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| 00:12.21 | Links2004[Links] | hi |
| 00:13.19 | JeffM2501 | hello |
| 00:13.34 | Links2004[Links] | can i list how global groubs a player ist whit php |
| 00:15.00 | Links2004[Links] | like /showgroup |
| 00:15.17 | JeffM2501 | you can't |
| 00:15.27 | JeffM2501 | other pages don't have access to the bzbb database |
| 00:15.42 | Links2004[Links] | but all bzserver ? |
| 00:16.03 | JeffM2501 | the bzserver can only ask the list if the user is in a specific list of groups |
| 00:16.14 | JeffM2501 | the user may be in more groups then just the ones the server knows about |
| 00:16.36 | JeffM2501 | via php during a login with the weblogin you can ask the list server if the user is in specific groups |
| 00:16.42 | JeffM2501 | but you can not list all the groups the user is in |
| 00:16.48 | Links2004[Links] | i will cheak if a user be in Links.1vs1 or Links.admin etc |
| 00:17.11 | JeffM2501 | then you can do that with the token returned from the weblogin |
| 00:17.21 | JeffM2501 | in the misc dir is the checktoken.php page |
| 00:17.27 | JeffM2501 | it has example php code |
| 00:17.34 | blast007 | (which will be updated soon) |
| 00:17.44 | Links2004[Links] | k i show ist on |
| 00:17.50 | Erroneous | ~blast007++ |
| 00:18.55 | blast007 | I'm not going to make it return "true" or "false" either |
| 00:19.01 | JeffM2501 | good |
| 00:19.10 | blast007 | I'm gonna return an array of info, and let their script decide what to do with it |
| 00:19.13 | JeffM2501 | just fill out a list |
| 00:19.15 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 00:19.28 | JeffM2501 | tho if they don't care about groups, there should be an easy way to know if the token is bad |
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| 00:23.10 | blast007 | we know it's good if the bzid is set in the return |
| 00:23.23 | blast007 | but I could add an 'error' array element if you want |
| 00:26.05 | Links2004[Links] | what is $token ? |
| 00:28.31 | blast007 | the token you get back from my.bzflag.org/weblogin.php |
| 00:28.59 | Links2004[Links] | how to get the token |
| 00:29.28 | blast007 | by having your user log in at weblogin.php, with a URL passed to it that it will return to |
| 00:29.33 | blast007 | I'll give you an example quick |
| 00:29.42 | Links2004[Links] | k thx |
| 00:30.33 | blast007 | http://my.bzflag.org/weblogin.php?url=http://YourWebsite.com/login.php%3Ftoken%3D%25TOKEN%25%26username%3D%25USERNAME%25%26userid%3D%25BZID%25 |
| 00:30.40 | blast007 | you would link your users to that page |
| 00:31.05 | blast007 | when they entered their username/password into that page, it would then redirecto them back to the url that was passed |
| 00:31.25 | blast007 | the url you pass needs to have special characters encoded into HTML entities |
| 00:31.47 | JeffM2501 | that way your website never has the password |
| 00:32.15 | Links2004[Links] | i test it |
| 00:32.34 | blast007 | so that would redirect back to http://YourWebsite.com/login.php?token=%TOKEN%&username=%USERNAME%&userid=%BZID% (except with the %% variables converted into the correct values) |
| 00:32.52 | blast007 | your web script would then pull those from the GET data |
| 00:33.05 | blast007 | then ask the list server if the token is valid for that username |
| 00:33.13 | blast007 | as well as check certain groups |
| 00:33.25 | JeffM2501 | blast007, did you read the group management page? |
| 00:33.34 | blast007 | JeffM2501: not all of it yet |
| 00:33.37 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 00:33.48 | JeffM2501 | just curious on your opinons on how hard it would be to do |
| 00:33.55 | Links2004[Links] | validate_token($_GET['token'],'Links 2004',array('Links.1vs1','Links.admin')); |
| 00:34.17 | blast007 | you'd also use $_GET['username'] |
| 00:34.29 | Links2004[Links] | k |
| 00:34.51 | blast007 | the current checking code is bad though, and I'm working on updating it |
| 00:34.58 | JeffM2501 | your website never asks for the username or password, they enter it in the web login page. |
| 00:35.00 | blast007 | just hard timewise since I'm still at work ;) |
| 00:35.58 | blast007 | also, I'm not sure sending back the BZID is all that useful, since that shouldn't be trusted anyway |
| 00:36.07 | blast007 | that can be parsed right out of the checktoken bzfls reponse |
| 00:36.25 | JeffM2501 | probably best |
| 00:36.29 | Links2004[Links] | mmm also the user must always enter his username and pw |
| 00:36.34 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 00:36.43 | JeffM2501 | we will update that page to use the bzbb cookie later |
| 00:37.01 | blast007 | hmm, wonder how hard that would be ;) |
| 00:37.08 | JeffM2501 | can't be too bad I don't think |
| 00:37.11 | blast007 | maybe if I'm bored this weekend |
| 00:37.19 | blast007 | yeah |
| 00:37.22 | Links2004[Links] | o then thet not work what i wold do |
| 00:37.39 | JeffM2501 | Links2004[Links], what are you trying to do? |
| 00:37.43 | JeffM2501 | just take a username that you have stored and check it? |
| 00:38.09 | Links2004[Links] | i will test in the leauge if the user is always addet to the group or not |
| 00:38.23 | JeffM2501 | you can do that only when the log in |
| 00:38.36 | JeffM2501 | you need them to submit a username and password to get a token |
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| 00:39.06 | JeffM2501 | it is not meant to be a generic group listing system |
| 00:39.08 | Links2004[Links] | not work :( |
| 00:41.03 | JeffM2501 | the username can't be trusted |
| 00:41.03 | JeffM2501 | it can change |
| 00:41.03 | JeffM2501 | that is why |
| 00:41.03 | Links2004[Links] | i will show the admins in leauge if they hav too add nwe user |
| 00:44.14 | Links2004[Links] | k i have too go sleep i tired |
| 00:44.22 | blast007 | cya |
| 00:44.26 | Links2004[Links] | cu |
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| 00:50.41 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14032 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/ (5 files): move GM update into a function, and always use the server shot data and not a blind resend. |
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| 00:55.51 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14033 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/ (4 files): shot fired can check the player to the handler in the same way as everyone else. |
| 01:04.10 | a_meteorite | anyone here with video card overclocking experience? |
| 01:04.43 | a_meteorite | I just achieved a 25% overclock on my GPU and memory on a Radeon 9600 128MB... it seems stable, but I'm wondering how safe that even is :| |
| 01:04.52 | a_meteorite | no visual artifacts yet |
| 01:06.20 | a_meteorite | I've been slowly upping it up too |
| 01:10.01 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, you home? |
| 01:10.26 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 01:11.13 | JeffM2501 | is it bad fung shue to fill a vector with pointers then never free them, just let it die on exit? |
| 01:11.33 | DTRemenak | prolly |
| 01:11.33 | SIGFAIL | Good evening, gentlemen :) |
| 01:11.41 | DTRemenak | especially if they can be freed early |
| 01:11.49 | JeffM2501 | yeah I guess they can be |
| 01:12.03 | DTRemenak | alternatively, if they're freed from somewhere else in the code, it should also nullify them |
| 01:12.04 | JeffM2501 | the API won't have access to install them, so I can just delete them all |
| 01:12.14 | JeffM2501 | or remove them from said vector ;) |
| 01:12.18 | DTRemenak | or that |
| 01:16.36 | JeffM2501 | should prevent any incoming buffer underruns and stuff |
| 01:18.20 | JeffM2501 | then there will be no way to send a message for another user :) |
| 01:27.30 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14034 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/ (5 files): start redoing the network message handlers to be more generic and do stronger integrity checks. |
| 01:28.24 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: have these broken proto yet? :) |
| 01:28.44 | a_meteorite | better networking, always welcome |
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| 02:12.16 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14035 10/trunk/bzflag/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 02:12.16 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: move the sending of MsgWhatTimeIsIt into a pack function like the others. |
