| 00:00.48 | JeffM2501 | guess he has posted from huston road runner |
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| 00:01.28 | blast007 | JeffM2501: most of the connections to the channel from here were from houston.res.rr.com |
| 00:01.32 | brlcad | maybe parents'/friends'/jail house |
| 00:01.47 | JeffM2501 | yeah his noIP is from them too |
| 00:01.55 | Erroneous | heh, jail |
| 00:01.56 | JeffM2501 | I just never rmemeberd him saying he was in texas |
| 00:02.26 | JeffM2501 | I'm guessing budget constraints |
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| 00:02.51 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14187 10/trunk/bzflag/src/other/curl/ (Makefile.am configure.ac packages/ tests/): save some bandwidth, remove the two bigger pieces of gristle that we shouldn't need since we don't make curl dists or need to run their tests |
| 00:03.12 | JeffM2501 | wow if only loging got as much attention as the build system ;) |
| 00:03.30 | brlcad | Erroneous: there's vc build files in there |
| 00:03.34 | Erroneous | their default is really terrible |
| 00:03.40 | Erroneous | and won't build a dll that works with bzflag |
| 00:03.45 | blast007 | hmm |
| 00:03.46 | brlcad | ahh |
| 00:03.46 | Erroneous | uses the wrong runtimes |
| 00:03.49 | JeffM2501 | threadedness? |
| 00:03.52 | Erroneous | yup |
| 00:03.59 | Erroneous | and doesn't build ares |
| 00:04.09 | brlcad | there's threadedness options on the nix side, winders doesn't have that too? |
| 00:04.09 | JeffM2501 | so many nix primary projects don't realise how much that threadedness matters |
| 00:04.09 | Erroneous | and does a couple other things bogusly |
| 00:04.27 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, it does, but there project does the default ( single threaded ), bz does multi |
| 00:04.29 | brlcad | similar to ares, have to --enable-ares since its default off |
| 00:04.35 | JeffM2501 | so the runtime link is NFG |
| 00:05.01 | brlcad | i mean change/set the default if that's all it'd take |
| 00:05.01 | JeffM2501 | yeah, it's just a project mod |
| 00:05.12 | Erroneous | and iirc it doesn't have vc8 files either |
| 00:05.14 | JeffM2501 | we'll have to include it in the solution |
| 00:05.19 | JeffM2501 | it'll need those as well |
| 00:05.23 | brlcad | if that got it working over redoing a build layer (i.e. something we'd have to maintain) |
| 00:05.45 | JeffM2501 | it's part of the project, we'd have to maintain it anyway |
| 00:05.56 | JeffM2501 | since we'll be moding what is efectivly the "makefile" |
| 00:06.03 | JeffM2501 | it's no biggie tho |
| 00:06.16 | Erroneous | brlcad: it's a good change, right now we distribute an oldish one I built iirc |
| 00:06.17 | brlcad | as it is, we can update the entire dir as needed and it shouldn't take any mods (other than removing ares and pointing to ../ares in configure) |
| 00:06.35 | Erroneous | we can keep the project files in another directory |
| 00:06.49 | JeffM2501 | and they won't add/remove files often |
| 00:06.53 | JeffM2501 | so our projects should be fine |
| 00:06.54 | Erroneous | so as long as they don't change their own build structure, no mods on our side would be necessary |
| 00:07.28 | brlcad | they change about as often as ours do from recent history :) |
| 00:07.40 | brlcad | though we do get to update only as often as we care |
| 00:07.43 | JeffM2501 | so not bad at all |
| 00:08.01 | JeffM2501 | it's a rasonable compromise |
| 00:08.09 | JeffM2501 | reasonable even |
| 00:08.19 | JeffM2501 | raisnable |
| 00:08.22 | brlcad | i ain't complaining, i certainly ain't maintaining it ;) |
| 00:08.29 | JeffM2501 | surely |
| 00:08.47 | JeffM2501 | dtr and myself prety much know that it's mostly us for the prefered development platform :) |
