| 00:00.37 | brlcad | biggeruniverse: again, the features are meaningless if you're the only one that knows the code |
| 00:00.38 | JeffM2501 | if you don't merge your stuff in, noone else will want to, that's the basic dead |
| 00:00.38 | JeffM2501 | deal |
| 00:00.40 | biggeruniverse | JeffM2501: if I thought it was about me, I would have finished this and started hosting a server of my own. |
| 00:01.10 | JeffM2501 | yeah if we just accept your code, then we are no better off then we are now |
| 00:01.14 | JeffM2501 | worse, cus your IT on the server |
| 00:01.19 | JeffM2501 | at least now a couple people know it |
| 00:01.20 | biggeruniverse | if nothing else, I hope my code causes inspiration |
| 00:01.28 | brlcad | your changes sound (for the most part) like something we'd all probably not argue about having, i.e. mostly all good stuff |
| 00:01.30 | biggeruniverse | I didn't ask to have it accepted |
| 00:01.37 | JeffM2501 | we want it |
| 00:01.41 | JeffM2501 | we just want you to help :) |
| 00:01.49 | biggeruniverse | I asked to have it looked at, you are welcome to reject it, and I'll probably let it die |
| 00:01.57 | JeffM2501 | but if you want to do a powerplant that's beter then nothin |
| 00:02.08 | JeffM2501 | I can look at it when you post it and see what we can pull |
| 00:02.11 | brlcad | biggeruniverse: we're asking you to help us accept it :) |
| 00:02.25 | biggeruniverse | brlcad: that I am more than willing to do :) |
| 00:02.26 | brlcad | we know you're not asking |
| 00:02.51 | brlcad | biggeruniverse: that entails more than throwing a few thousand lines of code over a fence |
| 00:03.02 | biggeruniverse | did I forget to mention the design objective of relay servers? |
| 00:03.16 | biggeruniverse | brlcad: I know. |
| 00:03.17 | JeffM2501 | what is your idea/plan for geting this into the mainline? |
| 00:03.24 | brlcad | even if you gave your cell phone number to answer any questions afterwards.. it'd still be a big steaming pile that nobody will likely touch if it's not incrementally applied |
| 00:03.26 | JeffM2501 | you have a branch, others help, then just a swap? |
| 00:03.34 | biggeruniverse | JeffM2501: yes |
| 00:03.41 | biggeruniverse | JeffM2501: more or less |
| 00:03.42 | JeffM2501 | yeah, that ain't gonna fly |
| 00:03.49 | JeffM2501 | been there done that, it failed |
| 00:04.06 | brlcad | several times |
| 00:04.11 | JeffM2501 | that method basicly means we all have to strugle to get up to speed with YOUR code |
| 00:04.29 | *** part/#bzflag Think_Differentl (n=Think_Di@pool-70-21-57-190.res.east.verizon.net) |
| 00:04.31 | JeffM2501 | and an automatic assumption that your method is beter in every way |
| 00:04.48 | JeffM2501 | when other may have design ideas/ tweaks that may work better |
| 00:04.54 | biggeruniverse | That's fine, but something has to happen. bzfs is simple, but needs to be brought forward in terms of capability and stability |
| 00:05.03 | JeffM2501 | yes we know that |
| 00:05.06 | brlcad | i think the only code pump that has been accepted was bzadmin, and that's because it was an isolated *new* tool that even leveraged existing client code |
| 00:05.17 | JeffM2501 | but this way isn't the only way to get BZFS changed |
| 00:05.27 | biggeruniverse | it's the quickest |
| 00:05.34 | JeffM2501 | that is not always the best |
| 00:05.49 | JeffM2501 | and I think you'll find it won't be |
| 00:05.53 | brlcad | not the quickest in a reliable maintainable fashion |
| 00:05.59 | JeffM2501 | as it will slow down dev later |
| 00:06.03 | JeffM2501 | you just shift the time aournd |
| 00:06.07 | JeffM2501 | and cause a lot of greif |
| 00:06.15 | biggeruniverse | Just look at it. You haven't even seen it yet. If it's crap, there's no need to waste the breath on it. |
| 00:06.23 | JeffM2501 | I'd love to |
| 00:06.33 | JeffM2501 | we are jsut saying we wished you'd have told us you were doing this earier |
| 00:06.35 | trepan | brlcad: incremental commits, crazy talk ;-) |
| 00:06.38 | brlcad | there's no way to tell if it's "crap" via a tarball |
| 00:06.47 | JeffM2501 | as some of us have been duplicatiing your work |
| 00:06.54 | biggeruniverse | good |
| 00:06.59 | biggeruniverse | I like bake-offs |
| 00:07.18 | JeffM2501 | bake off? |
| 00:07.20 | brlcad | trepan: heh |
| 00:07.28 | L4m3r | I think what they're trying to say is that in a group development project like bzflag, massive unilateral changes are BAD |
| 00:07.41 | biggeruniverse | aren't they anyway? |
| 00:07.56 | brlcad | BAD for the group, at least .. the folks that maintain this and have an invested interest |
| 00:08.12 | L4m3r | yes, which means bad for the project as a whole, down the line |
| 00:08.18 | brlcad | indeed |
| 00:08.31 | brlcad | trepan: so what ever happened to that last 200k patch you never applied :) |
| 00:09.22 | trepan | 200k x 6+? ;-) |
| 00:09.29 | brlcad | yeesh |
| 00:09.55 | trepan | shaders, shadowmap, material handler rewrite, multitex, etc... ain't cheap |
| 00:10.27 | trepan | it's still lying around, but I didn't bother keeping it updated with 2.1 |
| 00:10.32 | JeffM2501 | at that point just fork it and con the devs into moving over |
| 00:10.41 | L4m3r | lol |
| 00:10.54 | biggeruniverse | works for me |
| 00:10.56 | ruskie | and try to get the users as well :) |
| 00:11.21 | trepan | or concentrate on making the server authorative first :) |
| 00:11.25 | biggeruniverse | that's easier- they have no invested time in the current code, and only see the sparkly things |
| 00:11.48 | L4m3r | you'd think... but there are still people who play bzflag 1.10 |
| 00:12.37 | brlcad | and at least one core dev has tried the fork route at least a half-dozen times .. *ahem* =) |
| 00:13.18 | brlcad | his insideous plans still come to fruition eventually |
| 00:13.31 | biggeruniverse | see? work in isolation and no one shoots you down ;) |
| 00:13.54 | brlcad | they come to fruition when he puts the changes in incrementally |
| 00:13.58 | ruskie | I wouldn't dare publish any code if I wasn't sure it'll get peer reviewed |
| 00:14.12 | JeffM2501 | biggeruniverse, you were worried somone would shoot you down? |
| 00:14.14 | biggeruniverse | I don't mind looking like an idiot |
| 00:14.17 | biggeruniverse | happens all the time |
| 00:14.20 | JeffM2501 | is that the reason you did it like this? |
| 00:14.23 | trepan | ruskie: more important then peer review: testing |
| 00:14.36 | ruskie | tests miss some stuff |
| 00:14.37 | trepan | peer review is often too lax |
| 00:14.45 | ruskie | both are needed |
| 00:14.46 | brlcad | as is testing :) |
| 00:14.48 | JeffM2501 | I"m actualy more inclined to shoot you down cus you did it all allone. |
| 00:14.56 | biggeruniverse | oh well |
| 00:15.05 | brlcad | :) |
| 00:15.08 | JeffM2501 | but post what you want we'll look at it |
| 00:15.10 | ruskie | but why are we on such a negative chat now? |
| 00:15.17 | brlcad | biggeruniverse: hence my question about "redoing" it incrementally |
| 00:15.18 | CBG | biggeruniverse: I lub ya, even if they don't! |
| 00:15.19 | JeffM2501 | maybe we can do the incremental work for you |
| 00:15.21 | CBG | ~biggeruniverse++ |
| 00:15.31 | biggeruniverse | ~CBG++ |
| 00:15.36 | brlcad | the work sounds great (on, er, paper) |
| 00:15.37 | biggeruniverse | CBG's got my back |
| 00:15.43 | JeffM2501 | then we can get to where you are, then you can work on the mainline server icrementaly |
| 00:15.57 | TD-Linux | biggeruniverse wrote code, that's nothing to whine about :) |
| 00:16.07 | CBG | wow. that sounds dodgy considering it's popular opinion that I'm gay, or at least bi. |
| 00:16.07 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:16.20 | JeffM2501 | I'm just glad you spoke up now before I started working on the state stuff |
