| 00:17.07 | Winny | nanana batman! |
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| 01:37.31 | jude- | hello al |
| 01:37.38 | tannerld | hello |
| 01:43.33 | Winny | hello jude- |
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| 02:08.09 | jude- | back |
| 02:08.26 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r14238 10/trunk/bzflag/ (42 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 02:08.26 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: HUDDialog refactoring |
| 02:08.26 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: * Caveat: breaks the focus rendering on the server list, I'll fix it soon |
| 02:08.26 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: enough. I'd like to know if anything else is broken though. (I'd bet money it |
| 02:08.26 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: breaks the build on some variety of gcc, or crashes, or something). |
| 02:08.27 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: * Let the dialogs control navigation more directly. Skipping controls, nested |
| 02:08.31 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: controls, and navigating out of order are all now possible. Should make true |
| 02:09.29 | DTRemenak | yay for essay-sized commit messages :) |
| 02:10.04 | Winny | later everyone |
| 02:11.15 | menotume | ForestForce is about to play their 2000th match at Quol:5158 |
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| 02:19.48 | purple_cow | the novelty is gone ;) |
| 02:20.56 | DTRemenak | mmm, novels |
| 02:21.26 | purple_cow | I've only written one novel-size commit message |
| 02:21.29 | purple_cow | maybe that's the next step |
| 02:21.36 | DTRemenak | maybe |
| 02:25.49 | jude- | I guess we should use as many words as necessary, and not a word more |
| 02:26.29 | jude- | brb |
| 02:46.18 | jude- | back |
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| 04:02.05 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14239 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: too much, too many |
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| 04:37.52 | daniel_jackson | hey jude |
| 04:39.10 | jude-_ | hello daniel_jackson |
| 04:39.53 | jude- | there we go :) |
| 04:40.13 | daniel_jackson | thats better |
| 04:40.35 | jude- | indeed |
| 04:40.38 | jude- | ~nickometer jude- |
| 04:41.25 | daniel_jackson | lol |
| 04:41.25 | jude- | ~nickometer jude-_ |
| 04:42.03 | jude- | see? 10% better |
| 04:42.20 | daniel_jackson | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:43.57 | jude- | lol |
| 04:43.57 | daniel_jackson | see I'm ten percent better than I was when I hit enter' |
| 04:43.58 | jude- | lol |
| 04:43.59 | daniel_jackson | hell 10% of my my beard grew back waiting on output |
| 04:45.22 | jude- | heh--been there. I get noon shadow :P |
| 04:45.58 | jude- | as opposed to 5-o'clock shadow |
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| 04:45.59 | biggeruniverse | no talking! |
| 04:45.59 | daniel_jackson | no |
| 04:46.00 | jude- | BLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAH ad infinitum |
| 04:46.05 | biggeruniverse | ha! |
| 04:46.33 | biggeruniverse | that's like saying "don't press the big red button" |
| 04:47.03 | daniel_jackson | I'm sry but my universe is correctly preportioned I don't need you! lol |
| 04:47.25 | biggeruniverse | that's awfully self-secure |
| 04:47.56 | daniel_jackson | if it goes bad I hop to other dimensions |
| 04:48.08 | biggeruniverse | Open this email to learn how you too can get a B1GGER universe! |
| 04:58.19 | biggeruniverse | beware of fake pillz! |
| 04:58.19 | daniel_jackson | only 3 easy installments of 29.95? |
| 04:58.19 | jude- | so for $90 you can neuter yourself? |
| 04:58.19 | biggeruniverse | to the wife of the former president of Nigeria |
| 04:58.19 | daniel_jackson | lol |
| 04:58.19 | daniel_jackson | well if thats a problem, you can get prothetics! lol |
| 04:58.20 | biggeruniverse | prosthetic universe... |
| 04:58.20 | biggeruniverse | maybe we are one... |
| 04:58.20 | jude- | lol |
| 04:58.20 | jude- | not needed |
| 04:58.20 | jude- | "I use a UNIX-based OS, which means I get laid as often as I have to reboot!" |
| 04:58.20 | biggeruniverse | wow |
| 04:58.20 | biggeruniverse | see, that's still widely variable |
| 04:58.20 | biggeruniverse | depends on box, and release and tinkering |
| 04:58.20 | daniel_jackson | according to the "flat earth society" the universe is fake |
| 04:58.20 | biggeruniverse | Ha! The electric universe is weirder |
| 04:58.20 | biggeruniverse | *electromagnetic |
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| 04:58.21 | biggeruniverse | I just witnessed a head-on nick collision... |
| 04:58.21 | jude- | ...damn flaky ISP... |
| 04:58.21 | jude- | I had to re-connect myself |
| 04:58.21 | daniel_jackson | why the dual screennames? |
| 04:58.22 | biggeruniverse | for the lameness factor |
| 04:58.22 | jude- | "jude-_" is what irssi gives me when I have to reconnect |
| 04:58.22 | jude- | so I have to kill my nick and then re-identify with it |
| 04:58.22 | daniel_jackson | ok |
| 04:58.23 | biggeruniverse | You finally did it- you blew it up! |
| 04:58.23 | daniel_jackson | why are you on comcast? |
| 04:58.23 | jude- | no choice |
| 04:58.23 | daniel_jackson | parents? |
| 04:58.23 | jude- | it's the only broadband ISP in range |
| 04:58.23 | jude- | that too :) |
| 04:58.23 | daniel_jackson | are you in the US? |
| 04:58.24 | jude- | yes |
| 04:58.24 | daniel_jackson | arizona? |
| 04:58.24 | jude- | yes |
| 04:58.24 | jude- | Comcast is the only broadband ISP in Tucson |
| 04:58.24 | biggeruniverse | new mexico? |
| 04:58.25 | jude- | so they can get away with being flaky--there's no competitor |
| 04:58.25 | daniel_jackson | weird you should at least have a choice between DSL (from phone company), and Cable |
| 04:58.25 | biggeruniverse | Even if there was, my friend, they would have a "flakiness" agreement... |
| 04:58.25 | jude- | DSL is too slow |
| 04:58.25 | biggeruniverse | DSL is the bomb |
| 04:58.26 | daniel_jackson | true, but its not comcast! |
| 04:58.26 | jude- | when Comcrap decides to work, I average about 400 MBits |
| 04:58.27 | biggeruniverse | but I have statics |
| 04:58.27 | jude- | *KBits |
| 04:58.28 | jude- | (if it were MBits, I wouldn't be complaining :)--I'd just download the Internet) |
| 04:58.28 | biggeruniverse | what about when the intarweb is slow? |
| 04:58.54 | jude- | if I downloaded the Internet, I'd just explore it offline |
| 04:58.54 | biggeruniverse | I have an old version of the internet |
| 04:59.11 | a_meteorite | jude-: you know how many terabytes the internet archive has..? |
| 04:59.11 | jude- | so I'd use BitTorrent :) |
| 04:59.15 | jude- | oh, disk space? |
| 04:59.23 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 04:59.26 | jude- | driver-level compression |
| 04:59.47 | biggeruniverse | I love the web archive |
| 05:00.09 | biggeruniverse | old site with neat code trick missing for last 3 years? no problem! |
| 05:00.19 | biggeruniverse | bring on the archive! |
| 05:00.23 | jude- | plus you can find all those censored articles |