| 02:12.17 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: Service the incoming whatTimeIsIt with a generic handler. |
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| 03:03.32 | JeffM2501 | I added a temp image to the design doc template :) |
| 03:05.33 | The_Vaxorcist | Is bzflag 2.1 crashing for anyone else when you hit "Find Server"? |
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| 03:07.55 | The_Vaxorcist | let's try recompiling... |
| 03:08.21 | JeffM2501 | how old is the code? |
| 03:08.45 | The_Vaxorcist | yesterday, maybe |
| 03:08.58 | JeffM2501 | hm |
| 03:09.03 | JeffM2501 | I'm building now |
| 03:09.04 | The_Vaxorcist | only been compiling the pieces I need, though |
| 03:09.04 | JeffM2501 | I'll try |
| 03:09.11 | JeffM2501 | what version of curl do you have? |
| 03:09.28 | The_Vaxorcist | libcurl 7.15.5 |
| 03:09.58 | JeffM2501 | that should be the good opne |
| 03:10.07 | JeffM2501 | could be the favorite stuff |
| 03:10.25 | Epyon | *yawn* |
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| 03:11.05 | JeffM2501 | naw logs in for me |
| 03:11.41 | The_Vaxorcist | hmm |
| 03:11.49 | The_Vaxorcist | I'll try recompiling |
| 03:11.58 | The_Vaxorcist | really odd memory errors |
| 03:12.12 | blast007 | compile debug |
| 03:12.23 | blast007 | --enable-debug on the ./configure |
| 03:12.25 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 03:12.31 | The_Vaxorcist | That's what i have already |
| 03:12.40 | blast007 | ah, k |
| 03:12.50 | blast007 | run it in GDB and see where it dies |
| 03:13.23 | The_Vaxorcist | That varies - |
| 03:13.34 | The_Vaxorcist | I'll try doing it again right now |
| 03:14.29 | blast007 | JeffM2501: almost have a new checkToken.php ready |
| 03:14.34 | The_Vaxorcist | basic_string() |
| 03:14.37 | blast007 | down to a single parsing issue |
| 03:14.49 | The_Vaxorcist | from TextUtils::tolower() |
| 03:14.54 | JeffM2501 | blast007, cool |
| 03:14.56 | blast007 | (well, ready, minus additional error checking code) |
| 03:15.13 | The_Vaxorcist | from ServerMenu::updateStatus() |
| 03:16.01 | blast007 | The_Vaxorcist: what was the error it gave? |
| 03:16.30 | The_Vaxorcist | Seg fault |
| 03:16.55 | blast007 | doesn't it give anything more specific? |
| 03:17.17 | The_Vaxorcist | no |
| 03:17.24 | blast007 | that's nice |
| 03:17.28 | JeffM2501 | run in gdb see what's up |
| 03:17.44 | blast007 | thought he was |
| 03:17.50 | The_Vaxorcist | Doing that |
| 03:18.05 | The_Vaxorcist | hmm, here in free() |
| 03:18.24 | The_Vaxorcist | in ~vector() |
| 03:18.33 | The_Vaxorcist | ~Address() |
| 03:18.42 | blast007 | suppose you could pastebin the results too |
| 03:18.43 | blast007 | ~pastebin |
| 03:18.45 | ibot | pastebin is probably a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or http://rafb.net/paste/, or http://pastebin.com is usually painfully too slow and unresponsive to use, use one of the other pastebin sites, or dpaste.com is a very nice pastebin as well |
| 03:18.50 | The_Vaxorcist | ~PingPacket |
| 03:18.55 | blast007 | ~bzpastebin |
| 03:18.56 | ibot | somebody said bzpastebin was a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel, and it archives too. - try http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/ |
| 03:20.05 | JeffM2501 | find out what is seting the string |
| 03:20.08 | JeffM2501 | it's probably bogus |
| 03:24.58 | The_Vaxorcist | hmm, this time crashed in ServerList::addToList |
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| 03:25.57 | The_Vaxorcist | with servers.push_back(info) |
| 03:26.04 | The_Vaxorcist | but info seems fine |
| 03:26.07 | JeffM2501 | and you've done a full build? |
| 03:26.16 | JeffM2501 | clean? |
| 03:26.22 | The_Vaxorcist | no |
| 03:26.33 | The_Vaxorcist | Just trying that now |
| 03:26.55 | The_Vaxorcist | hmm, warked now |
| 03:26.59 | The_Vaxorcist | worked |
| 03:27.50 | The_Vaxorcist | rebuild seemed to do it |
| 03:28.27 | The_Vaxorcist | probably had something to do with just making the directory I was screwing with at the moment |
| 03:28.55 | JeffM2501 | one of the sub libs may not have been updated |
| 03:29.02 | JeffM2501 | not all the client code is in src/bzflag/ |
| 03:29.06 | The_Vaxorcist | yeah |
| 03:30.33 | The_Vaxorcist | well that fixed that |
| 03:30.54 | The_Vaxorcist | now to figure out what's wrong with the code I wrote |
| 03:30.56 | The_Vaxorcist | :) |
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| 04:31.15 | Noodleman | bwahaha, tone generator program driving the dog nuts |
| 04:34.54 | Noodleman | i don't know what they are, but they were a horrible idea |
| 04:38.32 | JeffM2501 | it will make the code a little smaller, get rid of a couple of redundant switches, and let some code be shared |
| 04:38.46 | Noodleman | yes, bad idea |
| 04:38.49 | Noodleman | trust me |
| 04:38.54 | blast007 | hehe |
| 04:40.22 | JeffM2501 | but it may be C++ just for the sake of C++ |
| 04:40.32 | Noodleman | what? something about C++? bad |
| 04:52.57 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14036 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/ (bzfs.cxx bzfsClientMessages.cxx bzfsClientMessages.h): start moving message handlers into installed callbacks |
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| 04:59.11 | rob1n | Noodleman, !!! |
| 04:59.15 | rob1n | i haven't seen you in ages |
| 05:00.31 | Noodleman | been a long time since i've been on here regularly, hasn't it? |
| 05:02.27 | blast007 | yup :) |
| 05:04.25 | Noodleman | non-geeky interests have been keeping me captive for a while |
| 05:05.12 | daniel_jackson | like girls? |
| 05:05.20 | Noodleman | that's part of it |
| 05:05.26 | daniel_jackson | or work? |
| 05:06.36 | Noodleman | work will always be a factor |
| 05:07.00 | daniel_jackson | lol |
| 05:07.27 | daniel_jackson | well need to take off, I have some geeky things to do! lol |
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| 05:18.51 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r14037 10/trunk/bzflag/misc/checkToken.php: This function now returns an array that contains information gathered from the token validation process. Also runs a much improved check for groups. |
| 05:19.31 | blast007 | JeffM2501: I'll still need to add feedback in the event of errors, but it works better than the old one |
| 05:19.45 | Noodleman | blast007: bad idea |
| 05:19.58 | blast007 | hehehe |
| 05:20.02 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 05:20.06 | JeffM2501 | thanks :) |
| 05:20.09 | blast007 | np |
| 05:20.33 | blast007 | it even parses the username from the response, so I think that should get the proper casing |
| 05:20.53 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 05:21.05 | blast007 | hmm, guess not |
| 05:24.22 | Noodleman | i need l33t b33r, but i am br0x0rd |
| 05:26.50 | L4m3r | "The other day I was so desperate for a beer, I broke into the football stadium and ate the dirt under the bleachers." |
| 05:26.55 | L4m3r | -Homer Simpson |
| 05:27.03 | Noodleman | haha |
| 05:27.17 | Noodleman | well, homer simpson doesn't drink l33t b33r |
| 05:27.51 | Noodleman | there are only 2 types of l33t b33r that are readily available in my area |
| 05:28.16 | Noodleman | guinness and smithwick's |
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| 05:50.49 | purple_cow | hmm, l33t b33r |
| 05:51.10 | a_meteorite | how is l33t b33r special? |
| 05:51.24 | Noodleman | some beers are l33ter than others |
| 05:51.39 | a_meteorite | guess I wouldn't know :) |
| 05:51.56 | purple_cow | you can usually tell by whether or not you can see through them |
| 05:52.05 | Noodleman | exactly |
| 05:52.24 | Noodleman | a_meteorite: didn't stop me :-P |
| 05:52.29 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 05:57.42 | purple_cow | hmm, paid |
| 05:57.46 | purple_cow | that should be happening for me soon |
| 06:07.23 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14038 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/ (bzfs.cxx bzfs.h bzfsClientMessages.cxx bzfsClientMessages.h): more messages moved from big switch statements to protected callbacks. |
| 06:17.52 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14039 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/ (bzfs.cxx bzfsClientMessages.cxx bzfsClientMessages.h): more messages moved from big switch statements to protected callbacks. |
| 06:19.10 | JeffM2501 | then do all the unused vars for the nixers |
| 06:19.21 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: has all this network stuff broken proto yet? |
