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| 00:24.40 | JeffM2501 | JBdiGriz, does hepcat nees a plug-in the run in the old version that auto kicks em? |
| 00:24.45 | JeffM2501 | cus I have one :) |
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| 00:39.50 | Answer | got linux? libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x5b |
| 00:40.13 | JeffM2501 | what video card and driver do you have? |
| 00:41.23 | JBdiGriz | JeffM2501: cosmos will be upgrading the server tonight, but for now unregistered players are not allowed to send messages. thanks! |
| 00:41.30 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 00:41.40 | cosmos | yeah |
| 00:41.43 | cosmos | stupid jerks |
| 00:41.45 | JeffM2501 | think I should commit the plugin? or just let em upgrade? |
| 00:41.55 | JeffM2501 | the plugin will work with old 2.0.8 |
| 00:42.08 | cosmos | i updated last week but some speed autokick kept tossing legit players out so i reverted back |
| 00:42.24 | JeffM2501 | yeah I saw that, I added a var that sets it to log only |
| 00:42.37 | Answer | video card = Mesa DRI Intel(R) 945GM 20050225, driver = xserver-xorg-video-i810 |
| 00:42.39 | cosmos | ahh ok, ill pull down current subversion branch tonight |
| 00:42.53 | JeffM2501 | Answer, I'm so so sorry |
| 00:43.01 | JeffM2501 | Answer, try runing in a window |
| 00:43.09 | JeffM2501 | bzflag -window -geometry 800x600 |
| 00:43.17 | JeffM2501 | basicly your driver says it can't do what we ask |
| 00:43.20 | JeffM2501 | probalby the res |
| 00:43.32 | Answer | it is 1400x1050 |
| 00:43.54 | JeffM2501 | it may not have enough video ram to do that as an openGL double buffer |
| 00:44.09 | JeffM2501 | try in a window with a smaller res to see |
| 00:44.28 | Answer | that is faster (23fps) but it still gives that error. |
| 00:44.42 | JeffM2501 | then I'd see if you can get better drivers |
| 00:44.46 | JeffM2501 | or updated ones |
| 00:44.57 | JeffM2501 | basicly the error comes from your driver |
| 00:45.05 | JeffM2501 | it does not support the basic GL that we are asking for |
| 00:45.06 | spldart | i've not been impressed with xorg drivers thus far |
| 00:45.12 | Answer | why is it faster in experimental quality and linear mipmap linear than texturing off and low quality ? |
| 00:45.15 | JeffM2501 | happens a lot on the intel's |
| 00:45.28 | JeffM2501 | Answer, cus your driver is optimised for that type of mode |
| 00:45.50 | JeffM2501 | the intel chip is very limited in what it can do |
| 00:46.00 | JeffM2501 | they made it only do what common games do |
| 00:46.05 | CBG | JeffM2501: I'd suggest (if it's not there already) to put a note about upgrading to 2.0.9 to avoid the spam into the MOTD |
| 00:46.08 | JeffM2501 | it's a laptop I assume |
| 00:46.16 | Answer | well isn't it the driver's fault not the chip |
| 00:46.19 | JeffM2501 | CBG, clients don't have to upgrade |
| 00:46.20 | blast007 | CBG: it's a server issue, not a client issue |
| 00:46.25 | blast007 | so MOTD doesn't make sense for that |
| 00:46.28 | JeffM2501 | Answer, yes it is the driver |
| 00:46.35 | CBG | ok, so you want to email every server owner? |
| 00:46.37 | JeffM2501 | your driver is basicly not openGL compliant |
| 00:46.51 | CBG | just a suggetion. most server owners will at least TEST their sever. |
| 00:47.00 | CBG | and in doing so, they download the MOTD |
| 00:47.06 | blast007 | CBG: the ones that are getting hit will probably post something on the forum or come to IRC |
| 00:47.13 | JeffM2501 | most server owners should also check the boards ;) |
| 00:47.19 | blast007 | if they don't know how to do either of those, they shouldn't be running a server |
| 00:47.21 | spldart | I assume you've checked that GL is direct? |
| 00:47.28 | JeffM2501 | the ones geting hit didn't listen LAST time |
| 00:47.30 | JeffM2501 | spldart, he's mesa |
| 00:47.33 | CBG | I didn't see a post about it on the bzbb, fwiw. |
| 00:47.36 | spldart | ah |
| 00:47.44 | JeffM2501 | CBG, it's like an announcment |
| 00:47.47 | JeffM2501 | in server admin |
| 00:47.54 | JeffM2501 | from like DECEMBER |
| 00:47.56 | JeffM2501 | it's been there |
| 00:48.18 | CBG | oh, probably forgot about it then |
| 00:48.41 | JeffM2501 | yeah, so the only servers that are geting it, are ones that didn't upgrade for some reason, OR are poorly admined, so I don't think THEY test ;) |
| 00:49.06 | JeffM2501 | Answer, you can have 2 types of GL in linux |
| 00:49.11 | JeffM2501 | hardware accelerated |
| 00:49.12 | JeffM2501 | or software |
| 00:49.25 | JeffM2501 | you using DRI so your like a 1/2 atempt at hardware |
| 00:49.32 | JeffM2501 | realy, just see if there is newer drivers |
| 00:49.37 | JeffM2501 | that's realy your only choice |
| 00:49.48 | JeffM2501 | intel should provide some for linux IIRC |
| 00:50.02 | JeffM2501 | or if you have the slot get a better video card ;) |
| 00:50.51 | Answer | I found an intel driver |
| 00:50.56 | cosmos | whoever the jerk is they also made a really foul website about sportchick |
| 00:51.02 | cosmos | spammed our irc channels too |
| 00:51.04 | JeffM2501 | cosmos, we know |
| 00:51.13 | Answer | and it's a laptop so doubtul better card |
| 00:51.17 | cosmos | school must be out |
| 00:51.20 | JeffM2501 | dont' give him the satisfaction of commenting on it :) |
| 00:51.31 | JeffM2501 | Answer, yeah laptps can be interesting |
| 00:51.55 | Answer | I think you should let them back in and kill them mercilessly. sc is tough. or just hit him with world weapon |
| 00:52.08 | spldart | xorg 7.1 here.. had issues with getting 3d accel. Xorg totally doesn't support 3d on my card but 2d is good to go. |
| 00:52.11 | JeffM2501 | cosmos, there may be other reasons, but ya, spring break just happend |
| 00:52.34 | Answer | that's why I thought low quality and texturing off shadows off - like 2d |
| 00:52.39 | spldart | had to build binary dri drm module for it |
| 00:52.59 | Answer | i'd rather buy an ati card |
| 00:53.05 | Answer | or is nvidia tops now |
| 00:53.26 | JeffM2501 | Answer, it probably won't work better, as your chip does lower quality stuff worse. |
| 00:53.35 | JeffM2501 | I have found little problems with nvidia drivers |
| 00:53.38 | spldart | I've never had bzclient play decent without having chip accell functional |
| 00:53.41 | JeffM2501 | newer ATI is not too bad |
| 00:53.47 | JeffM2501 | older ATI can be iffy |
| 00:53.59 | spldart | nvidia on linux has been cake for me so far |
| 00:54.08 | spldart | ati isn't as good by any means in linux drivers |
| 00:54.19 | JeffM2501 | I had good luck with an X1300 |
| 00:55.18 | spldart | to new for me hehe |
| 00:55.18 | JeffM2501 | older cards in the 9x00 and lower are harder to suport |
| 00:55.18 | spldart | yep |
| 00:55.18 | JeffM2501 | 7000 series you are screwed |
| 00:55.18 | spldart | w0rd but it can be done |
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| 00:55.18 | spldart | I done did it |
| 00:55.18 | JeffM2501 | you installed windows? |
| 00:55.18 | spldart | LOL |