| 05:00.34 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 05:00.41 | a_meteorite | the archive can be very useful |
| 05:00.47 | jude- | such as the HD-DVD encryption key :) |
| 05:00.53 | a_meteorite | :P |
| 05:01.41 | biggeruniverse | "they" modify things in the archive! be careful! |
| 05:01.43 | biggeruniverse | <.< |
| 05:01.44 | biggeruniverse | >.> |
| 05:02.20 | a_meteorite | commence ominous "oooooooooOOoOOohhhh" |
| 05:02.27 | jude- | heh--I just download'em when the surface, so no one can erase them from the archive |
| 05:02.33 | jude- | s/the/they |
| 05:03.03 | biggeruniverse | theym? |
| 05:03.18 | jude- | s/"the surface"/"they surface" |
| 05:03.27 | biggeruniverse | hehe |
| 05:03.29 | a_meteorite | "The Internet Archive Wayback Machine contains almost 2 petabytes of data and is currently growing at a rate of 20 terabytes per month" |
| 05:03.32 | biggeruniverse | regex |
| 05:03.49 | jude- | a_meteorite: source? |
| 05:03.52 | biggeruniverse | no prob. throw that on holographic storage |
| 05:03.58 | a_meteorite | the internet archive FAQ |
| 05:04.00 | jude- | there we go :) |
| 05:04.46 | jude- | where do they put it all? |
| 05:04.53 | a_meteorite | no idea |
| 05:05.25 | biggeruniverse | they have their own spider |
| 05:05.47 | biggeruniverse | it used to be a bunch of HP workstations in someone's basement on the presidio |
| 05:05.58 | biggeruniverse | on in beautiful SanFran |
| 05:06.02 | biggeruniverse | *out it |
| 05:06.08 | biggeruniverse | *out in |
| 05:06.10 | biggeruniverse | gah |
| 05:06.16 | jude- | we get it :) |
| 05:06.20 | biggeruniverse | no! |
| 05:06.25 | biggeruniverse | you couldn't possibly! |
| 05:07.21 | biggeruniverse | For future reference: if I'm speaking, assume it's sarcastically |
| 05:07.40 | biggeruniverse | I wondered what that was in my ear... |
| 05:08.12 | jude- | for future reference, I intentionally play along with sarcasm for additional humor |
| 05:08.22 | biggeruniverse | that's not funny |
| 05:08.37 | jude- | it's funny if you don't understand what's going on :) |
| 05:09.13 | biggeruniverse | Then reality ought to be a lot more humorus... |
| 05:09.18 | biggeruniverse | humourus |
| 05:09.25 | biggeruniverse | hell with it... |
| 05:09.56 | jude- | indeed--reality is the most humorous form of entertainment |
| 05:10.08 | biggeruniverse | that it! |
| 05:10.11 | biggeruniverse | humorous |
| 05:10.40 | biggeruniverse | reads the paper! ha! |
| 05:10.43 | biggeruniverse | ludite! |
| 05:11.05 | jude- | nah |
| 05:11.14 | jude- | It's easier than reading it online |
| 05:11.18 | jude- | for now |
| 05:11.32 | jude- | in fact, it's the only printed material I read |
| 05:11.37 | jude- | everything else, I read online |
| 05:11.39 | biggeruniverse | your screen is obviously too small |
| 05:11.49 | jude- | 15.4" isn't THAT small... |
| 05:12.06 | JeffM | yeah it is |
| 05:12.11 | jude- | (my main machine is an HP Pavillion dv5000t laptop) |
| 05:12.16 | biggeruniverse | I wouldn't know |
| 05:12.23 | JeffM | I have a 15.4 siting next to a 24 |
| 05:12.25 | JeffM | it's small :) |
| 05:12.26 | biggeruniverse | heh |
| 05:12.31 | jude- | ...so my face is usually closer to the screen than with a desktop |
| 05:12.43 | biggeruniverse | I have dual 19"s |
| 05:13.21 | biggeruniverse | no! |
| 05:13.28 | biggeruniverse | everyone makes that mistake |
| 05:13.33 | jude- | oh? |
| 05:13.51 | biggeruniverse | I much prefer that each monitor actually be run by a separate machine |
| 05:14.10 | jude- | I'm not getting THAT much money... |
| 05:14.11 | biggeruniverse | then just use synergy2 to make them *logically* one machine |
| 05:14.17 | jude- | ahhj |
| 05:14.20 | jude- | *ahh |
| 05:14.27 | jude- | is there a Linux port? |
| 05:14.35 | biggeruniverse | I'm using it |
| 05:14.42 | jude- | all-righty then! |
| 05:14.52 | biggeruniverse | I love me some synergy |
| 05:14.59 | biggeruniverse | no, it works on windows too |
| 05:15.20 | jude- | free, I hope? |
| 05:15.23 | biggeruniverse | of course |
| 05:15.36 | biggeruniverse | sourceforge |
| 05:15.57 | JeffM | dual head is the way to go |
| 05:16.06 | JeffM | my main runs a 24 and a 19 |
| 05:16.06 | jude- | yay! there's a build! |
| 05:16.19 | biggeruniverse | When I have my laptop on the network, I fire up synergy on that one too, and just have one mouse/keyboard for the boxes |
| 05:16.32 | biggeruniverse | *three |
| 05:17.59 | jude- | so, you use Sun Ultra 20s? |
| 05:18.06 | biggeruniverse | at work |
| 05:18.15 | biggeruniverse | at home I have a couple dells |
| 05:18.28 | jude- | what are their stats? |
| 05:18.56 | biggeruniverse | lappy: l400 600Mhz P3 128M |
| 05:19.04 | biggeruniverse | dimension 3000 |
| 05:19.35 | biggeruniverse | then the bigger one is a dual athlon64 +3800 |
| 05:19.53 | jude- | I was about to say, that lappy probably makes you pine for the U20 :P |
| 05:20.24 | biggeruniverse | that lappy is what I rewrote bzfs on |
| 05:20.31 | biggeruniverse | *and* tested it |
| 05:20.34 | jude- | nice |
| 05:20.43 | jude- | to ensure it ran on a wide range of hardware? |
| 05:20.48 | biggeruniverse | Last manufactured in 2001 ;) |
| 05:21.06 | biggeruniverse | to ensure that if I could endure it, it was fast enough for anything else |
| 05:21.52 | jude- | that's what I meant |
| 05:21.55 | biggeruniverse | heh |
| 05:24.47 | biggeruniverse | the ironic part is that I can't play bz on the dual box. :( |
| 05:25.26 | jude- | why not? |
| 05:25.26 | biggeruniverse | well, I can, but the jitter is unmanagable |
| 05:25.44 | jude- | why does it jitter? |
| 05:25.57 | biggeruniverse | that's a long story |
| 05:26.09 | biggeruniverse | don't run dual athlons in linux |
| 05:26.17 | jude- | why not? |
| 05:26.17 | biggeruniverse | that's the moral, anyway |
| 05:26.29 | jude- | 64-bit issues? |
| 05:26.31 | biggeruniverse | CPU timing thing |
| 05:26.57 | jude- | oh |
| 05:27.26 | biggeruniverse | well, part of the problem is how long it goes without a reboot, but it's a hardware issue that *can* be fixed in software |
| 05:28.07 | jude- | AMD offers a fix on their site... |
| 05:29.44 | biggeruniverse | It really bugs me that GIMP has no layer groups |
| 05:30.27 | jude- | run Photoshop in WINE |
| 05:31.18 | biggeruniverse | well, there's this one problem |
| 05:31.24 | biggeruniverse | Photoshop |
| 05:31.37 | biggeruniverse | GIMP is in my price range |
| 05:31.50 | JeffM | elements is cheap |
| 05:32.05 | biggeruniverse | 0 < mypricerange < 0 |
| 05:32.16 | biggeruniverse | 0 <= mypricerange <= 0 |
| 05:32.17 | biggeruniverse | heh |
| 05:32.22 | biggeruniverse | negative is good too |
| 05:33.22 | jude- | let me know if you find something with a negative price tag :) |
| 05:33.46 | biggeruniverse | I've seen it many times with 2-year contract cell phone services |
| 05:34.01 | biggeruniverse | just watch dealnews.com |
| 05:34.09 | jude- | the phone services pays you to use their service? |
| 05:34.35 | biggeruniverse | nah, there's usually some big rebate, like $150 that actually puts it in the negative |
| 05:34.45 | biggeruniverse | don't worry, they still make money off of you |
| 05:34.58 | jude- | I was afraid of that :) |