| 00:16.26 | biggeruniverse | anyway, what you will most likely find is that the hubbub is for nothing |
| 00:16.38 | JeffM2501 | don't underestimate yourself |
| 00:16.53 | brlcad | nobody is whining, really -- we just want to be able to work with you and get the changes in a maintainable / reviewable manner |
| 00:17.05 | biggeruniverse | no, there's really not enough change that the core devs won't recognize it |
| 00:18.31 | CBG | don't overestimate yourself... then you'd look like an egotistical jerk |
| 00:18.31 | biggeruniverse | But I like dramatic introductions |
| 00:18.31 | biggeruniverse | I'm screwed |
| 00:18.31 | ruskie | such low self-opinion |
| 00:18.31 | biggeruniverse | I have to go somewhere right now. I'll be back later, I'll try to have a zip with me. |
| 00:19.30 | The_Vaxorcist | Jeff, I'm done with my patch |
| 00:19.40 | The_Vaxorcist | did as you asked |
| 00:20.51 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 00:21.25 | The_Vaxorcist | you said you'd bump the protocol, so that's it |
| 00:21.50 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:21.56 | JeffM2501 | I'll look at it at work tomorow |
| 00:22.04 | The_Vaxorcist | ok |
| 00:32.04 | The_Vaxorcist | has there been any talk about using something like cegui for bzflag? |
| 00:32.43 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 00:32.56 | JeffM2501 | goes along with the engine discussions |
| 00:33.12 | brlcad | highly desireable |
| 00:33.23 | The_Vaxorcist | on the wish list, then |
| 00:33.30 | brlcad | depending on the approach |
| 00:33.50 | purple_cow | cegui makes me sad |
| 00:33.55 | JeffM2501 | we'll see where the engine stuff takes us |
| 00:33.56 | purple_cow | but you knew that |
| 00:34.03 | JeffM2501 | every engine has a gui system |
| 00:34.10 | JeffM2501 | some use CEGUI |
| 00:34.11 | JeffM2501 | some don't |
| 00:34.17 | brlcad | picogui for bzflag! |
| 00:34.20 | brlcad | *ahem* |
| 00:35.30 | brlcad | purple_cow: does cegui make you more sad that bz's current gui/widget set limitations/appearance? |
| 00:35.45 | purple_cow | no |
| 00:35.54 | purple_cow | but that's not the point |
| 00:35.58 | brlcad | heh |
| 00:36.07 | brlcad | that will be my point then, though :) |
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| 00:36.13 | purple_cow | if we're moving to something better, we should move to something more than one rung up the ladder |
| 00:36.28 | The_Vaxorcist | what would you suggest? |
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| 00:38.26 | The_Vaxorcist | purple_cow? |
| 00:41.08 | trepan | scripted guis are a nice way to go |
| 00:41.36 | purple_cow | it's been a long time since I really evaluated GUI layers |
| 00:41.52 | JeffM2501 | if we go with an engine for drawing, that limits our GUIs |
| 00:42.03 | JeffM2501 | they are somewhat related |
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| 00:42.54 | purple_cow | my dissatisfaction with CEGUI probably just stems from the fact that I spend most of my days working with GTK+ |
| 00:43.02 | purple_cow | which is a great toolkit |
| 00:44.44 | trepan | brlcad: tried spring? |
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| 00:46.03 | brlcad | just poked through some of the code a couple weeks ago when I was asking about it |
| 00:46.30 | trepan | another useful feature is that the same drawing interface can be used for synced scripts (or in bz's case, scripts sent from the server) |
| 00:46.32 | brlcad | seems really like a nice setup if you put enough effort in to make basic gui operations available |
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| 00:48.03 | trepan | brlcad: could hack the drawing code in BZ pretty quickly |
| 00:48.11 | trepan | s/in/into |
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| 01:08.50 | SportBitch | SportCunt eat shit u fucking slut... |
| 01:08.56 | SportBitch | SportCunt eat shit u fucking slut... |
| 01:08.57 | a_meteorite | ... |
| 01:08.57 | SportBitch | SportCunt eat shit u fucking slut... |
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| 01:14.29 | cosmos | not again |
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| 01:26.15 | JeffM2501 | BZSpamBot, addspam sportcunt |
| 01:26.29 | JeffM2501 | stupid bot |
| 01:26.40 | JBdiGriz | It can't handle that kind of language. |
| 01:27.30 | JeffM2501 | it can't handle a command it seems |
| 01:27.41 | JeffM2501 | I'll have to debug it after I finish these word stats |
| 01:28.39 | brlcad | hmm.. I bet I could tie it into the word filter really easy, and kick off matching metrics |
| 01:30.27 | brlcad | remove the multilinguals, just stick to the straightforward english ones that they seem to enjoy |
| 01:30.39 | JeffM2501 | that's what my bot does |
| 01:30.54 | JeffM2501 | if it has the string, boot |
| 01:31.00 | JeffM2501 | I just need it to not crash :) |
| 01:31.04 | brlcad | it links to the word filter? |
| 01:31.10 | brlcad | or just does a simple string match? |
| 01:32.18 | JeffM2501 | simple |
| 01:32.18 | cosmos | those spamming guys need a good a__ whooping |
| 01:32.21 | JeffM2501 | so far it works |
| 01:35.21 | Winny | guess he got bored again |
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| 01:57.31 | Epyon | ello :) |
| 01:57.39 | a_meteorite | 'ello |
| 01:57.47 | Gracey | Howdy |
| 02:11.22 | lodxcol | ~seen TimRiker |
| 02:11.51 | ibot | timriker <n=timr@pdpc/supporter/bronze/TimRiker> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 2d 4h 51m 29s ago, saying: 'hehe. noplace. I was just reading the logs here. :)'. |
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| 02:15.57 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o BZSpamBot] by JeffM2501 |
| 02:16.14 | JeffM2501 | BZSpamBot, benice |
| 02:16.15 | BZSpamBot | Playing it safe JeffM2501 |
| 02:25.48 | a_meteorite | Epyon: your hand gets more jittery thus you dodge better? |
| 02:27.44 | Epyon | a_meteorite, how did you guess?? |
| 02:28.30 | a_meteorite | Epyon: I guessed... :) And I'm underage and don't drink alcohol |
| 02:29.00 | Epyon | a_meteorite, too bad :( |
| 02:29.06 | Epyon | How old are you? |
| 02:29.08 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 02:29.09 | a_meteorite | 16 |
| 02:29.28 | Epyon | OMG, that's underage even in Poland's law :P |
| 02:29.44 | a_meteorite | it's 21 in the US |
| 02:29.54 | Epyon | Still 16-year-olds dring here a helluvalot anyway. |
| 02:29.59 | Epyon | a_meteorite, I KNOW! |
| 02:30.07 | a_meteorite | though even when I turn 21 I don't think I'll drunk much |
| 02:30.15 | a_meteorite | special occasion thing |
| 02:30.27 | Epyon | a_meteorite, I had this very great dissapointment when I tried to buy a beer in nashville :/ |
| 02:30.33 | lodxcol | I won't drunk much either ;) |
| 02:30.41 | a_meteorite | how old are you? |
| 02:30.59 | Epyon | I was 18 when I was in the US. |
| 02:31.03 | Epyon | Now I'm... |
| 02:31.06 | Epyon | ... |
| 02:31.06 | a_meteorite | that explains it :) |
| 02:31.08 | Epyon | ... |
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| 02:31.14 | a_meteorite | lol |
| 02:31.15 | lodxcol | lol |
| 02:31.24 | JeffM2501 | they all say that. at 22 they are on the top of a table with a bra on there heads |
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| 02:31.39 | Epyon | dammit |
| 02:31.43 | JeffM2501 | don't say the same thing 2x :) |
| 02:31.44 | brlcad | dammit |
| 02:31.51 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: hehe |
| 02:31.51 | brlcad | darn |
| 02:31.53 | Epyon | JeffM2501 lol :P |
| 02:32.10 | Epyon | JeffM2501, how about a whitelist for the spambot? :P |
| 02:32.13 | purple_cow | I can honestly say I've never been on top of a table with a bra on my head |
| 02:32.19 | JeffM2501 | Epyon, it has one |
