a project |
| 09:31.23 | USS_Enterprise | and thats a very interesting idea |
| 09:31.30 | L4m3r | mmhm |
| 09:31.43 | USS_Enterprise | I have to say, I would have never thought of that despite my frustrations with the inability to communicate to another person |
| 09:31.49 | L4m3r | the idea isn't mine :) |
| 09:32.38 | L4m3r | but yes, hopefully it will prove handy |
| 09:32.46 | USS_Enterprise | Heh, but good luck implementing that |
| 09:32.56 | USS_Enterprise | thats going to be a PITA :p |
| 09:33.00 | L4m3r | and will likely result in some positive changes to the list server |
| 09:33.29 | L4m3r | there are varying levels of arse pain, depending on the approach :) |
| 09:34.04 | L4m3r | well then, bedtime for L4m3r |
| 09:36.32 | USS_Enterprise | heh |
| 09:36.34 | USS_Enterprise | night L4m3r |
| 09:36.46 | USS_Enterprise | its 5:36 here... in the morning... I should go to bed soon |
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| 09:37.00 | USS_Enterprise | I'm not really that tired though, I've been staying up until 4 every night for the last few nights |
| 09:37.11 | USS_Enterprise | I'm having a LAN party on tuesday, so gotta get ready |
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| 10:27.46 | daxxar | Morning (evening, technically) peeps |
| 10:27.47 | daxxar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:31.15 | USS_Enterprise | heh, morning |
| 10:34.14 | Suspect | Morning? |
| 10:35.39 | USS_Enterprise | its 6:35 AM here |
| 10:35.44 | USS_Enterprise | I've yet to go to bed yet :p |
| 10:36.16 | Suspect | Oh :P |
| 10:36.24 | Suspect | I didn't know if you were talking to me or not |
| 10:36.32 | Suspect | It's 6:36 AM here too |
| 10:36.41 | Suspect | Just eating breakfast and stuff before I go to school |
| 10:36.55 | USS_Enterprise | heh, where do you go to school? |
| 10:37.10 | USS_Enterprise | down here in philly, schools about over |
| 10:37.15 | Suspect | Peru, NY |
| 10:37.22 | USS_Enterprise | today is the last day of finals, but I'm finished with my finals |
| 10:37.27 | Suspect | My last day is Wednesday.. and then I have a regents June 19th |
| 10:37.39 | USS_Enterprise | last day here is Tuesday :) |
| 10:37.44 | Suspect | I have an Algebra and English final today and tomorrow, then a science regents |
| 10:37.48 | Suspect | =p |
| 10:37.50 | USS_Enterprise | good luck |
| 10:37.54 | Suspect | Thanks |
| 10:38.02 | USS_Enterprise | I had Geometry and English my first day |
| 10:38.20 | USS_Enterprise | then history after that, then honors biology and german.. and then.. I was dnoe! |
| 10:38.34 | Suspect | Woohoo =p |
| 10:38.39 | USS_Enterprise | although I had a MOS final, driver's ed final, german listening final.. all in school |
| 10:38.52 | USS_Enterprise | but I'm done \o/ (my friends have a chem final tomorrow it seems) |
| 10:38.56 | USS_Enterprise | er, by tomorrow I mean today |
| 10:39.00 | Suspect | I wont have drivers ed for a little while |
| 10:39.02 | USS_Enterprise | god its confusing when you don't sleep |
| 10:39.16 | Suspect | :P the latest I stay up is 3:00 AM |
| 10:39.18 | daxxar | Suspect: Good luck. :-) |
| 10:39.20 | Suspect | but then I wont wake up till noon |
| 10:39.37 | Suspect | Thanks daxxar :] |
| 10:40.18 | USS_Enterprise | lol |
| 10:40.22 | USS_Enterprise | at this point I may not go to sleep |
| 10:41.05 | Suspect | or you could just for a few hours so you don't fall asleep walking later or something |
| 10:44.03 | USS_Enterprise | My optinos are as follows... fall asleep.. play BZflag.. play Quake.. play Urban Terror.. do work on a PHP thing I'm writing.. Worship Kari Byron.. |
| 10:44.06 | Suspect | options options |
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| 10:47.29 | Suspect | Off to school, cya guys |
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| 11:07.45 | daxxar | Hm, are there any instructions on building bzflag on win32? |
| 11:08.08 | daxxar | linux was ezpie, but I'm curious if I might need stuff like DX SDK and curl sources fetched manually to build it on win32? |
| 11:08.25 | daxxar | Compilation fails because it's missing curl/curl.h and dinput.h |
