| 00:07.07 | Jefenry | I'm messing around with a configuration file for a map I made, and I'm having some trouble with the wiki. I'm at http://my.bzflag.org/w/Creating_A_Server and it says -public DESCRIPTION, while just below it, -public "some text". In the config file, should the quotation marks be used? Or does it matter? |
| 00:07.22 | blast007 | use them |
| 00:07.25 | JeffM2501 | if it has spaces you need quotes |
| 00:07.40 | Jefenry | thanks |
| 00:15.43 | brlcad | DTRemenak: thanks.. I shall repair |
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| 00:19.03 | Winny | hi kierra! |
| 00:19.07 | Winny | bye kierra! |
| 00:19.12 | Winny | :'( |
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| 02:22.17 | brlcad | DTRemenak: curious.. the first argument list too long is on a simple "rm -rf autom4te.cache" |
| 02:23.15 | brlcad | consequently happens right after the COPYING and README files are stashed into memory.. I suspect having that much shoved into the env must snap something in that ash-derivative |
| 02:26.54 | brlcad | DTRemenak: can you comment out the line that says "protect_from_clobber" and the last line that says "recursive_restore", see if that lets it complete |
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| 03:11.08 | DTRemenak | brlcad: yup, that seems to do the trick |
| 03:11.53 | brlcad | tsk tsk |
| 03:15.52 | brlcad | i suppose i should do "something" before making this more complicated with curl |
| 03:26.41 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 03:29.37 | brlcad | Patlabor221: fyi, tested new client.. seems to be about 80% of the time I get a connection failure to brad's server, while didn't seem to have any issues with the other |
| 03:29.39 | Patlabor221 | huh? |
| 03:30.04 | brlcad | ahh |
| 03:30.06 | brlcad | not him |
| 03:30.14 | brlcad | JeffM2501: that was for your |
| 03:30.16 | brlcad | attention |
| 03:31.05 | brlcad | didn't debug at all, just minimal user/client testing .. various connection and timeout issues |
| 03:31.29 | JeffM2501 | yeah I think brad has to upgrade, the dead connect culler may be geting them too fast |
| 03:31.32 | brlcad | hrm. escape *really* should abort the connection |
| 03:31.57 | DTRemenak | connect is blocking at the moment...you're welcome to fix it |
| 03:32.37 | brlcad | connect blocks with 2.0 too |
| 03:32.46 | brlcad | nothing new, just old gripe |
| 03:33.34 | JeffM2501 | it was set to nonblocking before |
| 03:33.34 | JeffM2501 | we specificly changed it to be non block after |
| 03:34.39 | SportChick | woah, Patlabor221 - that's a bit of a flashback |
| 03:34.42 | brlcad | portions of the connect still block, like if there are dns woes -- can't abort certain things readily |
| 03:35.03 | JeffM2501 | should be all threaded :) |
| 03:35.51 | brlcad | i think that was the point of using/requiring ares, to make it async |
| 03:36.14 | brlcad | (on lookups) |
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| 15:40.35 | wanda | hi, i tried to compile v2_0_cs_branch an get lots of 'warnings', treated as error from cs headerfiles. i installed crytal_space development kit 1.0.1 .. should that work? or should i use an older version of cs dev? |
| 15:41.50 | tupone | forget that warning |
| 15:42.02 | tupone | if they are unused variable |
| 15:42.42 | tupone | and remove the -Werror and -Wshadow from the configure |
| 15:43.45 | wanda | pse look here: http://pastebin.ca/465758 |
| 15:43.49 | tupone | but you should know that the cs has nothing new a something less |
| 15:44.35 | tupone | yeah, you should remove the -Wshadow to get rid of most of the warning |
| 15:44.36 | wanda | yes, i know ... i just started to have a look at the cs branch ... |
| 15:44.50 | wanda | ok .. i'll try |
| 15:45.05 | tupone | and -Werror because there are some unused variable in CS that come to be an error |
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| 16:23.47 | wanda | compile finishes without error now .. but i get SIGSEGV just after starting http://pastebin.ca/465794 |
