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| 03:22.01 | redsoxfan90 | ouch |
| 03:22.18 | a_meteorite | no! 6 mins of silence! |
| 03:22.23 | a_meteorite | redsoxfan90: You're fired! |
| 03:22.45 | Think_Differentl | 6 mins o silen? |
| 03:22.47 | Think_Differentl | eh/ |
| 03:23.00 | a_meteorite | read your IRC time line |
| 03:23.36 | Think_Differentl | i see more than an hours of silence. |
| 03:23.53 | redsoxfan90 | gaim doesn't show me no timeline :P |
| 03:23.57 | redsoxfan90 | atleast not that i know of |
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| 03:33.35 | rob1n | wasn't redsoxfan banned a while back or something? |
| 03:49.30 | eTangenT | why would we ban soxy? |
| 03:54.29 | rob1n | a *long* time ago |
| 03:54.37 | rob1n | well idk |
| 03:55.27 | a_meteorite | I think he was involved in a cheating incident, but I MAY BE TOTALLY WRONG |
| 03:55.34 | a_meteorite | all the bzflag names are starting to blur together |
| 03:56.17 | rob1n | yeah i think that's what it was |
| 03:59.51 | rob1n | It brings back memories of redsoxfan90 and Misa and others who just had to make trouble. |
| 04:00.02 | rob1n | from the Mr. Molez topic |
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| 04:17.05 | rob1n | ~seen big_daddy2 |
| 04:17.30 | ibot | big_daddy2 <n=48f122db@bz.bzflag.bz> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 12d 5h 45m 53s ago, saying: 'wtf'. |
| 04:18.01 | a_meteorite | let's hope that 12 days gets longer and longer :) |
| 04:18.17 | the_j0k3r | lol |
| 04:20.00 | the_j0k3r | *a_meteorite slaps blast007* |
| 04:20.18 | a_meteorite | more than that |
| 04:20.39 | blast007 | harder! |
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| 04:22.22 | blast007 | haha, super fish slap |
| 04:22.25 | the_j0k3r | lol |
| 04:22.28 | tannerld | heh |
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| 05:01.33 | rob1n | a_meteorite, heh |
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| 05:10.32 | jude- | hello everyone |
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| 05:13.18 | SportSlut | HEY CHECK OUT THIS SITE http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ SPORTCUNT IS A FUCKING SLUT ASS WHORE ! DIE BITCH |
| 05:13.23 | SportSlut | HEY CHECK OUT THIS SITE http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ SPORTCUNT IS A FUCKING SLUT ASS WHORE ! |
| 05:13.24 | SportSlut | HEY CHECK OUT THIS SITE http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ SPORTCUNT IS A FUCKING SLUT ASS WHORE ! |
| 05:13.25 | SportSlut | HEY CHECK OUT THIS SITE http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ SPORTCUNT IS A FUCKING SLUT ASS WHORE ! |
| 05:13.26 | SportSlut | HEY CHECK OUT THIS SITE http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ SPORTCUNT IS A FUCKING SLUT ASS WHORE ! |
| 05:13.29 | a_meteorite | ... |
| 05:13.31 | SportSlut | HEY CHECK OUT THIS SITE http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ SPORTCUNT IS A FUCKING SLUT ASS WHORE ! |
| 05:13.35 | SportSlut | HEY CHECK OUT THIS SITE http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ SPORTCUNT IS A FUCKING SLUT ASS WHORE ! |
| 05:13.37 | SportSlut | HEY CHECK OUT THIS SITE http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ SPORTCUNT IS A FUCKING SLUT ASS WHORE ! |
| 05:13.39 | SportSlut | HEY CHECK OUT THIS SITE http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ SPORTCUNT IS A FUCKING SLUT ASS WHORE ! |
| 05:13.41 | jude- | huh? |
| 05:13.42 | SportSlut | A METEORBITE !!! HAHAHAHHA |
| 05:13.43 | SportSlut | HEY CHECK OUT THIS SITE http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ SPORTCUNT IS A FUCKING SLUT ASS WHORE ! |
| 05:13.43 | *** mode/#bzflag [+b *!*@*.com/x-dfdc10182dc0b476] by purple_cow |
| 05:13.43 | *** kick/#bzflag [SportSlut!n=david@zero.navi.cx] by purple_cow (purple_cow) |
| 05:13.46 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o DTRemenak] by ChanServ |
| 05:13.51 | jude- | thank you purple_cow |
| 05:13.56 | DTRemenak | gah, beat me to it |
| 05:13.57 | a_meteorite | meteorbite? |
| 05:14.03 | a_meteorite | that's mr molez.. |
| 05:15.40 | jude- | disgruntled GSoC applicant? |
| 05:16.30 | a_meteorite | well, once I heard "meteorbite"... that was molez's exclusive nickname he gave me after his lord jesus cheating incident |
| 05:16.45 | purple_cow | just an immature kid |
| 05:16.47 | a_meteorite | though it could be another copycat. interesting. |
| 05:16.49 | DTRemenak | a_meteorite: he's imitated several differnt people |
| 05:17.05 | a_meteorite | DTRemenak: could be, just no one else used that name :) |
| 05:17.14 | tannerld | thought we got rid of Mr. spammer? |
| 05:17.31 | a_meteorite | jeff got rid of his cool spam bot |
| 05:18.13 | tannerld | :O |
| 05:19.26 | eTangenT | well, that was obviously Molez |
| 05:19.35 | eTangenT | in case you didn't catch on by the anti-sportchickness |
| 05:19.47 | a_meteorite | it's not surprising either way |
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| 05:21.15 | SportHo | HEY CHECK OUT THIS SITE http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ SPORTCUNT IS A FUCKING SLUT ASS WHORE ! |
| 05:21.16 | SportHo | HEY CHECK OUT THIS SITE http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ SPORTCUNT IS A FUCKING SLUT ASS WHORE ! |
| 05:21.20 | SportHo | HEY CHECK OUT THIS SITE http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ SPORTCUNT IS A FUCKING SLUT ASS WHORE ! |
| 05:21.22 | SportHo | HEY CHECK OUT THIS SITE http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ SPORTCUNT IS A FUCKING SLUT ASS WHORE ! |
| 05:21.23 | jude- | time to kill |
| 05:21.24 | SportHo | HEY CHECK OUT THIS SITE http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ SPORTCUNT IS A FUCKING SLUT ASS WHORE ! |
| 05:21.26 | SportHo | DIE HO |
| 05:21.28 | SportHo | HEY CHECK OUT THIS SITE http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ SPORTCUNT IS A FUCKING SLUT ASS WHORE ! |
| 05:21.31 | *** mode/#bzflag [+b SportHo!*@*] by DTRemenak |
| 05:21.32 | a_meteorite | *head bang* |
| 05:21.40 | tannerld | ... |
| 05:21.43 | *** mode/#bzflag [+R] by DTRemenak |
| 05:21.48 | jude- | how do we kill incoming traffic from incoming spammers? |
| 05:22.02 | a_meteorite | DTRemenak: maybe include that to SportSlot!*@* :) |
| 05:22.16 | DTRemenak | a_meteorite: that was just a kickban |
| 05:22.21 | a_meteorite | ah |
| 05:22.32 | a_meteorite | tannerld: jeff has one, but it's not here |
| 05:22.37 | *** mode/#bzflag [-b sportho!*@*] by DTRemenak |
| 05:22.55 | purple_cow | I will never understand how people can be so motivated to do stupid stuff like this |