| 02:32.28 | brlcad | purple_cow: you don't know what you're missing then! |
| 02:32.32 | Epyon | JeffM2501, add me in then -_- |
| 02:32.33 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, they you haven't lived |
| 02:32.33 | a_meteorite | haha |
| 02:32.35 | purple_cow | brlcad: likely |
| 02:32.37 | JeffM2501 | Epyon, no |
| 02:32.44 | Epyon | JeffM2501, why -_- |
| 02:32.47 | JeffM2501 | cus |
| 02:32.54 | Epyon | lol |
| 02:33.02 | Epyon | JeffM2501, I give up :p |
| 02:33.08 | a_meteorite | cuz Jeff said cuz |
| 02:33.31 | SportChick | hehe |
| 02:33.55 | Epyon | *sigh* |
| 02:34.17 | Epyon | JeffM2501-- |
| 02:34.20 | JeffM2501 | how often do you do the same line 2x in a row? |
| 02:34.22 | brlcad | 2's probably a bit harsh, 3 is where it turns spammish |
| 02:34.30 | Epyon | Yep. |
| 02:34.41 | Epyon | :P |
| 02:34.50 | a_meteorite | what happens if you repeat something you said minutes ago? or does it have a timer? |
| 02:34.57 | Epyon | :P |
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| 02:35.00 | JeffM2501 | nope |
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| 02:35.10 | Epyon | it does :P |
| 02:35.13 | JeffM2501 | umm, dude, you don't want to do that again |
| 02:35.26 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, yeah you can now turn of that feature |
| 02:35.34 | a_meteorite | SportChick: it rained here too :) |
| 02:35.51 | brlcad | JeffM2501: huh? |
| 02:36.01 | poolio | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:36.01 | poolio | a |
| 02:36.06 | poolio | just add a space =P |
| 02:36.13 | JeffM2501 | BZSpamBot, setopt repeatcheck false |
| 02:36.13 | BZSpamBot | OK JeffM2501 |
| 02:36.43 | JeffM2501 | only if your ok with not geting paid as well |
| 02:37.00 | Epyon | JeffM2501, I'm not doing it for the money ;] |
| 02:37.02 | JeffM2501 | a ban would be kind of the ultimate "bad evauluation" |
| 02:37.22 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, I made it so it can turn off the repeat check |
| 02:37.38 | Epyon | I'm doing it for future fame and for people. |
| 02:37.44 | brlcad | actually that'd probably be legal action or something, then maybe a kline, then maybe a ban :) |
| 02:37.57 | brlcad | mm.. fame, good a reason as any |
| 02:38.22 | Epyon | brlcad, one that is neccesarry for any striving game developer ;] |
| 02:39.12 | Epyon | brlcad, BTW, I noticed that in the case of BZF I'm a complete traditionalist. |
| 02:42.19 | brlcad | the different servers do attract different personalities |
| 02:42.58 | purple_cow | traditionalist? |
| 02:43.06 | Epyon | seems so :P |
| 02:43.08 | JBdiGriz | hmmm, fame for being a bzflag developer .... |
| 02:43.24 | purple_cow | JBdiGriz: it's like being the world's tallest midget |
| 02:43.27 | Epyon | JBdiGriz, you'd never guess ;] |
| 02:43.28 | JeffM2501 | if WS counts, tim is a god! |
| 02:43.56 | JBdiGriz | purple_cow: Does anyone know you when you go out? |
| 02:44.01 | Epyon | BTW, people, yesterday I managed to set something up, that's going to be a first for BZF :P |
| 02:44.04 | cosmos | now the kids are hitting the hepcat pillbox servers hard again |
| 02:44.11 | cosmos | my firewall ruleset is going to be a mile long |
| 02:44.17 | JeffM2501 | and that is? |
| 02:44.39 | brlcad | purple_cow: that'd be quite an achievement |
| 02:44.55 | Epyon | I convinced my propo to allow me to write a masters thesis on bzflag dev :P |
| 02:45.03 | Epyon | propo=promo |
| 02:45.24 | purple_cow | the men all want to hang out, and the girls are all swooning |
| 02:45.33 | Epyon | lol, brlcad :PPPP |
| 02:45.41 | JeffM2501 | there have been other thesi dealing with bz, AI and net IIRC |
| 02:46.15 | brlcad | papers, not sure about thesis |
| 02:46.30 | biggeruniverse | ok |
| 02:46.35 | biggeruniverse | hi again |
| 02:46.42 | Epyon | JeffM2501, this one's going to be 100% on topic. The idea is that the thesis is going to be a "documentation" on the methods used. |
| 02:46.44 | brlcad | i think there was one net thesis based on bz's networking about two years ago |
| 02:46.58 | biggeruniverse | first, let me apologize for bandwidth limitations... |
| 02:47.29 | brlcad | why apologize, we don't notice :) |
| 02:48.02 | biggeruniverse | you will |
| 02:48.10 | biggeruniverse | http://www.biggeruniverse.com/bzfs.html |
| 02:48.16 | brlcad | Epyon: documentation of what? the development model of our open source group? |
| 02:49.00 | JBdiGriz | If it's a patch, submit it to sourceforge. That way your bandwidth is only the limitation once. |
| 02:49.00 | Epyon | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:49.07 | JeffM2501 | JBdiGriz, it's more then a patch |
| 02:49.09 | JeffM2501 | it's a new bzfs |
| 02:49.17 | JeffM2501 | read the past |
| 02:49.24 | JBdiGriz | I don't think sourceforge is running out of room. |
| 02:49.36 | Epyon | In effect it will be a paper for anyone wanting to develope my model further or to integrate it in another game. |
| 02:49.41 | JeffM2501 | dude it downloaded in like 15 seconds, what are you applogising for? |
| 02:49.49 | Epyon | Of course it will be in english. |
| 02:50.05 | brlcad | Epyon: okay, that's what I'd figured .. just your wording threw me off |
| 02:50.55 | biggeruniverse | well, it's ADSL, so I can't speak for it |
| 02:51.13 | JeffM2501 | don't aplogise till people complain |
| 02:51.18 | JeffM2501 | there is no need to look meek |
| 02:51.28 | JeffM2501 | does it need the rest of the srouces? or build alone? |
| 02:51.41 | biggeruniverse | it will need the rest of the sources |
| 02:51.55 | JeffM2501 | what other libs does it need |
| 02:51.55 | biggeruniverse | but I wasn't going to zip everything |
| 02:51.59 | JeffM2501 | I have to make a project for it |
| 02:52.15 | biggeruniverse | it's in the little page preface |
| 02:52.19 | biggeruniverse | :P |
| 02:52.30 | JeffM2501 | where? |
| 02:52.31 | biggeruniverse | log4c and xml2 |
| 02:52.32 | JeffM2501 | what file? |
| 02:52.38 | biggeruniverse | what? |
| 02:52.46 | biggeruniverse | the page where you downloaded the source! |
| 02:52.51 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 02:52.54 | biggeruniverse | who? |
| 02:53.34 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 02:53.39 | JeffM2501 | yeah can't build it on windows |
| 02:53.41 | JeffM2501 | oh well |
| 02:54.19 | biggeruniverse | I haven't tried that yet |
| 02:54.26 | JeffM2501 | I can tell |
| 02:54.31 | JeffM2501 | no project files |
| 02:54.40 | biggeruniverse | heh |
| 02:54.56 | biggeruniverse | I wasn't going to hand-hack those |
| 02:55.08 | JeffM2501 | log4C is nix only |
| 02:55.46 | biggeruniverse | I hope not, anyway, it didn't work for me after I made some change, so it's commented out |
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| 02:55.55 | JeffM2501 | yeah it is |
| 02:55.58 | JeffM2501 | I read there iste |
| 02:55.59 | JeffM2501 | site |
| 02:56.06 | JeffM2501 | it has nix dependencies |
| 02:56.07 | biggeruniverse | I'd rather come off meek than anything else, btw |
| 02:56.17 | biggeruniverse | they inherit something important, I think |
| 02:56.27 | JeffM2501 | only if you read fiction |
| 02:56.29 | biggeruniverse | although, it will be hot and smell bad now |
| 02:56.49 | JeffM2501 | yeah this is going to be hard to eval |
| 02:56.53 | JeffM2501 | let me see what I can do tho |
| 02:57.18 | biggeruniverse | heh well, I gave some starting files where big changes are |
| 02:58.00 | JeffM2501 | yeah but your making it a huge task, doing it in small stages with is in the tre would have been fine |
| 02:58.01 | brlcad | minor minor critique though |
| 02:58.02 | biggeruniverse | fine with me, that's why it's wrapped |
| 02:58.04 | JeffM2501 | as another app |