| 00:09.00 | JeffM2501 | with the ocasional help from our non mac buddies :) |
| 00:09.18 | JeffM2501 | that Erroneous guy tho, he dosn't give a ratts buttox |
| 00:09.29 | Erroneous | durn tootin' |
| 00:10.33 | JeffM2501 | you dare doubt mr apathy cream?!?! |
| 00:11.04 | brlcad | mm.. haven't seen the mac daddy in months |
| 00:12.01 | brlcad | Erroneous, autogen.sh should be fixethed for your shell, lemme know if it misbehaves |
| 00:12.09 | Erroneous | cool |
| 00:12.25 | brlcad | no more in-memory bad ju ju |
| 00:12.56 | JeffM2501 | you do not have to see the daddy to belive in his divine power |
| 00:14.34 | brlcad | indeed |
| 00:19.22 | brlcad | tested the various configure options extensively here on my box, but probably could use some more testing on other nix platforms |
| 00:42.18 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14188 10/trunk/bzflag/ (configure.ac misc/Makefile.am misc/elapsed.sh): add support to track and report on just how long configure takes. utilize the elapsed.sh script I wrote several years ago, stashing it into misc/ as a utility script. |
| 00:49.27 | JeffM2501 | "Spock!!! it's sold beef BABY!" |
| 00:49.37 | Erroneous | heh |
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| 01:00.41 | GrandHustla | hmm , would someone be willing to run me though on how to put up a private server to test maps? |
| 01:01.00 | GrandHustla | looked on forums but were no help |
| 01:01.12 | a_meteorite | ~wiki |
| 01:01.26 | a_meteorite | GrandHustla: look at http://my.bzflag.org/w |
| 01:01.33 | a_meteorite | there is articles there to help you |
| 01:01.41 | GrandHustla | thanks a lot |
| 01:05.29 | Constitution | ~bzwiki |
| 01:05.30 | ibot | http://my.bzflag.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page |
| 01:07.43 | L4m3r | ah good, someone apparently got rid of the old bzwiki |
| 01:07.51 | L4m3r | ...which had become a pornado |
| 01:08.04 | Epyon | lol |
| 01:08.09 | Winny | hehe |
| 01:08.12 | a_meteorite | I spent an hour editing those page links out :P |
| 01:08.16 | a_meteorite | there was still more |
| 01:08.18 | Winny | delete the pornado? :p |
| 01:08.30 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 01:08.36 | Winny | as in, the whole wiki? |
| 01:08.47 | a_meteorite | no, as in deleting the links they stuck on the bottom of each page |
| 01:08.52 | Winny | bleh |
| 01:09.23 | Epyon | BZWiki should dissalow unregistered editing and require e-mail confirm... |
| 01:09.31 | Epyon | I guess the new one does that. |
| 01:10.27 | brlcad | actually it doesn't yet |
| 01:10.38 | brlcad | there are other spam preventions in place that are considerably better than before |
| 01:11.04 | brlcad | not impossible, but quite a bit harder |
| 01:12.04 | brlcad | if it gets to the point of a spam a day or something, we can easily turn it on if there are no other measure that can be put into effect |
| 01:12.29 | brlcad | donny_baker did a lot of good work to make it work anonymous though |
| 01:12.54 | Epyon | Since that was done a year ago, there wasn't a single spam attack. |
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| 01:14.52 | Epyon | brlcad, does jude- come here at all? |
| 01:14.54 | brlcad | well, part of that is undoubtedly wiki popularity/visibility -- I see tons more attacks on bz's sites than other wikis and bb's that are hosted on the same box (orders more, and more complex) |
| 01:16.11 | brlcad | but sure, lock it down and you can help limit abuse .. that's just totally not in the spirit of a wiki and rather undesirable to require if you don't really need to |
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| 01:16.28 | brlcad | wikimedia has a good write-up on various measure that can be taken |
| 01:16.36 | brlcad | jude- comes in usually pretty late |
| 01:16.43 | brlcad | ~seen jude- |
