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| 00:02.27 | JeffM2501 | BZSpamBot, benice |
| 00:02.27 | BZSpamBot | Playing it safe JeffM2501 |
| 00:02.45 | KTL | BZSpamBot, roll |
| 00:02.45 | BZSpamBot | huh? |
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| 00:28.46 | brlcad | information on how gsoc student slots were allocated: http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/notes-on-student-allocations |
| 00:34.35 | JeffM2501 | seems mostly "if you were with us last year...." |
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| 00:36.02 | Erroneous | # of applicants seems to be the biggest contributor |
| 00:36.09 | brlcad | popularity in general, doing well before |
| 00:36.13 | Erroneous | which makes since |
| 00:36.15 | Erroneous | sense |
| 00:36.21 | Erroneous | gah |
| 00:36.52 | brlcad | only partly -- # of contributors can be throttled via an orgs published ideas and submission process |
| 00:38.26 | brlcad | more seeded ideas generally results in more submissions overall |
| 00:38.39 | Erroneous | the thought process is "more applicants => more good applicants" which is true iff the ratio of applicants to good applicants is consistent. in general, it probably is. |
| 00:39.01 | Erroneous | and if it's not, that's when they can adjust in later years |
| 00:40.05 | brlcad | talking with other admins, the ratio seems to vary widely if they're to be believed |
| 00:40.36 | brlcad | i.e. as project popularity increases, the quality diminishes %wise |
| 00:40.50 | Erroneous | that's interesting |
| 00:41.22 | brlcad | mostly heresay from groups like gnome saying how many of their submissions were just crap |
| 00:43.15 | Erroneous | right, maybe the average quality goes down...but what about the "we really want this guy" %? |
| 00:43.15 | brlcad | yeah, that's an unknown |
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| 00:43.58 | brlcad | from what leslie was saying, that first "tweak" is a major factor |
| 00:44.20 | brlcad | if you did well, and have enough mentors, you are highly biased to get what you seem to be able to handle |
| 00:44.40 | brlcad | a safe bet from their perspective |
| 00:45.09 | Erroneous | yup |
| 00:45.14 | Erroneous | just means we have to do well :) |
| 00:45.17 | brlcad | understandable, though hard for the new folks |
| 00:45.26 | Erroneous | new folks aren't new for long |
| 00:45.33 | Erroneous | in the greater scheme of things |
| 00:45.47 | brlcad | gsoc is still new in the greater scheme of things |
| 00:45.56 | Erroneous | true :) |
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| 02:16.43 | rob1n | ~seen big_daddy2 |
| 02:17.13 | ibot | big_daddy2 <n=48f122db@bz.bzflag.bz> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1d 8h 32m 58s ago, saying: 'how do u get the spin angle to work on a arc?'. |
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| 02:47.44 | biggeruniverse | hello |
| 02:47.51 | blast007 | yo |
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| 03:18.18 | biggeruniverse | not much talking tonight |
| 03:19.33 | JeffM2501 | can happen |
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| 03:40.24 | JeffM2501 | a blog on the interweb, WOW |
| 03:40.24 | JeffM2501 | who'd a thunk it |
| 03:41.02 | KTL | is bzgirl == SportChick ? |
| 03:41.17 | SportChick | KTL: no |
| 03:41.26 | SportChick | KTL: bzgirl = orchid |
| 03:41.42 | KTL | oki :) |
| 03:41.46 | SportChick | :) |
| 03:47.40 | BinarySpike | oooh, didn't know that |
| 03:48.06 | KTL | there is also a bzaddictchick playing sometimes |
| 03:48.31 | KTL | (a lot) |
| 03:49.42 | BinarySpike | I know bzaddictchick |
| 03:49.45 | SportChick | KTL: there are a lot of girls who play :) |
| 03:49.53 | BinarySpike | SportChick, Not to many |
| 03:50.01 | SportChick | BinarySpike: more than you think :) |
| 03:50.27 | BinarySpike | for a year, you, fbgirl, and bzblonde were the only three I knew of |
| 03:50.27 | KTL | and very nice ones too :D |
| 03:50.35 | BinarySpike | There are quite a few now... |
| 03:50.48 | BinarySpike | I tried to get all my friends to play, none of them liked bzflag |
| 03:50.55 | KTL | idem |
| 03:50.59 | SportChick | BinarySpike: I know of at least 20-25 without thinking too hard |
| 03:51.11 | BinarySpike | ah |
| 03:51.19 | BinarySpike | oh and flutterby |
| 03:51.20 | KTL | kwaaaaak ? you ask it all the time maybe |
| 03:54.12 | BinarySpike | Feb, 28, 2004 |
| 03:54.15 | BinarySpike | 2005* |
| 03:55.05 | KTL | well, how can you know for sure if it is a girl or euhm something else |
| 03:55.15 | SportChick | KTL: I've met several of them in person :) |
| 03:55.19 | KTL | and 20 that is a lot |
| 03:55.23 | SportChick | so I'm quite positive :) |
| 03:55.26 | BinarySpike | 20 regulars? |
| 03:55.38 | SportChick | others I've talked to on the phone :) |
| 03:55.54 | BinarySpike | I skyped with three bz-players... |
| 03:56.06 | BinarySpike | and teamspeaked with a few |
| 03:56.23 | SportChick | I can vouch for 14 of them :) |
| 03:56.33 | SportChick | the rest I can't confirm but I'm pretty darned sure :) |
| 03:57.21 | BinarySpike | uh ok, I had only met 4-5 that they were girls... but it doesn't really matter... |
| 03:57.30 | BinarySpike | unless I was in the league again, then it would matter |
| 03:57.37 | BinarySpike | girls play different than guys |
| 03:59.17 | BinarySpike | anyone play tri-spider? |
| 03:59.19 | BinarySpike | http://www.bubblebox.com/swf5/349/tri-achnid.swf |
| 03:59.29 | BinarySpike | I beat it, 5 out of 8 larva |
| 04:01.24 | KTL | i converted to linux in the winter of 2002-2003, must have started playing then, good old hashmark |
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| 04:04.58 | BinarySpike | KTL what name did you go under? |
| 04:05.05 | KTL | as KTL :D |
| 04:05.23 | BinarySpike | I don't remember you... |
| 04:05.25 | KTL | the callsign was born the same time |
| 04:06.10 | KTL | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:07.52 | BinarySpike | you can google me :P |
| 04:08.27 | BinarySpike | I've always used this name (except for a short time, and I just want to forget that :P) |
| 04:08.35 | KTL | you cheater :P |
| 04:08.49 | KTL | High Score 10000 <- that is not playing~! |
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| 04:11.25 | BinarySpike | High Score... on what? |
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| 04:12.05 | BinarySpike | whoa, I just googled myself... some stupid old threads from ages ago |
| 04:12.24 | KTL | http://my.bzflag.org/playerinfo.php?callsign=BinarySpike |
| 04:12.41 | KTL | ow no the sun is rising here again |
| 04:12.49 | BinarySpike | oooooooooooooooooh no I didn't cheat for that |
| 04:13.04 | KTL | ok explain! |
| 04:13.10 | BinarySpike | I put up a server and made SW real big |
| 04:13.12 | BinarySpike | and had bots |
| 04:13.27 | KTL | grmbl that is ... c h e... |
| 04:13.41 | BinarySpike | I didn't use cheats though... |
| 04:13.53 | KTL | but "who" was more efficient :) he used a big steamroller :) |
| 04:14.17 | KTL | he did not have to click even :) |
| 04:14.25 | BinarySpike | I put it on auto |
| 04:14.32 | BinarySpike | I might have used SR come to think of it |
| 04:14.34 | BinarySpike | idk |
| 04:14.48 | BinarySpike | best score I had was 1200 on my purple pwange |
| 04:14.55 | BinarySpike | that's kinda "grmbl cheating" |
| 04:15.41 | BinarySpike | best score I ever had singly on HiX was 131 |
| 04:15.41 | KTL | i still believe the scores around 1000 |
| 04:16.37 | BinarySpike | anything like purple pwnage isn't a real score |
| 04:16.50 | BinarySpike | and on normal settings 1000 takes at least 5-20 hours |
| 04:16.59 | KTL | 10 hours |
| 04:17.08 | KTL | with somebody next to you with a stopwatch |
| 04:17.18 | BinarySpike | I'm no good anymore |
| 04:17.19 | KTL | hitting you if you don't kill in 30 seconds :D |
| 04:17.27 | BinarySpike | lol |
| 04:17.55 | BinarySpike | I like my new computer ^_^ |
| 04:17.58 | KTL | that was what i had, after 8 hours someone came in and he wanted to go eat with me, but i wanted to reach 1000! |
| 04:18.01 | BinarySpike | I should play bz more often to get my edge back |
| 04:18.05 | KTL | so he grabbed the stopwatch |
| 04:18.47 | BinarySpike | anybody here remember torture2m? |
| 04:18.51 | BinarySpike | Boy I want to talk to him again |
| 04:19.01 | BinarySpike | SportChick should remember him... |
| 04:19.18 | SportChick | BinarySpike: I remember tort |
| 04:19.35 | BinarySpike | I miss him a lot :( |
| 04:19.43 | SportChick | yeah, nice guy |
| 04:20.09 | BinarySpike | I met him on viper and got him to play the league |
| 04:20.35 | BinarySpike | he played on quol a month ago! |
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| 04:20.58 | jude- | hello all |
| 04:21.29 | SportChick | hi jude- |
| 04:21.55 | jude- | hello SportChick |
| 04:24.31 | BinarySpike | boy that's sad :'( tri-spider died |
| 04:24.58 | a_meteorite | tri-spider? |
| 04:25.01 | BinarySpike | ripping your heart out has a whole new meaning :P I just grab ahold and heave! |
| 04:25.02 | BinarySpike | http://www.bubblebox.com/swf5/349/tri-achnid.swf |
| 04:25.25 | BinarySpike | met if you need me to get on AIM just MSN me and I won't reply |
| 04:25.29 | BinarySpike | And then get on AIM |
| 04:25.41 | BinarySpike | That way I don't crash you |
| 04:25.48 | a_meteorite | k |
| 04:26.10 | BinarySpike | Davy got to the water lvl last I heard |
| 04:26.16 | BinarySpike | Flutterby is on the last lvl |