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| 00:56.38 | spldart | I've got everything from Rage XL, Pro 128, 7200, 7500, 8500, 9200, 9800 all 3d in deb :)... And some of them punished me severe |
| 00:57.06 | spldart | in X4.3 xorg6.8~7.1 |
| 00:59.04 | spldart | :~( I talked his ear off :-( |
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| 00:59.37 | Answer | nah the intel driver is like 2x the width and way off the screen distorted |
| 01:05.13 | cosmos | jeff: in the 2.0.9 current code whats the option for it not to kick on the speed check? |
| 01:05.22 | cosmos | compiling server now |
| 01:07.00 | spldart | He dissappeared :( |
| 01:07.33 | cosmos | heh |
| 01:07.39 | DTRemenak | he'll be back shortly |
| 01:07.45 | spldart | :) |
| 01:08.50 | DTRemenak | cosmos: _forceSpeedChecksToLog |
| 01:09.04 | DTRemenak | terrible variable name |
| 01:09.10 | cosmos | heh |
| 01:09.45 | DTRemenak | will set speed checks to log only, not kick |
| 01:11.54 | cosmos | yeah great var name let me cut and paste that |
| 01:12.16 | cosmos | i assume i just set that to 1 in the server config? |
| 01:13.25 | DTRemenak | I'd assume so |
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| 01:31.02 | Answer | Expansion Bays 1 x Ultrabay Enhanced |
| 01:31.02 | Answer | Expansion Slots Total (Free) 1 ( 1 ) x CardBus - type I/II 2 ( 1 ) x memory - SO DIMM 200-pin 1 ( 1 ) x ExpressCard/54 |
| 01:31.13 | Answer | what's the best video card I can get for those :/ |
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| 01:34.30 | SportChick | quantumdot can you superkill? |
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| 01:35.36 | hw-- | asterisk invalid char :/ |
| 01:37.33 | cosmos | Unknown BZDB variable: _forceSpeedChecksToLog |
| 01:38.14 | JBdiGriz | That's the one that JeffM added. |
| 01:39.42 | hw-- | can't you just set -speedtol 100 |
| 01:40.29 | cosmos | i was doing stuff like that before but it just kept kicking everyone. ill try again |
| 01:41.27 | JBdiGriz | I'm getting the latest source. I'll look at that issue. |
| 01:42.00 | cosmos | yeah server is running todays build |
| 01:42.46 | JBdiGriz | Jeff will probably show up here shortly, about the same time that I come up with something. |
| 01:54.30 | JBdiGriz | Have you tried setting that BZDB variable? |
| 01:58.35 | cosmos | i tried via -set in the config and _set in the client |
| 01:58.41 | cosmos | says its not known |
| 02:00.58 | JBdiGriz | That probably should have worked. |
| 02:04.17 | bryjen | are those supposed to be registered or declared somewhere? only occurance I grep is in bzfs.cxx in an if around the speed checks. |
| 02:05.03 | cosmos | yeah i only see one occurence of that variable too |
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| 02:07.08 | bryjen | hmm, there's a big list in StateDatabase.cxx |
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| 02:08.26 | rob1n | are there any servers running off of the SVN trunk? |
| 02:08.41 | JeffM2501 | should be one or 2 I'd think |
| 02:09.04 | blast007 | acutually quite a few |
| 02:09.12 | rob1n | hmm i couldn't find any, i'm probably out of date though |
| 02:09.16 | JeffM2501 | I show 8 |
| 02:09.20 | JeffM2501 | how old is your code? |
| 02:09.22 | blast007 | just not sure if they're all up to date with the latest changes |
| 02:09.30 | rob1n | pretty old |
| 02:09.34 | rob1n | a week iirc |
| 02:09.45 | rob1n | i just built it too >.< |
| 02:09.45 | JeffM2501 | ahh probalby 48 proto |
| 02:09.49 | JeffM2501 | we bumped to 49 |
| 02:09.53 | rob1n | should have done svn up before, d'oh |
| 02:10.09 | rob1n | yeah that would explain it |
| 02:10.11 | JeffM2501 | the last changes are client only |
| 02:10.27 | JeffM2501 | the entire "can't connect" thing |
| 02:11.51 | blast007 | cosmos: there's a -setForce or -setForced you could try |
| 02:12.13 | rob1n | so does having multiple cores really speed up GCC compiling? |
| 02:12.33 | JBdiGriz | He appeared before I finished compiling |
| 02:12.35 | JeffM2501 | if you tell it do 3 at a time, yeah :) |
| 02:12.58 | rob1n | JeffM2501, how about one compile? |
| 02:13.14 | rob1n | can it be distributed? |
| 02:13.16 | blast007 | rob1n: you can tell it to compile three files at a time |
| 02:13.24 | JBdiGriz | JeffM2501: [18:37] cosmos Unknown BZDB variable: _forceSpeedChecksToLog |
| 02:13.41 | JeffM2501 | hmmm |
| 02:13.41 | blast007 | rob1n: it defaults to 2 at a time |
| 02:13.57 | JeffM2501 | guess I have to add it with a default |
| 02:14.15 | rob1n | blast007, that would probably make it slower on a Core Duo ;) |
| 02:14.17 | JeffM2501 | oh you got it brhy? |
| 02:14.21 | bryjen | trying |
| 02:14.28 | JeffM2501 | it just needs to be added to the defaults |
| 02:14.43 | bryjen | and given a nicer name ;) |
| 02:14.47 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 02:14.47 | cosmos | heh |
| 02:14.52 | JeffM2501 | then I'll leave it to you :) |
| 02:15.11 | blast007 | rob1n: I had a system with 4 CPUs, so I told it to do 5 at a time ;) |
| 02:15.21 | rob1n | blast007, that server of yours? |
| 02:15.23 | JBdiGriz | Does that make bryjen the sanitation engineer? |
| 02:15.24 | blast007 | yup |
| 02:15.26 | rob1n | with 4 or whatever PSU's? |
| 02:15.29 | blast007 | 3 |
| 02:15.35 | JeffM2501 | rob1n, tell it to do one more then the cores you have, so it's never waiting. |
| 02:15.38 | bryjen | ~poo JBdiGriz |
| 02:15.41 | ibot | ACTION summons a troop of flying monkeys to fling their poo at JBdiGriz |
| 02:15.49 | rob1n | so is there a .gcc_conf or something i can edit here? |
| 02:15.59 | JeffM2501 | it's a command line |
| 02:16.10 | blast007 | make -n3 ? |
| 02:16.36 | rob1n | -j i think |
| 02:16.38 | bryjen | -j # |
| 02:17.01 | blast007 | yeah, j |
| 02:17.18 | rob1n | i want a Core 2 Quad :\ |
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| 02:17.42 | bryjen | does it look back four times deeper? |
| 02:17.54 | rob1n | anyone want to play 2.1? |
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| 02:18.34 | JeffM2501 | just tell me if it connects and I"ll be happy :) |
| 02:19.01 | rob1n | uh yeah |
| 02:19.02 | rob1n | about that |
| 02:19.08 | rob1n | it hangs when i try to connect |
| 02:19.18 | rob1n | i had to kill it |
| 02:20.03 | rob1n | sorry |
| 02:20.04 | rob1n | :) |
| 02:20.08 | bryjen | now to see if i can commit with SVN |
| 02:20.16 | rob1n | svn commit |
| 02:20.27 | JeffM2501 | rob1n, what OS? |
| 02:20.34 | rob1n | JeffM2501, os x 10.4 |
| 02:20.36 | JeffM2501 | and this is code from right now? |
| 02:20.40 | rob1n | yes |
| 02:20.43 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 02:20.45 | rob1n | just upped 5 minutes ago |
| 02:20.50 | JeffM2501 | stupid macs |
| 02:20.58 | JeffM2501 | there has to be a flush |
| 02:21.16 | JeffM2501 | can you run with log level 2 and show me the outuput lines that start with CONNECT? |
| 02:21.24 | rob1n | sure |
| 02:21.52 | rob1n | -dd i presume? |
