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| 02:13.52 | jude- | greetings fellow BZFlag users and developers! |
| 02:14.34 | a_meteorite | uh greetings |
| 02:15.55 | jude- | lol |
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| 02:18.33 | jude- | question: it was mentioned before that materials can have multiple matref lines...is this true of all BZFlag 2.0 objects (i.e. arcs, spheres, cones, tetrahedrons, etc.)? |
| 02:21.07 | DTRemenak | yes, iirc |
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| 02:21.20 | DTRemenak | and groups |
| 02:21.41 | DTRemenak | (again, iirc...been a long time since I poked that code) |
| 02:21.52 | CBG | ~jude-++ |
| 02:22.04 | CBG | jude-: it's gone 3am already! :P |
| 02:22.29 | jude- | CBG: I live in GMT - 7:00 |
| 02:22.37 | CBG | GMT+1 here. :P |
| 02:22.45 | CBG | so you got almost 8 hours ;) |
| 02:22.49 | jude- | yup |
| 02:22.57 | jude- | excluding dinner and bathroom breaks |
| 02:23.03 | jude- | s/excluding/including |
| 02:23.27 | jude- | DTRemenak: thanks! |
| 02:24.58 | CBG | dinner? pfffft |
| 02:25.05 | CBG | bathroom breaks? double pfffft! |
| 02:25.10 | CBG | work work work! |
| 02:25.34 | jude- | I wish |
| 02:25.48 | jude- | but alas, human bodies are weak like that |
| 02:27.42 | CBG | ~lart jude- |
| 02:27.42 | ibot | slaps jude- upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 02:29.46 | jude- | *hackable |
| 02:31.10 | eTangenT | jude-: I'll show you how you can easily hack a body... |
| 02:31.20 | eTangenT | with a hatchet |
| 02:31.46 | jude- | lol |
| 02:31.56 | jude- | gives new meaning to "bury the hatchet" |
| 02:32.03 | jude- | (bury it in one's scull) |
| 02:32.07 | jude- | *skull |
| 02:33.17 | jude- | another question: can objects have multiple physics drivers? |
| 02:38.24 | CBG | not afaik |
| 02:38.31 | CBG | but a physdrv can do multiple thinks |
| 02:39.18 | jude- | thanks! |
| 02:39.43 | blast007 | CBG: you think? |
| 02:39.46 | blast007 | ;) |
| 02:39.55 | CBG | uh. things |
| 02:40.09 | CBG | Death overides the otherstuff, but one physics can do linear and/or angular and/or slide |
| 02:40.23 | jude- | right |
| 02:40.25 | CBG | s/other/other / |
| 02:40.36 | jude- | do they all need to be defined? |
| 02:40.51 | jude- | i.e. can I have a physics driver without a linear definition? |
| 02:41.01 | CBG | sure |
| 02:41.04 | jude- | kk |
| 02:41.24 | CBG | :) |
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| 02:41.38 | blast007 | howdy trepan |
| 02:41.44 | trepan | yo |
| 02:41.49 | jude- | hello trepan |
| 02:41.54 | jude- | I have a few questions for you |
| 02:42.08 | jude- | and will have more in the future |
| 02:42.14 | trepan | that's nice |
| 02:42.19 | jude- | is there a way I can privately communicate with you? |
| 02:42.21 | jude- | i.e. email? |
| 02:42.22 | trepan | no |
| 02:42.30 | trepan | i just moved, still setting things up |
| 02:42.40 | jude- | I see |
| 02:42.58 | trepan | ex: just drilled a hole in a wall to wire the rj45 |
| 02:43.05 | jude- | lol |
| 02:43.06 | blast007 | :) |
| 02:43.39 | jude- | trepan: is it tetra or tetrahedron that defines the tetrahedron object? |
| 02:43.50 | trepan | 'tetra' iirc |
| 02:43.54 | jude- | thanks |
| 02:43.57 | trepan | forget them, they're a waste of time |
| 02:44.09 | jude- | no can do |
| 02:44.12 | jude- | I have to implement them |
| 02:44.25 | trepan | not if you remove them from the source ;-) |
| 02:44.32 | blast007 | hehe |
| 02:44.35 | trepan | no real maps use them... |
| 02:44.44 | jude- | that will change with my map editor |
| 02:44.49 | CBG | :D |
| 02:44.56 | trepan | jude-: focus on meshes |
| 02:45.00 | CBG | BZWB will change teh wurld! |
| 02:45.06 | CBG | meshes++ |
| 02:45.25 | DTRemenak | tetras are just a special case of meshes anyway |
| 02:45.32 | jude- | I figured |
| 02:46.35 | jude- | in the drawinfo object in meshes, what is the function of lengthPerPixel? |
| 02:46.42 | jude- | is that the number of bits per pixel? |
| 02:47.21 | trepan | it's used for level-of-detail |
| 02:47.49 | trepan | no real maps use it, i never released my converter |
| 02:48.26 | jude- | also, what does passable do in face declarations? |
| 02:49.16 | trepan | passable = drivethrough + shootthrough |
| 02:49.25 | trepan | works for other primitives as well |
| 02:49.27 | jude- | ah |
| 02:49.43 | trepan | you should get yourself a copy of 'grep', or a windows equivalent |
| 02:50.01 | jude- | why's that? |
| 02:50.18 | blast007 | because 'passable' would be rather easy to pick out of the source |
| 02:53.54 | DTRemenak | generally speaking, it is wise to not bug trepan about bz stuff unless you can't find out any other way (and there will be some of that), for you are crunchy, and taste good with ketchup :) |
| 02:54.43 | jude- | lol |
| 02:54.44 | DTRemenak | and it hurts him to type |
| 02:54.57 | jude- | I was unaware of this |
| 02:55.01 | jude- | I'm sorry trepan! |
| 02:55.05 | trepan | i don't mind answering questions that you can't find answers to easily |
| 02:56.20 | trepan | in case you don't already have a similar script: http://trepan.homelinux.net/cgrep :) |
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| 03:03.40 | jude- | looking at drawinfo, I'm guessing that "dlist" causes the mesh to be stored in an OpenGL display list, "linestrip", "tristrip", and "quadstrip" cause the mesh to be rendered using OpenGL polygon strips with the point indexes given, "trifan" creates a triangle fan out of the point indexes its given, "lines", "tris" and "quads" define (specifically) lines, triagles, and quads specifically for OpenGL, "polygon" creates an OpenGL polygon from i |
| 03:04.25 | jude- | ... but I'm unsure what "sphere" and "lineloop" do |
| 03:04.41 | jude- | ... and what "material" in a face declaration does |
| 03:05.02 | trepan | points-to-polygon map directly to gl primitives |
| 03:05.30 | trepan | sphere is the culling sphere pos and radius (iirc) |
| 03:06.50 | jude- | cool. Thanks! |
| 03:06.53 | trepan | dlist does indeed mean that it will use a display list "display list for this material set" |
| 03:07.05 | trepan | dlist defaults to true, iirc |
| 03:07.20 | trepan | hm, no, that isn't right ;-) |
| 03:07.36 | trepan | was thinking of the modified version that was never committed |
| 03:09.31 | trepan | ah, some of this is coming back to me; the difference between extents and sphere might be that extents is used for the octree generation, and sphere is used for translucent rendernode culling |
| 03:10.07 | jude- | that would make sense |
| 03:11.33 | jude- | I was planning on autmating the generation of the drawinfo section of mesh in BZWB...assuming I can get it to work, is there a disadvantage in BZFlag to doing so? |
| 03:12.01 | jude- | i.e. making everything into tristrips or trifans, creating cull spheres, etc. |
| 03:12.59 | trepan | not all clients support them (old ATIs?), they aren't well tested, they can be disabled |
| 03:13.16 | trepan | on the upside, they can render considerably faster iirc |
| 03:13.34 | trepan | (that's in raw form) |
| 03:14.01 | trepan | and lod'ed... a _lot_ faster depending on map geometry |
| 03:14.17 | jude- | yeah--lod info would be auto-generated as well |
| 03:16.23 | trepan | they can also use shared display lists for different group instantiations; i don't think that I ever made the normal mesh nodes do that |
| 03:17.12 | jude- | neat |
| 03:17.18 | jude- | I can see how that would speed things up :) |
| 03:19.53 | tannerld | ~jude++ |
| 03:29.14 | jude- | I'm pretty sure I understand what "corner" does by reading the source code, but to verify: corner takes an index to a point, a texture coordinate, and a normal vector to define a vertex on the mesh, yes? |
| 03:30.33 | trepan | yup, sounds about right for the rcs version |
| 03:30.42 | jude- | ...and I'm guessing it's designed to help the collision detection code? |
| 03:31.46 | trepan | drawinfo have nothing to do with coldet |
| 03:32.08 | trepan | they're only for 'draw'ing |
| 03:32.21 | jude- | kk |
| 03:32.32 | jude- | are they needed for every vertex in the mesh? |
| 03:32.49 | trepan | probably not |
| 03:33.07 | trepan | you don't need any mesh object data, iirc |
| 03:36.46 | trepan | http://trepan.homelinux.net/gears.bzw |
| 03:36.57 | trepan | might work with svn, don't remember when i made it |
| 03:37.25 | trepan | anyways, the point is that there are no collision vertices, it's a pure drawInfo mesh |
| 03:37.31 | jude- | I see |
| 03:37.52 | jude- | your page--trepan.homelinux.net--I can't connect to it |
| 03:38.01 | jude- | it times out |