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| 04:26.17 | BinarySpike | and I beat it |
| 04:26.58 | a_meteorite | lots of controls :o |
| 04:27.09 | BinarySpike | wasd, mouse, ctl, space... |
| 04:27.21 | BinarySpike | once you learn how to walk fast without dying :P then it's cake |
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| 04:27.37 | a_meteorite | ick |
| 04:27.50 | a_meteorite | I don't have right mouse cause I still have a one-button mouse |
| 04:28.11 | BinarySpike | that's all you need... |
| 04:29.10 | BinarySpike | I wish I could have my computer like set off the firealarm if it gets hot |
| 04:29.13 | BinarySpike | I want to leave it on overnight |
| 04:29.44 | BinarySpike | lol I should wire it to my firealarm |
| 04:30.00 | BinarySpike | ooh on a transistor yeah! |
| 04:30.54 | BinarySpike | I'm going to bed, good luck meteorite, patience pays off ;) the story is really good at the end |
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| 04:34.39 | a_meteorite | my tri-achnid died for no reason :( |
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| 05:17.07 | JeffM2501 | BZSpamBot, addchanmaster blast007 |
| 05:17.08 | BZSpamBot | Ok, JeffM2501, user, blast007 added to channel masters list |
| 05:17.24 | JeffM2501 | BZSpamBot, addchanmaster DTRemenak |
| 05:17.25 | BZSpamBot | Ok, JeffM2501, user, DTRemenak added to channel masters list |
| 05:17.40 | JeffM2501 | it shoudl be a little kinder now |
| 05:45.16 | jude- | yay! the spambot is back! |
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| 07:00.31 | Gracey | Anyone here use X-Chat? |
| 07:01.14 | Gracey | I'd like to know of a way to Auto-Join channels on log in |
| 07:03.07 | deprecated | I use xchat on linux |
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| 07:04.22 | H0ley | is there a way to bind "toggleFlags radar" & "toggleFlags main" to one button? I tried editing the config and that doesn't seem to work. =/ |
| 07:06.18 | Gracey | There should be, I've recently changed it to allow 3 shots 'q' 'w' and 'e' but im not coordinated enough so i went back to 2 |
| 07:07.38 | H0ley | I wish there was an "autohide flag" feature that removes flag from view& radar when I have a flag already on hand |
| 07:09.28 | H0ley | oOo, nvm I got it. Thanks to The Red Barons post! NVM |
| 07:09.43 | Gracey | heh |
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| 07:13.44 | deprecated | success? |
| 07:14.03 | Gracey | Success! XD |
| 07:14.20 | deprecated | yaa |
| 07:14.27 | Gracey | Cheers =) |
| 07:16.26 | deprecated | Off to BZ for a bit. |
| 07:16.54 | Gracey | Okie, im going AFK for a bit anyways |
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| 11:17.10 | RatOmeter | Manu, ruskie, any admin at viper.pimpi.org... the CTF plugin is seriously hosed. It calls 5:4 "even" and 5:5 "uneven" |
| 11:17.24 | ruskie | going to reload it... |
| 11:18.05 | Manu | :) |
| 11:18.09 | ruskie | done |
| 11:18.39 | ruskie | the stuff that BearPerson found might be well to try it out... |
| 11:19.13 | BearPerson | hmm... I wonder if reloading fixes it at all then |
| 11:20.08 | ruskie | it reinits it all... |
| 11:20.27 | BearPerson | there's not much to reinit |
| 11:20.39 | ruskie | well for some reason it starts to properly count... |
| 11:21.01 | BearPerson | I went through all state kept by the thing and came up with maybe 2-3 things that could be wrong, all of which are reset by teams evening out and becoming uneven again |
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| 13:14.38 | RatOmeter | ruskie, BearPerson, I wonder if the problem has to do with the measurement of time? |
| 13:14.53 | RatOmeter | where can I find the source code to this plugin? |
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| 13:19.35 | ruskie | RatOmeter, gimme your email and I'll send it to you |
| 13:19.54 | RatOmeter | reagat@ceat.okstate.edu |
| 13:21.37 | ruskie | sent... |
| 13:25.15 | RatOmeter | tanks! |
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| 15:03.56 | ruskie | hmm |
| 15:03.56 | ruskie | no rejects here |
| 15:03.56 | RatOmeter | strange. nothing from you on either of my addies |
| 15:03.56 | RatOmeter | ah-ha! my first guess was right. I found it in my gmail spam folder ;) |
| 15:03.56 | ruskie | mail server says it went through |
| 15:03.57 | ruskie | can't help it if you use such crap mail services... |
| 15:03.58 | RatOmeter | poor mail.ceat.okstate.edu, alas, he is a crap mail service. At least I can check him and see what rule he used to tag your mail |
| 15:03.58 | ruskie | I use dspam on my own... |
| 15:03.58 | ruskie | no issues... |
| 15:03.58 | RatOmeter | anyway, thanks for the mail |
| 15:41.04 | BearPerson | RatOmeter, potentially, yes it could |
| 15:41.40 | ruskie | nice to have more ppl interested in this now :) |
| 15:41.41 | BearPerson | but it'd have to have bz_getCurrentTime return a weird time (way more than the next bunch of calls) just before team sizes change |
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| 16:42.35 | RatOmeter | BearPerson, I've only looked at it briefly so far, but the fact that the default way out of isEven (if all of the "check differences and ratios" conditionals somehow fail) returns true |
| 16:42.47 | RatOmeter | looks suspicious. |
| 16:43.06 | BearPerson | nah, that's good |
| 16:43.15 | BearPerson | if there's no reason to call it uneven, it's even |
| 16:45.53 | ruskie | maybe adding a check to see if it's really even as well |
| 16:46.45 | RatOmeter | I understand the logic, but it might imply that one or more of the conditionals that should return false is being evaluated incorrectly, perhaps caused by bad/corrupt numbers |
| 16:46.45 | RatOmeter | ruskie, that might do it |
| 16:46.50 | RatOmeter | Hmmm, maybe not quite that simple |
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| 16:47.26 | ruskie | well if you have an idea provide a patch... |
| 16:47.47 | RatOmeter | I will, if I have a *good* idea ;) |
| 16:47.58 | ruskie | well that's not a bad idea.... |
| 16:49.10 | RatOmeter | just adding 'if(largestTeam == smallestTeam) return true; would probably only help obscure the real problem. |
| 16:49.27 | RatOmeter | anyway, I'll shut up until I've have more |
| 16:49.38 | ruskie | hmm it acctually has that check in |
| 16:49.47 | ruskie | if (smallestTeam == 10000 || largestTeam == smallestTeam) //equal, or server has no team tanks |
| 16:49.57 | ruskie | which returns true |
| 16:50.33 | RatOmeter | ah, yes. that's weird, because I've seen it say "uneven" when it was 5:5 |
| 16:51.15 | BearPerson | exactly |
| 16:51.28 | BearPerson | there's just not enough state in the plugin to be able to confuse it |
| 16:51.36 | ruskie | yeah BearPerson already pointed to something in bzfsAPI.cxx |
| 16:51.49 | BearPerson | actually, the bug itself is in PlayerInfo or somesuch |
| 16:51.53 | ruskie | hmm |
| 16:52.07 | BearPerson | wherever the team is stored |
| 16:52.21 | BearPerson | team isn't initialized, so the field is theoreticaly filled with random junk when a new one gets allocated |
| 16:52.23 | RatOmeter | so you think bzfs is handing the plugin bad numbers |
| 16:52.28 | BearPerson | yup |
| 16:52.55 | BearPerson | bzfsAPI checks a player's team without checking first if the player isPlaying at all (i.e. if the team field has been set yet) |
| 16:53.28 | BearPerson | so if you happen to have a quitting player's playerinfo struct get recycled, the new player will count into the old player's team until they sign on |
| 16:53.42 | JeffM2501 | team isn't inited to a default value? |
| 16:53.43 | BearPerson | until they sign on they're not sent to clients, so you never see them on the scoreboard |
| 16:53.48 | BearPerson | well, it is now |
| 16:53.56 | BearPerson | but until yesterday or so it wasn't |
| 16:54.14 | JeffM2501 | so someone fixed it then? |
| 16:54.18 | BearPerson | yup |
| 16:54.46 | JeffM2501 | in head and 2.0.x? |
| 16:54.48 | BearPerson | well, you do have the state (PlayerInLimbo etc) to notice that the team field doesn't actually mean anything, but bzfsAPI wasn't using it |
| 16:55.00 | ruskie | only in head afaik |
| 16:55.02 | BearPerson | in trunk yes, in 2.0 I think not yet |
| 16:55.07 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 16:55.27 | BearPerson | r14112 |
| 16:55.46 | JeffM2501 | as long as it got doned :) |
| 16:56.00 | ruskie | so now we need Pimpi_ to get that fix to the server... |
| 16:56.11 | BearPerson | I guess it would be handy to add the fix to 2.0 too |
| 16:56.30 | BearPerson | which didn't get doned yet ;) |
| 16:57.18 | Erroneous | yeah, I only fixed in head (2.0 is dead to me :) ) |
| 16:57.36 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, youd didn't hook CIA up when you converted libIRC to SVN |
| 16:59.33 | RatOmeter | it seems that Pimpi_ (and anyone else using the plugin) would need to rebuild bzfs and what with the protocol changes in head, it'll be need in 2.0, no? |
| 16:59.52 | RatOmeter | *needed |
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| 17:00.10 | JeffM2501 | what does the plug-in do? |
| 17:00.35 | RatOmeter | enforces fair CTF |
| 17:01.17 | RatOmeter | by tracking a ratio of number of players on opposing teams (and little bit more) |
| 17:01.38 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, what file was it in? |
| 17:01.43 | BearPerson | basically it makes team flags "unusable" whenever team counts are too far off |