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| 16:33.55 | tupone | wanda, eek, you don't have SDL ? |
| 16:34.43 | tupone | I know it should not be used, but I never worked without it. I will patch eventually |
| 16:35.45 | wanda | uuhh, i configured '--without-SDL' ... i will reconfigure and test again |
| 16:35.51 | tupone | Indirect rendering ? |
| 16:39.25 | wanda | direct rendering is enabled ( xorg 7.2 with xorg radeon driver for ati Radeon RV250 If ) .. it's a crap, i know |
| 16:40.28 | tupone | hmm glxinfo return indirect or direct? |
| 16:41.09 | ruskie | wanda, it's not crap |
| 16:43.35 | JeffM2501 | the 9k radeons arn't horible. Not the best in the world but not horible |
| 16:43.39 | wanda | glxinfo - as root: direct yes as user direct: no .. oh, ha |
| 16:43.40 | JeffM2501 | lt least it's not a 7k |
| 16:44.06 | tupone | wanda, you should add a section to xorg.conf |
| 16:45.35 | ruskie | the low level 9k ones that is... |
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| 17:33.28 | CIA-18 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14173 10/trunk/bzflag/doc/ideas.txt: the rework of the pack/unpack stuff and the handle command was done. |
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| 18:32.48 | deltaray | Is there a way to setup the client to just run bots on a server with no display? |
| 18:33.06 | JeffM2501 | not yet |
| 18:33.34 | deltaray | So there is no way to run bots for a dedicated server from the server? |
| 18:33.48 | JeffM2501 | not yet |
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| 18:34.10 | deltaray | Maybe I could try something like a /dev/null display or something. I'll investigate |
| 18:35.33 | CBG | roflmao |
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| 18:37.09 | JeffM2501 | I knew that bot was a bad idea |
| 18:37.11 | Erroneous | silly person banning yourself :P |
| 18:37.30 | ruskie | lol |
| 18:37.41 | JeffM2501 | deltaray, server side bots are about 1/2 way implemented in our development version but they are not complete |
| 18:37.46 | CBG | pwnt :P |
| 18:37.47 | JeffM2501 | there is also a project in our dev version to do a headless bot client |
| 18:38.12 | deltaray | ok |
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| 18:38.45 | QuantumBeep | I see where server bots will be good... but I also hope we don't wind up with half the tanks in BZ being bots. |
| 18:39.33 | JeffM2501 | doubtfull they'd ever get THAT good |
| 18:40.08 | QuantumBeep | Not what I meant. Back in 1.10.x, people spammed the listservers with solo bots. |
| 18:40.16 | QuantumBeep | That's what I would hate to see again |
| 18:40.27 | JeffM2501 | bots arn't counted as players |
| 18:40.33 | JeffM2501 | for list server |
| 18:40.58 | a_temp_dist | will observers count in the list server totals? |
| 18:41.08 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 18:41.16 | a_temp_dist | sweet |
| 18:41.18 | ts | I tried to set up bots in 2.0.x and the server got listed full |
| 18:41.26 | JeffM2501 | just real meatsakcs |
| 18:41.58 | a_temp_dist | lo |
| 18:42.41 | ts | JeffM2501: Do you know the dimensions of the view frustum in bz? |
| 18:42.46 | QuantumBeep | I can't wait to see the new game list arrangement |
| 18:43.17 | JeffM2501 | ts, what do you mean? |
| 18:43.28 | JeffM2501 | the view angle? |
| 18:43.33 | JeffM2501 | or the distance? |
| 18:43.38 | ts | JeffM2501: The area which is rendered |
| 18:43.50 | JeffM2501 | depends on your view angle and distance :) |
| 18:44.09 | JeffM2501 | I dont' remember what our FOV is |
| 18:44.23 | JeffM2501 | I know the yon clip is based on the world size |
| 18:44.36 | ts | There is that bug where one can look through boxes with narrow flag and driving near box |
| 18:44.51 | ts | seems to have to do with the view frustum |
| 18:44.58 | JeffM2501 | that'd be collisions where the camera goes into the box |
| 18:45.01 | ts | e.g. too near = not rendered |
| 18:45.02 | JeffM2501 | not the biew |