| 03:38.01 | trepan | note the scope of the vertex/normal/texcoord definitions |
| 03:38.34 | trepan | ah, one sec |
| 03:39.30 | trepan | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/gears.bzw |
| 03:39.57 | jude- | thanks! |
| 03:41.23 | jude- | that makes sense |
| 03:41.52 | trepan | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/b5.bzw |
| 03:41.57 | trepan | a simple one with lod |
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| 03:42.54 | trepan | had some better ones, but they seem to have fallen into /dev/null |
| 03:44.17 | jude- | neat! Thanks for those links! |
| 03:44.47 | trepan | thank learner, his server ;) |
| 03:49.31 | Macrosoft | what? no one hungry? |
| 03:51.01 | tannerld | no - its 11:50 EST |
| 03:51.39 | Macrosoft | close enough for a midnight snack |
| 03:52.36 | jude- | one last thing: in a matref sub-object in the lod sub-object, the lod elements (i.e. tristrip, line, etc) affect all verteces that reference that material? |
| 03:52.36 | tannerld | not icecream |
| 03:52.36 | Macrosoft | what then... onions? :) |
| 03:53.32 | jude- | i.e. I declare a material, reference it under lod, supply lod parameters, and BZFlag applies the lod parameters to all faces that use that material? |
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| 04:00.53 | trepan | lods params only apply to elements defined within their scope |
| 04:01.48 | trepan | note that matref can be used more then once in a lod block, and that only those gl primitives defined within a matref's scope will be affected by it |
| 04:08.17 | jude- | in b5.bzw, lod has a "length" parameter. What does that do? |
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| 04:09.21 | jude- | also, it uses "material <name>" ... "end" in the lod sub-object |
| 04:09.33 | jude- | I thought it was supposed to use matref? |
| 04:09.56 | trepan | bbiab |
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| 04:32.02 | trepan | it's "matref <name>" in the lod blocks |
| 04:32.26 | jude- | thought so |
| 04:32.37 | jude- | I'm still not clear as to how the lod gets defined... |
| 04:32.47 | trepan | and length is an alias for lengthPerPixel |
| 04:33.00 | trepan | src/obstacle/MeshDrawInfo.cxx |
| 04:43.27 | jude- | let me rephrase that: I'm not clear on the scope of the lod |
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| 04:44.07 | trepan | drawInfo/lod/matref, as the manpage says |
| 04:45.24 | jude- | let me rephrase that again: I do not understand how putting lod elements such as tristrip inside a matref inside a lod affects the processing of the raw mesh data |
| 04:46.03 | jude- | which points do the lod parameters index? |
| 04:46.11 | jude- | are they inside drawinfo, or the mesh? |
| 04:46.23 | trepan | huh? lod parameters index? |
| 04:46.25 | jude- | and how are the lod elements related to the material? |
| 04:46.59 | jude- | I was under the impression that a lod parameter like "tristrip" takes indexes to vertexes |
| 04:47.07 | jude- | i.e. the nth vertexes |
| 04:47.16 | trepan | tristrip isn't a "lod parameter" |
| 04:47.32 | trepan | it's associated with a material |
| 04:47.53 | trepan | ie: matref |
| 04:47.59 | jude- | that's why I'm confused |
| 04:48.20 | trepan | drawInfo / lod / matref / points|tristrip|... |
| 04:48.51 | jude- | I understand the hierarchy |
| 04:49.36 | jude- | what I don't understand is how defining lod paramters inside a material (which to my knowledge does not include any definitions of vertexes) can have an effect on how the vertexes are passed to OpenGL |
| 04:49.44 | trepan | only one lod is drawn at once, that help? |
| 04:50.22 | trepan | lengthPerPixel is the only "lod parameter" |
| 04:50.32 | trepan | it controls which lod will be drawn |
| 04:50.33 | JeffM | he's asking why GEOMETRY data is in side a material def |
| 04:50.43 | jude- | exactly! |
| 04:51.00 | trepan | so you know which material to use when render the geo ... |
| 04:51.02 | JeffM | and why it is not part of the actual mesh object |
| 04:51.13 | JeffM | ahh |
| 04:51.25 | jude- | I second that "ahh" |
| 04:51.29 | JeffM | jude-, you can have a material per geometric representaiton |
| 04:51.31 | trepan | drawInfo do not need to look like the original mesh |
| 04:51.52 | trepan | you can use several materials for any given lod |
| 04:52.12 | JeffM | do the strips and fans even work? |
| 04:52.22 | trepan | all 9 prims work |
| 04:52.56 | trepan | or they did when i last tested them :) |
| 04:53.09 | EbErT | in the wiki, who all are responsible for critiquing the flag ideas? |
| 04:53.26 | EbErT | looks like its open to anyone, im confused |
| 04:53.36 | JeffM | EbErT, it's a wiki |
| 04:53.44 | JeffM | nooone is responsible for anything |
| 04:54.06 | EbErT | k, regular wiki :D |
| 04:54.19 | jude- | so, the parameters inside the "matref" block affect vertexes associated with that material (within the mesh)? |
| 04:54.53 | trepan | parameters? points, etc...? |
| 04:56.01 | jude- | i.e. tristrip, lineloop, etc. (the "parameters") within a matref block within a lod block affect vertexes within the mesh that are associated with the material (i.e. vertexes that use the material in a face block)? |
| 04:56.09 | trepan | they aren't really parameters |
| 04:56.24 | trepan | primitives, draw commands, draw elements... but not params ;) |
| 04:56.35 | jude- | primitives then :) |
| 04:56.54 | trepan | the primitives define the geometry that is drawn |
| 04:57.10 | jude- | I know... |
| 04:57.19 | trepan | it does not have to correlate to the face geometry |
| 04:57.29 | trepan | "drawInfo do not need to look like the original mesh" |
| 04:57.54 | jude- | but then how does BZFlag know how to apply the primitives? |
| 04:57.59 | JeffM | each LOD level it's own geometric reprpresation |
| 04:58.06 | JeffM | so it can look like anything |
| 04:58.11 | JeffM | each level has a material |
| 04:58.17 | trepan | "only one lod is drawn at once, that help?" ;-) |
| 04:58.29 | jude- | I did not know how to interpret that |
| 04:58.37 | trepan | each lod can have several materials actually |
| 04:58.39 | JeffM | trepan is being intentionaly dificult |
| 04:58.43 | JeffM | true |
| 04:58.52 | JeffM | each LOD has it's own set of materials |
| 04:58.54 | JeffM | how's that ;) |
| 04:59.02 | jude- | makes more sense |
| 04:59.15 | trepan | still not entirely accurate, but whatever works for ya |
| 04:59.23 | JeffM | the "engine" picks what LOD level to use |
| 04:59.38 | JeffM | then uses the prims/command/materials for that level when it draws |
| 04:59.50 | JeffM | but for each objec it will only draw one LOD at a time. |
| 05:00.54 | JeffM | IIRC only one map ever used LODs and that was the LOD test map |
| 05:02.01 | trepan | a lod'ed a tree for louman, it's been copied a few times |
| 05:02.10 | trepan | s/a lod'ed/i lod'ed |
| 05:02.20 | JeffM | fun |
| 05:02.26 | trepan | so there are some real maps that use it |
| 05:02.39 | trepan | s/fun/factual |
| 05:04.54 | JeffM | ifen I was your mentor I'd say make your backend flexable enough to drop LOD in later after you have basic editing in. |
| 05:05.09 | JeffM | make a basic mesh object class that handles the basic meshes |
| 05:05.26 | JeffM | then later after that's all done, drawinfo support can be added |
| 05:05.26 | jude- | kk |
| 05:05.51 | JeffM | I fear that you'll waste all your time supporting features that are not well understood by current developers and used not very often |
| 05:06.06 | jude- | that's my worry as well |
| 05:06.12 | JeffM | when time may be better spent on the engine side, cleaning up/understainding them better |
| 05:06.26 | JeffM | since there author is no longer active |
| 05:06.48 | jude- | this is true |
| 05:06.49 | JeffM | that's just my opionon tho |
| 05:06.58 | JeffM | may not mean much now that I am less active |
| 05:07.06 | trepan | the fact that drawInfo's can be disabled with "useDrawInfo" also helps that argument |
| 05:08.41 | JeffM | I'd just get your editor doing the basics |
| 05:08.52 | JeffM | but have an extensable framework |
| 05:09.01 | JeffM | suport for objects can come as needed |
| 05:09.12 | JeffM | since it's highly likely that new object types will be added later |
| 05:09.39 | JeffM | so adding in stuff like LOD, and the complex material support later is a good test of that framework's editabliltiy |
| 05:11.12 | jude- | JeffM: don't worry, I've taken extra pains to make sure it will be easy to add support for future objects |
| 05:11.29 | jude- | ...at least at the source level |
| 05:12.06 | JeffM | source level is good enoguh |
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| 05:23.28 | jude- | thank you trepan for your help |
