| 00:03.17 | Winny | well, now I know where to look for your passowrd :) |
| 00:03.38 | a_meteorite | Winny: Type the whole Bible for me, kthxbye. |
| 00:04.09 | Winny | a_meteorite: bible is probably online :D |
| 00:04.24 | Erroneous | using text from a published source is an easy dictionary crack |
| 00:04.33 | a_meteorite | yeah, really? ;) |
| 00:05.50 | Erroneous | better to use it as a key of sorts... i.e. John 3:17 => J3:17FGdnsHSitwtctw,bttwtHmbs... more difficult to crack :) |
| 00:06.11 | CBG` | fatty |
| 00:06.14 | CBG` | gah. ww |
| 00:07.00 | Erroneous | that's first letter of each word, which is one of the weaker forms...better is every third letter, or something of that nature |
| 00:07.18 | a_meteorite | then semi-1337 it |
| 00:07.38 | Erroneous | yup, extra numbers and punctuation is always good |
| 00:08.25 | rob1n | 0|\/|6 |
| 00:08.42 | Erroneous | and of course it's easiest if you have the text memorized |
| 00:08.50 | rob1n | heh |
| 00:09.04 | a_meteorite | I memorize my 30 digit fully random passwords |
| 00:09.15 | a_meteorite | and they're not abbreviations.. |
| 00:09.32 | Erroneous | a_meteorite: and you have a unique one for each site you log in to, right? |
| 00:09.37 | a_meteorite | yes |
| 00:09.38 | *** join/#bzflag gl2tosl2 (n=leif@71-215-240-11.mpls.qwest.net) |
| 00:09.50 | a_meteorite | the only password I share is my bzflag account and bzflag e-mail |
| 00:10.00 | Erroneous | why do you share those? |
| 00:10.03 | a_meteorite | cause one's pretty useless to me if it got hacked |
| 00:10.35 | a_meteorite | I don't know, but I'm not worried about it because of my password's shear length and randomness |
| 00:10.52 | JeffM2501 | who do you have to share that with? |
| 00:10.58 | Erroneous | copy-n-paste gets around both length and randomness ;) |
| 00:10.58 | a_meteorite | um, no one |
| 00:11.08 | a_meteorite | I don't copy and paste :P |
| 00:11.09 | Winny | as in, used for bother accounts... |
| 00:11.15 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 00:11.28 | Erroneous | ah, that makes more sense |
| 00:11.29 | a_meteorite | no, just my bzflag account and bzflag e-mail is shared with each other |
| 00:11.39 | a_meteorite | I don't share that pass with other accounts |
| 00:12.23 | Erroneous | JeffM2501: you'd probably find a chunk of exTabSettings code in there :) |
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| 00:12.29 | JeffM2501 | you clean it up? |
| 00:12.36 | Erroneous | yup |
| 00:12.40 | Erroneous | should post it somewhere |
| 00:12.44 | JeffM2501 | where ya gonna host it? |
| 00:12.48 | Erroneous | not sure |
| 00:12.55 | Erroneous | probably sourceforge 'cause I'm lazy |
| 00:12.56 | JeffM2501 | google it :) |
| 00:13.35 | Erroneous | then I'd have to actually read the pages |
| 00:13.51 | JeffM2501 | all you have to do is fill out a form ;) |
| 00:14.00 | Erroneous | have to read it still though :) |
| 00:14.56 | Erroneous | a_meteorite: and you do know that using 30 characters for windows is useless 'cause you only need the first 7, right? |
| 00:15.26 | a_meteorite | Erroneous: erm? no, I didn't know |
| 00:15.50 | Erroneous | unless you're running 2k3 or newer with "no legacy logins" turned on |
| 00:15.58 | a_meteorite | oh, I don't use windows.. |
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| 01:13.17 | AAA_awright | a_meteorite: you are paranoid |
| 01:13.32 | a_meteorite | I realized that long ago |
| 01:13.38 | AAA_awright | Even with _ten_ LOWERCASE alphanumeric numbers, it would take... |
| 01:13.59 | AAA_awright | 2086 years to test all the passwords IF you has the HASHED password in front of you |
| 01:14.21 | AAA_awright | and many, many times longer if you wanted to use the login interface to try them all |
| 01:14.58 | blast007 | AAA_awright: ever heard of rainbow tables? |
| 01:15.04 | AAA_awright | Yah. |
| 01:15.16 | AAA_awright | But that is dictionary passwords.. |
