| 00:07.34 | brlcad | not really a gimmick, but yes quite incomplete |
| 00:08.14 | Flash | there needs to be systemic discipline to _never_ use hard-coded strings |
| 00:09.54 | blast007 | hmm, would it be useful if the client reported it's locale setting to the server? |
| 00:10.35 | blast007 | server could have translated messages for stuff like lag warnings |
| 00:10.50 | JeffM2501 | or custom flag names :) |
| 00:10.55 | blast007 | :) |
| 00:10.59 | brlcad | there was a start to provide something more holistic with the Language and Internationalization class, but that was never finished |
| 00:11.29 | Flash | I'm not a huge Java fan, but Eclipse has excellent support to externalize strings |
| 00:11.36 | Flash | it will be a daunting task in C++ |
| 00:12.26 | brlcad | bz actually does far better than most, but it still could use a lot of work |
| 00:12.40 | brlcad | i mean, there is support in most of the places that it matters the most |
| 00:13.02 | Flash | sort of, but it's inconsistent (and it may be server vs client side) |
| 00:13.37 | brlcad | inconsistent in what way? |
| 00:14.31 | Flash | For example, if you pick up a flag, the name is international. but when shot by someone, the flag name they have isn't |
| 00:14.32 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 00:14.32 | Flash | I've been playing with Redneck locale for a while; the inconsistencies are really obvious if you use a non-standard locale |
| 00:14.33 | brlcad | that sort of thing is more oversight than anything, the code just changes and pieces aren't updated |
| 00:14.37 | Flash | BTW, kudos to whatever deviant created Redneck |
| 00:15.14 | a_meteorite | my i18n is messed up, only two languages neither of which is english... |
| 00:16.50 | a_meteorite | german me thinks.. |
| 00:17.08 | a_meteorite | it was english before I tried changing the language, now it won't go back to english >_< |
| 00:18.27 | KTL | manually edit the config file |
| 00:18.30 | KTL | delete some lines? |
| 00:18.33 | a_meteorite | what's the variable name? |
| 00:19.17 | a_meteorite | searching "lan" (for language) turns up nothing.. searching for "int" (for internationalization) turns up nothing.. |
| 00:20.19 | a_meteorite | ahh, found it. "locale" |
| 00:21.00 | KTL | it is not in my config |
| 00:21.09 | KTL | it is only generated the moment you enable it :) |
| 00:22.02 | a_meteorite | well, I guess i18n is borked in svn 2.0 |
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| 00:46.21 | Gniarf | I have a question about the stealth & cloak flags, and the notion of teams, is it normal to have the players in my own team affected by these flags from my point of view ? |
| 00:46.54 | blast007 | yes, those flags will affect the perception of all players |
| 00:47.00 | Gniarf | I mean, they disappear from the radar or main window, but they are on my team |
| 00:47.20 | Gniarf | so it just means more tk ? |
| 00:47.52 | blast007 | or it means they should communicate their location and be more careful themselves |
| 00:48.02 | Gniarf | errr |
| 00:48.22 | KTL | like "do not sw there !" "ok to fire laser, ground clear" |
| 00:48.34 | Gniarf | or I'll patch a server to prevent this !@#$ behaviour, at least to avoid most tk |
| 00:49.00 | a_meteorite | a server patch would not change that behaviour |
| 00:49.09 | JeffM2501 | it's the client that ides it |
| 00:49.10 | KTL | well with the new system it would |
| 00:49.18 | blast007 | KTL: nope |
| 00:49.18 | JeffM2501 | KTL, it will? |
| 00:49.18 | TD-Linux | no |
| 00:49.21 | JeffM2501 | AMAZING |
| 00:49.25 | TD-Linux | I was beaten :P |
| 00:49.26 | KTL | JeffM2501, you said to make it server side? |
| 00:49.30 | TD-Linux | not that |
| 00:49.35 | blast007 | shot type |
| 00:49.35 | JeffM2501 | make what "it"? |
| 00:49.37 | TD-Linux | you can't, the location gets sent to the client |
| 00:49.48 | KTL | euhm separate information for the radar and the visual |
| 00:49.48 | TD-Linux | so the client decides if to draw or not |
| 00:49.52 | JeffM2501 | ahh yes |
| 00:50.12 | JeffM2501 | that is not yet implemented yet |
| 00:50.12 | TD-Linux | but you could use one to calculate the other :P |
| 00:50.12 | KTL | ah |
| 00:50.12 | KTL | hackie hackie |
| 00:50.12 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, posibly |
| 00:50.12 | TD-Linux | but I guess that would help against CL cheats |
| 00:50.13 | JeffM2501 | tho it'd be harder |
| 00:50.15 | TD-Linux | but not ST |
| 00:50.20 | blast007 | TD-Linux: but it's not a one line change like most of them ;) |
| 00:50.30 | Gniarf | (thanks) yeah, I understand the need to watch out for (visible) friends if you sw, but you should be able to see all your friends in your team on all time on radar & main window |
| 00:50.39 | TD-Linux | oh wait, the radar has height information too :/ |
| 00:50.43 | JeffM2501 | unless we also don't send you updates if they are behind you and ST :) |
| 00:50.57 | JeffM2501 | Gniarf, you can turn off TKs in 2.1 |
| 00:51.07 | TD-Linux | Gniarf: but that's my favorite part of ST! :) |
| 00:51.30 | TD-Linux | though it hurts my team, it's especially fun when other teams do it :_ |
| 00:51.58 | Gniarf | (another day I'll rant about lasers & infinite reflection on some maps) |
| 00:52.06 | Gniarf | ok, well thanks |
| 00:52.19 | a_meteorite | you can lower _laserAdVel |
| 00:52.24 | TD-Linux | it's not _infinite_ :) |
| 00:52.34 | a_meteorite | I think that's the var anyways.. |
| 00:52.40 | TD-Linux | otherwise that would be very bad for CPU usage on maps without slopes :) |
| 00:52.58 | blast007 | like Metropolis |
| 00:53.00 | blast007 | ;) |
| 00:53.07 | blast007 | laser is still rather suicidal there though |
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| 01:51.35 | a_meteorite | voodoo ;) |
| 01:52.15 | KTL | i also get a perfect rendering of the stanford dragon, made in an instant using real light |