| 06:21.31 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 06:21.37 | a_meteorite | ah |
| 06:22.02 | JeffM2501 | just making it so it's nearly imposible to screw up geting a message in the server :) |
| 06:22.11 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 06:23.11 | JeffM2501 | and checking lengths, and making sure that the right messages have playerIDs and stuff |
| 06:23.40 | JeffM2501 | so all messages that have to do with a player, are sure to come from the player they are abbout. |
| 06:25.45 | JeffM2501 | mostly it gets rid of the 3 seperate switch statements needed to get a message unpacked right |
| 06:27.31 | JeffM2501 | but I'll have to finish it tomorow,I'm pooped |
| 06:27.46 | a_meteorite | code clean-ups are good :) |
| 06:27.59 | JeffM2501 | well clean is debateable to some people |
| 06:28.02 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 06:28.04 | JeffM2501 | I can't say the new code is faster |
| 06:28.04 | Noodleman | code cleanups: bad idea |
| 06:28.16 | JeffM2501 | its probably slightly slower |
| 06:28.22 | JeffM2501 | as a switch is faster then a map lookup |
| 06:28.48 | JeffM2501 | but it's not that masive of a list and the compares are fast so it should be fine |
| 06:29.49 | JeffM2501 | it's now also imposible to install a new message and have it get called before you are a player if it's not suposed to be. |
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| 13:13.49 | eTangenT | sorry for disappearing, guys |
| 13:13.53 | eTangenT | been installing Gentoo :) |
| 13:13.56 | eTangenT | and succeeded |
| 13:13.59 | eTangenT | now to get KDE on though |
| 13:14.18 | ts | eek KDE |
| 13:15.27 | eTangenT | what's wrong with KDE? |
| 13:15.33 | CBG | ewwwwwwww |
| 13:15.33 | eTangenT | I happen to like it FAR more than Gnome |
| 13:16.55 | eTangenT | ~lart CBG |
| 13:16.55 | ibot | pries CBG's back open with a screwdriver and flashes a new bootldr to CBG |
| 13:17.17 | daxxar | ~lart Gentoo |
| 13:17.17 | ibot | breaks out the Hoover and sucks up Gentoo |
| 13:17.33 | eTangenT | Gentoo is nice so far |
| 13:17.37 | eTangenT | no major problems |
| 13:17.41 | CBG | ~lart Debian for not wanting to install on my external HD |
| 13:17.41 | ibot | gives Debian an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending Debian to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple for not wanting to install on my external HD |
| 13:17.56 | CBG | well, actually. it does install... it's grub that is the problem |
| 13:18.00 | eTangenT | I gotta figure out why my console is so low-resolution |
| 13:18.11 | ts | eTangenT: KDE feels like Windows® |
| 13:18.22 | CBG | but it's not poo coloured ;) |
| 13:18.39 | eTangenT | ts: but I can make KDE look all cool, how I want ti |
| 13:18.43 | eTangenT | Windows I can make blow up |
| 13:19.02 | eTangenT | oh, how might I make it so taht I can run ifconfig/iwconfig as a user, not just root? |
| 13:19.13 | ts | eTangenT: Not really, you can change a bit but it never "feels" right for me |
| 13:19.33 | ts | Having KDE at the unversity I go, too :/ |
| 13:19.46 | eTangenT | haw |
| 13:20.18 | eTangenT | anyways |
| 13:20.25 | eTangenT | ifconfig/iwconfig... how to run as user? |
| 13:20.50 | CBG | #gentoo |
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| 13:21.04 | eTangenT | CBG, callate. |
| 13:21.14 | eTangenT | I'll google it in lynx then |
| 13:22.01 | CBG | eTangenT: this is the bzflag support channel, you're simply more likely to get help in #gentoo |
| 13:23.00 | eTangenT | CBG, I know. But I'd think someone here would know, so I thought I'd ask >D |
| 13:23.01 | eTangenT | er |
| 13:23.02 | eTangenT | :D |
| 13:23.29 | CBG | :P |
| 13:24.34 | eTangenT | I guess I could just use ifplugd |
| 13:25.27 | eTangenT | and my emerge of KDE/X/some libs is now at package 29 or 206 |
| 13:25.32 | eTangenT | of* |
| 13:26.02 | eTangenT | OH, that's why my external keyboard wasn't working |
| 13:26.05 | eTangenT | my hub wasn't on!!! |
| 13:26.29 | eTangenT | alright, good, now I can see this on my CRT, also |
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| 16:15.12 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/wiki/index.php/Getting_Help || http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9453 || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 || http://fisheye1.cenqua.com/browse/bzflag/bzflag || New WIKI! http://my.bzflag.org/w/ || Migrated from CVS to SVN: http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN || GSoC 4 slots: http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code#Program_Evaluation |
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| 16:19.04 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, I kept trying to send that guy an email but his ISP bounced me |
| 16:19.10 | JeffM2501 | mostly cus of the SF forwarder |
| 16:19.18 | JeffM2501 | then I sent him one directly but never got a responce. |
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| 16:21.38 | JeffM2501 | anyone know why an iterator to a std::map wouldn't have an irt->second? |
| 16:22.31 | JeffM2501 | wonder if I shoudln't be treating it as a pointer... |
| 16:22.45 | JeffM2501 | (*itr).second or something like that. |
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| 16:23.14 | donny_baker | welcome back Tedius :D |
| 16:23.20 | Tedius | heh, |
| 16:23.34 | Tedius | fixing my client to auto login |
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| 16:43.58 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14040 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: check to make sure that player is valid before we deref it. |
| 16:45.41 | JeffM2501 | ts, if that still crashes ya, I need to know what the message code is. |
| 16:47.07 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14041 10/trunk/bzflag/include/Protocol.h: WS |
| 17:04.32 | donny_baker | does http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/bzflag.html.gz this not work anymore? |
| 17:08.59 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r14042 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/ServerStartMenu.cxx: remove ancient and broken settings upgrade code |
| 17:09.25 | JeffM2501 | http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/#bzflag.html.gz |
| 17:09.34 | JeffM2501 | I guess |
| 17:09.41 | JeffM2501 | ibot has had some issues of late I think |
| 17:10.01 | JeffM2501 | and was upgraded |
| 17:14.31 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14043 10/trunk/bzflag/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 17:14.31 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: move more messages to callbacks. |
| 17:14.31 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: move freezeTag collision handler to it's own function so it's easier to add other reactions for other game modes. |
| 17:14.32 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: add an API event for collisions and let plug-ins override the default behavior. |
| 17:14.32 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: lots of whitespace |
| 17:17.37 | Erroneous | wow, JeffM2501 making whitespace changes (that don't say anything about cheese whiz)! |
| 17:17.49 | JeffM2501 | now that I can see it the right way |
| 17:17.53 | Erroneous | heh |
| 17:19.23 | JeffM2501 | I even documented the new API event |
| 17:21.50 | JeffM2501 | probably should move them to the wiki at some point |
| 17:22.18 | JeffM2501 | then just have a single thread we update with each new item as an annoucement. |
| 17:22.21 | *** topic/#bzflag by Erroneous -> http://BZFlag.org || http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/wiki/index.php/Getting_Help || http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9453 || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 || http://fisheye1.cenqua.com/browse/bzflag/bzflag || New WIKI! http://my.bzflag.org/w/ || Migrated from CVS to SVN: http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN || GSoC 4 slots: http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code#Program_Evaluation |
| 17:23.11 | *** topic/#bzflag by JeffM2501 -> http://BZFlag.org || http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help || http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9453 || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 || http://fisheye1.cenqua.com/browse/bzflag/bzflag || New WIKI! http://my.bzflag.org/w/ || Migrated from CVS to SVN: http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN || GSoC 4 slots: http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code#Program_Evaluation |