| 02:22.03 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 02:22.05 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 02:22.12 | JeffM2501 | I added loging so I can see where it fails :) |
| 02:22.29 | rob1n | unknown option -dd |
| 02:22.42 | rob1n | maybe -d -d |
| 02:22.43 | blast007 | on the server |
| 02:22.57 | bryjen | grr. password. |
| 02:22.59 | blast007 | bzfs -dd etc.. |
| 02:23.05 | JeffM2501 | no loging on the client |
| 02:23.37 | JeffM2501 | it hangs cus the server never gets the connect string I think |
| 02:23.48 | rob1n | so bryjen's test server works, but DTRemenak's doesn't |
| 02:24.06 | rob1n | or at least i get the rain and it starts downloading for bryjen's |
| 02:24.31 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 02:24.38 | JeffM2501 | wonder if 30's not long enough |
| 02:24.48 | JeffM2501 | get me those log messages and I can see what 's up |
| 02:26.09 | rob1n | so let me get this worked out |
| 02:26.21 | rob1n | i start a bzfs server with -dd, then i connect to it |
| 02:26.26 | rob1n | right? |
| 02:26.27 | JeffM2501 | NO |
| 02:26.30 | JeffM2501 | no no no |
| 02:26.35 | JeffM2501 | run the client |
| 02:26.37 | JeffM2501 | from a command line |
| 02:26.40 | JeffM2501 | with -d -d |
| 02:26.46 | JeffM2501 | connect |
| 02:26.52 | JeffM2501 | then look at your terminal |
| 02:27.17 | JeffM2501 | it shouold not be that slow |
| 02:27.21 | JeffM2501 | SVN is wicked fast |
| 02:27.34 | JeffM2501 | aww poor bot |
| 02:28.28 | rob1n | JeffM2501, should i let it run? the log messages (i killed it after 20 seconds) aren't much |
| 02:28.40 | JeffM2501 | do any of them start with CONNECT? |
| 02:28.43 | rob1n | yeah |
| 02:28.46 | rob1n | one of them |
| 02:28.48 | JeffM2501 | those are the ones I want |
| 02:29.03 | rob1n | CONNECT:send in connect returned 10 |
| 02:29.10 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 02:29.14 | JeffM2501 | then none after that? |
| 02:29.21 | rob1n | just "Killed" |
| 02:29.28 | rob1n | i'll try leaving it and getting coffee |
| 02:29.29 | JeffM2501 | let it time out |
| 02:29.32 | JeffM2501 | yean |
| 02:29.38 | JeffM2501 | should only wait for 30 seconds |
| 02:30.21 | JeffM2501 | of course this happens RIGHT after I sell my mac too :) |
| 02:30.46 | rob1n | CONNECT:send in connect returned 10 |
| 02:30.46 | rob1n | CONNECT:connect time out failed |
| 02:30.52 | rob1n | i let it time out |
| 02:31.03 | JeffM2501 | hmm ok |
| 02:31.17 | JeffM2501 | can you open ServerLink.cxx |
| 02:31.39 | rob1n | got it |
| 02:32.11 | JeffM2501 | find connectTimeout |
| 02:32.15 | JeffM2501 | and set it to 60 |
| 02:32.19 | JeffM2501 | build and try again |
| 02:32.27 | rob1n | okay |
| 02:34.40 | rob1n | CONNECT:send in connect returned 10 |
| 02:34.40 | rob1n | CONNECT:connect time out failed |
| 02:34.54 | rob1n | wait how about someone else tries to connect to this server? |
| 02:35.14 | rob1n | just so we're not running around in circles ;) |
| 02:35.24 | rob1n | bzflag.swordofkahless.com:5155 |
| 02:35.30 | lodxcol | 2.1? |
| 02:35.54 | rob1n | yeah |
| 02:36.16 | JeffM2501 | hmm I can't ether |
| 02:36.16 | lodxcol | I connected |
| 02:36.22 | JeffM2501 | maybe it's him |
| 02:36.37 | lodxcol | it's a rabbit hunt, right? |
| 02:36.41 | rob1n | i believe so |
| 02:36.55 | lodxcol | yep I'm there |
| 02:37.02 | rob1n | lodxcol, latest SVN? |
| 02:37.14 | lodxcol | yeah, just compiled a few hours ago |
| 02:37.46 | JeffM2501 | let me build a server and see what happens |
| 02:38.28 | a_meteorite | I can only connect to bryjen's 2.1 server |
| 02:38.43 | a_meteorite | I get error connecting on the others |
| 02:38.43 | lodxcol | I can connect to them all |
| 02:38.46 | a_meteorite | (though bryjen's server kills me a lot... :| |
| 02:38.52 | bryjen | hehe |
| 02:38.54 | rob1n | a_meteorite, yeah, kills me too |
| 02:41.05 | bryjen | mine's fresh built from this afternoon |
| 02:41.25 | JeffM2501 | I'm building one now |
| 02:41.30 | bryjen | somewhere around 6 hours ago |
| 02:42.01 | a_meteorite | mine's just as of 20mins ago :) |
| 02:42.42 | JeffM2501 | if mine works, I'm just gonna bump proto and see where that goes :) |
| 02:44.18 | rob1n | spldart's works for me |
| 02:44.31 | rob1n | and what's with this new sluggish turning? |
| 02:44.35 | rob1n | or is that just his server? |
| 02:45.10 | rob1n | okay i spoke too soon |
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| 02:45.14 | rob1n | now spldart's doesn't work for me |
| 02:45.54 | lodxcol | rob1n: I get that sluggish like turning too |
| 02:46.09 | rob1n | lodxcol, in all servers or just spldart's? |
| 02:46.41 | lodxcol | all servers |
| 02:46.49 | rob1n | noo |
| 02:47.38 | JeffM2501 | A is now enforced |
| 02:47.51 | JeffM2501 | so all tanks have acceleration |
| 02:49.40 | JeffM2501 | now are all of you that can't connect, on macs? |
| 02:49.44 | rob1n | i am |
| 02:49.45 | JeffM2501 | any of you nix? |
| 02:50.51 | bryjen | my server says "Received an unknown packet type (6362)" whenever someone joins. and it kills players randomly upon spawning :/ |
| 02:51.14 | JeffM2501 | yeah the packet type thing is known |
| 02:51.17 | JeffM2501 | UDP message |
| 02:51.24 | JeffM2501 | need to add a handler for that |
| 02:51.31 | JeffM2501 | should not cause an issue |
| 02:51.40 | JeffM2501 | my server is up can anyone join it? |
| 02:51.47 | rob1n | i'm on my way |
| 02:53.47 | rob1n | okay it works |
| 02:54.00 | rob1n | want my CONNECT: debug lines? |
| 02:54.08 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 02:54.11 | JeffM2501 | well yes |
| 02:54.12 | JeffM2501 | actualy |
| 02:54.19 | a_meteorite | does mac count as nix? :) |
| 02:54.28 | a_meteorite | bryjen: it also kills when you jump sometimes |
| 02:54.43 | a_meteorite | it made me think the server was doing speed checks wrong or something.. |
| 02:54.56 | JeffM2501 | someone join again forme please |
| 02:55.02 | JeffM2501 | no mac is not linux |
| 02:55.05 | rob1n | JeffM2501, http://pastebin.ca/443935 |
| 02:55.10 | JeffM2501 | no mater how hard you want it to be :)o |
| 02:55.41 | rob1n | ookay i got connection error |
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| 02:55.48 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: I joined |
| 02:55.49 | rob1n | Server Connection Error to be specific |
| 02:56.03 | a_meteorite | but while firing GM, I got a "Server communication error" |
| 02:56.06 | rob1n | i can't connect anymore |
| 02:56.10 | rob1n | i think jeff took his server down |
| 02:56.13 | JeffM2501 | yeah I quit it |
| 02:56.15 | a_meteorite | ah |
| 02:56.28 | JeffM2501 | if you rebuild the server bryjen it won't have that unknown message |
| 02:56.32 | JeffM2501 | our CIA is busted |
| 02:56.45 | *** kick/#bzflag [CIA-17!n=JeffM@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501] by JeffM2501 (JeffM2501) |
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| 02:56.58 | bryjen | ok. its not logging and cheat check messages when it kills someone |
| 02:57.08 | JeffM2501 | 18k selected LOOPS |
| 02:57.10 | JeffM2501 | WTF |
