| 00:00.42 | jude- | should I even bother implementing the box object when there's meshbox? |
| 00:01.16 | L4m3r | yes |
| 00:01.25 | L4m3r | the box object actually has some different qualities |
| 00:01.55 | L4m3r | for instance, I don't think you can teleport from the ground to a meshbox, only a regular box will work |
| 00:02.13 | jude- | O.o |
| 00:02.20 | L4m3r | it's really wonky |
| 00:02.42 | jude- | how? |
| 00:03.02 | L4m3r | the difference in nature between 1.x and 2.x objects |
| 00:03.03 | jude- | according to the documentation, you can only teleport from other teleporters to a teleporter |
| 00:03.16 | L4m3r | oh, heh, that's what I meant |
| 00:03.22 | L4m3r | say you stick a tele on the ground |
| 00:03.26 | L4m3r | and another on a box |
| 00:03.50 | L4m3r | you can go through. now, if the box were a meshbox, or a mesh, or any other 2.x object, you'd get stuck in the tele |
| 00:04.10 | L4m3r | similarly, you get caught on a seam between a regular old box and a meshbox |
| 00:04.29 | jude- | how would you get stuck? |
| 00:04.39 | L4m3r | your tank would stop moving foward |
| 00:04.45 | L4m3r | you could back out, of course |
| 00:04.48 | jude- | why? That makes no sense at all |
| 00:04.58 | L4m3r | it's a collision, basically |
| 00:05.23 | L4m3r | iirc it has somethingorother to do with floating-point innaccuracies |
| 00:05.35 | jude- | so, if it were just a box, I could pass through it if I teleported into it? |
| 00:05.41 | L4m3r | no |
| 00:05.51 | L4m3r | I'm talking about if the second tele were on top of the box |
| 00:06.02 | L4m3r | but yeah |
| 00:06.19 | jude- | ~lart trepan |
| 00:06.19 | ibot | nabs the moon and broadsides trepan with the sea of tranquility |
| 00:06.37 | L4m3r | not necessarily his fault |
| 00:06.44 | jude- | he wrote the mesh collision code, yes? |
| 00:07.00 | L4m3r | he wrote most of the mesh stuff iirc |
| 00:07.09 | L4m3r | but it's a more general problem |
| 00:07.38 | L4m3r | you can get unwanted collisions from seams in plain meshes, if you use too many transformations :) |
| 00:08.01 | jude- | seams...do you mean edges? |
| 00:08.09 | L4m3r | yes |
| 00:08.17 | L4m3r | touching edges. seams :P |
| 00:08.26 | *** join/#bzflag Jefenry (n=jeffreyd@pool-162-83-124-239.norf.east.verizon.net) |
| 00:08.36 | jude- | that's an interesting problem |
| 00:08.47 | jude- | how to write BZWorkbench so it can warn its user of that pitfall |
| 00:09.04 | jude- | "don't put a teleporter on a Meshbox--you'll get stuck!" |
| 00:09.12 | L4m3r | not so much |
| 00:09.21 | L4m3r | you can have it teleport from meshbox to meshbox |
| 00:09.28 | L4m3r | or from meshbox to box |
| 00:09.38 | L4m3r | just not from ground/box to meshbox, mesh, etc |
| 00:09.40 | L4m3r | iirc |
| 00:09.52 | jude- | O.o |
| 00:10.18 | L4m3r | probably more trouble than it's worth to make a warning |
| 00:11.37 | L4m3r | something about the driving surfaces is different in 1.x and 2.x objects |
| 00:11.50 | L4m3r | and unfortunately the ground counts as a 1.x surface :P |
| 00:15.53 | jude- | so, is it "physics" or "phydrv" |
| 00:15.54 | jude- | ? |
| 00:16.20 | L4m3r | depends |
| 00:16.27 | L4m3r | the object is declared as physics |
| 00:16.32 | L4m3r | but referenced as phydrv |
| 00:16.47 | jude- | ah |
| 00:17.06 | jude- | also, "tetra" or "tetrahedron"? |
| 00:17.21 | L4m3r | dunno |
| 00:17.23 | L4m3r | never used those |
| 00:29.44 | jude- | woohoo! I'm going to be a lab TA next semester! |
| 00:33.44 | *** join/#bzflag Pimpi_ (n=frank@gondolin.pimpi.org) |
| 00:34.10 | *** join/#bzflag rob1n (n=emp@unaffiliated/rob1n) |
| 00:53.42 | *** join/#bzflag davemicc (n=c2water@cpe-071-071-001-026.triad.res.rr.com) |
| 00:59.34 | *** join/#bzflag tuxd00d (n=tuxinato@128.187.163.72) |
| 00:59.37 | eTangenT_ | jude-: lab ta? |
| 00:59.42 | jude- | ya |
| 00:59.49 | eTangenT_ | wassat? |
| 00:59.55 | jude- | teaching assistant |
| 01:00.17 | eTangenT_ | oh |
| 01:00.19 | eTangenT_ | nice |
| 01:00.19 | jude- | I get to help teach CSC 245 (introduction to discrete math) |
| 01:00.52 | jude- | ...and get payed for it! |
| 01:00.59 | eTangenT_ | rawk |
| 01:01.04 | jude- | *paid |
| 01:01.16 | eTangenT_ | spelling is important, too. :P |
| 01:01.19 | jude- | lol |
| 01:01.21 | jude- | not in math :P |
| 01:01.29 | tannerld | lol |
| 01:01.31 | eTangenT_ | hah |
| 01:02.26 | eTangenT_ | yeah, I'm gonna be going up to CSU as a freshman next year |
| 01:02.33 | eTangenT_ | majoring in Comp Sci. |
| 01:03.01 | jude- | nice |
| 01:03.17 | jude- | the first two semesters are boring |
| 01:03.24 | jude- | for experienced programmers like you |
| 01:03.29 | eTangenT_ | apparently being in a natural sciences major means I hardly have to take any social studies or english class |
| 01:03.36 | jude- | yup |
| 01:03.37 | eTangenT_ | experienced...? |
| 01:03.43 | eTangenT_ | :P |
| 01:03.47 | eTangenT_ | we'll go with that |
| 01:03.50 | eTangenT_ | I know some basics |
| 01:03.58 | eTangenT_ | but it might be good for me to relearn some stuff |
| 01:04.33 | jude- | the first lines from the introductory programming class: "This is a keyboard. It's an input device! The computer can process information you type into it!" |
| 01:04.56 | eTangenT_ | oh |
| 01:05.01 | eTangenT_ | ... |
| 01:05.04 | eTangenT_ | crud. |
| 01:05.06 | jude- | "This is a mouse. it's also an input device, and the mouse clicks are processed like keystrokes" |
| 01:05.29 | jude- | "This is the monitor. It's an output device. The computer processes information and outputs it to the video card!" |
| 01:05.43 | jude- | take the accelerated classes |
| 01:05.46 | jude- | much better |
| 01:05.46 | eTangenT_ | hm |
| 01:05.48 | eTangenT_ | k |
| 01:06.08 | jude- | what language do they start you on? |
| 01:06.42 | eTangenT_ | dunno |
| 01:06.48 | eTangenT_ | I have yet to register for classes |
| 01:06.53 | eTangenT_ | gotta take a math placement exam |
| 01:06.55 | eTangenT_ | actually |
| 01:06.56 | jude- | I see |
| 01:07.01 | eTangenT_ | I should do that tomorrow night after work |
| 01:07.02 | eTangenT_ | or today |
| 01:07.17 | jude- | all you need math-wise is calc II and possibly a bit of linear algebra |
| 01:07.35 | jude- | (and dependencies) |
| 01:08.07 | eTangenT_ | hm |
| 01:08.12 | eTangenT_ | well, I took 1 semester of calc in HS |
| 01:08.16 | eTangenT_ | graduated early |
| 01:08.27 | jude- | does CSU take AP credits? |
| 01:08.35 | a_meteorite | calculus II ... for computer science? |
| 01:08.47 | eTangenT_ | jude-: dunno |
| 01:08.52 | eTangenT_ | I never was an AP student |
| 01:09.05 | jude- | did you take calc at a college? |
| 01:09.09 | eTangenT_ | no |
| 01:09.29 | jude- | better do well on the placement exam! The less classes you have to take, the cheaper it will be |
| 01:09.37 | jude- | a_meteorite: they require it at U of A |
| 01:09.46 | jude- | for the more advanced CS classes |
| 01:09.58 | a_meteorite | doesn't sound particularly fun |
| 01:10.03 | eTangenT_ | jude-: They provide study guides. |
| 01:10.18 | eTangenT_ | I know I'll ace algebra and trig |
| 01:10.22 | jude- | the placement exam can get you out of taking calc I |
| 01:10.39 | jude- | probably |
| 01:10.49 | a_meteorite | heh... I only can do algebra and some geometry |
| 01:10.56 | a_meteorite | I'll be taking math at the college forever :P |
| 01:11.13 | jude- | a_meteorite: if you get into graphics programming, you'll need linear algebra |
| 01:11.25 | a_meteorite | algebra is all my HS offers even, I have some geometry because of a previous school |
| 01:11.35 | a_meteorite | jude-: I don't want to do graphics |
| 01:11.45 | jude- | that was just an example |
| 01:11.48 | a_meteorite | :P |
| 01:11.52 | jude- | what do you want to do? |
| 01:12.15 | a_meteorite | computer programming, networking/IT |
| 01:12.23 | jude- | how advanced? |
| 01:12.38 | a_meteorite | masters would be nice.. |
| 01:12.40 | WinnyAFK | he is going to balance on a sphere while doing his job. |
| 01:12.47 | a_meteorite | WinnyAFK: yeah |
| 01:13.09 | jude- | a_meteorite: sorry, but you'll probably have to take 400-level electives like graphics programming to get enough units to graduate |
| 01:13.17 | jude- | or database theory |
| 01:13.21 | jude- | or parallel computation |
| 01:13.28 | a_meteorite | I have a knack on databases at least :) |
| 01:13.37 | eTangenT_ | a_meteorite: Major in Philosophy and English. |
| 01:13.41 | eTangenT_ | anybways |
| 01:13.43 | eTangenT_ | jude-: |
| 01:13.44 | jude- | and AFAIK CS majors need to know discrete math |
| 01:13.54 | eTangenT_ | The math exam is on Algebra, Trig, and Logarithmic Functions |
| 01:13.59 | jude- | awww |
| 01:14.15 | jude- | try CLEP-ing out of calc I |
| 01:14.48 | jude- | a_meteorite: I mean the theory of databases |
| 01:14.53 | jude- | not implementation |
| 01:15.03 | a_meteorite | just mentioning where I want to go :) |
| 01:15.13 | jude- | not a bad choice at all :) |
| 01:15.19 | eTangenT_ | jude-: CLEP? |
| 01:15.26 | jude- | ~wiki CLEP |
| 01:15.43 | jude- | College Level Examination Program |
| 01:15.46 | eTangenT_ | hm |
| 01:15.51 | eTangenT_ | yeah |
| 01:15.54 | eTangenT_ | I get ya |
| 01:15.59 | jude- | if you can pass it, you don't have to take the class |
| 01:16.11 | eTangenT_ | I think logarithmic functions count for the Calc course there |
| 01:16.29 | jude- | differentiation and integration of logrithmic functions? |
| 01:17.19 | jude- | i.e. d/dx (ln x) == 1/x |
| 01:17.30 | eTangenT_ | the title of tha tpart is simply logarithmic and exponential functions |
| 01:17.33 | eTangenT_ | so I assume the same thing |
| 01:17.44 | Macrosoft | sin (theta) = o/h |
| 01:17.49 | Macrosoft | :)] |
| 01:17.59 | jude- | d/dx sin (theta) = cos (theta) |
| 01:18.21 | eTangenT_ | d/dx cos (theta) = -sin (theta) |
| 01:18.27 | Macrosoft | sin^2(theta) + cos^2(theta) = 1 |
| 01:18.46 | eTangenT_ | Macrosoft: That's trig. We're talking calc. |
| 01:19.03 | Macrosoft | sorry, didnt take calc |
| 01:19.09 | eTangenT_ | I took half of it. |
| 01:19.26 | Macrosoft | didnt think i would like it (stupid me) |
| 01:19.47 | jude- | heh |
| 01:20.19 | Macrosoft | but i did take a programming class |
| 01:20.33 | jude- | "If S is a smooth oriented surface with piecewise smooth, oriented boundary C, and if F is a smooth vector field on an open region containing S and C, then the antiderivitive of F . dr == the antiderivative of curl(F) . dA |
| 01:20.38 | eTangenT_ | I only took computer courses my freshman year |
| 01:20.41 | eTangenT_ | but they were word processing |
| 01:20.49 | eTangenT_ | I had the highest WPM in the class |
| 01:20.51 | jude- | stokess theorem |
| 01:20.53 | eTangenT_ | and it was mostly seniors :-\ |