| 17:23.41 | JeffM2501 | since space IS limited there :) |
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| 17:46.22 | brlcad | JeffM2501: you were rather .. harsh :) |
| 17:46.31 | JeffM2501 | after the bounces, yes |
| 17:46.42 | JeffM2501 | I sent him another directly that was trying to be nicer |
| 17:47.07 | JeffM2501 | that one didn't bounce, but I haven't heard back yet |
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| 17:54.31 | Noodleman | mmoink |
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| 17:58.56 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14044 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/ (bzfs.cxx bzfsClientMessages.cxx bzfsClientMessages.h): more messages to callbacks. |
| 18:03.03 | ts | JeffM2501: Now client crashes: http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/438532 |
| 18:03.27 | JeffM2501 | umm.. where is that in? |
| 18:03.38 | JeffM2501 | your driver? |
| 18:04.38 | JeffM2501 | can you debug it and see at least what code it's in? |
| 18:04.38 | ts | Do you mean my grapics driver? |
| 18:04.38 | ts | It says FlagSceneNode.cxx:572 |
| 18:04.39 | JeffM2501 | my last change wasn't even WITH the client |
| 18:04.39 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 18:04.39 | JeffM2501 | kinda hard to see in there :) |
| 18:04.49 | ts | I have debug symbols :) |
| 18:04.56 | JeffM2501 | set color, what's wrong with that? |
| 18:05.14 | JeffM2501 | are the params good? |
| 18:06.35 | ts | trying to get the changes you made a few minutes ago, too |
| 18:06.44 | JeffM2501 | none of that should affect it |
| 18:06.47 | ts | JeffM2501: It works in v2_0branch, same settings |
| 18:07.08 | JeffM2501 | what does that have to do with it |
| 18:07.08 | JeffM2501 | we know we changed code |
| 18:07.08 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 18:07.13 | JeffM2501 | just need to find out what exactly is crashing |
| 18:07.24 | JeffM2501 | maybe a pack on the flags or game settings got messed up |
| 18:07.33 | ts | sigh, ok I'm launching gdb |
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| 18:08.12 | ts | oh, right |
| 18:08.31 | ts | I can use the script I updated few days ago :) |
| 18:09.08 | JeffM2501 | 9 more messages to go :) |
| 18:09.36 | ts | bzfquery.php stalls on server |
| 18:09.53 | JeffM2501 | is it updated to try the new way? |
| 18:09.54 | ts | and it is updated to work with 0048 |
| 18:10.08 | JeffM2501 | stalls a new server or an old server? |
| 18:10.22 | ts | the server my client crashes on (new) |
| 18:10.32 | JeffM2501 | it should not stall |
| 18:10.41 | JeffM2501 | new to new should be fine |
| 18:10.41 | ts | old servers work and it did work yesterday on new servers, too |
| 18:10.48 | JeffM2501 | if the update was correct |
| 18:10.52 | ts | now I get stall |
| 18:10.59 | JeffM2501 | then lets track it down |
| 18:11.19 | ts | How? |
| 18:11.20 | Guu | How is that make it a "masivly multiplayer online" game, ts |
| 18:11.47 | JeffM2501 | same way any software problem is tracked down, debugin |
| 18:12.07 | ts | right, but where can we start |
| 18:12.19 | JeffM2501 | at the beining :) |
| 18:12.22 | ts | I don't know how the networking code works |
| 18:12.22 | JeffM2501 | in the accept |
| 18:12.28 | JeffM2501 | it's just code |
| 18:12.33 | JeffM2501 | you learn it as you step |
| 18:13.07 | JeffM2501 | put a breakpoint in acceptClient in bzfs.cxx |
| 18:13.15 | JeffM2501 | then step on and see what ya get |
| 18:14.28 | blast007 | ts: I don't think I updated it for 0048 |
| 18:14.35 | blast007 | the bzfquery.php, that is |
| 18:14.45 | ts | blast007: http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/trunk/bzflag/misc/bzfquery.php?view=log |
| 18:15.09 | blast007 | ah |
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| 18:21.27 | ts | JeffM2501: I doubt I wil find out what is wrong when I do not know how it should behave |
| 18:21.57 | JeffM2501 | you have history |
| 18:22.06 | JeffM2501 | you have a working 2.0.x |
| 18:22.13 | JeffM2501 | but Understand, if your unwilling |
| 18:22.18 | JeffM2501 | I can look at it tonight |
| 18:22.40 | JeffM2501 | sorry, I understand if your unwilling |
| 18:25.54 | ts | It's not like I wouldn't like to help |
| 18:26.06 | ts | the problem is that I don't know what I am doing |
| 18:26.10 | JeffM2501 | then learn |
| 18:26.15 | JeffM2501 | you can learn by doing |
| 18:26.25 | JeffM2501 | how else will you become familiar with the code? |
| 18:26.29 | JeffM2501 | I'm here to help you |
| 18:26.35 | JeffM2501 | I'm not saying go off and just solve it |
| 18:26.42 | JeffM2501 | but I can't get to a place to dupe the problem |
| 18:26.44 | JeffM2501 | you can |
| 18:26.58 | JeffM2501 | you can put the breakpoints and we can work thru it |
| 18:27.34 | ts | I learn by looking at working code over several days, partly weeks |
| 18:27.52 | JeffM2501 | still you have to start somewhere |
| 18:27.54 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 18:29.23 | ts | all I see right now is it crashes after server tries to identify me |
| 18:29.43 | JeffM2501 | in the flag code? |
| 18:29.59 | ts | 2 times after acceptClient is passed |
| 18:30.11 | JeffM2501 | what code does it crash in? |
| 18:30.15 | JeffM2501 | what is bad that makes it crash? |
| 18:31.04 | ts | still flag scene node |
| 18:31.15 | ts | I do not see flags, either in radar |
| 18:31.16 | JeffM2501 | yes but what data is invalid that makes it crash? |
| 18:31.24 | ts | no idea.. |
| 18:31.28 | JeffM2501 | is something null? |
| 18:31.30 | JeffM2501 | nan? |
| 18:31.34 | JeffM2501 | is the THIS pointer ok? |
| 18:31.40 | JeffM2501 | basic debugin |
| 18:32.53 | ts | What do you mean? |
| 18:32.59 | JeffM2501 | crashes happen for a raeson |
| 18:33.03 | JeffM2501 | usualy memory related |
| 18:33.05 | JeffM2501 | right? |
| 18:33.15 | JeffM2501 | something has gone invalid or wrong |
| 18:33.27 | ts | I have experienced it often crashed for me in flagscenenode when something else was broken in the past |
| 18:33.29 | JeffM2501 | can you track the crash back to what caused it |
| 18:33.41 | JeffM2501 | then walk it up, and see what is invalid |
| 18:33.59 | JeffM2501 | I'm guessing a null or invalid pointer is used further up the stack |
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| 18:36.35 | ts | I don't even know where to search the problem..whether it is in server or in client |
| 18:37.30 | JeffM2501 | I'm not asking you to find the real problem |
| 18:37.37 | JeffM2501 | just what is causing your client code to crash |
| 18:37.43 | blast007 | well, the client is crashing, so even if the server is sending the bad data, the client should not crash |
| 18:37.55 | JeffM2501 | the server can not make code crash with out bad data, or a bug on the client |
| 18:37.55 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 18:38.20 | JeffM2501 | yeah just step back thru your callstack, seting breakpoints |
| 18:38.26 | JeffM2501 | and see when it looks like it's gonna crash |
| 18:38.31 | JeffM2501 | looking at the stack |
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| 18:48.05 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14045 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/ (bzfs.cxx bzfs.h bzfsClientMessages.cxx bzfsClientMessages.h): move the last of the net messages into the callbacks. |
| 18:52.26 | ts | seems like the client problem starts in World.cxx:673 |
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| 18:54.25 | KTL | memory hell |
| 18:54.54 | KTL | my condolences :) |
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| 19:42.50 | blast007 | hello GrandHustla |
| 19:42.51 | JeffM2501 | ts, does any of the world data seem mispacked? |
| 19:43.03 | Erroneous | ts: flag index look ok? |
| 19:43.20 | GrandHustla | hey blast |
| 19:43.30 | JeffM2501 | check the world settings too, I changed how that is allocated |
| 19:46.55 | ts | Already late here..I'm rather going to bed now |
| 19:47.05 | JeffM2501 | see ya later |
| 19:49.06 | Erroneous | could be a message order problem; flagnodes might not be initialized yet if a flag update is received before a the world get |
| 19:49.30 | Erroneous | that "shouldn't" be possible though |
| 19:49.41 | Erroneous | sound like anything you may have changed? |
| 19:49.49 | JeffM2501 | have to do with worldSettings? |
| 19:50.06 | JeffM2501 | I made that be loaded only when first sent |
| 19:50.17 | Erroneous | what's in worldsettings? |