| 02:57.56 | rob1n | ~seen scanline |
| 02:58.31 | ibot | scanline <n=sean@bz.bzflag.bz> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 486d 1h 4m 51s ago, saying: 'eek, that means i'd have to handle all the cia requests..'. |
| 02:58.32 | JeffM2501 | on a 10 second timeout. that dosn't make sense |
| 02:58.32 | rob1n | ibot, ping |
| 02:58.40 | ibot | pong |
| 02:59.46 | bryjen | he's switched nicks, iirc |
| 02:59.58 | rob1n | ~seen scanlime |
| 03:00.56 | ibot | scanlime <n=nmicah@pdpc/supporter/active/scanline> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 46d 5h 44m 6s ago, saying: 'np :)'. |
| 03:00.58 | rob1n | scanlime is in #cia :\ |
| 03:00.58 | rob1n | anyways |
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| 03:08.23 | JeffM2501 | silly bot |
| 03:08.32 | JeffM2501 | check out and rebuild your clients |
| 03:10.56 | rob1n | building |
| 03:14.43 | a_meteorite | same |
| 03:15.54 | JeffM2501 | got your connect logs? |
| 03:20.22 | bryjen | now i can't connect to mine or yours |
| 03:20.54 | JeffM2501 | mine is down |
| 03:21.00 | JeffM2501 | I'm gonna bump proto in a sec |
| 03:21.06 | JeffM2501 | found an error with one of the messages |
| 03:21.42 | rob1n | CONNECT:send in connect returned -1 |
| 03:21.42 | rob1n | CONNECT:connect time out failed |
| 03:21.42 | rob1n | CONNECT:connect loop count = 9028362 |
| 03:21.58 | JeffM2501 | DAMN |
| 03:22.04 | JeffM2501 | that's a lot |
| 03:22.08 | rob1n | whoa 9 million loops |
| 03:22.08 | JeffM2501 | must be the async |
| 03:22.50 | bryjen | i'll see yer 9 and |
| 03:22.56 | JeffM2501 | I'm gonna set up a VM here and see wtha'ts up |
| 03:22.56 | bryjen | CONNECT:connect loop count = 10035711 |
| 03:23.34 | blast007 | hehe |
| 03:26.01 | JeffM2501 | wonder if I should let it sleep inbetween |
| 03:28.26 | JeffM2501 | try the current, if that dosn't help I dunno what will |
| 03:29.33 | JeffM2501 | then i"ll need some brlcad debugin on it |
| 03:29.43 | JeffM2501 | assuming DTRemenak don't get his nixie back up |
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| 03:30.13 | rob1n | dude! |
| 03:30.17 | rob1n | have you guys seen azureus 3? |
| 03:30.28 | a_meteorite | no.. |
| 03:30.42 | rob1n | crazy stuff |
| 03:30.57 | rob1n | totally new UI |
| 03:31.18 | rob1n | just released i think ^.^ |
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| 03:31.50 | jude- | hello all |
| 03:32.04 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: I got the latest source (2mins ago), error connecting to your server.. |
| 03:32.17 | JeffM2501 | a_meteorite, what proto? |
| 03:32.21 | a_meteorite | it takes quite awhile just for it to say that too |
| 03:32.23 | a_meteorite | 0050 |
| 03:32.45 | JeffM2501 | dunno then |
| 03:35.10 | bryjen | once again, you are the anti-linux :( |
| 03:35.25 | JeffM2501 | peranlyt |
| 03:35.45 | JeffM2501 | or the only developer with free time :) |
| 03:36.22 | jude- | heh--if this team were anti-linux, there would be no linux builds |
| 03:36.32 | JeffM2501 | I vmware installer going now |
| 03:36.37 | JeffM2501 | it's not the team, it's me |
| 03:36.43 | jude- | oh |
| 03:46.16 | JeffM2501 | just gotta wait for the iso to get down now |
| 03:47.44 | jude- | JeffM2501, which distro? |
| 03:49.00 | JeffM2501 | ubuntu |
| 03:49.33 | jude- | Feisty? |
| 03:50.42 | JeffM2501 | whatever the current one is |
| 03:52.32 | blast007 | JeffM2501: you could always grab a pre-built install too |
| 03:52.35 | blast007 | http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/693 |
| 03:53.18 | JeffM2501 | it's nearly half way done' |
| 03:53.25 | blast007 | k :) |
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| 04:45.43 | JeffM2501 | hmm it' can't find GL, wonder what I'm missing |
| 04:45.48 | JeffM2501 | maybe X11 dev |
| 04:47.17 | jude- | libgl1-dev |
| 04:47.36 | jude- | no, libgl-dev |
| 04:48.02 | jude- | also, libglu-dev |
| 04:49.30 | JeffM2501 | or I just need to install g++ :) |
| 04:49.38 | jude- | that would help |
| 04:54.54 | JeffM2501 | now for the long wait |
| 04:59.38 | JeffM2501 | tho at some point I'd be nice to make the desktop larger then 1024 |
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| 05:14.47 | jude- | JeffM2501, can't you just dual-boot? |
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| 05:45.55 | DTRemenak | my server is not necessarily as up-to-date as it could be |
| 05:46.08 | DTRemenak | I broke the autobuild stuff when we switched to svn |
| 06:03.44 | JeffM2501 | jude-, sadly not, my ubuntu install is jacked on my main machine |
| 06:03.58 | JeffM2501 | I did big hardware upgrades after I installed it |
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| 06:15.35 | JeffM2501 | hmm, send is returning -1 |
| 06:20.43 | eTangenT | hey Jeff |
| 06:21.25 | eTangenT | if you use a group and do nothing but rotate each instance of it, is it possible that 4 resulting meshboxes should leave a single one below the others (and thus you get stuck trying to go to another one) |
| 06:21.26 | eTangenT | ? |
| 06:23.07 | JeffM2501 | meshboxes have issues no mater hwo you make them |
| 06:24.05 | eTangenT | hm |
| 06:24.11 | eTangenT | well, I've never had this problem before |
| 06:24.23 | eTangenT | the weird thing is that 3 of the 4 instances are fine, but the 4th one isn't |
| 06:24.46 | eTangenT | I have the first instance for red, second instance is green, rotated 90 degrees, and that's the one that doesn't work |
| 06:26.32 | eTangenT | I suppose I can just make those particular objects regular boxes, there's no materials for them |
| 06:28.31 | eTangenT | okay, that works. |
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| 14:26.01 | RatOmeter | [OT]: Virginia Tech shooter was a resident alien from S. Korea. 23 years old, senior majoring in English |
| 14:26.16 | TheRedBaron | and a good shot |
| 14:27.02 | RatOmeter | all Korean men are rquired to serve in the military... might explain it |
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| 15:09.14 | RichiH | KTL: hi |
| 15:09.23 | RichiH | KTL: you wanted to get the nickname dropped? |
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| 15:11.17 | donny_baker | DTRemenak: ping |
| 15:14.20 | KTL | test |
| 15:14.29 | KTL | hey i can speak now :D |
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| 15:33.02 | Gracey | Can someone tell me how I can automatically join these channels without having to write '/join <channel>'? I know I have to tell Pidgin to automatically log me in, but where do I do that? |
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| 15:34.54 | donny_baker | Gracey: you grace f? |
| 15:35.26 | a_temp_dist | She's "Mathew" apparently |
| 15:35.45 | Gracey | no, thats my bf's name |
| 15:35.56 | Gracey | yes I'm Grace F |
| 15:36.19 | donny_baker | ok.. for every '\' in your file put in '\\' |
| 15:36.42 | donny_baker | '\' is an control character and you need to escape it with itself |