| 05:23.09 | a_meteorite | purple_cow: it gives them a rush? |
| 05:23.09 | eTangenT | purple_cow, who knows |
| 05:23.27 | a_meteorite | maybe they should have more caffeine if they want a rush, though.. :) |
| 05:23.33 | purple_cow | a_meteorite: yeah, I don't understand that |
| 05:23.50 | jude- | purple_cow: they're too afraid to say it to their "victim's" face |
| 05:24.07 | jude- | so they flood the 'net with flame bait |
| 05:24.35 | a_meteorite | they probably realize SC (and most others, for that matter) is superior to their lowly selves and want to react violently towards them |
| 05:26.29 | jude- | heh--jealousy |
| 05:26.40 | a_meteorite | exactly |
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| 12:25.08 | SportWart | i shit on my own balls!!! http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ please update your pokemon profile here!!!! |
| 12:25.17 | SportWart | DIE WHORE |
| 12:25.18 | SportWart | i shit on my own balls!!! http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ please update your pokemon profile here!!!! |
| 12:25.23 | SportWart | i shit on my own balls!!! http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ please update your pokemon profile here!!!! |
| 12:25.29 | SportWart | SportCunt !!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 12:25.31 | SportWart | i shit on my own balls!!! http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ please update your pokemon profile here!!!! |
| 12:25.39 | SportWart | i shit on my own balls!!! http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ please update your pokemon profile here!!!! |
| 12:25.53 | SportWart | U GOTZ A TIGHT ASS |
| 12:25.53 | SportWart | i shit on my own balls!!! http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ please update your pokemon profile here!!!! |
| 12:25.54 | SportWart | i shit on my own balls!!! http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ please update your pokemon profile here!!!! |
| 12:26.13 | SportWart | i shit on my own balls!!! http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ please update your pokemon profile here!!!! |
| 12:26.32 | SportWart | i shit on my own balls!!! http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ please update your pokemon profile here!!!! |
| 12:26.32 | SportWart | i shit on my own balls!!! http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ please update your pokemon profile here!!!! |
| 12:27.12 | SportWart | SportChick is a dirty whore. She sucks huge cock for free. Give her power !!! Want to smack that ho ? check out this site? http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ |
| 12:27.21 | SportWart | SportChick is a dirty whore. She sucks huge cock for free. Give her power !!! Want to smack that ho ? check out this site? http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ |
| 12:27.30 | SportWart | SportChick is a dirty whore. She sucks huge cock for free. Give her power !!! Want to smack that ho ? check out this site? http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ |
| 12:28.01 | SportWart | hey check this out http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ SportChick is a fucking slut ass whore.. Eat shit ho |
| 12:28.03 | SportWart | hey check this out http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ SportChick is a fucking slut ass whore.. Eat shit ho |
| 12:28.06 | SportWart | hey check this out http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ SportChick is a fucking slut ass whore.. Eat shit ho |
| 12:28.07 | SportWart | hey check this out http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ SportChick is a fucking slut ass whore.. Eat shit ho |
| 12:28.18 | SportWart | hey check this out http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ SportChick is a fucking slut ass whore.. Eat shit ho |
| 12:28.30 | SportWart | i shit on my own balls!!! http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ please update your pokemon profile here!!!! |
| 12:28.32 | SportWart | hey check this out http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ SportChick is a fucking slut ass whore.. Eat shit ho |
| 12:28.34 | SportWart | hey check this out http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ SportChick is a fucking slut ass whore.. Eat shit ho |
| 12:28.36 | SportWart | SportChick is a dirty whore. She sucks huge cock for free. Give her power !!! Want to smack that ho ? check out this site? http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ |
| 12:28.39 | SportWart | hey check this out http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ SportChick is a fucking slut ass whore.. Eat shit ho |
| 12:28.47 | SportWart | SportChick is a dirty whore. She sucks huge cock for free. Give her power !!! Want to smack that ho ? check out this site? http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ |
| 12:28.50 | SportWart | SportChick is a dirty whore. She sucks huge cock for free. Give her power !!! Want to smack that ho ? check out this site? http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ |
| 12:29.02 | *** join/#bzflag SportWart (n=acc9354d@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 12:29.20 | SportWart | SportChick is a dirty whore. She sucks huge cock for free. Give her power !!! Want to smack that ho ? check out this site? http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ |
| 12:29.26 | SportWart | SportChick is a dirty whore. She sucks huge cock for free. Give her power !!! Want to smack that ho ? check out this site? http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ |
| 12:29.29 | SportWart | SportChick is a dirty whore. She sucks huge cock for free. Give her power !!! Want to smack that ho ? check out this site? http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ |
| 12:29.32 | SportWart | SportChick is a dirty whore. She sucks huge cock for free. Give her power !!! Want to smack that ho ? check out this site? http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ |
| 12:29.35 | SportWart | SportChick is a dirty whore. She sucks huge cock for free. Give her power !!! Want to smack that ho ? check out this site? http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ |
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| 12:31.26 | brlcad | hm |
| 12:31.27 | SportWart | hey check this out http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ SportChick is a fucking slut ass whore.. Eat shit ho |
| 12:31.28 | SportWart | hey check this out http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ SportChick is a fucking slut ass whore.. Eat shit ho |