| 05:23.40 | jude- | I'll continue experimenting with lods |
| 05:23.51 | jude- | and see if I can get any useful results :) |
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| 05:52.26 | jude- | because pyramid will support phydrv and matref in BZFlag 2.2 (according to the wiki), should my pyramid object in BZWB support them as well? |
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| 06:05.34 | trepan | 2.0.8 already supports it (or a CVS version, i forget) |
| 06:06.23 | jude- | says 2.0.9 in the wiki |
| 06:06.42 | jude- | and it won't load in my 2.0.8 server |
| 06:08.26 | trepan | 2.0.9 sounds good (main point was that it was done before 2.2) |
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| 06:41.20 | jude- | another map question: is it possible to have multiple matrefs to a meshbox (i.e. two or more materials for the top)? |
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| 07:32.51 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03judecn * r14317 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (14 files in 4 dirs): |
| 07:32.51 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Added support for "teleporter," "pyramid", "arc", and "base" objects, made the |
| 07:32.51 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: BZW parser more intelligent, made all objects better at catching syntax errors |
| 07:32.51 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: BEFORE committing them to the internal model, removed the GUI temporarily to |
| 07:32.51 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: demonstrate object data modifications. |
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| 11:26.06 | jftsang | hi |
| 11:26.12 | jftsang | any1 here? |
| 11:28.37 | jftsang | bye |
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| 13:43.52 | Macrosoft | any devs here |
| 13:49.24 | Winny | probably, but you need to yell louder ;) |
| 13:54.13 | Macrosoft | well, does anyone know if the shockInRadius is just a visual setting, or does it affect the SW kill area |
| 14:02.10 | Winny | I *think* this shockwave comes in after it goes out, but I don't really remember |
| 14:03.06 | Winny | oh, its the starting radius of the SW |
| 14:03.46 | Macrosoft | yeah, so if i make it bigger... |
| 14:04.33 | Macrosoft | it shouldnt kill tanks that get really close to the tank using SW |
| 14:04.33 | Winny | IF _shockInRadius is bigger then _shockOutRadius, it will go inward |
| 14:05.26 | Macrosoft | yeah, but if i make shockInRadius 30, does that mean that tanks closer than 30 units dont get hit by the SW |
| 14:07.17 | Macrosoft | thats what im trying to do |
| 14:10.03 | Winny | go try it? :p |
| 14:10.26 | Macrosoft | already on it |
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| 14:12.28 | Macrosoft | nope, it doesnt affect the kill area, its just a visual setting |
| 14:12.58 | Macrosoft | too bad, i was hoping on keeping it like that |
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| 14:33.57 | zee638 | fgh |
| 14:33.59 | zee638 | dfh |
| 14:34.01 | zee638 | gh |
| 14:34.05 | zee638 | fghfg |
| 14:34.07 | zee638 | h |
| 14:34.09 | zee638 | fgh |
| 14:34.11 | zee638 | fg |
| 14:36.35 | Winny | indeed |
| 14:36.51 | CBG | Well, DUH. |
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| 15:03.05 | Macrosoft | ...? |
| 15:12.38 | Macrosoft | ...well...gotta go to work, be back tonight |
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| 15:26.13 | jftsang | im back |
| 15:29.26 | Winny | wb? |
| 15:29.43 | jftsang | wb? what does it stand for? (note: newbie alert) |
| 15:30.02 | jftsang | *grabbed Guided Missile flag* |
| 15:30.06 | jftsang | *locked on me* |
| 15:30.27 | ruskie | welcome back |
| 15:31.20 | Winny | Welcome back |
| 15:31.21 | Winny | bah |
| 15:31.21 | Winny | :p |
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| 16:08.49 | donny_baker | what is it with the kiddies making the same\similar posts lately |
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| 16:11.36 | donny_baker | "I don't like your answer I'll ask again"... Iswear they don't teach reading these days |
| 16:14.52 | blast007 | donny_baker: I should make the forum pop up a huge search button when people with less than 10 posts go to start a new topic :P |
| 16:26.13 | jftsang | anyone tried out this server? |
| 16:26.21 | jftsang | tedius.dyndns.org:5171 |
| 16:26.35 | jftsang | i and tedius and enterprise made it, enjoy ;) |
| 16:34.55 | ruskie | donny_baker, link |
| 16:39.48 | blast007 | ruskie: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/ ;) (it's not one individual post that is the issue, they are all over) |
| 17:02.30 | jftsang | im bored here |
| 17:02.58 | Winny | then minimize your window, we aren't always here |
| 17:03.04 | jftsang | ok |
| 17:03.13 | Winny | this isn't like AIM or MSN |
| 17:03.22 | blast007 | Winny: thank god |
| 17:03.46 | Winny | ye i no blst07 dats gud dat it isnt like da msn or de aim |
| 17:04.05 | blast007 | i c i c. dat snds gud 2 me! |
| 17:04.10 | Winny | :p |
| 17:04.12 | blast007 | asl! |
| 17:04.37 | Winny | o__0 |
| 17:05.13 | blast007 | "I'm a 41 year old guy from, er, I mean, I'm a 17 year old girl from Florida, teehee" |
| 17:06.12 | Winny | hehe |
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| 17:09.01 | jftsang_____ | wats wrong with msn |
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| 17:09.19 | blast007 | jftsang_____: the fact that you use it, probably |
| 17:09.30 | blast007 | it's for children |
| 17:09.38 | jftsang_____ | no its not |
| 17:09.44 | blast007 | it's* |
| 17:09.46 | jftsang_____ | any1 can use msn |
| 17:09.51 | jftsang_____ | and/or aim |
| 17:09.53 | blast007 | ... |
| 17:09.54 | jftsang_____ | and/or irc |
| 17:10.00 | blast007 | anyone* |
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| 17:10.16 | zee559 | jyuuyuyuyy |
| 17:10.24 | blast007 | zee559: can we help you? |
| 17:10.49 | blast007 | I guess not |
| 17:11.35 | blast007 | jftsang_____: also, you're using AOL internet, which is another no-no |
| 17:11.36 | CBG | I doubt anyone could help him. |
| 17:11.44 | blast007 | CBG: maybe a doctor |
| 17:11.49 | eTangenT_ | omg. AOL. |
| 17:11.52 | eTangenT_ | I used to be on AOL. |
| 17:11.56 | blast007 | CBG: his self-lobotomy probably failed |
| 17:11.59 | CBG | Perhaps... a very talented doctor. |
| 17:12.06 | eTangenT_ | Took me a while, but I finally convinced my parents to switch. |
| 17:13.04 | eTangenT_ | so uh, can I remove a page from Wiki? |
| 17:13.10 | eTangenT_ | specifically, this one... http://my.bzflag.org/w/Talk:Change_Default_Font |
| 17:13.35 | eTangenT_ | or should I just remove everything on it?> |
| 17:14.13 | CBG | I see nothing wrong with it. |
| 17:14.26 | eTangenT_ | hm |
| 17:14.31 | eTangenT_ | ts is deleting stuff, too |
| 17:14.45 | CBG | Some nice links to bookmark, eTangenT_. |
| 17:14.54 | eTangenT_ | hahah |
| 17:14.55 | eTangenT_ | yeah |
| 17:15.07 | blast007 | hrm |
| 17:15.10 | ts | eTangenT_: Huh? |
| 17:15.13 | blast007 | and so it begins |
| 17:15.18 | blast007 | (the spam) |
| 17:15.20 | CBG | edited. |
| 17:15.42 | eTangenT_ | oh, ts, I thought you were editing spam out, I see you got GSoC's talk |
| 17:16.09 | ts | The page was completly spam |
| 17:16.18 | eTangenT_ | yeah |
| 17:16.19 | eTangenT_ | hm |
| 17:16.21 | ts | In history was no talk |
| 17:16.29 | eTangenT_ | go to Help:Content |
| 17:16.36 | eTangenT_ | how do we tossw that user?\ |
| 17:16.51 | ts | He comes from france |
| 17:17.20 | CBG | those pesky french! |
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| 17:20.15 | blast007 | hi spldart |
| 17:20.27 | ts | donny_baker: We got a spammer at wiki: http://my.bzflag.org/w/Special:Contributions/83.224.64.4 |
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| 17:21.23 | eTangenT_ | k |
| 17:21.30 | eTangenT_ | I think I removed all his nonsense |
| 17:21.34 | eTangenT_ | but I can't do any more than that |
| 17:21.46 | Winny | Is the wiki reg'ed editing only? |
| 17:21.59 | eTangenT_ | Winny: Some pages, but some of the spammers are registering now. |
| 17:22.06 | Winny | oh ojy |
| 17:22.46 | spldart | Hi |
| 17:22.59 | eTangenT_ | yo spldart |
| 17:23.39 | blast007 | ts: I blocked them now |
| 17:34.37 | spldart | :( |
| 17:34.44 | spldart | Been along time... I'm rusty |
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| 17:45.42 | Winny | Is here running a core 2 duo 2.66? |
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| 17:48.21 | blast007 | Is anyone* ? |
| 17:48.34 | spldart | heh :) |
| 17:49.23 | Winny | yeah, whoops :p |