| 18:45.13 | JeffM2501 | yeah we have a near clip plane of 0 |
| 18:45.15 | JeffM2501 | IIRC |
| 18:45.22 | JeffM2501 | or maybe a small positive value |
| 18:45.46 | JeffM2501 | collisions soudn't let you get that close |
| 18:45.46 | ts | visible area on screen = view frustum for me |
| 18:45.52 | ts | too near means not rendered |
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| 18:46.02 | ts | and too far away = not rendered, either |
| 18:46.14 | JeffM2501 | it's probably the hither clip plane |
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| 18:46.34 | JeffM2501 | with narrow how close can you get to the box? 0 distance? |
| 18:46.50 | ts | No idea..I don't know how small a narrow tank is |
| 18:46.55 | JeffM2501 | 0 :) |
| 18:46.57 | JeffM2501 | in one axis |
| 18:47.04 | ts | eek |
| 18:47.12 | JeffM2501 | yeah it shoudl be changed to be a small value |
| 18:47.14 | JeffM2501 | not 0 |
| 18:47.23 | ts | epsilon = 0 :D |
| 18:47.24 | JeffM2501 | yet another thing who ever did that flag didn't think of |
| 18:47.29 | ts | good joke |
| 18:48.52 | L4m3r | you can still shoot a narrow tank in the face, though |
| 18:49.07 | L4m3r | since the shots have a finite size |
| 18:49.13 | ts | The collision is different from the visible area |
| 18:49.30 | L4m3r | ...is it possible to squeeze a narrow tank though a gap that's zero units wide? :P |
| 18:50.03 | JeffM2501 | ts, the collison should never let you put the camera in an invalid place |
| 18:50.20 | JeffM2501 | and that's the issue, the camera and the face are at the same depth |
| 18:50.26 | JeffM2501 | so the face is not drawn |
| 18:50.44 | JeffM2501 | to solve it with a clip you'd move the clip plane negitive |
| 18:50.52 | JeffM2501 | and tha'd be bad for other reaons |
| 18:50.54 | L4m3r | that happens with a smaller-than-default tiny tank, also |
| 18:51.02 | JeffM2501 | better to not let the camera go onto the wall |
| 18:51.28 | L4m3r | ack, gotta |
| 18:51.31 | L4m3r | run |
| 18:51.44 | JeffM2501 | I don't know where the camera is on the tank ether |
| 18:54.09 | ts | interesting |
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| 18:59.59 | Quol | anybody know where I can get the source for the OneVsOne plugin - catay, you there? the link in the forum is a brokeno |
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| 19:09.21 | catay | Quol: http://catay.be/bzplugins/ |
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| 19:11.16 | Quol | catay: thanks :) |
| 19:11.44 | catay | yw :) |
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| 21:21.33 | amcnabb | There are a couple of missing files in the trunk that make it so "make dist" doesn't work. |
| 21:22.07 | brlcad | feel free to fix them ;) |
| 21:22.09 | tupone | ~lart brlcad |
| 21:22.09 | ibot | explains, ever so gently, that if brlcad doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help |
| 21:22.14 | amcnabb | Does anyone know what ideas.txt is? |
| 21:22.23 | brlcad | just a list of someone's ideas |
| 21:22.32 | amcnabb | I don't see the file, but it's listed in EXTRA_DIST |
| 21:22.41 | brlcad | ah, it was moved to doc/ |
| 21:22.47 | amcnabb | ok |
| 21:22.49 | amcnabb | I'll fix that. |
| 21:23.06 | poolio | is svn working? |
| 21:23.29 | tupone | svn work |
| 21:23.41 | amcnabb | Should anything else in doc be included in EXTRA_DIST? |
| 21:24.49 | brlcad | pretty much anything in a checkout should be in the dist, either implicitly via a build/link rule or via EXTRA_DIST |
| 21:25.10 | brlcad | I don't think we keep *anything* that is in a checkout that we wouldn't want in a dist |
| 21:25.51 | amcnabb | Right now I don't think any of the xml files are being included. |
| 21:25.54 | brlcad | yeah, I'd believe that -- though the whole dir might be listed higher up |
| 21:26.27 | amcnabb | I'll check on it in a sec. |
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| 21:26.29 | brlcad | that documentation work could use integration with the wiki |