| 15:37.41 | donny_baker | basically '\' means that the next characte isn't really a character, but position movement, or a sound, or something else, but definately not a character |
| 15:38.25 | donny_baker | and the code for an actual '\' character on the screen is '\\' |
| 15:39.33 | Gracey | a_temp_dist: Who said I was Mathew? |
| 15:39.54 | a_temp_dist | [10:25] * Gracey (n=Mathew@60-240-216-210.tpgi.com.au) has joined #bzflag |
| 15:40.08 | a_temp_dist | it's no big deal tho - don't worry about it |
| 15:40.18 | Gracey | oh, I see |
| 15:41.38 | Gracey | OMG I met a guy pretending to be a girl ealier today - I suggest you people watch out :S |
| 15:41.46 | a_temp_dist | that's fairly common |
| 15:42.14 | Gracey | its creepy |
| 15:42.36 | Chestal | Gracey: figured out how to auto join? |
| 15:42.45 | Gracey | no lol |
| 15:43.14 | Gracey | So far i've just been typing it, it doesnt take much effort but sooner or later i'll forget all the channels |
| 15:43.19 | Chestal | Gracey: if you're in a channel (chat), you can add it to your buddy list. In your buddy list, right-click it and toggle auto-join |
| 15:43.35 | Gracey | oh thats what thats for |
| 15:45.44 | Gracey | k done |
| 15:45.59 | Gracey | thx |
| 15:48.10 | Gracey | Im going to bet, nyt all |
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| 16:25.31 | JeffM2501 | how's the spam been today? |
| 16:26.01 | RatOmeter | with scrambled eggs and coffee... tasty! |
| 16:28.53 | JeffM2501 | good |
| 16:29.08 | Erroneous | spam spam spam spam eggs and spam? |
| 16:32.20 | donny_baker | made a new template on the wiki |
| 16:32.34 | donny_baker | need some thoughts on it though |
| 16:32.56 | donny_baker | it is a ToDo template... as there were 6 or 7 pages with TODO on them |
| 16:33.26 | JeffM2501 | no just a category |
| 16:33.37 | donny_baker | 3 of them were your development docs that were in the TODO category, the others were more documentation missing type |
| 16:33.39 | JeffM2501 | to mark what design docs are also in the todo |
| 16:33.58 | JeffM2501 | it's possible there may be design docs that are not yet in the todo |
| 16:34.04 | donny_baker | yes, so I am thinking now that those are two different things |
| 16:34.09 | JeffM2501 | or have been removed from the todo cus they are todone |
| 16:34.19 | donny_baker | hehe |
| 16:34.42 | RatOmeter | can software really be "too done?" |
| 16:34.49 | JeffM2501 | a feature can be |
| 16:35.01 | JeffM2501 | as specified in a design doc :) |
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| 16:36.08 | donny_baker | so maybe a better category for the documentation on the wiki isn't complete should be {{DoDoc}} |
| 16:36.25 | JeffM2501 | or IncompleteDocs |
| 16:36.35 | donny_baker | ok... |
| 16:36.35 | JeffM2501 | may as well spell it out :) |
| 16:36.48 | JeffM2501 | {{SuckDocs}} |
| 16:36.54 | Erroneous | TickTock DoDoc? |
| 16:37.57 | donny_baker | I was also thinking of adding the TODO category to your template so that it adds automaticalkly for design docs |
| 16:38.10 | donny_baker | so you don't have to mannually add it |
| 16:38.41 | Erroneous | design docs will still be design docs after they are done (and no longer to do), no? |
| 16:38.55 | donny_baker | that i guess is the question |
| 16:39.20 | Erroneous | I dunno, ask the man with the "p" |
| 16:39.29 | donny_baker | m.b.o. down? |
| 16:39.42 | JeffM2501 | yeah keep it seperate |
| 16:39.47 | donny_baker | ok |
| 16:39.58 | JeffM2501 | design docs will exist before they get on the todo, while, and after |
| 16:40.23 | JeffM2501 | optimaly, people would think of a thing, colaborate on the design ( yet not have it on a todo yet ) |
| 16:40.36 | JeffM2501 | get consensus on if we want to do it, then add it to the todo |
| 16:40.56 | donny_baker | yep |
| 16:40.57 | JeffM2501 | then when it gets done it goes off the todo, yet the doc stays around incase we have to review what the feature was suposed to do |
| 16:41.38 | JeffM2501 | I never said the P word at all ;) |
| 16:41.51 | Erroneous | no, but you're DOING it, which is worse :) |
| 16:42.12 | Erroneous | (or better, depending on your perspective) |
| 16:43.05 | Erroneous | y'know what I like most about having a dual-core machine? being able to build and "find in files" simultaneously :) |
| 16:43.33 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 16:45.37 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, I got ubuntu set up on a VM |
| 16:45.40 | JeffM2501 | and building BZ |
| 16:45.43 | Erroneous | cool |
| 16:45.54 | JeffM2501 | send returns an error |
| 16:45.58 | JeffM2501 | -1 |
| 16:46.02 | Erroneous | nice |
| 16:47.08 | Erroneous | "No indication of failure to deliver is implicit in a send. Locally detected errors are indicated by a return value of -1." |
| 16:47.37 | JeffM2501 | what does that mean? |
| 16:48.41 | Erroneous | means it didn't work |
| 16:48.45 | Erroneous | socket could be in the wrong state |
| 16:49.08 | JeffM2501 | like waiting to connect cus it's async? |
| 16:49.18 | JeffM2501 | can we make the socket async later? or is that only done before connect? |
| 16:49.39 | Erroneous | we do select before send, right? |
| 16:49.45 | Erroneous | select should block it |
| 16:49.57 | JeffM2501 | I tried it with and without a select before send |
| 16:50.07 | Erroneous | does select return an error? |
| 16:50.38 | JeffM2501 | don't recall |
| 16:55.39 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14093 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/ServerLink.cxx: log out the errors from the initial select for non windows systems |
| 16:59.04 | JeffM2501 | hmmm.. copied the VM to my laptop now it can't get on the net :( |
| 17:00.11 | JBdiGriz | JeffM2501: Design docs should migrate to doxygen comments. That's the only way they will stay up to date with the code. |
| 17:01.45 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 17:02.09 | JeffM2501 | tho keeping an archive of the origonal doc isn't bad ether, to see what the intent was :) |
| 17:02.19 | JeffM2501 | in case a discrepancy ensues |
| 17:02.31 | Erroneous | JBdiGriz: what makes you think doxygen comments get updated? |
| 17:03.07 | JBdiGriz | That actually works better with doxygen, since people don't feel they should go back and update the design docs occasionally. You can see what the intent was. |
| 17:04.00 | JBdiGriz | Erroneous: Good programming practice is to update the comments. Eventually, someone looks at the comment to figure out the code, and sees that it doesn't make sense. It comes to a long discussion here, and the comments get updated. |
| 17:04.51 | JBdiGriz | It's also a lot easier to update a comment that is sitting next to the code you are already working on, rather than searching for it. |
| 17:06.32 | Erroneous | I'm not opposed to doxygen, I just don't think it's the silver bullet people seem to think it is |
| 17:06.44 | Erroneous | people won't magically update stuff just because it's close |
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| 17:07.11 | Erroneous | and by putting it into the code, you restrict the number of people who have access to update it |