| 17:50.30 | Winny | did you have to upgrade the heatsink at all? |
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| 17:50.40 | bremac | hey, anyone here admin on missile war? |
| 17:50.43 | Epyon | heatsink? o.O |
| 17:50.46 | Winny | indeed |
| 17:50.50 | Winny | mremac, yes |
| 17:50.54 | Winny | err, bremac |
| 17:51.01 | bremac | nasty tker/flagrunner on there now |
| 17:51.04 | Winny | kk |
| 17:51.07 | Epyon | well, I bought a new box altogether |
| 17:51.33 | spldart | I voted yes on missile wqar hehe |
| 17:51.33 | spldart | list server is sslloooooww |
| 17:51.38 | blast007 | Winny: the intel cooler not enough? |
| 17:52.01 | Epyon | it is for me, temperature keeps stead at 100% uptime. |
| 17:52.11 | Epyon | (and nightly renderings xP) |
| 17:52.31 | spldart | I can't remember the last time I ran a stock HSF on any processor :-/ |
| 17:53.05 | Winny | blast007, Im thinking of volume |
| 17:53.55 | Epyon | Winny, you were talking about a random generator? |
| 17:54.05 | Epyon | What does it do? |
| 17:54.25 | Winny | generates random maps, but Im trying to implement something to make it more playable |
| 17:54.46 | Winny | allows you to set map type (IE: sniping, hunting, etc) |
| 17:55.07 | Epyon | Err... I'd be realy surpriser if a random generator wouldn't generate random maps xP |
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| 17:55.17 | Epyon | I was asking about the method used :P |
| 17:55.34 | Winny | As in, programming language? |
| 17:55.43 | Epyon | Anyway, Winny, willing to help me out with my GSoC? :P |
| 17:55.48 | Winny | I do not know any C |
| 17:55.49 | Epyon | Errr... as in random generation method... |
| 17:56.11 | blast007 | Winny: "The retail CPUs have a three year warranty but they come with a fan designed for the processor right from Intel. It comes as a package and you are only supposed to use the Intel fan, any other will void your warranty." |
| 17:56.14 | Epyon | Winny, help as in "feedback", "testing" and "suggestions" :P |
| 17:56.23 | Winny | oh |
| 17:56.35 | Winny | yeah, sure |
| 17:56.58 | Epyon | Yet, I'm still interested what algo you use for map generation :P |
| 17:57.15 | blast007 | Winny: and I can't even hear my CPU fan... over the sound of my 5 x 120mm fans and 2 80mm fans |
| 17:57.52 | Winny | Epyon: still a WIP :p |
| 17:58.51 | Epyon | Winny, but I guess it's based around primitives, not meshes? |
| 17:58.58 | Winny | indeed\ |
| 18:00.17 | Epyon | Anyway, I need to start working on my project, I guess some people may be already mad at me here for the unforseen delay :( |
| 18:04.12 | Winny | Epyon, is your GSoC project an addition to BZFlag, or is it a seperatre program? |
| 18:04.25 | Winny | seperate* |
| 18:06.18 | Epyon | Winny, the funny thing is that there was no agreement on that :P |
| 18:06.34 | eTangenT | Epyon, what is it you were doing again? |
| 18:06.39 | JeffM | it's a seperate project |
| 18:06.43 | JeffM | ether plugin or app |
| 18:06.43 | Epyon | There are three possibilities -- separate program, server plugin, part of the server. |
| 18:06.46 | JeffM | that' was up to you |
| 18:06.58 | JeffM | part of server was discussed and rejected IIRC |
| 18:07.19 | Epyon | JeffM, well if so, I wasn't present at that discussion o.O |
| 18:07.26 | JeffM | IIRC you were |
| 18:07.32 | Epyon | o.O |
| 18:07.34 | JeffM | it was in the middle of other stuff |
| 18:07.45 | JeffM | I'd prefer to see it as a plug-in |
| 18:07.48 | JeffM | myself |
| 18:07.59 | JeffM | but if you made it generate maps that'd be fine too |
| 18:08.02 | Epyon | Kaaay, but that actually simplify matters. |
| 18:08.13 | eTangenT | ah, it's a better random world generator |
| 18:08.14 | eTangenT | :) |
| 18:08.16 | eTangenT | very cool |
| 18:08.25 | JeffM | why? |
| 18:08.34 | JeffM | so you can get a horrible review? :) |
| 18:08.40 | Epyon | But I guess 95% of the team would kill me if I used FP xP |
| 18:09.01 | JeffM | maintainability is a requirement |
| 18:09.11 | Epyon | My FP skills are l33t, my C++ skills are comercially acceptable. |
| 18:09.14 | JeffM | but what does the language offer over stuff like C++ or even C*? |
| 18:09.41 | Epyon | Nuthin, just the fact that it would speed up development, and I could reuse the code in my own development :) |
| 18:09.52 | Winny | Oh, I was going to ask, JeffM, what did you use in BZEdit for the 3d view? Did you make the engine? |
| 18:09.56 | spldart | Hrm... got kicked from borrogo.hepcat.org for tank to fast.... No cheat obviously |
| 18:10.02 | JeffM | but it would slow down maintainability |
| 18:10.06 | JeffM | Winny, there isn o engine |
| 18:10.08 | JeffM | no engine |
| 18:10.09 | Epyon | But I know that I'm a defender of a lost cause here, so I'll stick to C++. |
| 18:10.11 | JeffM | it's just some GL code |
| 18:10.19 | Winny | ah |
| 18:10.33 | JeffM | Epyon, I could see a case for something like C*, where the language has value add for what your doing |
| 18:10.48 | JeffM | but not a language noone else knows that offers no value add other then your own personal experince |
| 18:10.52 | JeffM | and eww.. pascall |
| 18:11.07 | Epyon | Winny, considering the world data, writing a viewer for a BZW scene shouldn't be too hard |
| 18:11.33 | Epyon | JeffM, no problem, I'm just a FP Crusader, that's all :P. It was worth a try ^_^ |
| 18:11.55 | JeffM | Winny, an "engine" is typicaly a set of drawing code that is made to be modular and contained |
| 18:12.01 | JeffM | and made to be somewhat generic and reusable |
| 18:12.06 | JeffM | not all drawing code is an "engine" |
| 18:12.15 | blast007 | spldart: what kind of framerate you get? |
| 18:12.20 | JeffM | drawing boxes and pyramdis are prety simple |
| 18:12.29 | spldart | emme check |
| 18:13.08 | Epyon | JeffM, C*? |
| 18:13.20 | JeffM | C# sorry |
| 18:13.24 | spldart | extremely busy server 60fps GeForce 6200 |
| 18:13.34 | blast007 | spldart: okay, nvm |
| 18:13.41 | Epyon | C# o.O |
| 18:13.55 | blast007 | Epyon: yeah, C#, go look it up |
| 18:13.57 | Epyon | It isn't much cross-platform, isn't it... |
| 18:13.58 | blast007 | C Sharp |
| 18:14.41 | blast007 | there's the Mono project |
| 18:14.50 | Epyon | JeffM, what's the current power of server-side plugins for BZF? |
| 18:15.36 | Epyon | in other words -- what are the things I should think about if I would consider changing my project into a plugin later? |
| 18:16.32 | JeffM | the API for adding objects is limited but it does exist |
| 18:16.38 | JeffM | it just needs to be expanded |
| 18:17.18 | Epyon | Because as I see it, I'll go for a separate app having a move to a plugin in mind. |
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| 18:17.42 | JeffM | well then you'll have to figure out the map format |
| 18:17.47 | JeffM | but tha'ts fine |
| 18:18.21 | Epyon | JeffM, I wrote a 3ds MAX exporter to BZW files for objects, so I feel quite confident with BZW now :P |
| 18:19.08 | Epyon | The only thing that is a mystery to me still is the way the engine decides what is passable and what not.... |
| 18:19.58 | Epyon | I'd like someone to help me on that, because without detailed info I couldn't come up with a reasonable way to choose "inside" and "outside" points :| |
| 18:20.47 | JeffM | like I said, it's not something that is simple to do automaticly |
| 18:20.51 | JeffM | hence why we have them |
| 18:21.05 | JeffM | if we could figure it out automaticly, then we'd do it for you |
| 18:21.35 | JeffM | I assume your going to be using some sort of base object for placment? like a building or something? |
| 18:21.44 | JeffM | and those will come from a library? |
| 18:21.44 | Epyon | does BZF/BZFS compile under MVS Express? |
| 18:22.20 | JeffM | yeah |
| 18:22.27 | Epyon | JeffM, if I'd had full freedom, I'd make the map as a single mesh -- but that would probably make the current in/out algorithm go wild :/ |
| 18:22.29 | JeffM | you have to get directX and the platform SDK |
| 18:22.39 | Epyon | directx??? |
| 18:22.43 | JeffM | Epyon, yeah don't do that |
| 18:22.46 | JeffM | yes directX |
| 18:22.57 | Epyon | I thought that BZF was using SDL?? |
| 18:23.02 | JeffM | on linux it is |
| 18:23.12 | JeffM | on windows it can, but does not for our default builds |
| 18:23.13 | Epyon | Why not on windows too? |
| 18:23.23 | JeffM | cus direct X has better support for some things |
| 18:23.30 | JeffM | and SDL just calls directX anyway |
| 18:23.40 | JeffM | you'll never have to see the code |
| 18:23.43 | JeffM | it's in platform |
| 18:23.53 | JeffM | sound, joystick and res swap mostly |
| 18:23.58 | Epyon | Yeah, especialy if I do a separate app. |