| 11:09.19 | Manu | daxxar: http://curl.haxx.se/download.html |
| 11:09.25 | Manu | you need curl |
| 11:10.14 | daxxar | Should I just extract it somewhere and configure MSVC to look in that dir for include-files, or does bzflag expect it to be somewhere? |
| 11:10.19 | daxxar | e.g. bzflag/curl/ |
| 11:10.44 | Manu | I'm not sure but I guess bzflag may find it |
| 11:10.58 | Manu | I'm not a windows guy :) |
| 11:16.33 | daxxar | Okay, then it fails on dinput.h, dinput.lib and curses.h |
| 11:18.34 | Manu | curses if for bzadmin iirc |
| 11:19.33 | daxxar | That I can live without |
| 11:19.41 | Manu | and dinput.lib is in DXSDK I guess :) |
| 11:21.10 | daxxar | Ugh, 440 mbn |
| 11:21.10 | daxxar | mb |
| 11:21.23 | Manu | patience is a virtue :p |
| 11:21.29 | daxxar | Yeah. ;-) |
| 11:21.46 | daxxar | I'm mostly doing this because browsing a codebase of this size is best done using an IDE |
| 11:22.04 | daxxar | Are there project-files for any decent linux-usable IDEs in the SVN tree? |
| 11:22.17 | daxxar | Xcode is OS/X, right? |
| 11:22.23 | Manu | I used Anjuta and Kdevelop |
| 11:22.28 | Manu | you simply can import it |
| 11:22.57 | Manu | in the IDE I mean |
| 11:22.58 | daxxar | Why both? =) |
| 11:23.06 | Manu | choose one |
| 11:23.09 | Manu | I tried both |
| 11:23.15 | daxxar | And you use both? |
| 11:23.24 | Manu | one for gnome and the other for kde |
| 11:23.35 | Manu | no, I don't use ide at now ;) |
| 11:23.46 | daxxar | Yeah, I guess I'll use Anjuta, so I won't have to pull down all the KDE support libs |
| 11:23.48 | Manu | for c++ |
| 11:24.18 | daxxar | I mostly use vim myself, but an IDE is especially nice when you're trying to learn your way around a new codebase |
| 11:24.22 | Manu | you also can use eclipse with the c++ plugin |
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| 11:25.14 | daxxar | I've used eclipse for Java, it's okay, have you tried it for c++? |
| 11:25.14 | ICM^ | oi |
| 11:25.17 | ICM^ | stupid Comcast |
| 11:25.28 | daxxar | 0 packages upgraded, 55 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 11:25.31 | ICM^ | its 7:25 AM, I think I'm going to go to sleep now.. |
| 11:25.44 | ICM^ | night.. er... morning all? *explodes* |
| 11:25.48 | daxxar | Good night. :-) |
| 11:25.50 | Manu | daxxar: yes I tried it |
| 11:26.03 | daxxar | What's your verdict? |
| 11:26.06 | Manu | it was fine too |
| 11:26.14 | Manu | if yo have enough RAM ;) |
| 11:26.24 | daxxar | I'll try Anjuta now, see if it suits my fancy. If not, I'll try Eclipse :) |
| 11:26.58 | Manu | you also can try Netbeans with the c++ development pack ;) |
| 11:27.08 | daxxar | Choices, choices, choices! |
| 11:27.11 | Manu | I use netbeans but only for Java |
| 11:37.44 | KTL | i used netbeans for a java gui |
| 11:37.55 | KTL | and the rest of the code from the same program in eclipse |
| 11:38.20 | KTL | with cvs I could simply swap environment for the same code |
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| 12:01.09 | delusional | what's the location of config.cfg in windows |
| 12:01.19 | delusional | ? |
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| 12:09.56 | brad | delusional: My Documents\My BZFlag Files\2.0\config.cfg |
| 12:10.08 | delusional | TY |
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| 12:15.33 | delusional | http://mybzflag.net/?p=34 |
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| 14:45.42 | daxxar | Does win32 bzadmin use pdcurses? |
| 14:45.47 | DTRemenak | it can |
| 14:45.56 | daxxar | Because I'm having some issues with using pdcurses 3.2 when compiling |
| 14:46.09 | daxxar | Error1error C2556: 'void use_default_colors(void)' : overloaded function differs only by return type from 'int use_default_colors(void)'d:\projects\bzflag\src\bzadmin\curses_wrapper.h164 |
| 14:46.14 | daxxar | Error4error C2556: 'void use_default_colors(void)' : overloaded function differs only by return type from 'int use_default_colors(void)'d:\projects\bzflag\src\bzadmin\curses_wrapper.h164 |
| 14:46.23 | daxxar | Sorry about the double-paste |
| 14:46.41 | DTRemenak | it required some significant effort to get it working with pdcurses in the first place. it's quite possible they broke it sense. |