| 01:21.05 | Macrosoft | unfortunately, they dont get to C++ until the second level, and i only had one year left |
| 01:21.20 | eTangenT_ | our district doesn'''t have programming courses though |
| 01:21.23 | eTangenT_ | there''s web design |
| 01:21.26 | eTangenT_ | but no programming :( |
| 01:21.32 | jude- | my HS didn't offer programming at all :( |
| 01:21.47 | *** join/#bzflag lan56 (i=lan56@adsl-75-16-84-90.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 01:21.51 | eTangenT_ | me too, jude |
| 01:21.54 | Macrosoft | getting an A for programming at school, that would be like a dream come true |
| 01:21.56 | a_meteorite | I also taught myself |
| 01:21.58 | eTangenT_ | well, minus the assembler |
| 01:22.27 | jude- | a_meteorite: why not? You have to learn it to graduate college |
| 01:22.30 | a_meteorite | PHP, C++, and little bits here and there of others |
| 01:22.32 | Macrosoft | we didnt have that, its too hardware specific |
| 01:22.34 | jude- | U of A teaches MIPS assembler |
| 01:22.38 | a_meteorite | eeeek |
| 01:22.54 | eTangenT_ | ~wiki MIPS |
| 01:22.55 | Macrosoft | i learned z80 assembly |
| 01:23.04 | a_meteorite | what is assembly any good for except super high performance and hardware access? :P |
| 01:23.18 | jude- | if you're writing an OS kernel, it's pretty damn good :) |
| 01:23.22 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 01:23.25 | Macrosoft | what else would you need but that |
| 01:23.40 | jude- | or if you're writing an embedded app, assembler might be the only option |
| 01:23.43 | Macrosoft | i love super high performance and hardware access |
| 01:23.53 | jude- | Macrosoft: z80 assembler? Like, for TI calcs? |
| 01:24.09 | jude- | a_meteorite: think PIC microcontrollers |
| 01:24.16 | Macrosoft | yes, ti83 plus, and 84 plus |
| 01:24.23 | jude- | fun stuff |
| 01:24.30 | jude- | do you have a ticalc.org account? |
| 01:24.47 | Macrosoft | no, but i leaned most of it from there |
| 01:24.58 | Macrosoft | awesome site |
| 01:25.03 | jude- | I used to develop for the Ti-83+ and the Ti-89 |
| 01:25.12 | jude- | you can find my stuff under the handle "JcN" |
| 01:25.31 | jude- | I'm number 42 (or something) on the list of "Most downloaded author of all time" |
| 01:25.32 | Macrosoft | i never got around to buying an 89 titanium, but i wanted one |
| 01:25.47 | jude- | they're pretty sweet |
| 01:25.51 | jude- | hardware-wise |
| 01:26.18 | Macrosoft | i think the z80 is a good platform to start on when you first learn assembly |
| 01:26.25 | jude- | definitely |
| 01:26.35 | Macrosoft | its not (too) complicated |
| 01:26.39 | jude- | well, I'd choose motorola 68k assembler first, but z80 is a close second |
| 01:26.50 | jude- | (no accumulator on the m68k) |
| 01:26.56 | jude- | (and 32-bit registers) |
| 01:27.16 | jude- | (and two-register compare opcode) |
| 01:27.26 | Macrosoft | i wanted to use the scrystal timers in the 83p silver edition to make a sound synth. |
| 01:27.40 | jude- | heh--it's possible |
| 01:27.42 | Macrosoft | that should say crystal |
| 01:27.48 | Macrosoft | not scrystal |
| 01:27.53 | jude- | I've actually seen that happen |
| 01:28.05 | Macrosoft | i got the idea after... |
| 01:28.17 | Macrosoft | i saw the surge in sound programs |
| 01:28.24 | Macrosoft | for it |
| 01:28.34 | jude- | just don't break your calc :) |
| 01:29.06 | Macrosoft | i wanted to get unrestricted access to flash |
| 01:29.23 | jude- | like I said |
| 01:29.32 | jude- | careful not to damage the OS |
| 01:29.32 | blast007 | Macrosoft: Act now! Buy Adobe Flash! |
| 01:29.51 | Macrosoft | it turned out that only certain pages of the flash are able to unlock the write protect |
| 01:30.10 | Macrosoft | which means you have to update the OS |
| 01:30.26 | Macrosoft | to a hacked version you modify yourself |
| 01:30.33 | Macrosoft | ...very risky business |
| 01:30.36 | jude- | tis possible |
| 01:31.13 | *** join/#bzflag a_meteorite (n=a_meteor@unaffiliated/ameteorite/x-000000001) |
| 01:31.32 | Macrosoft | its either that, or you open up the calculator and supply power to the correct pin on the flash chip |
| 01:31.47 | Macrosoft | i think its the reset pin |
| 01:32.03 | jude- | not so sure about that...I'm a software guy :) |
| 01:32.31 | Macrosoft | i have the manual to the chip somewhere on my computer |
| 01:33.05 | Macrosoft | the manual said that write-protect is disabled when 0.5 volts is supplied to the reset pin |
| 01:33.12 | jude- | a_meteorite: see http://www.palmgear.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=software.showsoftware&PartnerREF=&siteid=1&prodID=122955 |
| 01:33.19 | jude- | and then look under Zaptoid |
| 01:33.49 | Macrosoft | i tried to put linux on my palm |
| 01:33.57 | jude- | to see a good use of assembler |
| 01:34.03 | tannerld | BZFlag Question: can pyramids have physics? |
| 01:34.14 | jude- | tannerld: mesh pyramids can, IIRC |
| 01:34.20 | jude- | Macrosoft: what's your PDA model? |
| 01:34.22 | Macrosoft | no one has a completely working distro for palm yet |
| 01:34.28 | Macrosoft | tungsten E |
| 01:34.32 | tannerld | jude-: heh, wonders how that works out |
| 01:34.40 | jude- | Macrosoft: yes there is. |
| 01:34.46 | jude- | see www.handhelds.org |
| 01:34.58 | jude- | T|E's the best supported |
| 01:35.05 | jude- | of the Palm line |
| 01:35.10 | jude- | let me pinpoint it for you |
| 01:35.37 | eTangenT_ | holy good god |
| 01:35.55 | eTangenT_ | jude-: if you like music and innovation in electronics... check out the Synesthesia Mandala drum pad |
| 01:35.55 | jude- | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/PalmTungstenE?action=highlight&value=Tungsten+E |
| 01:35.56 | Macrosoft | whats wrong tang? |
| 01:36.04 | eTangenT_ | http://synesthesiacorp.com/home.html |
| 01:37.20 | jude- | nice website |
| 01:37.30 | jude- | oh, and the drum set is cool too |
| 01:37.59 | jude- | ;) |
| 01:38.17 | eTangenT_ | hm. apparently Tool's drummer helped design it. |
| 01:38.21 | eTangenT_ | he uses them, too. |
| 01:38.49 | *** join/#bzflag a_meteorite (n=a_meteor@unaffiliated/ameteorite/x-000000001) |
| 01:38.56 | jude- | nice |
| 01:40.25 | eTangenT_ | I would so get one of those |
| 01:40.32 | eTangenT_ | if it wasn't $999.99 |
| 01:40.34 | eTangenT_ | on sale. :| |
| 01:40.38 | Macrosoft | huh get a what |
| 01:41.17 | jude- | Macrosoft: also, palmtelinux.sourceforge.net |
| 01:41.25 | jude- | (better site methinks) |
| 01:42.32 | *** join/#bzflag Deepa (n=deepa@wrongplanet/deepa) |
| 01:42.39 | Macrosoft | ive tried that one before, i cant use it because i dont have a SD or MMC card |
| 01:42.58 | Macrosoft | and i cant boot as a ramdisk either |
| 01:43.20 | Macrosoft | ive gotta go, be back in about 15 minutes |
| 01:43.38 | jude- | so garux_ramdisk.prc doesn't work? |
| 01:44.00 | jude- | that's too bad |
| 01:45.03 | jude- | eTangenT_: check this out: http://wc.pima.edu/~manelson/electronic%20music.htm |
| 01:45.37 | jude- | that's one of my dad's MIDI labs |
| 01:45.52 | jude- | he's the electric music enthsiast of the family :) |
| 01:46.30 | jude- | the lab uses FL Studio 6 for digial music composition |
| 01:46.33 | jude- | it's *REALLY* powerful |
| 01:46.52 | jude- | you can even simulate an entire analog patchboard on the computer |
| 01:55.08 | jude- | nice |
| 02:03.48 | *** join/#bzflag Legolas_ (n=Legolas_@adsl-68-127-127-165.dsl.frsn02.pacbell.net) |
| 02:03.55 | Legolas_ | hi guys, anyone home? |
| 02:04.11 | tannerld | nope :P |
| 02:04.16 | Legolas_ | hehe |
| 02:04.36 | tannerld | no clue what the other 58 may say :P |
| 02:05.27 | jude- | ... |
| 02:05.50 | tannerld | nvm, 57 |
| 02:06.02 | tannerld | :P |
| 02:06.38 | jude- | brb--ordering pizza |
| 02:06.49 | a_meteorite | share! I want pizza! |
| 02:06.58 | blast007 | a_meteorite: you can have half |
| 02:07.00 | blast007 | the outside half |
| 02:07.08 | a_meteorite | :( |
| 02:07.08 | *** join/#bzflag Legoguy (n=Legoguy@adsl-70-131-34-25.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 02:09.04 | jude- | let me know if you have a teleporter |
| 02:10.28 | Legolas_ | met, you happen to be alive atm? |
| 02:10.29 | a_meteorite | yes Legolas_ |
| 02:11.58 | jude- | can I send pizza over the wire? |
| 02:12.57 | jude- | a_meteorite: heh--I'll wire you a slice |
| 02:13.07 | a_meteorite | sure |
| 02:13.19 | jude- | now what protocol... |
| 02:13.21 | jude- | ~pizza |
| 02:14.37 | blast007 | use UDP, since it might lose some of the grease in transmit |
| 02:14.59 | blast007 | then again, you might lose all the sause too |
| 02:15.08 | Legolas_ | scan and email me some olives, this cheese pizza is getting too plain for me. |
| 02:16.17 | jude- | hmm...maybe I should just put it somewhere where you can find it... |
| 02:17.04 | jude- | here you go: http://www.tastingmenu.com/media/2005/20050206-pizzaganza/imagepages/image2.html |
| 02:17.19 | jude- | the real trick now is to get it out of the computer and into your belly :) |
| 02:17.44 | Legolas_ | ahh. my printer is busted!! |
| 02:18.29 | jude- | mmmm....paper pizza |
| 02:18.54 | blast007 | it looks good enough to eat! |
| 02:19.18 | Legolas_ | pft. this busted printer made the pizza turn out all burnt.. knew i shouldnt have bought a laser printer.. |
| 02:19.49 | jude- | mmmm....cheese |
| 02:19.53 | a_meteorite | yum |
| 02:21.05 | jude- | heh--dominoes has a $5 per medium pizza for 3 or more pizzas |
| 02:21.05 | jude- | think: $20 == 4 pizzas! |
| 02:22.25 | Legolas_ | ofcourse, one would first have to dig under the couch to find spare change, break his/her siblings piggy bank, and get that extra 2 bucks of lunch money you had to buy it! |
| 02:22.28 | blast007 | and $200 gets you.... hmm, ran out of fingers, nvm |
| 02:23.12 | Legolas_ | wonder if they accept iraqi dinars? |
| 02:23.26 | Legolas_ | which btw, i do have.. |
| 02:23.37 | Legolas_ | idk why. |
| 02:23.39 | jude- | convert to USD and you're good to go :) |
| 02:23.44 | Legolas_ | lol |
| 02:23.53 | Legolas_ | ill need lots and lots of dinars! |
| 02:24.01 | jude- | yay! 37 more cents! |
| 02:24.19 | jude- | heh. muh-ney |
| 02:24.37 | Legolas_ | oh come on! isn google paying you!? cant they at least buy you a pizza with that drink? |
| 02:24.40 | Legolas_ | isnt* |
| 02:25.14 | jude- | I'm using my tutoring money |
| 02:25.19 | jude- | Google money goes into savings |
| 02:25.32 | Legolas_ | cool |
| 02:25.39 | Legolas_ | savings for more pizza? |
| 02:25.42 | jude- | and when Google visits my school, they always pring pizza |
| 02:25.49 | jude- | s/pring/bring |
| 02:26.12 | jude- | sometimes they just give us CS majors pizza without the boring meeting |