| 18:24.28 | Epyon | If I'd wanted some visualisation for the external app, I assume I can go with SDL/OpenGL> |
| 18:24.30 | Epyon | ? |
| 18:25.02 | Epyon | Also BZFS doesn't use DirectX nor rge platform SDK? |
| 18:26.02 | JeffM | you can do whatever you want in your own app |
| 18:26.09 | JeffM | and no, bzfs does not use platform |
| 18:26.12 | JeffM | so no directX |
| 18:28.35 | Epyon | any bzf modules I might find useful for my own app? |
| 18:29.56 | JeffM | probalby not |
| 18:30.11 | JeffM | the code you may need would be in BZFS proper, like spawns, and flag drops |
| 18:30.15 | JeffM | the rest is generic stuff |
| 18:33.43 | JeffM | I'd check with your mentor tho, as my opinion matters little anymore |
| 18:35.05 | Epyon | Okay, I'll hunt for him ;] |
| 18:35.24 | Epyon | Oh, and once again, I'm terribly sorry for being away up till now :( |
| 18:36.50 | JeffM | dtr is your guy? |
| 18:36.59 | JeffM | he'll be at church still IIRC |
| 18:37.16 | Epyon | Yeah dtr :) |
| 18:42.33 | Winny | pft, church |
| 18:43.27 | JeffM | Winny, if you want the instructions on how to draw the basic ojbects there is a doc in the new bzedit I started |
| 18:43.52 | Winny | is it on the forms? |
| 18:43.57 | Winny | forums, even |
| 18:45.10 | JeffM | no |
| 18:45.15 | JeffM | it is with the code |
| 18:45.16 | JeffM | in CVS |
| 18:45.51 | JeffM | tools/bzedit |
| 18:46.04 | Winny | ah |
| 18:46.49 | JeffM | it describbes the exact sizes and UV mapings of the box and pyramid objects |
| 18:46.56 | JeffM | and porters IIRC |
| 18:47.40 | Winny | CVS/SVN? or just CVS? |
| 18:48.05 | JeffM | CVS |
| 18:48.09 | Winny | kk |
| 18:48.09 | JeffM | it was not moved to SVN |
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| 18:52.11 | spldart | OMG there is too many servers! |
| 18:54.48 | Winny | yup |
| 18:55.09 | Winny | I think we need server groups. |
| 18:56.46 | TD-Linux | I should play BZ sometime this month. |
| 18:56.51 | TD-Linux | maybe today is a good day. |
| 19:00.00 | Winny | indeed it would be |
| 19:04.07 | spldart | Wow... got kicked from borrega.hepcat.org again for to fast... Poopies |
| 19:04.18 | spldart | runnin 2.0.9s8 |
| 19:09.42 | Winny | ok, thanks JeffM |
| 19:10.30 | spldart | Geez... when was the last time I played. |
| 19:10.38 | spldart | When was the last time I played this much?! |
| 19:17.13 | spldart | Tree D? |
| 19:18.24 | TD-Linux | well |
| 19:18.32 | TD-Linux | the area I live in is a slight anomalty |
| 19:18.40 | TD-Linux | it's based on a 2D hextile mapper |
| 19:22.19 | spldart | heh |
| 19:33.32 | jftsang | has tedius been on lately |
| 19:34.48 | tannerld | yesterday maybe? |
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| 19:54.03 | *** join/#bzflag QBeep (n=QuantumB@doc-24-32-46-104.leesville.la.cebridge.net) |
| 19:55.30 | QBeep | Apparent cheat server on first page |
| 19:55.41 | QBeep | sdf-eu.org |
| 19:55.49 | a_meteorite | that's not a cheat server QBeep |
| 19:55.58 | a_meteorite | well, it *shouldn't* be |
| 19:56.11 | tannerld | UNIX HACKERS |
| 19:56.12 | tannerld | heh |
| 19:56.15 | QBeep | You sure? |
| 19:56.22 | a_meteorite | I know the owner of SDF, he got me a server going on their free shell |
| 19:56.24 | QBeep | I quick join looks very suspicous |
| 19:56.29 | a_meteorite | it's laggy |
| 19:57.07 | QBeep | I've never noticed that server before, and it's stocked with bots name bzflagcheat.blogspot.com |
| 19:57.59 | tannerld | errr... |
| 19:58.07 | tannerld | 'tis empty? |
| 19:58.52 | QBeep | Ah, so they left |
| 19:59.10 | a_meteorite | that doesn't mean it's sponsored by them, QBeep |
| 19:59.17 | a_meteorite | it's just molez/DB having a grand time.. |
| 19:59.19 | QBeep | You're right. |
| 20:00.02 | QBeep | so, um, are they (molez and db)completely unbannable? |
| 20:00.46 | TD-Linux | pretty much |
| 20:00.46 | a_meteorite | yup, they use proxies now |
| 20:00.59 | *** join/#bzflag tupone (n=atupone@pdpc/supporter/active/Tupone) |
| 20:00.59 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v tupone] by ChanServ |
| 20:01.13 | a_meteorite | basically unstoppable until anti-cheating is done.. |
| 20:01.26 | QBeep | Wow. |
| 20:01.46 | a_meteorite | or every server has a competent admin staff |
| 20:01.49 | tupone | hola brlcad |
| 20:01.54 | QBeep | I can see why Jeff hates him |
| 20:01.59 | a_meteorite | and most top-page servers are run by complete idiots |
| 20:02.06 | blast007 | s/Jeff/*/ |
| 20:02.14 | tannerld | a_meteorite: heh |
| 20:02.23 | blast007 | like that "BZFX" server |
| 20:02.34 | a_meteorite | at least I have a competent admin staff |
| 20:02.52 | blast007 | so you're saying BZFS *is* run by complete idiots? |
| 20:02.53 | QBeep | Yes, many popular servers have no functioning admin |
| 20:02.57 | blast007 | BZFX* |
| 20:02.59 | a_meteorite | no |
| 20:03.15 | blast007 | you said "at least" not "no, " |
| 20:03.28 | a_meteorite | people may not like me for whatever reason, sure, but that doesn't make me an idiot |
| 20:03.43 | QBeep | I hate you, if that makes you feel any better. |
| 20:03.45 | a_meteorite | at least I can set-up a server properly, run some hit maps, and not post lame things on the bzbb |
| 20:04.02 | QBeep | Sentience on BZBB is a thing of the past |
| 20:04.14 | a_meteorite | QBeep: are you kidding? have you visited it recently? |
| 20:04.30 | JeffM | who do I hate? |
| 20:04.30 | a_meteorite | it's overrun by 10 year old kiddies posting a dozen topics for the same thing with IM speak |
| 20:04.51 | QBeep | Jeff: Molez and DB |
| 20:05.15 | JeffM | they are not unbanable, just everyone hates the thing they have to do to ban them |
| 20:05.18 | JeffM | go reg only |
| 20:05.29 | QBeep | Yeah, that's just not worth it in most cases |
| 20:05.30 | a_meteorite | which reduces about 50% of possible players |
| 20:05.39 | a_meteorite | making your top-page server third-class |
| 20:05.43 | JeffM | you just said they were UN bannable |
| 20:05.46 | JeffM | that is not true :) |
| 20:05.52 | QBeep | Yes, sir. |
| 20:06.02 | a_meteorite | it has a ripple effect, if less people play it, the others won't want to play because there is less people to play with |
| 20:06.20 | a_meteorite | so, sure, you CAN ban them, but them some other idiotic server would be their new playground |
| 20:06.20 | QBeep | On the whole, I'm not sure why BZflag can be played without registration at all |
| 20:06.54 | QBeep | Yeah, there's so many servers out there. It's like trying to outlaw fornication. |
| 20:07.25 | a_meteorite | exactly, whatever you do some other server will be their new playground while the well-ran ones will not want to be played on for lack of players |
| 20:07.35 | JeffM | then maybe the entire system is flawed, let it die and make soething new |
| 20:07.45 | JeffM | if one person can bring it down it's flawed |
| 20:07.48 | *** join/#bzflag jude- (n=jude@c-68-84-206-92.hsd1.az.comcast.net) |
| 20:07.53 | QBeep | I say we just hire a hitman |
| 20:07.54 | jude- | hello all |
| 20:08.06 | QBeep | And give those fools what they deserve. |
| 20:08.09 | Epyon | jude-, hello :) |
| 20:08.10 | QBeep | Castration. |
| 20:08.14 | a_meteorite | I don't think it'll bring it down, I just think it makes it very annoying until they give up again |
| 20:08.18 | tannerld | hi jude- |
| 20:08.24 | a_meteorite | *very* annoying |
| 20:08.26 | jude- | QBeep: O.o ??? |
| 20:08.41 | JeffM | they won't give up as long as they are anoying people |
| 20:08.46 | JeffM | to them THAT is the game |
| 20:08.51 | JeffM | they will play it as long as you do |
| 20:09.16 | a_meteorite | I just do my job, ban them when I see them or hear of them. not much else I can do, JeffM, and if that is playing their game, what should I do? |
| 20:09.19 | Epyon | jude-, will your editor be able to load any BZW file, or only those it created itself? |
| 20:09.34 | jude- | Epyon: any file |
| 20:09.55 | JeffM | a_meteorite, work on fixing it at a higher level |
| 20:09.57 | JeffM | educate users |
| 20:10.01 | JeffM | find ways to get em reged |
| 20:10.02 | Epyon | jude-, when (approx) will the BZW loading be implemented? |
| 20:10.04 | a_meteorite | jude-: what about objects or params that aren't implemented? it won't delete those will it? :) |
| 20:10.09 | JeffM | there are many solutions |
| 20:10.14 | jude- | Epyon: by June 15th, I hope |
| 20:10.20 | Epyon | Hmm, ok |
| 20:10.25 | JeffM | just most peopel are stuck in the mentality of "well this is the way it is" and that's pathetic. |
| 20:10.29 | a_meteorite | of course, but coordinating a large scale switch at the server level is almost impossible, JeffM |