| 03:01.53 | JeffM2501 | does it need the same other libs as bzfs ( I mean our libs, like common )? |
| 03:05.15 | JeffM2501 | hmm there also seems to be some conflict with TeamID |
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| 03:05.51 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: you did update your copy of spambot, right? |
| 03:05.59 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 03:06.45 | JeffM2501 | does it build on nix |
| 03:06.47 | DTRemenak | four of the first six commands I tried crashed it, and a fifth caused an infinite loop :) |
| 03:06.51 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, tho I got it from cvs |
| 03:06.53 | JeffM2501 | not svn |
| 03:07.01 | DTRemenak | ah, probably want to update from svn |
| 03:07.10 | DTRemenak | dunno about nix, but it builds on vc8 now |
| 03:07.15 | JeffM2501 | no, not the bot |
| 03:07.20 | JeffM2501 | the bsfs2 |
| 03:07.54 | DTRemenak | huh? |
| 03:08.07 | JeffM2501 | the convo before you spoke |
| 03:08.16 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 03:08.44 | DTRemenak | ahh, powerplant man |
| 03:08.52 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 03:08.55 | JeffM2501 | trying to eval it |
| 03:08.58 | JeffM2501 | but having issues |
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| 03:10.11 | JeffM2501 | oh... it needs a config |
| 03:10.15 | JeffM2501 | that's not good |
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| 03:12.39 | JeffM2501 | biggeruniverse, when your ready to talk about the code, let me know |
| 03:15.55 | biggeruniverse | I am |
| 03:16.11 | biggeruniverse | earfuls |
| 03:16.59 | JeffM2501 | does it need any other files from the old bzfs dir? |
| 03:17.10 | biggeruniverse | no |
| 03:17.16 | biggeruniverse | it compiles on nix |
| 03:17.21 | biggeruniverse | asis |
| 03:17.25 | biggeruniverse | *as-is |
| 03:17.37 | JeffM2501 | it can't find TeamId |
| 03:17.41 | biggeruniverse | hmm |
| 03:17.54 | biggeruniverse | TeamId? |
| 03:18.11 | biggeruniverse | checking |
| 03:18.26 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 03:18.42 | JeffM2501 | GameKeeper.h is my first instance of it |
| 03:18.46 | biggeruniverse | why did I put that there... |
| 03:19.00 | biggeruniverse | typedef uint8_t TeamId |
| 03:19.03 | biggeruniverse | ; |
| 03:19.19 | biggeruniverse | for some reason I put it in Address.h |
| 03:19.37 | biggeruniverse | I guess to be by PlayerId heh |
| 03:20.00 | JeffM2501 | odd |
| 03:20.04 | JeffM2501 | that they'd be in that file |
| 03:20.30 | biggeruniverse | basically team is not identified by color, it gets an id |
| 03:20.49 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 03:20.58 | JeffM2501 | I"m just trying to get it to compile |
| 03:21.10 | biggeruniverse | yeah, I understand |
| 03:21.10 | JeffM2501 | now, will it work with out a config? |
| 03:21.16 | biggeruniverse | hmm |
| 03:21.17 | JeffM2501 | or does it need one? |
| 03:21.27 | biggeruniverse | it should be alriggght |
| 03:21.39 | biggeruniverse | Configuration may complain |
| 03:21.43 | brlcad | biggeruniverse: initial glances is that I like the general direction you've gone with the refactoring, at least looking at how the main run-loop has changed |
| 03:21.46 | biggeruniverse | but it will use default values |
| 03:21.58 | JeffM2501 | actualy it looks like it will fail |
| 03:22.03 | JeffM2501 | in the main |
| 03:22.05 | biggeruniverse | noes |
| 03:22.09 | JeffM2501 | yesss |
| 03:22.10 | brlcad | nothing I see that can't be incremented though too |
| 03:22.16 | JeffM2501 | exit 1 |
| 03:22.17 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 03:22.19 | biggeruniverse | heh |
| 03:22.34 | JeffM2501 | in fact you don't read command line options at all |
| 03:22.51 | biggeruniverse | nope |
| 03:22.57 | biggeruniverse | why have both? |
| 03:23.16 | JeffM2501 | because some like to do it difrently |
| 03:23.22 | JeffM2501 | that breaks the start server |
| 03:23.29 | JeffM2501 | also what is a channel? |
| 03:23.35 | biggeruniverse | the whole point of this server refactor is, of course, to get my random number generator included... |
| 03:23.35 | JeffM2501 | a port to listen on? |
| 03:23.35 | brlcad | several reasons really |
| 03:23.41 | brlcad | testing and debugging purposes too |
| 03:24.26 | biggeruniverse | Channels are for prioritizing messages, and they fit both the idea of "limbo" and Enet's channels |
| 03:24.46 | biggeruniverse | not just, they also setup grouping and rights for messages |
| 03:24.55 | JeffM2501 | enet is a UDP only solution |
| 03:24.56 | biggeruniverse | superChannel listens |
| 03:25.00 | biggeruniverse | I know |
| 03:25.14 | JeffM2501 | rights for mssages? |
| 03:25.18 | JeffM2501 | explain |
| 03:25.21 | biggeruniverse | channels don't care, that's handled by Client implementers |
| 03:25.53 | biggeruniverse | game related messages are only sent on the gameChannel |
| 03:26.07 | JeffM2501 | are there any extra files in this project that are not needed for compile? |
| 03:26.12 | JeffM2501 | like record/replay? |
| 03:26.33 | biggeruniverse | if a client isn't tuned in to that channel, they don't get the message. |
| 03:26.34 | biggeruniverse | they can't tune to the channel unless they are in the group |
| 03:26.55 | biggeruniverse | They aren't yet used, but I believe there are still references to them |
| 03:27.13 | JeffM2501 | recordreplay.cxx will not compile |
| 03:27.16 | JeffM2501 | it wants command line options |
| 03:27.20 | JeffM2501 | and you removed those |
| 03:27.25 | biggeruniverse | hm |
| 03:27.31 | brlcad | i get the idea of channels, not much different than logging categories |
| 03:27.40 | biggeruniverse | ah yes, remove it |
| 03:27.51 | biggeruniverse | right, very similar |
| 03:28.05 | JeffM2501 | many things can't find DEBUG1 -> 4 |
| 03:28.26 | biggeruniverse | that one works fine for me.. |
| 03:28.33 | biggeruniverse | let me check why... |
| 03:30.13 | biggeruniverse | it's in include/common.h |
| 03:30.25 | biggeruniverse | which is always included... |
| 03:31.27 | biggeruniverse | if you do get it to run, remember it's still very buggy |
| 03:33.46 | biggeruniverse | one of the ideas is that one server could handle multiple games by having multiple game states with their own gameChannel, and one "lobby" channel |
| 03:34.10 | JeffM2501 | why not just run more then one instance? |
| 03:34.10 | brlcad | biggeruniverse: we really could spend weeks sorting out all the cross-platform and build system issues across all the platforms.. and several of the features turned off are outright non-starters to remove |
| 03:34.14 | JeffM2501 | is the server threaded? |
| 03:34.32 | brlcad | biggeruniverse: but again, the *general* approach you've taken is very good |
| 03:35.10 | brlcad | if you're willing to work with us with the existing codebase, probably 90% at least of what you've done could be integrated |
| 03:35.13 | brlcad | if not more |
| 03:35.17 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 03:35.22 | biggeruniverse | JeffM2501: no, tho Tasks are the obvious thread wrappers |
| 03:35.38 | biggeruniverse | rather the obvious choice for that |
| 03:35.39 | JeffM2501 | I'm very intereted in this as it direclty affects what I'm working on now |
| 03:35.40 | brlcad | but it'd have to be done incrementally visible to all the devs so we can see the code evolve |
| 03:36.17 | biggeruniverse | brlcad: could go back and re-evolve it, but the size of the steps is hard to gauge |
| 03:36.51 | biggeruniverse | I'd be more than happy to work with you on this |
| 03:37.04 | brlcad | baby steps |
| 03:37.07 | brlcad | the smaller the better |
| 03:37.35 | biggeruniverse | I've been absorbing and distilling a lot of what people have said they would like to see in bzflag, and trying to put that in the codebase |