| 19:50.21 | JeffM2501 | lots of stuff |
| 19:50.25 | JeffM2501 | one sec |
| 19:50.27 | Erroneous | max flag count? |
| 19:50.31 | Erroneous | that'd do it |
| 19:50.53 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 19:50.55 | Erroneous | yup, numflags |
| 19:50.55 | JeffM2501 | easy to fix |
| 19:51.06 | JeffM2501 | I was iffy on that one |
| 19:51.22 | JeffM2501 | what file? |
| 19:51.22 | Guu | I guess what file is that, JeffM2501 |
| 19:51.30 | Erroneous | makeGameSettings, bzfs.cxx |
| 19:51.32 | JeffM2501 | guu shuddup |
| 19:51.33 | Guu | Dunno, JeffM2501. |
| 19:52.26 | Erroneous | hm, someone ought to yank the old synctime int from world settings too |
| 19:52.40 | Erroneous | since we've broken protocol |
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| 19:57.14 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14046 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/ (6 files): make sure the world settings are packed at the game start. |
| 19:57.19 | Erroneous | wtf, that has got to be wrong |
| 19:57.36 | Erroneous | we pack the player slot, and the client unpacks it as maxPlayers |
| 19:57.42 | a_meteorite | heh.. |
| 19:57.45 | JeffM2501 | for what? |
| 19:58.12 | Erroneous | ahh |
| 19:58.19 | Erroneous | that's a terrible variable name |
| 19:58.47 | Erroneous | static const int PlayerSlot = MaxPlayers + ReplayObservers |
| 19:59.08 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 20:00.00 | Erroneous | heh...and then the client hardcodes it to 216 and ignores it anyway |
| 20:00.20 | Erroneous | wow |
| 20:00.23 | Erroneous | special |
| 20:02.34 | Erroneous | this stuff is bizarre |
| 20:03.00 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14047 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: instead of packing up a new cap message for each player, just broadcast caps on all team flags at the end of a countdown, that way SSPs get the cap too. |
| 20:05.44 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14048 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: use the timeUpdate function instead of having everyone pack there own messages. |
| 20:05.56 | JeffM2501 | and that should get all the packs out of the bzfs.cxx :) |
| 20:06.14 | JeffM2501 | and the only unpacks left are the ones for the common BZFS proto headers ( code and len ) |
| 20:07.31 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14049 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: countdown doesn't need a direct message buffer anymore since it doesn't send direct messages. |
| 20:09.10 | KTL | cheater godmode "Arnold" @ purplepanzer.no-ip.info |
| 20:14.50 | a_temp_dist | IPINFO: Arnold from: 68.105.98.187 (join) - that looks familiar... |
| 20:14.58 | a_meteorite | crw match? |
| 20:15.00 | a_meteorite | yeah.. |
| 20:15.43 | KTL | not really a very active player |
| 20:16.40 | a_temp_dist | KTL, thx for the headsup |
| 20:17.05 | KTL | np, bad hacks are just bad hacks :D |
| 20:18.45 | KTL | ah that is how you did it :D |
| 20:18.45 | KTL | old skool |
| 20:18.45 | a_meteorite | yeah, that's me |
| 20:23.54 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r14050 10/trunk/bzflag/src/ (3 files in 3 dirs): remove old epoch int from MsgGameSettings. protocol -> 0049. |
| 20:28.29 | TheRedBaron | just out of curiosity, why does the polling system not allow unreg players to vote? |
| 20:28.52 | KTL | the hacker could join with an army? |
| 20:28.54 | blast007 | TheRedBaron: cuz then someone could fire up a botnet :P |
| 20:29.15 | a_meteorite | you CAN allow them too |
| 20:29.17 | TheRedBaron | blast007: aren't their measures in place already? |
| 20:29.24 | TheRedBaron | blast007: to prevent that |
| 20:29.26 | blast007 | TheRedBaron: measures? no |
| 20:29.28 | a_meteorite | but no one in their right mind running a server will allow it |
| 20:29.37 | a_meteorite | well, except halo3.. |
| 20:29.40 | blast007 | there is nothing to prevent a user from running multiple clients |
| 20:29.58 | blast007 | a_meteorite: right, "no one in their right mind" |
| 20:29.59 | TheRedBaron | blast007: correct - but don't the servers block -solo? |
| 20:30.11 | a_meteorite | you don't have to join with -solo |
| 20:30.12 | blast007 | TheRedBaron: I didn't say anything about -solo |
| 20:30.23 | a_meteorite | you can fire up multiple clients, or multiple bzadmins |
| 20:30.23 | blast007 | TheRedBaron: go look up the term "botnet" |
| 20:30.31 | a_meteorite | or yeah, that |
| 20:30.53 | a_meteorite | use a script to recursively join until server is full, then send poll commands |
| 20:30.57 | Erroneous | it's easy enough to add poll permissions to everyone if you want |
| 20:31.06 | Erroneous | it's not really a sane default though |
| 20:31.09 | KTL | got an idea... the radar, the height indication, it can be really difficult to distinguish heights quickly ... my suggestion: some math to fit the size of the tank-box |
| 20:31.14 | KTL | a atan could work |
| 20:31.20 | KTL | http://www.mathworks.com/access/helpdesk/help/techdoc/ref/atan.gif |
| 20:31.37 | KTL | the difference in height between the other players and the own tank |
| 20:31.42 | blast007 | KTL: the radar should actually be less useful |
| 20:31.48 | TheRedBaron | ~lart blast007 |
| 20:31.48 | ibot | runs at blast007 with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut |
| 20:31.51 | blast007 | ;) |
| 20:31.53 | KTL | 8x |
| 20:31.58 | TheRedBaron | blast007: heretic! |
| 20:32.02 | Erroneous | oh, great, *this* flamewar again |
| 20:32.05 | KTL | idd |
| 20:34.46 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14051 10/trunk/bzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): do DR on shots |
| 20:36.09 | a_meteorite | :D |
| 20:39.23 | TheRedBaron | they aren't |
| 20:39.29 | Winny | oh dear... |
| 20:39.40 | JeffM2501 | I'll be making a change to radar soon |
| 20:39.47 | a_meteorite | eh.. |
| 20:39.50 | KTL | euhm in what way??? |
| 20:39.52 | a_meteorite | what kind of "change"? |
| 20:39.53 | TheRedBaron | they are all heretics |
| 20:39.59 | KTL | otherwise i keep my old client ! |
| 20:40.04 | JeffM2501 | spliting out radar updates from player updates |
| 20:40.14 | JeffM2501 | and compressing and packing the radar updates |
| 20:40.14 | a_meteorite | oh, that's a good thing |
| 20:40.22 | JeffM2501 | they don't need full resolutiopn |
| 20:40.36 | JeffM2501 | so we can send out less of them |
| 20:40.46 | JeffM2501 | and not send updates for Stealth |
| 20:40.47 | a_meteorite | I wonder what all these new network things will do to bandwidth requirements |
| 20:40.55 | JeffM2501 | and not send visable updates for Cloak |
| 20:41.09 | JeffM2501 | we loose some in some places |
| 20:41.13 | JeffM2501 | and gain some in others. |
| 20:41.16 | Winny | Jeff, when you say "lower resolution", will that effect the bullet accuracy on radar? |
| 20:41.18 | KTL | but the client still knows the bullets from the st |
| 20:42.08 | JeffM2501 | Winny, not that you'd realy see |
| 20:42.26 | JeffM2501 | at max size the radar is what 2000 pixels wide? |
| 20:42.43 | Winny | probably more like ~800 |
| 20:42.44 | JeffM2501 | if I take that down to a short per axis that's += 32,000 |
| 20:42.51 | KTL | so it should only send visable updates from st when the client actually points towards the st's direction ... otherwise a hacker can still use the visable updates to know the st |
| 20:42.51 | JeffM2501 | still well enough for pixel res |
| 20:43.02 | JeffM2501 | KTL, that is a posibility |
| 20:43.13 | JeffM2501 | yeah they could rehack the radar, but they'd have to write a lot more code |
| 20:43.24 | JeffM2501 | just makes it harder to keep up |
| 20:43.38 | JeffM2501 | also means we can send out less updates for 3d tanks that are farther away |
| 20:43.57 | a_meteorite | that could be quite useful on large maps |
| 20:43.58 | JeffM2501 | yet still show them on radar with a reduced bandwith cost |
| 20:44.00 | KTL | but still, about my atan, I do not consider it a luxury, more a necessity |
| 20:44.00 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 20:44.19 | JeffM2501 | I would like to make other radar changes, we'll see if I can get them :) |
| 20:44.53 | JeffM2501 | by spliting them out we can have plugins decide what to put in the updates and try difrent radar methods, with out needing to update the client |
| 20:45.04 | a_meteorite | sweet |
| 20:45.09 | KTL | ah btw the own client information, what is the scope of it? can i get my own position from within the RadarRenderer::drawTank method? |