| 12:31.31 | SportWart | hey check this out http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ SportChick is a fucking slut ass whore.. Eat shit ho |
| 12:31.31 | SportWart | hey check this out http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ SportChick is a fucking slut ass whore.. Eat shit ho |
| 12:31.32 | SportWart | hey check this out http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ SportChick is a fucking slut ass whore.. Eat shit ho |
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| 12:32.46 | *** kick/#bzflag [SportWart!n=sean@pdpc/supporter/silver/brlcad] by brlcad (brlcad) |
| 12:33.04 | *** mode/#bzflag [-b #bzflag!*@*] by brlcad |
| 12:33.43 | Gracey | ... |
| 12:33.50 | ruskie | annoying |
| 12:33.59 | ruskie | cgi irc reall ought to be banned |
| 12:34.25 | brlcad | that wouldn't really solve much |
| 12:36.20 | brlcad | it's just used first because it's easiest, there are a dozen other ways that can't be prevented |
| 12:36.20 | ruskie | well if they get a dynamic ip then true... |
| 12:36.20 | brlcad | nobody banned him by his ip last night, so they just changed nick too |
| 12:36.20 | ruskie | but one can prohibit non-registered users of joining the chan |
| 12:36.20 | ruskie | would be nice for someone to ban him on #bzchat |
| 12:36.30 | ruskie | though I wouldn't bother with a ban... |
| 12:36.32 | ruskie | just a +q :) |
| 12:36.58 | ruskie | muting ppl is just so much more fun... |
| 12:37.26 | *** mode/#bzflag [-b *!*=acc9354d@*.bzflag.bz] by brlcad |
| 12:37.33 | *** mode/#bzflag [+b *!*=acc9354d@*] by brlcad |
| 12:39.07 | brlcad | if it were more frequent, measures could be taken.. but as it is no sense in punishing everyone for the (few) bad apples |
| 12:40.30 | brlcad | that IP seems to be an AOL address |
| 12:41.32 | Manu | poor SportChick |
| 12:42.12 | Manu | buenos días brlcad :) |
| 12:42.53 | brlcad | 172.201.53.77 if anyone is interested in looking anything up |
| 12:42.58 | brlcad | Manu: heya |
| 12:48.35 | ts | brlcad: I remember you had a server and wanted me to ping it. I have a new ISP, generally much better response times now. Want me to do it again? |
| 12:54.55 | brlcad | sure |
| 12:55.04 | brlcad | but I don't recall the IP :) |
| 13:05.57 | ts | heh |
| 13:06.04 | ts | I don't, either |
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| 13:25.44 | ts | brlcad: ohloh stalls now for more than 1 month: http://www.ohloh.net/projects/189/enlistments |
| 13:26.40 | ts | seems like you have an account there, you may want to ask them what is wrong or put ohloh away from the topic title |
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| 13:27.23 | brlcad | ts: because we moved to svn |
| 13:27.43 | brlcad | have to ask them why |
| 13:28.17 | brlcad | i bug their devs enough for other issues as it is, but I might/should/will eventually :) |
| 13:41.05 | brlcad | ts: 89.149.202.167 |
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| 13:45.34 | ts | brlcad: http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/452719 |
| 13:46.41 | ts | The traceroute was done under high network load |
| 13:48.25 | ts | In case you want real latency values in traceroute: http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/452722 |
| 13:49.16 | brlcad | much better ping times |
| 13:49.28 | ts | yeah :) |
| 13:50.43 | KTL | is there anyone here who ever implemented bump mapping ? (google wont help a lot) |
| 13:51.32 | donny_baker | hmm... interesting hits on 172.201.*.* |
| 13:52.00 | brlcad | donny_baker: it's aol .. which there are dozens of bz players that have played on/from it |
| 13:52.41 | donny_baker | yes, I know... but I could see some of them doing it... but nothing could be tied to anyone |
| 13:53.33 | ts | Reminds me on T-Online where you can never know which user is playing |
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| 16:34.48 | gsnedders | Manu, Pimpi_: server down |
| 16:36.16 | ruskie | ohh noes :( |
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| 16:36.42 | Pumpernickel | Everybody panic! |
| 16:36.50 | ruskie | *PANICS* |
| 16:36.54 | ruskie | naahhh |
| 16:37.02 | ruskie | I'm busy with making spells for more games... |
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| 16:59.33 | Pimpi_ | gsnedders: fixed |
| 17:03.17 | ruskie | btw Pimpi_ when's the next upgrade scheduled? so that we could get that fix backported onto the server that might solve the plugin issue |
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| 17:44.15 | big_daddy2 | how do u get the spin angle to work on a arc? |
| 17:58.44 | Pimpi_ | ruskie: if i know we need to upgrade i can put it on my TODO ;) |
| 17:59.11 | ruskie | Pimpi_, were you following the recent mailing list traffic? |
| 17:59.19 | ruskie | the info on what needs to be changed is there |
| 17:59.49 | Pimpi_ | didn?t know so far, i don?t keep up with the mailng list recently, unfortunately |
| 18:00.08 | Pimpi_ | not enough time for everything :( |
| 18:00.35 | ruskie | try the ML or poke BearPerson and he should tell you what needs to be done |
| 18:00.41 | ruskie | afaik it's a one liner in bzfapi.cxx |
| 18:00.56 | Pimpi_ | you should probably CC important stuff to my |
| 18:01.16 | Pimpi_ | but it?s already in svn, yes? |
| 18:01.32 | ruskie | in trunk |
| 18:01.40 | BearPerson | r14112 |
| 18:01.45 | Pimpi_ | th bp |
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| 18:10.50 | Manu | hallo Pimpi_ :) |
| 18:15.02 | ts | ruskie: I don't think that fixes it. Hepcat also has fair CTF plug in and they seem to have no problems |
| 18:20.39 | ruskie | ts do they use the exact same plugin with the same codebase |
| 18:21.16 | ruskie | I've heard some ppl complain about some fairctf plugin that resets the team flags on uneven |
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| 18:52.03 | ts | ruskie: I never saw it wrong there but at viper I did |
| 18:52.20 | ruskie | well it's not vanila fairctf |
| 18:52.23 | ruskie | it's patched |
| 18:52.43 | ruskie | for us the vanila one isn't good |
| 18:56.25 | ts | then something is likely to be wrong with the patch |
| 18:56.42 | ruskie | you're free to take a look at it... |
| 18:56.58 | ruskie | the whole source is on the viper ML |
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| 19:02.31 | ruskie | it's still worth a try though.. |
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| 20:06.14 | Winny | :D|-< |
| 20:07.41 | Dessy | hi winnni :P |
| 20:08.12 | tannerld | nooo |
| 20:08.15 | tannerld | theme come back :D |