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| 03:52.52 | SportChick | brlcad: you around? |
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| 04:16.26 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14179 10/trunk/bzflag/autogen.sh: |
| 04:16.27 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: revert the stashing of COPYING and INSTALL into memory due to issues with a |
| 04:16.27 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: handful of shells/environments where it would cause unpredictable shell |
| 04:16.27 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: behavior. instead, save backup files as needed (recursively). additional |
| 04:16.27 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: awesomeness, set up trap signal handlers to clean up regardless of how/when |
| 04:16.29 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: autogen.sh terminates or is otherwise aborted. |
| 04:17.25 | brlcad | hello |
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| 05:14.31 | menotume | hello |
| 05:14.48 | TheRedBaron | go back to bed menotume |
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| 05:15.14 | biggeruniverse | tada! |
| 05:15.21 | menotume | yay! |
| 05:15.31 | TheRedBaron | its too late for youto be working your mischief :) |
| 05:15.43 | biggeruniverse | not in Australia! |
| 05:15.46 | menotume | i'm just getting started |
| 05:15.57 | TheRedBaron | oh lordy, I better get to bed then |
| 05:16.05 | biggeruniverse | ThreadBarren |
| 05:16.07 | biggeruniverse | hehe |
| 05:17.01 | menotume | * brlcad wakes SportChick |
| 05:17.31 | menotume | me ? |
| 05:17.43 | SportChick | yup |
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| 06:34.32 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14180 10/trunk/bzflag/ (configure.ac m4/Makefile.am m4/cache.m4): import a BZ_CONFIG_CACHE macro from brl-cad that automatically enables a configure cache, which in turn speeds up the configure phase (particularly for subconfigures) and repeat configures. |
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| 07:46.09 | strayer | hiho everybuddy :) |
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| 11:05.03 | zee884 | HEY manu |
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| 11:06.53 | mannnn | manu ayı |
| 11:07.04 | mannnn | MANU |
| 11:11.57 | Manu | hi mannnn |
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| 13:38.48 | dumnut | hi |
| 13:46.14 | TheRedBaron | morning |
| 13:52.56 | Winny | mornin |
| 13:56.58 | RatOmeter | mourning |
| 13:58.40 | dumnut | wow, you guys have a cool skill able to control games like this. |
| 14:00.50 | TheRedBaron | lol |
| 14:05.04 | dumnut | i just play pong and pac-man, me old guy. |
| 14:05.26 | biggeruniverse | heh |
| 14:09.22 | Chestal | pacman was always too difficult for me |
| 14:09.49 | dumnut | i'm not good at that, i always get swallowed up early. |
| 14:10.05 | dumnut | i'l very uncoordinated. |
| 14:11.50 | Chestal | I once played pong with a light-dependent resistor, was a little unprecise, though |
| 14:13.04 | dumnut | "light-ependent resistor" sounds high-tech to me, cool for you. |
| 14:14.36 | Chestal | as a replacement for the paddles |
| 14:17.06 | dumnut | so you wrote a program to display a bar that when light of ball goes near it it repels? |
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| 14:19.53 | Chestal | no, I played a regular pong (on some microcomputer, don't remmeber, maybe C64). And for lack of paddle input device I just attached the resistor, so the brightness the resistor sees = position of bar |
| 14:20.57 | dumnut | sounds ingenious. |
| 14:21.07 | Chestal | so by positioning your hand over the resistor you could steer the game. |
| 14:21.34 | Chestal | well, not really, just came to my mind when you were talking of games that are even older than bzflag |
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| 14:22.21 | dumnut | i admire you guys for your techology usage skills |
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| 16:47.08 | Erroneous | nope |
| 16:47.12 | JeffM2501 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVov6NJU2tk |
| 16:47.37 | JeffM2501 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-N6Cwhoh_s |
| 16:47.49 | JeffM2501 | and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBXal1GAA4A |
| 16:48.23 | strayer | lol...nice work, but must be very time consuming |
| 16:50.40 | JeffM2501 | I'm not entirely sure why spok works as a black man, but he does. famously :) |
| 16:51.03 | Erroneous | heh |
| 16:52.08 | strayer | hm...they must have merged the old series with Voyager or so...to catch some more attention ;) |
| 16:56.30 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 16:56.44 | JeffM2501 | I think they just found it funny :) |
| 16:58.07 | ts | ~status |
| 16:58.08 | ibot | Since Sat Apr 28 23:50:33 2007, there have been 46 modifications, 576 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 449 commands. I have been awake for 5d 17h 7m 34s this session, and currently reference 112930 factoids. I'm using about 18908 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 20403.37/1363.64 child 0.02/0.04 |
| 17:04.12 | JeffM2501 | ibot, blast007++ |
| 17:05.00 | ToughShooter | ~ts++ |
| 17:05.09 | ts | ~ToughShooter-- |
| 17:06.01 | JeffM2501 | blast wrote a cool script to be able to add my CIA commits to my blot :) |
| 17:06.04 | JeffM2501 | blog :) |
| 17:06.50 | donny_baker | quite prolific yesterday JeffM2501 |
| 17:06.54 | donny_baker | very good ideas |
| 17:07.05 | JeffM2501 | I have some more I have to write, but thanks |
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| 17:15.05 | JeffM2501 | the bzflag.org mainpage should list the last 10 commits :) |
| 17:24.40 | Erroneous | sounds good to me |
| 17:28.12 | JeffM2501 | wen't some people working on new site designs? |