| 20:10.41 | Epyon | There's no other "BZW viewer" available, I guess? |
| 20:10.51 | jude- | Epyon: BZWTools for Blender |
| 20:10.58 | jude- | doesn't support everything, though |
| 20:11.03 | a_meteorite | one could implement that on all their servers, but ones that aren't maintained (think: like 100 of the servers out there) will be the new thing |
| 20:11.05 | JeffM | a_meteorite, only if you belive they are |
| 20:11.21 | jude- | sorry Epyon, that's the best one there is at the moment |
| 20:11.21 | a_meteorite | and if they're not maintained, the likelihood they'll switch is low.. |
| 20:11.25 | JeffM | you could work on geting a better system in the next release, or an interm release |
| 20:11.32 | a_meteorite | true |
| 20:11.37 | JeffM | there are many solutions |
| 20:11.42 | JeffM | you only see the ones you can not do |
| 20:11.55 | jude- | a_meteorite: I'm working on that now :) |
| 20:12.08 | JeffM | that is why I see it's death |
| 20:12.20 | a_meteorite | isn't better list server functionality in for gsoc? |
| 20:12.20 | JeffM | ants running around after the watter has been poured in it's hive |
| 20:12.22 | a_meteorite | jude-: ahh |
| 20:12.27 | JeffM | a_meteorite, no |
| 20:12.33 | JeffM | the SoC is not your savior |
| 20:12.47 | JeffM | another reason it is dying, everyone thinks that it is |
| 20:12.48 | a_meteorite | I thought there was something list server related planned, I'd need to look |
| 20:12.57 | JeffM | no |
| 20:13.10 | JeffM | map, random, AI, and server com |
| 20:13.12 | JeffM | that's IT |
| 20:13.22 | a_meteorite | oh, server communication... that's right |
| 20:13.24 | JeffM | and it's not the list server that is the problem |
| 20:13.31 | JeffM | it's the end user experince and the clients |
| 20:13.36 | JeffM | our current reg system WORKS |
| 20:14.48 | JeffM | it's just not apperant what users should DO |
| 20:14.48 | QBeep | I think the clients should require registration. |
| 20:14.48 | a_meteorite | like register within the client? :) |
| 20:14.48 | *** join/#bzflag Deepa (n=deepa@wrongplanet/deepa) |
| 20:14.48 | JeffM | or at least on install |
| 20:14.48 | QBeep | Visiting a forum to register a nick for a video game seems ugly. |
| 20:14.49 | JeffM | indeed |
| 20:14.49 | JeffM | thank tim for that wonderfull forsight |
| 20:14.49 | *** join/#bzflag tuxd00d (n=tuxinato@128.187.178.29) |
| 20:14.53 | JeffM | have the client reg |
| 20:14.55 | QBeep | You don't really have to rework the client if you don't want to. |
| 20:15.08 | JeffM | only show a single or a couple servers untill they verify the e-mail |
| 20:15.12 | blast007 | JeffM: technically, it was originally going to have registration right on the list server |
| 20:15.14 | JeffM | when they verify they get ther rest |
| 20:15.22 | blast007 | and that was put in before the forum was tied in |
| 20:15.23 | QBeep | Just write a little registration widget that runs on install, registers over the web, and drops credentials into the BZ config. |
| 20:15.38 | JeffM | blast007, yeah that'd be EVEN BETTER! :) |
| 20:15.38 | blast007 | there is a "REGISTER" and "CONFIRM" listserv action |
| 20:15.46 | JeffM | yeah, it's not well planned out |
| 20:16.02 | short_circuit | Poop... solar noise is getting to knock a packet or two out of my connection on a regular basis.. cannot play till it starts setting |
| 20:16.21 | a_meteorite | short_circuit: you use satellite internet? |
| 20:16.27 | short_circuit | No |
| 20:16.40 | QBeep | What makes you think it's solar interference? |
| 20:17.00 | a_meteorite | solar noise on a regular line... that's news to me? |
| 20:17.07 | short_circuit | But when you do G hops over a mile away you can watch background noise go up as the sun does and go down when it does |
| 20:17.08 | blast007 | QBeep: probably because tech support said "oh, uh, let's see.... solar flares" |
| 20:17.27 | JeffM | he could be wireless |
| 20:17.29 | a_meteorite | ahhh |
| 20:17.31 | purple_cow | solar interference? |
| 20:17.37 | purple_cow | please tell me you are joking |
| 20:17.39 | JeffM | there is more net then just wires and set |
| 20:17.42 | short_circuit | You guys are used to wifi no more than 100 feet or maybe yards |
| 20:17.45 | QBeep | I'm thinking that his network has more traffic during the day. |
| 20:17.45 | JeffM | but yeah |
| 20:17.55 | JeffM | it's probalby thermal expansion |
| 20:18.04 | JeffM | more then sunspot activity |
| 20:18.07 | purple_cow | augh |
| 20:18.36 | DTRemenak | oh, hi, btw |
| 20:18.38 | short_circuit | All communications past 1 or 2 ghz on up gets more background noise during day then night |
| 20:18.43 | QBeep | Or maybe it is the influence of Satan. |
| 20:18.52 | JeffM | there could be other RF trafic that causes interfence during the day too |
| 20:18.53 | a_meteorite | QBeep: magnetic properties! |
| 20:18.57 | JeffM | for a long hop |
| 20:19.07 | JeffM | like a store that does wireless stuff |
| 20:19.29 | DTRemenak | Epyon: good to see you around |
| 20:19.30 | short_circuit | I've eliminated most... And a very cloudy day has lower noise due to additional blocking of some of the rf noise by clouds |
| 20:20.03 | short_circuit | Now if it gets rainy... forget about it |
| 20:21.07 | a_meteorite | ahh, you're spldart, long time no see :) |
| 20:21.14 | spldart | Tis funny... Don't forget I'm a ham radio operator with some decent wave propogation theory under my belt... And a pro e-tech of 22 years |
| 20:21.43 | spldart | Hi... Taking a day to check out what's goin on in my favorite game world and download some stuff |
| 20:21.44 | DTRemenak | Epyon: I don't care where it ends up being put (tho I tend to prefer plugin personally). Please please please don't use pascal though :) |
| 20:21.46 | QBeep | Okay, fine, you know more about this than me. |
| 20:22.08 | QBeep | I say we outlaw the sun. |
| 20:22.08 | spldart | transmit power?... it's up most of the way |
| 20:22.51 | Epyon | DTRemenak, I'm very sorry I was silent till now, had a logt of unexpected problems :( |
| 20:23.00 | spldart | Otherwise I can't hit the AP |
| 20:23.00 | spldart | I can just hear it |
| 20:23.07 | spldart | In fact that is the limit of my current rig... transmit power of the card... I can hear way farther than I can hit. |
| 20:23.10 | Epyon | DTRemenak, and don't worry, I won't use pascal :P |
| 20:23.41 | Epyon | DTRemenak, I just wonder what should I keep in mind if I intend to pluginize it later. |
| 20:24.26 | Epyon | DTRemenak, mainly the question how would map data be transfered to BZFS -- through temporary BZW map file? Or by other means? |
| 20:24.32 | spldart | Actually... Selectivity of the tuner is a problem to but to a lesser degree.... |
| 20:25.36 | DTRemenak | Epyon: iirc the API has a function to fetch map data |
| 20:25.47 | JeffM | it'd be trivial to make a plugin that called your app, and make bzs run that mao |
| 20:25.56 | JeffM | DTRemenak, it's not complete |
| 20:26.00 | DTRemenak | if it does not, it can be done |
| 20:26.07 | JeffM | there are 2 ways a plugin can do maps |
| 20:26.14 | JeffM | it can 1) tell bzfs where the map is |
| 20:26.27 | JeffM | or 2) call "add object" functions during the "generate world" callback |
| 20:26.34 | JeffM | and that overides any passed in map file |
| 20:26.39 | DTRemenak | yeah, the add object stuff is what I was thinking of |
| 20:26.44 | Epyon | Well, because outputing to BZF would have the added benefit that a map that the users like can be saved for the future |
| 20:26.48 | JeffM | it dosn't have mesh support |
| 20:26.57 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 20:26.57 | JeffM | Epyon, that can be done with a client |
| 20:27.08 | JeffM | or even the plugin can tell bzfs to save the map file as a cacheout |
| 20:27.14 | Epyon | Ah o.O |
| 20:28.01 | Epyon | I'm gonna need some tools... what does bzf use for 3d math? |
| 20:28.10 | JeffM | C |
| 20:28.12 | DTRemenak | use? :) |
| 20:28.16 | DTRemenak | it just does it :) |
| 20:28.16 | tannerld | lol |
| 20:28.20 | JeffM | we don't have a math lib |
| 20:28.21 | Epyon | I mean library -_- |
| 20:28.24 | Epyon | o.O |
| 20:28.28 | Epyon | No kiddin'! |
| 20:28.31 | JeffM | it dosnt' do that much math |
| 20:28.32 | TD-Linux | I don't even remember seeing matrices in there :P |
| 20:28.39 | JeffM | dude, bzflag is old |
| 20:28.45 | JeffM | 13years + |
| 20:28.49 | JeffM | no libs |
| 20:28.49 | JeffM | code |
| 20:28.54 | purple_cow | I think we do some dot products |
| 20:28.58 | DTRemenak | you're welcome to depend on boost or some other lightweight portable library |
| 20:28.59 | JeffM | we do matrix stuff |
| 20:29.02 | Epyon | Well, I need one, will have to find one. |