| 20:08.24 | Dessy | lol |
| 20:08.37 | L4m3r | Dessy? |
| 20:08.53 | Dessy | ya? |
| 20:08.55 | L4m3r | any relation is essy? |
| 20:09.00 | L4m3r | er |
| 20:09.09 | L4m3r | s/is/to/ |
| 20:09.45 | tannerld | heh |
| 20:12.46 | Winny | L4m3r: :D\-< |
| 20:13.24 | L4m3r | http://bash.org/?4281 |
| 20:13.29 | L4m3r | rated #3 |
| 20:16.24 | Winny | omg! my dancing people! |
| 20:16.43 | Winny | someone just like me :p |
| 20:23.04 | tannerld | eheh |
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| 20:30.54 | CBG | yeah, too many idiots in the world |
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| 20:33.10 | Sbgodin | Hello folks ! |
| 20:34.39 | Sbgodin | I just svn-ed our game. Few players on the fields ? The servers don't seem to respond. |
| 20:37.33 | CBG | If you got the latest source from svn, you'll be a major version ahead of the current release. |
| 20:37.45 | CBG | Try the 2.0 branch. |
| 20:38.22 | ts | Sbgodin: Jeff has broken networking on Macs, that's why you can't connect to servers in newest version |
| 20:38.59 | Sbgodin | Even from Linux ? |
| 20:39.09 | ts | That can also be |
| 20:39.30 | Sbgodin | If I want to help translating some files in french, how can I do ? |
| 20:39.38 | Sbgodin | I know how to use svn/diff. |
| 20:39.53 | ts | Do you mean to translate the user interface? |
| 20:41.49 | Sbgodin | Yes. An all other messages to describe weapons, and so on..; |
| 20:42.18 | ts | Look at data/l10n/ |
| 20:42.57 | ts | There should be a lot of .po files which will give you an impression of how to translate the user interface of bzflag |
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| 20:47.56 | Sbgodin | ts: I think there is a mailling-list where I can send the diff ? |
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| 21:09.59 | JeffM2501 | any more incendents today>? |
| 21:10.59 | Birdie | on #bzchat |
| 21:11.09 | JeffM2501 | when? |
| 21:11.12 | Birdie | ehm |
| 21:11.14 | Birdie | let me look |
| 21:11.18 | ruskie | and here as well |
| 21:11.24 | ruskie | but bannage was instantiated |
| 21:12.23 | JeffM2501 | webchat again I assume |
| 21:12.25 | Birdie | 2.30pm gmt+1 |
| 21:12.28 | ruskie | yup |
| 21:12.31 | Birdie | yea |
| 21:12.42 | JeffM2501 | I was folding bra's when I saw |
| 21:13.21 | Sbgodin | About the translations, where do I send the files ? |
| 21:13.31 | JeffM2501 | you have a new translation? |
| 21:13.39 | JeffM2501 | or an update to an existing one? |
| 21:13.51 | JeffM2501 | answer is the same for both, submit it as a patch on the soruceforge site |
| 21:13.54 | Sbgodin | Just update. I didn't touch anything. |
| 21:14.03 | Sbgodin | Okay. |
| 21:14.32 | JeffM2501 | yeah the submit a patch for that file to the patch tracker |
| 21:23.37 | Sbgodin | I'm installing the svn version. Compilation worked fine. The install causes me problems: "/home/users/sbgodin/bz2/exec/share/bzflag/l10n: No such file or directory". Any idea? |
| 21:24.18 | Sbgodin | I used this: "./configure --prefix=/home/users/sbgodin/bz2/exec --disable-client --without-SDL" |
| 21:24.59 | JeffM2501 | when runing the server? |
| 21:25.26 | Sbgodin | Nothing runs at that time. Just compilling and (maybe) installing. |
| 21:25.41 | JeffM2501 | why not just use the standard config? |
| 21:26.00 | Sbgodin | I'm not the owner. I want the bzfs to be installed in my home directory. |
| 21:26.29 | Sbgodin | At home, it works. With a simple ./configure... |
| 21:26.31 | JeffM2501 | you don't have to do a make install to run |
| 21:26.35 | JeffM2501 | yeah just do a configure |
| 21:26.37 | JeffM2501 | then a make |
| 21:26.46 | JeffM2501 | then run the bzfs from the src dir |
| 21:26.58 | JeffM2501 | bzfs needs no data files |
| 21:27.30 | Sbgodin | That's a way :-o Good. I will symlink to the exec directory. |
| 21:27.41 | JeffM2501 | or just copy it |
| 21:28.03 | Sbgodin | So simple ? Maybe, I want it to change when compiling again. Is everything staticaly linked? |
| 21:28.34 | JeffM2501 | bzfs runs alone |
| 21:28.48 | JeffM2501 | heck to run the client all you need is the data dir in a place it can find |
| 21:28.59 | JeffM2501 | it's not exactly complex software ;) |
| 21:29.18 | Sbgodin | I'd think he needed many libs... |
| 21:30.03 | Sbgodin | ldd tells me that it only need standards libs... Is it tricky to compile it at home and just uploading bzfs? |
| 21:30.21 | JeffM2501 | oh your doing a jail? |
| 21:30.55 | Sbgodin | Not at all. Just finding the least difficult way to limit the load of the server. |
| 21:31.25 | JeffM2501 | bandwith load or CPU load? |
| 21:31.59 | Sbgodin | CPU load when compiling. It's a very great free server. So I try to not disturb too much, if I can. |
| 21:32.11 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 21:32.16 | Sbgodin | So, compiling at home then uploading bzfs on the server. Playable? |
| 21:32.59 | JeffM2501 | on linux? |
| 21:33.08 | Sbgodin | Yes. From Sid to Ech. |
| 21:33.12 | JeffM2501 | same lib versions? |
| 21:33.27 | JeffM2501 | your local build would have to link to versions of the libs that exist on the server |
| 21:33.42 | Sbgodin | Err... ldd returns more lib from my local bzfs, same revision. |
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| 21:34.07 | Sbgodin | Locally, bzfs is linking to libcrypto, not on the server. |
| 21:34.22 | JeffM2501 | cus your curl is probalby done with SSL |
| 21:35.10 | Sbgodin | So it would result in a problem, I guess. I'm not that experimented. Anyway, I will launch the compilation during the night if possible. |
| 21:37.37 | JeffM2501 | can't you set it to a low priority? |
| 21:38.36 | Sbgodin | I can renice, it's true. Anyway, it's not very important. Just to have both versions at the same time for the transition. |
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| 21:42.11 | Sbgodin | At that time, it does seem possible to have my test server on the new list ? |
| 21:42.48 | JeffM2501 | transiition? |
| 21:42.51 | JeffM2501 | oh translation |
| 21:43.16 | Sbgodin | arf, should have be understood as "between two events"... (I'm a froggy) |
| 21:44.00 | Sbgodin | Maybe didn't I understand? Will the new version be reachable with the actual clients? |
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| 21:50.37 | Sbgodin | Sorry if I write too much... Some lines are commented in bzflag_fr.po. Can they be translated? |
| 21:53.27 | JeffM2501 | what "new version" |
| 21:53.40 | JeffM2501 | did you get the trunk or branch? |
| 21:54.15 | Sbgodin | trunk. |
| 21:54.24 | JeffM2501 | that's 2.1 |
| 21:54.31 | JeffM2501 | it is incompatable with 2.0.x |