| 01:17.28 | ibot | jude- <n=jude@c-68-84-206-92.hsd1.ar.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1d 19h 54m 19s ago, saying: 'DTRemenak, gotcha'. |
| 01:17.28 | Epyon | If someone is not determined enough to register he won't do serious submissions anyway, IMHO |
| 01:17.28 | Epyon | And I HATE captchas. |
| 01:17.52 | Epyon | brlcad, I wanted to ask him on possibilities of interaction between our projects, but he's never here when I look for him :) |
| 01:18.02 | Epyon | ~seen Epyon |
| 01:18.21 | ibot | epyon is currently on #bzflag (2h 27m 32s). Has said a total of 9 messages. Is idling for 19s, last said: '~seen Epyon'. |
| 01:18.30 | Epyon | Duh, works. |
| 01:19.10 | brlcad | there are plenty of non-serious changes that are desireable, though I'd disagree that it's that black and white that there aren't serious ones either -- all a matter of how adament the person is against registration |
| 01:19.58 | brlcad | I *hate* being forced to register when it provides _me_ with no direct benefit that I value or will use .. but if I see a mistake on a wiki, I'm more than happy to fix it |
| 01:20.04 | Epyon | Although I always wanted a bridge between registering on my forums, and the wikis :/. |
| 01:20.26 | Epyon | But wiki soft is very unfriendly for that :( |
| 01:20.28 | brlcad | we should have that bridge soon enough with our site via ldap |
| 01:21.49 | brlcad | can't let the vast minority of bad apples put a burden on the vast majority when the maintenance burden is more than manageable (and something like bz's wiki with dozens of active editors is very easily managed at < 1/day if not more) |
| 01:22.14 | brlcad | at least until a better "single sign-on" system can be established |
| 01:22.26 | brlcad | since registration is required for some aspects like forums |
| 01:25.35 | brlcad | er, and windows has ldap too |
| 01:25.57 | brlcad | set up through active directory |
| 01:25.57 | Epyon | brlcad, I know, but an average windows user never heard of it :P |
| 01:26.34 | brlcad | "average windows user" does set up public websites with wikis and forums either (or run web servers on windows, for that matter) |
| 01:27.15 | Epyon | Hmm, I guess not :P |
| 01:27.35 | Epyon | Although I'd never run a web server on windows. I'm not the masochist type, y'know. |
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| 02:08.49 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14189 10/trunk/bzflag/ (Makefile.am configure.ac include/ include/Makefile.am): going with the same timing trend, add a report of how long compilation takes now too (using the elapsed.sh utility script). |
| 02:09.37 | brlcad | enough build system fun for one evening |
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| 02:19.16 | Rawk | Hi |
| 02:19.37 | Tannerld | hhi |
| 02:21.16 | Rawk | Hello Tannerld |
| 02:29.37 | DTRemenak | brlcad: the ares included with curl does not build standalone (did you test this stuff?) |
| 02:30.02 | DTRemenak | relies on ..\include and ..\lib, which in our build system are src\other\include and src\other\lib, neither of which exist |
| 02:30.32 | DTRemenak | ah, only in debug |
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| 02:35.04 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r14190 10/trunk/bzflag/src/other/ares/configure.ac: our ares is not in a libcurl build tree |
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| 03:01.13 | brlcad | DTRemenak: 20:19 <@brlcad> tested the various configure options extensively here on my box, but probably could use some more testing on other nix platforms |
| 03:01.49 | brlcad | ares built here, perhaps a system curl helped things along |
| 03:02.07 | DTRemenak | nope, ares alone would have failed with --enable-debug in any case that I can see |