| 20:29.02 | JeffM | we just do it ourself |
| 20:29.15 | DTRemenak | or write your own :) |
| 20:29.21 | JeffM | bzedit has a simple math class for some stuff |
| 20:29.28 | Epyon | Nah, I just need basic vector/matrix/quat library |
| 20:29.36 | JeffM | quat's I didn't do |
| 20:29.40 | JeffM | vector and matrix sure |
| 20:29.55 | JeffM | if you want to do it as a plug-in you can put the math code in the plugin utility lib |
| 20:30.02 | Epyon | I think I wrote one ages ago for C++, but it might be very suboptimal. |
| 20:30.14 | DTRemenak | dude, map generation does not need to be optimal :) |
| 20:30.30 | DTRemenak | time for generation is close to irrelevant |
| 20:30.39 | DTRemenak | if it wants to take a minute or two that's cool |
| 20:30.47 | Epyon | DTRemenak, as long as it's precalulated :P. For an old project I did that on the fly xP |
| 20:31.09 | DTRemenak | all our maps are static |
| 20:31.12 | Epyon | But it was in Free Pascal, and I did a full blown 3d math lib for that :P |
| 20:31.15 | DTRemenak | generate once :) |
| 20:31.26 | Epyon | ...play everywhere xP |
| 20:31.30 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 20:31.57 | Epyon | okay... what about data files? |
| 20:32.04 | Epyon | text-files that is... |
| 20:32.04 | spldart | poop... hadda iwconfig cap my bitrate to 5.5 to keep from dropping packets |
| 20:32.20 | DTRemenak | data files are fine, we can install them to the data dir |
| 20:32.39 | JeffM | traditionaly the server dosn't use any files from the data dir tho |
| 20:32.47 | Epyon | guess I can come up with the format myself? No XML zealots here? |
| 20:32.51 | spldart | hrm.. maybe I can play now........ |
| 20:32.55 | DTRemenak | just 'cause it doesn't need to, JeffM |
| 20:33.01 | purple_cow | depends what you mean by "zealot" ;-) |
| 20:33.31 | JeffM | a standardised format would be good |
| 20:33.36 | JeffM | if it's not too much trouble |
| 20:33.43 | JeffM | there are simple xml parers out there |
| 20:33.44 | DTRemenak | Epyon: there're no "use xml for everything" zealots that I know of :) |
| 20:33.46 | TD-Linux | format for what? |
| 20:33.48 | QBeep | Some mesh maps take 30 seconds to download over broadband. Using XML would make playin over dialup impossible. |
| 20:33.49 | *** join/#bzflag SpazzyMcGee (n=Spazzy_M@client-81-107-208-107.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) |
| 20:34.06 | DTRemenak | QBeep: Epyon is talking about input data files for the map generator |
| 20:34.07 | TD-Linux | it wouldn't make a difference, QBeep |
| 20:34.14 | DTRemenak | i.e. nothing that is transfered to the client |
| 20:34.19 | TD-Linux | the map is tokenized and compressed anyway :P |
| 20:34.27 | Epyon | DTRemenak, I've seen people who use XML as a scripting language base so... better check -_- |
| 20:34.27 | Chestal | is the input data file meant to be written by humans? |
| 20:34.30 | purple_cow | but noone listens to me |
| 20:34.43 | spldart | Yahtzee |
| 20:34.52 | TD-Linux | XML isn't very good for writing stuff by humans :P |
| 20:34.56 | Chestal | I feel dirty when I have to edit XML |
| 20:34.57 | DTRemenak | Epyon: as you can see, we may have a few "anti-xml" zealots wandering around, but don't let that scare you if you're set on it |
| 20:34.58 | TD-Linux | too much junk to type |
| 20:35.03 | JeffM | if the map generator is an app, there is no reason to tie the input files to bzflag data dir |
| 20:35.20 | DTRemenak | JeffM: I'd rather have it be something we can distribute with the server |
| 20:35.35 | JeffM | I'd make it have it's own data dir then |
| 20:35.39 | JeffM | so it can go ether way |
| 20:35.41 | Epyon | JeffM, it will be an app, but I want it in the future to work both as an app as well as a plugin. |
| 20:35.48 | DTRemenak | so when people say "how to I get a better map" we can say "add -plugin thigny to the commandline |
| 20:36.07 | JeffM | sure tha'ts just more install in the package |
| 20:36.17 | JeffM | but your his mentor :) |
| 20:36.24 | JeffM | and I've gone purple cow |
| 20:36.44 | purple_cow | you've decide to complain a lot but not actually do very much? |
| 20:37.07 | JeffM | hell yeah |
| 20:37.11 | purple_cow | sweet |
| 20:37.12 | blast007 | :) |
| 20:37.37 | DTRemenak | JeffM: for ease of management on unixish filesystem heirarchies, it's best for "all our data" to be in one place. it's not like windows where we can just create crap wherever. |
| 20:37.56 | DTRemenak | not to mention we already have a system set up for home directory data overrides and so on |
| 20:37.59 | purple_cow | yes it is, you just have to add rules in your makefile.am |
| 20:38.03 | JeffM | as I saidyour his mentor |
| 20:38.19 | JeffM | there is 0 need to convince me |
| 20:38.27 | DTRemenak | purple_cow: sure, but it's not polite to spew junk all over someone's system :) |
| 20:38.48 | DTRemenak | it's expected on windows :) |
| 20:38.57 | purple_cow | doesn't mean it's polite :) |
| 20:39.00 | DTRemenak | true enough |
| 20:39.57 | spldart | heh |
| 20:40.18 | TD-Linux | JeffM, you have the opposite problem I do |
| 20:40.49 | spldart | I'm anti xml but not a zealot at suck |
| 20:40.52 | spldart | LOL |
| 20:40.54 | spldart | @ such |
| 20:41.21 | DTRemenak | JeffM: you have the Saga rulebook, I'm sure you could come up with a nifty gm-assist app or something :) |
| 20:41.46 | JeffM | Chris Has it |
| 20:41.50 | DTRemenak | ahh |
| 20:42.15 | JeffM | I thought about doing a map/combat thingy |
| 20:42.26 | JeffM | but the legality of releasing it would be too iffy |
| 20:43.26 | DTRemenak | I suppose you don't have to release it generally :) |
| 20:43.43 | JeffM | then that makes it MEH for me to do |
| 20:43.49 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 20:43.58 | jude- | a_meteorite: okay, BZWB has been modified to save parameters that it couldn't use |
| 20:44.14 | a_meteorite | k |
| 20:47.19 | blast007 | is there any "plan" (sorry to use the P word) for IPv6 support in BZFlag? |
| 20:48.11 | blast007 | mainly wondering if it was be added in 2.1/2.2 |
| 20:48.16 | DTRemenak | blast007: TimRiker is the man to talk to about that...I'm pretty sure he's the last to touch the ipv6 stuff |
| 20:48.19 | blast007 | s/was/will/ |
| 20:48.25 | blast007 | k |
| 20:48.46 | DTRemenak | you're always welcome to add it yourself, too... :) |
| 20:48.53 | blast007 | hah |
| 20:49.09 | blast007 | I'm mainly wondering in regards to the list server ;) |
| 20:50.28 | blast007 | IPv6 uses colons as their number seperators? |
| 20:51.18 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 20:51.51 | Winny | who needs ip6? We can just string LAN cables to all the BZ houses ;) |
| 20:51.56 | blast007 | our current list system does stuff like 74.79.248.126:5156 (combines name and port) |
| 20:52.57 | blast007 | so either we seperate name and port, or we always force SOME port to be shown (for IPv6 support) |
| 20:53.16 | blast007 | in any case, just some planning to be done |
| 20:53.35 | DTRemenak | ahhh, it's That Word again |
| 20:53.49 | blast007 | internally in my bzfls.php, I'm seperating it out for easier processing and validation |
| 20:54.15 | blast007 | though maybe it was before too, /me shrugs |
| 21:04.43 | Winny | wb |
| 21:07.24 | Winny | pft, even if you were working on BZWB? ;) |
| 21:07.43 | jude- | no choice |
| 21:12.56 | CBG | hence the "had to" ;) |
| 21:14.11 | jude- | inded |
| 21:14.12 | jude- | *indeed |
| 21:14.58 | CBG | cute. |
| 21:15.33 | KTL | linkedln was the site around professional profiles right? |
| 21:15.41 | KTL | linkedin |
| 21:16.23 | tannerld | yeah |
| 21:17.02 | KTL | i hate passwords, never know where to put them or from where to get them |
| 21:17.45 | KTL | and i can not just use the same pwd for multiple sites because if one breaks all of them do |
| 21:18.35 | *** join/#bzflag Tedius (n=Tedius@adsl-76-205-83-204.dsl.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net) |
| 21:31.14 | catay | KTL: use a password manager :p |
| 21:31.26 | KTL | i don't even trust my hard disk ... |
| 21:31.43 | KTL | and i remember a time i did try the kde wallet |
| 21:32.01 | KTL | and my pc ... crashed sometimes resulting in information loss on the hd |
| 21:32.11 | catay | take backups :) |
| 21:32.16 | KTL | and of course the file that always got killed was the one with the passwords |
| 21:32.43 | KTL | so someone only has to find a lonely backup and run a password cracker against it? |
| 21:32.52 | KTL | paranoid |
| 21:32.57 | catay | buy a safe :p |
| 21:33.01 | tannerld | KTL: password manager on a usb drive? |
| 21:33.07 | blast007 | lock your house |