| 21:55.08 | Sbgodin | So my idea to have bzfs in advance is not that bad? |
| 21:55.31 | Sbgodin | I did that when we went from v1 to v2. |
| 21:55.45 | JeffM2501 | there are a number of 2.1 servers |
| 21:55.53 | JeffM2501 | but few players |
| 21:56.30 | Sbgodin | True. It will grow with the time. |
| 21:56.40 | JeffM2501 | probalby not |
| 21:56.47 | Sbgodin | ? |
| 21:56.49 | JeffM2501 | it'll be mostly dead, then release day |
| 21:56.55 | JeffM2501 | then BAM a huge swap |
| 21:57.08 | JeffM2501 | there will be a small spike when we push out each beta |
| 21:58.02 | Sbgodin | Not like the 1->2 ? It was somewhat smooth? |
| 21:58.22 | JeffM2501 | 1.10 to 2 went the same way |
| 21:58.34 | JeffM2501 | few till release day |
| 21:58.36 | JeffM2501 | then a mad rush |
| 21:58.42 | JeffM2501 | that is how it always is |
| 21:58.45 | JeffM2501 | few players can build |
| 21:59.30 | Think_Differentl | It usually is easier to build on a *nix platform, and since most people seem to be playing on win32... |
| 21:59.48 | JeffM2501 | windows is the dominant client OS |
| 22:00.06 | Think_Differentl | there are few servers that run windows. |
| 22:00.10 | Sbgodin | Got it. You expect people upgrade their client? |
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| 22:00.26 | JeffM2501 | they have to |
| 22:00.32 | JeffM2501 | to play on the new version |
| 22:00.38 | JeffM2501 | so when the servers upgrade |
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| 22:00.40 | JeffM2501 | the players upgrade |
| 22:00.49 | Sbgodin | After all, M$ do the same with MsOffice ;-) |
| 22:00.58 | JeffM2501 | if your favorite server upgrades, you upgrade your client |
| 22:01.05 | JeffM2501 | that's what drives it |
| 22:01.09 | JeffM2501 | where the games are |
| 22:01.13 | JeffM2501 | and where the players are |
| 22:01.16 | JeffM2501 | nothing else |
| 22:01.23 | JeffM2501 | if no servers upgrade, then the clients won't |
| 22:01.42 | Think_Differentl | but i belive that most of the servers will. |
| 22:02.01 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:02.10 | JeffM2501 | the big ones will upgrade within a week |
| 22:02.10 | Sbgodin | Yes. You're right. The good thing is to compile the bzfs when all switch as debian can have some delay... |
| 22:02.22 | Sbgodin | Thank you for you answer. Another question, some lines are commented out in bzflag_fr.po. Can they be translated? |
| 22:02.26 | JeffM2501 | they won't do that with a pre-release |
| 22:02.34 | JeffM2501 | they'll have to rebuild on release day anyway |
| 22:02.45 | JeffM2501 | Sbgodin, I don't know |
| 22:02.53 | JeffM2501 | try and see |
| 22:04.46 | Sbgodin | Okay. I'll proceed. |
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| 22:50.49 | SportDildo | SportChick is a dirty whore that sucks huge cock while having 5 dildos up her ass. http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ Eat Shit u fucking ho |
| 22:50.50 | lodxcol | ;( |
| 22:50.51 | SportDildo | SportChick is a dirty whore that sucks huge cock while having 5 dildos up her ass. http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ Eat Shit u fucking ho |
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| 22:50.58 | codergeek42 | wth... |
| 22:51.01 | codergeek42 | thanks DTRemenak |
| 22:51.12 | Think_Differentl | :O |
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| 22:52.26 | SportWart | SportChick is a dirty whore that sucks huge cock while having 5 dildos up her ass. http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ Eat Shit u fucking ho |
| 22:52.29 | SportWart | SportChick is a dirty whore that sucks huge cock while having 5 dildos up her ass. http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ Eat Shit u fucking ho |
| 22:52.33 | Think_Differentl | ... |
| 22:52.35 | SportWart | SportChick is a dirty whore that sucks huge cock while having 5 dildos up her ass. http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ Eat Shit u fucking ho |
| 22:52.36 | Think_Differentl | z |
| 22:52.38 | SportWart | SportChick is a dirty whore that sucks huge cock while having 5 dildos up her ass. http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ Eat Shit u fucking ho |
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| 22:52.43 | Think_Differentl | DTRemenak |
| 22:52.45 | Think_Differentl | thx |
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| 22:53.06 | SportProstitute | SportChick is a dirty whore that sucks huge cock while having 5 dildos up her ass. http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ Eat Shit u fucking ho |
| 22:53.07 | CBG | DTRemenak |
| 22:53.09 | SportProstitute | SportChick is a dirty whore that sucks huge cock while having 5 dildos up her ass. http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ Eat Shit u fucking ho |
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| 22:53.11 | Think_Differentl | DTR |
| 22:53.12 | SportProstitute | SportChick is a dirty whore that sucks huge cock while having 5 dildos up her ass. http://209.62.2.210/sportcunt/ Eat Shit u fucking ho |
| 22:53.12 | Think_Differentl | zthx |
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| 22:53.20 | codergeek42 | please ban i=*@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/* |
| 22:53.22 | Think_Differentl | :O |
| 22:53.24 | codergeek42 | it's being heavily abused |
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| 22:53.41 | ruskie | :) |
| 22:53.42 | codergeek42 | Thanks! :D |
| 22:53.44 | DTRemenak | should do it |
| 22:54.13 | CBG | ~DTRemenak++ |
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| 22:58.09 | L4m3r | hm... would jeff's spambot be more stable if hosted on a unix box? |
| 22:58.17 | L4m3r | er... linuc |
| 22:58.20 | L4m3r | linux* |
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| 22:59.23 | bz75 | why ever was I banned?? |
| 22:59.41 | ruskie | where? |
| 22:59.45 | bz75 | here |
| 22:59.52 | L4m3r | banned? where? and who are you? |
| 22:59.58 | bz75 | biggeruniverse |
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| 23:00.40 | bz75 | I'm generally uncothe, but I didn't think it was with banishment |
| 23:00.47 | bz75 | uncoothe |
| 23:00.58 | bz75 | worth |
| 23:01.00 | bz75 | gah |
| 23:01.00 | CBG | when, bz75 ? |
| 23:01.08 | bz75 | I have no idea |
| 23:01.15 | CBG | today? |
| 23:01.19 | bz75 | I try to join, and nope You're banned! |
| 23:01.26 | CBG | right now? |
| 23:01.28 | bz75 | yeaahh |
| 23:01.41 | CBG | Do you use a cgi-irc? |
| 23:01.52 | bz75 | no |
| 23:01.55 | bz75 | I use gaim |
| 23:01.55 | CBG | tor? |