| 14:47.21 | DTRemenak | if you're not overly concerned about bzadmin, switch configurations to Debug or Release (from Debug_pdcurses or Release_pdcurses) to disable curses |
| 14:47.27 | DTRemenak | or use pdcurses 2.6 |
| 14:47.46 | DTRemenak | or fix it :) |
| 14:48.02 | daxxar | Ah, thanks. Didn't know there was a configuration without it. :) |
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| 14:54.34 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r14318 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzadmin/curses_wrapper.h: pdcurses3 supports ncurses-style terminal color control |
| 14:54.40 | DTRemenak | or update :) |
| 14:58.22 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r14319 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzadmin/curses_wrapper.h: properly check PDC_BUILD for recent pdcurses support. should allow the use of pdcurses under unix systems (though why you'd do that with ncurses around, is a good question). |
| 14:59.05 | daxxar | Thanks =) |
| 15:00.01 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r14320 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzadmin/curses_wrapper.h: missed one check |
| 15:00.03 | daxxar | Might want to add |
| 15:00.04 | daxxar | #define _CRT_SECURE_NO_WARNINGS 1 |
| 15:00.10 | daxxar | to config.h in VC8 |
| 15:01.33 | DTRemenak | we use _CRT_SECURE_NO_DEPRECATE, you should not be getting warnings except from code that does not include config.h (i.e. ares) |
| 15:01.59 | daxxar | Let me try a complete rebuild, sec |
| 15:03.25 | daxxar | YEah, might've been only gzio.c and such |
| 15:09.21 | daxxar | Yep, you're right. My bad. :) |
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| 16:46.37 | tannerld | ~blast007+++ |
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| 17:53.43 | tupone | hola brlcad |
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| 21:06.28 | jude- | hiya guys |
| 21:06.49 | Winny | hola jude- |
| 21:13.24 | jude- | is there any file I can read that will tell me what the acronyms for BZFlag's flag types are? |
| 21:13.51 | jude- | i.e. SW == Shockwave flag, OO == oscillation overthruster, etc.? |
| 21:13.58 | jude- | I don't know them all yet |
| 21:14.17 | davemicc | bzflag's man page has them |
| 21:14.38 | brad | or the wiki I would think |
| 21:14.41 | jude- | thanks! |
| 21:14.53 | brad | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Flag_List |
| 21:15.16 | jude- | cool |
| 21:15.24 | jude- | ~davemicc++ |
| 21:15.25 | jude- | ~brad++ |
| 21:17.38 | Thumper_ | jude-: bzfs -help |
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| 21:34.50 | Winny | bah, wiki flag list isn't in alphabetical order :E |
| 21:35.56 | Thumper_ | Winny: so fix it |
| 21:36.23 | Winny | Thumper_, I will after this, I just figured it would be common sense for whoever wrote it |
| 21:36.35 | Thumper_ | Common Sense?? here??!!?? |
| 21:37.29 | Winny | Good point |
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| 22:29.39 | findlay | ~common sense |
| 22:29.55 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, common sense is applying simple logic and everyday reasoning to a problem. Doing so prevents you from asking stupid questions. |
| 22:30.03 | findlay | heh |
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| 22:47.19 | Winny | ~lart laserball2 |
| 22:47.19 | ibot | squeezes laserball2 till laserball2 turns blue like papa smurf |
| 22:47.23 | Winny | awesome |
| 22:47.26 | Winny | ~jbot++ |
| 22:51.15 | L4m3r | what'd he do now? |
| 22:51.55 | L4m3r | oh lord... |
| 22:51.58 | Winny | hehe |
| 22:52.49 | Winny | ...even me? :( |
| 22:52.54 | L4m3r | yes, even you. |
| 22:53.05 | Winny | Ha! everyone includes you! |
| 22:53.12 | L4m3r | mwahahaha! |
| 22:53.17 | Erroneous | L4m3r: It has occurred to me to make a post in announcments that says something like "This is a test of your reading comprehension skills. Anyone who posts anything between midnight tonight and midnight tomorrow night will be banned." |
| 22:53.28 | L4m3r | hahahaha |
| 22:53.34 | L4m3r | go for it! :D |