| 05:35.05 | biggeruniverse | I could tell |
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| 15:32.03 | Macint | hi i am writing a shell script to start my bzflag server, but when it runs it just shutsdown? |
| 15:32.44 | Macint | is there somthing i can write to keep it open? |
| 15:32.46 | Macint | thx. |
| 15:33.01 | Thumper_ | does it exit right away or does it start a game for a short time? |
| 15:33.21 | Macint | exits i think |
| 15:33.33 | Macint | i dont know |
| 15:33.37 | Thumper_ | without the script just entering bzfs ... doe sit work? |
| 15:33.49 | Macint | w8 |
| 15:34.13 | Macint | yes |
| 15:34.21 | Macint | but there is nothing in it |
| 15:34.35 | Thumper_ | what does the script pass as options to bzfs ? |
| 15:34.49 | Macint | just the normal stuff |
| 15:34.53 | Macint | w8 |
| 15:36.46 | Macint | #! /bin/sh |
| 15:36.46 | Macint | Desktop/bzflag/bzfs -conf /var/www/bzflag/sandboxconfig.conf -p 1111 -public "mlinuxserver Admin Sandbox [Admins Only]" -publicaddr mlinuxserver.no-ip.org:1111 -world /var/www/bzflag/maps/boggie.bzw -srvmsg "#######################" -srvmsg "# Laser Floor Evary #" -srvmsg "# 3 Minutes #" -srvmsg "# Enjoy. #" -srvmsg "#######################" -fb -autoTeam -groupdb "/var/www/bzflag/sandbox.txt" |
| 15:37.08 | Macint | brb |
| 15:37.11 | blast007 | when you run that exact line from a shell, from the same directory, what does it do? |
| 15:39.24 | Macint | well i dont have it on the derectory it wants |
| 15:39.29 | Macint | i think |
| 15:40.05 | Thumper_ | Macint: are you sure it starts at all? can the script find the bzfs binary? try just running bzfs -version in the script and run with trace on |
| 15:40.29 | Macint | it works now |
| 15:40.54 | Macint | i didnt pu it in the home folder |
| 15:41.03 | Macint | how stupid! |
| 15:41.27 | Thumper_ | pilot error happens alot :) |
| 15:41.39 | Macint | but is there a command u can have to get a new prompt(window) |
| 15:42.35 | blast007 | depends what you're using... Xterm? Konsole? |
| 15:42.45 | blast007 | Konsole has tabs |
| 15:42.46 | Macint | on ubuntu its called Terminal |
| 15:42.57 | Macint | (wich is what i am using) |
| 15:42.59 | blast007 | ah, Gnome |
| 15:43.02 | Thumper_ | I run my bzfs detached with a sh incantation to disassociate it from the controlling terminal and stuff all the output in a log file |
| 15:43.24 | Macint | ok |
| 15:44.16 | Macint | mind if i take a look @ that? |
| 15:44.23 | Thumper_ | basically it's bzfs >logfile 2>&1 & |
| 15:44.28 | blast007 | Macint: is there some command to open a new tab? |
| 15:44.33 | Thumper_ | then that's wrapped in another one to disassociate form the terminal |
| 15:44.35 | Macint | yeh! |
| 15:44.38 | blast007 | could always use screen |
| 15:44.41 | Macint | i want to know that |
| 15:44.51 | Macint | Macint: is there some command to open a new tab?' |
| 15:44.58 | Macint | thats what i want |
| 15:45.04 | blast007 | check your menus then |
| 15:45.08 | Thumper_ | um ctrl/t ? |
| 15:45.17 | Macint | yeh but in the sh script! |
| 15:45.32 | blast007 | huh? |
| 15:45.35 | Thumper_ | um yeah :) |
| 15:45.42 | Thumper_ | what blast said |
| 15:45.47 | blast007 | there is a "Tabs" menu |
| 15:45.56 | Thumper_ | what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 15:46.02 | Macint | but how would i get that in the shell script |
| 15:46.09 | blast007 | ... |
| 15:46.18 | blast007 | please make some sense :) |
| 15:46.20 | Macint | start 1 serv then open tab the 2 serv |
| 15:46.21 | Thumper_ | open window, start shell script, minimize window |
| 15:46.25 | Thumper_ | use other window? |
| 15:46.29 | blast007 | use tabs |
| 15:46.56 | Thumper_ | what are you expecting this other 'tabbed' window to give you? |
| 15:47.02 | Thumper_ | just another shell prompt or access to the bzfs server? |
| 15:47.05 | Macint | another prompt |
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| 15:47.26 | Macint | i have like 4 servers (bzflag servers) |
| 15:47.27 | Thumper_ | well if you run 'your-shell-script &' |
| 15:47.34 | Macint | i want it to start one in each tab |
| 15:47.34 | Thumper_ | it'll fork and give the prmopt back |
| 15:47.41 | Thumper_ | but if it's spewing lots of output it'll get in your way |
| 15:47.45 | Thumper_ | so ship the output to a file for later viewing |
| 15:48.15 | Thumper_ | I don't know if you want do that 'automatically' from the script or not |
| 15:48.19 | Thumper_ | you can start a new window easy enough |
| 15:48.26 | Thumper_ | just not sure how you get to a new tab |
| 15:48.26 | Macint | how |
| 15:48.34 | Macint | window is fine |
| 15:48.36 | blast007 | Macint: look at your menus |
| 15:48.45 | Macint | but in the shell? |
| 15:48.50 | Macint | so it does it auto |
| 15:48.57 | Macint | so the shell makes a new tab |
| 15:49.01 | Macint | is that possible? |
| 15:49.02 | blast007 | the shell has NOTHING to do with the tabs |
| 15:49.09 | Macint | oh :/ |
| 15:49.13 | Macint | sad |
| 15:49.14 | blast007 | makeing a new tab starts a NEW shell |
| 15:49.18 | Macint | sry for that |
| 15:49.25 | Macint | ok |
| 15:49.27 | Macint | i see |
| 15:50.05 | Macint | is there a deamon mode for bzfs? |
| 15:51.04 | Thumper_ | bzfs & works for me |
| 15:51.19 | Macint | ok may I look @ ur script? |
| 15:51.21 | Thumper_ | deamon mode? |
| 15:51.28 | Thumper_ | sure |
| 15:51.31 | Macint | thx |
| 15:52.36 | Deepa | I just use screen |
| 15:52.43 | Macint | ok |
| 15:53.34 | Thumper_ | Macint: there's a lot of 'extra' stuff in my script you won't care about |
| 15:53.44 | Macint | ok |
| 15:54.32 | Thumper_ | serverloop: does while true; do bzfs -world bzfs.bzw ...; sleep 5; done |
| 15:54.47 | Thumper_ | and start-server-loop runs that detached with |
| 15:54.54 | Thumper_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:56.02 | Macint | Thumper_: ok |
| 15:56.09 | *** part/#bzflag Steve14 (n=stephan@p54884E66.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:56.12 | Thumper_ | http://www.norang.ca/tmp/start-server-loop |
| 15:56.18 | Thumper_ | http://www.norang.ca/tmp/server-loop |
| 15:56.45 | Thumper_ | you can ignore most of what's in there since it deals with creating server cache files |
| 15:56.52 | Thumper_ | and shipping hte logs to a remote webserver |
| 15:56.57 | Macint | ok |
| 15:58.07 | Thumper_ | other people use screen... :) |
| 15:58.15 | Macint | ok |
| 15:59.10 | Macint | Deepa: mind if i look @urs? |
| 15:59.33 | Deepa | screen -S bzflag_armchairs_01 bzfs... |
| 15:59.48 | Deepa | something like that |
| 15:59.52 | Macint | what? |
| 15:59.56 | Macint | makes no sense |
| 15:59.59 | Deepa | I'm on the wrong computer |
| 16:00.04 | Macint | ok |
| 16:00.11 | Deepa | screen -S bzflag_armchairs_01 <-- that starts a screen |
| 16:00.17 | Deepa | and sets the name of the screen to bzflag_armcairs_01 |
| 16:00.27 | Deepa | Now the "bzfs..." part is what defines the content of the screen |
| 16:00.35 | Macint | ok and where do u teel it to start the server? |
| 16:00.52 | Deepa | screen -S bzflag_armchairs_01 <here you type the bzfs stuff> |
| 16:01.03 | Macint | ahhh ok |
| 16:01.09 | Deepa | screen -S bzflag_01_arm bzfs -conf bzfs.conf -a 0 0 |