| 23:02.07 | bz75 | I haven't been on the channel in months |
| 23:02.15 | CBG | Do you use a tor? |
| 23:02.20 | bz75 | gaim |
| 23:02.59 | biggeruniverse_ | close enough |
| 23:03.00 | CBG | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_(software) |
| 23:03.08 | biggeruniverse_ | why? |
| 23:03.11 | biggeruniverse_ | I like gaim |
| 23:03.29 | CBG | It's not a client. |
| 23:03.37 | CBG | I'll assume you don't use it... |
| 23:04.04 | biggeruniverse_ | no |
| 23:04.13 | CBG | I can't see any other reason why you would be banned... |
| 23:04.14 | biggeruniverse_ | I don't need to be anonymous |
| 23:04.26 | biggeruniverse_ | I'm proudly an ass |
| 23:04.40 | ruskie | maybe you're using gaim as root |
| 23:04.58 | biggeruniverse_ | never mattered before |
| 23:05.07 | ruskie | ircing as root is a bad idea |
| 23:05.07 | biggeruniverse_ | I'm on other freenode channels |
| 23:05.16 | CBG | We have had trolls lately, and have had to ban them. |
| 23:05.20 | ruskie | yeah well some ppl ban *root* |
| 23:05.30 | CBG | So there are new bans that may be affecting you. |
| 23:05.38 | biggeruniverse_ | nice |
| 23:05.53 | CBG | I ruled out two, it seems the root one is the only other likely explanation. |
| 23:06.06 | CBG | This channel is totally unrelated to others. |
| 23:06.14 | brlcad | L4m3r: shouldn't be |
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| 23:06.32 | brlcad | thar be general code issues |
| 23:06.34 | biggeruniverse | ah ha |
| 23:06.37 | CBG | there. |
| 23:06.38 | L4m3r | oh. bummer. |
| 23:06.41 | biggeruniverse | :P |
| 23:06.50 | L4m3r | well, I've got one that sits under a desk |
| 23:06.50 | brlcad | just needs debugged |
| 23:07.21 | biggeruniverse | xchat loves me |
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| 23:14.54 | biggeruniverse | so. I have a ~75% finished complete refactorization of the bzfs 2.1.X code here. It's obviously to big for a patch, but if anyone is interested, I can make it available for download. |
| 23:15.40 | a_meteorite | 75% complete refactorization of what? |
| 23:15.43 | a_meteorite | what does it do? |
| 23:16.24 | biggeruniverse | bzfs |
| 23:16.30 | biggeruniverse | the server code |
| 23:16.39 | a_meteorite | yeah, I know what bzfs is ;) |
| 23:16.48 | brlcad | eep |
| 23:16.49 | a_meteorite | but what does your refactorizations improve upon? |
| 23:17.09 | a_meteorite | better dr? more server-side? |
| 23:17.14 | brlcad | biggeruniverse: "big for a patch" is an understatement |
| 23:17.22 | biggeruniverse | not much yet, heh. I need to finish up the new configuration code so it can read maps on start up. It gets along with bzadmin pretty well tho |
| 23:17.28 | brlcad | major refactorings are exceptionally hard to merge/review/apply |
| 23:18.36 | biggeruniverse | yeah, it's designed to take the whole game server-side,, and uses a group/entity security model, channels, and threaded tasking |
| 23:18.37 | brlcad | refactoring is highly desireable, but it can't cause problems at the same time, and to be sure of that it generally needs to be gradual/visible |
| 23:19.06 | a_meteorite | threaded tasking? :o |
| 23:19.38 | a_meteorite | someone's been busy ;) |
| 23:19.47 | biggeruniverse | well, all the logic of the game is the same, but it consolidates things, and sets up for use with a channelled network agent (ENet, etc) |
| 23:20.05 | brlcad | biggeruniverse: i'm saying that I'd hate to see your work to be something that can't be apply simply because you put too much effort into it to apply it |
| 23:20.09 | biggeruniverse | the security and rights are completely different |
| 23:20.25 | biggeruniverse | it couldn't be applied |
| 23:20.29 | biggeruniverse | I know that already |
| 23:20.40 | brlcad | because? |
| 23:20.50 | biggeruniverse | when I say "complete refactorization" I mean rewritten from the ground up |
| 23:21.22 | brlcad | hm, so what's your intention/goal then? |
| 23:21.54 | biggeruniverse | to be useful |
| 23:23.18 | brlcad | that's a fairly ambiguous goal :) |
| 23:23.29 | biggeruniverse | I know, esp. for me |
| 23:23.44 | biggeruniverse | I'm generally useless |
| 23:24.59 | KTL | the start of all wishdom :) |
| 23:25.12 | brlcad | i mean, if the intention is to just make something that you find useful, that's one thing -- more power to you |
| 23:25.16 | CBG | usefulness is superfluous |
| 23:25.31 | brlcad | but if it's to make part of bz's code.. that's another entirely |
| 23:25.47 | brlcad | none of us work in isolation on purpose |
| 23:25.58 | brlcad | your changes sound useful |
| 23:26.54 | biggeruniverse | Well, that's up to the devs. My intention was to refresh the very old code. To make it far more capable, media- and plugin-friendly |
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| 23:27.27 | brlcad | which is why I mention this... |
| 23:27.42 | biggeruniverse | it uses an xml file for configuration and log4c for logging |
| 23:27.43 | brlcad | your intentions are great.. the implementation approach might make it entirely impractical |
| 23:27.44 | CBG | but, biggeruniverse, the problem now, if I understand correctly, is that your new bzfs won't tie in with the rest of the source as it is |
| 23:27.54 | biggeruniverse | it does |
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| 23:28.19 | brlcad | it doesn't tie in, it'd be a wholesale replacement if I understand you correctly |
| 23:28.22 | biggeruniverse | it talks to the client the same, and uses the same _game_logic_, however, the engine of the server is completely new |
| 23:28.43 | biggeruniverse | indeed, in that context, yes |
| 23:29.37 | Think_Differentl | biggeruniverse: will there need to be client modifications to switch between your version and the version in the svn? |
| 23:29.43 | biggeruniverse | no |
| 23:29.48 | biggeruniverse | I made sure of that |
| 23:30.02 | Think_Differentl | but you say you move most of the stuff serverside |
| 23:30.14 | a_meteorite | Think_Differentl: checks can be done without breaking protocol |
| 23:30.22 | biggeruniverse | the server is now more capable than the client (2^32 unique user ids, teams with arbitrary color), but the client can still talk as is |
| 23:30.23 | a_meteorite | you can use the info the server already knows to make informative decisions |
| 23:30.42 | Think_Differentl | ok |
| 23:31.11 | brlcad | the impractical nature of you being the sole pair of eyes that have looked at and worked on that code will very well be a problem. it would need to be visible and understood by more than you to be accepted, and generally proven beyond simple testing for such a major replacement |