| 01:15.52 | AAA_awright | er... yah. I doubt that even .001% of all the 10-letter passwords are in any table like that. |
| 01:16.01 | AAA_awright | Becides, that is what a salt is for. |
| 01:16.21 | AAA_awright | s/Becides/Besides/ |
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| 01:17.49 | CBG | Salt roxorz. |
| 01:17.52 | AAA_awright | blast007: ever heard of salt cryptography? |
| 01:17.57 | CBG | Unlike vinegar. Yuch. |
| 01:18.08 | eTangenT | CBG, don't be dissin on vinegar. Vinegar owns you. |
| 01:18.23 | blast007 | AAA_awright: sure |
| 01:18.42 | AAA_awright | all of you are wrong, mustard is the T3l-l 1337 l-l4X0RZ |
| 01:18.47 | CBG | Vinegar is like alcohol. |
| 01:18.54 | thefirstdude | lililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililil |
| 01:19.01 | blast007 | uh |
| 01:19.11 | blast007 | oo..kk.. |
| 01:19.16 | thefirstdude | ililililililililililililililililililililililililililililil |
| 01:19.24 | blast007 | thefirstdude: pleast stop that |
| 01:19.30 | thefirstdude | sry! |
| 01:19.38 | brlcad | thefirstdude: cut that out |
| 01:19.55 | *** part/#bzflag thefirstdude (n=user@71-221-43-31.dlth.qwest.net) |
| 01:20.09 | CBG | Too much alcohol. |
| 01:20.23 | a_meteorite | um |
| 01:20.24 | brlcad | too much frist posting |
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| 01:20.45 | CBG | frist? |
| 01:22.14 | brlcad | old /. meme |
| 01:22.48 | CBG | ewww /. |
| 01:24.25 | KTL | there might come some revolution in hashcode cracking with quantum computers |
| 01:25.00 | KTL | these things seem to love solving np complete problems |
| 01:25.33 | KTL | like factorizing in primes |
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| 01:25.52 | AAA_awright | ewww "ewww /." |
| 01:26.22 | KTL | factoring* |
| 01:27.34 | eTangenT | hm |
| 01:27.39 | eTangenT | rainbow tables sound cool |
| 01:27.41 | eTangenT | <3 wikipedia |
| 01:27.49 | KTL | and are huge |
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| 01:33.34 | AAA_awright | which is why you salt passwords before you store them. |
| 01:34.27 | KTL | the salt |
| 01:34.27 | KTL | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:34.27 | KTL | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:36.24 | brlcad | salt tastes good |
| 01:39.27 | CBG | Agreed. |
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| 01:42.09 | eTangenT | salt is yuck |
| 01:42.11 | eTangenT | Vinegar! |
| 01:42.19 | blast007 | salt AND vinegar! |
| 01:42.36 | AAA_awright | This should go to bash.org... (cricket, cricket) |
| 01:42.59 | CBG | stop spamming off topic guys |
| 01:44.11 | AAA_awright | yah, stop spamming cbg... |
| 01:50.52 | KTL | ~lart spammers |
| 01:50.52 | ibot | explains, ever so gently, that if spammers doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help |
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| 01:54.36 | AAA_awright | ibot: joke |
| 01:54.54 | ibot | What's a chicken coupe with 4 doors - a Chicken Sedan! |
| 01:54.55 | a_meteorite | ibot: ping |
| 01:54.57 | ibot | pong |
| 01:54.58 | AAA_awright | ibot dosn't like me |
| 01:55.15 | AAA_awright | ...or mabye just a little slow today? |
| 01:55.25 | AAA_awright | ~new joke |
| 01:55.27 | ibot | botAbusers<Loser *>.push_back(new joke); |
| 01:55.34 | AAA_awright | ... |
| 01:55.46 | a_meteorite | haha |
| 02:02.51 | Winny_TV | ~lart a_meteorite |
| 02:02.51 | ibot | slaps a_meteorite around with a large trout |
| 02:03.03 | a_meteorite | Large trouts stink. |
| 02:03.11 | Winny_TV | lets try again |
| 02:03.12 | Winny_TV | then |
| 02:03.14 | Winny_TV | ~lart a_meteorite |
| 02:03.14 | ibot | beats a_meteorite to within 2.54cm of his life |
| 02:03.19 | Winny_TV | :p |
| 02:03.26 | Winny_TV | everyone lves the metric system! |
| 02:03.32 | a_meteorite | 1 in > 2.54 cm |
| 02:03.40 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 02:03.42 | JeffM2501 | == |
| 02:03.45 | a_meteorite | I know, they're equal. |
| 02:03.51 | a_meteorite | I don't like the metric system. :P |