| 16:01.12 | Deepa | thats how mine looks like |
| 16:01.27 | Macint | and when i u have multiple servers? |
| 16:01.36 | Deepa | I got one folder for each server |
| 16:01.45 | Deepa | screen -S bzflag_02_arm bzfs -conf bzfs.conf -a 0 0 (for server number 2) |
| 16:01.48 | Deepa | screen -S bzflag_03_arm bzfs -conf bzfs.conf -a 0 0 (for server number 3) |
| 16:01.49 | Deepa | etc |
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| 16:02.14 | Macint | ok and u open them all by hand? |
| 16:02.21 | Deepa | yes |
| 16:02.27 | Macint | ok that makes sense |
| 16:02.29 | Macint | thx! |
| 16:02.35 | Deepa | But I only reboot every 280th day :) |
| 16:02.41 | Deepa | or at crashes |
| 16:02.42 | Macint | ok |
| 16:02.51 | Deepa | ah well, I gotta run now |
| 16:02.51 | Deepa | cya |
| 16:02.56 | Macint | bye |
| 16:11.05 | brlcad | DTRemenak: start bzflag, hit escape twice |
| 16:12.04 | Thumper_ | that and the tank icon on the server list is MIA |
| 16:12.05 | brlcad | haven't investigated any other than to isolate it -- it's whenever you remove the menu and return (no icon/cursor and shortly after crashes) |
| 16:12.55 | brlcad | otherwise, much nicer navigation controls |
| 16:18.02 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14240 10/trunk/bzflag/src/ (bzadmin/Makefile.am bzflag/Makefile.am bzrobots/Makefile.am): more crib five cleanup |
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| 16:19.21 | brlcad | oops, the -statics weren't intentional -- lemme know if they cause problems |
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| 17:13.12 | DTRemenak | Epyon: pong |
| 17:13.42 | DTRemenak | brlcad: cool. debugger goes nuts on it, looks like a blown stack |
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| 17:14.24 | DTRemenak | or something |
| 17:14.50 | DTRemenak | at least on windows. claims to die in std::string::append, of all places |
| 17:18.35 | JeffM | DTRemenak / L4m3r spam in announcements |
| 17:20.36 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r14241 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/MainMenu.cxx: bad doggie, no invalid pointers allowed in the navqueue. |
| 17:20.47 | tannerld | eheh |
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| 17:34.20 | TASAIRES | problem on BZflag and debian etch |
| 17:34.25 | TASAIRES | hello to alls |
| 17:34.47 | TASAIRES | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.20 | TASAIRES | Autokick: you move more speed |
| 17:35.45 | TASAIRES | ?? how i can prevent that? |
| 17:36.22 | DTRemenak | could be that your framerate is too high, sometimes that throws off our physics calculations |
| 17:36.54 | TASAIRES | DTRemenak Thanks!! ;) |
| 17:37.29 | DTRemenak | you can check your framerate with the T key (or Y? one of them) |
| 17:37.50 | TASAIRES | ok |
| 17:38.07 | DTRemenak | if its more than about 300 or 400, you may start seeing issues |
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| 17:39.34 | TASAIRES | bye |
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| 17:39.53 | DTRemenak | bye... |
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| 17:51.02 | wanda | hi, svn 14241, could someone please add ../bzflag/HUDNavigationQueue.[cxx|h] entries to bzrobots_SOURCES in src/bzrobots/Makefile.am? |
| 17:52.31 | JeffM | why would a headless client need the hud gui? |
| 17:54.54 | wanda | JeffM: you ask me? |
| 17:56.33 | JeffM | it's a general statement :) |
| 17:57.07 | wanda | HUDNavigationQueue.o is needed for linking in the bzrobots directory |
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| 17:57.28 | JeffM | what file inludes the nav header? |
| 17:58.11 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r14242 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzrobots/Makefile.am: it builds the menus (who knows why), so give it the navigation queue |
| 17:59.02 | JeffM | cheap :) |
| 17:59.54 | DTRemenak | it builds all of the menus |
| 17:59.59 | DTRemenak | I didn't write it :) |
| 18:04.12 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03bthansen * r14243 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/FormatMenu.cxx: Fix shadowed variable |
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| 18:08.44 | wanda | DTRemenak: 14242, by removing ../bzflag/LoginMenu, u killed the (newline) in Makefile.am ... sorry for u , please repair |
| 18:09.28 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r14244 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzrobots/Makefile.am: no line continuation there thx |
| 18:09.52 | wanda | new run ... thanks |
| 18:13.44 | TD-Linux | I should start playing with bzflag source |
| 18:13.54 | TD-Linux | once I get a laptop that can run bzflag :)_ |
| 18:14.20 | Constitution | how close is 2.1 to a feature freeze? |
| 18:14.43 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 18:15.26 | Constitution | not very close, I take it? :-) |
| 18:15.35 | JeffM | you assume thre is a plan |
| 18:15.36 | JeffM | there is not |
| 18:15.41 | JeffM | hard dates are not set |
| 18:16.12 | JeffM | heck even feature lists are not set :) |
| 18:16.28 | Constitution | hm |
| 18:17.43 | JeffM | if you want to add something |
| 18:17.44 | JeffM | add it |
| 18:17.47 | JeffM | that's how it works |
| 18:18.21 | Constitution | yeah, I was going to ask, if I try to code this up: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=10843, is there any risk of new features getting frozen out in 2.1 before I'm done... |
| 18:18.46 | TD-Linux | considering the previous releases, no |
| 18:18.48 | brad | Constitution: that can already be done with a plugin, no? |
| 18:19.06 | Constitution | brad: not really. I want to change base colors, etc. |
| 18:19.17 | brad | ah |
| 18:19.42 | Constitution | make it as simple as possible |
| 18:20.18 | JeffM | a hard "freeze" is never done |
| 18:20.21 | JeffM | even AFTER a release :) |
| 18:20.27 | JeffM | do what you want to do |
| 18:20.31 | Constitution | heh, okay |
| 18:20.32 | JeffM | there is no timeline, there is no plan |
| 18:20.36 | JeffM | there is no management |
| 18:20.58 | Constitution | sounds like a good recipie for success ;-) |
| 18:21.04 | JeffM | yeah |
| 18:21.06 | QuantumBeep | sounds like you're writing the refrain to a BZflag rock son |
| 18:21.20 | JeffM | releases are just somone says "how bout now" and others say "mehh" |
| 18:21.39 | scott | GIVE IT TO ME NOW! |
| 18:21.46 | QuantumBeep | how bout now |
| 18:22.04 | TD-Linux | nah |
| 18:22.40 | TD-Linux | Constitution: add an API and protocol to change map objects, then we say 'how bout now' |
| 18:22.59 | QuantumBeep | you mean modify maps in play? |
| 18:22.59 | Constitution | lol... okay, give me a few hours :-P |
| 18:23.04 | JeffM | people have said how bout now for months |
| 18:23.29 | Constitution | that would take a lifetime... this would actually be a fairly simple feature, IMHO |
| 18:24.14 | Constitution | furthermore, if bzflag becomes such that the game itself never changes, and plugins do every little task... I will not be very happy :-P |
| 18:25.28 | JeffM | if you did add an internal feature to change base colors, it would be good to also expose it via the API for other uses later |