| 21:26.43 | brlcad | automation even, export from wiki, commit to sources |
| 21:26.59 | amcnabb | In the meantime, is it a problem that plugin_utils.{def,sln,vcproj} don't exist? |
| 21:26.59 | Dessy | hi any root server owner here? |
| 21:27.47 | JeffM2501 | root server? |
| 21:27.53 | Dessy | i have big problem |
| 21:28.01 | Dessy | a server |
| 21:28.02 | JeffM2501 | what do you mean by "root server"? |
| 21:28.04 | amcnabb | For right now, I'm taking those three files out of plugins/plugin_utils/Makefile.am |
| 21:28.19 | tupone | root server are owned by US government |
| 21:28.29 | JeffM2501 | if he means DNS :) |
| 21:28.41 | JeffM2501 | he may mean list server |
| 21:28.48 | tupone | ahh :) |
| 21:28.51 | JeffM2501 | or just any server |
| 21:28.57 | Dessy | dedectet server |
| 21:29.09 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 21:29.21 | Dessy | Dedicated Server |
| 21:29.24 | Dessy | i mean |
| 21:29.25 | JeffM2501 | ahhh |
| 21:29.30 | Dessy | lol |
| 21:29.31 | JeffM2501 | what is your problem? |
| 21:29.39 | Dessy | any have hacked my server |
| 21:29.51 | Dessy | *any one |
| 21:29.56 | JeffM2501 | what? |
| 21:30.04 | brlcad | amcnabb: windows build might be doing something different, that's their issue -- should just be removed if they don't exist ;) |
| 21:30.23 | JeffM2501 | are you asking if your server can be "hacked" or if anyone has hacked your server? |
| 21:30.39 | Dessy | my server is hacked |
| 21:30.45 | JeffM2501 | that sucks |
| 21:30.48 | Dessy | yes |
| 21:30.51 | Dessy | ver |
| 21:30.52 | Dessy | y |
| 21:30.53 | JeffM2501 | what is your recovery plan? |
| 21:31.12 | Dessy | my provider has some futures |
| 21:31.37 | Winny | as in, someone messed with your server?... or your website? |
| 21:31.46 | brlcad | you've presumably knowledgably verified that you've actually been hacked and something isn't just misconfigured/broken |
| 21:31.47 | Dessy | a Recovery function with they u can recover the server password |
| 21:31.56 | Dessy | but that dont work |
| 21:32.06 | Dessy | any one use a teamspeak server on it |
| 21:32.14 | CIA-18 | BZFlag: 03amcnabb * r14174 10/trunk/bzflag/ (5 files in 4 dirs): fixes to allow 'make dist' to stop complaining about missing files |
| 21:32.27 | Dessy | we can it hold down for ca. 5 mins but then he is up |
| 21:32.49 | Dessy | and i dunno if he work with iligales things |
| 21:34.24 | Dessy | the problem is i can reinstall but the much files and the league... |
| 21:34.57 | Winny | Dessy, I can't connect to your server, are you sure it just isn't down? |
| 21:35.10 | Dessy | wich server? |
| 21:35.14 | Dessy | bzflag? |
| 21:35.20 | Dessy | or what u mean? |
| 21:35.57 | CBG | no backups..? |
| 21:36.28 | Dessy | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.36 | Dessy | only for our homepage |
| 21:36.42 | Dessy | from Links-clan |
| 21:36.44 | Winny | Dessy: web server... |
| 21:36.54 | Dessy | they down |
| 21:36.58 | Dessy | i think |
| 21:37.09 | Dessy | teamspeak server is running |
| 21:37.11 | Winny | then how can you tell if it was hacked? |
| 21:37.13 | Dessy | but not at the moment |
| 21:37.36 | Dessy | the server is at the moment down |
| 21:38.00 | Dessy | we can hold it down for 5 mins then he is up again :( |
| 21:38.20 | Dessy | how i can tell if it was hacked??? |
| 21:38.23 | Dessy | i know it |
| 21:38.35 | Dessy | our plesk webinterface is down |
| 21:38.56 | Winny | then the _server_is_down |
| 21:38.58 | Dessy | our teamspeak administration site have a other stylle |
| 21:39.02 | Winny | happens to me all the time. |
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| 21:39.12 | Winny | things ranomly stop working for a few hours |
| 21:39.12 | Dessy | now the server is on :( |
| 21:39.24 | Dessy | soon down |
| 21:39.44 | Dessy | down |
| 21:40.11 | Dessy | i must wait until i get a maessage from the support team |
| 21:40.23 | Winny | If it was "hacked" then it would just be down |