| 02:26.34 | Legolas_ | isnt there a <pizza src="google's fund class="bringtome" /> command somewhere? |
| 02:26.48 | jude- | maybe |
| 02:27.04 | blast007 | missing a quote there |
| 02:27.19 | Legolas_ | oops! |
| 02:27.23 | Legolas_ | <pizza src="google's fund" class="bringtome" /> |
| 02:27.41 | jude- | cat * | grep "<pizza src=\"google's fund\" class=\"bringtome\" /> |
| 02:28.04 | jude- | nope. nothing shows up |
| 02:28.13 | Legolas_ | darn. |
| 02:28.28 | Legolas_ | maybe they have a different src.. |
| 02:33.16 | Macrosoft | what about google and pizza |
| 02:34.46 | jude- | google should give GSoC participants a summer's supply of pizza and their patented GoogleGulp |
| 02:34.50 | Macrosoft | hey can any one here help with BZFS |
| 02:35.08 | blast007 | depends what kind of help |
| 02:35.12 | blast007 | :) |
| 02:35.22 | blast007 | help for running a server? |
| 02:35.24 | Macrosoft | ill paste the error message |
| 02:35.36 | Macrosoft | yes, for running server |
| 02:35.37 | blast007 | not if it's more than a couple lines, please |
| 02:35.53 | Macrosoft | its about four lines |
| 02:35.56 | Macrosoft | long |
| 02:36.11 | Macrosoft | is that ok? |
| 02:36.27 | Macrosoft | pasting... |
| 02:36.45 | Macrosoft | Got line: "<b>Warning</b>: fsockopen() [<a href='function.fsockopen'>function.fsockopen</a>]: unable to connect to 75.65.79.249:5156 (Connection refused) in <b>/usr/web/my.bzflag.org/bzfls.php</b> on line <b>601</b><br />" |
| 02:36.45 | Macrosoft | Got line: "failed to connect: Connection refused" |
| 02:37.00 | blast007 | the list server couldn't connect back to you |
| 02:37.08 | blast007 | fix your firewall or port forwarding |
| 02:37.32 | Macrosoft | ive tried, the port forwarding only seems to work when it feels like it |
| 02:37.41 | blast007 | :) |
| 02:38.01 | Macrosoft | ill test it, try this link, tell me if it goes through |
| 02:38.16 | Macrosoft | http://75.65.79.249:8001/ |
| 02:38.37 | blast007 | yup |
| 02:38.46 | Legolas_ | it sure as heck does young man! |
| 02:39.00 | Macrosoft | then port forwarding is working on that port, at least |
| 02:39.05 | blast007 | you sure you have the port right? 5154 works |
| 02:39.33 | Macrosoft | ive set the server to use 5156 |
| 02:39.33 | blast007 | it has to match both what you said in -publicaddr and from -p |
| 02:39.49 | blast007 | are you running one on 5154? |
| 02:40.00 | Legolas_ | any bz helperguy here on a mac? |
| 02:40.02 | Macrosoft | no, im running it on5156 |
| 02:40.14 | blast007 | Macrosoft: well, you're running one on 5154 |
| 02:40.16 | Macrosoft | whats the -p switch do |
| 02:40.19 | blast007 | sets the port |
| 02:40.22 | blast007 | it defaults to 5154 |
| 02:40.46 | Macrosoft | my config looks like this: |
| 02:40.55 | Macrosoft | -public destruction_server |
| 02:40.55 | Macrosoft | -publicaddr 75.65.79.249:5156 |
| 02:40.56 | Legolas_ | dont paste it here. |
| 02:40.59 | blast007 | add: -p 5156 |
| 02:41.03 | Macrosoft | ok |
| 02:41.06 | blast007 | it's not listening on 5156 |
| 02:41.13 | Legolas_ | http://www.pastebin.ca is your friend. |
| 02:41.14 | blast007 | it's using 5154 because you didn't tell it |
| 02:42.07 | Macrosoft | alright im going to test it out now |
| 02:42.51 | Macrosoft | holy stuff, its working!!! |
| 02:43.02 | Macrosoft | it shows up on the public list |
| 02:43.26 | Legolas_ | welcome to the server world :) |
| 02:43.46 | Macrosoft | now i just need a better map to use than the randomly generated one |
| 02:44.48 | *** join/#bzflag rob1n (n=emp@unaffiliated/rob1n) |
| 02:44.54 | Macrosoft | if you want to test to make sure the server works, search for destruction_server on the public list |
| 02:45.22 | Macrosoft | that way i will know if its fast enough to play on |
| 02:46.56 | Macrosoft | ill leave it running for now |
| 03:08.32 | blast007 | wow, my CPU temperature got past 80C while playing BZ ;) |
| 03:08.33 | Macrosoft | woo hoo |
| 03:08.35 | Macrosoft | :) |
| 03:08.42 | blast007 | thought my hands were getting a little toasty |
| 03:08.45 | jude- | notice any lag? |
| 03:08.54 | Macrosoft | not from here |
| 03:09.03 | Macrosoft | or did you mean laggers |
| 03:09.07 | jude- | I mean, from the electronic components heating up? |
| 03:09.20 | blast007 | nope |
| 03:09.24 | blast007 | system kept right along |
| 03:09.26 | jude- | that's good :) |
| 03:09.29 | blast007 | good ol' Pentium M |
| 03:09.40 | Macrosoft | pentium 4 here |
| 03:09.47 | jude- | Centrino Duo here |
| 03:10.00 | blast007 | I could play on my C2D behind me |
| 03:10.06 | blast007 | but I seem to do better on the laptop |
| 03:10.08 | Macrosoft | the servers being run on old tech |
| 03:10.31 | blast007 | I was running bzfs on a 133MHz system at one point |
| 03:10.41 | jude- | you can run bzfs on an iPAQ |
| 03:10.44 | jude- | or a Zaurus |
| 03:10.48 | blast007 | heh |
| 03:10.52 | jude- | it's been done |
| 03:10.54 | blast007 | or probably a router |
| 03:10.59 | Macrosoft | P4 is considered "old" now that multi-cores are so popular |
| 03:11.00 | jude- | you could |
| 03:11.11 | jude- | Macrosoft: don't complain. My desktop is a PIII |
| 03:11.18 | a_meteorite | it's actually considered "old" because it's netburst architecture |
| 03:11.38 | Macrosoft | i still have my p3 desktop too |
| 03:11.43 | a_meteorite | jude-: many later PIII's could outperform early P4's - even ones high above the PIII's clockrate |
| 03:11.44 | Macrosoft | 733MHz |
| 03:12.05 | jude- | a_meteorite: I'm using a PIII over the Celeron (faster) that came with it |
| 03:12.16 | jude- | the PIII has a faster bus |
| 03:12.16 | a_meteorite | I would too ;) |
| 03:12.19 | jude- | but a slower clock |
| 03:12.27 | jude- | (1 GHz vs 1.4 GHz) |
| 03:12.36 | a_meteorite | it probably has more cache too |
| 03:12.42 | jude- | no--same amount |
| 03:12.44 | Macrosoft | my p4 is a 2.2GHz |
| 03:12.50 | jude- | Macrosoft: bus speed? |
| 03:12.52 | a_meteorite | not to mention a significantly better architecture than netburst... |
| 03:12.59 | Macrosoft | not sure... |
| 03:13.16 | jude- | coppermine > netburst? |
| 03:13.33 | a_meteorite | jude-: yes |
| 03:13.45 | jude- | nice |
| 03:13.50 | jude- | Intel flops it again |
| 03:13.55 | Macrosoft | im using standard hardware that comes with a dimension2350 |
| 03:14.12 | Macrosoft | nexcept for added ram |
| 03:14.16 | jude- | my desktop is a used Tangent workstation |
| 03:14.20 | jude- | got it on eBay for $20 |
| 03:14.27 | jude- | has 650MB RAM |
| 03:14.35 | Macrosoft | i have 512 |
| 03:14.46 | jude- | I support a max 786MB on the desktop |
| 03:14.52 | Macrosoft | i need to upgrade to a gig |
| 03:15.00 | *** part/#bzflag Tedius (n=Tedius@76.205.126.20) |
| 03:15.03 | jude- | my laptop supports (and has) 2GB though, so I rarely fire up the desktop :P |
| 03:15.07 | blast007 | think it supports 8 |
| 03:15.17 | Macrosoft | nfrom here |
| 03:15.19 | blast007 | and my rack server supports 16 |
| 03:15.24 | jude- | blast007: it has slots enough? |
| 03:15.45 | a_meteorite | stupid me, php has an array_merge() function... I was doing the merging manually >_< |
| 03:16.19 | blast007 | my c2d has 4 slots |
| 03:16.34 | jude- | can you get four 2GB sticks? |
| 03:16.35 | blast007 | array_merge doesn't work for multi-dimension arrays though |
| 03:16.53 | blast007 | jude-: I see some online |
| 03:16.55 | a_meteorite | blast007: multi-dimension? example? |
| 03:17.46 | Macrosoft | remember that your mother board has to support that much, just because you have enough slots, doesnt mean you could have as much ram |
| 03:18.07 | blast007 | Macrosoft: I bought the board specifically because it could |
| 03:18.36 | Macrosoft | just making sure |
| 03:18.48 | blast007 | ASUS P5B-E |
| 03:20.17 | blast007 | we have a Sun Ultra 10 at work ;) |
| 03:20.24 | jude- | I have a Sun Ultra 5 |
| 03:20.27 | jude- | same motherboard |
| 03:20.32 | blast007 | needs a new NVRAM chicp though, the battery in it died |
| 03:20.36 | blast007 | chip* |
| 03:20.40 | jude- | annoying |
| 03:20.48 | jude- | so you have to configure openboot each time? |
| 03:21.01 | blast007 | I haven't gotten it to work yet |
| 03:21.13 | blast007 | the hard drive was dead to, so that's blank right now |
| 03:21.33 | jude- | it's pretty good for an intranet server, and maybe to play with, but nothing much else :( |
| 03:21.48 | blast007 | still have the Solaris 8 box for it |
| 03:22.30 | jude- | mmmm....ultra 40 |
| 03:22.57 | jude- | 2 dual-core opterons, 32 GB RAM, 8 SATA disks, dual NVIDIA Quadros, PCI-x NICs... |
| 03:23.56 | blast007 | heh |
| 03:25.06 | jude- | ...and its cheaper than the competitors :) |
| 03:25.55 | jude- | heh--don't have wet dreams Macrosoft XP |
| 03:26.00 | jude- | ..er..Xp |
| 03:26.08 | jude- | ...er..x-P |
| 03:27.04 | blast007 | free 60 day trial ;D |
| 03:27.19 | jude- | heh--get it, do GSoC on it, return it :) |
| 03:27.34 | blast007 | lol |
| 03:34.53 | blast007 | they have a trade in program... heh, wonder how much savings I could get by trading in the old Ultra 10 ;D |
| 03:35.21 | blast007 | "You saved $12 and 75 cents. Don't spend it all in one place." |
| 03:35.42 | Legolas_ | im back |
| 03:36.26 | Legolas_ | hows it going? |
| 03:36.50 | blast007 | hmm, 5% savings, on an Ultra 40 |
| 03:37.08 | jude- | yup |
| 03:37.12 | jude- | that's a lot |
| 03:37.18 | *** join/#bzflag The_Vaxorcist (n=phillip@dial-209-148-113-137.sonic.net) |
| 03:38.20 | *** part/#bzflag Macrosoft (n=Macrosof@c-75-65-79-249.hsd1.la.comcast.net) |
| 03:38.53 | L4m3r | I would be totally stoked if I managed to get just two things this summer |
| 03:39.01 | L4m3r | a new rig, and a new bicycle :P |
| 03:39.53 | jude- | start saving your money |
| 03:39.54 | jude- | :) |
| 03:39.58 | jude- | all 4.5K |
| 03:40.08 | L4m3r | that and my income from my "real" job |
| 03:40.16 | jude- | that too :) |
| 03:40.24 | jude- | mmmm....muh-ney |
| 03:40.28 | L4m3r | the bike is easy, shouldn't cost too much |
| 03:40.38 | L4m3r | the computer, on the other hand... |
| 03:40.51 | jude- | a good one will set you back 20 grand |
| 03:40.56 | L4m3r | even if the money is there, I have to find a way to get in some serious shop time |
| 03:41.17 | jude- | the best ones you can't even get in stores--you have to special-order |
| 03:41.38 | L4m3r | heh |
| 03:41.58 | jude- | you know it's not cheap when the ad didn't even list the price :P |
| 03:42.46 | L4m3r | a consumer-level system will do just fine |
| 03:42.55 | jude- | you'll have plenty of money for that, then |
| 03:43.05 | L4m3r | maybe |
| 03:43.10 | L4m3r | it's time for a new screen too |
| 03:43.14 | L4m3r | ...or a pair |
| 03:43.21 | jude- | aha--a *full* upgrade |