| 18:25.28 | Constitution | hm, ok |
| 18:25.28 | Constitution | even for CTF style? |
| 18:25.49 | Constitution | or just so plugins can change base colors from within this CTB style? |
| 18:25.49 | brad | might aswell... could come in handy one day ;) |
| 18:25.57 | DTRemenak | can you anticipate what people will want to do? just expose anything that seems useful :) |
| 18:26.09 | JeffM | yeah, more external options is best |
| 18:26.26 | JeffM | you never know what people will come up with |
| 18:26.35 | Constitution | okay |
| 18:26.55 | JeffM | hardcode bad... modular good :) |
| 18:26.59 | Tedius | Constitution, I posted my idea on the thread, see what you think of it |
| 18:27.07 | Constitution | okay |
| 18:27.15 | Tedius | just a modified AHOD |
| 18:27.21 | Constitution | I'm posting a reply myself... will check in a moment |
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| 18:30.45 | JeffM | Constitution, what your describing is basiclcy "domination" style |
| 18:31.06 | JeffM | you dominate all the map points |
| 18:31.13 | Constitution | yeah |
| 18:31.22 | JeffM | I'd call it that |
| 18:31.31 | JeffM | CTB sounds like one base |
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| 18:31.58 | JeffM | CAB would be more accruate |
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| 18:32.03 | JeffM | as you have to capture all bases |
| 18:32.10 | Constitution | hmmm, ok |
| 18:32.14 | Constitution | still trying to think of a good way to make bases WORTH something, other than just preventing the opposition frow winning |
| 18:32.22 | brad | Constitution: how would you cope with only a few players there? (more players than bases) |
| 18:32.29 | Constitution | maybe making it so you have to spawn on them would be better... then they're worth something |
| 18:32.49 | Constitution | brad: how's that a problem? players can still capture the bases |
| 18:32.51 | JeffM | classic Domination gives points every N seconds to the team that has all map points |
| 18:32.52 | brad | is the idea to get at least 1 player on every base? |
| 18:32.58 | Constitution | no |
| 18:33.05 | Constitution | that was someone else's idea |
| 18:33.06 | JeffM | brad, LOTS of running |
| 18:33.12 | brad | oh |
| 18:33.12 | JeffM | it's actualy rather fun in UT |
| 18:33.21 | JeffM | 5 bases 2 people, run like mad :) |
| 18:33.25 | Constitution | :-) |
| 18:33.27 | brad | heh |
| 18:33.46 | Constitution | and you can hide the flags (just like you do in CTF) rather than leaving them on the base, so you can have a team guard them all in one place |
| 18:33.47 | JeffM | you have to do it where the state togles |
| 18:34.02 | JeffM | where the base can be caped with noone at it |
| 18:34.10 | JeffM | it's just not defended and risky |
| 18:35.59 | TD-Linux | the first problem you should tackle is the flags |
| 18:36.05 | TD-Linux | how about adding support for custom flags? |
| 18:36.39 | TD-Linux | or maybe have numbered flags |
| 18:36.42 | TD-Linux | 0* |
| 18:36.42 | TD-Linux | 1* |
| 18:36.43 | TD-Linux | etc |
| 18:36.47 | Constitution | yeah |
| 18:37.09 | TD-Linux | numbering would probably be the best |
| 18:37.22 | TD-Linux | you could use the special flags for lots of different purposes |
| 18:37.37 | TD-Linux | though the * implies that they are team flags |
| 18:37.47 | Constitution | and the base for that flag would blink on radar for as long as you are carrying the flag, as if it was "hunted" |
| 18:38.04 | Constitution | and maybe make the flag blink when you're sitting on the base, so you know which flag goes with it |
| 18:40.35 | TD-Linux | make the base a 'unsafe' zone for other bases' flags |
| 18:45.12 | tannerld | KTL: they're not organic otherwise there would be blood... |
| 18:45.44 | KTL | yes, tanks can't fly otherwise there would be wings :) |
| 18:46.15 | KTL | hey if once the tank AI improves a lot, then it could become interesting to let players keep them as servants |
| 18:46.33 | KTL | breeding out botarmies and attacking with them |
| 18:46.54 | KTL | too complicated ... so temptive |
| 18:50.57 | KTL | one could make a client that makes multiple connections, a players for each connection, all of them AI, the humand looking from the sky what they do, and taking over controll where he thinks it would help him the most |
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| 18:58.24 | Winny | bonjour les amis |
| 18:58.51 | rob1n | ~seen the_viper |
| 18:59.40 | ibot | the_viper <Viper@150.113.205.68.cfl.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 980d 17h 47m 9s ago, saying: 'ty'. |
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| 19:13.57 | KTL | on the one hand it would be interesting to let the power of players grow the better they are, giving them more bases, making it more memorable if they fall, on the other hand, in bz this would give new players no chances against experienced players |
| 19:15.17 | KTL | that's maybe what i liked about the modified mad city map, you get the tower, you keep the tower, from the tower you have the upperhand |
| 19:22.24 | cosmos | im still waiting for the code that will cause cheaters and spammers computers to explode |
| 19:22.41 | KTL | what if a server offered levels. Every level corresponds to a minimal player strength + map. People with strength x can only go in their own level and stronger. So they can fight against players from the same strength and stronger, but not choose to fight the not so strong players. |
| 19:23.17 | KTL | with bigger maps, the map could be divided into the zones for the levels |
| 19:27.31 | KTL | it are only experienced players that know how to get onto the tops of pyramids now too, ok mouse users |
| 19:31.55 | KTL | mmm what if teams where invite only" |
| 19:33.05 | KTL | everybody rogue by default, except when the teams are not occupied yet by a player |
| 19:33.28 | KTL | then TKing was passe |
| 19:34.17 | KTL | hey, wake up, might be a good idea |
| 19:34.18 | KTL | :D |
| 19:38.48 | Winny | tazer, even |
| 19:39.05 | rob1n | it's "taser" i think |
| 19:40.02 | Winny | smeh |
| 19:41.55 | KTL | maybe there are too many flags allready (in the same map) to innovate a lot |
| 19:42.41 | Winny | did I hear cue my "why flags suck" speech? :p |
| 19:45.30 | KTL | it's the fact that a single hit is fatal, it takes away possibilities, a health or shield status like any shooter has would break the ice |
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| 20:06.05 | eTangenT | ~bzfrag CBG |
| 20:06.18 | ibot | ACTION squishes CBG with a steamroller |
| 20:08.04 | CBG | KTHNXBYE |
| 20:11.19 | eTangenT | hi cbg |
| 20:13.47 | CBG | hi |
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| 21:21.45 | AAA_awright_ | Hey everyone, big match and party at netwton.bzfx.net:5154!! Mr. Nibbles will be there! |
| 21:22.22 | Winny | OMGMRNIBBLES |
| 21:22.24 | Winny | COMING |
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| 21:29.55 | jude- | hello all |
| 21:30.09 | L4m3r | good day |
| 21:30.18 | jude- | good day L4m3r |
| 21:30.41 | jude- | indeed, what a good day (in the US) it is! |