| 21:33.12 | KTL | what if i fall in the water with it |
| 21:33.25 | tannerld | KTL: make two |
| 21:33.27 | Winny | what if I get hit by lightning while balancing on a ball? |
| 21:33.41 | blast007 | Winny: the circus will lose their star |
| 21:33.42 | tannerld | one in the bank's saftey deposit box, one with you |
| 21:33.49 | tannerld | blast007: lol |
| 21:33.51 | KTL | hehe |
| 21:34.00 | Winny | I know :'"( |
| 21:34.03 | KTL | the bank mmm ... sounds cool |
| 21:34.31 | KTL | i hear there are some bunkers in england |
| 21:34.38 | KTL | to survive a nuclear war |
| 21:34.48 | KTL | and the government sold it to a server compandy |
| 21:35.02 | Winny | I wanna live there |
| 21:35.10 | KTL | not even an insect gets in |
| 21:35.10 | blast007 | "Even if the world ends, you can still check your email!" |
| 21:35.17 | KTL | :) |
| 21:35.27 | Winny | "For a small fee..." |
| 21:35.29 | blast007 | "And it will STILL be spam!" |
| 21:35.33 | tannerld | lol |
| 21:35.41 | Winny | haha |
| 21:35.53 | KTL | last living thing on the planet |
| 21:35.56 | KTL | little spammicrobe |
| 21:36.00 | tannerld | "Feel like the world is ending tomorrow? Buy levitra to stop that" |
| 21:36.19 | jude- | "Feel like the world is ending tomorrow? Give your computer to jude-!" |
| 21:36.41 | Winny | "The worlds ending? Get some Cialias and forget about." |
| 21:36.46 | Winny | :p |
| 21:36.51 | blast007 | about what? |
| 21:36.55 | tannerld | lol |
| 21:37.01 | Winny | hehe |
| 21:37.02 | jude- | "There is not enough evidence to suggest that the world is ending..." |
| 21:37.29 | jude- | "We cannot justify spending billions of taxpayer's money on something we do now know is happennin..." |
| 21:38.36 | Winny | :) |
| 21:39.26 | jude- | Well, that's how they'll respond until they look out the window and see a nuclear blast destroyin Baltimore... |
| 21:39.50 | Winny | \why baltimore? |
| 21:39.58 | jude- | close to the capitol |
| 21:40.00 | Winny | why not detroit? |
| 21:40.09 | jude- | but far enough away from it to not kill the congressmen |
| 21:40.32 | Winny | the only city Ive ever heard of to have "daily crime alerts" as a special section of news. |
| 21:40.49 | jude- | KTL: don't store your passwords in Detroit |
| 21:40.52 | KTL | hehe |
| 21:41.07 | KTL | I'll store them in insane complexity |
| 21:41.51 | jude- | put them on an encrypted LVM and then encrypt the file with a white noise cypher that you create by random mouse movements and random packet information |
| 21:42.52 | jude- | I wonder if anyone's written a program that generates a white noise cypher from random mouse movements... |
| 21:42.58 | Winny | someone wanna nuke this topic? http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=10922 ... |
| 21:43.25 | jude- | sure |
| 21:43.31 | jude- | why not? |
| 21:43.33 | Winny | he clearly can't read the forum |
| 21:43.44 | Winny | there are countless posts on the subject |
| 21:43.48 | blast007 | *poof* |
| 21:44.02 | jude- | it amazes me that he couldn't figure out how to start a server from the BZFlag client |
| 21:45.35 | Winny | blast007, your my hero :p |
| 21:45.35 | blast007 | you're* |
| 21:45.35 | Winny | indeed |
| 21:45.35 | blast007 | jude-: that doesn't always seem to work |
| 21:45.35 | Winny | their spelling is rubbing off on me... eek! |
| 21:45.36 | blast007 | Winny: ohnoes! teh horor!! |
| 21:45.36 | jude- | even then, it's not terribly difficult to RTFM and know how to launch bzfs... |
| 21:45.36 | blast007 | yeah |
| 21:45.36 | blast007 | most of the ones that ask have no idea what the command prompt is |
| 21:45.36 | Winny | was I that bad when I started? |
| 21:45.36 | blast007 | probably |
| 21:45.40 | blast007 | I wasn't, cuz I didn't talk when I first started :P |
| 21:46.04 | blast007 | hmm, nah, I probably was a n00b too |
| 21:46.07 | blast007 | just not on the forum |
| 21:46.13 | a_meteorite | Winny: aw, I was just replying to that! |
| 21:46.18 | a_meteorite | I was about to lay it onto him |
| 21:46.25 | Winny | PM it? ;) |
| 21:46.26 | a_meteorite | nice and thick |
| 21:46.47 | Winny | can I read it? |
| 21:47.10 | a_meteorite | sure |
| 21:49.54 | TD-Linux | jude-, I think the GNU GPG key generator does that |
| 21:50.46 | jude- | cool |
| 21:51.31 | TD-Linux | at least it says, 'move the mouse around a little' |
| 22:01.42 | blast007 | what is the address '0.0.0.0' called? |
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| 22:05.05 | jude- | null? |
| 22:05.46 | blast007 | it's used to listen on all network interfaces |
| 22:05.47 | a_meteorite | blast007: well, that's used for binding usually... it'll accept connections from any IP/hostname on the machine |
| 22:05.52 | a_meteorite | right |
| 22:06.00 | blast007 | is there a name for it? |
| 22:06.13 | a_meteorite | a constant name? |
| 22:06.40 | a_meteorite | IP_ANYADDR iirc |
| 22:07.18 | Winny | good luck ;) |
| 22:07.29 | blast007 | Winny: why's that? ;) |
| 22:07.32 | a_meteorite | dunno.. that's what is commonly used I think |
| 22:07.41 | Winny | well, I can give you bad luck if you wish |
| 22:07.59 | blast007 | Winny: I'm starting from scratch, basically |
| 22:08.05 | blast007 | just making it work the same |
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| 22:30.18 | jude- | woot! only 7 objects left to implement in BZWB! And two of them will take less than 10 minutes! |
| 22:30.40 | CBG | ~jude-++ |
| 22:30.54 | jude- | did I say two? I meant three |
| 22:31.14 | jude- | after that...Dialog Boxes! |
| 22:31.14 | tannerld | ~jude++ |
| 22:32.16 | jude- | thanks tannerld |
| 22:32.18 | jude- | ;) |
| 22:32.22 | tannerld | heh |
| 22:32.44 | tannerld | what jude doesn't know that the cupcake was 7/8 caffine O.o |
| 22:34.25 | CBG | jude-: you do have the whole _Summer_.. you know that right? :D |
| 22:35.11 | jude- | CGB: yeah, I know |
| 22:35.27 | jude- | I want to have extra time for the 3D scene |
| 22:35.30 | jude- | and for beta testing |
| 22:36.09 | jude- | besides, the dialog boxes will take longer to implement |
| 22:36.10 | blast007 | I for one welcome our beta testing overlords |
| 22:36.13 | a_meteorite | does BZWB have an interface..? |
| 22:36.18 | a_meteorite | yet? |
| 22:36.28 | jude- | a_meteorite: the one in SVN has its interface disabled |
| 22:36.32 | jude- | right now I'm working on the data model |
| 22:36.51 | jude- | and the load/save/parse/"catch syntax errors" features of the editor |
| 22:37.15 | jude- | once that's in place and tested enough, the dialog boxes won't take nearly as long |
| 22:37.20 | jude- | as I thought they might |
| 22:39.46 | a_meteorite | 20 days. nice. |
| 22:41.28 | jude- | ...six more objects to go... |
| 22:44.34 | jude- | question about the "sphere" object: if I specify a size AND a radius, the radius overrides the size, right? |
| 22:52.05 | jude- | that would be a "yes" |
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| 23:08.25 | jude- | ...five more objects... |
| 23:09.40 | jude- | only "define", "mesh", "link", "dynamicColor", "texturematrix", and "tetrahedron" to go |
| 23:09.43 | jude- | *six objects |
| 23:09.59 | jude- | (will be five soon) |
| 23:10.35 | Winny | jude-, how many hours do you think you've put into BZWB? |
| 23:10.47 | CBG | 25 mins so far :P |
| 23:11.06 | jude- | Winny: dunno |
| 23:11.13 | Winny | guess? :p |
| 23:11.22 | jude- | between 30 and 90 hours |
| 23:11.28 | jude- | like I said, I'm not sure |
| 23:11.36 | Winny | k |
| 23:12.15 | blast007 | you're supposed to use a stop watch! ;D |
| 23:12.37 | Winny | yes, we pay 2 cents per hour :p |
| 23:13.03 | blast007 | Winny: that's only YOUR wage |
| 23:13.26 | Winny | is there something I havent been told? |
| 23:13.33 | Winny | I guess I missed that meeting :p |
| 23:13.42 | blast007 | nope, nope, nothing about slave wages or anything like that |
| 23:13.50 | blast007 | now get back to work, Winny |
| 23:14.04 | Winny | hey, I'm being nice and making my gold plated terd known as a program for free. |
| 23:14.34 | Winny | ;) |
| 23:14.43 | jude- | don't be so hard on yourself |
| 23:14.49 | blast007 | oh, I was gonna give you a raise, but if you're willing to work for free... ;) |
| 23:18.27 | jude- | lol |
| 23:18.38 | jude- | why not WinnyThePooh? |
| 23:18.55 | blast007 | ChristopherRobins! |
| 23:19.07 | WinnyTheSlave | Cause I hate that show so much. |
| 23:19.12 | jude- | lol |
| 23:25.38 | jude- | brb |
| 23:25.59 | Winny | phew, I thought you were leaving for good... l( |
| 23:26.02 | Winny | ;)* |
| 23:37.26 | jude- | back |
| 23:40.07 | Winny | you scared away poor poor DTRemenak! :( |
| 23:42.08 | jude- | whoops |