| 02:04.06 | Winny_TV | metric system kicks some seroious b-hind |
| 02:04.26 | JeffM2501 | why? you don't like 10? |
| 02:04.40 | a_meteorite | It's the names that confuse me, 10 is fine. |
| 02:04.44 | Winny_TV | I prefer to talk and count in hexedecimal. |
| 02:04.54 | a_meteorite | Winny_TV: Binary is better. |
| 02:04.56 | JeffM2501 | they are prety simple |
| 02:05.22 | Winny_TV | 0, 1, 10, 11, 100, 101, 110, 111, 1000... :p |
| 02:05.53 | JeffM2501 | and it's one set of labels for all bases |
| 02:06.19 | JeffM2501 | I mean who knows what a furlong is |
| 02:06.38 | a_meteorite | Heh... yeah, that's true. |
| 02:07.41 | Winny_TV | byebye |
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| 02:26.09 | AAA_awright | 1in == 2.54 = true |
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| 03:53.26 | Cool | hello |
| 03:53.33 | KTL | allo allo |
| 03:53.44 | Cool | I need some help with BZ flag |
| 03:53.57 | JeffM2501 | ask away |
| 03:54.04 | Cool | When ever I run it, (On multiple computers) |
| 03:54.08 | Cool | it crashs |
| 03:54.19 | JeffM2501 | how far does it get? |
| 03:54.47 | Cool | it starts playing |
| 03:55.09 | Cool | and I can join and play an internet game, but then it randomly crashes |
| 03:55.22 | JeffM2501 | hmmm |
| 03:55.24 | JeffM2501 | what OS? |
| 03:55.25 | Cool | no blue screen, just a complete frezz |
| 03:55.44 | Cool | windows XP/98SE and 2000 |
| 03:56.11 | JeffM2501 | current video drivers for the cards in them? |
| 03:56.19 | Cool | yup |
| 03:56.31 | JeffM2501 | what version of bzflag? |
| 03:56.34 | Cool | the cards are Geforce 5200/440 |
| 03:56.38 | Cool | newest |
| 03:56.48 | Cool | and some onboard crap |
| 03:56.49 | JeffM2501 | what is the exact version number |
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| 03:57.02 | Cool | 2.0.8 |
| 03:57.05 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 03:57.12 | Cool | but when I tested 2.0.7 |
| 03:57.21 | JeffM2501 | well is there any software common on those machines? |
| 03:57.41 | Cool | besides windows, no, they all run with nothing else but windows |
| 03:57.48 | JeffM2501 | seems odd |
| 03:57.51 | JeffM2501 | very odd |
| 03:58.00 | Cool | I'm thinking there might be a sceen savor problem, |
| 03:58.01 | KTL | other 3d accelerated games on these machines? |
| 03:58.15 | KTL | (/me thinks at cooling) |
| 03:58.19 | Cool | Onn mine BF1942, Half life 2, CS |
| 03:58.31 | Cool | and they all run nice |
| 03:58.33 | JeffM2501 | it's probalby some sort of software issue |
| 03:58.37 | Cool | yea |
| 03:58.41 | JeffM2501 | those are all direct X games IIRC |
| 03:58.47 | Cool | ?? |
| 03:58.55 | JeffM2501 | the 3d api they use to draw |
| 03:59.01 | Cool | Do you mean opgl or DX? |
| 03:59.05 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 03:59.16 | Cool | they are all Direc X |
| 03:59.20 | JeffM2501 | bzflag is not |
| 03:59.28 | Cool | ohh k |
| 03:59.42 | JeffM2501 | I don't know what to tell you |
| 03:59.49 | JeffM2501 | does it hard lock the machine or just BZ? |
| 03:59.52 | Cool | but counter strike is openGL |
| 04:00.02 | Cool | IT hard locks |
| 04:00.29 | Cool | NO alt-f4 or ctrl alt delete |
| 04:00.32 | JeffM2501 | the only thing that can do that in most cases is a driver level software |
| 04:00.38 | JeffM2501 | not a user level software |
| 04:00.39 | Cool | no alt tab |
| 04:00.57 | Cool | hummm |
| 04:00.58 | JeffM2501 | or hardware failure |
| 04:01.08 | eTangenT | hardware failure? |
| 04:01.14 | JeffM2501 | overheat |
| 04:01.23 | Cool | well, it's 4 diffrent computers |
| 04:01.25 | JeffM2501 | dude, send it back |
| 04:01.26 | KTL | the other games run well and multiple machines seem to have it ... |
| 04:01.40 | JeffM2501 | indeed, I dont know how your 4 machiens were built, so I can't rule that out |
| 04:01.44 | eTangenT | JeffM2501: Warranty. No more warranty. |
| 04:01.46 | JeffM2501 | but I'm beting it's something with software |