| 03:49.29 | L4m3r | nah, I need the whole package |
| 03:49.30 | jude- | I see |
| 03:49.30 | jude- | hmmm... |
| 03:49.30 | jude- | wait for the "back to school" sale |
| 03:49.30 | L4m3r | bought it for $100 in 2002 |
| 03:49.31 | jude- | CRT?? ouch |
| 03:49.31 | jude- | that must way about 60 lbs! |
| 03:49.31 | jude- | s/way/weigh |
| 03:49.31 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 03:49.32 | jude- | don't break the stand |
| 03:49.32 | jude- | ;) |
| 03:49.33 | L4m3r | I'm a big guy, it doesn't give me any problems |
| 03:49.33 | L4m3r | ha, it's cracked, actually |
| 03:49.33 | jude- | lol |
| 03:49.33 | L4m3r | and I had to raise the stand in the back of my desk to fit it |
| 03:49.33 | jude- | heh |
| 03:49.33 | jude- | I'm still in the stone age with a 14" CRT |
| 03:49.34 | L4m3r | I'm thinkin' a pair of 19" LCDs would do nicely for me |
| 03:49.34 | L4m3r | thing is, for a pair, widescreen = BAD |
| 03:49.34 | jude- | yup |
| 03:49.34 | L4m3r | and 4:3 screens are pricy, still |
| 03:49.34 | jude- | look on ebay |
| 03:49.34 | L4m3r | http://chriswible.com/chieftec/desk_no_lights.jpg |
| 03:49.34 | L4m3r | notice how much depth is taken up just by the screen, lol |
| 03:49.35 | jude- | ya |
| 03:49.35 | jude- | nice case, btw |
| 03:49.35 | L4m3r | thx. Did it myself. :) |
| 03:49.35 | jude- | neat |
| 03:49.36 | jude- | does it light up |
| 03:49.37 | jude- | ? |
| 03:49.38 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14291 10/trunk/bzflag/ (14 files in 9 dirs): |
| 03:49.38 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: move debugLevel out of all of the binaries and into libCommon as part of bzfio. |
| 03:49.38 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: The symbols was already being used by a slew of libraries that necessitate its |
| 03:49.38 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: inclusion be pushed up into a library. this is the last symbol for a more clean |
| 03:49.38 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: libPlatform (now only requires libMediaFile, libNet, and libCommon) |
| 03:49.38 | L4m3r | yup |
| 03:49.38 | L4m3r | http://chriswible.com/chieftec/ |
| 03:49.39 | jude- | awesome |
| 03:49.39 | L4m3r | more pics |
| 03:49.39 | L4m3r | I'm hoping to do the next case from scratch, with diamond plate :) |
| 03:49.39 | jude- | I see you have good taste |
| 03:49.39 | jude- | heh--real diamonds? |
| 03:49.45 | L4m3r | no, diamond plate :P |
| 03:49.49 | L4m3r | it's a pattern... let me find an image |
| 03:50.25 | L4m3r | http://www.accuratealloys.com/images/diamond-01.jpg |
| 03:50.45 | jude- | ahh--I just call that "industrial metal" |
| 03:50.56 | L4m3r | heh |
| 03:50.57 | jude- | good luck with that :) |
| 03:51.13 | L4m3r | time is the only constraint |
| 03:51.26 | L4m3r | I have access to all the necessary equipment :) |
| 03:53.37 | L4m3r | it'd also be fun to build a system in this imac shell I have |
| 03:53.52 | L4m3r | since the innards are pretty much worthless now anyway |
| 03:55.06 | jude- | that'd be cool |
| 03:55.11 | jude- | 1st-gen imac? |
| 03:55.37 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 03:55.43 | jude- | make it light up ! |
| 03:55.45 | L4m3r | G3, 800MHz |
| 03:56.01 | jude- | not bad |
| 03:56.02 | L4m3r | nah, it's that fugly graphite color, and scratched |
| 03:56.07 | jude- | oh |
| 03:56.08 | jude- | eww |
| 03:56.13 | L4m3r | I'd paint it with a nice flame job :) |
| 03:56.26 | jude- | there we go :) |
| 03:56.28 | L4m3r | after all, it's shaped like a fireball lol |
| 03:56.43 | jude- | yup |
| 03:58.03 | L4m3r | I need to decide the fate of the current rig, too |
| 03:58.43 | jude- | give it to me :) (j/k) |
| 03:58.52 | jude- | what kind is it? |
| 03:59.07 | L4m3r | AMD64 3200+ venice |
| 03:59.09 | L4m3r | single core |
| 03:59.19 | jude- | better than my desktop |
| 03:59.29 | L4m3r | DFI SLI-ready mobo, but a single 6600GT >_< |
| 03:59.29 | jude- | (old-and-busted PIII coppermine) |
| 03:59.46 | L4m3r | it can keep up with my C2D lappy |
| 04:00.07 | jude- | nice |
| 04:01.42 | L4m3r | yeah, can't quite explain that one |
| 04:02.11 | jude- | faster bus? bigger cache? |
| 04:02.13 | L4m3r | it seems like today, computers in general are faster compared to what we demand of them |
| 04:02.22 | jude- | don't ever say or think that again |
| 04:02.28 | blast007 | heh |
| 04:02.31 | jude- | you can NEVER have enough compting power :) |
| 04:02.34 | jude- | *computing |
| 04:02.37 | L4m3r | of course |
| 04:02.47 | L4m3r | but the "good enough" bar is a lot lower than it used to be :) |
| 04:02.48 | blast007 | L4m3r: that's why you run Vista in VMWare while playing Half Life 2 |
| 04:02.54 | blast007 | s/run/install/ |
| 04:03.08 | *** join/#bzflag lodxcol (n=lodxcol@unaffiliated/lodxcol) |
| 04:04.01 | Thumper_ | brlcad: should bzflag/src/other/curl/lib/config.h.in be in the repository? |
| 04:04.04 | jude- | some non-power users would be happy with a thin-client to their ISP |
| 04:04.27 | jude- | if that's what you mean |
| 04:05.15 | blast007 | Customer: "I want to browse the web and check my email" Sales Person: "Ah, you'll want this Core 2 Duo with 2GB of RAM" |
| 04:05.59 | jude- | a fool and his money are soon parted, I guess |
| 04:06.16 | blast007 | yeah, that's how we got our camcorder |
| 04:06.31 | jude- | lol |
| 04:06.51 | blast007 | $1500 for a flaming pile of Sony |
| 04:06.59 | blast007 | but it's got nightvision! |
| 04:07.01 | L4m3r | I think that within the next couple of console generations, people will start to get most of their basic computing tasks done with game consoles |
| 04:07.06 | L4m3r | for a lot less |
| 04:07.17 | brlcad | Thumper_: yes, they have dual config templates |
| 04:07.27 | brlcad | and autoconf will only autocreate the first one |
| 04:07.38 | Thumper_ | brlcad: ok thx |
| 04:07.56 | brlcad | stupid design by the gnu folks, but that's by design |
| 04:08.17 | jude- | L4m3r--soon enough everything will fit into an oversized cellphone-like device that projects a large screen, keyboard, and mouse onto a flat surface and be your all-in-one computing device |
| 04:09.12 | blast007 | nah, they'll just embed a chip into our brain |
| 04:09.18 | jude- | that'll be the day |
| 04:09.24 | blast007 | "Gah, damn popups! I can't see the road!" |
| 04:09.27 | blast007 | *crash* |
| 04:09.44 | Thumper_ | brlcad: it just looked weird to me - if I remove this file autogen.sh brings it back just fine with no error report |
| 04:09.54 | blast007 | jude-: not if Section 9 has anothing to say about it |
| 04:10.01 | jude- | lol |
| 04:10.12 | jude- | SAC is pretty cool |
| 04:10.16 | blast007 | yeah :) |
| 04:10.20 | L4m3r | I think the proliferation of HDTV will integrate consumer-level computing with TV |
| 04:10.31 | L4m3r | now that text on-screen is actually readable :P |
| 04:10.36 | blast007 | hehe |
| 04:10.39 | jude- | people are already using their pcs for tv |
| 04:10.49 | brlcad | woot, a full bzflag checkout (all branches, all versions) is 1891636 MB |
| 04:10.55 | L4m3r | I mean for the non-geek :P |
| 04:11.03 | jude- | O.o |
| 04:11.11 | blast007 | brlcad: egads, why oh why? ;) |
| 04:11.29 | jude- | don't tell sourceforge! |
| 04:11.31 | brlcad | so I don't have to check anything out :) |
| 04:11.36 | blast007 | heh |
| 04:11.45 | jude- | they'll confiscate our disk space! |
| 04:12.28 | brlcad | nah, they're quite leniant on disk space usage for source - they impose no limits so long as it's not abusive |
| 04:12.37 | jude- | cool |
| 04:12.43 | brlcad | and it's not nearly that much stored in the svn repo root |
| 04:12.59 | jude- | L4m3r, that's becoming standard equiment |
| 04:13.02 | Thumper_ | brlcad: but in git it's only 48MB :) |
| 04:13.04 | *** join/#bzflag Macrosoft (n=Macrosof@c-75-65-79-249.hsd1.la.comcast.net) |
| 04:13.19 | Macrosoft | hey meteorite |
| 04:13.21 | brlcad | plus brl-cad's root is about five time's bz's size and they don't mind one bit |
| 04:13.35 | jude- | that's a relief |
| 04:13.35 | L4m3r | yeah, true. but it strikes me as a feature that most don't use |
| 04:13.49 | L4m3r | also, bzf is one of the most popular projects on SF |
| 04:13.53 | L4m3r | they're happy to have it :) |
| 04:13.54 | a_meteorite | hi Macrosoft |
| 04:13.59 | jude- | indeed |
| 04:14.03 | Macrosoft | hey meteorite |
| 04:15.14 | brlcad | mmmaybe later :) |
| 04:15.51 | jude- | lol |
| 04:16.29 | Macrosoft | if anyone talks to "a meteorite", tell him im unbanning him |
| 04:16.41 | a_meteorite | ? |
| 04:17.08 | Macrosoft | as soon as i figure out how |
| 04:17.14 | Macrosoft | to do that |
| 04:17.18 | blast007 | heh |
| 04:17.30 | a_meteorite | unban me where..? |
| 04:18.16 | brlcad | a_meteorite: Macrosoft wants you to know that he's unbanning you |
| 04:18.16 | brlcad | as soon as he figures out how |
| 04:18.16 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03bthansen * r14292 10/trunk/bzflag/BUGS: |
| 04:18.16 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Masterban entries are not being clobbered when ban list changes |
| 04:18.16 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Remove the bug report. |
| 04:18.16 | blast007 | hehe |
| 04:18.16 | a_meteorite | I can read it fine... |
| 04:18.16 | Macrosoft | on destrucion_server |
| 04:18.16 | brlcad | on destruction_server |
| 04:18.17 | a_meteorite | brlcad: ... I can read what he's saying |
| 04:18.22 | Macrosoft | i think a 5h ban is too long, im gonna lift it...this time |
| 04:18.31 | a_meteorite | ... what? |
| 04:18.45 | a_meteorite | Macrosoft: this is the cheater. don't unban him. |
| 04:19.04 | brlcad | a_meteorite: must I firmly plant my tounge in cheek or is it really not that obvious? |
| 04:19.06 | a_meteorite | *that |
| 04:19.08 | a_meteorite | mr. molez/crw/death barrel goes around under my name, without being identified, and cheats |
| 04:19.18 | a_meteorite | it doesn't affect me. just leave him banned. |
| 04:19.43 | Macrosoft | which ones registered in the forums |
| 04:19.45 | a_meteorite | brlcad: most people have no idea what the '-' next to a callsign mean, and banlist doesn't record who was identified and who wasn't :) |
| 04:20.01 | brlcad | a_meteorite: er, okay |
| 04:20.04 | brlcad | i don't care |
| 04:20.09 | brlcad | twas a joke |
| 04:20.13 | a_meteorite | neither do I, molez is just being an idiot |
| 04:20.15 | brlcad | and not even about you really :) |
| 04:21.02 | a_meteorite | I believe this topic is in violation of forum rules, dunno: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=10886 |
| 04:26.22 | brlcad | about Macrosoft making requests to tell you yet he should have just told you himself, har har .. slaps knee .. slaps forehead.. *sigh* never mind |