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| 17:08.08 | Erroneous | I've seen plenty of even one-line comments, where the line of code following has been changed to make the comment totally wrong, and without updating it |
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| 17:09.59 | RatOmeter | since the code is available to all, the code is only "restricted" to those who are interested, and [presumably] knowledgeable enough to do something about it. Getting them to do it may be problematic |
| 17:10.08 | JBdiGriz | Did you change the comment when you discovered it was wrong? |
| 17:10.13 | RatOmeter | heh |
| 17:10.16 | Erroneous | JBdiGriz: I did |
| 17:10.24 | Erroneous | but then, I update external docs too |
| 17:10.31 | JBdiGriz | Therefore, the comment got updated. |
| 17:10.36 | Erroneous | and prefer to do it that way |
| 17:11.08 | JBdiGriz | Do you know all of the external docs that exist? |
| 17:11.08 | Erroneous | JBdiGriz: sure, three years later |
| 17:11.42 | JBdiGriz | Your question was about updating, not about timing. |
| 17:11.44 | Erroneous | probably. they ought to be in a centralized, but they aren't. |
| 17:13.02 | JBdiGriz | doxygen allows you to generate a set of developer docs from the code and comments. It's more useful than keeping a set of design docs up to date. It doesn't substitute for creating the design docs before starting to code. |
| 17:14.08 | Erroneous | doxygen by nature is not very good for systemwide overviews. it's far more useful to have design docs. take the list server as an example...I don't want to have to wade through doxygen stuff in four different applications just to find out how the system as a whole works. |
| 17:14.48 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, anything else I'll need besides GDB to debug this thign? |
| 17:14.55 | Erroneous | JeffM2501: shouldn't be |
| 17:14.59 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 17:15.06 | JBdiGriz | That's exactly right, but if you are trying to learn/fix something in one of those apps, the design document is a painful place to start. |
| 17:15.07 | JeffM2501 | it's building the current code now |
| 17:15.11 | JeffM2501 | and upgrading some packages |
| 17:15.19 | JeffM2501 | then we can see what the heck is goin on |
| 17:15.51 | Erroneous | JBdiGriz: painful maybe, but correct...I wouldn't want someone to "fix" something in one part of a large system without understanding how it will affect the other parts |
| 17:17.13 | JBdiGriz | Under that philosophy, nothing gets fixed except by a few people who understand everything. We need more people being involved who can fix small things. |
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| 17:17.27 | bryjen | could you say doxygen documents the implementation, but the overall design needs documenting somewhere else? |
| 17:17.34 | Erroneous | bryjen: exactly |
| 17:17.54 | JBdiGriz | bryjen: I think we agree on that. |
| 17:18.10 | RatOmeter | my old boss would say "draw me a flowchart!" |
| 17:18.24 | Erroneous | JBdiGriz: you don't have to understand everything, just all of the interactions with other parts of the system on which you are working. modularity is good. |
| 17:19.14 | JBdiGriz | flowcharts are a reasonable way of documenting a design, and should be included in both the implementation and design documents if it helps the understanding. |
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| 17:22.11 | JBdiGriz | Erroneous: Those interactions are easily documented in doxygen, but may not have been in the original design. I happen to like modularity, and have put separate sections into doxygen comments which notate the entries into my code from other modules. |
| 17:23.43 | Erroneous | JBdiGriz: the problem with putting that sort of thing (say, protocol documentation) in doxygen is that you've now split and duplicated information. instead of having one document for the whole thing, you have pieces scattered through the various applications. Now it's almost impossible to understand it all even if you wanted to. |
| 17:24.18 | Erroneous | and some pieces will be up to date, while others aren't...good way to sow confusion |
| 17:25.20 | JBdiGriz | Erroneous: Huh? It generates an html document with links to the appropriate places (e.g. protocol documentation). |
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| 17:26.27 | JBdiGriz | Perhaps we need to work through how doxygen should be used for a project like bzflag, and I can demonstrate that it's a useful addition to the design documents. |
| 17:26.32 | Erroneous | JBdiGriz: it's good at following code references, but pretty bad at logical references |
| 17:26.48 | Erroneous | it's certainly a useful addition |
| 17:27.19 | JBdiGriz | Erroneous: ??? I have a complete specification of logical references in my doxygen. That's called comments. |
| 17:27.21 | Erroneous | that would be even more useful it it was better understood and more widely used |
| 17:27.35 | Erroneous | but it can't supplant external documentation completely |
| 17:29.22 | JBdiGriz | I think I agree that a tool is far more useful if people understand how to use it. |
| 17:30.25 | Erroneous | JBdiGriz: so how do you link into documentation for the php listserver? or between applications stored in different parts of the repository? could be that our setup is wrong, or I don't know some trick that I should |
| 17:30.27 | JBdiGriz | Speaking of which, I have to look at a powerpoint presentation of a design document right now. |
| 17:31.46 | JBdiGriz | I just use html links in the comments. |
| 17:32.49 | Erroneous | html links to where? i.e. if I have some doxygen stuff in texttool, and some in fontmanager, and I don't want to document the entire font format twice, how do I connect them? |
| 17:35.08 | JBdiGriz | The doxygen code is being generated into html. If there is a link to a page which has the font format, it is either in a known place (e.g. the wiki) and you just add a hard link to it, or it is in a generated place, and you place a relative link to it from the app which has generated the link. |
| 17:35.49 | JBdiGriz | From the other app, you will comment that it is documented somewhere else, and generate a link to a spot which should let you get to the correct generated place. |
| 17:36.05 | JBdiGriz | You might have to click twice to find it. |
| 17:36.17 | Erroneous | relative to what? they're in different branches of the repository; no guarantee that anyone has both checked out even |
| 17:37.05 | JBdiGriz | Relative to the location where you have checked it out and generated the documentation. Just like with code, you are going to have to type make. |
| 17:38.12 | Erroneous | they're in different modules...I could have one checked out in /home/user/bzflag/blahblah and the other in /home/user/someotherpath/bzflagtools/blahblah |