| 17:02.31 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, NM, keep forgeting I have dir history :) |
| 17:02.35 | Erroneous | http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag?view=rev&revision=14112 |
| 17:02.41 | Erroneous | :) |
| 17:02.46 | Erroneous | svn is nice |
| 17:03.04 | Erroneous | cia has revision number links too |
| 17:03.21 | JeffM2501 | I was just right clicking on the dir |
| 17:03.24 | JeffM2501 | I was on bzfs |
| 17:03.28 | JeffM2501 | and was gonna go to game |
| 17:04.19 | JeffM2501 | it's so nice to be able to do that |
| 17:05.39 | ruskie | RatOmeter, it seems we're the only ones that atm have any such issue |
| 17:06.09 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14116 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/game/PlayerInfo.cxx: init the team to a valid value ( from trunk rev 14112) |
| 17:06.15 | JeffM2501 | there ya go |
| 17:06.46 | ruskie | Pimpi_, r14116 has the possible fix for the plugin... might want to update to that... |
| 17:08.26 | RatOmeter | wasn't silvercat using (at leas an earlier version of) that plugin too? |
| 17:08.31 | ruskie | possibly |
| 17:08.40 | ruskie | this one has a bit different modifications |
| 17:19.09 | gsnedders | ruskie: what was this you were saying about reloading the plugin helping? |
| 17:19.22 | ruskie | yeah |
| 17:19.26 | ruskie | it does |
| 17:19.28 | ruskie | for a time |
| 17:19.33 | gsnedders | it doesn't, at all. |
| 17:19.36 | gsnedders | I've just tried several times |
| 17:19.50 | ruskie | you did /unloadplugin /usr/lib/fairCTF.so first right ? |
| 17:19.54 | gsnedders | yes |
| 17:19.58 | ruskie | and then /loadplugin /usr/lib/fairCTF.so |
| 17:20.03 | gsnedders | yes |
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| 17:20.04 | *** kick/#bzflag [gsnedders!n=spamBot@pool-71-109-227-134.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] by BZSpamBot (spaming) |
| 17:20.15 | JeffM2501 | grrr |
| 17:20.15 | ruskie | what a crappy bot |
| 17:20.18 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 17:20.21 | JeffM2501 | BZSpamBot, quit |
| 17:20.29 | JeffM2501 | it's not suposed to do that |
| 17:20.35 | JeffM2501 | if the last thing said wasn't by him |
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| 17:20.48 | ruskie | might want to unban as well |
| 17:20.50 | *** mode/#bzflag [-b *!n=gsnedder@host86-139-123-225.range86-139.btcentralplus.com] by JeffM2501 |
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| 17:21.12 | JeffM2501 | and for some reason it looses it's settingd |
| 17:21.12 | JeffM2501 | sorry bout that gsnedders |
| 17:21.12 | ruskie | might be better to use +q and not +b |
| 17:21.18 | JeffM2501 | it's suposed to just kick |
| 17:21.24 | gsnedders | and people sometimes wonder why I dislike bots with ban perms :P |
| 17:21.25 | JeffM2501 | and not ban untill like 3 offenses |
| 17:21.26 | ruskie | so that it only quiets the spammer |
| 17:21.42 | ruskie | gsnedders, and can you confirm it's loaded once with /listplugins |
| 17:21.53 | JeffM2501 | that's just a work around for bad software, better to just fix the software :) |
| 17:23.14 | Erroneous | mmm, canned spam |
| 17:23.21 | JeffM2501 | somone got it :) |
| 17:23.49 | Erroneous | :) |
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| 17:28.20 | TheRedBaron | +hello |
| 17:28.20 | BZSpamBot | hmm... hello is any 1 here, TheRedBaron |
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| 20:24.34 | zee559 | hi? |
| 20:24.34 | Guu | It has been said that hi is jeffm2601 here, zee559 |
| 20:24.53 | zee559 | nwho am i |
| 20:24.58 | zee559 | who am i |
| 20:24.58 | Guu | I guess i is about to say: a large portion of the big ones, zee559 |
| 20:25.08 | zee559 | zee? |
| 20:25.16 | zee559 | who the hell is zee |
| 20:25.17 | blast007 | well that'll be annoying |
| 20:25.29 | blast007 | zee559: that's your nickname currently |
| 20:25.35 | zee559 | zy |
| 20:25.36 | blast007 | if you want to change it, use /nick NewName |
| 20:25.39 | zee559 | y |
| 20:25.49 | zee559 | i mylittlechainsaw |
| 20:25.54 | Winny | i am* |
| 20:26.03 | Winny | or maybe i lost* |
| 20:26.20 | zee559 | :^[0 |
| 20:26.21 | blast007 | why? you apparently didn't enter one before you joined... |
| 20:26.22 | JeffM2501 | guu part |
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| 20:26.49 | Winny | you made him leave too! :o |
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| 20:26.58 | MyLittleChainsaw | much better |
| 20:27.23 | blast007 | could have just typed: /nick MyLittleChainsaw |
| 20:28.00 | MyLittleChainsaw | so the / works here |
| 20:28.08 | Winny | uh? |
| 20:28.14 | blast007 | sure does |
| 20:28.18 | blast007 | ok |
| 20:28.35 | JeffM2501 | you can stop now |
| 20:28.50 | JeffM2501 | did you need some help? |
| 20:28.56 | JeffM2501 | or did you just come here to test out webchat? |
| 20:29.07 | tannerld | ... |
| 20:29.12 | JeffM2501 | yeah realy, stop it |
| 20:29.15 | JeffM2501 | now |
| 20:29.20 | MyLittleChainsaw | ok |
| 20:29.23 | MyLittleChainsaw | ok |
| 20:29.25 | MyLittleChainsaw | jeez |
| 20:29.29 | donny_baker | kick |
| 20:29.31 | donny_baker | :) |
| 20:29.34 | JeffM2501 | I was about to |
| 20:29.34 | MyLittleChainsaw | NO! |
| 20:29.40 | MyLittleChainsaw | noh |
| 20:29.46 | JeffM2501 | MyLittleChainsaw, can we help you? or are you just here to chat? |
| 20:29.48 | Winny | use it sparingly |
| 20:29.51 | MyLittleChainsaw | chat |
| 20:29.55 | JeffM2501 | tannerld, there is no bot |
| 20:29.55 | MyLittleChainsaw | n:) |
| 20:30.02 | JeffM2501 | MyLittleChainsaw, then take it to #bzchat |
| 20:30.03 | MyLittleChainsaw | oh |
| 20:30.10 | MyLittleChainsaw | by the way hello jeff |
| 20:30.10 | tannerld | JeffM2501: ah |
| 20:30.12 | JeffM2501 | this is the development and help channel |
| 20:30.14 | JeffM2501 | hello |
| 20:30.23 | MyLittleChainsaw | oh |
| 20:30.26 | MyLittleChainsaw | really |
| 20:30.29 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 20:30.32 | MyLittleChainsaw | cool |
| 20:30.42 | MyLittleChainsaw | ok well good bye |
| 20:30.56 | JeffM2501 | just type /join #bzchat |
| 20:31.02 | MyLittleChainsaw | cool |
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| 20:54.02 | MyLittleChainsaw | hi how are all of u doin |
| 20:54.14 | *** kick/#bzflag [MyLittleChainsaw!n=JeffM@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501] by JeffM2501 (JeffM2501) |
| 20:54.17 | Winny | JeffM2501, come quickly! |
| 20:54.18 | JeffM2501 | he's done |
| 20:54.18 | Winny | ah |
| 20:54.29 | blast007 | Winny: little late ;) |
| 20:54.59 | tannerld | one second short :\ |
| 20:58.19 | JeffM2501 | and now he's asking how long his "ban" is for |
| 20:58.24 | JeffM2501 | not the brightest camper |
| 20:58.50 | Winny | hehe |
| 20:59.00 | tannerld | heh |
| 20:59.26 | Erroneous | not everyone can be above average :) |
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| 20:59.53 | Winny | "his IQ is negative. He needs to be around others to funtion" |
| 21:00.05 | JeffM2501 | wow our mean |
| 21:00.07 | JeffM2501 | your |
| 21:00.19 | KTL | maybe it's a borg |
| 21:00.48 | JeffM2501 | naw just a kid with no social skills who's way too excited to be talking to people |
| 21:00.51 | Winny | hey, I didn't come up with it ;) |
| 21:01.46 | JeffM2501 | yeah but you chose to go find it and paste it publicly |
| 21:03.07 | Winny | I didn't find it, I remembered it |
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| 21:18.53 | AWOSLappy | I thought that the counter activated by the "Y" key was the lag/ping time (it showed 15ms normally, all the way down to 9ms) |
| 21:19.23 | AWOSLappy | nBut now, while it was reporting 20-some ms, the thing came on and said "[->SERVER] Your lag is too high (324 ms)" |
| 21:19.25 | AWOSLappy | So erm. |
| 21:19.26 | tupone | maybe related |
| 21:19.34 | tupone | but is not |
| 21:19.44 | tupone | is the time to build a screen |
| 21:19.58 | AWOSLappy | ohhhhhh. |
| 21:19.59 | JeffM2501 | we show lag, AND jitter |
| 21:20.11 | JeffM2501 | yeah and frame time :) |
| 21:20.13 | AWOSLappy | see gorguol said jitter too. |
| 21:20.15 | AWOSLappy | what is it? |
| 21:20.20 | AWOSLappy | he said that is why I suck at shooting |
| 21:20.25 | JeffM2501 | jitter is the change in your lag |
| 21:20.32 | AWOSLappy | or maybe it was selly that said that |
| 21:20.40 | AWOSLappy | anyways. |
| 21:20.43 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: ah. |
| 21:20.49 | AWOSLappy | shouldn't that be 0? |
| 21:21.06 | JeffM2501 | optimaly yes it should be |
| 21:21.12 | JeffM2501 | but it often will vary by a couple |
| 21:21.26 | JeffM2501 | if it vary's by a lot it can get bad |
| 21:21.38 | AWOSLappy | so how do I make it show the lag/jitter/frame time/fps and whatever "tri" is all at the same? |
| 21:22.01 | AWOSLappy | it's like tris: 360 |
| 21:22.02 | JeffM2501 | dunno off the top of my head |
| 21:22.04 | AWOSLappy | FPS: 36 |
| 21:22.09 | AWOSLappy | time: 14ms |
| 21:22.15 | JeffM2501 | wow that's a low FPS |
| 21:22.15 | tupone | for lag a jitter you have to ask, but is better to not hask too much, as is a server query |
| 21:22.20 | JeffM2501 | what card do you have? |
| 21:22.38 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: low? that's one of the highest FPSes I've ever acheieved in gaming |
| 21:22.45 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 21:22.52 | tannerld | heh |
| 21:22.54 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: ATI Radeon IGP 340M -- something like a 9400(?) |