| 22:53.46 | Winny | wait, I wanna post a response |
| 22:53.51 | Winny | gimmie 5 min :p |
| 22:53.59 | Erroneous | it'd get rid of a lot of the obsessive-compulsive poster types :) |
| 22:54.19 | Winny | oh god |
| 22:54.20 | Winny | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=10931 |
| 22:54.25 | Winny | I love how he spelled "comes" |
| 22:54.27 | Winny | heh... |
| 22:54.47 | jude- | oh lord |
| 22:54.56 | L4m3r | so... stupid... gah |
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| 22:54.58 | a_meteorite | wow.. |
| 22:55.22 | Winny | this would make an awesome picture :p |
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| 22:55.37 | jude- | who is this guy? |
| 22:55.48 | Winny | laserball2... |
| 22:55.54 | Winny | probably ab out 10 years old |
| 22:56.09 | L4m3r | there needs to be some sort of rule about COPPA |
| 22:56.09 | delusional | he's french, I think |
| 22:56.38 | L4m3r | "If you don't act smart enough to be 13 years of age, and you aren't COPPA verified, we'll assume you're under 13 and ban you" |
| 22:56.46 | Winny | delusional, if he was native french, I would hate to see it... |
| 22:56.55 | Winny | I mean, if his 3nd lanuage is that bad |
| 22:57.24 | tannerld | hi all |
| 22:57.28 | Winny | 2nd/3rd |
| 22:58.09 | Erroneous | "Our current schedule is for a release in Q1 2014. Any release before that just means we're ahead of schedule." |
| 22:58.10 | L4m3r | Winny: what the hell is that avatar anyway? |
| 22:58.14 | Winny | mine? |
| 22:58.16 | L4m3r | and why do you and DW both use it? |
| 22:58.41 | Winny | Because its the fusion avatar :) (GU league team) |
| 22:58.56 | Winny | Erroneous, 3014* |
| 22:59.30 | L4m3r | "2.2 is ready, but we're holding it off because of a promo with 3D Realms. BZFlag 2.2 will be co-released in a box set with Duke Nukem Forever." |
| 22:59.38 | Winny | haha |
| 22:59.39 | Winny | nice |
| 22:59.53 | Winny | Dukem Nukem: Development Forever |
| 23:02.08 | L4m3r | ah crap |
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| 23:02.11 | L4m3r | phpBB doesn't have a strikethru bbcode? poop |
| 23:02.14 | Winny | DTRemenak, he believed you, heh. |
| 23:02.24 | Erroneous | fine by me |
| 23:02.24 | Winny | err, Erroneous. |
| 23:02.38 | Erroneous | he can come back in seven years, maybe he'll be a bit more mature :) |
| 23:03.08 | jude- | silly question, but how does one view the backlog from irssi? |
| 23:03.10 | Winny | oh, I dunno |
| 23:03.18 | L4m3r | oh lord. |
| 23:03.22 | L4m3r | ANOTHER thread |
| 23:03.23 | Erroneous | jude-: try shift-pageup |
| 23:03.31 | jude- | doesn't work |
| 23:03.31 | Winny | L4m3r: 2 day ban...? |
| 23:03.52 | jude- | 2 year ban...? |
| 23:04.02 | Winny | just trying to scare him :p |
| 23:04.37 | Winny | everyone reply to the "when do you get out of school" thread with "I don't, I work." ;) |
| 23:05.09 | L4m3r | no, don't |
| 23:05.13 | L4m3r | not relevant to BZFlag |
| 23:05.16 | L4m3r | /deleted |
| 23:06.41 | Winny | even better |
| 23:07.04 | Winny | oh god. He wants to learn objC/C++ |
| 23:07.25 | L4m3r | so? let him |
| 23:07.50 | L4m3r | if he's busy coding BonziBuddy's rabid, spastic little brother, he's not pestering us |
| 23:07.59 | Winny | true, as long as we don't get "how can I make a cool flag thing?!?!?" |
| 23:08.11 | L4m3r | heh |
| 23:08.24 | L4m3r | fine, fine. :P |
| 23:08.59 | a_meteorite | laserball2 is such an idiot... |
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| 23:16.21 | L4m3r | his response: "ok i am sorry plz forgive :(" |
| 23:16.55 | a_meteorite | hahaha.. |
| 23:17.09 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03judecn * r14321 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (24 files in 4 dirs): |
| 23:17.09 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Relatively big changes here. Added support for "cone", "link", "meshbox", |
| 23:17.09 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: "meshpyr", "sphere", "tetra", and "zone", and improved all other objects. The |
| 23:17.09 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: parsing algorithms are better at catching syntax errors and can recall and save |