| 03:02.26 | DTRemenak | unless you had parts of curl up a directory |
| 03:02.59 | brlcad | yeah, didn't try debug |
| 03:03.12 | brlcad | tried various combinations of components on/off |
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| 03:13.37 | Think_Differentl | :O |
| 03:14.02 | JeffM2501 | with? |
| 03:14.10 | Think_Differentl | I'm trying to build from source on Ubuntu_64 Feisty |
| 03:14.32 | Think_Differentl | At the end of the configure script, it reports that there will be no curses and no client binary |
| 03:14.33 | Think_Differentl | :/ |
| 03:14.58 | JeffM2501 | you have the dev libs and all the compilers installed? |
| 03:15.03 | Think_Differentl | Yep. |
| 03:15.28 | Think_Differentl | (At least as far as i know) |
| 03:16.19 | DTRemenak | including ncurses-dev and libgl-dev? |
| 03:16.37 | Think_Differentl | I've got ncurses and libgl-dev. |
| 03:16.46 | JeffM2501 | IIRC also on ubuntu you have to install g++ seperately from gcc |
| 03:16.48 | Think_Differentl | ahh |
| 03:16.54 | Think_Differentl | I just figured that out. |
| 03:17.04 | Think_Differentl | Just ran apt on g++ |
| 03:17.26 | JeffM2501 | yeah I had the same issue |
| 03:17.33 | JeffM2501 | the error is not the best |
| 03:17.43 | JeffM2501 | the config log will show that you don't have g++ |
| 03:19.09 | Think_Differentl | Mmhm...This is a nice box except ubuntu wont play nice with the nVidia drivers. |
| 03:19.15 | Think_Differentl | Forced to use vesa |
| 03:34.13 | KTL | the only small issue is to set the CC environment var to the correct value for it to compile the kernel module |
| 03:35.11 | JeffM2501 | yeah get kernel headers and just go |
| 03:35.57 | blast007 | Think_Differentl: maybe it was because you didn't have g++ installed? |
| 03:36.50 | Think_Differentl | maybe |
| 03:37.00 | Think_Differentl | i'll have to try when the real hard drive comes. |
| 03:38.21 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r14191 10/trunk/bzflag/configure.ac: |
| 03:38.21 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Check for AC_PROG_CXX *before* AC_PROG_CC. This means we'll fail outright if we |
| 03:38.21 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: have no C++ compiler, even if we do have a C compiler, rather than the other way |
| 03:38.21 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: around. It seems to be more common for people to be missing C++ and have C, |
| 03:38.22 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: than to be missing C and have C++. See also: |
| 03:38.22 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: http://osdir.com/ml/sysutils.autoconf.bugs/2002-04/msg00066.html |
| 03:40.05 | DTRemenak | if anyone knows of a good reason that should be the way it was, feel free to change it back |
| 03:44.46 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r14192 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/VC8/ares.vcproj: ares shiftiness |
| 03:47.05 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r14193 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/VC71/ares.vcproj: ares shiftiness |
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| 05:56.33 | jude- | hello all |
| 05:57.10 | DTRemenak | howdy jude- |
| 05:57.25 | jude- | hello DTRemenak |
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| 16:01.01 | Phantal | i'm looking for tim riker |
| 16:01.12 | Phantal | is he here under another name? |
| 16:01.30 | Winny | doubt it |
| 16:01.30 | Tannerld | not that I know of |
| 16:01.59 | Winny | Tannerld = Tim? never heard of this tanner before... |
| 16:02.07 | Winny | =] |
| 16:02.39 | Phantal | alright, thank you |
| 16:04.26 | Winny | I was kidding... :p |
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| 16:13.56 | Birdie | phantal: he doesnt come in that often? why do you need him? maybe other developers can help you |