| 04:26.23 | brlcad | :) |
| 04:26.23 | a_meteorite | I responded to it simply because he is accusing me of something that is completely preposterous |
| 04:26.23 | brlcad | again, it had nothing to do with that... jeez |
| 04:26.23 | Macrosoft | i asked them to tell you because you appeared to be logged on, but you weremt responding |
| 04:26.23 | brlcad | there was humor there.. which you've quite fully squished by now |
| 04:26.23 | jude- | a_meteorite: listing the handles might be a violation...dunno |
| 04:26.23 | a_meteorite | brlcad: I don't get humor when I'm tired :) |
| 04:26.23 | a_meteorite | jude-: oh, I'm not denying that I poll banned his bots, but he told us to. now he complains. |
| 04:26.23 | a_meteorite | the proof is in the beholder of the screenshots |
| 04:26.23 | a_meteorite | *complains and accuses us of attacking his server with tor |
| 04:26.24 | jude- | i see |
| 04:26.24 | Macrosoft | doesnt temp_distract. have underscores in his callsign |
| 04:26.24 | a_meteorite | that's only on IRC |
| 04:26.24 | Macrosoft | the names listed in the post are missing them |
| 04:26.24 | a_meteorite | as I said, he only uses underscores on IRC |
| 04:26.24 | Macrosoft | ok |
| 04:26.24 | a_meteorite | just like me. my callsign in bzflag does not have an underscore. |
| 04:26.24 | Macrosoft | well, anyway, you or the guy pretending to be you, or whoever, is banned for the next four hours, just so you know |
| 04:26.24 | a_meteorite | it's not me :) |
| 04:26.33 | a_meteorite | leave molez banned |
| 04:27.07 | Macrosoft | i dont know how to unban anyway |
| 04:27.12 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 04:27.55 | Macrosoft | well, thats all, bye everyone, and oh... come play on destruction_server |
| 04:28.06 | a_meteorite | is it any good? |
| 04:28.23 | Macrosoft | its still a work in progress |
| 04:28.26 | blast007 | still a random map? |
| 04:28.58 | Macrosoft | its on the first page of the server list |
| 04:29.08 | Macrosoft | but yes, still random map |
| 04:29.21 | a_meteorite | yeah, random map |
| 04:29.32 | a_meteorite | I'd rather play at a real map to be honest :) |
| 04:29.56 | Epyon | got anything against random maps? -_- |
| 04:30.12 | a_meteorite | well, they beat missile war, but that's about it :) |
| 04:30.17 | Macrosoft | havent been able to make one yet, but ill host one if anyone has one that everyones ok with |
| 04:30.33 | a_meteorite | they're like on par with pillbox.. which I play a lot |
| 04:30.44 | a_meteorite | but I'd rather play pillbox than a random map |
| 04:31.12 | Epyon | That all reminds me I should kick my ass and get to work :/ |
| 04:31.16 | Macrosoft | i think i saved a copy of missile war last time i was there |
| 04:31.17 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 04:31.26 | a_meteorite | noo, please don't run missile war |
| 04:31.26 | lodxcol | a_meteorite: hmph |
| 04:31.41 | Epyon | Still, two issues left to kill before I'll be free :( |
| 04:31.59 | Macrosoft | i think id have to ask the map creators permission first |
| 04:32.09 | Macrosoft | its not my map |
| 04:32.14 | a_meteorite | Macrosoft: if it's posted on the boards, you don't need to |
| 04:32.26 | lodxcol | Macrosoft: I am already running Missile War, have you not seen the server list? |
| 04:32.29 | a_meteorite | the bzbb has a clause now that all *uploaded* maps must be open-source licensed |
| 04:32.41 | Epyon | The one I enjoyed the most up to date is the hepcat ctf :P |
| 04:33.06 | Macrosoft | i dont think would run missile war unless the other server with it was down or something |
| 04:33.20 | lodxcol | yeah, mine & tadd's |
| 04:33.40 | Macrosoft | but i dont ever remember it being down |
| 04:33.55 | Macrosoft | i also have two tanks |
| 04:33.59 | Epyon | To sleep or not to sleep... suggestions? |
| 04:34.00 | lodxcol | it goes down every once in a while, we get a "bus error" |
| 04:34.45 | Macrosoft | gotta go, ive been ignoring admin duties on my server |
| 04:44.22 | jude- | no sleep--start coding :) |
| 04:50.03 | *** part/#bzflag CRWheelchair (n=john@ip68-105-98-187.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 04:51.54 | *** join/#bzflag JeffM (n=JeffM@unaffiliated/jeffm) |
| 04:53.44 | jude- | JeffM: thanks for the tips on designing the internal model representation on BZWorkbench |
| 04:53.56 | JeffM | no problem :) |
| 04:54.00 | jude- | the implementation is very robust :) |
| 04:54.01 | JeffM | how's it coming? |
| 04:54.06 | JeffM | cool |
| 04:54.07 | jude- | getting there |
| 04:54.15 | jude- | have the world options dialog done |
| 04:54.23 | jude- | and it can write out world, waterLevel, and options |
| 04:54.31 | jude- | working on master config dialog now |
| 04:56.06 | *** join/#bzflag tupone (n=atupone@pdpc/supporter/active/Tupone) |
| 04:56.06 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v tupone] by ChanServ |
| 04:57.07 | L4m3r | brlcad: ping |
| 04:57.07 | brlcad | L4m3r: considered imposing an outright pixel-limit on sigs on bzbb? |
| 04:57.11 | brlcad | heh |
| 04:57.32 | L4m3r | did you intend to leave that thread unlocked? |
| 04:57.38 | brlcad | for the moment |
| 04:57.51 | brlcad | curious who actually reads |
| 04:58.03 | L4m3r | I'm going to add two cents to the pot |
| 04:58.23 | brlcad | alright |
| 04:58.44 | L4m3r | ah, and you already snipped the names. good work. |
| 04:59.55 | DTRemenak | ~bzsvn |
| 05:00.18 | ibot | [bzsvn] http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag bzflag |
| 05:00.20 | JeffM | wow them's some quality bzbb subjects there |
| 05:00.30 | DTRemenak | ...would have been faster to go look it up on the wiki :S |
| 05:01.11 | DTRemenak | JeffM: of course |
| 05:07.57 | L4m3r | so... many... newbs |
| 05:09.33 | jude- | lol |
| 05:09.42 | JeffM | it's only going to get worse as summer gets into full swing |
| 05:09.47 | jude- | which server? |
| 05:10.25 | a_meteorite | jude-: they fill the empty void between the servers ;) |
| 05:10.51 | jude- | lol |
| 05:13.35 | brlcad | is there a way to review bzbb threads as a single master laundry list of all unread instead of forum to forum? |
| 05:14.10 | DTRemenak | "View posts since last visit" |
| 05:14.11 | blast007 | "View posts since last visit" |
| 05:14.16 | blast007 | darn, too slow |
| 05:14.40 | brlcad | aha, shibby |
| 05:14.44 | brlcad | thanks |
| 05:16.07 | a_meteorite | heh, it's fun to login to old accounts and see every forum have a nice red bullet beside it |
| 05:17.12 | a_meteorite | well, I better get to bed, I think I'll stay logged into IRC for a change :) |
| 05:17.26 | jude- | g'night a_metereorite |
| 05:17.35 | jude- | *a_meteorite |
| 05:17.36 | L4m3r | eh? |
| 05:18.29 | DTRemenak | mostly just fun to smack you though :) |
| 05:18.36 | L4m3r | I normally don't, but I wanted to mention it in case anyone cared to comment on the thread that's being discussed |
| 05:19.12 | L4m3r | but anyway, I'm going to go see chillin, be back later ;) |
| 05:19.17 | DTRemenak | ok, have fun ;) |
| 05:26.05 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r14293 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/MainWindow.cxx: unused var warning |
| 05:26.24 | brlcad | hm, posts since last visit isn't quite "all unread posts" |
| 05:26.34 | DTRemenak | no, it's since last visit |
| 05:26.44 | DTRemenak | if you use it every visit, it's the same |
| 05:27.10 | brlcad | yeah, but then I haven't used it yet until today so it's mostly wrong :) |
| 05:27.15 | DTRemenak | :) |
| 05:27.27 | brlcad | alas, i'll survive |
| 05:27.41 | brlcad | wonder why server is choking on http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=109216 though |
| 05:27.53 | brlcad | oh, of course now it's not |
| 05:30.57 | jude- | DTRemenack: look in Debig |
| 05:31.00 | jude- | *Debug |
| 05:31.05 | jude- | *DTRemenak |
| 05:31.21 | DTRemenak | hm, that seems like an odd place to put them :) |
| 05:31.30 | jude- | it's where Eclipse puts them :/ |
| 05:34.08 | purple_cow | wow, that's lazy |
| 05:34.19 | DTRemenak | ain't it? |
| 05:34.27 | jude- | ...can't...move...mouse...to...terminal...icon... |
| 05:34.43 | DTRemenak | pft, more like "can't be bothered to move my hand to the mouse" :) |
| 05:34.56 | blast007 | :) |
| 05:35.11 | jude- | damn. that's lazy |
| 05:35.37 | jude- | btw, it's "make all", not "make" |
| 05:35.53 | DTRemenak | heh, just gotta buck convention eh? :) |
| 05:36.01 | jude- | it's not my fault! |
| 05:36.02 | DTRemenak | (I know, it's eclipse) |
| 05:36.19 | jude- | I'll fix it in the release |
| 05:36.33 | jude- | ln -s Debug/makefile Makefile |
| 05:37.46 | DTRemenak | to tell you how much I dislike moving my hand over to the mouse, I just chose to type "eclipse" <wait> <enter> "sudo netpkg jre" too :) |
| 05:38.17 | DTRemenak | my mouse is unloved :) |
| 05:38.33 | jude- | netpkg--is that slackware? |
| 05:38.39 | DTRemenak | zenwalk |
| 05:38.43 | DTRemenak | so...yes :) |
| 05:38.47 | jude- | heh--derivative |
| 05:38.59 | purple_cow | DTRemenak: sounds like you need screen |
| 05:59.31 | *** join/#bzflag tuxd00d (n=tuxinato@128.187.163.72) |
| 06:20.23 | Epyon | .j #fpc |
| 06:20.27 | Epyon | damn :P |
| 06:21.15 | *** join/#bzflag DTRemenak (i=DTRemena@about/essy/CrazyCoder/DTRemenak) |
| 06:21.15 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v DTRemenak] by ChanServ |
| 06:24.37 | *** join/#bzflag DTRemenak (i=DTRemena@about/essy/CrazyCoder/DTRemenak) |
| 06:24.37 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v DTRemenak] by ChanServ |
| 07:45.00 | *** join/#bzflag jwir3 (n=scottj@c-66-41-249-30.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 08:31.41 | *** join/#bzflag DavidHKMrPowers (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/davidhkmrpowers) |
| 09:32.42 | *** join/#bzflag LongDon (n=LongDon@dyndsl-085-016-204-127.ewe-ip-backbone.de) |
| 09:42.52 | *** part/#bzflag LongDon (n=LongDon@dyndsl-085-016-204-127.ewe-ip-backbone.de) |
| 10:30.12 | *** join/#bzflag Suspect (n=Suspect@68-113-164-151.dhcp.plt.ny.charter.com) |
| 11:04.02 | *** join/#bzflag KTL (n=KTL@kotnet-149.kulnet.kuleuven.be) |
| 12:10.28 | *** join/#bzflag donny_baker (n=donny__@about/essy/vvvvv/donnybaker) |
| 12:18.28 | *** join/#bzflag trovao (n=trovao@201008097050.user.veloxzone.com.br) |
| 12:26.26 | *** join/#bzflag FarkSimmons_ (n=chatzill@24-178-110-164.dhcp.stbr.ga.charter.com) |
| 12:43.32 | *** join/#bzflag eTangenT (n=tangent@71-211-222-224.hlrn.qwest.net) |
| 12:47.46 | *** join/#bzflag Tedius (n=cmtadmin@cmtadmin.MUSC.CWRU.Edu) |
| 12:54.08 | eTangenT | yo Ted |
| 13:06.03 | Tedius | hiya |