| 17:29.02 | donny_baker | i saw some possible prototypes at one time, but didn't think anything official was happening |
| 17:33.11 | strayer | the question is...is it planned to redesign the site or is it just about the optical stuff? |
| 17:33.26 | blast007 | JeffM2501: what kind of design was being looked for? |
| 17:33.37 | JeffM2501 | I duddon |
| 17:33.40 | blast007 | I know Tim liked one that would adjust to larger screens |
| 17:33.50 | JeffM2501 | yeah that would be nice |
| 17:33.51 | blast007 | s/liked/would like/ |
| 17:33.56 | JeffM2501 | I think it was just being done to be new |
| 17:34.01 | blast007 | which I might have |
| 17:34.08 | blast007 | I just don't have a larger screen to test on ;) |
| 17:34.20 | blast007 | support 1600x1200 might be enough to test on though |
| 17:34.24 | blast007 | suppose* |
| 17:34.25 | strayer | hehe...do you have it online? |
| 17:34.28 | JeffM2501 | why so small? |
| 17:35.52 | blast007 | http://bz.sh.nu:82/bzflag.org/ |
| 17:35.53 | strayer | JeffM2501, keep in mind that some site width doesn't make sense...when you have a whole paragraph on a line it is much more difficult to read than a site with defined max-width |
| 17:36.14 | JeffM2501 | then peopel whould write more :) |
| 17:36.34 | strayer | ...and I'm not a friend of these ugly small-width pages...but too much is: well... ;) |
| 17:36.35 | blast007 | strayer: the URL I posted uses em for all the sizes, so people can just bump up the font size |
| 17:36.52 | strayer | that's good |
| 17:37.13 | JeffM2501 | I'm "Meh" on the current layout and colors |
| 17:37.51 | blast007 | I could always do something different ;) |
| 17:37.57 | strayer | ok, the design is very close to the current one, but looks better |
| 17:38.02 | blast007 | we'd just need to discuss what was needed/wanted |
| 17:38.19 | blast007 | strayer: yeah, that was the main goal of that one |
| 17:38.23 | strayer | some design that uses style elemnts out of the game? |
| 17:38.40 | Erroneous | the game has style elements? :) |
| 17:38.40 | JeffM2501 | god no |
| 17:38.46 | JeffM2501 | and if it does, they are horible |
| 17:38.49 | strayer | brlcad, ok, didn't know...I don't like the current one...I prefered the one before ..lalala :) |
| 17:38.52 | JeffM2501 | I'd like a site that looks GOOD |
| 17:39.27 | Erroneous | there's no consistent design ingame (though mayhap there should be) |
| 17:39.34 | strayer | that's a good argument |
| 17:40.17 | JeffM2501 | make the website be an example to the game :) |
| 17:40.29 | strayer | with "style of the game" I meant to reuse some pics...not that the site has to look as a screenshot out of the game :D |
| 17:41.12 | JeffM2501 | strayer, the picks and art in the game are rather sad looking other then our logo |
| 17:41.34 | Erroneous | and the nifty tank icons |
| 17:41.39 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 17:41.53 | JeffM2501 | basicly all the stuff that saturos did is good :) |
| 17:42.02 | Erroneous | ~saturos++ |
| 17:42.18 | strayer | so we could use some of his work :) |
| 17:42.26 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 17:42.40 | JeffM2501 | but first I'd define what we want on the main page |
| 17:43.20 | Winny | I made this ages ago, never really finished... just a baisc header / body |
| 17:43.22 | Winny | http://bzfusion.net/bzflag.org/imagetest1.jpg |
| 17:43.24 | strayer | what do you understand under "main page"?...just the entry site? |
| 17:43.49 | JeffM2501 | that's a nice start Winny |
| 17:44.06 | JeffM2501 | strayer, like last commits, recent froum posts, a link to global login, etc.. |
| 17:44.23 | JeffM2501 | fast links to more of the stuff that is on the my.bzflag.org site |
| 17:44.27 | JeffM2501 | mayb with a quic summary |
| 17:44.33 | strayer | rounded edges are normally a little tricky if you don't do it with CSS (which isn't really soppurted right now) |
| 17:44.35 | JeffM2501 | like the main page showing how many servers, and players, etc.. |
| 17:44.55 | Winny | IMHO, you shouldn't have to scroll up or down on the main page |
| 17:44.55 | JeffM2501 | a "friends searcH" that takes you to my.b.o |
| 17:44.58 | JeffM2501 | that kinda stuff |
| 17:45.16 | JeffM2501 | we dont' realy use the main page for that much "news" cus we don't have that much news |
| 17:45.17 | Winny | (if you have a reasonable screen rez [1680x1050...etc]) |
| 17:46.08 | strayer | JeffM2501: so it'll be only a entry/overview site for my.bzflag.org? |
| 17:46.38 | JeffM2501 | and the little news that we have |
| 17:46.43 | JeffM2501 | but yes |
| 17:46.52 | JeffM2501 | the main page is of little use to players now |
| 17:47.00 | JeffM2501 | and dosn't do much to promote the game |
| 17:47.07 | JeffM2501 | it should do more to show the "live" nature of the game |
| 17:47.40 | Winny | Jeffm2501: if the site is redone, there shoulid be more of a empahsis on screenshots / ingame video on the main page |
| 17:47.44 | strayer | ok, then I'ld suggest putting these things into blocks to allow the use of (very) wide screens |
| 17:47.47 | JeffM2501 | even tho it's a crap grame |
| 17:48.01 | JeffM2501 | http://www.runescape.com/ shows a lot of good info for existing players |
| 17:48.01 | Winny | Ive seen quite a few people go "ew" and close the windows as soon as they see the page |
| 17:48.33 | JeffM2501 | I'm not saying we go with that layout or that exact stuff ( cus it's a crap layout, to go with the crap game ) but they have the right ideas |
| 17:50.12 | strayer | hm..http://www.runescape.com/ is little different to bzflag.org, because what you want is a short summary of different parts (separate sites)...BZBB, stats, wiki |
| 17:50.25 | strayer | ..and some news |
| 17:50.58 | menotume | DTRemenak: clickity-clack clickity-clack |
| 17:51.03 | menotume | :) |
| 17:51.19 | Erroneous | menotume: huh? |
| 17:51.22 | strayer | hey meno...did you read the BZBB pm I sent you? |