| 17:38.33 | JBdiGriz | Presumably if you haven't checked out the other tool, you had downloaded a copy of it. |
| 17:38.54 | Erroneous | not to mention that in this case, texttool is a windows-only app anyway, so there'll be no "make" going on at all :) |
| 17:38.56 | JBdiGriz | If you download a copy, you should also have the html documents. |
| 17:39.27 | JBdiGriz | I won't make the obvious comments about that. |
| 17:44.17 | JBdiGriz | It's also easy enough to have a complete set of documentation generated on sourceforge or bzflag.org. If you really need a hard link for something, you can always use that. |
| 17:45.39 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, how do I build with debug? do I have to configure again? |
| 17:45.52 | Erroneous | yeah, ./configure --enable-debug |
| 17:46.17 | Erroneous | then you get to see all the nasty problems you've created ;) |
| 17:46.21 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 17:46.23 | JeffM2501 | then I can fix em |
| 17:46.34 | JeffM2501 | I should burn this VM out to DVD when I'm done :) |
| 17:46.54 | JBdiGriz | Of course, you will never solve the problem of people who prefer to ask questions that are already documented. ;) |
| 17:47.09 | Erroneous | heh |
| 17:47.13 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r14094 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/AutoPilot.cxx: eol at eof |
| 17:47.24 | Erroneous | JeffM2501: there, that'll fix the one that I caused |
| 17:47.43 | JeffM2501 | tell you waht you 2, first one to implement and maintain a documenation system wins ;) |
| 17:48.13 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 17:48.18 | JBdiGriz | I would only implement, the programmers would need to "maintain" |
| 17:48.40 | JeffM2501 | ok, get the programers to maintain |
| 17:48.50 | JBdiGriz | and there is at least one documentation system already implemented, wiki. |
| 17:48.51 | JeffM2501 | tho at this rate, I think that may be less then 4 people :) |
| 17:48.58 | JeffM2501 | I like the wiki |
| 17:49.17 | JBdiGriz | I like the wiki as well. I would only supplement it rather than replace it. |
| 17:49.35 | Erroneous | I update any existing doxygen documentation when I edit the relevant code. Like I said, I have no problem with the system, I just don't think it's the be-all-end-all. |
| 17:49.55 | Erroneous | sometimes I even write it in for new code, when I think it'd be helpful |
| 17:50.12 | JBdiGriz | No single tool is going to solve all of your problems (except maybe emacs). |
| 17:50.19 | Erroneous | eww emacs |
| 17:50.29 | Erroneous | :P |
| 17:50.52 | Erroneous | see, that won't solve them all either :) |
| 17:51.00 | JBdiGriz | :D |
| 17:52.02 | JBdiGriz | I was having this discussion with our CM guy. He was training us how to use this tool and that tool, and I asked about training to use the entire process which includes all of the tools. |
| 17:52.12 | JBdiGriz | He didn't understand the question. |
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| 17:52.56 | Erroneous | heh |
| 17:53.04 | Erroneous | that's kinda sad |
| 17:54.01 | JBdiGriz | It's a problem that many people have. They want to know how to use the tools, rather than understanding how to get the job done. |
| 17:54.19 | JBdiGriz | The tools are only useful to enable getting the job done. |
| 18:17.09 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14095 10/trunk/bzflag/src/game/NetHandler.cxx: unused vars n' stuff |
| 18:35.38 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14096 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx: unused vars |
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| 18:43.41 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14098 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: unused vars |
| 18:46.22 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14099 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/ServerLink.cxx: shadow vars |
| 18:51.41 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14100 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/LocalPlayer.cxx: shadow vars |
| 18:52.18 | JeffM2501 | getin there :) |
| 18:52.39 | Erroneous | hehe |
| 18:52.51 | JeffM2501 | it do the server before it does the client? |
| 18:52.56 | Erroneous | yup |
| 18:53.04 | JeffM2501 | cool then looks like server is done |
| 18:56.12 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14101 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: shadow vars |
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| 19:23.31 | donny_baker | s/now/snow/ |
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| 20:05.56 | JeffM2501 | so BZ should build debug now |
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| 20:09.05 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, how would I run in gdb with params? |
| 20:10.27 | bryjen | gdb --args bzflag -foo -bar |
| 20:10.47 | Erroneous | or pass the parameters to the run command |
| 20:12.26 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 20:12.26 | JeffM2501 | it connected but then seg faulted |
| 20:12.48 | Erroneous | fun |
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| 20:25.37 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14102 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/ServerLink.cxx: log out the connectError |
| 20:28.03 | TheRedBaron | hrm, are non-colored shots on radar given altitude distinction in 2.2.X ? |
| 20:28.34 | JeffM2501 | 2.2.x? |
| 20:28.40 | JeffM2501 | that hasn't even been started yet |
| 20:29.27 | TheRedBaron | whatever the current dev ver is. |
| 20:29.28 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, how do I set a breakpoint? |
| 20:29.58 | Erroneous | break command |
| 20:31.18 | Erroneous | i.e. break function, break filename:function, break file:line, break line, break *addr, etc |
| 20:31.54 | JeffM2501 | path to the file |
| 20:32.08 | JeffM2501 | like src/bzflag/ServerLink.cxx:XXXX |
| 20:32.09 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 20:34.27 | Erroneous | mmm...try just the filename first |
| 20:34.27 | Erroneous | break ServerLink.cxx:1234 |
| 20:34.29 | JeffM2501 | great, but the mouse is bound to the bz window :( |
| 20:34.29 | JeffM2501 | there a graphical one of these? |
| 20:34.29 | JeffM2501 | ggdb or something? |
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| 20:34.29 | Erroneous | xxgdb |
| 20:34.34 | Erroneous | probably others too |
| 20:34.44 | JeffM2501 | hmmm, can't seem to get the cursor out to kill it :( |
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| 20:34.52 | Erroneous | switch to a virtual console |
| 20:35.09 | Erroneous | don't need the mouse to kill something :) |
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| 20:36.01 | JeffM2501 | man, now I know why I like me some IDEs :) |
| 20:36.58 | Erroneous | wimp :P |
| 20:47.32 | bryjen | you need to set Confine Mouse to No in bz's Input Settings menu |
| 20:48.40 | JeffM2501 | ok, thanks |
| 20:54.01 | Erroneous | ah, I assumed you knew that |