| 13:10.46 | *** join/#bzflag Macint (n=peterm@c-2ed5e155.2410-4-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 13:22.34 | *** join/#bzflag Macint (n=peterm@c-2ed5e155.2410-4-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 13:35.09 | eTangenT | what the heck? |
| 13:35.25 | eTangenT | Macrosoft claims that bzfs conf switches need to be in alphabetical order? |
| 13:36.14 | ruskie | lol |
| 13:37.24 | eTangenT | man, I hope I wasn't taht bad when I was still a n00b |
| 13:37.31 | eTangenT | but I probably was :< |
| 13:42.16 | Tedius | I'm thinking of changing my nick to edisTu from now on |
| 13:42.41 | eTangenT | hah |
| 13:42.45 | eTangenT | and i could be TenTnag |
| 13:43.11 | Tedius | you mean, aeegnnTT |
| 13:43.20 | *** join/#bzflag Winny (i=4ad01055@gateway/web/cgi-irc/zeebrothers.net/x-139cf53ca878fe44) |
| 13:43.38 | eTangenT | nah |
| 13:44.09 | eTangenT | OMGWTFLOL |
| 13:44.13 | eTangenT | I found the CD I was missing |
| 13:44.17 | eTangenT | IT WAS UNDER MY KEYBOARD |
| 13:44.18 | eTangenT | hahahaha |
| 13:44.36 | *** join/#bzflag WinXp (i=4ad01055@gateway/web/cgi-irc/zeebrothers.net/x-54e86ee93aa7985c) |
| 13:45.14 | eTangenT | yo Winny |
| 13:47.39 | Tedius | wow, someone needs to clean up Evanejk's mess on the forums |
| 13:47.40 | donny_baker | oh... i could be _abdeknnory |
| 13:48.18 | eTangenT | I still like TenT Nag best |
| 13:48.32 | donny_baker | rofl |
| 13:48.38 | Tedius | 5 threads on two forums about the same issue |
| 13:49.11 | Tedius | he even quoted himself from one forum into another |
| 13:50.21 | Tedius | I mean aEejknsv's mess |
| 13:51.22 | donny_baker | guyfawkes_usa post cracked me up |
| 13:51.46 | eTangenT | aFikmmnorSs quit! |
| 13:51.47 | donny_baker | he told learner and L4m3r to let the developers code a fix or they could do it themselves :P |
| 13:51.55 | eTangenT | haha |
| 13:51.59 | eTangenT | what an idiot |
| 13:52.04 | eTangenT | he must be from my high school |
| 13:52.05 | eTangenT | :-\ |
| 13:52.06 | eTangenT | really |
| 13:52.11 | eTangenT | nobody else is that stupid |
| 13:52.15 | donny_baker | and then he got pissed at me for pointing this out :) |
| 13:52.54 | donny_baker | all I seem to do is piss people off lately... |
| 13:53.02 | donny_baker | and you know, I'm ok with that |
| 13:53.20 | eTangenT | hah |
| 13:53.28 | eTangenT | being annoying is all I'm good at |
| 13:53.29 | eTangenT | :> |
| 13:53.35 | eTangenT | at any rate |
| 13:53.38 | eTangenT | it's like my school |
| 13:53.43 | eTangenT | myspce forum... |
| 13:53.54 | eTangenT | "TangenT, you're such a geek who spends all day on teh internet." |
| 13:53.59 | eTangenT | "Hey you, are you reading this?" |
| 13:54.03 | eTangenT | "yeah, ya moron." |
| 13:54.11 | eTangenT | "Good. You're sitting here online, also." |
| 13:54.22 | eTangenT | "I HATE YOU, I'LL BEAT YOU UP WHILE YOU'RE AT WORK, YOU WIMP." |
| 13:54.27 | eTangenT | and he never showed up. |
| 13:54.28 | donny_baker | :) |
| 13:54.40 | eTangenT | then he proceeded to continue raging about how I was so weak and I would so lose a fight with him |
| 13:59.23 | eTangenT | but yeah |
| 13:59.34 | eTangenT | that's why I hated high school, in a nutshell |
| 14:03.18 | donny_baker | my guess is that one of them is a_met, that is one of the accounts usually impersonated by CRW |
| 14:05.17 | eTangenT | funny |
| 14:05.24 | eTangenT | CRW was in here yesterday |
| 14:11.52 | eTangenT | hm |
| 14:12.47 | *** join/#bzflag Macrosoft (n=Macrosof@c-75-65-79-249.hsd1.la.comcast.net) |
| 14:13.16 | Macrosoft | hi |
| 14:13.24 | *** join/#bzflag Macint (n=peterm@c-2ed5e155.2410-4-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 14:14.13 | Macrosoft | can anyone tell me the "/" command to add people to groups |
| 14:14.47 | *** join/#bzflag SpazzyMcGee (n=Spazzy_M@client-86-31-37-212.leed.adsl.virgin.net) |
| 14:15.13 | Macrosoft | like to add someone to LOCAL.ADMIN |
| 14:15.20 | Tedius | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:15.25 | Macint | yeh |
| 14:15.30 | Macrosoft | thanks, i think |
| 14:16.03 | Tedius | this should work to: /setgroup Tedius LOCAL.ADMIN |
| 14:16.08 | Tedius | ;) |
| 14:16.14 | Macint | it does :D |
| 14:16.26 | Macrosoft | it says setgroup command is disabled |
| 14:17.29 | Macint | do u have a group and user db file? |
| 14:17.38 | Macint | do u have a group and user db file? |
| 14:17.53 | Macrosoft | no,how do i include that in server config |
| 14:18.08 | Macint | -userdb /path/to/userdb.txt |
| 14:18.17 | Macrosoft | ok, thanks |
| 14:18.24 | Macint | -groupdb /path/to/groupdb.txt |
| 14:19.02 | Macint | and restart the server and conect to it then u should see ur name listed in the file |
| 14:19.16 | Macrosoft | how do i change groups if server is already running |
| 14:19.26 | Macint | what? |
| 14:19.39 | Macint | add premsisions? |
| 14:20.27 | Macrosoft | i already have server running, i want to add to the LOCAL.ADMIN group without restarting the server |
| 14:20.47 | Macint | well sry but u have to change the conf file and restart the server |
| 14:20.57 | Macrosoft | hmm... |
| 14:20.59 | Tedius | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.04 | Macint | ? |
| 14:21.49 | Tedius | sorry, nevermind |
| 14:22.27 | eTangenT | Tedius |
| 14:23.05 | Tedius | yes |
| 14:23.05 | eTangenT | I just scared a guy off of Fanton Chaos |
| 14:23.05 | eTangenT | Emo_Way_!_ |
| 14:23.05 | eTangenT | or something |
| 14:23.05 | eTangenT | ah well :D |
| 14:23.05 | eTangenT | I shot him with SB twice |
| 14:23.06 | eTangenT | :| |
| 14:23.09 | Macrosoft | he was on mine earlier |
| 14:23.55 | eTangenT | heh |
| 14:23.59 | Macint | whats ur server macrosoft? |
| 14:24.01 | Macrosoft | anyone like CTF with rogues |
| 14:24.12 | eTangenT | CTF with rogues is stupid |
| 14:24.18 | Macrosoft | its on the top of the list |
| 14:24.27 | Macrosoft | destructioon_server |
| 14:24.31 | Macint | ok |
| 14:24.39 | Macrosoft | *dedtruction |
| 14:24.49 | Macrosoft | *destruction |
| 14:25.08 | Macrosoft | yes, spelled it right that time |
| 14:25.37 | Macrosoft | its not too laggy today, under 300ms |
| 14:45.43 | Macrosoft | looks like everyones moving to badgerking's |
| 14:46.00 | Macrosoft | only 3 players on mine now :( |
| 14:46.18 | donny_baker | it happens |
| 14:47.28 | Macrosoft | well, its not that bad, i have to leave for work in 30m, so the server wont have any admin until 8:30 tonight |
| 14:48.10 | Macrosoft | its up to the players to vote off cheaters now |
| 14:51.40 | *** join/#bzflag davemicc (n=c2water@cpe-071-071-001-026.triad.res.rr.com) |
| 14:56.51 | *** join/#bzflag RatOmeter (n=chatzill@139.78.95.188) |
| 15:05.32 | *** join/#bzflag JBdiGriz (n=jbdigriz@206-15-67-5.static.twtelecom.net) |
| 15:05.32 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JBdiGriz] by ChanServ |
| 15:06.14 | *** join/#bzflag Macint (n=peterm@c-2ed5e155.2410-4-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 15:36.40 | *** join/#bzflag h3ath (n=heath@c-71-207-247-195.hsd1.al.comcast.net) |
| 15:36.49 | *** join/#bzflag TimRiker (n=timr@216.49.181.128) |
| 15:36.49 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 15:53.41 | *** join/#bzflag RatOmeter (n=chatzill@139.78.95.188) |
| 16:20.00 | *** join/#bzflag Erroneous (n=dtremena@67-131-219-2.dia.static.qwest.net) |
| 16:20.18 | *** join/#bzflag h3ath (n=heath@c-71-207-247-195.hsd1.al.comcast.net) |
| 16:23.41 | *** join/#bzflag jwir3|Zzzz (n=scottj@c-66-41-249-30.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 16:25.31 | Thumper_ | brlcad: I still don't understand why config.h.in files are in the repository: src/other/curl/lib/config.h.in and src/other/curl/src/config.h.in both have a comment on line 1 stating it's autogenerated from configure.ac |
| 16:25.51 | Thumper_ | if I delete bzflag/src/other/curl/lib/config.h.in autogen.sh just brings it right back again |
| 16:27.05 | Thumper_ | the one in bzflag/src/other/curl/src/config.h.in may need to stay as a template |
| 16:38.47 | *** join/#bzflag JeffM (n=JeffM@unaffiliated/jeffm) |
| 16:47.02 | KTL | but the autogen.sh is not supposed to be run every time iirc |
| 16:48.57 | Erroneous | KTL: we don't check in configure, so autogen.sh needs to be run at least once |
| 17:02.42 | davemicc | how can I make fairCTF work with the 2.0 branch? |
| 17:06.00 | donny_baker | it was written for the 2.0.x branch as far as I know |
| 17:06.10 | donny_baker | what isn't working? |
| 17:08.57 | davemicc | it says to upgrade it...wrong API version |
| 17:09.56 | davemicc | in bzfsAPI.h it says: #define BZ_API_VERSION 16 |
| 17:10.06 | davemicc | I mean 15 |
| 17:10.16 | davemicc | I just changed it to 16 to see if it helped |
| 17:10.22 | JeffM | that won't |
| 17:10.29 | JeffM | what versioin of BZFS do you have? |
| 17:10.40 | davemicc | the 2.0 branch out of svn |
| 17:10.57 | JeffM | and you build the plugin or used a premade binary? |
| 17:11.44 | davemicc | oh..sorry...I know the problem |
| 17:11.49 | JeffM | more then one BZFS? |
| 17:11.58 | davemicc | built it on the wrong machine |
| 17:12.04 | davemicc | heh |
| 17:24.26 | *** join/#bzflag h3ath (n=heath@c-71-207-247-195.hsd1.al.comcast.net) |
| 17:38.12 | brlcad | Thumper_: it's true that both aren't needed -- whichever is the "second" one is the one that's needed |
| 17:38.26 | brlcad | might have accidentally commited both, but only the second needed to be added |
| 17:56.41 | *** join/#bzflag L4m3r (i=l4m3r@about/essy/warning/L4m3r) |
| 17:56.41 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v L4m3r] by ChanServ |
| 17:56.49 | *** join/#bzflag tupone (n=atupone@pdpc/supporter/active/Tupone) |
| 17:56.49 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v tupone] by ChanServ |
| 18:07.12 | *** join/#bzflag poolio (n=poolio@c-69-251-3-107.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 18:08.50 | *** join/#bzflag LongDon (n=LongDon@dyndsl-085-016-204-127.ewe-ip-backbone.de) |
| 18:21.23 | *** join/#bzflag h3ath (n=heath@c-71-207-247-195.hsd1.al.comcast.net) |
| 18:21.29 | *** join/#bzflag poolio_ (n=poolio@c-69-251-3-107.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 18:23.19 | *** join/#bzflag wert613 (n=shhh@adsl-76-208-48-236.dsl.sbndin.sbcglobal.net) |
| 18:23.33 | wert613 | heya guys =D |
| 18:25.07 | Gravel | you there Tedius? |
| 18:25.47 | Gravel | ahh well |
| 18:25.50 | Gravel | buh bye |
| 18:25.52 | *** part/#bzflag Gravel (n=shhh@adsl-76-208-48-236.dsl.sbndin.sbcglobal.net) |
| 18:36.45 | *** join/#bzflag Jefenry (n=jeffreyd@pool-162-83-124-239.norf.east.verizon.net) |
| 18:40.34 | *** join/#bzflag h3ath (n=heath@c-71-207-247-195.hsd1.al.comcast.net) |
| 18:42.49 | *** join/#bzflag Suspect (n=Suspect@68-113-164-151.dhcp.plt.ny.charter.com) |