| 23:31.13 | ruskie | hmm 2^32 uids... |
| 23:31.14 | CBG | but, I take it, some client changes would be good in order to "take advantage of" some/most of your bzfs changes ? |
| 23:31.17 | biggeruniverse | well, the server doesn't yet run the whole game server side, it's merely ready for that. that's why I say it's not complete. I've only been working on this since December |
| 23:31.18 | a_meteorite | plus, recently in the latest svn, jeff has been adding a ton of server-side stuff |
| 23:31.24 | ruskie | erm... what connection would be needed to run that? |
| 23:32.00 | a_meteorite | ruskie: gigabits? :) |
| 23:32.09 | ruskie | only? |
| 23:32.18 | a_meteorite | hmmm.. |
| 23:32.25 | a_meteorite | 2^32 = 4,294,967,296 |
| 23:32.27 | a_meteorite | maybe terabits |
| 23:32.40 | biggeruniverse | what? it's just 4 bytes |
| 23:32.48 | biggeruniverse | instead of 1 |
| 23:33.05 | a_meteorite | oh |
| 23:33.17 | ruskie | yeah storage |
| 23:33.18 | biggeruniverse | no, you can't get that high, but you also don't have elusive bugs where ids are reused happen quite so often |
| 23:33.27 | ruskie | ahh |
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| 23:34.08 | brlcad | biggeruniverse: have you discussed this with any of the others yet? |
| 23:34.15 | biggeruniverse | plus it's now capable of remembering users for a long time so that when they log on again, their score is the same |
| 23:34.23 | biggeruniverse | no, lucky you |
| 23:34.25 | a_meteorite | I hope that's an option :) |
| 23:34.33 | biggeruniverse | certainly |
| 23:34.41 | a_meteorite | biggeruniverse: I'd love to try it out when I get some time, can I get the source? |
| 23:34.43 | biggeruniverse | capable. remember, I've only had 5 months |
| 23:35.13 | biggeruniverse | a_meteorite: good luck. I'll package it up and have it out tomorrow. Very buggy right now. |
| 23:35.15 | ruskie | hmm having it remember for 20min would be nice |
| 23:35.25 | a_meteorite | luck is my speciality :) |
| 23:35.28 | ruskie | would discurage rejoiners |
| 23:35.40 | CBG | biggeruniverse: sounds like you've done a lot of great wor |
| 23:35.44 | CBG | work* |
| 23:36.02 | biggeruniverse | well, you haven't seen the code yet ;) don't say great too early :P |
| 23:36.02 | CBG | I just hope it can be used. |
| 23:36.08 | CBG | hehe |
| 23:36.38 | Think_Differentl | one question: is it efficient? |
| 23:36.44 | Think_Differentl | (in terms of cpu) |
| 23:36.54 | Think_Differentl | does it use more cpu than the current bzfs? |
| 23:37.02 | brlcad | it will be *exceptionally* hard to use the code if it remains developed in isolation, and that only gets worse the further along |
| 23:37.08 | Think_Differentl | sounds like it would, since it has the capability to do the client stuff serverside. |
| 23:37.12 | a_meteorite | cpu doesn't matter, only latency does :) |
| 23:37.16 | biggeruniverse | hard to tell yet. It certainly doesn't get held up in I/O so much, and tasks will be threaded out by the TaskManager |
| 23:37.33 | CBG | Think_Differentl: cpu use was never an issue |
| 23:37.40 | a_meteorite | biggeruniverse: do you start a thread per client? |
| 23:37.50 | purple_cow | oof, threads |
| 23:37.50 | a_meteorite | either that could work really great.. or not, me thinks |
| 23:37.55 | biggeruniverse | no, per task, like pings and game logic, etc |
| 23:37.58 | Think_Differentl | CBG: cpu use isnt an issue with the current bzfs. |
| 23:38.01 | a_meteorite | :o |
| 23:38.13 | brlcad | or tim |
| 23:38.34 | a_meteorite | starting a thread for each of those tasks aren't exactly that fast on some platforms.. |
| 23:38.36 | CBG | Think_Differentl: yes, and it'd have to have increased substantially to be an issue now |
| 23:38.37 | biggeruniverse | purple_cow: no worries, I waited on the threads for now, given suggestion from brlcad months ago |
| 23:39.01 | biggeruniverse | tasks can be configured |
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| 23:39.27 | Think_Differentl | CBG: with today's hardware, but on a 66-233Mhz machine it might be an issue. |
| 23:39.34 | biggeruniverse | so can team colors, plugins and their rights (voting is plugin now) groups, channels |
| 23:39.45 | CBG | Think_Differentl: if it has increased substantially, yes |
| 23:39.50 | brlcad | biggeruniverse: seriously, if the intention is not just unidirectional, you should make a couple small isolated patches that can be reviewed, so at least you could work in a branch |
| 23:40.05 | biggeruniverse | brlcad: ok |
| 23:40.41 | biggeruniverse | brlcad: The intention is not unilateral. But I had to have something to show |
| 23:41.29 | brlcad | seeing the code build up to that point from the existing sources would have helped |
| 23:41.49 | biggeruniverse | if I wished to complete it in isolation, I wouldn't be talking now |
| 23:42.53 | brlcad | right now there's, say, seven devs or so that thoroughly understand the existing server code, for the most part -- that knowledge and experience is worth more than the code features itself |
| 23:43.59 | brlcad | if the choice comes down to ditching the existing code cold turkey leaving you as the only one with 100% familiarity and the other seven or so with near 0, it becomes an easy (and unfortunate) decision |
| 23:44.15 | biggeruniverse | I understand. But I also know that even if it moves forward as it is, it's building on the same foundation. Someone has to catalyze this thing. |
| 23:44.22 | brlcad | so developing in a manner where at least the others can see, if not also participate, is .. a good thing |
| 23:44.49 | JeffM2501 | what code ya wanna ditch? |
| 23:44.57 | biggeruniverse | I think you'll find that not a lot of the important logic has changed. I'll be on here tomorrow with a link to the zipped code. |
| 23:44.59 | brlcad | otherwise, you're just building a server-side version of 1.8 |
| 23:45.16 | biggeruniverse | it's based on 2.1 |
| 23:45.37 | brlcad | the point isn't the version itself :) |
| 23:45.44 | brlcad | 1.8 was a major rewrite of the client |
| 23:45.55 | brlcad | major new features, lots of great good ideas |
| 23:45.57 | biggeruniverse | I've had trouble keeping up with changes, since December, but the relevent ones shouldn't be too bad |
| 23:46.06 | brlcad | that ultimately got entirely ditched |
| 23:46.29 | JeffM2501 | what did you change in it? |
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| 23:46.44 | biggeruniverse | what? |
| 23:46.46 | brlcad | JeffM2501: major rewrite of server |
| 23:46.52 | brlcad | refactorization |
| 23:46.55 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 23:47.02 | JeffM2501 | no real functonal changes? |