| 20:54.32 | JeffM2501 | naw, I'm used to the focus just swapin |
| 20:55.56 | Erroneous | just figured that after all the people complaining that that menu item doesn't work on windows... :) |
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| 20:59.16 | Birdie | brlcad: not here by accident? |
| 21:02.21 | Birdie | (nvm that) |
| 21:09.53 | JeffM2501 | hmm, it's not debugin correctly that I can see. it makes no sese, says there is a connection error that isn't 0, but dosn't log it. |
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| 21:16.49 | lodxcol | erm.. http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=10621 |
| 21:17.47 | Birdie | (its not the real catay) |
| 21:17.55 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.52 | JeffM2501 | in the future, if you see those, please bring them up in private, as to not give them the satisfaction of the web hits, ok |
| 21:21.35 | lodxcol | sure thing |
| 21:25.04 | Chestal | spammer posted in duc league forum (via tor) |
| 21:25.25 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:25.29 | Winny | wtf is this guys problem? |
| 21:25.53 | JeffM2501 | he has no problem |
| 21:25.59 | JeffM2501 | he loves seeing everyone make a fuss over him |
| 21:26.05 | JeffM2501 | and it's working quite well |
| 21:26.11 | Winny | but seriouysly? |
| 21:26.15 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 21:26.27 | JeffM2501 | it's just a bored person |
| 21:26.32 | Winny | I mean, who has that little of a life? :p |
| 21:26.39 | JeffM2501 | who enjoys seeing the ants run around when they pour hot water on them |
| 21:26.44 | JeffM2501 | everyone needs a hobby |
| 21:27.02 | JeffM2501 | I'll bet most of it is automated, so it takes little real time. |
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| 22:03.55 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, got it down to getsocketopt is throwing an error "113" |
| 22:04.28 | Erroneous | cool |
| 22:06.40 | Erroneous | host unreachable |
| 22:06.55 | JeffM2501 | hmm... |
| 22:07.33 | JeffM2501 | dohh |
| 22:11.16 | Erroneous | dohh? |
| 22:11.26 | JeffM2501 | it was still trying to connect to my house |
| 22:11.40 | Erroneous | heh |
| 22:12.36 | JeffM2501 | and the server never got anything |
| 22:12.56 | JeffM2501 | oh and kgdb is kinda cool |
| 22:13.05 | Erroneous | heh |
| 22:13.06 | JeffM2501 | so far best graphical debuger I've seen |
| 22:13.26 | JeffM2501 | remembers your settings per exe, has nice step over, into ,etc buttons |
| 22:13.30 | JeffM2501 | watch windows |
| 22:13.47 | JeffM2501 | and it's not fancy lookin, just simple windows with the stuff you need in t |
| 22:13.56 | JeffM2501 | tho I can't figure out how to set a watch value :0 |
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| 22:15.31 | Erroneous | heh |
| 22:16.09 | CBG | lol!! |
| 22:17.51 | tupone | http://www.gnu.org/software/ddd/ |
| 22:18.22 | JeffM2501 | yeah I got taht one too |
| 22:18.52 | tupone | it is a bit heavy, I have not used on big project, as I don't like to debug the debugger |
| 22:19.40 | KTL | Two machines are required for using KGDB <- this is not gdb like |
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| 22:20.03 | KTL | ok the k is not from kde |
| 22:20.35 | tupone | I guess jeff means kdbg, not kgdb |
| 22:23.17 | tupone | Kde-DeBuGger agains Kernel-GDB |
| 22:28.23 | JeffM2501 | yeah sorry kdbg |
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| 22:45.28 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14103 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/ServerLink.cxx: set the socket non blocking after we connect since we have to send data out now |
| 22:53.29 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, well that connects then core dumps after it gets the world |
| 22:53.33 | JeffM2501 | better then before :) |
| 22:53.43 | Erroneous | indeed, improvement :) |
| 22:56.14 | JeffM2501 | how do I show a call stack in normal gdb? |
| 22:56.40 | Erroneous | bt |
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| 22:57.06 | Erroneous | not using kdbg? |
| 22:57.32 | JeffM2501 | it would freak on the seg |
| 22:57.40 | Erroneous | heh |
| 22:57.50 | Erroneous | debugger's not much good if it can't handle a crash :) |
| 22:58.38 | JeffM2501 | it's in the ExportInformation stuff |
| 22:58.45 | Erroneous | fun |
| 23:01.28 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14104 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/ServerLink.cxx: caps are 3 bytes not 2 |
| 23:03.26 | JeffM2501 | ok THAT should make it connect now, for all those that can't connect, so if ya all could try it for me? |
| 23:03.40 | a_meteorite | updating |
| 23:09.46 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: works :) |
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| 23:15.40 | JeffM2501 | Finaly!!! |
| 23:15.42 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 23:15.54 | JeffM2501 | ibot Erroneous ++ |
| 23:16.26 | Erroneous | it works?! sweet :) |
| 23:16.32 | Erroneous | ~JeffM2501++ |
| 23:16.34 | JeffM2501 | I guess so |
| 23:16.41 | JeffM2501 | I'd like blast and bryjen to try it |
| 23:16.43 | a_meteorite | works here, mac os x 10.4.9 |
| 23:16.46 | JeffM2501 | TS will be the penultimate test |
| 23:16.51 | a_meteorite | it didn't work before this update |
| 23:16.51 | JeffM2501 | and it didn't work before right? |
| 23:16.53 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 23:16.59 | JeffM2501 | well that means somethin |
| 23:17.08 | JeffM2501 | 2.2 release :) |
| 23:17.12 | Erroneous | ahh :) |
| 23:17.14 | JeffM2501 | on an old SGI |
| 23:17.14 | Erroneous | sounds good |
| 23:17.22 | JeffM2501 | conected to the internet by string |
| 23:17.26 | JeffM2501 | in antartica |
| 23:17.31 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 23:17.35 | KTL | ? |
| 23:17.35 | Erroneous | heh, you're gonna have compile problems on an sgi, I just about guarantee it |
| 23:17.45 | JeffM2501 | well "I" won |
| 23:17.49 | JeffM2501 | won't |
| 23:18.02 | JeffM2501 | the sorry bastage who tries it will :) |
| 23:18.05 | Erroneous | that linker warning gcc gives you will probably stop mipspro dead in its tracks ;) |
| 23:18.21 | Erroneous | unless you fixed that already |
| 23:18.21 | JeffM2501 | I didn't see a linker warning |
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| 23:18.27 | Erroneous | hmm |
| 23:18.28 | JeffM2501 | the API stuff? |
| 23:18.31 | Erroneous | no |
| 23:18.35 | Erroneous | well yes, but no |
| 23:19.03 | Erroneous | something about apparent symbol conflicts between nethandler and the api |
| 23:19.22 | JeffM2501 | duno |
| 23:19.27 | JeffM2501 | want the VM? |
| 23:19.33 | Erroneous | I looked at it briefly and was confused, so I gave up |
| 23:19.37 | Erroneous | no, thanks :) |
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| 23:35.31 | CBG | german whitespace? |
| 23:35.49 | JeffM2501 | you would have had to be there |
| 23:37.51 | Winny | hehe |
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