| 18:42.56 | *** join/#bzflag MPS (n=MPS@84.245.185.109) |
| 18:55.45 | *** join/#bzflag Winny (n=Winny@CPE0016b6de59f3-CM000f9fac8236.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 18:57.32 | Thumper_ | brlcad: so the second one is... src/config.h.in from this line of code? |
| 18:57.33 | Thumper_ | src/other/curl/buildconf:cp lib/config.h.in src/config.h.in |
| 19:00.24 | *** join/#bzflag Legoguy_ (n=Legoguy@70.142.197.169) |
| 19:01.16 | *** join/#bzflag Winny (n=Winny@CPE0016b6de59f3-CM000f9fac8236.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 19:03.09 | brlcad | Thumper_: yes, the one in src is the extra one then |
| 19:03.52 | Thumper_ | so I've removed both of them from my locally cleaned build tree |
| 19:04.12 | Thumper_ | and am trying to build |
| 19:04.26 | Thumper_ | I assume it should break in an obvious way ... |
| 19:06.05 | Thumper_ | after autogen... the lib version is back |
| 19:09.15 | Thumper_ | brlcad: if I delete both of these from the repo what is going to break? It's building fine for me (so far) but maybe it's some other platform that will choke |
| 19:22.16 | *** join/#bzflag L4m3r (i=l4m3r@s122-253.resnet.ucla.edu) |
| 19:22.16 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v L4m3r] by ChanServ |
| 19:23.45 | *** join/#bzflag [darek] (n=[darek]@2.174.unknown.vectranet.pl) |
| 19:24.10 | brlcad | Thumper_: the lib version should be back, it's the second one -- the one in src/ that isn't guaranteed |
| 19:25.09 | Thumper_ | um so taht sounds like the src one should be kept and the lib one can be deleted |
| 19:25.20 | brlcad | heh |
| 19:25.23 | brlcad | no, the other way around |
| 19:25.26 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 19:25.44 | brlcad | that's why their buildconf does what it does |
| 19:25.59 | Thumper_ | now I deleted both before I started my build |
| 19:26.02 | brlcad | presumably you're also building with curl enabled |
| 19:26.03 | Thumper_ | the src one is still missing |
| 19:26.28 | brlcad | ahh, yes that will work |
| 19:26.30 | Thumper_ | the other one has been recreated but the changes are all in comments only |
| 19:26.49 | brlcad | but then you can't go to src/other/curl and build everything |
| 19:26.56 | brlcad | i only had it build libcurl for bz |
| 19:27.03 | brlcad | which is lib/ only |
| 19:27.18 | brlcad | if you go to the dir, and tried to build all of curl, it'd fail |
| 19:27.33 | Thumper_ | ok I've never done anything 'special' in the build |
| 19:27.33 | brlcad | minor detail, but doesn't hurt to have the file sitting in src |
| 19:27.40 | brlcad | the one in lib could be removed though |
| 19:27.42 | Thumper_ | just the default autogen.sh && ./configure && make incantation |
| 19:27.51 | Thumper_ | ok I'd like to remove the lib one |
| 19:27.54 | brlcad | default is auto-detection |
| 19:28.03 | Thumper_ | since that's the one I;m getting flagged as changed and I don't want to be commiting it (every) |
| 19:28.07 | Thumper_ | -y |
| 19:28.12 | brlcad | make sense |
| 19:28.15 | Thumper_ | so you okay with me removing the lib version? |
| 19:28.19 | brlcad | go for it |
| 19:28.23 | Thumper_ | thx. sorry about all the noise : |
| 19:28.24 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 19:28.33 | brlcad | sorry for not being more clear |
| 19:28.46 | brlcad | but i blame the gnu folks regardless |
| 19:29.10 | Thumper_ | np :) thanks for the input |
| 19:29.14 | Thumper_ | the lib version is toast (soon) |
| 19:29.20 | Thumper_ | and I'll leave the src version alone |
| 19:29.36 | donny_baker | mmm, toast.. can i have mine with jelly |
| 19:33.42 | *** part/#bzflag [darek] (n=[darek]@2.174.unknown.vectranet.pl) |
| 19:33.49 | *** join/#bzflag [darek] (n=[darek]@2.174.unknown.vectranet.pl) |
| 19:34.07 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03bthansen * r14294 10/trunk/bzflag/src/other/curl/lib/config.h.in: |
| 19:34.07 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Remove autogenerated file |
| 19:34.07 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: This is created by autogen.sh and doesn't need to be in the repository |
| 19:50.08 | *** join/#bzflag CBG (n=CBG@cpc4-stme1-0-0-cust103.cdif.cable.ntl.com) |
| 19:58.29 | *** join/#bzflag donny (n=donny__@about/essy/vvvvv/donnybaker) |
| 20:00.26 | Chestal | hmm, in the extra observer info, what are the speed values in () supposed to mean? |
| 20:00.45 | Chestal | I am pretty sure I am following some who is too ast (maybe extremely high fps peroblem) |
| 20:00.45 | JeffM | computed values |
| 20:00.52 | Chestal | but both values in obs info look ok |
| 20:00.58 | Chestal | ah, I remmeber now |
| 20:01.10 | Chestal | the problem is that it will result in spikes of high speed |
| 20:01.12 | JeffM | they are the ones computed based on the updates, NOT the velocity vector passed in |
| 20:01.17 | Chestal | but you won't see them |
| 20:01.35 | Chestal | because they only show up for maybe 1 or 2 frames |
| 20:02.11 | Chestal | hmm, could display the maximum of last second or so |
| 20:02.42 | Chestal | the guy in question is not answering |
| 20:03.39 | ts | Hmm, I remember meno said something about the computed values not being correct |
| 20:03.54 | JeffM | they are as objserved |
| 20:04.03 | JeffM | they also don't comp for lag |
| 20:04.14 | JeffM | so they are not representitive of the actual motion of the player |
| 20:04.29 | ts | With too high FPS speed values go up but the displayed ones doesn't, IIRC |
| 20:04.31 | Chestal | it is very obvious that he is moving too fast |
| 20:04.46 | ts | I've a better check.. |
| 20:04.59 | ts | but ugly |
| 20:05.05 | ts | Chestal: Where is he? |
| 20:05.10 | JeffM | or just fix the client :) |
| 20:05.17 | Chestal | JeffM: do you remember how the values are computed exactly? always when a new MsgPlayerUpdate is received, it's dx/dt? |
| 20:05.25 | Chestal | ts: search for "pentagon" |
| 20:05.29 | JeffM | it's a DT yeah |
| 20:05.35 | JeffM | track the local time of the last update |
| 20:05.38 | JeffM | and it's postion |
| 20:05.45 | JeffM | then get the DT, and the distance |
| 20:07.56 | brlcad | yay, got a libplatform window up and running |
| 20:08.56 | JeffM | what is libplatform? |
| 20:09.05 | brlcad | heh |
| 20:09.19 | brlcad | bz's src/platform library |
| 20:09.33 | JeffM | ahhh that thing |
| 20:11.00 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14295 10/trunk/bzflag/include/AnsiCodes.h: supposed to include common before any system headers |
| 20:11.00 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14296 10/trunk/bzflag/include/FontManager.h: header cleanup, make constructor/destructor private because it's a singleton |
| 20:11.03 | brlcad | now to do the opengl bindings |
| 20:12.11 | JeffM | what are you doing? |
| 20:12.39 | brlcad | oh, nothing special |
| 20:12.49 | JeffM | riiighhhhtttt |
| 20:13.00 | Chestal | looks like it was just a plain cheater who doubled his turn rate |
| 20:19.48 | *** join/#bzflag h3ath (n=heath@c-71-207-247-195.hsd1.al.comcast.net) |
| 20:31.54 | *** join/#bzflag tupone (n=atupone@pdpc/supporter/active/Tupone) |
| 20:31.54 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v tupone] by ChanServ |
| 20:32.30 | tupone | TimRiker, ibot is not logging anymore |
| 20:37.12 | *** join/#bzflag amcnabb (n=amcnabb@c-71-195-212-252.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 20:38.41 | *** join/#bzflag trovao (n=trovao@201008097050.user.veloxzone.com.br) |
| 20:39.53 | amcnabb | In the DefaultSpawnPolicy, I noticed that it sets: playerData->player.setRestartOnBase(false); |
| 20:40.33 | amcnabb | At one point I thought that players would always respawn at the base, but this seems to show that it wouldn't. Is my memory bad? |
| 20:40.47 | amcnabb | (this is in capture the flag mode) |
| 20:44.19 | brlcad | amcnabb: if I recall correctly, that's so that the next time the player spawns, they don't respawn on the base |
| 20:44.45 | amcnabb | brlcad: for some reason I was thinking that they would always respawn on the base. |
| 20:44.49 | brlcad | whether they should respawn on a base for that given drop selection was already determined |
| 20:45.05 | TimRiker | tupone: really? /me looks. |
| 20:45.13 | tupone | last is 1st |
| 20:45.17 | brlcad | look up to the enclosing conditional shouldRespawnOnBase() up above |
| 20:45.45 | *** join/#bzflag LongDo1 (n=LongDon@dyndsl-085-016-017-135.ewe-ip-backbone.de) |
| 20:46.18 | amcnabb | brlcad, so when a player enters the game, they respawn at the base, but at any later time they respawn anywhere in the world. Is that right? |
| 20:46.20 | *** join/#bzflag Deepa (n=deepa@wrongplanet/deepa) |
| 20:46.38 | brlcad | amcnabb: basically if it's ctf mode .. when the policy is queried the first time, that value is true so they respawn on base.. then the policy sets it to no so that the next time they won't -- elsewhere a flag capture sets it back to true |
| 20:46.46 | brlcad | right |
| 20:47.41 | brlcad | if it's not set to true, or if there aren't any bases, or if it's not ctf mode, then it's a random drop dictated by the larger section below |
| 20:48.39 | brlcad | that's also intentionally modularized so if you want different spawn behavior -- like always spawning on a base -- you can readily do that |
| 20:48.39 | amcnabb | Thanks for the clarification. |
| 20:48.53 | brlcad | new spawn policies that are registered can be selected at run-time |
| 20:49.36 | *** join/#bzflag jude- (n=jude@c-68-84-206-92.hsd1.az.comcast.net) |
| 20:49.37 | TimRiker | tupone: yep. sorry. some hiccups are likely as I swap machines. I fixed the cron job and I'm running the last to dumps by hand. thanx. |
| 20:49.41 | jude- | hello all |
| 20:49.59 | tupone | :) thanks to you for running it |
| 20:50.09 | TimRiker | np |
| 20:50.50 | *** join/#bzflag PrezKennedy (n=Matthew@c-69-255-112-97.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 20:51.40 | *** join/#bzflag TD-Linux (n=TD-Linux@about/essy/indecisive/TD-Linux) |
| 20:52.02 | brlcad | to register a new spawn policy, you basically add your new policy files and then just add two lines to src/bzfs/SpawnPolicyFactory.cxx (one for the header, one to register) |
| 20:59.43 | *** join/#bzflag L4m3r (i=l4m3r@about/essy/warning/L4m3r) |
| 20:59.43 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v L4m3r] by ChanServ |
| 20:59.56 | Erroneous | howdy jude- |
| 21:04.12 | jude- | Erroneous: I've removed the gcc-specific stuff from the build |
| 21:04.22 | jude- | thanks for pointing that out! |
| 21:04.31 | Erroneous | no problem :) |
| 21:05.11 | Erroneous | 'tis one of the disadvantages of only using one compiler, you never realize what is and is not standard :) |