| 03:39.15 | brlcad | your code shows that you seem to be more than capable of helping out in a big way |
| 03:39.48 | JeffM2501 | do you have any design docs for what you did? or was it all just bust out the code? |
| 03:39.56 | JeffM2501 | any overviews that I could see? |
| 03:40.19 | biggeruniverse | Only notes on paper. I can put that all together tho |
| 03:40.45 | JeffM2501 | that would be a good place to start |
| 03:40.52 | JeffM2501 | then we can all discuss the framework |
| 03:40.55 | JeffM2501 | and understand it |
| 03:41.47 | JeffM2501 | also what was your envisioned timeframe for geting this all done and sorted properly, asuming you had help |
| 03:42.43 | biggeruniverse | I don't envision timeframes for things this big :) It took many many years the first time ;) |
| 03:43.00 | brlcad | at least your timeframes are realistic |
| 03:43.07 | biggeruniverse | heh |
| 03:43.31 | JeffM2501 | I'm looking at it from a "I'm trying to do at least some server side state for 2.2" |
| 03:43.44 | JeffM2501 | aka, in a coule months/summer time ish |
| 03:43.49 | brlcad | there's no way something this major could make 2.2 imho |
| 03:43.59 | biggeruniverse | I wouldn't expect that |
| 03:44.01 | JeffM2501 | maybe, we'd all have to push on it |
| 03:44.17 | JeffM2501 | I say we snap him a branch |
| 03:44.36 | JeffM2501 | do it like tupone is doing CS |
| 03:44.44 | JeffM2501 | branched, but public so we can all see it |
| 03:44.48 | JeffM2501 | and follow it |
| 03:44.49 | biggeruniverse | I'll see what I can do to have some overview doc in a few days... |
| 03:44.51 | JeffM2501 | and dsicuss it |
| 03:45.21 | biggeruniverse | It's taken me as long as it has because this is a "spare time" thing for me |
| 03:45.31 | JeffM2501 | tha'ts understsandable |
| 03:45.37 | brlcad | it's a spare time thing for everyone |
| 03:45.45 | JeffM2501 | that's what I'm trying to judge, how much spare time you have to put into it |
| 03:45.54 | JeffM2501 | to see how it would affect other work |
| 03:46.38 | JeffM2501 | ahh I know why debug1 won't work |
| 03:46.40 | JeffM2501 | it's GONE! :) |
| 03:46.46 | brlcad | he put five in solo, that'd be probably at least 2x with discussion and testing |
| 03:47.44 | biggeruniverse | It would take 3 people who worked very well together a fair amount of effort to have this ready for 2.2 |
| 03:47.45 | brlcad | in part because it would need to iterate from functional state to functional state too |
| 03:47.54 | biggeruniverse | and I mean *solid* ready |
| 03:48.32 | biggeruniverse | It stands up right now, but it's easy to push over |
| 03:48.43 | JBdiGriz | It's not ready until it's solid |
| 03:48.46 | brlcad | barring the last remaining state migrations, we should already be testing for 2.2 release |
| 03:48.52 | JeffM2501 | does that assume we put the stuff you took out back in? |
| 03:49.04 | biggeruniverse | what? |
| 03:49.05 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, and the dialog stuff :) |
| 03:49.06 | brlcad | something this major would seriously push it back |
| 03:49.13 | JeffM2501 | biggeruniverse, command line, etc.. |
| 03:49.18 | biggeruniverse | ah |
| 03:49.31 | JeffM2501 | pluss the tools needed for conversion |
| 03:49.39 | brlcad | well iterating from existing, you just wouldn't take them out this time |
| 03:49.41 | JeffM2501 | config converters for your XML format, etc.. |
| 03:49.46 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 03:49.57 | biggeruniverse | "put back in" is tough. Look at RecordReplay, it's not even aware of channels |
| 03:50.17 | JeffM2501 | well, biggeruniverse was your estimate on taking your stuff and expanding it? or redoing it to the existing code? |
| 03:50.26 | biggeruniverse | expanding |
| 03:50.33 | JeffM2501 | I think brlcad is thinking existing code |
| 03:50.42 | biggeruniverse | iterating would take much longer, as brl mentioned |
| 03:50.56 | biggeruniverse | right |
| 03:50.58 | brlcad | but is necessary |
| 03:51.02 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 03:51.19 | JeffM2501 | it also gives us a step of design review |
| 03:51.54 | biggeruniverse | indeed |
| 03:51.57 | brlcad | your code serves as a great prototype basis to work towards, but the existing needs to evolve to that point |
| 03:52.04 | biggeruniverse | that |
| 03:52.08 | brlcad | no leaps or shortcuts :) |
| 03:52.11 | biggeruniverse | that's what I was about to say |
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| 03:53.38 | biggeruniverse | The two ways are: drop it in as a branch and expand it (it's still very young as you see from the TODO file), look at it as a goal, work towards it, borrow from it |
| 03:54.11 | JeffM2501 | I'd not want to borrow from it with out understanding the design |
| 03:54.33 | biggeruniverse | true, and I will try to make a clear doc- it's not a complex design |
| 03:59.11 | brlcad | biggeruniverse: use the wiki |
| 03:59.39 | JeffM2501 | we've done other design docs there |
| 04:00.00 | brlcad | yeah, dropping it in a branch smells exactly like 1.8 |
| 04:00.17 | JeffM2501 | it could get forgoten |
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| 04:01.36 | biggeruniverse | CBG! |
| 04:03.09 | JeffM2501 | so does it include your rand? |
| 04:03.39 | biggeruniverse | no |
| 04:03.43 | biggeruniverse | that was a joke |
| 04:03.52 | biggeruniverse | it could though! |
| 04:03.57 | JeffM2501 | heh, I'd have thought you'd have shoved that in :) |
| 04:04.02 | JeffM2501 | naw, I can't see any reason to have it |
| 04:04.07 | biggeruniverse | :P |
| 04:04.50 | biggeruniverse | well, personally, I love my rand |
| 04:05.12 | biggeruniverse | I even have a version in Java that extends Random, if you want it. |
| 04:05.52 | JeffM2501 | ummm no thanks |
| 04:06.29 | biggeruniverse | heh |
| 04:06.36 | biggeruniverse | well, too bad for you! |
| 04:07.11 | JeffM2501 | it's not like we use rand for much, it's a game, not a chaos simulation :) |
| 04:13.54 | biggeruniverse | No, it's not a *simulation* of chaos... |
| 04:14.56 | biggeruniverse | Anyway, it really doesn't matter. As you see, I had bigger things in mind... |
| 04:15.25 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
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| 04:18.06 | JeffM2501 | BZSpamBot, flush |
| 04:18.07 | BZSpamBot | Ok, JeffM2501 |
| 04:18.13 | JeffM2501 | BZSpamBot, quit |
| 04:18.51 | biggeruniverse | now, if you could say BZSpamBot, join, that would be cool |
| 04:19.02 | biggeruniverse | heh |
| 04:19.18 | a_meteorite | the phantom bot ;) |
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| 04:19.39 | JeffM2501 | you can |
| 04:19.41 | JeffM2501 | well I can |
| 04:19.43 | JeffM2501 | you can't |
| 04:19.43 | biggeruniverse | you could have faked us |
| 04:20.03 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o BZSpamBot] by JeffM2501 |
| 04:20.09 | JeffM2501 | BZSpamBot, be nice |
| 04:20.11 | BZSpamBot | huh? |
| 04:20.17 | JeffM2501 | BZSpamBot, benice |
| 04:20.18 | BZSpamBot | Playing it safe JeffM2501 |
| 04:21.06 | JeffM2501 | BZSpamBot, setopt repeatcheck off |
| 04:21.07 | BZSpamBot | OK JeffM2501 |
| 04:21.12 | JeffM2501 | BZSpamBot, flush |
| 04:21.13 | BZSpamBot | Ok, JeffM2501 |
| 04:21.19 | JeffM2501 | good boy :) |
| 04:21.26 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, that's the new one |
| 04:21.40 | DTRemenak | what is? |
| 04:21.45 | JeffM2501 | this instance |
| 04:21.47 | JeffM2501 | I got from SVN |
| 04:21.52 | JeffM2501 | bot |
| 04:24.08 | DTRemenak | ah, cool |
| 04:28.41 | biggeruniverse | blah |
| 04:28.49 | biggeruniverse | ok, I'm off to sleep I think |
| 04:28.55 | JeffM2501 | see ya |
| 04:31.21 | biggeruniverse | yes, hopefully I'll be online tomorrow |