| 21:22.54 | JeffM2501 | what video card do you have? |
| 21:23.04 | JeffM2501 | it should be much faster then that |
| 21:23.10 | tannerld | I had 20 FPS in BZFlag before switching to my new computer - played fine for me :P |
| 21:23.10 | JeffM2501 | what drivers? |
| 21:23.21 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: Windows XP, ATI-provided |
| 21:23.27 | JeffM2501 | high res? |
| 21:23.41 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: 1024x768x(32-bit IIRC)x60hz |
| 21:23.53 | JeffM2501 | and the drivers FROM ATI? or the ones that came from MS? or your mobo CD? |
| 21:23.56 | AWOSLappy | with all options set to maximum |
| 21:23.58 | tupone | this game require around 80 FPS to play decently |
| 21:26.06 | JeffM2501 | ahh your at max |
| 21:26.06 | JeffM2501 | yeah lower some stuff down |
| 21:26.07 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: lol, mobo CD? from Compaq? lol |
| 21:26.07 | JeffM2501 | your FPS is adding fake lag |
| 21:26.07 | tupone | unless we decouple network and graphic |
| 21:26.07 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: not Microsoft, I downloaded them *from* HP |
| 21:26.07 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 21:26.07 | JeffM2501 | ahh old drivers |
| 21:26.07 | JeffM2501 | get them from ATI |
| 21:26.07 | JeffM2501 | they will be better |
| 21:26.08 | JeffM2501 | and lower some settings |
| 21:26.08 | JeffM2501 | that should help prevent fake lag and jitter |
| 21:26.08 | AWOSLappy | hold on |
| 21:26.08 | AWOSLappy | I have Cable Internet, 340ms should be a distant memory from dial-up |
| 21:26.08 | JeffM2501 | well thankfully jitter matters less now in trunk |
| 21:26.08 | JeffM2501 | AWOSLappy, that's why I say it's fake lag |
| 21:26.09 | JeffM2501 | the packets sit and wait as we draw |
| 21:26.09 | JeffM2501 | bz is one thread |
| 21:26.12 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: ah |
| 21:26.26 | AWOSLappy | I have...sp27665, lemme trace what that is |
| 21:26.41 | JeffM2501 | ATI has current drivers, just get those |
| 21:26.53 | AWOSLappy | they don't offer drivers |
| 21:26.53 | Chestal | 30 fps is a bit low, but the effect on lag isn't that big |
| 21:27.09 | tupone | effect on jitter ? |
| 21:27.13 | AWOSLappy | because the "RADEON Mobility driver is provided by your hardware manufacturer" |
| 21:27.35 | Chestal | when you have 300ms of latency, your framerate would have to be _very_ low to have a huge impact |
| 21:27.38 | Chestal | <10fps for sure |
| 21:27.50 | JeffM2501 | he could dip that low tho |
| 21:27.51 | AWOSLappy | Chestal: well in Linux with no 3D accel I have 4fps, lol |
| 21:27.56 | JeffM2501 | depending on what's in frame |
| 21:28.03 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: I have seen it hit the high 20s. |
| 21:28.05 | AWOSLappy | I |
| 21:28.06 | JeffM2501 | when your that close |
| 21:28.10 | AWOSLappy | 've also seen 40s |
| 21:28.11 | JeffM2501 | I worry |
| 21:28.30 | Chestal | assuming that the frames are drawn roughly evenly |
| 21:28.44 | Chestal | not like 200fps, then 0 fps alternating |
| 21:28.45 | AWOSLappy | http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareDescription.jsp?lang=en&cc=US&swItem=hb-21505-1 |
| 21:29.07 | Chestal | the frame time is not averaged, is it? |
| 21:29.18 | tupone | not that I know |
| 21:29.27 | AWOSLappy | version 8.003.3-040515a-016016C |
| 21:29.30 | Chestal | fps = 1/frame time except for the averagng? or is something not included in the frame time? |
| 21:29.48 | AWOSLappy | Chestal: it flickers many times per second |
| 21:29.53 | AWOSLappy | 36/35/34/42/26/36/35/35/35/36/37/36/35/35/35 |
| 21:30.00 | AWOSLappy | ^ roughly, like that |
| 21:30.11 | Chestal | fps or the frame time? |
| 21:30.18 | AWOSLappy | FPS |
| 21:30.21 | JeffM2501 | just for that hardware I'd think it would be faster |
| 21:30.23 | tupone | I think only drawing and preparation is there, not network IIRC |
| 21:30.35 | AWOSLappy | frame time is 15/15/13/13/9/9/9/8/16/16/29/15 |
| 21:30.36 | JeffM2501 | my 9200 got more FPS then that at highre res |
| 21:30.48 | Chestal | tupone: might be, but would be strange if that would accoutn for than 1% of the time anyway |
| 21:30.48 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: not sure what it is, as I said. |
| 21:30.53 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: it's an IGP 340M |
| 21:31.08 | JeffM2501 | an IGP not a mobility? |
| 21:31.37 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: both Linux's lspci and Windows' devmgmt both show "IGP 340M" |
| 21:31.47 | Erroneous | IGP 3xx is an R100 series => radeon 7k |
| 21:31.55 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 21:31.55 | Erroneous | not 9k |
| 21:32.03 | JeffM2501 | yeah then your FPS makes sense :) |
| 21:32.06 | JeffM2501 | it's not an X300 |
| 21:32.13 | AWOSLappy | oh |
| 21:32.18 | JeffM2501 | 7ks sucked |
| 21:32.21 | AWOSLappy | I thought IGP 340 meant R300 |
| 21:32.24 | Chestal | tupone: althogh, maybe the frame tiem does not wait for gl sync or whatever it is called, i.e. wait until the actual drawing is done, which might be asynchrounous |
| 21:32.26 | tupone | Chestal, even if you receive a lot of packet? And still, some time I get the message that network stopped elaborating message because too much time has gone |
| 21:32.27 | JeffM2501 | that's gotta be older |
| 21:32.38 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: my newest computer, bought Mar 2003 |
| 21:32.48 | AWOSLappy | I'm absolutely starving for a new computer |
| 21:32.48 | JeffM2501 | that's old |
| 21:32.57 | JeffM2501 | it a desktop? |
| 21:32.59 | AWOSLappy | but saving the $$$ to get a nice one for about $1K |
| 21:33.03 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: laptop |
| 21:33.08 | Erroneous | and iirc, the 3xx were one of the weakest 7ks (single pipeline, no t&l) |
| 21:33.11 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: Compaq Presario 2100US notebook |
| 21:33.13 | JeffM2501 | 699 got me a new one :) |
| 21:33.43 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: normally, before the "Money Crisis of 2004", I bought one computer every year |
| 21:33.53 | AWOSLappy | and spent about $1K each time |
| 21:33.58 | AWOSLappy | the absolute newest hardware |
| 21:34.17 | AWOSLappy | one year break-in time = the second-to-newest is the primary, while the newest is being "broken in" |
| 21:34.33 | AWOSLappy | after the "Money Crisis of 2004", well, I have no new computers :/ |
| 21:35.08 | JeffM2501 | using laptops as mains is hard on the pocketbook |
| 21:35.26 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: yeah, but it's my only post-2000 computer |
| 21:35.37 | AWOSLappy | because of the "Grandpa died and I don't care about computers right now" of 2001 |
| 21:36.07 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: hard on the pocketbook? why? |
| 21:36.13 | AWOSLappy | doesn't use that much energy |
| 21:36.17 | AWOSLappy | 75W max |
| 21:36.27 | JeffM2501 | you can't upgrade them |
| 21:36.34 | JeffM2501 | so to keep current you replace them |
| 21:36.35 | AWOSLappy | it's like a big lightbulb with a keyboard and TFT :P |
| 21:36.41 | JeffM2501 | with a destkop you can upgrade just parts |
| 21:36.50 | JeffM2501 | it's cheaper |
| 21:36.55 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: yes, I know that -- I took the laptop apart looking for a processor socket :/ |
| 21:37.05 | JeffM2501 | some let you |
| 21:37.10 | JeffM2501 | but like mobo's and video cards |
| 21:37.13 | JeffM2501 | you can't replace thos |
| 21:37.15 | AWOSLappy | my 1996 LTE 5150 has a CPU |
| 21:37.20 | AWOSLappy | this one doesn't have a socket :/ |
| 21:37.22 | JeffM2501 | often a good upgrade is just a new video card |
| 21:37.29 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: it has that freaky PCI thingy |
| 21:37.34 | AWOSLappy | MiniPCI |
| 21:37.38 | JeffM2501 | that usualy isn't for video |
| 21:37.42 | JeffM2501 | that's often networking |
| 21:37.43 | AWOSLappy | yeah I know :/ |
| 21:37.45 | AWOSLappy | wireless |
| 21:37.51 | JeffM2501 | so they are disposable |
| 21:37.53 | AWOSLappy | okay don't laugh... |
| 21:38.05 | Winny | too late ;) |
| 21:38.15 | AWOSLappy | I have a Pentium II / 450MHz board with an AGP socket. how do I determine what AGP rating it is? (2x? 4x?) |
| 21:38.24 | AWOSLappy | that would be cheaper to upgrade |
| 21:38.33 | JeffM2501 | most cards will downclock |
| 21:38.35 | AWOSLappy | socket 1s go up to like 1000MHz |
| 21:38.56 | JeffM2501 | be cheaper to probalby just get a new mobo and CPU |
| 21:38.57 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: yeah but why spend money for a 4x when it will only run at 2x? |
| 21:39.08 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: as I said, it's all planned out -- and over $1k |
| 21:39.09 | JeffM2501 | cus you won't be able to find slower cards |
| 21:39.11 | JeffM2501 | they will cost more |
| 21:39.22 | JeffM2501 | you are going to spend cash on an AGP system? |
| 21:39.25 | JeffM2501 | that's pointless |
| 21:39.34 | JeffM2501 | AGP is dead |
| 21:39.39 | AWOSLappy | why -- one of the mobos I was looking at on Newegg still have AGP 8x |
| 21:40.01 | JeffM2501 | PCI-E cards should be cheaper |
| 21:40.19 | AWOSLappy | I don't understand why all you people don't like my Pentium IIs. they were leet when they came out. :-( |
| 21:40.29 | JeffM2501 | noone ever said anything about your P2 |