| 21:05.35 | Erroneous | (unless you get beat over the head with it every time you use one that's not ;) ) |
| 21:06.27 | JeffM | I had a similar issue with map::errase :) |
| 21:06.42 | Erroneous | indeed |
| 21:07.00 | Erroneous | each compiler has its own set of extensions and limitations |
| 21:07.01 | JeffM | damn thing SHOULD return an iterator ) |
| 21:07.14 | Erroneous | makes sense :) |
| 21:07.23 | Erroneous | but then, map::at makes sense too ;) |
| 21:07.39 | JeffM | indeed |
| 21:07.57 | Erroneous | it's being considered for inclusion in the next c++ revision |
| 21:08.51 | jude- | that's a relief |
| 21:09.05 | jude- | when is that due? |
| 21:09.18 | Erroneous | sometime in the next three years |
| 21:09.29 | Erroneous | so it should be widely implemented by 2020 or so |
| 21:09.35 | brlcad | :) |
| 21:09.41 | Erroneous | hehe |
| 21:09.57 | brlcad | it's funny because it's true |
| 21:10.09 | Erroneous | yeah, I know...C99 is still considered "cutting edge" |
| 21:11.41 | Erroneous | for an industry that makes a habit of moving fast, it's a bit surprising that the language standards are so glacial :) |
| 21:12.19 | brlcad | our products are fast |
| 21:12.23 | brlcad | our tools are slow |
| 21:12.54 | brlcad | you'd think they were the same thing |
| 21:13.01 | Erroneous | for some, our tools are our products :) |
| 21:13.09 | jude- | hehe--language proliferation |
| 21:13.24 | Chestal | pfft, moving fast, nothing new since lisp was invented ;-) |
| 21:13.58 | jude- | I guess its good that languages move slowly--errors that Erroneous (no pun intended) encountered with my build are less common than they could be |
| 21:14.30 | Erroneous | heh, gives microsoft time to catch up ;) |
| 21:14.56 | jude- | lol |
| 21:16.58 | Erroneous | jude-: openbsd doesn't bother with that...they just add years to the "only 2 remotely exploitable holes in the default install in NN years" counter :) |
| 21:17.12 | jude- | yup |
| 21:17.18 | jude- | two? |
| 21:17.21 | jude- | I thought it was only 1 |
| 21:17.21 | Erroneous | yup |
| 21:17.26 | Erroneous | they got another one last year |
| 21:17.30 | jude- | I see |
| 21:17.41 | jude- | the first was the ssh1 exploit, IIRC... |
| 21:17.44 | jude- | what was the 2nd? |
| 21:17.54 | Erroneous | one of those "aww crap now we have to revise our marketing materials" moments |
| 21:18.09 | jude- | lol |
| 21:18.35 | L4m3r | one of those moments where the marketron wails "NOOOOOOO" like Darth Vader |
| 21:20.30 | Erroneous | jude-: http://groups.google.co.uk/group/n3td3v/browse_thread/thread/14589b3e38f84074/bd975888ea885fed |
| 21:21.55 | jude- | interesting |
| 21:22.17 | amcnabb | I'm looking at a weird bug we're seeing with shooting, and I was wondering if I could ask a question or two to help in tracking it down. |
| 21:22.30 | *** join/#bzflag L4m3r_ (i=l4m3r@about/essy/warning/L4m3r) |
| 21:22.30 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v L4m3r_] by ChanServ |
| 21:22.33 | jude- | the fix took 5 days |
| 21:22.43 | amcnabb | I noticed that there's a special check for laser shots to not get hit by the first segment. |
| 21:23.08 | amcnabb | I'm wondering if there's any similar check to make sure that you don't get hit by other shots right as they're leaving your tank. |
| 21:23.46 | amcnabb | I'm wondering if the playing loop is going quickly enough that we're getting collision checks before the bullet has gotten out of range. |
| 21:23.52 | amcnabb | Does that seem like a reasonable theory? |
| 21:24.10 | Erroneous | jude-: as opposed to two years, for certain remotely-exploitable bugs by a certain other operating system vendor :) |
| 21:24.30 | JeffM | the shot should be infront of the tank ( at the muzzle pos ) and has your velocity AND it's shot vel |
| 21:24.31 | jude- | indeed |
| 21:24.48 | JeffM | so it should not be able to kill you in the instant it is fired |
| 21:25.23 | Erroneous | amcnabb: gm's cannot hit within the first _gmActivationTime seconds |
| 21:25.48 | JeffM | others can, cus there shot dynaics should not let that happen, unless it's a valid reason to die ( rico ) |
| 21:26.05 | JeffM | or if you had realy slow shot vars set |
| 21:26.20 | amcnabb | Hmm. |
| 21:26.25 | Erroneous | yeah, if _shotSpeed < _tankSpeed, you can kill yourself with your own shots |
| 21:26.51 | JeffM | GM has it, cus if your locked, it'll turn, and won't go away from your movement vector |
| 21:27.06 | Erroneous | GM does not inherit forward motion from the tank either |
| 21:27.21 | amcnabb | I'll look into this a little more. These are interesting comments. |
| 21:27.49 | Chestal | shotSpeed < 1.5 * tankSpeed is enough because you coudl fire when going full backward |
| 21:27.53 | Erroneous | shockwave can't kill the tank that fired it in any circumstance |
| 21:28.29 | JeffM | tho I guess you could make a teleporter case that could make you die on your own SW |
| 21:29.01 | *** join/#bzflag poolio (n=poolio@c-69-251-3-107.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 21:29.03 | Erroneous | JeffM: no, it can't kill your own tank (we do a myTank check on it) |
| 21:29.08 | JeffM | I know |
| 21:29.19 | JeffM | I'm saying you could construct a case where you would expect it to |
| 21:29.23 | Erroneous | yup |
| 21:29.50 | brlcad | it briefly did at least during 1.9 testing |
| 21:30.10 | Erroneous | yeah, iirc you could run into your own shockwave |
| 21:30.20 | brlcad | where you could drop slow moving shock waves with a high-speed huge map.. fun stuff |
| 21:34.31 | L4m3r | I always thought shockwave kamikaze would be fun |
| 21:34.37 | L4m3r | big shockwave, but you die too |
| 21:35.24 | L4m3r | actually, for the short time that SWdeath was popular, that was a fun use for the PZ flag. people would actually run away from you if you approached them with PZ :D |
| 21:41.04 | KTL | the new starcraft has a black hole effect, frightening to see |
| 21:48.47 | JeffM | nix text files end in \r or \n? |
| 21:48.55 | purple_cow | \n |
| 21:49.02 | JeffM | thanks |
| 21:49.04 | purple_cow | \r is for suckers |
| 21:49.37 | jude- | \n\r is in Windows-formatted text, yes? |
| 21:49.47 | Erroneous | \r\n |
| 21:49.56 | jude- | some combination of the two :) |
| 21:50.18 | JeffM | I just need to know what one to get rid of |
| 21:50.36 | JeffM | If I kill all the \r then I can tok on \n on the major OSs |
| 21:50.41 | JeffM | screw system 7 macs :) |
| 21:50.55 | Erroneous | through system 9 even :) |
| 21:51.05 | JeffM | screw classic macs |
| 21:51.08 | JeffM | that better? |
| 21:51.16 | L4m3r | Screw macs. |
| 21:51.16 | Erroneous | tokenize on both \r and \n, and toss empty tokens |
| 21:51.18 | L4m3r | :) |
| 21:51.26 | JeffM | I just do a replace |
| 21:51.28 | JeffM | it's fast |
| 21:51.47 | Erroneous | or use getline :) |
| 21:51.54 | JeffM | getline? |
| 21:52.24 | Erroneous | most stream classes have a getline function |
| 21:52.30 | Erroneous | so read a line at a time |
| 21:52.35 | Erroneous | rather than tokenizing after the fact |
| 21:52.50 | Erroneous | then it's even faster |
| 21:53.46 | *** join/#bzflag CBG (n=CBG@cpc4-stme1-0-0-cust103.cdif.cable.ntl.com) |
| 21:54.05 | Erroneous | also be aware that \n is not necessarily CR and \r is not necessarily LF |
| 21:54.07 | JeffM | der file came from der interweb directly, may not be a real file |
| 21:54.14 | Erroneous | err, vice vesa |
| 21:54.20 | Erroneous | versa even |
| 21:54.32 | Erroneous | they're implementation-dependent |
| 21:54.45 | JeffM | any OS I care about, change them? |
| 21:55.00 | Erroneous | MSVC changes the behavior of \n based on where it is |
| 21:55.05 | Erroneous | dunno about others |
| 21:55.25 | Erroneous | i.e. \n will match cr+lf in a sscan |
| 21:55.29 | JeffM | ahh |
| 21:55.34 | JeffM | not doing those |
| 21:55.46 | JeffM | if it's a file I just read it in binary mode |
| 21:57.19 | Erroneous | ah |
| 21:57.19 | JeffM | then ftell to see how big it is |
| 21:57.19 | Erroneous | seems like a bit of a waste :) |
| 21:57.19 | JeffM | then slap it into a string |
| 21:57.20 | JeffM | well when I get it into a subversion repo, you can refactor it for me if you wan :) |
| 21:57.29 | Erroneous | "let the machine do the work" |
| 22:07.04 | *** part/#bzflag LongDo1 (n=LongDon@dyndsl-085-016-017-135.ewe-ip-backbone.de) |
| 22:11.06 | *** join/#bzflag poolio_ (n=poolio@c-69-251-3-107.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 22:16.20 | *** join/#bzflag LongDon (n=LongDon@dyndsl-085-016-017-135.ewe-ip-backbone.de) |
| 22:19.00 | *** join/#bzflag LongDon (n=LongDon@dyndsl-085-016-017-135.ewe-ip-backbone.de) |
| 22:21.58 | *** join/#bzflag LongDon (n=LongDon@dyndsl-085-016-017-135.ewe-ip-backbone.de) |
| 22:22.40 | *** join/#bzflag LongDon (n=LongDon@dyndsl-085-016-017-135.ewe-ip-backbone.de) |
| 22:24.17 | TimRiker | trepan's emails addy is bouncing. |
| 22:24.33 | JeffM | not a huge suprise |
| 22:33.04 | PrezKennedy | hooray i got http://osgaming.net/ running again |
| 22:33.25 | PrezKennedy | finally had time to muck around and find the problem |
| 22:41.19 | KTL | hu a perl application converted to a java web applet?? |
| 22:41.52 | KTL | frozen bubbles |
| 22:58.38 | *** join/#bzflag LongDon (n=LongDon@dyndsl-085-016-017-135.ewe-ip-backbone.de) |
| 23:02.28 | *** part/#bzflag SpazzyMcGee (n=Spazzy_M@client-86-31-37-212.leed.adsl.virgin.net) |
| 23:11.22 | *** join/#bzflag poolio (n=poolio@c-69-251-3-107.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 23:11.43 | tannerld | PrezKennedy: Edutainment = Entertainment? |
| 23:12.02 | PrezKennedy | its supposedly educational entertainment |
| 23:12.11 | *** part/#bzflag LongDon (n=LongDon@dyndsl-085-016-017-135.ewe-ip-backbone.de) |
| 23:14.11 | tannerld | hmm |
| 23:14.35 | tannerld | PrezKennedy: probably should just say Education Entertainment |
| 23:15.16 | blast007 | or Fun Learnin' |
| 23:15.53 | PrezKennedy | darn yahoo... the only website ive ever encountered thats too incompetent to take my money |
| 23:19.50 | Winny | Does anyone know if trepan ever made those graphical patches he did awhile back availble? |
| 23:20.17 | blast007 | if they aren't in SVN/CVS, then no |
| 23:21.36 | Winny | kk |
| 23:41.59 | *** join/#bzflag Suspect (n=Suspect@68-113-164-151.dhcp.plt.ny.charter.com) |
| 23:43.48 | *** join/#bzflag Tedius (n=Tedius@76.205.126.20) |
| 23:49.02 | *** join/#bzflag Deepa (n=deepa@wrongplanet/deepa) |
| 23:51.12 | *** join/#bzflag triclops (n=triclops@124-168-3-131.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 23:59.27 | *** join/#bzflag Suspect (n=Suspect@68-113-164-151.dhcp.plt.ny.charter.com) |