| 21:40.38 | Winny | your web server provider is probably network issues |
| 21:43.01 | CBG | you still have access? |
| 21:48.02 | CIA-18 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r14175 10/branches/v2_0_cs_branch/bzflag/src/bzflag/ (BackgroundRenderer.cxx BackgroundRenderer.h playing.cxx): Mountains are done (or not done) programmatically. |
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| 21:53.32 | JeffM2501 | so Dessy what exactly do you nee from us? |
| 21:54.35 | Dessy | nothing i have thing u know i can shutdown the server without ssh acces |
| 21:55.17 | JeffM2501 | go push the button |
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| 22:27.33 | Links-2004 | hi |
| 22:27.48 | Links-2004 | kann einer mal teten ob er auf http://links-clan.net kommt |
| 22:27.56 | Links-2004 | äää |
| 22:28.11 | Links-2004 | can anywon pls test ob http://links-clan.net work |
| 22:28.27 | Birdie | acces denied |
| 22:28.31 | Links-2004 | mmm |
| 22:28.33 | Links-2004 | o je |
| 22:28.38 | Links-2004 | server hacked :/ |
| 22:30.16 | JeffM2501 | or you didn't pay your bill :) |
| 22:31.26 | Links-2004 | ? |
| 22:32.07 | JeffM2501 | have you called the ISP and verified that it is not an account issue? |
| 22:32.36 | Links-2004 | ? what you meen |
| 22:32.55 | JeffM2501 | the host |
| 22:33.01 | JeffM2501 | the ISP that hosts the server |
| 22:33.07 | JeffM2501 | call them |
| 22:33.15 | JeffM2501 | see if the issue is hacking, or something else |
| 22:33.56 | Links-2004 | i have a ping and wen i reboot over hoster the i have no ping |
| 22:34.05 | JeffM2501 | that dosn't mean it was "hacked" |
| 22:34.11 | JeffM2501 | call them |
| 22:34.13 | JeffM2501 | don't guess |
| 22:35.08 | Links-2004 | when i trance thet tehn i comes to te same ip |
| 22:35.18 | JeffM2501 | so |
| 22:35.32 | Links-2004 | p144.purple.fastwebserver.de |
| 22:35.39 | JeffM2501 | there are a large number of reasons why it could do that, up to and including hardware failure |
| 22:36.13 | Links-2004 | ?? wrong routing of ip ?? ? |
| 22:36.17 | JeffM2501 | the DNS is going to another IP? |
| 22:36.21 | JeffM2501 | who hosts your dns? |
| 22:36.37 | Links-2004 | no |
| 22:37.30 | Links-2004 | domains : 1und1 and united-domains.de |
| 22:37.45 | JeffM2501 | and they do not point to the right IP? |
| 22:38.01 | Links-2004 | all go to the ip 85.114.133.144 |
| 22:38.06 | Links-2004 | ant the server ip is 85.114.133.144 |
| 22:38.24 | Links-2004 | but i dont become ssh web or somsing |
| 22:38.30 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 22:38.47 | JeffM2501 | where is that host located? at a data center? |
| 22:39.15 | Links-2004 | yes |
| 22:39.41 | JeffM2501 | and you are sure that you have paid your account with that data center and the service is still valid? |
| 22:40.08 | Links-2004 | myLoc - düsseldorf germany |
| 22:40.28 | Links-2004 | yes ww have paid |
| 22:40.31 | JeffM2501 | and you have called them to make sure that they did not make a mistake and move servers arround or change any IPs or routes |
| 22:41.08 | Links-2004 | no answar of the support they slepping its 00:39 AM by me |
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| 22:42.22 | JeffM2501 | no 24 hour support? |
| 22:42.24 | JeffM2501 | wow that sucks |
| 22:42.32 | Links-2004 | no |
| 22:42.49 | Links-2004 | hostet at fastit |
| 22:43.06 | JeffM2501 | most good ISP hosts have 24 hour support |
| 22:43.34 | JeffM2501 | but bsaicly you have no way to know if you were hacked or some other issue happend |
| 22:43.38 | JeffM2501 | untill you contact and get word from the ISP |
| 22:44.05 | JeffM2501 | who pays for the hosting? |
| 22:44.13 | Links-2004 | desy |
| 22:44.23 | JeffM2501 | and he is sure he is paid in full? |
| 22:44.38 | JeffM2501 | I've seen many people say they are "hacked" when they just forgot to pay :) |
| 22:44.53 | Links-2004 | yes al paied last at 16.04.2007 |
| 22:45.07 | JeffM2501 | there are still a number of things it could be |