| 20:45.11 | JeffM2501 | such as the radar being blocked by objects |
| 20:45.22 | blast007 | JeffM2501: might still need visual updates for cloak (tread marks, unless we want to ditch those for CL) |
| 20:45.29 | JeffM2501 | blast007, I think we should |
| 20:45.42 | JeffM2501 | put it back like it was before |
| 20:45.46 | blast007 | k |
| 20:45.51 | JeffM2501 | KTL, I don't understand the question |
| 20:46.42 | KTL | euhm i have the code in front of me, how can i know my own position? mmm i could grep on static |
| 20:46.58 | JeffM2501 | most people just grab myTank |
| 20:47.06 | JeffM2501 | and verify that it's a real tank |
| 20:47.28 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, remember if you want a top view game, you can get it with the external camera in 2.2 |
| 20:47.43 | blast007 | external camera? |
| 20:47.50 | JeffM2501 | 3rd person |
| 20:47.52 | a_meteorite | external camera? |
| 20:47.52 | blast007 | brings me back to the days of BZFlag XL then |
| 20:48.00 | a_meteorite | 3rd person? when did THAT happen? |
| 20:48.01 | blast007 | "that's cheating!" |
| 20:48.10 | JeffM2501 | like last year |
| 20:48.16 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: evil! |
| 20:48.21 | JeffM2501 | you can't move it in game |
| 20:48.26 | TheRedBaron | I don't what a 3rd person shooter |
| 20:48.29 | JeffM2501 | and it has to face some forward direction |
| 20:48.29 | TheRedBaron | *want |
| 20:48.40 | TheRedBaron | I want a radar! |
| 20:48.40 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron yes you do, you want a top down view only |
| 20:48.49 | JeffM2501 | you've asked for that many times |
| 20:49.09 | JeffM2501 | now you can get that in the main view |
| 20:49.16 | JeffM2501 | a radar like top down view |
| 20:49.29 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: I've never asked for a top down view. |
| 20:49.36 | JeffM2501 | that's what radar IS |
| 20:49.49 | TheRedBaron | thats the perspective of the radar :) |
| 20:49.52 | KTL | mmm ... ... for the whole map |
| 20:49.54 | TheRedBaron | the radar just isn't a top down view :) |
| 20:49.57 | KTL | on all heights |
| 20:50.06 | JeffM2501 | what else is it? |
| 20:50.09 | KTL | through all kinds of floors |
| 20:50.21 | KTL | the radar is the main input |
| 20:50.28 | JeffM2501 | it should not be |
| 20:50.30 | KTL | the key to controlling the map |
| 20:50.49 | a_meteorite | same |
| 20:50.50 | JeffM2501 | it's an omipotent view |
| 20:51.01 | KTL | it allows me to read the mind of stealth units |
| 20:51.03 | JeffM2501 | tho that's the wrong word |
| 20:51.20 | KTL | it allows a good ricochet which is one of the main features of the gameplay |
| 20:51.43 | JeffM2501 | then the game should be 2d combat with a small 3d view ;) |
| 20:51.50 | KTL | :D |
| 20:51.57 | JeffM2501 | go look at the radar in battlezone |
| 20:52.02 | JeffM2501 | it ain't what we have |
| 20:52.08 | JeffM2501 | what we have is a huge crutch |
| 20:52.24 | TheRedBaron | what we have, is a radar unlike any other FPS out there |
| 20:52.30 | TheRedBaron | we are unique! |
| 20:52.47 | JeffM2501 | cus it's a filtered top view |
| 20:53.00 | JeffM2501 | yeah most other FPSs don't have radar :) |
| 20:53.15 | JeffM2501 | but realy this first set of changes won't be much difrent from what you have now, if anthing at all |
| 20:53.23 | JeffM2501 | it'll just open the door for some other stuff later |
| 20:53.31 | JeffM2501 | and maybe make it a little harder to cheat |
| 20:53.53 | JeffM2501 | and let us do biger worlds |
| 20:53.53 | TheRedBaron | unlocking the door, inviting heresy! |
| 20:54.44 | JeffM2501 | I'm thinking I'll pack it up as 2 shorts for X and Y a char for Z and a char for alpha |
| 20:55.06 | KTL | the radar becomes a bitmap??? |
| 20:55.17 | JeffM2501 | that takes it down to 7 bytes counting the palyer ID, I can pack a lot of those into a message. |
| 20:55.26 | JeffM2501 | KTL, huh? |
| 20:57.58 | JeffM2501 | it's drawn as openGL |
| 20:58.02 | JeffM2501 | so it can have alpha |
| 20:58.17 | JeffM2501 | that way we can fade em out on distance or stuff |
| 20:58.25 | KTL | and the client allready knows the color ah |
| 20:58.25 | JeffM2501 | if we want to later |
| 20:58.31 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:59.10 | JeffM2501 | and since the tanks move relitivly slow, I can send out radar updates like every couple seconds and the DR will be fine |
| 20:59.28 | JeffM2501 | ahh I'll ahve to send DR vectors as well so 3 more bytes |
| 20:59.52 | JeffM2501 | instead of sending out every player many times per second posibly |
| 21:01.54 | JeffM2501 | well that's the entire point of doing server side shot tracking to verify stuff :) |
| 21:02.11 | JeffM2501 | gotta work some wacky code out for agility tho :( |
| 21:09.18 | KTL | JeffM2501, cannot find install-sh or install.sh in misc "."/misc, how do i compile this on debian? |
| 21:09.34 | JeffM2501 | compile what? |
| 21:09.39 | JeffM2501 | you making a package? |
| 21:09.43 | JeffM2501 | or just building? |
| 21:09.48 | KTL | euhm just building |
| 21:09.50 | JeffM2501 | make |
| 21:09.52 | JeffM2501 | make install |
| 21:10.00 | KTL | there is no makefile yet |
| 21:10.06 | JeffM2501 | autogen.sh |
| 21:10.06 | KTL | the error is at ./configure |
| 21:10.10 | KTL | done allready |
| 21:10.13 | JeffM2501 | then configure |
| 21:10.21 | JeffM2501 | you get a full tree? |
| 21:10.25 | KTL | ./configure |
| 21:10.25 | KTL | configure: error: cannot find install-sh or install.sh in misc "."/misc |
| 21:10.39 | KTL | might be only the cvs module "bzflag" |
| 21:10.59 | JeffM2501 | CVS? |
| 21:10.59 | Guu | hmm... CVS is already updated btw, JeffM2501 |
| 21:11.00 | brlcad | sounds like autogen.sh didn't succeed |
| 21:16.03 | JeffM2501 | why are you using SVN? |
| 21:16.03 | JeffM2501 | and yeah did autogen finish? |
| 21:16.03 | JeffM2501 | you have current automake and autoconf? |
| 21:16.03 | brlcad | KTL: ./autogen.sh --verbose |
| 21:16.04 | JeffM2501 | don't use CVS |
| 21:16.04 | JeffM2501 | CVS is DEAD |
| 21:16.04 | JeffM2501 | use subversion |
| 21:16.04 | KTL | right! |
| 21:16.04 | brlcad | though it shouldn't matter a whole lot for v2_0branch sources |
| 21:16.04 | JeffM2501 | probalby not |
| 21:16.04 | JeffM2501 | but still best to get swaped first |
| 21:16.05 | brlcad | Guu: responding unprompted? |
| 21:16.05 | Guu | I don't have a clue, brlcad. |
| 21:16.05 | a_meteorite | I'm building SVN 2.1 now |
| 21:16.05 | JeffM2501 | the only mention of the install is in the maintainerclean |
| 21:16.05 | JeffM2501 | yeah she is |
| 21:16.05 | brlcad | a_meteorite: there's a package installer |
| 21:16.05 | a_meteorite | brlcad: hmm? I want to see the latest changes |
| 21:16.05 | a_meteorite | I'm used to building by source as well |
| 21:16.05 | brlcad | ah, I thought you meant you were compiling svn |
| 21:16.06 | a_meteorite | ah heh |
| 21:16.06 | JeffM2501 | awww yeah.. 86 errors :) |
| 21:16.06 | JeffM2501 | cannot convert a timekeeper to a float :) |
| 21:20.43 | *** join/#bzflag Constitution (n=Constitu@gateway.pct.civiltec.com) |
| 21:27.09 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14052 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/ (11 files): have all local shots do there computations using the server start time, so they match the one true gamestate. |
| 21:28.37 | KTL | fresh client looks nice euhm ... the servers protocol id and the clients protocol id don't match yet |
| 21:31.34 | *** join/#bzflag Hannibal (n=aaronsal@pool-71-113-209-249.herntx.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 21:31.40 | a_meteorite | heh, just started a new server |
| 21:31.56 | a_meteorite | the work is definitely in progress :) |
| 21:32.34 | Constitution | yeah that would do it |
| 21:33.36 | a_meteorite | the "BZFX :: 2.1 Test Server" one |
| 21:33.38 | KTL | cant get it working on a single screen, nvidia twinview |
| 21:34.08 | KTL | yes |
| 21:34.42 | KTL | you did |
| 21:34.45 | KTL | no bullets |
| 21:34.46 | JeffM2501 | whoot |
| 21:34.47 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 21:35.28 | KTL | server down... |
| 21:36.39 | a_meteorite | hmm, I can join fine |
| 21:36.46 | a_meteorite | but probably crashed.. |
| 21:37.03 | a_meteorite | yeah it did |
| 21:37.14 | KTL | :) |
| 21:38.29 | *** part/#bzflag donny_baker (n=donny_ba@about/essy/vvvvv/donnybaker) |
| 21:38.40 | JeffM2501 | hmm, I'd have to step in and debug it. it must be in the shot strat |