| 17:51.32 | menotume | i filed it |
| 17:51.35 | menotume | :) |
| 17:51.45 | menotume | yes, from a couple of weeks ago |
| 17:51.48 | Winny | What if the site is something like this, almost a "directory" site, to get to where you want to go |
| 17:51.52 | strayer | hmmmm... |
| 17:51.56 | Winny | www.panic.com (example) |
| 17:52.37 | menotume | Now is the time for alll good men to come to the aid of their country. |
| 17:52.42 | menotume | it works :P |
| 17:52.46 | strayer | menotume: I need to login during this weekend...is that possible? |
| 17:52.57 | menotume | login? |
| 17:53.03 | menotume | oh, i better check that pm |
| 17:53.05 | JeffM2501 | strayer, we could be considered a subset of them |
| 17:53.06 | strayer | Winny: seems it would become something |
| 17:53.15 | JeffM2501 | like we sould use a link to a direct page to sign up for global |
| 17:53.21 | Winny | strayer: huh? |
| 17:53.22 | JeffM2501 | and a link to the rules and downloads, etc.. |
| 17:53.23 | strayer | yes, meno...would be better :D |
| 17:53.34 | menotume | ah, i didn't see that one |
| 17:53.35 | menotume | hmm |
| 17:53.38 | menotume | lemme check |
| 17:53.56 | strayer | Winny: n/m..my try to say: yes :) |
| 17:54.11 | Erroneous | menotume: am I supposed to actually understand anything you said in the last 10 minutes or so, or is it safe to ignore? :) |
| 17:54.11 | Winny | ah :p |
| 17:55.31 | Erroneous | ah, you must have gotten your keyboard |
| 17:56.00 | strayer | JeffM2501: it's really tricky, because people come to bzflag.org, klick somewhere and end on another server with a website with another design...I doN't really like the idea |
| 17:56.14 | JeffM2501 | well then we should make all the designs match :) |
| 17:56.28 | JeffM2501 | that's easy to fix |
| 17:56.39 | blast007 | not as easy as one might think ;) |
| 17:56.41 | Winny | I think we need to go semi shiny :p |
| 17:56.44 | strayer | yepp |
| 17:56.57 | menotume | Erroneous: safe to ignore, is for DTR |
| 17:57.02 | menotume | regarding keyboards :) |
| 17:58.47 | Winny | Erroneous, why use two different names? |
| 18:00.06 | Erroneous | Winny: two different places |
| 18:00.14 | Winny | ah |
| 18:01.15 | Erroneous | though DTRemenak_Srv is an ssh+irssi connection when he's on |
| 18:01.43 | blast007 | plus access to my huge log files |
| 18:02.02 | Erroneous | if I need it for some reason, I can RDP back |
| 18:02.10 | blast007 | :) |
| 18:02.38 | blast007 | hmm, 137MB of IRC logs |
| 18:04.02 | Winny | rofl |
| 18:04.04 | Erroneous | and nicks are cheap, I have a bunch |
| 18:04.11 | brlcad | strayer: huh? |
| 18:04.25 | strayer | pardon? |
| 18:05.06 | strayer | brlcad ? |
| 18:05.07 | brlcad | oh, I think you meant blast007 |
| 18:05.20 | brlcad | 13:38 < strayer> brlcad, ok, didn't know...I don't like the current one...I prefered the one before ..lalala :) |
| 18:06.06 | strayer | oh, I can't remember the one who should read it, but it wasn't you...sorry |
| 18:07.37 | strayer | if it was long long ago, I saw them and liked two of them...but I'm not the one who has to decide ^^ |
| 18:07.53 | brlcad | it used bz textures for the basic design |
| 18:08.27 | strayer | correct...and one of the 2 I liked was with a teleoprter or so |
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| 18:09.30 | menotume | Pimpi_: piiiiiiiiiiiiiing :) |
| 18:14.27 | Winny | hmm |
| 18:14.43 | Winny | what kind of logo is "forumish", as in, reminds someone of a forum |
| 18:15.12 | JeffM2501 | a box full of idiots :) |
| 18:15.49 | Winny | k |
| 18:15.57 | brlcad | there it is |
| 18:16.07 | brlcad | http://bzflag.bz/~sean/prototypemulti.jpg |
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| 18:16.34 | JeffM2501 | don't like the header |
| 18:16.42 | brlcad | each tab/section would have a differentiating texture |
| 18:16.57 | JeffM2501 | the stuff in the TP is intersting |
| 18:17.00 | JeffM2501 | it's a bit busy |
| 18:17.05 | JeffM2501 | but it's not horible |
| 18:17.13 | strayer | hehe |
| 18:17.30 | brlcad | it's just meant to give the idea, they could be image-based and slanted or something |
| 18:17.31 | JeffM2501 | I'd move the tank up and just make it an overlay |
| 18:17.36 | JeffM2501 | not make it look perched on the TP |
| 18:17.37 | strayer | but this is what I meant...with one or two very little changes |
| 18:17.56 | JeffM2501 | I think thre are beter designs out there |
| 18:18.26 | brlcad | hm, what didn't you like about the header? |
| 18:18.31 | strayer | well...you didn't like the best one (in my eyes)...the design used before |
| 18:18.35 | brlcad | that's actually my favorite part |
| 18:18.35 | JeffM2501 | it's ugly |
| 18:18.46 | JeffM2501 | the artwork is low res and blurry/bland |
| 18:18.56 | brlcad | it's what's in the game |
| 18:19.08 | JeffM2501 | dos't mean I like what's in game :) |
| 18:19.14 | brlcad | and at that resolution, it's actually not that bad |
| 18:19.35 | JeffM2501 | just throwin out my opinion |
| 18:20.18 | strayer | the background in the header isn't the best but this image isn't really relevant I think |
| 18:20.34 | JeffM2501 | thats why say the overall layout isn't bad |
| 18:20.40 | JeffM2501 | its interesteing in a number of ways |
| 18:20.50 | strayer | ah, ok |
| 18:20.52 | brlcad | i think it's important that the site reflect what's actually in the game, matching overall feel of the game (whatever that means) |
| 18:21.01 | JeffM2501 | I don't think it's the end all be all of layouts |
| 18:21.04 | JeffM2501 | but it's better then what we got |
| 18:21.08 | brlcad | whether one likes what's in the game or not :) |
| 18:21.19 | JeffM2501 | or we fix the game too |
| 18:21.49 | brlcad | that's easier said than done -- whether it needs "fixing" comes down to personal taste |
| 18:21.53 | brlcad | many people love it like it is |