| 21:31.05 | L4m3r | when in fact I normally would not, on a Monday :P |
| 21:32.37 | L4m3r | but one of my co-workers is taking a holiday in Vegas, so I'm covering his shift. More hours for me... :P |
| 21:32.37 | jude- | don't you work for the state? |
| 21:32.37 | jude- | so, wouldn't you get Memorial Day off? |
| 21:32.37 | L4m3r | yes, but I work for a college, and the students gotta eat :P |
| 21:32.37 | jude- | ahh |
| 21:32.37 | jude- | that's different :) |
| 21:32.37 | L4m3r | I did get yesterday off, which was nice |
| 21:32.37 | jude- | indeed |
| 21:32.47 | jude- | did you get the GSoC start-of-coding surprise yet? |
| 21:32.49 | L4m3r | and I don't have class on friday, so it still amounted to a three-day weekend, heh |
| 21:32.56 | L4m3r | surprise? |
| 21:33.06 | jude- | check your e-mail |
| 21:33.23 | L4m3r | not yet |
| 21:33.25 | jude- | there's a big thread on it |
| 21:33.30 | jude- | me neither |
| 21:34.02 | jude- | given the thread's contents, I'm guessing its a book on GCC signed by Richard Stallman |
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| 21:54.34 | jude- | back |
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| 22:05.29 | davemicc | is using a bunch of overlapping boxes the best way to make a tunnel in blender? |
| 22:06.26 | jude- | try it out and see |
| 22:06.35 | jude- | ...or you could just make your own mesh |
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| 22:07.21 | davemicc | ok...I'll just mess with it and see what happens |
| 22:07.30 | jude- | that's what development is all about :) |
| 22:07.45 | davemicc | :) |
| 22:07.58 | JeffM | meshes are cleaner, geometricly |
| 22:08.02 | JeffM | but harder on the collision code |
| 22:08.12 | JeffM | you'd have to do a number of inside and outside points |
| 22:08.42 | JeffM | multiple boxes, or sub meshes may be easier to do from that standpoint |
| 22:09.04 | jude- | inside and outside points? |
| 22:09.17 | JeffM | yeah |
| 22:09.26 | JeffM | they are points you define with the mesh that are ether inside or outside |
| 22:09.38 | JeffM | to help the collison code deal with concave objects |
| 22:09.42 | jude- | how do we determine how many are needed? |
| 22:10.00 | JeffM | trial and error ?) |
| 22:10.06 | JeffM | it's odd |
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| 22:10.39 | JeffM | the collision code tries to draw rays from each point to the collider |
| 22:10.46 | JeffM | and see how many facesit crosses |
| 22:10.56 | JeffM | outside points shoudl cross even numberd faces |
| 22:11.01 | JeffM | insides should cross odd |
| 22:11.07 | jude- | ahh |
| 22:11.26 | jude- | I remember reading about collision methods like that |
| 22:11.35 | JeffM | if we could automate it, then we'd not need them,as the collision code could just automaticly add them :) |
| 22:12.03 | jude- | how hard can it be? :) |
| 22:12.18 | JeffM | given arbitrary geometry, hard |
| 22:12.23 | JeffM | a mesh can be anything |
| 22:12.28 | JeffM | and may be non manifold |
| 22:13.08 | jude- | it would be computationally costly, but meshes could, in theory, be broken down into convex chunks and/or geometric primitives and then processed accordingly... |
| 22:13.10 | JeffM | if you ensure that the object is maifold, you can compute it, it just make take a longtime |
| 22:13.21 | JeffM | jude-, only if they were manifold |
| 22:13.24 | JeffM | take a box |
| 22:13.28 | JeffM | subtract one face |
| 22:13.38 | JeffM | you can't break that down right :) |
| 22:13.52 | jude- | you would have five planes |
| 22:13.57 | JeffM | cept it's not |
| 22:14.08 | JeffM | the box faces wern't double sided |
| 22:14.19 | JeffM | it just gets complex |
| 22:14.29 | jude- | can they be made to be double-sided in that case? |
| 22:14.38 | JeffM | now a tool in your app to help compute some common inside/outside points and let them be hand tweaked, that'd be good |
| 22:15.45 | jude- | so, to clarify: meshes are defined in the world file, and a secondary pseudo-mesh defining a bounded zone accompanies it to facilitate collision detection? |
| 22:15.48 | JeffM | if you combine concave with non manifold, it get harder |
| 22:16.00 | JeffM | jude-, nope |
| 22:16.04 | JeffM | there is no bounding mesh |
| 22:16.08 | JeffM | just points |
| 22:16.18 | JeffM | points that are used WITH the draw mesh |
| 22:16.35 | JeffM | those points don't represent any sort of bounds |
| 22:16.59 | JeffM | IIRC, the code finds the closest inside or outside point to the collider |
| 22:17.05 | JeffM | draws a ray to the collider |
| 22:17.11 | JeffM | and counts how many faces it crosses |
| 22:17.32 | JeffM | if there are no points it uses the center of the bbox or sphere IIRC |
| 22:18.02 | JeffM | so the more complexly concave the object is, the more inside or outside points it should have |
| 22:18.13 | JeffM | asuming it can be collided on all sides |
| 22:18.24 | jude- | I wonder if the number and location of them can be expressed as a function of the topology of the mesh |
| 22:18.27 | JeffM | if one side butts up to another object, you don't worry much about that side |
| 22:18.33 | JeffM | jude-, maybe |
| 22:18.37 | JeffM | but it's contextual |
| 22:18.47 | JeffM | as it's also what's around it |
| 22:18.57 | JeffM | like the eding out ot something else thing |
| 22:19.17 | JeffM | personaly I find the collision code a hack |
| 22:19.34 | JeffM | I'd rather have as you stated, precomputed convex bounding volumes |
| 22:19.40 | JeffM | be faster and more consistent |
| 22:19.51 | jude- | and possible to compute at run-time |
| 22:20.36 | JeffM | yeah, if we add some limits or assumptions for map objects |
| 22:20.49 | JeffM | like auto caping non maifolds, etc.. |
| 22:21.45 | jude- | could you give an example of a non-manifold? |
| 22:21.54 | JeffM | that cube missing a face |
| 22:22.01 | jude- | how is it non-manifold? |
| 22:22.06 | JeffM | basicly if you filled it with water it'd leak |
| 22:22.08 | JeffM | not solid |
| 22:22.10 | JeffM | has gabs |
| 22:22.14 | JeffM | gaps |
| 22:22.27 | JeffM | the other faces are infinately thin |
| 22:22.51 | jude- | does the collider support handling collisions between objects and planes? |
| 22:22.53 | JeffM | basicly if the mathimatical representatioin can be the same a physical representation |
| 22:23.07 | JeffM | yeah that's it's final test |
| 22:23.17 | JeffM | for that cube case, it'd do it with face tests |
| 22:23.17 | tupone | but in that case, how you define an inside point? |
| 22:23.20 | JeffM | so that one woudl work |
| 22:23.32 | JeffM | tupone, you don't, that's why non manifolds suck |
| 22:23.45 | JeffM | and why I don't like our system |
| 22:23.55 | JeffM | that cube can't represent a real object |
| 22:24.05 | JeffM | a real object would have some thickness |
| 22:24.10 | JeffM | and could have some mass |
| 22:24.12 | tupone | so the inside/outside does not fix that |
| 22:24.15 | JeffM | no it dosn't |
| 22:24.25 | JeffM | inside/outside is for concave |
| 22:24.48 | JeffM | tho if that open face butted up against the ground |
| 22:24.56 | JeffM | you could do an inside point |
| 22:25.01 | JeffM | and it would work just fine |