| 16:17.34 | Think_Differentl | I have a problem with bzflag... |
| 16:17.40 | Winny | Don |
| 16:17.45 | Winny | 't we all |
| 16:17.46 | Winny | ;) |
| 16:17.55 | Think_Differentl | I'm running 2 8600GTS's in SLI, and the screen is all flickery |
| 16:17.59 | Think_Differentl | plus |
| 16:18.03 | Think_Differentl | I'm running beryl. |
| 16:18.11 | Winny | Double whammy :) |
| 16:18.16 | Think_Differentl | On ubuntu fiesty 64 |
| 16:19.24 | rob1n | ~seen TimRiker |
| 16:19.52 | ibot | timriker <n=timr@pdpc/supporter/bronze/TimRiker> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 3d 19h 32m 58s ago, saying: 'ouch. that's all I have is a WAP APN.'. |
| 16:19.52 | rob1n | Think_Differentl, why would you run two GTS' in SLI???? |
| 16:20.01 | rob1n | if you have enough money to buy two GTS', might as well buy a GTX |
| 16:20.05 | Think_Differentl | ... |
| 16:20.12 | Think_Differentl | I didnt want a GTX |
| 16:20.18 | Think_Differentl | Took up too much room. |
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| 17:15.19 | Tupone | hi [darek] |
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| 17:17.20 | [darek] | hi Tupone :) |
| 17:18.00 | patlkli | hmm |
| 17:18.07 | patlkli | hi all |
| 17:34.51 | biggeruniverse | what's up with ares? |
| 17:35.37 | biggeruniverse | there's a bunch of missing symbools when linking bzfs |
| 17:35.42 | biggeruniverse | *symbols |
| 17:36.04 | Tupone | what release are you talking about? |
| 17:37.19 | Tupone | 2.1 or 2.0 ? |
| 17:37.20 | JeffM2501 | brlcad redid the build system for curl and ares in head |
| 17:38.06 | biggeruniverse | I'm using heead |
| 17:38.08 | biggeruniverse | *head |
| 17:38.09 | biggeruniverse | gah |
| 17:38.31 | JeffM2501 | yeah brlcad is changing it |
| 17:38.37 | biggeruniverse | ok |
| 17:38.38 | JeffM2501 | get very latest if that dosnt' work let him know |
| 17:39.06 | biggeruniverse | I'll do a clean build before I say it's broken |
| 17:40.09 | JeffM2501 | I think we are just doing curl cus it needs to be built with ares |
| 17:40.13 | delusional | file complete 57.5MB 23:45 minutes |
| 17:40.15 | JeffM2501 | I'd agre with you on all the others |
| 17:40.28 | delusional | woop |
| 17:46.51 | biggeruniverse | nope, still not linking |
| 17:47.12 | JeffM2501 | let him know then |
| 17:48.00 | biggeruniverse | right |
| 17:48.07 | biggeruniverse | brlcad! stuff is broken! |
| 17:49.01 | JeffM2501 | best to send him botmail, or a PM, or an email with the logs of the exact error |
| 17:49.27 | biggeruniverse | bah |
| 17:49.37 | biggeruniverse | that's all time-consuming |
| 17:50.00 | biggeruniverse | it's the weekend- that's lazy time |
| 17:51.15 | JeffM2501 | whatever floats your boat, just don't complain when it's not magicaly fixed for you :) |
| 17:51.24 | biggeruniverse | it will be anyway |
| 17:51.28 | JeffM2501 | if I see him I'll try to remember to tell him you had some issues |
| 17:51.37 | biggeruniverse | I can wait and work on other things |
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| 17:56.22 | Tupone | biggeruniverse, maybe ther is a way (I hope brlcad did) to link an external curl/c-ares via configure. In that case, you can use that |
| 17:57.18 | biggeruniverse | hmm |
| 18:00.33 | delusional | looking at the commits email.... a ton of socket-connect work was done in ares/curl.... also some OSX portability checks.... i686 changes.... at least that's what catches my eye. |
| 18:00.40 | delusional | +Yang Tse (20 March 2007) |
| 18:00.40 | delusional | +- Fixed: When a signal was caught awaiting for an event using Curl_select() |
| 18:00.40 | delusional | + or Curl_poll() with a non-zero timeout both functions would restart the |
| 18:00.40 | delusional | + specified timeout. |