| 18:22.13 | strayer | the only problems in realizing such a design are: the teleporter (widht isn't resizeable if the text content is getting longer for some reason) and the menu (shadows are not that easy) |
| 18:22.16 | JeffM2501 | I'd not say they "love" it but they know that's what it has been for ages |
| 18:22.20 | JeffM2501 | and haven't seen better :) |
| 18:22.21 | Winny | http://bzfusion.net/bzflag.org/test2.jpg <-- my idiot proff design :p |
| 18:22.26 | brlcad | that's why I'd think the site should match the game, and then evolve as the game evolves (not the other way around) |
| 18:22.46 | JeffM2501 | I like that mountan/grass look better |
| 18:22.53 | JeffM2501 | the big icons are stupid |
| 18:23.03 | JeffM2501 | that's not a webstite, that's a shortcut bar |
| 18:23.08 | brlcad | certainly different/memorable |
| 18:23.20 | Winny | bzflag.org seems to be a big shortcut... |
| 18:23.21 | tupone | hi brlcad |
| 18:23.27 | brlcad | ciao tupone |
| 18:23.31 | JeffM2501 | well we have few that seem to work on the game, so I guess our site will lag too |
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| 18:23.41 | JeffM2501 | Winny, it has some shortcuts, but at least some info |
| 18:23.53 | JeffM2501 | that's a lot of wasted space just sayin "LOOK I CAN MAKE ICONS" |
| 18:23.57 | strayer | Winny: lol...the img for "register" is cool...like BZFlag would be 3/5-olympic |
| 18:24.17 | Winny | JeffM2501: the pages direct to other things... |
| 18:24.22 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 18:24.25 | JeffM2501 | why not have it there |
| 18:24.30 | JeffM2501 | I like mainpages that have info |
| 18:24.34 | JeffM2501 | summaries of what is there |
| 18:24.35 | Winny | because big icons are in :p |
| 18:24.42 | JeffM2501 | then links to further deeper info |
| 18:24.50 | JeffM2501 | who cares what's 'in" |
| 18:24.55 | JeffM2501 | it shoudl be functional |
| 18:25.16 | Winny | it is basically like this: www.panic.com , thats funtional |
| 18:25.35 | JeffM2501 | only because that site is about fluff |
| 18:25.42 | blast007 | the problem with using an overly large amount of images would be making it scale nice to larger screens ;) |
| 18:25.56 | strayer | nah...I see it like Jeff, that some information have to be shown .. not only icons |
| 18:25.56 | JeffM2501 | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/index.xml |
| 18:25.58 | blast007 | then again, most of my designs don't scale either |
| 18:26.04 | JeffM2501 | that's a well designed site about a game |
| 18:26.15 | JeffM2501 | little too much animation for my taste |
| 18:26.19 | JeffM2501 | but fits the style of the game |
| 18:26.21 | JeffM2501 | has info |
| 18:26.25 | JeffM2501 | and links to deeper stuff |
| 18:27.02 | strayer | I dunno the game's style, but if you say so... |
| 18:27.02 | Winny | too busy, IMHO |
| 18:27.10 | JeffM2501 | they have a lot more info |
| 18:27.13 | JeffM2501 | I mean in general |
| 18:27.25 | JeffM2501 | we'd have less stuff on the sidebars of course |
| 18:27.38 | JeffM2501 | they have 9 million players, they have a lot to show ;) |
| 18:28.17 | strayer | ..like advertising ;) |
| 18:28.34 | JeffM2501 | they only advertise tehre game |
| 18:28.37 | JeffM2501 | and game related things |
| 18:28.41 | JeffM2501 | Just like we do |
| 18:28.48 | JeffM2501 | we just offer our game for free |
| 18:28.53 | JeffM2501 | but we still want more people to play it |
| 18:29.33 | Winny | what if we imbed the forum and wiki inside a joomla install, it looks nice |
| 18:29.42 | Winny | unified theme that way |
| 18:29.44 | JeffM2501 | a possibility |
| 18:30.53 | strayer | really?...I heared that joomla! sucks when you have very much traffic/user hits |
| 18:31.40 | JeffM2501 | the techincal backend dosn't mater as much as the concept of merging them. the system used is just an implemenation choice |
| 18:32.40 | Winny | I like what they did at www.indigorenderer.com |
| 18:32.46 | Winny | everything very accessable |
| 18:33.47 | brlcad | ah, here's the actual-rez version of the prototype: http://bzflag.bz/~sean/prototype.png |
| 18:34.11 | brlcad | expandable to window size, images is of course fixed |
| 18:34.18 | Constitution | nice |
| 18:34.30 | Winny | brlcad: I find it too busy |
| 18:34.32 | blast007 | hmm, navigation would be an imagemap? |
| 18:34.43 | Winny | too uhh "90's" |
| 18:35.02 | brlcad | busy? five sections and a menu is busy? |
| 18:35.29 | Winny | don't like the fake 3d stuff. |
| 18:35.33 | strayer | JeffM2501: is it possible to merge everything together a little? > wiki, m.b.o, forums |
| 18:36.17 | brlcad | busy would be something like http://planetquake.gamespy.com/ |
| 18:36.56 | Winny | busy as well |
| 18:36.58 | brlcad | strayer: it's entirely possible, just not "trivial" |
| 18:37.18 | brlcad | Winny: well, put it this way -- is it worse than the existing? |
| 18:38.00 | brlcad | i don't think it's great myself, but i do think it's quite better than the existing for various reasons |
| 18:38.09 | Winny | brlcad: from my perspective; yes. I don't like 3d layouts |
| 18:38.26 | Winny | it always ends up looking slightly off, dunno why |
| 18:38.37 | strayer | hm..ok..but the current split is awful: different domains, designs and not a common menu |
| 18:39.06 | brlcad | eh, your test2 has the same "fake 3d" aspects |
| 18:39.21 | Winny | because they're icons |
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| 18:39.46 | brlcad | that's a pretty weak reasoning |
| 18:39.55 | Winny | not realy. |
| 18:40.30 | Winny | If its over 300px in any direction, my rule is render it in a 3d renderer, so the perspective is more correct |
| 18:40.53 | Tannerld | Winny, hiya |
| 18:43.00 | JeffM2501 | strayer, anything is ppssible |
| 18:44.01 | JeffM2501 | I like this layout for a project |
| 18:44.02 | JeffM2501 | http://lf.mmdevel.de/news.php |
| 18:44.06 | JeffM2501 | less busy |
| 18:44.12 | strayer | you sound like my boss before he is writing the cost accounting |