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| 22:45.23 | Links-2004 | no open paid at the hoster site |
| 22:45.25 | JeffM2501 | I mean they don't even have someone there for a paid manual reasite? |
| 22:45.32 | JeffM2501 | reset |
| 22:45.42 | Links-2004 | reset ? |
| 22:45.49 | JeffM2501 | to go hit the button on it |
| 22:45.50 | CBG | reboot |
| 22:45.52 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:46.08 | JeffM2501 | any good ISP will have a serivice where they can reset a machine for you |
| 22:46.41 | Links-2004 | i reboot it many |
| 22:46.58 | CBG | so you have access ? |
| 22:47.24 | JeffM2501 | or is it power controll panel? |
| 22:47.26 | Links-2004 | no i have click reboot at the hoster menü |
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| 22:47.32 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:47.33 | Dessy | menue |
| 22:47.38 | CBG | menu* |
| 22:47.38 | Dessy | :P |
| 22:47.41 | Dessy | now |
| 22:47.46 | Dessy | ow :P |
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| 22:48.23 | CBG | so, the server keeps going down after you reboot it? |
| 22:48.26 | GrandHustla | greetings. |
| 22:48.47 | Links-2004 | yes it reboot the ping go lost a time long ant then it comes back |
| 22:49.07 | JeffM2501 | and that makes you think it was "hacked" |
| 22:49.18 | JeffM2501 | and not some other problem with the OS or server |
| 22:49.47 | CBG | what kind of lame-ass hacker is gonna sit at their pc checking every minute to see if you rebooted yet, just so they can shut it down again, OVER and OVER ?? |
| 22:50.06 | JeffM2501 | I think he thiks it was compromised internaly |
| 22:50.18 | JeffM2501 | possible |
| 22:50.22 | Links-2004 | the server has a rescue system at the hoster menu ant then he loads a other os and thet hase ssh but the dount work |
| 22:50.54 | JeffM2501 | if they load another os and that dosnt' work, thenthat OS would be clean, and that woudl rule out the hacking |
| 22:51.07 | JeffM2501 | I'm guessing somone screwed up a firewal or router there |
| 22:52.56 | Links-2004 | mmm why i became then shh screen but my root pw dont work. TS i can join but they are many other people |
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| 22:54.05 | JeffM2501 | you don't even know if your connecting to the same machine |
| 22:54.05 | JeffM2501 | in the end you can't know till you contac them |
| 22:54.08 | Links-2004 | the ip is correct |
| 22:54.17 | JeffM2501 | so |
| 22:54.28 | JeffM2501 | the ISP could have asigned the IP to another machien by accedent |
| 22:54.33 | Links-2004 | and wen i click reboot i have no ping |
| 22:54.47 | JeffM2501 | and yo may be rebooting somone eles'e machien :) |
| 22:54.57 | JeffM2501 | if they have a screwup |
| 22:55.01 | Links-2004 | howto check ISP? |
| 22:55.05 | JeffM2501 | CALL THEM |
| 22:55.21 | JeffM2501 | if they aren't there, you wait |
| 22:55.24 | JeffM2501 | end of story |
| 22:55.35 | JeffM2501 | and start looking for a better ISP that has 24 hour support |
| 22:55.43 | Winny | sprinkle magic fairy dust on the server |
| 22:55.46 | Links-2004 | the have my baned of ts |
| 22:55.51 | Philbrick34 | haha. |
| 22:56.01 | JeffM2501 | I don't understand that last sentance |
| 22:56.14 | Links-2004 | ts = Teamspeak |
| 22:56.21 | Links-2004 | they have my banned |
| 22:56.33 | JeffM2501 | if it is hacked, there is nothing you can do untill you call them anyway |
| 22:56.53 | JeffM2501 | so no mater what you have to wait |
| 22:57.36 | Winny | that was gross, pulled out my baritone's main slide and there was hair in there |
| 22:58.04 | CBG | TMI!!!!!!! |
| 22:58.23 | Links-2004 | what ??? |
| 22:58.23 | Winny | lol |
| 22:58.28 | Links-2004 | i dount unterstand you |
| 22:58.36 | Links-2004 | my english is to bad |
| 22:58.45 | JeffM2501 | it wasn't to you Links-2004 do not worry |
| 22:58.53 | Links-2004 | k |
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| 22:59.01 | Winny | I just needed to get it off my chest :p |
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