| 21:40.33 | JeffM2501 | I said somethign about AGP |
| 21:40.37 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: ohhhh. |
| 21:40.41 | AWOSLappy | yeah AGP has always sucked. |
| 21:40.51 | JeffM2501 | youjust want us to hate it so you can justify geting a new machine. |
| 21:40.52 | AWOSLappy | and none of my mobos have support for it except the one |
| 21:40.57 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: no. |
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| 21:49.16 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: I don't want you to hate it. I really want to get the computer. I am really discouraged by the fact that I can't. |
| 21:49.32 | AWOSLappy | It really pisses me off. I want to play new games and have new experiences and do new things. |
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| 21:49.39 | AWOSLappy | and I can't because of my stupid radeon 7000 :/ |
| 21:49.51 | JeffM2501 | for a grand, you'll get low midrange |
| 21:50.06 | AWOSLappy | :O |
| 21:50.21 | AWOSLappy | it was over a grand |
| 21:50.28 | AWOSLappy | and it was just plain *mid* range |
| 21:50.38 | AWOSLappy | not sucky, but not $10K |
| 21:51.03 | JeffM2501 | what video card? |
| 21:51.57 | AWOSLappy | http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/wishlist/PublicWishDetail.asp?WishListNumber=4586991 |
| 21:52.00 | JeffM2501 | tho intel did lower proces that should help |
| 21:52.08 | AWOSLappy | http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16814133193 |
| 21:52.32 | JeffM2501 | ahh a gts not too bad |
| 21:52.37 | JeffM2501 | I'd have gone with more ram |
| 21:53.01 | AWOSLappy | I made this list almost a month ago |
| 21:53.07 | AWOSLappy | and #hardware said "ooh shiney card!" |
| 21:53.14 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's a good card |
| 21:53.26 | JeffM2501 | most modern games will choke on the ram I fear |
| 21:53.46 | JeffM2501 | 2 gigs should be the starting point |
| 21:53.54 | AWOSLappy | I was gonna go for an AGP 8x with 128MB RAM |
| 21:54.06 | AWOSLappy | this PCI-e 16x with 320MB RAM is nice |
| 21:54.15 | JeffM2501 | I mean system ream |
| 21:54.18 | JeffM2501 | not video ram |
| 21:54.22 | AWOSLappy | ohhhhhhh |
| 21:54.37 | AWOSLappy | I thought you meant vram :P |
| 21:54.44 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:54.46 | AWOSLappy | so the video card is bzflag-admin-approved? |
| 21:54.52 | JeffM2501 | I've never used one |
| 21:54.55 | AWOSLappy | :/ |
| 21:54.56 | JeffM2501 | but yeah should be fine |
| 21:54.57 | AWOSLappy | the specs |
| 21:55.04 | JeffM2501 | that's overkill for BZ in every way :) |
| 21:55.08 | AWOSLappy | w00t! |
| 21:55.46 | Erroneous | inded |
| 21:55.46 | JeffM2501 | you were talking about modern real games |
| 21:55.46 | Erroneous | s/e/ee/ |
| 21:55.46 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: well I don't really play many games because of the hardware I have |
| 21:55.47 | AWOSLappy | I have no clue what modern games are. |
| 21:56.05 | JeffM2501 | you get 2-3 gigs in that and it'll run most stuff decently |
| 21:56.32 | JeffM2501 | better then decent if your at a low res |
| 21:56.46 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: it has 2GB |
| 21:56.55 | JeffM2501 | it only showed a gig |
| 21:57.00 | AWOSLappy | Patriot 1GB 240-pin ... Qty: 2 |
| 21:57.06 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 21:57.08 | AWOSLappy | :D |
| 21:57.17 | JeffM2501 | then there ya go |
| 21:57.45 | Winny | bah, 1 gig was unheard of when I bought my machine :p |
| 21:58.01 | JeffM2501 | good thing it's not last year then :) |
| 22:00.28 | JeffM2501 | one of these days I'll need to get a new video cards |
| 22:01.08 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: whatcha got? |
| 22:01.15 | JeffM2501 | 7800GTX |
| 22:03.23 | JeffM2501 | I just don't feel like blowing 600$ on a new card right now |
| 22:05.36 | AWOSLappy | $600? |
| 22:05.48 | AWOSLappy | my $289 is overkill according to you |
| 22:05.49 | JeffM2501 | 8800 GTX |
| 22:05.57 | JeffM2501 | you assume I play bzflag ;) |
| 22:06.01 | AWOSLappy | lol |
| 22:06.15 | AWOSLappy | I want to play games. |
| 22:06.34 | AWOSLappy | I just hate the "go shoot people" thing. at least with bzflag there is no blood or disgusting thing. |
| 22:06.41 | AWOSLappy | you just shoot a tank, the guy inside is fine. |
| 22:06.57 | JeffM2501 | there is more to games then shooters |
| 22:07.13 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: that's my almost-5-year-quest, and I've found nothing :/ |
| 22:07.31 | JeffM2501 | then you must not look hard |
| 22:07.33 | JeffM2501 | RPGs |
| 22:07.38 | JeffM2501 | RTSs |
| 22:07.45 | JeffM2501 | TBSs |
| 22:07.47 | AWOSLappy | RTS = real-time shooter... |
| 22:07.50 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 22:07.53 | AWOSLappy | ? |
| 22:07.54 | JeffM2501 | Real Time Strategy |
| 22:07.57 | AWOSLappy | ooh! |
| 22:08.03 | AWOSLappy | is bzFlag an RTS then? |
| 22:08.06 | JeffM2501 | how could you have a non real time shooter? |
| 22:08.08 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 22:08.47 | JeffM2501 | it's a FPS |
| 22:08.48 | tannerld | lol |
| 22:08.48 | JeffM2501 | in an RTS your more then just "you" |
| 22:08.48 | JeffM2501 | you command a group/army |
| 22:08.55 | AWOSLappy | FPS = frames per second...? |
| 22:09.00 | JeffM2501 | First Person Shooter |
| 22:09.02 | tannerld | first person shooter |
| 22:09.11 | AWOSLappy | but erm, we're not shooting people. |
| 22:09.18 | JeffM2501 | so |
| 22:09.21 | JeffM2501 | your in the first person |
| 22:09.22 | AWOSLappy | it would be a fts |
| 22:09.25 | AWOSLappy | first tank shooter |
| 22:09.28 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 22:09.36 | JeffM2501 | first person means your view is from your avatar |
| 22:09.45 | AWOSLappy | ohhhhhhhhh |
| 22:09.45 | JeffM2501 | your view is from what you controll |
| 22:09.58 | AWOSLappy | I see. |
| 22:10.05 | tannerld | heh |
| 22:10.08 | JeffM2501 | it's a literary term |
| 22:10.13 | JeffM2501 | that got adapted to games |
| 22:10.22 | JeffM2501 | its' first person cus YOU are the main character |
| 22:10.39 | AWOSLappy | the only RPG I've seen that isn't a FPS is the Agatha Christie series, it looks neat but requires more than I have :/ |
| 22:10.48 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: ooooooooooh. first-person........I got it!!!! |
| 22:10.57 | JeffM2501 | agatha crhistie? |
| 22:11.11 | JeffM2501 | there are tons of RPGs out there |
| 22:11.19 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: yeah, you get to solve crimes |
| 22:11.26 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: oh wait, there is Traitor's Gate. |
| 22:11.32 | JeffM2501 | might and magic |
| 22:11.33 | AWOSLappy | I've got that, I'll bet it'd work on this one. |
| 22:11.40 | JeffM2501 | there are tons of old ones |
| 22:13.12 | JeffM2501 | tho tehincaly my goal is to make bzflag run like crap on old hardware :) |
| 22:13.22 | AWOSLappy | I want a game where you drive a car, but you don't have to steal it |
| 22:13.33 | JeffM2501 | there are a lot of those |
| 22:13.33 | AWOSLappy | NFS: Hot Pursuit was cool |
| 22:13.47 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: you meanie!!!! :P |
| 22:14.16 | JeffM2501 | no, I jsut want the game to expand :) |
| 22:15.20 | AWOSLappy | Htm. |
| 22:15.23 | AWOSLappy | That might be fun. |
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| 22:20.29 | AWOSDev4850 | Hello from my 686/300! |
| 22:24.09 | AWOSDev4850 | yay |
| 22:24.18 | AWOSDev4850 | Processor: Intel Pentium II, MMX |
| 22:24.21 | AWOSDev4850 | Memory: 320MB RAM |
| 22:24.35 | AWOSDev4850 | Display: ATI 3D RAGE PRO (English) |
| 22:24.41 | AWOSDev4850 | Approx. Total Memory: 4MB RAM |
| 22:24.52 | AWOSDev4850 | Direct3D Acceleration Enabled. |
| 22:25.02 | Winny | AWOSDev keeps getting better and better every day ;) |
| 22:25.12 | AWOSDev4850 | Winny: lol :) |
| 22:25.18 | Winny | 2100, and now this! |
| 22:25.23 | AWOSDev4850 | wait until I get my K6-2 out |
| 22:25.29 | AWOSDev4850 | it's gonna be 7360! |
| 22:26.53 | TD-Linux | wait... is that number bogomips? |
| 22:27.02 | AWOSDev4850 | TD-Linux: lol, no |
| 22:27.09 | AWOSDev4850 | 2100 = my laptop (Presario 2100) |
| 22:27.17 | AWOSDev4850 | 4850 = my Pentium II (Presario 4850) |
| 22:27.25 | TD-Linux | :P |
| 22:27.25 | AWOSDev4850 | 7360 = my K6-2 (Presario 7360) |
| 22:27.26 | ruskie | lol |
| 22:27.35 | AWOSDev4850 | :) |
| 22:27.39 | ruskie | gotta love $random vendor numbers that have NO MEANINING at all ;) |
| 22:27.44 | AWOSDev4850 | ruskie: lol, yep |
| 22:27.53 | AWOSDev4850 | well, 4800 series was Pentium II |
| 22:27.59 | AWOSDev4850 | 4700 series was Pentium |
| 22:28.07 | AWOSDev4850 | then again, so was the 2100 series... |
| 22:28.09 | ruskie | does it look like I care ;) |
| 22:28.15 | TD-Linux | why not just series 47? |
| 22:28.22 | AWOSDev4850 | and the 2100 I have is from 2003 and has a Celeron 1.6GHz |
| 22:28.26 | TD-Linux | maybe 47 sounds like too high of a number |
| 22:28.27 | AWOSDev4850 | TD-Linux: lol |
| 22:28.34 | TD-Linux | 4700 loses all meaning. |
| 22:28.42 | TD-Linux | and doesn't imply it's the 47th series |
| 22:28.45 | AWOSDev4850 | TD-Linux: lol |
| 22:28.54 | AWOSDev4850 | I liked the naming scheme of the early 90s |
| 22:29.01 | AWOSDev4850 | ProLinea 4/50 <-- 486 / 50MHz |
| 22:29.05 | AWOSDev4850 | easy to spot the specs |
| 22:29.17 | TD-Linux | hmm |