| 23:17.09 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: unused data. The GUI is still disabled, but the text that will print reflects |
| 23:17.12 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: the parsing capabilities of each object. |
| 23:17.22 | a_meteorite | jude-: sweet |
| 23:17.36 | jude- | thank you :) |
| 23:17.57 | delusional_ | save unused data.. YAY |
| 23:18.19 | jude- | still have to write the code for "define", "mesh", "dynamicColor", "texturematrix", and "weapon" |
| 23:18.50 | Winny | If I posted what I still had todo on my map editor, I would fill your IRC window :p |
| 23:19.01 | tannerld | "map editor" |
| 23:19.15 | jude- | same here |
| 23:19.25 | Winny | tannerld, it really is now |
| 23:19.31 | tannerld | Winny: pic? |
| 23:19.57 | Winny | ...its just a real blank interface. |
| 23:32.31 | a_meteorite | :o |
| 23:32.38 | TD-Linux | to Winny??? |
| 23:32.40 | Winny | is there a way to get "Win Xp" put on a disallowed username list, or should I just register a "Win Xp" account? |
| 23:32.45 | Winny | TD-Linux, yes. |
| 23:33.07 | a_meteorite | ... |
| 23:34.03 | Winny | You don't like winny? :p |
| 23:34.11 | TD-Linux | it's better than Win XP |
| 23:34.34 | a_meteorite | Win Xp > Winny |
| 23:34.45 | Winny | WinnyXP :p |
| 23:34.45 | TD-Linux | I bet you didn't know there was anything else than Win Xp when you registered that nick :P |
| 23:34.52 | TD-Linux | xP |
| 23:34.59 | tannerld | lol |
| 23:35.11 | Winny | your probably right |
| 23:35.57 | TD-Linux | I like Winny better |
| 23:36.06 | TD-Linux | it is more original |
| 23:36.37 | TD-Linux | augh, I clicked on a "PLZ READ THIS" thread on the BZBB again.. I have to stop doing that sometime |
| 23:37.01 | blast007 | TD-Linux: hehe |
| 23:37.10 | Winny | what "PLZ READ DIS/!?!?" |
| 23:37.32 | Winny | there are quite a few |
| 23:37.45 | Winny | heck, I think a few users have "plz read dis" in thier sig. |
| 23:38.01 | tannerld | heh |
| 23:38.25 | tannerld | I've never seen donny baker get mean towards a user, he seems to start doing that towards new guys : |
| 23:38.45 | Winny | I don;t blame him |
| 23:38.46 | TD-Linux | ehh |
| 23:39.00 | TD-Linux | I would stab laserball2 if I ever met him, from that thread :P |
| 23:39.17 | Winny | Ive written quite a few posts that probably would have gotten be banned, but Ive had the sense not to post them. |
| 23:39.20 | a_meteorite | that's a great way to go to prison, TD-Linux |
| 23:39.29 | Winny | well, maybe warned, not banned |
| 23:39.31 | TD-Linux | fine, I would cyber-stab him |
| 23:39.45 | TD-Linux | or lart him :P |
| 23:39.57 | blast007 | or poke him until he explodes! |
| 23:40.11 | a_meteorite | TD-Linux: I read that as "fart on him" |
| 23:40.17 | blast007 | lol |
| 23:40.18 | Winny | "i'm going to become rich and famous after i invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet" |
| 23:40.58 | findlay | ~cookie |
| 23:41.17 | Winny | what an odd cookie jar. |
| 23:41.24 | a_meteorite | erm, if I wanted RFC docs I would google.. not go to the cookie jar |
| 23:41.36 | findlay | heh |
| 23:41.38 | Winny | "cookies for all students!" :p |
| 23:41.45 | a_meteorite | but, seriously, who would WANT to read RFC docs? |
| 23:41.57 | findlay | ~bzfrag cookie jar |
| 23:41.59 | ibot | ACTION skewers cookie jar with a super bullet |
| 23:43.21 | Erroneous | Winny: just register an account with the name you want to reserve |
| 23:48.41 | Winny | hehe, looks weird, "newest registered user: Win Xp" |
| 23:48.53 | tannerld | not again :P |
| 23:49.13 | a_meteorite | it's happening allll oovvver agaain! |
| 23:49.13 | Winny | yeah, I dished out enough noob to last 3 lifetimes |
| 23:49.15 | a_meteorite | save me tannerld |
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| 23:55.03 | L4m3r | time for work |
| 23:55.11 | Winny | hf |
| 23:55.35 | Winny | ...Can I have it too? Maybe we can share? |
| 23:55.41 | L4m3r | when in doubt, shoot. |
| 23:56.07 | Erroneous | ...oops |
| 23:56.07 | L4m3r | be back in 5 or 6 hours :P |
| 23:56.30 | Winny | L4m3r, the house may not be standing when you get back |
| 23:56.38 | L4m3r | mmk |