| 18:44.14 | JeffM2501 | but quick links to all the basic info |
| 18:44.35 | JeffM2501 | I think that's using a nuke or something |
| 18:45.25 | brlcad | hm, for a game site, that's incredibly "default-cms" look/feel |
| 18:45.36 | JeffM2501 | I just mean the info presented |
| 18:45.41 | JeffM2501 | not the artwork |
| 18:45.50 | strayer | we don't have so many different info |
| 18:45.51 | JeffM2501 | yes that is a default CMS, cus that works for them |
| 18:45.59 | JeffM2501 | exactly |
| 18:46.11 | JeffM2501 | that's what it's a good example of the info we should have, they are somewhat similar to us :) |
| 18:46.37 | JeffM2501 | yes, having a more artistic look, would be good |
| 18:46.38 | strayer | true |
| 18:46.49 | JeffM2501 | but I think we need info like that on our main page |
| 18:46.55 | brlcad | hm, i didn't see the info as being questionable -- that's pretty much what we have even |
| 18:46.56 | JeffM2501 | not 5 big icons |
| 18:47.15 | JeffM2501 | mostly we should have live stats |
| 18:47.22 | JeffM2501 | to show that it's an active game |
| 18:47.27 | Winny | Jeff: reworking that a bit |
| 18:47.28 | brlcad | we do |
| 18:47.31 | JeffM2501 | inviting people to "hop right in" |
| 18:47.36 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, not on our mainpage |
| 18:47.37 | Winny | icons now are about 1/8 that size :p |
| 18:48.15 | brlcad | true |
| 18:48.31 | strayer | hmmm...I'll think about it this night when I take my shower..hope to present you an image of what I'ld suggest....I hope you don't have too many ideas now ^^ |
| 18:48.40 | JeffM2501 | I'd like to see the "Geting started" be changed to "join us" and have more of a walkthru "step 1) register, step 2) get the game, step 3) here's how to basicly play" |
| 18:48.45 | brlcad | but again, that's more a matter of presentation and layout, not info/content imho |
| 18:48.45 | strayer | bye guys (no gals seen chatting) |
| 18:48.54 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, yes |
| 18:49.00 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure there are art people out there |
| 18:49.00 | brlcad | just like how there "should" just be one login, it's just a matter of integration |
| 18:49.16 | JeffM2501 | I just want the art people to make sure they know what info we'd like, not base it off what info we have now :) |
| 18:49.26 | Winny | oh god, diing is sending me more PMs |
| 18:49.36 | Winny | "i fel bad 4 u cuz of de hacker pplz" |
| 18:50.01 | JeffM2501 | he's near to loosing his ability to post |
| 18:50.13 | brlcad | JeffM2501: even if someone just wrapped up the data we have in a clean design with a nice style, it would be considerably better |
| 18:50.33 | brlcad | the trouble is going to be agreeing on any design in the first place |
| 18:50.36 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, yes, but hey why not shoot for the moon :) |
| 18:50.51 | brlcad | because we don't even have a bicycle |
| 18:50.56 | brlcad | to be thinking about rocketry |
| 18:51.28 | Chestal | hmm, would be nice to have small movies showing the action, more illustrative than screenshots |
| 18:51.48 | Chestal | all in HDTV of course ;-) |
| 18:51.56 | brlcad | getting drupal set up would do wonders for moving towards integration -- with someone working in parallel on similar prototype design(s) |
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| 18:52.45 | brlcad | maybe a wiki page with a prototype site map would help for content organization |
| 18:53.44 | brlcad | course it really would be moot if there was a stylistic design / approach to start with that we could agree to |
| 18:54.51 | Winny | im wokring on something more text based... hopefully you'll like it :) |
| 18:56.04 | brlcad | e.g. what the prototype that I came up with was "supposed" to convey was a header, tabbed sections with textures per-section, full-screen expansion, some sort of a main menu, modularized sections in the content area, and a basic footer .. graphics and actual sections and menu items were intentionally configurable so that it could adjust to different types of content, different sections, etc |
| 18:57.06 | brlcad | any cms will give us sections and types of content, it's the layout approach that really needs to be agreed upon (whatever that may be) followed by a graphics design/style |
| 18:59.32 | Constitution | what does the "on watch" status/avatar on the BB mean? |
| 19:01.28 | Winny | your being watched? |
| 19:01.50 | Winny | your watchful (can't think of the real word right now) |
| 19:02.18 | Constitution | no not me, lol |
| 19:02.22 | brlcad | JeffM2501: that is a ton of writing on mmo's :) |
| 19:17.44 | Winny | @Web site people: http://bzfusion.net/bzflag.org/test3.jpg |
| 19:20.04 | Winny | that would be centered, btw... |
| 19:20.33 | Constitution | looks vista-ish |
| 19:20.50 | Winny | bleh |
| 19:20.55 | Winny | the top bar, right? |
| 19:21.06 | Tannerld | icons |
| 19:21.08 | Tannerld | ? |
| 19:22.02 | Constitution | right |
| 19:22.44 | Winny | vista isn't the only thing with shiny icons :) |
| 19:23.44 | Constitution | true, but with the shading and reflection it looks very much like vista |
| 19:23.53 | Constitution | not that that's a bad thing :-) |
| 19:24.11 | Winny | 8) |
| 19:25.31 | Winny | oh wow, it does look like vista |
| 19:25.31 | Winny | :\ |
| 19:25.46 | Tannerld | LOL |
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| 19:32.55 | Pimpi_ | menotume: boooooooooooooom |
| 19:36.23 | menotume | Pimpi_: nvm, resolved |
| 19:36.48 | Pimpi_ | nice to find you?re still alive btw ;) |
| 19:36.57 | menotume | and you ! |
| 19:37.05 | Pimpi_ | hehe |
| 19:37.31 | Pimpi_ | k, bbl |
| 19:37.56 | blast007 | brlcad: any word from the one who was playing with LDAP for phpBB/MediaWiki/Drupal? |
| 19:45.26 | blast007 | also, in regard to the web services, I think we should define what each section of our website system should do |