| 22:29.17 | AWOSDev4850 | this one would be a Presario 6/300 |
| 22:29.19 | TD-Linux | I was born in the early 90s |
| 22:29.23 | AWOSDev4850 | TD-Linux: lol |
| 22:29.55 | AWOSDev4850 | okay now |
| 22:30.01 | CBG` | aww, look at teh little baby |
| 22:30.13 | AWOSDev4850 | it said I need OpenGL accel? |
| 22:30.24 | AWOSDev4850 | :O |
| 22:30.25 | AWOSDev4850 | omg |
| 22:30.32 | AWOSDev4850 | please tell me this is a stale April Fool's joke |
| 22:30.41 | AWOSDev4850 | ATI is now... AMD Graphics |
| 22:30.42 | AWOSDev4850 | !? |
| 22:30.45 | AWOSDev4850 | zomgwtfbbq |
| 22:31.27 | AWOSDev4850 | that means they prolly won't have the drivers for a 3D RAGE PRO |
| 22:31.28 | Winny | you didn't know.. |
| 22:31.43 | ruskie | erm |
| 22:31.43 | AWOSDev4850 | :O |
| 22:31.46 | AWOSDev4850 | they do!!!! |
| 22:31.47 | AWOSDev4850 | yay |
| 22:31.50 | AWOSDev4850 | :D |
| 22:32.26 | AWOSDev4850 | Winny: no. well I heard rumours, but I mean, I didn't think they were that stupid |
| 22:32.34 | AWOSDev4850 | this is gonna be like Compaq --> HP |
| 22:32.40 | AWOSDev4850 | now Compaq sucks |
| 22:32.48 | AWOSDev4850 | because they aren't Compaq they are HP |
| 22:32.51 | Winny | All prebuilt computer such |
| 22:33.01 | Winny | with thier 2+gb of "trail programs" |
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| 22:33.04 | TD-Linux | but ATI was never good in the first place... |
| 22:33.09 | AWOSDev4850 | Winny: my Compaq ProLinea 4/50 can kick your butt! |
| 22:33.12 | AWOSDev4850 | And I can say butt over IRC! |
| 22:33.15 | AWOSDev4850 | BUTT!!!! |
| 22:33.20 | Winny | no it won't |
| 22:33.40 | AWOSDev4850 | btw, why does bzFlag censor that? |
| 22:33.55 | TD-Linux | it does? |
| 22:34.08 | AWOSDev4850 | go type butt into bzFlag |
| 22:34.12 | AWOSDev4850 | it comes up as #$%^ |
| 22:34.19 | TD-Linux | even with censor filter off??? |
| 22:34.19 | Winny | thats the servers choice |
| 22:34.20 | CBG` | depends on the server... |
| 22:34.35 | AWOSDev4850 | oh. |
| 22:34.36 | AWOSDev4850 | didn't know that |
| 22:34.40 | tannerld | :) |
| 22:34.42 | AWOSDev4850 | bzf.bzflag.org : 5155 |
| 22:34.48 | Winny | not again :p |
| 22:34.53 | TD-Linux | there's a word list, in fact. |
| 22:35.38 | CBG` | a list full of swears in case ya mind goes blank when ya raving mad |
| 22:36.15 | tannerld | in several languages. |
| 22:36.28 | CBG` | indeed |
| 22:36.52 | AWOSDev4850 | I don't understand why I have to go through this bloody windows verification tingy939Q34S5 |
| 22:36.54 | AWOSDev4850 | *thingy |
| 22:36.58 | AWOSDev4850 | I have Windows 98. |
| 22:37.02 | AWOSDev4850 | Do they even care? |
| 22:37.05 | Winny | windows 98?! |
| 22:37.16 | Winny | dear lord man, get yourself a newer OS |
| 22:37.51 | AWOSDev4850 | <AWOSDev4850> Processor: Intel Pentium II, MMX |
| 22:37.51 | AWOSDev4850 | <AWOSDev4850> Memory: 320MB RAM |
| 22:37.51 | AWOSDev4850 | <AWOSDev4850> Display: ATI 3D RAGE PRO (English) |
| 22:37.51 | AWOSDev4850 | <AWOSDev4850> Approx. Total Memory: 4MB RAM |
| 22:37.58 | Winny | oh :p |
| 22:38.04 | AWOSDev4850 | 300MHz != Windows 2000 ready |
| 22:38.11 | Winny | I thought you meant your normal computer |
| 22:38.14 | Winny | I SHOuld read more |
| 22:38.14 | tannerld | lol |
| 22:38.16 | AWOSDev4850 | I have run Windows 2000 Server on here, but the GUI was miserable |
| 22:38.28 | AWOSDev4850 | Winny: lol, the normal one has Windows XP Pro |
| 22:38.34 | AWOSDev4850 | and dual-boots with Linux 2.6 |
| 22:39.20 | AWOSDev4850 | Oooh! |
| 22:39.24 | AWOSDev4850 | I get DirectX 9.0c! |
| 22:39.41 | AWOSDev4850 | didn't realise 9.0c would run on 98 |
| 22:40.07 | AWOSDev4850 | and you didn't see the numbers. |
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| 22:41.26 | Winny | haha, Im reading through the manual on my parents computer, they're trying to make trial software sound cool |
| 22:41.51 | Winny | "this compaq computer comes with over 2gb of compaq certified bonus software" |
| 22:42.01 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v Erroneous] by ChanServ |
| 22:42.02 | ruskie | lol |
| 22:42.22 | AWOSDev4850 | Winny: lol |
| 22:42.57 | tannerld | lol |
| 22:43.24 | KTL | mmm it is, i remember all those cd's: nero burning rom, some program to print labels/stickers, some audio programs iirc |
| 22:43.35 | AWOSDev4850 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing_Group |
| 22:43.39 | AWOSDev4850 | ^^^ see inchy? |
| 22:43.43 | AWOSDev4850 | sry wrong channel |
| 22:43.46 | Winny | wrong window? |
| 22:43.47 | ruskie | lol |
| 22:45.26 | Winny | meh. Ill just install a fresh cpoy of XP |
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| 22:48.09 | TD-Linux | ruskie's solution is the simplest :) |
| 22:48.14 | TD-Linux | I like Brazil. |
| 22:48.44 | TD-Linux | Microsoft threatens to sue them because like 50% of software is pirated, so they simply ditch Microsoft completely :) |
| 22:48.50 | ruskie | :) |
| 22:49.00 | ruskie | I hope EU does some more finning of M$ |
| 22:50.44 | AWOSDev4850 | Trusted computing compared to the movie "1984" --> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html |
| 22:50.47 | AWOSDev4850 | scary. |
| 22:52.19 | Winny | Dear lord |
| 22:52.32 | Winny | we are gathered here today to mourn the passing of AWOSDev |
| 22:53.24 | KTL | ... does a pentium 2 reboot take that long ... |
| 22:53.30 | ruskie | lol |
| 22:53.35 | AWOSLappy | roflmao |
| 22:53.43 | tannerld | depends how long it takes the user to login :P |
| 22:53.44 | AWOSLappy | Winny: am I dead? why? |
| 22:53.51 | Winny | he is reborn! |
| 22:53.58 | AWOSLappy | KTL: yes, I installed DX9 so it is "updating configuration files" |
| 22:53.59 | tannerld | as a laptop...joy... |
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| 22:55.50 | AWOSLappy | tannerld: lolololol |
| 22:55.59 | tannerld | :) |
| 22:56.12 | AWOSLappy | it just got done rebooting, ready for me to open IRC |
| 22:58.50 | AWOSLappy | okay |
| 22:58.50 | AWOSLappy | it |
| 22:58.52 | AWOSLappy | is rebooting |
| 22:58.55 | AWOSLappy | *now*! |
| 22:59.06 | AWOSLappy | OH TEH NOES |
| 22:59.17 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, I think connect is returnin an error |
| 22:59.30 | AWOSLappy | SETUP caused an invalid page fault in module SETUP.EXE at 0167:.... |
| 22:59.32 | Erroneous | fun |
| 22:59.34 | JeffM2501 | what's it' suposed to return if it works in the blocking case? |
| 22:59.53 | JeffM2501 | it could be that when I cleand up some code I got the logic backwards |
| 23:00.12 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: EBLOCK? |
| 23:00.30 | AWOSLappy | magic numbers are eeeeeeeeevil |
| 23:00.38 | JeffM2501 | right now we are only doing the receive if |
| 23:00.40 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:00.43 | AWOSLappy | you need #defines in that code |
| 23:00.46 | JeffM2501 | < 0 dosnt' seem right |
| 23:00.48 | Erroneous | connect always returns 0 if successful |
| 23:00.54 | JeffM2501 | hmmm |
| 23:00.55 | AWOSLappy | try != 0 |
| 23:00.58 | Erroneous | negative if failed |
| 23:01.09 | JeffM2501 | AWOSLappy, we have #defs |
| 23:02.02 | JeffM2501 | what does a positive value mean? |
| 23:02.06 | JeffM2501 | or should it never return that? |
| 23:02.10 | Erroneous | should never return positive |
| 23:02.14 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 23:02.18 | JeffM2501 | I think I may know what the issue is |
| 23:02.32 | JeffM2501 | the old code assumed non blocking, and expected the error state |
| 23:02.35 | Erroneous | theoretically it should only return 0 or -1 |
| 23:02.38 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 23:02.46 | BinarySpike | what you guys working on? |
| 23:02.51 | Erroneous | if -1, then errno should be set |
| 23:03.01 | Erroneous | BinarySpike: bzflag...see channel name |
| 23:03.13 | BinarySpike | I meant more specifically |
| 23:03.42 | Erroneous | connection code (where else would we use connect())? |
| 23:04.05 | AWOSLappy | um |
| 23:04.07 | AWOSLappy | what is RTS? |
| 23:04.19 | Erroneous | ~wtf rts |
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| 23:04.24 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v L4m3r] by ChanServ |
| 23:04.24 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14117 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/ServerLink.cxx: log out the connect return value, and don't assume it will always be -1, we are non blocking now so it Can and should return 0 |
| 23:04.27 | Erroneous | silly bot |
| 23:04.28 | ruskie | real time strategy? |
| 23:04.31 | AWOSLappy | it says |
| 23:04.33 | AWOSLappy | " RTS" |
| 23:04.39 | Erroneous | what says? |
| 23:05.02 | Erroneous | could be the regional transit system |
| 23:05.09 | AWOSLappy | "ACCESS_VILATION in TNCLITE System Manager Task (hTask 0xd8590b40)at EIP:0xf Location: 0x7c5008f8" |
| 23:05.14 | JeffM2501 | REALLY Tight Shorts |
| 23:05.20 | Erroneous | heh |
| 23:05.25 | AWOSLappy | ^ some random error message in Win98 |
| 23:05.33 | BinarySpike | rumbling train sound |
| 23:05.34 | AWOSLappy | while I had dxdiag and bzflag install open |
| 23:05.38 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: rofl |
| 23:05.47 | AWOSLappy | BinarySpike: lol, it made a "donk!" |
| 23:05.52 | Erroneous | don't you read the messages the installers give you to close everything else? |
| 23:06.10 | AWOSLappy | Erroneous: dxdiag isn't an "else" |
| 23:06.18 | AWOSLappy | I was just reading the stupid driver info |
| 23:06.19 | Erroneous | tnclite system manager is |