| 23:47.07 | biggeruniverse | hmm |
| 23:47.13 | biggeruniverse | game logic? no |
| 23:47.23 | JeffM2501 | cus I kinda 1/2ass did that with the net message stuff allready |
| 23:47.32 | brlcad | some functional changes it sounds, can't imagine how protocol was preserved with a couple you mentioned |
| 23:47.35 | biggeruniverse | oh, that's redone |
| 23:47.42 | JeffM2501 | what are the big orginisational changes |
| 23:47.51 | JeffM2501 | biggeruniverse, I redid it recently too |
| 23:47.56 | JeffM2501 | have you seen code from this month? |
| 23:48.13 | biggeruniverse | because the server is currently broken to make the client understand it |
| 23:48.15 | biggeruniverse | yes |
| 23:48.26 | JeffM2501 | how is your's setup? |
| 23:48.32 | biggeruniverse | what? |
| 23:48.35 | biggeruniverse | define |
| 23:48.39 | biggeruniverse | oooh |
| 23:48.39 | biggeruniverse | oh |
| 23:48.44 | JeffM2501 | did you just break stuff into functions? or redo it all to a new paradigm? |
| 23:49.04 | biggeruniverse | really, just functions in a namespace |
| 23:49.07 | brlcad | sounded like he rewrote it from scratch, adding back in functionality as needed |
| 23:49.09 | biggeruniverse | like yours |
| 23:49.27 | biggeruniverse | brlcad: right |
| 23:49.29 | JeffM2501 | redid it from scratch? |
| 23:49.31 | JeffM2501 | the API too |
| 23:49.37 | biggeruniverse | no, I left that as is |
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| 23:49.51 | biggeruniverse | I had to change some things, but it looks the same from the outside |
| 23:49.52 | JeffM2501 | what about the commands? |
| 23:50.09 | JeffM2501 | and server side players |
| 23:50.10 | brlcad | basically the main looping structure of bzfs.cxx, I'd imagine |
| 23:50.12 | biggeruniverse | CommandHandler can have new commands registered by api or with the server |
| 23:50.25 | biggeruniverse | bzfs.cxx is about 100 lines now |
| 23:50.30 | a_meteorite | wow |
| 23:50.36 | biggeruniverse | everything is elsewhere in classes |
| 23:50.41 | JeffM2501 | yeah I was in the process of spliting that up too :) |
| 23:50.48 | JeffM2501 | it realy needed to be done |
| 23:50.56 | biggeruniverse | JeffM2501,: I'll have a zip for everyone tomorrow |
| 23:51.00 | JeffM2501 | ok |
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| 23:51.10 | JeffM2501 | any reason you did it off on your own as a powerplant and not interactivly? |
| 23:51.19 | biggeruniverse | it's incomplete, but it runs and bzadmin at least likes it |
| 23:51.36 | biggeruniverse | my lack of credability |
| 23:51.50 | JeffM2501 | doing it interactivly would have built your cred |
| 23:51.54 | brlcad | interactively would have garnered you more credibility :) |
| 23:51.58 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 23:52.12 | biggeruniverse | doubtful. I know my limitation |
| 23:52.12 | JeffM2501 | now we have this chunk to look at working in |
| 23:52.14 | biggeruniverse | *s |
| 23:52.45 | JeffM2501 | all the more reason to do it interactivly, so others can supliment your limitations |
| 23:53.02 | biggeruniverse | my limitation isn't coding, it's interacting |
| 23:53.03 | brlcad | biggeruniverse: your doubts are merely your own.. getting new devs is always desireably, especially ones that are capable of refactoring well |
| 23:53.11 | JeffM2501 | indded |
| 23:53.14 | brlcad | heh, clearly :) |
| 23:53.38 | JeffM2501 | and it's a lot easier to get us to give you commit access, and do it in chunks, then it is for us to drop in a big thing |
| 23:54.05 | biggeruniverse | well, I |
| 23:54.17 | JeffM2501 | but still, pack it up |
| 23:54.24 | JeffM2501 | I for one will gladly look it over |
| 23:54.26 | biggeruniverse | 'd put it up now, but it's on my little 600mhz, where I like to write things that need to be optimized |
| 23:54.34 | biggeruniverse | I feel the pain when I'm debugging it |
| 23:54.38 | brlcad | yeah, it basically takes about as much time to review a chunk of code as it takes to write it .. |
| 23:54.50 | JeffM2501 | did you do anything with the state? |
| 23:55.00 | biggeruniverse | I'm working on the stat |
| 23:55.02 | biggeruniverse | *state |
| 23:55.03 | JeffM2501 | or just what we had for the server side bad DR |
| 23:55.07 | JeffM2501 | ok, so am I |
| 23:55.14 | JeffM2501 | this is where working with us is best |
| 23:55.16 | JeffM2501 | what are you changing? |
| 23:55.21 | biggeruniverse | like I said, I've only been working on this a few months, and it's a lot of code as you know |
| 23:55.42 | JeffM2501 | yeah and that's a lot of code for us to review in one shot |
| 23:56.14 | brlcad | biggeruniverse: how would you feel about applying your changes to the existing code, incrementally? |
| 23:56.15 | biggeruniverse | Changing? I'm just going to mod the client code and embed it in as a kind of "brain" |
| 23:56.33 | biggeruniverse | brlcad: I feel it would be difficult |
| 23:56.34 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 23:56.46 | brlcad | biggeruniverse: but doable? |
| 23:56.52 | JeffM2501 | then it's going to be way hard to accept that as a patch otherwise |
| 23:56.54 | biggeruniverse | brlcad: possibly |
| 23:57.11 | brlcad | that really would be the approach needed to verify something isn't broken |
| 23:57.26 | biggeruniverse | many things are broken right now. I have a list |
| 23:57.27 | brlcad | i mean, the server is out of the spotlight at the moment, but it's very well known |
| 23:57.40 | JeffM2501 | biggeruniverse, and your the only one that can fix em? |
| 23:57.43 | brlcad | it's limitations are simple, the code is relatively simple |
| 23:58.02 | biggeruniverse | the code hasn't become much more complex |
| 23:58.11 | biggeruniverse | it's just a different approach |
| 23:58.30 | brlcad | so increment to that approach :) |
| 23:58.42 | biggeruniverse | JeffM2501: no, that's why I will post the code. |
| 23:58.57 | biggeruniverse | brlcad: ouch. It's hard to increment underlying structure |
| 23:58.57 | brlcad | you can almost always refactor from any codebase to another |
| 23:58.59 | JeffM2501 | biggeruniverse, but if it's not in the mainline no dev will work on it |
| 23:59.12 | JeffM2501 | if it's a big chunk it's likelyhood of going into the mainline is low |
| 23:59.21 | biggeruniverse | JeffM2501: that hasn't bugged me yet ;) |
| 23:59.36 | JeffM2501 | well it's more then just about YOU |
| 23:59.48 | JeffM2501 | we all have to work together |
| 23:59.57 | biggeruniverse | I may have to work on getting this thing ready sooner. I prefer code to speak for itself... |