| 18:00.50 | ts | delusional: Don't do that |
| 18:00.58 | ts | Use pastebin |
| 18:01.11 | delusional | sounds like what jeff was complianing about last week.. but what do i know |
| 18:01.14 | delusional | sorry |
| 18:01.29 | JeffM2501 | I was what? |
| 18:02.07 | ts | biggeruniverse: For me it works, though I use to have all possible problems |
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| 18:04.36 | biggeruniverse | ok |
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| 18:31.12 | Winny | Hmm... Xchat crashes whenever I click on its icon in the taskbar :\ |
| 18:45.24 | L4m3r | um... use xchat aqua? does your mac work? :P |
| 18:45.57 | Flash | macs always work |
| 18:46.06 | Winny | no, I just can't click on the tray icon :\ |
| 18:46.43 | L4m3r | Flash: apparently you haven't heard of Winny's hardware woes with his macbook |
| 18:47.02 | Tannerld | :P |
| 18:47.05 | Flash | nope.... let me scroll back |
| 18:47.26 | L4m3r | he hasn't talked about it lately |
| 18:47.43 | Winny | in 5 times in 8 months, pretty much sums it up |
| 18:48.10 | blast007 | Winny: if it's any colsolation, my Mac works great |
| 18:48.11 | blast007 | ;) |
| 18:48.19 | Winny | *LOWBLOW* |
| 18:48.22 | Winny | :p |
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| 18:54.34 | Winny | I have incapacitated him! :o |
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| 19:16.59 | biggeruniverse | woot! procedural cities! |
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| 19:17.39 | biggeruniverse | Zzzz |
| 19:17.56 | Dessy | zzzZZZzzzZZZ |
| 19:20.17 | biggeruniverse | ah! A bee! |
| 19:29.10 | Winny | *zzzzzzap!* |
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| 20:02.45 | biggeruniverse | CBG! |
| 20:02.56 | Dessy | hi cbg! |
| 20:05.37 | CBG | hey |
| 20:09.33 | KTL | one day bryjen is very very dangerous and the other day i simply get him... the strength of a player is so variable |
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| 20:14.18 | TD-Linux | very true, sometimes I am on the bottom of the score list, sometimes I'm second to the bottom |
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| 20:22.42 | wanda | hi, i just tried to compile the latest svn trunk rev. - there is a problem with the bzrobots Makefile |
| 20:22.58 | wanda | can someone please fix this: http://pastebin.ca/472785 |
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| 20:47.46 | biggeruniverse | when someone gets back, we'lll tell him to fix it |
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| 23:19.08 | GrandHustla | does anyone know how to add configs to bzfs? |
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| 23:21.39 | Think_Differentl | how to add configs? |
| 23:21.47 | Think_Differentl | you mean to start a server with a config file? |
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| 23:24.46 | GrandHustla | no i wanted to know if you could add a config file to ms-dos |
| 23:24.56 | GrandHustla | sif thats what you meant |
| 23:25.37 | Think_Differentl | MSDOS? |
| 23:26.00 | GrandHustla | cmd... |
| 23:26.06 | GrandHustla | where you start bzfs |
| 23:26.38 | Think_Differentl | You want a batch file to start bzfs? |
| 23:26.44 | blast007 | GrandHustla: it's the same way you do it on linux |
| 23:26.48 | blast007 | bzfs -conf something.conf |
| 23:26.58 | GrandHustla | oh ok.. |
| 23:27.00 | blast007 | read the documentation for BZFS |
| 23:27.01 | GrandHustla | ill try that |
| 23:27.09 | GrandHustla | im reading wiki now. |
| 23:27.13 | blast007 | as well as read up on how to use the command prompt |
| 23:27.15 | Think_Differentl | Ohh.. |
| 23:27.18 | Think_Differentl | Thats what he wanted. |
| 23:27.25 | GrandHustla | hahaha..sorry |
| 23:27.38 | blast007 | there is also Man (manual) pages in the start menu for bzfs |