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| 08:00.12 | NightMare | Well since no one is here, just to give the heads up.....IM BACK =] ill be roaming around under some wierd callsign probably with some nice "enhanced" clients...look forward to seeing you all |
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| 12:59.08 | brlcad | great |
| 13:24.22 | RatOmeter | Hmmmm, was NightMare just saying s/he is going to be roaming around with a cheat client? |
| 13:32.58 | Manu | RatOmeter: you are smart ;) |
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| 13:34.04 | RatOmeter | uh, thank you for recognizing my brilliance :) |
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| 13:36.16 | Manu | :) |
| 13:36.21 | ruskie | hmm does he have a static ip? |
| 13:36.33 | Manu | wow ruskie.. you asking it |
| 13:36.34 | ruskie | 75.31.109.213 <-- since then we could ban it pre-emptively... |
| 13:37.03 | Manu | he is an old cheater do you think he uses static ip? ;) |
| 13:37.27 | ruskie | hepends on his ISP :) |
| 13:37.58 | ruskie | adsl-75-31-109-213.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net <-- though I'm guissng a hostname ban might work :) |
| 13:39.04 | Manu | las time he didn't cheat in Viper |
| 13:39.09 | Manu | last* |
| 13:39.46 | Manu | long time ago |
| 13:41.01 | ruskie | though would be fun to get a cheater |
| 13:41.01 | RatOmeter | ban everyone in Irvine, CA? Works for me ;) |
| 13:41.11 | ruskie | plenty of /killing to be done :) |
| 13:41.29 | Manu | a /hostban * is enough :) |
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| 14:50.17 | eTangenT | just ban all of cali |
| 14:50.18 | eTangenT | 3:14D |
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| 14:53.54 | eTangenT | laterz, guys. |
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| 15:45.39 | KTL | nightmare ... hola Xtra or what? Manu, did he use cheat clients in the past?? |
| 15:46.37 | Manu | KTL: yes |
| 15:47.11 | KTL | mmm he was strong enough not to need them? ... or his cheat must have been difficult to see... |
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| 15:47.49 | Manu | he is not a bad player, nor good ;) |
| 15:47.52 | KTL | i just remember him yelling all the time in the past |
| 15:48.00 | Manu | he wrote most of the known cheats IIRC |
| 15:48.15 | KTL | good that i hunted him down everytime :) |
| 15:49.06 | DTRemenak | there are three different people who use that callsign or a variation |
| 15:49.14 | Manu | yes |
| 15:49.16 | KTL | but still i find it strange I never saw it in his play |
| 15:49.24 | Manu | DTRemenak: I guess more than three :) |
| 15:49.41 | KTL | there was only one yelling in capitals all the time |
| 15:49.59 | KTL | while being on the top of the scorelist, or near it! |
| 15:50.18 | Manu | KTL: he uses different callsigns |
| 15:51.30 | DTRemenak | don't assume that just because someone is using that callsign, that they cheat. likewise, the one that does cheat, likes to switch callsigns a lot too |
| 15:51.46 | KTL | indeed, "nightmare" is too commong |
| 15:52.11 | Manu | I'm not sure but probably nightmare is registered and some one else owns it |
| 15:52.18 | TheRedBaron | it was knightmare |
| 15:52.28 | Manu | yep |
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| 16:05.55 | biggeruniverse | ok, I did start a wiki page. |
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| 16:38.49 | Sbgodin | Hi ! |
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| 16:40.51 | brlcad | hello Sbgodin |
| 16:41.32 | Sbgodin | When experimenting the very last bzfs, the passdb wasn't recognized. On purpose? |
| 16:41.53 | brlcad | I believe so |
| 16:42.27 | Sbgodin | How if I want to host a game in a local network ? If I want to have my account, my rights, ... |
| 16:43.32 | JeffM2501 | you can use global on a local came |
| 16:43.36 | JeffM2501 | publish it to noone |
| 16:43.52 | JeffM2501 | but also if your on a local game you can use /password |
| 16:44.03 | JeffM2501 | but a new local auth system that works like global is on the todo |
| 16:44.16 | JeffM2501 | the old one sent the password via plaintext and that is bad |
| 16:44.57 | Sbgodin | I'm aware of the -advertise option, very cool. On an isolated network, question is still here. So your todo comes well. |
| 16:45.17 | JeffM2501 | you need groups and per user permisions on a LAN/ |
| 16:45.18 | JeffM2501 | what for? |
| 16:46.35 | JeffM2501 | hmmm.. maybe I could implement the old userdb as a plug-in for 2.2 |
| 16:46.43 | JeffM2501 | and jsut call it LAN admin, and we not build it by default |
| 16:47.21 | JeffM2501 | or if I get Erroneous's dialog code, I can do a pull pass hash method |
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| 16:47.50 | JeffM2501 | tho I'd want the server to be ether global or local |
| 16:48.38 | JeffM2501 | maybe have a -localauth option for the server for when it's not public, send a message to the client that asks for a pass hash, client asks the user if that is ok, we comptue a hash and fire it back, an they auth on that |
| 16:49.07 | JeffM2501 | or maybe only allow it if your on the same subnet or something |
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| 16:52.11 | biggeruniverse | yuck |
| 16:53.05 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 16:57.19 | biggeruniverse | http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFS2_prototype |
| 16:57.47 | biggeruniverse | when I get questions, I'll just put the explanations there |
| 16:58.02 | JeffM2501 | I saw that |
| 16:58.05 | JeffM2501 | haven't read it yet |
| 16:58.14 | biggeruniverse | ok |
| 16:58.17 | biggeruniverse | it's short |
| 16:58.22 | JeffM2501 | it is |
| 16:58.23 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03t-s * r14113 10/trunk/bzflag/BUGS: Put a note in BUGS that connecting to servers is broken |
| 16:58.38 | JeffM2501 | ts, still? |
| 16:58.45 | JeffM2501 | other mac users have connected |
| 16:58.53 | ts | ts: Yes, stilkl |
| 16:58.53 | JeffM2501 | and is it all servers or just some? |
| 16:58.57 | ts | still, even |
| 16:59.02 | ts | all servers |
| 16:59.05 | JeffM2501 | hmmm |
| 16:59.21 | JeffM2501 | I'll look at it today |
| 16:59.23 | ts | but hey, localhost worked last time I tried |
| 16:59.31 | JeffM2501 | so no, not all servers then |
| 16:59.40 | JeffM2501 | just remote ones? |
| 17:01.58 | ts | Well, I don't know |
| 17:02.06 | JeffM2501 | did some servers work? |
| 17:02.10 | JeffM2501 | like a localhost? |
| 17:02.21 | ts | but brad.bz didn't work and I have a 6ms ping there |
| 17:02.25 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 17:02.28 | JeffM2501 | so one remote didn |
| 17:02.34 | JeffM2501 | 6? are you in the same room? |
| 17:02.38 | ts | maybe it only works from to time |
| 17:02.45 | ts | no, it's a remote host |
| 17:02.46 | JeffM2501 | and you have current code right? |
| 17:02.54 | ts | yes, of course |
| 17:02.57 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 17:03.04 | JeffM2501 | I have to ask, just to be sure ya know |
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| 17:12.50 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14114 10/trunk/bzflag/TODO: add design doc link for local auth ( http://my.bzflag.org/w/LocalAuthentication ) |
| 17:12.56 | Sbgodin | JeffM2501: thanks for you answers |
| 17:13.12 | JeffM2501 | I think I raised more questions then answers :) |
| 17:15.43 | JeffM2501 | biggeruniverse, a good start at explaining it |
| 17:16.14 | donny_baker | should the BZFS2 doc be a design doc? |
| 17:16.35 | JeffM2501 | it is now :) |
| 17:16.47 | donny_baker | ~JeffM2501++ |
| 17:17.00 | JeffM2501 | I also took it out of the server category, and moved it to enhancements |