| 19:47.13 | donny_baker | blast007: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LDAP_Authentication doable in mediawiki |
| 19:47.23 | brlcad | http://bzflag.bz/~sean/prototype2.png |
| 19:48.35 | brlcad | blast007: not in a couple weeks but there was some development since last public talks |
| 19:49.01 | brlcad | basically seemed like they had it all working (locally) indicating it was all perfectly doable |
| 19:49.32 | brlcad | only issue was mediawiki and phpbb were ldap-read-only, so you'd really need the drupal aspect with a module that can edit if drupal can't |
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| 19:49.50 | brlcad | don't recall if they'd tested drupal to see if it had ldap-write capability |
| 19:51.10 | Winny | brlcad: http://bzfusion.net/bzflag.org/test3.jpg |
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| 19:53.34 | blast007 | brlcad: ah, ok |
| 19:54.27 | lodxcol | Winny: I like that layout :) |
| 19:55.39 | blast007 | brlcad: looks neat, but I dislike the side navigation since it would be an image map |
| 19:56.12 | Winny | blast007: you like mine? |
| 19:59.06 | brlcad | that's "better" but still an aspect of the layout that doesn't work beyond the first page (and having those massive buttons on every page would be annoying) -- would need to see how it mapped to other sections |
| 20:03.18 | Winny | Massive buttons wouldn't need to be on evry page |
| 20:03.29 | Winny | they could be in the top nav on other pages |
| 20:03.57 | Winny | figured the 3 most important links should be highly visible |
| 20:07.52 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, yes it is ..... |
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| 20:37.06 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, shot stuff should go in game? or world? |
| 20:37.44 | Erroneous | ask brlcad, I never really understood what game was for |
| 20:37.52 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, what is game used for? |
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| 22:00.36 | brlcad | game is intended to be anything that applies to playing the game that is interface agnostic -- game logic |
| 22:00.37 | JeffM2501 | shotpaths? |
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| 22:00.53 | JeffM2501 | that is shareed betwen server and client? |
| 22:00.55 | brlcad | if it makes sense for a headless or gui client, then probably |
| 22:01.10 | JeffM2501 | so it's client only? |
| 22:01.15 | brlcad | no, it's not |
| 22:01.19 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 22:01.25 | JeffM2501 | everyone will need this to keep a state |
| 22:01.31 | JeffM2501 | it's all the shot rico and path logic |
| 22:01.34 | JeffM2501 | but not the drawing |
| 22:01.41 | JeffM2501 | they are put in an externalised event handler |
| 22:01.55 | brlcad | game logic .. theoretically, if all the client stuff was moved to src/game, then using those same objects in the server would be a done deal for mirroring / migrating state |
| 22:02.09 | JeffM2501 | so, the short answer is "yes" :) |
| 22:02.13 | brlcad | yes :) |
| 22:02.24 | JeffM2501 | see that wasn't so hard :) |
| 22:02.26 | brlcad | anything non-presentation |
| 22:02.34 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's split out of this |
| 22:02.43 | JeffM2501 | I removed my concept of a "drawable" |
| 22:02.54 | JeffM2501 | now you just install an event handler callback with the shot |
| 22:02.58 | JeffM2501 | and it's called on each rico and end |
| 22:03.15 | JeffM2501 | on the client that will have the drawinc code in it |
| 22:03.17 | brlcad | e.g. menus wouldn't translate nor the hud even if their display callbacks were abstracted out because they have nothing to do with the game logic |
| 22:03.27 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:03.52 | brlcad | radar is probably the closest it gets since that does involve game logic |
| 22:04.00 | brlcad | though still not rendering |
| 22:04.05 | JeffM2501 | ish |
| 22:04.10 | JeffM2501 | it's just a state representation |
| 22:04.14 | JeffM2501 | for now |
| 22:04.14 | brlcad | right |
| 22:04.30 | JeffM2501 | soon it won't be |
| 22:04.30 | JeffM2501 | :) |
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| 22:04.52 | JeffM2501 | well it'll part of the client only state |
| 22:05.10 | JeffM2501 | tho I guess I'll have to be able to recreate the same state on the server for SSPs |
| 22:05.22 | JeffM2501 | tho that can be feed from the functions that send out the radar update packets |
| 22:05.28 | JeffM2501 | it'll know who can see what on radar |
| 22:09.19 | brlcad | cool, that'll be useful for the robocode integration |
| 22:10.15 | brlcad | they have a concept of radar visibility/scan angles in the api that is used with object visibility checking |
| 22:10.31 | JeffM2501 | yeah they will be seperate for sure |
| 22:10.34 | brlcad | bz's is pretty much 360, but having a means to get that list would help match the api |
| 22:10.59 | brlcad | at least presently |
| 22:11.18 | JeffM2501 | it's 360 - stealths |
| 22:11.20 | brlcad | it would be interesting to add visibility angles, play night maps and such where you only see in front of you |
| 22:11.44 | JeffM2501 | I planed on removing stuf behind you even in the day :) |
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| 22:14.42 | Dessy | anyone here? |
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| 22:20.14 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 22:20.22 | brlcad | no |
| 22:20.41 | Dessy | i have a problem with my bzflag server |
| 22:20.58 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 22:21.06 | Dessy | peoples were kicked becousethe tank is moving to fast |
| 22:21.16 | Dessy | i use -Speedtol |
| 22:21.23 | Dessy | but that dont help |
| 22:21.29 | JeffM2501 | you can set a bzdb var to make it log only |