| 22:25.10 | JeffM | that's how it getswierd |
| 22:25.16 | jude- | why doesn't the collider build a BSP or octree for each object such that each leaf was a plane or a point, and the collider can quickly eliminate chunks of the mesh that cannot collide with an object based on the object's position? |
| 22:25.18 | tupone | but then, why you remove that face |
| 22:25.42 | jude- | and then maybe do a plane-object or a point-object collision test and be done with it? |
| 22:26.08 | JeffM | jude-, because it wasn't writen that way |
| 22:26.15 | JeffM | the object is stored in an octree |
| 22:26.43 | JeffM | leafy bsps realy only work well if the objects at the ends are manifold ( can be defined by there bounding planes ) |
| 22:26.52 | JeffM | your more then welcome to rework it |
| 22:26.56 | JeffM | like I say I don't like it |
| 22:27.01 | JeffM | tupone, cus it'll never be drawn |
| 22:27.40 | JeffM | so you can remove it for speed |
| 22:27.40 | JeffM | and size |
| 22:27.41 | tupone | well, yeah, not for collision |
| 22:27.56 | JeffM | we dont' use seperate collisoon meshes |
| 22:28.02 | JeffM | so its' all tied together |
| 22:28.18 | jude- | well, if each leaf on the tree were to be an oriented plane (i.e. the "outward" normal was known), than the manifold-ness of an object shouldn't matter |
| 22:29.03 | JeffM | like I say, there are other ways to do it, trepan just didn't do it that way |
| 22:29.12 | JeffM | you have to remember, we didn't start with mesh suport |
| 22:29.27 | JeffM | all the existing collision code worked on convex boxes and pyramids |
| 22:29.30 | jude- | yeah, so I've heard |
| 22:29.33 | JeffM | meshes were shoved in for 2.0 |
| 22:29.50 | JeffM | so he probalby did the least amount of work to get them to collide using the existing stuff |
| 22:30.16 | jude- | what I'll probably try in BZWorkbench is using that concept to generate the inward-outward points based on planar orientation |
| 22:31.35 | JeffM | that'd be a good start |
| 22:31.42 | JeffM | but realy save that till last :) |
| 22:31.46 | jude- | indeed |
| 22:32.38 | jude- | btw, has brlcad set up the milestone submission page yet? |
| 22:33.08 | JeffM | dunno |
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| 22:53.24 | eTangenT | woooooooooooooooooooo |
| 22:53.31 | eTangenT | the TangenT has a second job now |
| 22:53.41 | eTangenT | NOT FAST FOOD! |
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| 22:55.00 | jude- | where are you working now? |
| 22:55.45 | eTangenT | a bowling alley |
| 22:55.48 | jude- | nice! |
| 22:55.52 | L4m3r | I made the slight step up from fast food to dorm food. Granted the food itself doesn't taste as good, but my co-workers are a helluvalot better. |
| 22:55.52 | jude- | free tickets? |
| 22:55.56 | eTangenT | I am gonna be working the kitchen |
| 22:56.02 | L4m3r | lol |
| 22:56.12 | eTangenT | jude-: Dunno for sure. |
| 22:56.15 | L4m3r | kitchen? you mean, snack shack? :P |
| 22:57.22 | jude- | eTangenT, why? |
| 22:57.44 | eTangenT | jude-: Dunno if there's free stuff. :P |
| 22:57.49 | eTangenT | I know there's $1 games |
| 22:58.01 | jude- | I mean, of all the places to work in a bowling ally, why the kitchen? |
| 22:58.09 | jude- | *alley |
| 22:58.17 | L4m3r | lol, bowling ally |
| 22:59.13 | eTangenT | jude-: Cuz I know how food stuff works now. |
| 22:59.49 | L4m3r | it's good to work in fast food once in your life |
| 23:00.02 | jude- | I know--I'm a deli clerk at Safeway |
| 23:00.08 | L4m3r | at least where I worked, the manager doesn't take any crap. the job trains you to work your entire shift. |
| 23:00.09 | eTangenT | L4m3r: I know. I work at Carl's Jr. in the morning. |
| 23:00.41 | eTangenT | dude |
| 23:00.43 | eTangenT | get the Spicy |
| 23:00.46 | eTangenT | but no mayo |
| 23:00.48 | L4m3r | when I got my job at the dorms, the boss was amazed that I actually worked |
| 23:00.49 | eTangenT | add santa fe sauce |
| 23:01.06 | jude- | lol |
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| 23:01.40 | L4m3r | $#@%$#$% |
| 23:01.42 | L4m3r | fire alarm |
| 23:01.42 | L4m3r | bbl |
| 23:02.22 | eTangenT | or even better. A Bacon Swiss, no ranch, no swiss, add pepperjack, add santa fe, add guacamole, add red onion |
| 23:02.31 | eTangenT | A Guacamole Crispy |
| 23:02.32 | eTangenT | :D |
| 23:02.37 | jude- | sounds like the guac burger |
| 23:02.42 | eTangenT | it is |
| 23:02.47 | jude- | but cheaper :) |
| 23:02.50 | eTangenT | just with crispy chicken, instead of $6 patty |
| 23:02.57 | jude- | lol |
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| 23:04.39 | jude- | how many hours per week do you work now, eTangenT? |
| 23:04.50 | eTangenT | at Carl's Jr., 35 |
| 23:05.09 | jude- | how about the bowling alley? |
| 23:05.27 | eTangenT | dunno |
| 23:05.32 | eTangenT | training starts next week |
| 23:05.44 | jude- | fun stuff |
| 23:05.53 | jude- | that's my unofficial duty at Safeway when we get a new employee |
| 23:06.27 | Winny | :D |
| 23:06.29 | eTangenT | at Carl's Jr., I got to teach all the new closers how to close |
| 23:06.30 | eTangenT | :-\ |
| 23:06.35 | jude- | same here |
| 23:06.41 | jude- | I only work closing shifts |
| 23:06.54 | jude- | Winny, cram it :) |
| 23:07.02 | eTangenT | yeah |
| 23:07.08 | eTangenT | cram it up your cram hole, LeFleur |
| 23:07.10 | Winny | I do work, just not at a place |
| 23:07.11 | Winny | :p |
| 23:07.21 | jude- | please elaborate? |
| 23:07.26 | eTangenT | Winny, making fun of n00bs isn't working. |
| 23:07.48 | Winny | I cut lawns... :p ~20 hours a week |
| 23:08.13 | jude- | how much does that bring in? |
| 23:08.17 | Winny | hmm |
| 23:08.42 | Winny | ~100-200 a week |
| 23:08.57 | eTangenT | haw |
| 23:08.57 | jude- | not bad |
| 23:08.57 | eTangenT | I still make more than you at Carl's Jr. |
| 23:08.58 | eTangenT | by like |
| 23:09.00 | eTangenT | $20 |
| 23:09.04 | eTangenT | :( |
| 23:09.05 | Winny | ...but you work longer :p |
| 23:09.22 | jude- | when I work full-time, I make about $330 per week |
| 23:09.33 | eTangenT | jude-: How much per hour? |
| 23:09.36 | jude- | $8.30 |
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| 23:10.14 | jude- | but I only work part-time this summer |
| 23:10.20 | jude- | (GSoC) |
| 23:10.37 | jude- | and I tutor 5 hours per week at $20 per hour |
| 23:11.15 | Winny | don't you get like 3500 for GSoC? |
| 23:11.20 | jude- | $4500 |
| 23:11.28 | jude- | I'm not sure if they take taxes out, though |
| 23:11.34 | Winny | wow, alot |
| 23:11.42 | eTangenT | dang |
| 23:11.46 | eTangenT | I should do GSoC next year |
| 23:11.51 | jude- | it's about $9.10 / hr if it were 40 hrs/week |
| 23:14.00 | jude- | Safeway isn't worth it, though |
| 23:14.10 | jude- | it's too indignifying |
| 23:15.31 | eTangenT | jude-: I'd hate to work at a grocery store. |
| 23:15.50 | jude- | I hate it too, but I need to stay on the payroll over the summer if I can't get a job as a lab TA |
| 23:18.54 | jude- | the bad part is that it's near a retirement community, so I get to deal with a bunch of pissed-off old people who are bitter at everyone because they're going to die soon and need someone to be their emotional punching bag. |