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| 17:39.30 | Sbgodin | About the broken connexion : From my linux client I cannot reach my linux server on today's build |
| 17:42.26 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 17:42.50 | JeffM2501 | we had it workin once, maybe somethin else got busted. |
| 17:48.23 | Sbgodin | it worked once with a random map, not with a normal map. |
| 17:50.17 | JeffM2501 | double odd |
| 17:51.14 | CBG` | biggeruniverse: how's things? :) |
| 17:52.11 | Sbgodin | 42 |
| 17:54.03 | Sbgodin | One more little thing: on my own scripts I made a loop do load all the help files, adding "-help" whenever I find one. |
| 17:54.29 | Sbgodin | Possible to allow directories with "-help" ? So that the whole directory would be loaded. |
| 17:55.36 | Sbgodin | See line 101 on http://viewvc.tuxfamily.org/svn_bzs_bzs/trunk/prog/bzs?view=markup |
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| 18:06.27 | JeffM2501 | heh, of course today is the day I didn't bring my latptop with the nix VM :( |
| 18:14.09 | Sbgodin | VM ? Speaking about what makes me run Mswin here ? ;-) |
| 18:14.32 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03t-s * r14115 10/trunk/bzflag/TODO: speling |
| 18:16.06 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 18:19.29 | Sbgodin | "speling" or "spelling" ? I have a doubt. |
| 18:25.49 | ts | "speling" was a joke, spelling is correct |
| 18:26.07 | biggeruniverse | CBG! |
| 18:26.57 | Sbgodin | ts: :-) |
| 18:28.16 | biggeruniverse | CBG: things are good, and no- you don't have my back :P |
| 18:28.24 | CBG` | heh |
| 18:30.14 | JeffM2501 | too bad I can't run OSX in a VM :( |
| 18:32.11 | JeffM2501 | wow, when did I become the "liaison between the players and the developers."? |
| 18:32.35 | Sbgodin | I'd like to help. But I've only got many linuxies. |
| 18:32.41 | CBG` | you pretty much are, JeffM2501 |
| 18:32.50 | JeffM2501 | I am |
| 18:32.54 | CBG` | you're the only dev who actually uses the forum |
| 18:33.00 | JeffM2501 | I think I'm just the only developer that talks too much |
| 18:33.04 | CBG` | heh |
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| 18:33.15 | CBG` | one way of looking at it... |
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| 18:38.39 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, you have VMware server installed? |
| 18:38.57 | Erroneous | nope, just player |
| 18:38.59 | JeffM2501 | damn |
| 18:39.04 | JeffM2501 | any machine here have it? |
| 18:39.11 | JeffM2501 | my BZ VM was set for 2 CPUs |
| 18:39.21 | JeffM2501 | I just need to edit it |
| 18:39.26 | Erroneous | open it in notepad |
| 18:39.31 | Erroneous | it's just a text file |
| 18:39.35 | JeffM2501 | the VMX? |
| 18:40.06 | Erroneous | yeah |
| 18:40.50 | JeffM2501 | it did NOT like me when I did that |
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| 18:40.59 | Erroneous | why not? |
| 18:41.10 | JeffM2501 | said the VM was built with 2, but the config wanted one |
| 18:41.14 | JeffM2501 | then didn't run |
| 18:41.42 | JeffM2501 | heh, then I reboot and it goes |
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| 18:48.09 | Sbgodin | Hey ! How is it possible to get spams on <bzflag-dev@lists.sourceforge.net> ?! |
| 18:48.59 | biggeruniverse | send one |
| 18:49.42 | Sbgodin | Normaly, people must register. |
| 18:51.47 | ruskie | which means it'll just keep out ppl to stupid to register |
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| 18:56.08 | Sbgodin | That's not normal. |
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| 19:20.22 | biggeruniverse | So is the concensus that I just stop forward development on the prototype, and go back and submit chunks of it? |
| 19:21.40 | Winny | rofl |
| 19:21.57 | Winny | L4m3r, very delayed reaction :p |
| 19:22.02 | tannerld | ow |
| 19:22.13 | L4m3r | I guess the bot is playing hardball |
| 19:22.37 | Winny | any freenode ops around? :p |
| 19:24.00 | L4m3r | or anyone with ops on SC's channel |
| 19:25.23 | L4m3r | I still can;t believe you fell for it Winny :P |
| 19:25.43 | Winny | L4m3r, I figured 10 seconds would be waaay over the threshold |
| 19:26.01 | L4m3r | there is no threshold |
| 19:26.13 | Winny | :\ |
| 19:26.20 | tannerld | err... |
| 19:26.24 | Winny | If you ever say the same thing twice, your banned? |
| 19:26.27 | Winny | wth? |
| 19:26.33 | L4m3r | twice consecutively |
| 19:26.38 | L4m3r | he's eeeeeevil. :D |
| 19:26.54 | Winny | bah |
| 19:26.55 | tannerld | apparently so |
| 19:26.57 | Winny | your evil |
| 19:26.58 | L4m3r | it should be a kick the first two times |
| 19:27.11 | L4m3r | but apparently SportChick decided he should play hardball |
| 19:30.10 | L4m3r | which one? |
| 19:30.51 | Winny | far left |
| 19:35.04 | SportChick | L4m3r I didn't decide that :) |
| 19:35.13 | L4m3r | hehe |
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| 19:37.46 | tannerld | .... |
| 19:38.00 | Winny | pwned |
| 19:38.02 | Winny | :p |
| 19:38.06 | Winny | rejoin |
| 19:38.06 | tannerld | SportChick: poke |
| 19:38.07 | Winny | tanner |
| 19:38.20 | Winny | she unbanend you |
| 19:38.35 | Winny | :o |
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| 21:14.06 | CBG | bot! bot! bot! |
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| 21:15.54 | L4m3r | maybe it would be easier to roll the spamkicker into guu or something |
| 21:16.04 | JeffM2501 | I don't know python |
| 21:16.08 | JeffM2501 | your welcome to do it |
| 21:16.10 | L4m3r | oh |
| 21:16.23 | L4m3r | I don't speak python |
| 21:16.32 | L4m3r | despite having owned three of them at one point :P |
| 21:18.00 | L4m3r | oh, and JeffM2501, in case you didn't see me say it before... if you need a linux box to host the bot on, let me know :P |
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| 21:18.18 | L4m3r | the black box under my desk has a reliable pipe |
| 21:18.20 | JeffM2501 | I don't need a box |
| 21:18.23 | JeffM2501 | I need it to compile :) |
| 21:18.25 | L4m3r | heh |
| 21:18.37 | JeffM2501 | but it should not be a perminant solution |
| 21:19.02 | L4m3r | of course |
| 21:19.12 | L4m3r | the asshat will get bored eventually |
| 21:20.27 | JeffM2501 | well that and there should be other better network services that can do it |
| 21:21.09 | L4m3r | "excess flood" seems to work for isolated incidents |
| 21:21.18 | JeffM2501 | easy to work around |
| 21:21.27 | JeffM2501 | we'll see what happens |
| 21:24.51 | JeffM2501 | I'm not sure C++ is the best language for a functional bot :) |
| 21:26.08 | L4m3r | sadly |
| 21:26.13 | JeffM2501 | tho part of me did have the idea of breaking the bot into 2 difrent chunks one that handled the connection and one that did the bot work, and make the bot part a dynamic lib, so you could have it serialise the current state, upgrade the bot part, and reload with out loosing connection |
| 21:26.17 | L4m3r | C++ rocks though :( |
| 21:26.26 | JeffM2501 | depends what it's for :) |
| 21:26.44 | L4m3r | what is ibot written in? |
| 21:27.36 | JeffM2501 | perl |
| 21:27.43 | daxxar | \o/ |
| 21:27.50 | L4m3r | >_< |
| 21:28.15 | daxxar | I've written a bot in C++, but not directly for IRC, for a wrapper protocol / daemon for many networks (among others; IRC) |
| 21:28.30 | daxxar | Not sure why, tbh. ;-P |
| 21:28.40 | L4m3r | Personally, if I were to write a full-featured IRC bot, I'd hardcode only the most basic functionality and a factoid system |
| 21:28.43 | JeffM2501 | the libIRC bot framework is not horible |
| 21:28.47 | JeffM2501 | it's prety easy to add stuff |
| 21:28.58 | JeffM2501 | I just don't think it's stable |
| 21:29.00 | L4m3r | and an API with some basic event handlers, so functions could be added as plug-ins |