| 23:28.32 | Think_Differentl | I had some funky problems with bzflag client that turned out to be because of beryl :P |
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| 23:35.03 | Think_Differentl | KTL: What kind of graphics card do ye have? |
| 23:35.07 | KTL | nvidia |
| 23:35.32 | Think_Differentl | Model? |
| 23:35.37 | KTL | mmm i just crashed a part of my xserver ... the part responsible for the euhm xorg part of a window |
| 23:36.01 | KTL | nVidia Corporation GeForce 7900 GT (rev a1) |
| 23:36.08 | Think_Differentl | 2 or one? |
| 23:36.22 | KTL | 2 screens one card |
| 23:36.45 | Think_Differentl | hmm. |
| 23:36.45 | KTL | 2 monitors it is |
| 23:36.46 | Think_Differentl | Do you have the nVidia drivers? |
| 23:37.01 | KTL | yes, got them from the nvidia site |
| 23:37.09 | KTL | the debian packages did not work out for me |
| 23:37.27 | Think_Differentl | Yeah, they didnt work for me either. |
| 23:37.31 | Think_Differentl | wfb was busted. |
| 23:37.45 | KTL | but btw any idea what program i could try to restart to get the frames back ? i can not move or resize windows now :D |
| 23:37.58 | Think_Differentl | try starting a window manager |
| 23:38.09 | KTL | that is everything |
| 23:38.25 | KTL | i mean, is there a way without killing all my apps? |
| 23:38.29 | Think_Differentl | uhh |
| 23:38.32 | Think_Differentl | there should be |
| 23:39.00 | Think_Differentl | I managed to keep gnome alive while switching from beryl to compiz and back to metacity |
| 23:39.10 | KTL | OH MY GOD |
| 23:39.13 | KTL | BERYL WORKS |
| 23:39.19 | Think_Differentl | :) |
| 23:39.25 | KTL | only no frames |
| 23:39.32 | Think_Differentl | ... |
| 23:39.33 | KTL | my control tab did so strange :D |
| 23:39.37 | KTL | coooool |
| 23:39.43 | Think_Differentl | Are you running Gnome? |
| 23:39.47 | KTL | kde |
| 23:39.52 | Think_Differentl | Mmmhm. |
| 23:40.03 | Think_Differentl | Right click on the beryl diamond in the taskbar. |
| 23:40.17 | Think_Differentl | select beryl as your window manager. |
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| 23:40.34 | KTL | ah that is in the kdm inlog screen you mean? |
| 23:40.41 | Think_Differentl | dunno |
| 23:40.50 | Think_Differentl | its where the icons are next to the clock an all. |
| 23:41.02 | KTL | does not show anything new, it is not windows :D |
| 23:41.10 | Think_Differentl | :P |
| 23:41.22 | Think_Differentl | No beryl diamond anywhere on the screen? |
| 23:41.30 | KTL | aha got it |
| 23:41.33 | KTL | added the applet |
| 23:41.46 | Think_Differentl | Now...Select Window manger as beryl |
| 23:41.56 | KTL | wow my whole machine got fluffy :D |
| 23:42.10 | Think_Differentl | fluffy? |
| 23:42.11 | Think_Differentl | :O |
| 23:42.21 | KTL | the beryl effects :) :) :) |
| 23:42.32 | KTL | finally i see my graphics card doing something special :) |
| 23:42.34 | Think_Differentl | Did you get your windows back? and the borders? |
| 23:42.41 | KTL | yes :) |
| 23:42.58 | Think_Differentl | :) |
| 23:43.25 | KTL | euhm wasn't there some big cube effect too? |
| 23:43.32 | Think_Differentl | yep |
| 23:43.37 | Think_Differentl | press control+alt |
| 23:43.39 | Think_Differentl | move around |
| 23:44.05 | KTL | maybe i should configure a second desktop first |
| 23:44.26 | KTL | mmm ctrl alt does nothing |
| 23:45.52 | KTL | mmm could not start bzflag, no i did but it was behind my fullscreen konsole |
| 23:46.18 | Think_Differentl | did you press control-alt and click and drag the mouse? |
| 23:47.17 | Think_Differentl | Gotta go down for an x restart |
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| 23:49.08 | KTL | things crashed :) |
| 23:52.39 | KTL | and now the bzflag -window command ... |
| 23:53.20 | KTL | very slow |