| 23:06.31 | AWOSLappy | ...!? |
| 23:06.43 | Erroneous | it's not a system component, so it shouldn't be running ;) |
| 23:06.43 | AWOSLappy | DOT DOT DOT |
| 23:06.51 | AWOSLappy | Erroneous: hrm. |
| 23:07.01 | AWOSLappy | nothing else is open |
| 23:07.45 | AWOSLappy | um |
| 23:07.45 | AWOSLappy | guys |
| 23:07.48 | AWOSLappy | bzFlag crashed |
| 23:08.05 | Erroneous | and dxdiag is actually an else. if we tried to actually update directx like we probably should, and dxdiag was open, you'd have issues |
| 23:08.33 | JeffM2501 | what do you expect us to do wtih directX other then set the res? |
| 23:08.37 | Erroneous | instead, we just assume that you have a properly working dx7+ install (you do, right?) |
| 23:08.47 | AWOSLappy | Erroneous: DirectX 9.0c |
| 23:08.53 | ruskie | dx should die.... |
| 23:08.57 | ruskie | along with m$ |
| 23:09.01 | AWOSLappy | and it says |
| 23:09.05 | AWOSLappy | contact the program vendor. |
| 23:09.11 | AWOSLappy | Hi, Erroneous! aka program vendor! |
| 23:09.21 | JeffM2501 | thank you for that insightfull comment ruskie it added SOO much to the conversation |
| 23:09.25 | ruskie | you probably want m$ :) |
| 23:09.28 | Erroneous | crash it in a debugger and send us the backtrace |
| 23:09.28 | ruskie | lol |
| 23:09.47 | JeffM2501 | yeah.. lol... yeah |
| 23:09.49 | AWOSLappy | BZFLAG caused an invalid page fault in module ATIO9XAE.DLL at 0167:69010002. |
| 23:09.57 | JeffM2501 | that woudl be your sucky drivers |
| 23:10.07 | AWOSLappy | That you just told me to install over the Internet...!!!! |
| 23:10.08 | Erroneous | that's not bzflag crashing, that's ati's drivers crashing :) |
| 23:10.29 | JeffM2501 | the 9x drivers are probalby not DX9 compatable |
| 23:10.32 | JeffM2501 | I'd go down to 7 |
| 23:10.32 | AWOSLappy | I download the stupid update, it crashes, and you tell me that it's my "sucky" drivers |
| 23:10.34 | JeffM2501 | you don't need 9 |
| 23:10.40 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: it said "REQUIRES DX8.1" |
| 23:10.46 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 23:10.48 | JeffM2501 | then do 8.1 |
| 23:10.49 | AWOSLappy | so I just d/led the one on MS.com |
| 23:10.49 | *** join/#bzflag Epyon (i=xpj123@host99.180.219.81.magma-net.pl) |
| 23:10.56 | AWOSLappy | 8.1... |
| 23:10.57 | Erroneous | downgrading dx is a pretty bad idea in general |
| 23:11.03 | AWOSLappy | can I even uninstall DirectX? |
| 23:11.04 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:11.07 | JeffM2501 | maybe |
| 23:11.19 | BinarySpike | What are you trying to do AWOS? |
| 23:11.31 | Erroneous | g'morning Epyon |
| 23:11.34 | JeffM2501 | something silly |
| 23:11.44 | AWOSLappy | BinarySpike: run bzFlag on my Pentium II |
| 23:11.47 | Epyon | mornin' Erroneous :) |
| 23:11.53 | AWOSLappy | BinarySpike: genuine ATI 3D RAGE PRO |
| 23:11.57 | AWOSLappy | mach64 DAC |
| 23:12.03 | AWOSLappy | 4.0MB VRAM |
| 23:12.10 | blast007 | have fun with that |
| 23:12.14 | JeffM2501 | curl will have issues on 9x |
| 23:12.24 | BinarySpike | yup that's just a little lower than the card I ran on |
| 23:12.26 | Erroneous | 4mb is not enough |
| 23:12.28 | BinarySpike | ATI Rage 123 Pro |
| 23:12.32 | Erroneous | didn't you read the readme? |
| 23:12.36 | BinarySpike | I think that one had 8mb not sure |
| 23:12.38 | AWOSLappy | Erroneous: no... |
| 23:12.44 | AWOSLappy | I read the Wiki. |
| 23:12.47 | Erroneous | we require 12mb just to start on windows |
| 23:12.48 | AWOSLappy | It said Windows 95 or higher. |
| 23:13.01 | BinarySpike | hmm then it probably had 16 |
| 23:13.04 | AWOSLappy | what idiot runs 12MB VRAM on freaking Windows 95!? |
| 23:14.07 | Erroneous | BinarySpike: if your drivers are decent we can deal with less by swapping textures into system memory |
| 23:14.07 | Erroneous | slow as all hell though |
| 23:14.18 | Erroneous | AWOSLappy: what idiot runs windows 95? |
| 23:14.29 | BinarySpike | Erroneous, my dad has a laptop that runs 3.1 |
| 23:14.35 | AWOSLappy | ~lart Erroneous for calling AWOSLappy an idiot |
| 23:14.36 | ibot | whacks Erroneous with a giant beaver's tail for calling AWOSLappy an idiot |
| 23:14.53 | BinarySpike | ~lart BinarySpike just for fun |
| 23:14.53 | ibot | pours gasoline all over BinarySpike just, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze for fun |
| 23:15.10 | AWOSLappy | BinarySpike: I still have a 486 that runs 3.11 |
| 23:15.17 | AWOSLappy | BinarySpike: and an 8088 with MINIX |
| 23:15.29 | BinarySpike | anybody know of a VNC that works win2k to winxp? |
| 23:15.33 | Erroneous | at least 3.1 didn't claim to be a 32-bit preemptively multitasked system ;) |
| 23:16.15 | AWOSLappy | Erroneous: lol |
| 23:16.49 | BinarySpike | and can flash run through VNC fine? |
| 23:16.53 | BinarySpike | I need to beat a flash game for my friend |
| 23:17.02 | JeffM2501 | bzflag does not run in flash |
| 23:17.17 | BinarySpike | I'm not gonna play bzflag... |
| 23:17.18 | Erroneous | BinarySpike: use rdp |
| 23:17.25 | BinarySpike | Thanks |
| 23:17.33 | JeffM2501 | any nixies want to build current and try to connect? |
| 23:17.42 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: ooh me |
| 23:17.57 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: I'll reboot my laptop with the "sucky" Radeon 7xxx and try it |
| 23:18.07 | KTL | vnc is no good for something that moves so fast i think, because it sends pixelvalues |
| 23:18.08 | JeffM2501 | you have code fro 2.1? |
| 23:18.10 | AWOSLappy | a Celeron 1.6GHz and Radeon 7xxx with 64MB VRAM is at least "decent" right |
| 23:18.16 | CBG` | you counting OS X as nix ? |
| 23:18.27 | JeffM2501 | I never said I need decent, I could care less about your specs |
| 23:18.29 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: svn up...not that hard. |
| 23:18.30 | JeffM2501 | OSX is good too |
| 23:18.39 | Erroneous | AWOSLappy: we'll run on that, which is all that really matters |
| 23:18.39 | JeffM2501 | I'd like some of each |
| 23:18.45 | CBG` | hmm, 12:20 am... probably should sleep... :) |
| 23:18.50 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: oh okay, I'll boot up Red Hat 5 on my Pentium II |
| 23:18.57 | AWOSLappy | CBG`: goodnight :) |
| 23:19.08 | Erroneous | good luck getting bz to build on rh5 though |
| 23:19.15 | CBG` | nah, I'll build from svn first AWOSLappy |
| 23:19.31 | *** join/#bzflag Deepa (n=deepa@wrongplanet/deepa) |
| 23:19.37 | JeffM2501 | VM seems to have a geeked tree |
| 23:19.44 | *** part/#bzflag CBG` (n=CBG@about/essy/fan/CBG) |
| 23:19.49 | *** join/#bzflag CBG` (n=CBG@about/essy/fan/CBG) |
| 23:19.49 | *** part/#bzflag CBG` (n=CBG@about/essy/fan/CBG) |
| 23:20.04 | *** join/#bzflag CBG` (n=CBG@about/essy/fan/CBG) |
| 23:20.11 | AWOSLappy | Erroneous: lol, libc6 not good enough? |
| 23:20.33 | Erroneous | love the "question right before I reboot" thing |
| 23:20.49 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:20.49 | BinarySpike | maybe it was rhetorical? |
| 23:21.04 | JeffM2501 | common sense isn't high with kids these days it seems |
| 23:21.35 | BinarySpike | Or you just excpect to much |
| 23:21.50 | JeffM2501 | yeah sorry for expecting common sense |
| 23:22.28 | JeffM2501 | I dunno if that last change will do anything |
| 23:22.36 | CBG` | Gah. JeffM2501 do I need new dev tools or something for SVN ? |
| 23:22.37 | JeffM2501 | but at least it'll log out the sate so we can see it |
| 23:23.06 | BinarySpike | CBG SVN is easy on mac.. |
| 23:23.06 | JeffM2501 | you need SVN for SVN |
| 23:23.06 | JeffM2501 | apple dosn't ship it |
| 23:23.06 | CBG` | Ok |
| 23:23.06 | BinarySpike | The graphical interface is ok |
| 23:23.06 | JeffM2501 | you install it |
| 23:23.07 | BinarySpike | but it has issues |
| 23:23.12 | BinarySpike | at least on 10.3 |
| 23:23.15 | CBG` | googling. thanks |
| 23:23.32 | JeffM2501 | see, he exercised common sense :) |
| 23:23.40 | JeffM2501 | was that too much to expect? |
| 23:23.56 | CBG` | got tiger now, BinarySpike |
| 23:23.58 | CBG` | it's still early ;) |
| 23:24.07 | BinarySpike | Yeah I know but I only tested it on 10.3 |
| 23:24.24 | BinarySpike | I always used command line on 10.2 and 10.4 |
| 23:24.48 | JeffM2501 | actualy he never mentioned graphical interfaces :) |
| 23:24.52 | CBG` | nope |
| 23:24.59 | CBG` | I was trying "SVN" in terminal. |
| 23:25.10 | CBG` | but a GUI is always nice, I guess |
| 23:25.23 | *** join/#bzflag AWOSLappy (n=awilcox@unaffiliated/awosdev) |
| 23:25.31 | AWOSLappy | Hi JeffM2501! |
| 23:27.28 | CBG` | In the readme...: Note that you will need to add /usr/local/bin to either their your account's PATH, or the system level PATH if it has not already been altered for some other application. To modify to the path for all users, modify /etc/profile (for sh, ksh, bash, etc.) or /etc/csh.login (for csh, tcsh, etc). -- Someone wanna help me do this? |
| 23:27.43 | AWOSLappy | CBG`: vim /etc/profile |
| 23:28.00 | CBG` | k |
| 23:28.42 | CBG` | I see PATH="/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin" ... change to: PATH="/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin" ? |
| 23:29.10 | AWOSLappy | CBG`: yes |
| 23:29.16 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: I am svn co'ing right now |
| 23:30.12 | KTL | cool |
| 23:30.13 | ruskie | lol |
| 23:30.15 | AWOSLappy | cool! |
| 23:30.17 | ruskie | sounds fun... |
| 23:30.25 | AWOSLappy | does that mean that you don't care? |
| 23:30.28 | CBG` | pff... still: "-bash: svn: command not found" |