| 21:29.16 | daxxar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:29.37 | L4m3r | that way I could work on adding functionality without restarting the bot :P |
| 21:29.39 | JeffM2501 | yeah by "some" it really means "all" |
| 21:29.42 | daxxar | L4m3r: That's what I did for my bot-thing, minus the factoid stuff. ;) |
| 21:30.01 | L4m3r | factoids are easy, really, I could do it with sql or flat files even |
| 21:30.08 | JeffM2501 | yeah, I didn't want to go that far for a simple IRC test client :) |
| 21:30.14 | L4m3r | heh |
| 21:30.17 | daxxar | L4m3r: True. |
| 21:31.03 | daxxar | But why not put the factoid system too in a plugin? |
| 21:31.28 | JeffM2501 | can't hurt |
| 21:32.29 | L4m3r | daxxar: not a bad idea... I just thought I'd do it in parallel to the plug-in system |
| 21:32.44 | L4m3r | so I could "load" factoids from file as well as defining them in chat |
| 21:33.05 | L4m3r | LOL I had no idea libIRC was so closely related to bzflag :P |
| 21:33.44 | JeffM2501 | it wasn't at first |
| 21:33.48 | JeffM2501 | it was another lib |
| 21:33.56 | JeffM2501 | brlcad got ownership |
| 21:34.02 | JeffM2501 | he needed it for something |
| 21:34.06 | L4m3r | yeah, I saw the takeover request on the homepage |
| 21:34.07 | JeffM2501 | so I rewrote it |
| 21:34.13 | JeffM2501 | like ground up |
| 21:34.25 | JeffM2501 | then Erroneous did some work on it |
| 21:36.51 | Deepa | Anyone know how to convince 25 peopel to play bzflag? |
| 21:37.44 | L4m3r | Deepa: underclock their systems to about 800 MHz |
| 21:37.53 | JeffM2501 | deepa offer moeny |
| 21:38.03 | L4m3r | that too |
| 21:39.06 | Deepa | underclocking might work |
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| 21:52.04 | JeffM2501 | or just say decks on a weekend |
| 21:52.25 | L4m3r | heh |
| 21:52.39 | JeffM2501 | ibot decks |
| 21:52.41 | ibot | i heard decks is http://bzgirl.opencombat.net/decks.html |
| 21:52.57 | L4m3r | I need to get my map running again. I once got a 9v9v9v9 game going :P |
| 21:52.59 | JeffM2501 | tho... I'll have to fix connections to get decks working |
| 21:53.11 | L4m3r | and SSH lag is really annoying |
| 21:53.42 | TD-Linux | decks? interesting. |
| 21:53.55 | TD-Linux | Sadly this 1.3ghz box can't play BZFlag. |
| 21:54.02 | JeffM2501 | why not? |
| 21:54.11 | TD-Linux | it has a supersavage card :( |
| 21:54.33 | JeffM2501 | replace it :) |
| 21:54.39 | TD-Linux | it's a laptop. |
| 21:54.49 | TD-Linux | I'm not so skilled with the surface-mount :) |
| 21:54.54 | TD-Linux | *soldering |
| 21:54.56 | JeffM2501 | so, same thing still applies :) |
| 21:55.12 | TD-Linux | yeah |
| 21:55.27 | TD-Linux | what scares me is that the intel drivers are so much better than the ati drivers on linux they almost run faster |
| 21:55.34 | L4m3r | heh |
| 21:55.41 | L4m3r | that's because ATi sucks at linux |
| 21:56.04 | L4m3r | hopefully AMD will crack the whip and they'll get it together |
| 21:56.08 | JeffM2501 | I had no issue with my 1300 |
| 21:56.18 | TD-Linux | my x700 was evil |
| 21:56.27 | TD-Linux | and, they can't run AIGLX :( |
| 21:56.34 | TD-Linux | though XGL works, it's not as good. |
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| 21:56.44 | L4m3r | I can play BZFlag but I can't do beryl or anything on my mobility x1300 |
| 21:57.05 | L4m3r | Xgl gives me that "white cube" problem |
| 21:57.12 | TD-Linux | beryl runs at a smooth 60fps at 1280x1024 on the cheap school computers :P |
| 21:57.41 | L4m3r | nVidia runs awesomely under liunux, too. Meh. |
| 22:01.07 | *** join/#bzflag Owner_ (i=meatloaf@66-188-221-99.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) |
| 22:01.20 | TD-Linux | Owner_: I think you missed your 'nick' setting :P |
| 22:01.27 | Owner_ | ok |
| 22:01.31 | Owner_ | oops |
| 22:01.40 | TD-Linux | you set your real name, but not your nick. |
| 22:01.45 | Owner_ | oops |
| 22:01.46 | *** kick/#bzflag [Owner_!n=spamBot@pool-71-109-227-134.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] by BZSpamBot (spam) |
| 22:01.51 | TD-Linux | ... |
| 22:01.55 | SportChick | au |
| 22:01.57 | *** part/#bzflag LongDon (n=LongDon@dialin-78219.ewetel.net) |
| 22:01.58 | TD-Linux | effective. |
| 22:02.09 | SportChick | kicked only, at least |
| 22:02.17 | L4m3r | I like how BZSpamBot punishes slow learners |
| 22:02.19 | TD-Linux | we would be twins if I didn't have my hostmask :P |
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| 22:02.47 | TD-Linux | err hostcloak |
| 22:02.57 | TD-Linux | meatloaf: yay! |
| 22:03.23 | JeffM2501 | BZSpamBot, setopt repeatcheck off |
| 22:03.24 | BZSpamBot | OK JeffM2501 |
| 22:03.39 | TD-Linux | maybe just set it to three repeats? |
| 22:03.49 | JeffM2501 | you presume that it can be set :) |
| 22:03.56 | TD-Linux | you have the source :) |
| 22:04.00 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 22:04.03 | JeffM2501 | but it's not a simple seting |
| 22:04.10 | JeffM2501 | I am working on it |
| 22:04.12 | TD-Linux | maybe also you could not enforce it for short messages... most spam messages are long |
| 22:04.17 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 22:04.22 | JeffM2501 | that'd be stupid |
| 22:04.29 | JeffM2501 | it's also going to check the last real thing said |
| 22:04.40 | JeffM2501 | most spams are 2 in a row with noone else inbetween |
| 22:04.52 | TD-Linux | aah, better idea :) |
| 22:05.12 | L4m3r | to make it store three, you could just keep a queue of three messages |
| 22:05.18 | JeffM2501 | but I'm in the middle of seting it all up to do per channel and per user tracking |
| 22:05.26 | JeffM2501 | it can't just "Store 3 right now" |
| 22:05.33 | JeffM2501 | it's just using a map |
| 22:05.40 | JeffM2501 | for all chat on all channels |
| 22:05.43 | L4m3r | oh |
| 22:05.47 | L4m3r | nasty |
| 22:05.52 | JeffM2501 | it worked for what it did |
| 22:05.56 | JeffM2501 | it just needs to be expanded |
| 22:06.10 | JeffM2501 | so I'm doing per channel stuff, with each channel having a userlist |
| 22:06.48 | JeffM2501 | and per channel operators |
| 22:07.30 | JeffM2501 | probably give the bot a hibernate command too, per channel |
| 22:07.35 | JeffM2501 | so you can stop it if it goes bonkers |
| 22:08.11 | L4m3r | heh |
| 22:08.19 | L4m3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.36 | JeffM2501 | and per channel startup /msgs |
| 22:08.41 | JeffM2501 | so that it can ask for ops |
| 22:08.42 | JeffM2501 | and such |
| 22:09.53 | JeffM2501 | assuming I get it done before I go home |
| 22:10.04 | JeffM2501 | seems to hit mostly when I'm headed home, or just got home |
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| 22:48.02 | JeffM2501 | BZSpamBot, setopt repeatcheck on |
| 22:48.02 | BZSpamBot | OK JeffM2501 |
| 22:48.19 | GrandHustla | greetings. |
| 22:48.23 | JeffM2501 | hi |
| 22:48.57 | JeffM2501 | how's it going? |
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| 23:53.04 | KTL | test |
| 23:53.06 | *** kick/#bzflag [KTL!n=spamBot@pool-71-109-227-134.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] by BZSpamBot (spam) |
| 23:53.07 | *** join/#bzflag KTL (n=KTL@kotnet-149.kulnet.kuleuven.be) |
| 23:53.09 | KTL | :D |
| 23:54.33 | blast007 | best to not taunt it ;) |
| 23:55.18 | blast007 | you won't like it when it's angry |
| 23:55.34 | Erroneous | indeed |
| 23:58.10 | JeffM2501 | that means KTL has a dick value of 1 |
| 23:58.28 | KTL | so everytime i get kicked that value increments ? |
| 23:58.47 | KTL | maybe it should decrement because it could become a sport :D |
| 23:59.08 | ruskie | you mean decrements :) |
| 23:59.25 | ruskie | probably given 2 to start with :) |
| 23:59.47 | JeffM2501 | BZSpamBot, hardball |
| 23:59.47 | BZSpamBot | Playing for keeps JeffM2501 |
| 23:59.57 | JeffM2501 | now it won't count |