| 21:38.57 | KTL | the background improved |
| 21:39.34 | *** join/#bzflag poolio (n=poolio@c-69-251-3-107.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 21:45.02 | KTL | ah it works |
| 21:46.00 | KTL | can not pick up flags either |
| 21:51.18 | ruskie | hmm does bzflag respect the HTTP_PROXY and such env vars? |
| 21:52.57 | brlcad | we don't give no respect |
| 21:53.29 | blast007 | even if it did, unlikely to do much good |
| 21:53.42 | blast007 | you'd be able to get the list, but auth wouldn't work |
| 21:53.53 | blast007 | (different IP than the one you're joining the game from) |
| 21:54.21 | KTL | how ... with 2 screens ... i could put the radar fullscreen :D |
| 21:54.45 | brlcad | KTL: that's not presently possible without code changes |
| 21:55.20 | brlcad | would be sweet though if someone(tm) worked on that |
| 21:56.13 | KTL | anyway, the latest client, i use it in a window |
| 21:56.23 | KTL | because i can not get it fullscreen for one screen |
| 21:56.40 | KTL | but the svn client, i can not get the window in the correct size it seems |
| 21:58.05 | KTL | x11 allowed me to resize it now, not ingame |
| 21:58.14 | blast007 | KTL: you using this? bzflag -window 1024x768 (for example) |
| 21:58.32 | ruskie | yeah fullscreen with xinerama doesn't work that well here as well |
| 21:58.44 | KTL | that works, thanks, with the old client i did not have to do that for some reason |
| 21:58.54 | JeffM2501 | one should not play games via proxy :) |
| 21:59.03 | blast007 | KTL: the old client had -window -geometry 1024x768 |
| 21:59.09 | ruskie | JeffM2501, just curious since I have all proxied via tor |
| 21:59.15 | KTL | my screen resolution is larger |
| 21:59.15 | ruskie | and I have those env vars set |
| 21:59.22 | JeffM2501 | we won't use em |
| 21:59.35 | blast007 | ruskie: wow, that must be fun.... and slow |
| 21:59.42 | JeffM2501 | KTL, you can do -window 1024x768 |
| 21:59.48 | JeffM2501 | window takes the geo params now |
| 21:59.52 | JeffM2501 | but geo still exists |
| 21:59.56 | ruskie | blast007, not really |
| 21:59.59 | JeffM2501 | ruskie, TCP only |
| 22:00.01 | JeffM2501 | has to suck |
| 22:00.08 | JeffM2501 | why do you need to use tor to play a game? |
| 22:00.11 | blast007 | I mean even for web stuff, it's slow |
| 22:00.13 | ruskie | I don't |
| 22:00.19 | JeffM2501 | your goverment dosn't allow you that freedom? |
| 22:00.35 | JeffM2501 | then why use tor to play games? |
| 22:00.36 | ruskie | but I have those vars exported and I was just curious if the game uses them or not |
| 22:00.40 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 22:00.42 | JeffM2501 | no we will not |
| 22:00.43 | ruskie | which might explain why auth takes a bit long |
| 22:00.53 | blast007 | ruskie: does auth still work though? |
| 22:00.56 | ruskie | yup |
| 22:01.03 | blast007 | then it isn't using it |
| 22:01.10 | blast007 | we compare the IP |
| 22:01.57 | ruskie | I use tor for privacy nothing much else |
| 22:02.10 | JeffM2501 | suuuuuurrrrreeeeeeeeeeee you do |
| 22:02.15 | blast007 | heh |
| 22:02.28 | ruskie | lol |
| 22:02.45 | ruskie | noticed there's such a plugin :) |
| 22:03.42 | Chestal | I wonder if the tor endpoints (whatever they are called) do a lot of logging and data mining :-) |
| 22:03.43 | Chestal | I don't trust it |
| 22:03.57 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's ripe for abbuse in and out of it |
| 22:03.58 | Erroneous | Chestal: tor is designed to work even if the exit node is compromised |
| 22:04.16 | Erroneous | basically it just pushes the "real exit node" one further back |
| 22:04.34 | Erroneous | like peeling the outer layer off of an onion |
| 22:04.35 | JeffM2501 | how do they know it's compromised tho? |
| 22:04.44 | Erroneous | they don't, it doesn't matter |
| 22:04.57 | *** join/#bzflag TD-Linux (n=TD-Linux@about/essy/indecisive/TD-Linux) |
| 22:05.00 | Chestal | stil, I would only use it for very special cases |
| 22:05.03 | ruskie | there can be N in-between nodes |
| 22:05.19 | JeffM2501 | still you can skim usernames and passwords out of it I'd think |
| 22:05.23 | JeffM2501 | if your in the network |
| 22:06.00 | Erroneous | if you're stupid enough to send usernames and passwords in plaintext over a public onion routing network, you deserve what you get :) |
| 22:06.17 | blast007 | but doesn't the exit node see the unencrypted data? |
| 22:06.29 | *** join/#bzflag rob1n (n=rob1n@unaffiliated/rob1n) |
| 22:06.42 | KTL | mmm the first time i try to connect to the server there is a error |
| 22:06.48 | Erroneous | blast007: tor is not for security, it's for anonymity |
| 22:06.53 | KTL | Unexpected: localhost:5154. Server must go after all options. |
| 22:07.04 | blast007 | Erroneous: I suppose |
| 22:07.06 | JeffM2501 | KTL, how are you connecting? |
| 22:07.10 | Erroneous | if you want security you need an additional layer, which is likely to compromise your anonymity |
| 22:07.11 | KTL | to localhost |
| 22:07.23 | JeffM2501 | KTL, via menu or command line? |
| 22:07.28 | KTL | menu |
| 22:07.30 | ruskie | yup |
| 22:07.31 | ruskie | i.e. https over tor |
| 22:07.37 | KTL | ah wait |
| 22:07.41 | JeffM2501 | where do you see that error? |
| 22:08.16 | KTL | command line fails sometimes |
| 22:08.24 | KTL | euhm i start the client from the command line |
| 22:08.30 | brlcad | JeffM2501: he made the patch :) |
| 22:08.42 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, cool |
| 22:09.01 | JeffM2501 | KTL, but do you put the server in the command line |
| 22:09.26 | KTL | if i do not put the server in the command line everything seems to be ok |
| 22:09.44 | JeffM2501 | then our command line just changed that's all |
| 22:10.20 | blast007 | KTL: are you placing the server at the end of the line? |
| 22:10.57 | KTL | ./src/bzflag/bzflag localhost:5154 |
| 22:10.57 | KTL | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.48 | Chestal | ./ abuse detected :-) |
| 22:12.00 | KTL | lol |
| 22:12.09 | Chestal | only cat abuse is worse ;-) |
| 22:12.40 | Chestal | KTL: and if you just start it and connect via the menu (withotu serverlist) it works? |
| 22:13.33 | KTL | i've seen it fail there too randomly, testing |
| 22:14.08 | JeffM2501 | I've gone over the shot time changes, and they look fine, it's all using server time now, but it's the same old code |
| 22:14.11 | KTL | i just had 2 times were the command line arg did not result in a connection, on both cases i could not connect to localhost via the menu either |
| 22:14.55 | KTL | by going to the server list however, selecting myself... i could get in |
| 22:14.58 | KTL | wacko |
| 22:16.46 | KTL | everytime the command line arg fails, then the menu will fail too, but after using the server list it will work again |
| 22:17.52 | KTL | so random i'm afraid it's memory related |
| 22:18.17 | *** join/#bzflag Daveman (n=dave@pool-141-150-73-250.mad.east.verizon.net) |
| 22:18.58 | JeffM2501 | or I'm not giving it enough time to send out the magic word |
| 22:19.11 | *** join/#bzflag poolio_ (n=poolio@c-69-251-3-107.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 22:21.03 | JeffM2501 | I did set some arbitrarily small time on the select to pop out the connect string |
| 22:21.06 | Daveman | open sesame? |
| 22:21.33 | KTL | i can edit and recompile ... |
| 22:22.25 | *** join/#bzflag a_temp_dist (n=a_temp_d@about/essy/alarming/a-temp-dist) |
| 22:22.34 | JeffM2501 | oh it's 5 seconds, nevermine |
| 22:29.54 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14053 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/ (GuidedMissleStrategy.cxx Player.cxx ShotPath.cxx): don't DR the shots when we get them, the strat will use the server time, so it'll be comped as it walks the shotpath. |
| 22:30.08 | *** join/#bzflag hobbsc (n=hobbsc@ip70-178-55-100.ks.ks.cox.net) |
| 22:31.48 | KTL | is there a latency for the svn ? |
| 22:32.03 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 22:32.14 | a_meteorite | I'm already recompiling :) |
| 22:32.19 | KTL | svn update ... should give me that change mmm ... |
| 22:32.26 | a_meteorite | instantaneous updates is really nice |
| 22:32.36 | KTL | a_meteorite, did you do make clean ? |
| 22:32.37 | brlcad | even cvs is sync'd now |
| 22:32.56 | a_meteorite | yay shots are fixed |
| 22:32.56 | *** join/#bzflag lodxcol (n=lodxcol@unaffiliated/lodxcol) |
| 22:32.57 | brlcad | (not with svn, I mean sf service in general) |
| 22:32.59 | a_meteorite | KTL: no |
| 22:33.14 | JeffM2501 | that fixed the shots?!?! |