| 23:30.41 | Legoguy | .. |
| 23:30.42 | AWOSLappy | CBG`: apt-get install subversion |
| 23:30.45 | BinarySpike | AWOS he might be one of those lego designers... I know a kid here in town that designs life-size models... |
| 23:30.55 | JeffM2501 | AWOSLappy, I will when you get built in like an hour |
| 23:30.56 | CBG` | don't have apt-get |
| 23:31.20 | BinarySpike | CBG did you install svn in your path? |
| 23:31.32 | CBG` | I ran the .pkg... |
| 23:31.44 | BinarySpike | did you restart your shell? |
| 23:31.47 | AWOSLappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:31.47 | AWOSLappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:31.47 | AWOSLappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:31.47 | AWOSLappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:31.49 | AWOSLappy | ^ run that? |
| 23:31.49 | BinarySpike | aka open a new terminal window |
| 23:32.01 | CBG` | ahhh |
| 23:32.12 | Legoguy | or `rehash’ |
| 23:32.13 | JeffM2501 | AWOSLappy, yeah |
| 23:32.25 | BinarySpike | Thanks Legoguy, I was about to ask that |
| 23:32.25 | CBG` | thanks BinarySpike |
| 23:32.34 | CBG` | it's coming down |
| 23:32.47 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: okay |
| 23:32.53 | BinarySpike | CBG: don't install apt-get ;) |
| 23:33.02 | BinarySpike | I had horrible path problems after I installed fink/apt-get |
| 23:33.12 | CBG` | I had it once, it came with either Fink or MacPorts |
| 23:33.31 | AWOSLappy | CBG`: oh lol forgot you were on Mac :P |
| 23:33.55 | CBG` | and I found it useful, have wished I had it again on a few occassions recently |
| 23:33.57 | CBG` | hehe |
| 23:33.59 | CBG` | np ;) |
| 23:34.01 | CBG` | you can get apt-get for mac, so it was still a valid suggestion |
| 23:34.14 | AWOSLappy | seems to be stuck --> Automatically preparing build ... |
| 23:35.01 | BinarySpike | be patient |
| 23:35.01 | JeffM2501 | AWOSLappy, no, it's just automaticly preparing the build |
| 23:35.13 | AWOSLappy | and there's a sucky app that is sucking my CPU --> 6904 awilcox 25 0 2896 1968 500 R 92.4 0.4 0:04.17 m4 |
| 23:35.26 | CBG` | if it's been saying that for a month, it probably is stuck |
| 23:35.26 | KTL | ~lart process 6904 |
| 23:35.26 | ibot | puts process 6904 through a wood chipper |
| 23:35.30 | CBG` | but give it 5 mins |
| 23:36.20 | BinarySpike | ~lart BinarySpike for using ~lart |
| 23:36.20 | ibot | wallops BinarySpike with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long for using ~lart |
| 23:36.52 | *** join/#bzflag Gracey (n=GF@60-240-216-210.tpgi.com.au) |
| 23:37.08 | BinarySpike | You know, the squeaky wheel is the one that gets the oil. |
| 23:37.13 | CBG` | Why do I get the felling that I should have run something other than "svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag bzflag" ? |
| 23:37.30 | JeffM2501 | CBG`, cus you should hav |
| 23:37.34 | JeffM2501 | 200+ megs |
| 23:37.38 | CBG` | yeah.... |
| 23:37.44 | JeffM2501 | go read the wiki page on it |
| 23:37.47 | JeffM2501 | it has the paths you need |
| 23:37.53 | CBG` | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:38.05 | CBG` | heck, it's probably quicker to let it finish now |
| 23:38.07 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's all code we have |
| 23:38.14 | CBG` | figures |
| 23:38.20 | CBG` | "public folder" ? |
| 23:38.27 | CBG` | this is my own imac, dude... |
| 23:38.35 | BinarySpike | I unzipped 400+ files onto my desktop once |
| 23:38.47 | BinarySpike | I mean public as in, desktop, home, etc. etc. |
| 23:38.55 | CBG` | svn doesn't create a "bzflag" dir like cvs ? |
| 23:39.00 | BinarySpike | idk |
| 23:39.03 | BinarySpike | depends on how you svn |
| 23:39.10 | CBG` | eh |
| 23:39.11 | Erroneous | it does, that's the last parameter in the command you ran |
| 23:39.20 | CBG` | ah, great! :D |
| 23:39.34 | Erroneous | but yeah, really should have tacked on a /trunk to the uri |
| 23:39.38 | CBG` | otherwise my home'd be full o' junk |
| 23:39.44 | CBG` | I got the SVN command from http://sourceforge.net/svn/?group_id=3248 |
| 23:39.50 | CBG` | didn't think to search the wiki |
| 23:39.58 | CBG` | found THAT link above on the bzbb |
| 23:40.06 | CBG` | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=10463 |
| 23:40.33 | *** join/#bzflag Empirical (n=botty@unaffiliated/shorty114) |
| 23:40.34 | CBG` | oh boy. v1_7 ... |
| 23:41.30 | JeffM2501 | CBG`, it' going to get every tag |
| 23:41.33 | JeffM2501 | you want to stop it |
| 23:41.40 | CBG` | how many tags? |
| 23:41.45 | Erroneous | dozens |
| 23:41.46 | JeffM2501 | ALL of them |
| 23:41.49 | CBG` | i'd hate to stop it when it was ALMOST done |
| 23:41.52 | Erroneous | it's not |
| 23:41.57 | *** join/#bzflag a_meteorite (n=a_meteor@unaffiliated/ameteorite/x-000000001) |
| 23:41.57 | JeffM2501 | not at all |
| 23:41.57 | CBG` | ok |
| 23:41.58 | Erroneous | it'll be a couple hours iirc |
| 23:42.05 | JeffM2501 | cus then it'll get every branch after every tag |
| 23:42.18 | Erroneous | though I did trash a bunch of them |
| 23:44.17 | CBG` | rm -rf rocks |
| 23:45.35 | CBG` | so, I want to run something like: "svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag bzflag" correct? |
| 23:45.48 | Erroneous | if you want to check out 2.0 |
| 23:46.33 | CBG` | hmm? |
| 23:46.43 | JeffM2501 | the wili page has links to trunk and branch |
| 23:46.46 | JeffM2501 | wiki |
| 23:46.52 | AWOSLappy | wili lol |
| 23:46.52 | JeffM2501 | the version I'm asking for is trunk |
| 23:46.55 | JeffM2501 | not branch |
| 23:47.04 | CBG` | but it doesn't have the extra "bzflag" on the end... |
| 23:47.15 | CBG` | trunk. ok |
| 23:47.34 | CBG` | that extra bzflag is where svn downloads too, right? |
| 23:47.47 | Erroneous | correct... "svn co source target" |
| 23:48.13 | CBG` | ty |
| 23:48.22 | Erroneous | but "svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag bzflag" and "svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/branches/v2_0branch" will get you exactly the same thing |
| 23:48.41 | CBG` | figures. thanks. |
| 23:48.43 | Erroneous | since only the bzflag module is tagged for v2_0 |
| 23:48.48 | AWOSLappy | my line was |
| 23:49.01 | AWOSLappy | svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag" |
| 23:49.08 | AWOSLappy | put a " at the beginning |
| 23:49.13 | AWOSLappy | that's what I put in BASH |
| 23:49.15 | CBG` | :) |
| 23:49.24 | CBG` | yeah, itsa workin' |
| 23:50.37 | AWOSLappy | CBG`: LO |
| 23:50.39 | AWOSLappy | ere |
| 23:50.41 | AWOSLappy | :P |
| 23:50.50 | AWOSLappy | hrm, that's either how we got :P or LOL |
| 23:51.36 | CBG` | heh |
| 23:52.17 | CBG` | ok, got it all. |
| 23:52.22 | CBG` | the same old deal to build? |
| 23:52.27 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:52.28 | JeffM2501 | ish |
| 23:53.41 | AWOSLappy | checking for ares_init in -lcares... no |
| 23:53.41 | AWOSLappy | configure: WARNING: using an internal c-ares lib. |
| 23:53.44 | AWOSLappy | configure: WARNING: Consider installing an updated library at system level |
| 23:53.44 | AWOSLappy | configure: WARNING: link is http://daniel.haxx.se/projects/c-ares/ |
| 23:53.55 | CBG` | will this do the trick: ./autogen.sh && ./configure --enable-optimized && make ? |
| 23:54.10 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:54.23 | JeffM2501 | tho dunno if you need the optimisations |
| 23:54.32 | JeffM2501 | AWOSLappy, what about it |
| 23:54.37 | Erroneous | we don't have an optimized flag, iirc |
| 23:54.46 | CBG` | Running it. Will report back at a more reasonable time tomorrow... before 1 am ;) |
| 23:54.50 | Erroneous | we do -O2 by default, -O0 in debug |
| 23:54.56 | CBG` | I took those lines from the "README". |
| 23:54.58 | BinarySpike | Cya CBG |
| 23:55.21 | Erroneous | if the readme says to do it, then do it ;) |
| 23:55.25 | CBG` | ;) |
| 23:55.38 | AWOSLappy | Bye CBG` |
| 23:55.41 | AWOSLappy | :) |
| 23:55.45 | BinarySpike | I'm out too |
| 23:55.57 | AWOSLappy | Bye BinarySpike |
| 23:55.59 | AWOSLappy | :) |
| 23:56.03 | CBG` | ciao |
| 23:56.05 | BinarySpike | Bye AWOS |
| 23:56.10 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: what does it mean? |
| 23:56.10 | Winny | Got a quick question |
| 23:56.19 | JeffM2501 | AWOSLappy, exactly what it says |
| 23:56.27 | JeffM2501 | your libCURL was not built with ares |
| 23:56.27 | Winny | my server randomly says "orly" as a server message |
| 23:56.32 | JeffM2501 | and you shoudl look into geting one that is |
| 23:56.34 | KTL | hihi |
| 23:56.36 | Winny | with no name after it |
| 23:56.44 | Erroneous | no, it says it couldn't find ares |
| 23:56.51 | BinarySpike | Winny you running any plugins? |
| 23:56.58 | Erroneous | libcurl may have been built with a static ares |
| 23:57.02 | Winny | BinarySpike: shouldn't be |
| 23:57.09 | *** join/#bzflag tuxd00d (n=tuxinato@128.187.169.195) |
| 23:57.20 | Erroneous | in either case, we can safely use our own |
| 23:57.36 | Erroneous | if your curl has no ares, http operations will block |
| 23:57.41 | Winny | BinarySpike: nope |
| 23:57.46 | Erroneous | on dns lookups |
| 23:57.59 | Erroneous | but if your network is working, that's not a problem |
| 23:58.42 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: Well I got the one that it said to get. |
| 23:58.48 | AWOSLappy | apt-get install libcurl3-dev |
| 23:58.57 | AWOSLappy | Should I have gotten a different one? |
| 23:59.09 | AWOSLappy | Winny: lol, sounds fun |
| 23:59.33 | Erroneous | no, it'll work fine |