| 23:19.16 | jude- | our crew fills that need |
| 23:20.50 | jude- | that, and two of my coworkers are arguably mentally unstable |
| 23:21.21 | jude- | and I'm the only male on my shift |
| 23:22.05 | Winny | in anyone's opinion, what is the best free C++ editor? |
| 23:22.11 | jude- | Eclipse |
| 23:22.32 | jude- | you need the C++ plugins, though |
| 23:22.36 | jude- | but it's very robust |
| 23:22.49 | jude- | and cross-platform |
| 23:22.50 | JeffM | VC8EE :) |
| 23:23.12 | eTangenT | JeffM: _legally_ free |
| 23:23.13 | eTangenT | :P |
| 23:23.18 | JeffM | eTangenT, umm it is |
| 23:23.21 | JeffM | EE is free |
| 23:23.21 | eTangenT | jude-: I like Bluefish |
| 23:23.22 | eTangenT | eh? |
| 23:23.22 | Winny | Express edition |
| 23:23.23 | eTangenT | oh |
| 23:23.33 | eTangenT | thought that was enterprise, not express |
| 23:23.35 | JeffM | no |
| 23:23.39 | jude- | Bluefish is pretty good too :) |
| 23:23.44 | JeffM | VS is actualy a REALY good editor |
| 23:24.16 | Winny | Don't you need all sorts of funky addons for VC to work corectly? |
| 23:24.25 | JeffM | don't knock it till you try it |
| 23:24.27 | JeffM | Winny, no |
| 23:24.30 | jude- | I *have* tried it |
| 23:24.36 | JeffM | it can edit C code jsut fine |
| 23:24.43 | JeffM | you don't have to use it's compiler if you don't want to |
| 23:24.47 | Winny | Is that what you use, JeffM? |
| 23:24.51 | JeffM | I use 7.1 |
| 23:24.55 | JeffM | I have not made the change to 8 |
| 23:25.01 | JeffM | 8 is nicer in many respects |
| 23:25.24 | jude- | I used to use Dev-C++, but it's only good for small projects, methinks |
| 23:25.33 | JeffM | devC++ is a toy |
| 23:25.42 | jude- | that's why I don't use it anymore :) |
| 23:25.59 | JeffM | VS is even a decent HTML editor |
| 23:26.09 | jude- | I've tried VS, but it never caught on |
| 23:26.22 | jude- | weird, I know |
| 23:26.24 | JeffM | if you are used to a specific way of doing things, it can seem difrent |
| 23:26.52 | JeffM | Winny, the things you need are libs to get stuff like BZ to build |
| 23:26.53 | jude- | eTangenT: belay that command; get the latest from the website |
| 23:28.18 | JeffM | cus EE dosnt' come with direct X or the windows platform SDK |
| 23:28.18 | JeffM | but it does come with the basic C runtimes |
| 23:28.18 | eTangenT | jude-: Will do when I'm less lazy. |
| 23:28.18 | jude- | 3.2.1 is much better than Debian's 3.1 |
| 23:28.18 | JeffM | and if your just editing, you don't care about it's libs |
| 23:28.18 | JeffM | tho having the libs makes autocomplete a lot nicer |
| 23:28.18 | JeffM | as well as the built in help |
| 23:28.18 | jude- | If I just wanted to do some editing on Windows, I'd use Notepad++ |
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| 23:29.10 | jude- | kinda reminds me of Kwrite or gedit |
| 23:29.32 | Winny | Thanks for the info, installing VC |
| 23:29.49 | eTangenT | jude-: I like Kate |
| 23:29.57 | eTangenT | Kate is easy and somewhat nice |
| 23:30.02 | eTangenT | great for quick edits |
| 23:30.11 | jude- | that's what I meant: kate, not kwrite :/ |
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| 23:30.38 | L4m3r | I use Kate when I edit a lot of stuff |
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| 23:30.50 | jude- | it's pretty useful, that's for sure |
| 23:30.55 | L4m3r | but I have the shell open use KWrite |
| 23:31.10 | jude- | how did the fire alarm go? |
| 23:31.11 | L4m3r | I find that to be faster for messing around and opening basic stuff |
| 23:31.28 | L4m3r | Sigh. Burnt popcorn, again. you could smell it in the lobby. |
| 23:31.37 | eTangenT | GAH |
| 23:31.38 | jude- | mmmm...crunchy |
| 23:31.42 | eTangenT | stupid RTD trip planner |
| 23:32.01 | eTangenT | fastest bus route to the bowling alley from my house, according to it, is to go on the TRAIN |
| 23:32.04 | eTangenT | weee |
| 23:32.08 | eTangenT | let's pay FOUR TIMES MORE |
| 23:32.40 | L4m3r | invest in a bicycle :) |
| 23:32.53 | eTangenT | L4m3r: I have one. |
| 23:32.55 | eTangenT | It's a few miles. |
| 23:32.57 | Winny | or a pair of legs |
| 23:32.59 | jude- | or carpool with a friend :) |
| 23:33.53 | L4m3r | I've found that depending on roads, the bus only saves five minutes or so |
| 23:34.05 | L4m3r | at least in the urban sprawl down here |
| 23:34.07 | jude- | as compared to biking? |
| 23:34.17 | jude- | or scooterring? |
| 23:34.39 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 23:34.51 | KTL | be happy, some route planners from new york to antwerp suggest you jump in the sea and swim 4000 miles |
| 23:34.59 | L4m3r | the bus stops so frequently that it's hardly any faster |
| 23:35.09 | L4m3r | KTL: lol. |
| 23:35.19 | jude- | ~swim |
| 23:35.32 | ibot | Package administration and research tool for Debian. URL: http://the.netpedia.net/the-software.html |
| 23:35.46 | jude- | huh? |
| 23:35.58 | tannerld | heh |
| 23:36.01 | tannerld | the link is dead :P |
| 23:36.49 | jude- | bad ibot! |
| 23:36.52 | jude- | ~shoot ibot |
| 23:37.06 | ibot | ACTION shoots ibot in the head with a cork gun! |
| 23:39.38 | Winny | trying larting him ;) |
| 23:39.38 | jude- | ~lart ibot |
| 23:39.38 | ibot | takes out a cattle prod and gives jude- a good jolt |
| 23:39.40 | jude- | ~botabuse |
| 23:39.54 | ibot | from memory, botabuse is fun |
| 23:39.54 | Winny | give him time |
| 23:39.54 | Winny | :p |
| 23:39.55 | KTL | he can kick ... :) |
| 23:39.55 | jude- | ibot's a bit slow today... |
| 23:39.55 | Winny | yeah |
| 23:39.55 | KTL | don't make him angry:) he might have feelings |
| 23:39.55 | jude- | that'll be the day |
| 23:39.58 | Winny | hehe |
| 23:40.09 | jude- | ~shoot ibot |
| 23:40.29 | ibot | ACTION shoots ibot in the eye with a frozen turkey cannon! |
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| 23:40.56 | jude- | ~botabuse ibot |
| 23:42.05 | jude- | wakeup ibot |
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| 23:47.41 | jude- | I guess he's ignoring me |
| 23:48.15 | L4m3r | ibot lags sometimes |
| 23:48.29 | jude- | have fun at work, L4m3r |
| 23:48.55 | L4m3r | oh, I will. apparently there are only three people working the dish room tonight (me being one of them) |
| 23:49.31 | jude- | how many are there usually? |
| 23:49.34 | L4m3r | five |
| 23:49.40 | jude- | ouch |
| 23:50.03 | L4m3r | two people scrapping, one at each end of the conveyor-style dishwasher, and one doing silverware and running stuff out to the stations |
| 23:50.24 | L4m3r | it'll be fun. at least I'm fast. :D |
| 23:51.01 | jude- | there ya go :) |
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| 23:51.02 | L4m3r | plus, I've got some new in-the-ear isolating earbuds to try out, heh |
| 23:51.22 | jude- | lol |
| 23:51.22 | L4m3r | looks like tonight calls for fast music |
| 23:51.22 | jude- | indeed |
| 23:51.26 | L4m3r | be back in 5h or so :P |
| 23:51.39 | jude- | bye |
| 23:52.06 | Winny | bye |
| 23:54.38 | eTangenT | did someone say fast music? |
| 23:55.48 | Winny | no, no one did |
| 23:55.51 | Winny | wrong channel |
| 23:56.26 | jude- | yes, L4m3r said something about playing fast music tonight during his shift |
| 23:56.37 | Winny | oh |