| 22:33.21 | JeffM2501 | it would have DRed em by 0 |
| 22:33.26 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 22:33.28 | KTL | ah it is ok :) |
| 22:33.40 | JeffM2501 | makes no sense, but whatever works |
| 22:33.44 | JeffM2501 | check remote shots for me |
| 22:34.45 | a_meteorite | KTL: join please? |
| 22:34.53 | a_meteorite | local shots work now, I'm testing remote.. |
| 22:35.14 | JeffM2501 | remotes use the same code, they will just have a dif between start and current |
| 22:35.48 | JeffM2501 | 2.1 may seem like the shots are "shorter" by the lag time, but that's just because they are now the same on every machine:) |
| 22:35.55 | KTL | you are nr |
| 22:36.05 | a_meteorite | I think it's a server problem, |
| 22:36.10 | JeffM2501 | if all is working well they woudl all be at the same place on everyone's screen at the same time |
| 22:36.27 | a_meteorite | yeah, bzfs is pretty unstable.. |
| 22:36.41 | JeffM2501 | you should run in a debuger |
| 22:36.42 | KTL | the nr was after i shot myself, not sure if that was the cause |
| 22:36.43 | JeffM2501 | see where it crashes |
| 22:36.52 | a_meteorite | KTL: rejoin? |
| 22:36.57 | KTL | coming |
| 22:37.24 | a_meteorite | KTL: did it go NR when you shot? |
| 22:37.39 | a_meteorite | cause we can still talk to each other, so the server isn't *crashing* |
| 22:38.07 | a_meteorite | yeah, the server isn't crashing. it just goes NR :) |
| 22:40.36 | KTL | mmm |
| 22:40.51 | KTL | ah i saw something nr after your selfblow |
| 22:40.58 | a_meteorite | yeah, same with you |
| 22:41.09 | a_meteorite | I really don't know how to step through the code in gdb.. |
| 22:41.31 | KTL | is it compiled with -g to start with |
| 22:42.10 | a_meteorite | I compiled with --enable-debug |
| 22:43.35 | JeffM2501 | if it's not crashing don't worry |
| 22:43.56 | JeffM2501 | I'll run one when I get home and we can see what the deal is |
| 22:44.04 | JeffM2501 | probably missed a message or an event or something |
| 22:44.24 | a_meteorite | yeah, definitely not crashing, but albeit weird :) |
| 22:44.41 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14054 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/ (6 files): don't use the synced clock in the actual shot path, so we can move it over to the server in a bit. |
| 22:46.57 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14055 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/GuidedMissleStrategy.cxx: gm puffs should be based off of the current time in the path so they can be run on the server |
| 22:50.47 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r14056 10/branches/v2_0_cs_branch/bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: Allowing world save |
| 22:52.32 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r14057 10/branches/v2_0_cs_branch/bzflag/data/tank.xml: Took data from the models/tank/high(*).cxx |
| 22:53.21 | TD-Linux | gm puffs on the server? |
| 22:54.15 | JeffM2501 | it wont' do them, it just can't call a client time funciton for them |
| 22:59.09 | *** join/#bzflag BZ_Win (n=kylevane@CPE0016b6de59f3-CM000f9fac8236.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 23:00.32 | chillin | lol, i stole l4m3r |
| 23:00.34 | chillin | 's |
| 23:00.35 | chillin | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:01.33 | chillin | hi winny, you girl |
| 23:02.25 | Winny | ugh |
| 23:02.58 | JeffM2501 | l4m3r may get upset over that |
| 23:03.02 | JeffM2501 | the poking |
| 23:03.05 | JeffM2501 | not the stealing |
| 23:03.15 | chillin | haha |
| 23:03.18 | Winny | hehe |
| 23:03.21 | chillin | it's ok, he knows i'm straight :P |
| 23:03.32 | JeffM2501 | winny isn't a girl |
| 23:03.39 | JeffM2501 | tho he screams like one sometimes |
| 23:03.56 | Winny | when do I sscream? |
| 23:04.08 | Winny | I Debate ;) |
| 23:04.24 | chillin | rofl, JeffM2501 |
| 23:20.34 | brlcad | hello chillin |
| 23:20.47 | chillin | hiya brlcad |
| 23:20.47 | *** join/#bzflag spldart (n=troublem@cpe-24-28-107-184.houston.res.rr.com) |
| 23:21.20 | brlcad | so you're going to make sure chris works hard this summer right? :) |
| 23:21.39 | brlcad | (i.e. no naggings) *ahem* |
| 23:21.46 | brlcad | =) |
| 23:23.04 | KTL | mmm are the bots (-solo int) supposed to work by default for the svn ? (segfault) |
| 23:23.46 | Epyon | evenin' all :) |
| 23:23.59 | KTL | :) |
| 23:24.46 | brlcad | howdy Epyon |
| 23:25.08 | brlcad | KTL: they weren't supposed to be outright disabled, but there have been several changes |
| 23:25.20 | brlcad | and regardless.. it shouldn't crash |
| 23:25.29 | JeffM2501 | oh they busted |
| 23:25.35 | JeffM2501 | been busted for ages |
| 23:25.54 | KTL | i am going to patch a v2 clients radar to see my atan work |
| 23:26.05 | JeffM2501 | atan? |
| 23:26.06 | a_meteorite | atan? |
| 23:26.14 | KTL | euhm the box around tanks on radar |
| 23:26.41 | a_meteorite | me and jeff think alike sometimes... :) |
| 23:26.47 | JeffM2501 | what box? |
| 23:26.54 | JeffM2501 | the box that is the tank representation? |
| 23:26.59 | KTL | i euhm want to use a antitangens to make the other tanks boxsize on radar relative to my own boxsize, but not linear |
| 23:27.07 | KTL | so euhm tanks very very high |
| 23:27.16 | a_temp_dist | euhm? |
| 23:27.19 | KTL | their box size will be a constant factor larger then my own |
| 23:27.23 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 23:27.28 | KTL | and tanks very low the same |
| 23:27.45 | KTL | well... i find it difficult to know the height of the tanks around me |
| 23:28.16 | KTL | that is why i want small differences in tank height to be obvious |
| 23:28.42 | JeffM2501 | you are going to scale the tank box by the distance in Z from you |
| 23:28.45 | KTL | and large differences, tanks very high above me or very low beneath me, to be ... just ... nothing |
| 23:28.52 | a_temp_dist | there is a server variable that makes altitude changes more obvious already |
| 23:28.56 | KTL | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:28.57 | KTL | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:28.57 | KTL | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:28.57 | KTL | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:28.57 | KTL | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:29.14 | JeffM2501 | why do you use the arctangent |
| 23:29.20 | KTL | this is the size for the height box in the radar |
| 23:29.22 | JeffM2501 | just to get it to be a curve? |
| 23:29.31 | KTL | yes |
| 23:29.38 | JeffM2501 | odd, but whatever floats your boat |
| 23:29.40 | KTL | to remove the linearity |
| 23:30.08 | KTL | well, tanks far far above me result in enormous rectangles that fill up my radar |
| 23:30.22 | KTL | while if i am very high myself, like in a wings fight |
| 23:30.39 | KTL | i have serious difficulties knowing for sure if a tank is at the same height or not |
| 23:30.44 | a_meteorite | that's interesting, but I'd be confused |
| 23:30.47 | KTL | the atan should help |
| 23:32.15 | KTL | A. tanks at the same height as me have the same size height box as myself B. tanks near my own height their box has changed a lot so that it is obvious C. tanks very far from me in height, they can do what they want, their box remains around the same |
| 23:33.53 | KTL | it allows an extra control parameter, how strong i want this effect to be |
| 23:36.26 | a_meteorite | KTL: could you send me a patch, so I can see if I like it? :) |
| 23:36.52 | KTL | busy with compiling a v2 |
| 23:36.58 | a_meteorite | k |
| 23:37.16 | KTL | i did not modify it yet, of course i want to see this in a full badgerking :) |
| 23:37.26 | a_meteorite | heh.. |
| 23:37.36 | KTL | bryjen wont get me with his vicious height tricks |
| 23:40.11 | a_meteorite | hehe |
| 23:40.28 | a_meteorite | I think all this new networking stuff will be great |
| 23:40.35 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 23:40.36 | Guu | I guess why is the radar allways black? its very unfair, JeffM2501 |
| 23:40.41 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't affect the game at all |
| 23:41.47 | a_meteorite | reducing cheating |
| 23:41.54 | JeffM2501 | what will? |
| 23:42.14 | a_meteorite | like separating radar updates |
| 23:42.25 | JeffM2501 | that just makes it harder |
| 23:42.27 | a_meteorite | that means it'd take a lot of work to know where ST tanks are and stuff |
| 23:42.31 | JeffM2501 | that'll happen after I get shots done |
| 23:42.33 | a_meteorite | yeah. harder is good. |
| 23:42.42 | a_meteorite | though you can never STOP it |