| 22:21.43 | Dessy | how? |
| 22:21.58 | JeffM2501 | 1 sec |
| 22:22.02 | Dessy | ok |
| 22:23.46 | JeffM2501 | _speedChecksLogOnly |
| 22:23.50 | JeffM2501 | set that to 1 |
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| 22:25.52 | newnick | need an admin |
| 22:26.03 | JeffM2501 | for? |
| 22:26.09 | newnick | need an admin |
| 22:26.13 | JeffM2501 | for what? |
| 22:26.18 | JeffM2501 | and where? |
| 22:26.34 | newnick | is there an admin? |
| 22:26.47 | JeffM2501 | for a server? for the boards? for the project? what? |
| 22:26.55 | JeffM2501 | there are many admins for many diferent things |
| 22:27.02 | newnick | for official bzflag server |
| 22:27.17 | newnick | reeves wheelchair causing the problems |
| 22:29.42 | JeffM2501 | there is no officail bzflag game server? so do you mean the fourms? |
| 22:29.44 | JeffM2501 | what server? |
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| 22:31.28 | JeffM2501 | wheee for netsplit |
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| 22:33.25 | TD-Linux | :D |
| 22:33.25 | Dessy | jeffm: How? /set _speedChecksLogOnly 1? |
| 22:33.52 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:33.55 | JeffM2501 | it's just a far |
| 22:33.55 | JeffM2501 | var |
| 22:34.18 | Dessy | if i write this in the bzflag |
| 22:34.19 | JeffM2501 | assuming your server code is current |
| 22:34.35 | Dessy | he say that dont give |
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| 22:34.36 | Dessy | yes |
| 22:34.38 | Dessy | he is |
| 22:34.40 | Dessy | 2.0.9 |
| 22:34.47 | JeffM2501 | there are many 2.0.9s |
| 22:34.50 | JeffM2501 | how old is it? |
| 22:34.54 | Dessy | uhm |
| 22:35.06 | Dessy | how i can see this? |
| 22:35.12 | JeffM2501 | how old is your code? |
| 22:35.22 | TD-Linux | if it doesn't work, then just rebuild it with the latest. |
| 22:35.24 | JeffM2501 | the var was only recently added |
| 22:35.43 | Dessy | ok then i must compile the newest |
| 22:35.47 | Dessy | i think my code is |
| 22:35.54 | JeffM2501 | that's why I asked you how old your code was :) |
| 22:35.54 | Dessy | 1 - 2 month old |
| 22:35.58 | JeffM2501 | that is too old |
| 22:36.01 | JeffM2501 | that is not "recent" |
| 22:36.04 | JeffM2501 | that is "old" |
| 22:36.10 | Dessy | ok |
| 22:37.05 | Dessy | thx for ur help |
| 22:37.06 | Dessy | :) |
| 22:37.37 | ep | Some guy on hepcat is asking my why he gets kicked for "not using UDP" every time he shoots. He has high jittter 25ms if that is relevant. Any ideas? |
| 22:38.14 | TD-Linux | because somehow his internet connection is blocking udp, and the server wants udp because it's faster. |
| 22:39.17 | JeffM2501 | firewall or bad router rules most likely |
| 22:39.26 | ep | yes or router, but i didn't understand why it would happpen only when "he shoots" |
| 22:39.35 | ep | he says he was playing earlier |
| 22:39.39 | JeffM2501 | that is one place where we check for it |
| 22:39.45 | ep | ah :) |
| 22:39.53 | JeffM2501 | we do a number of checks |
| 22:39.59 | JeffM2501 | he may have very high packet loss on UDP |
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| 22:52.15 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14182 10/trunk/bzflag/configure.ac: quell the verbosity, just one line per file instead of two and three |
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| 23:15.04 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14183 10/trunk/bzflag/src/other/ares/ (96 files in 4 dirs): update to the latest ares sources (pulled from the latest curl sources) |
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| 23:27.17 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14184 10/trunk/bzflag/src/other/ares/Makefile.m32: missed this one |
| 23:38.22 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14185 10/trunk/bzflag/src/other/curl/ (898 files in 32 dirs): Add cURL 7.16.3 (from latest CVS) as it is one of BZ's core (required) dependencies. |
| 23:49.54 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14186 10/trunk/bzflag/ (8 files in 8 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 23:49.54 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: several major configuration changes in support of subconfigures. clean up the |
| 23:49.54 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: majority of $host_os sections into just one. clean up formatting to be |
| 23:49.54 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: consistent. add libcurl to the build if it's either requested via configure |
| 23:49.54 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: option or a suitable functioning system library is not found. |
| 23:49.57 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: add the following new configuration options: |
| 23:49.59 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: --enable-ares-build |
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| 23:55.24 | KTL | brlcad, i see -I../../include twice as argument to the compiler, i see you are working on the build system |
| 23:55.44 | KTL | mmm as argh to libtool |
| 23:56.14 | spldart | I'd like to thank Jeff, DTR, Wegstar and many many others for my fun time with BZFlag. It's been a fun couple of years. I have to leave at least for a while and will really miss the community and play. |
| 23:56.20 | spldart | Obviously I wont be needing the spldart.opencombat.net any longer but special thanks for the use of that :) |
| 23:56.30 | spldart | bye byes |
| 23:56.34 | blast007 | cya spldart |
| 23:56.37 | brlcad | ahh |
| 23:56.38 | a_meteorite | ! |
| 23:56.47 | rob1n | whoa |
| 23:56.50 | rob1n | that was fast |
| 23:57.03 | JeffM2501 | I wasn't aware that he was in texas |
| 23:57.04 | a_meteorite | That was unexpected.. what got into him? |
| 23:58.38 | JeffM2501 | IP dosnt' match his current but is in the same class B |
| 23:59.55 | rob1n | the mystery grows deeper... |