| 04:02.01 | JeffM2501 | they run a domain or any sort of odd netoworking setup? |
| 04:02.07 | Cool | yea |
| 04:02.15 | KTL | XP/98SE and 2000 3 different os's |
| 04:02.17 | Cool | but on only two of them |
| 04:02.32 | JeffM2501 | is there my documents dirs on the local hard drives? |
| 04:02.33 | KTL | all graphics cards from the same vendor? |
| 04:02.35 | JeffM2501 | or on some server? |
| 04:02.40 | Cool | yea |
| 04:02.56 | Cool | They just log in and restriked access |
| 04:03.09 | Cool | no Grphics are not from the same vender |
| 04:03.10 | JeffM2501 | try runing as admin |
| 04:03.16 | JeffM2501 | it's all I can guess |
| 04:03.20 | Cool | thats how we play ;) |
| 04:03.25 | Cool | er... :( |
| 04:03.50 | JeffM2501 | we "should" be fine on restricted access, as long as we can get to a local my documents folder |
| 04:03.57 | JeffM2501 | I'm just gessing at this point tho |
| 04:04.06 | Cool | yea |
| 04:04.32 | Cool | same prob on my home Non-doman computers too |
| 04:04.57 | Cool | too bad there isn't a direct X plug in or somthing of that sort |
| 04:05.06 | JeffM2501 | heh, dosn't work like that |
| 04:05.13 | JeffM2501 | and as you say CS is GL |
| 04:05.30 | JeffM2501 | I'd look at any utilities or system software you have installed |
| 04:05.34 | Cool | CS is both Direct X AND open GL along with software |
| 04:05.35 | JeffM2501 | that may be common |
| 04:05.51 | Cool | ok |
| 04:05.52 | JeffM2501 | like anit virus, or something like that |
| 04:06.00 | JeffM2501 | there has to be something the same |
| 04:06.02 | JeffM2501 | some setting |
| 04:06.06 | Cool | yea |
| 04:06.16 | JeffM2501 | try a new user, and don't change any settings and see what happens |
| 04:06.25 | Cool | there might be a setting I'm screwing up at |
| 04:06.25 | JeffM2501 | or look at the stuff you change when you setup a new machine |
| 04:06.30 | JeffM2501 | any changes from default |
| 04:06.44 | Cool | yea |
| 04:06.54 | Cool | I should probably try defult |
| 04:07.24 | Cool | I was thinking it was the screen savor because it would crash right when the screen savor should of kicked in |
| 04:07.27 | JeffM2501 | it could be wierd stuff like smart card support, or activating speach or handwriting recognition |
| 04:07.36 | Cool | Good call |
| 04:07.43 | JeffM2501 | the screens saver should not turn on when the machien is in usse |
| 04:07.50 | Cool | two computers have office on them |
| 04:07.55 | JeffM2501 | if you overide the idle stuff, or the input stuff that would be an issue |
| 04:07.59 | JeffM2501 | office mater not |
| 04:08.18 | Cool | well, office has languge bar with it |
| 04:08.37 | Cool | with speach and such |
| 04:08.40 | JeffM2501 | I know many users who have office and play with out issue |
| 04:08.44 | JeffM2501 | but check the setings |
| 04:08.48 | Cool | yea |
| 04:08.49 | JeffM2501 | see if you turned any of that on |
| 04:08.56 | Cool | yea |
| 04:09.25 | Cool | I think I might be turning them up too high |
| 04:09.36 | JeffM2501 | up to high? |
| 04:09.36 | Cool | yea that too |
| 04:09.42 | JeffM2501 | bzflag is not an intesive app |
| 04:09.42 | Cool | uhhh |
| 04:09.46 | Cool | maxing them out |
| 04:09.49 | JeffM2501 | you pull the fans from the systems or something? |
| 04:09.55 | Cool | no |
| 04:10.03 | JeffM2501 | then it should be fine |
| 04:10.06 | Cool | holy crap! DaVue! |
| 04:10.52 | Cool | I so remember saying that from like a dream or somthing.... |
| 04:10.52 | Cool | I'm losing it |
| 04:11.17 | Cool | thank you very much for all your help! |
| 04:11.33 | Cool | bye! |
| 04:11.34 | KTL | success |
| 04:11.45 | JeffM2501 | what was it? |
| 04:12.13 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, good fixes to the content policy :) |
| 04:13.26 | JeffM2501 | what is DaVue? |
| 04:13.33 | KTL | sounds like deja vue |
| 04:13.48 | JeffM2501 | kinda |
| 04:14.15 | blast007 | JeffM2501: no idea, but I found them on myspace |
| 04:14.17 | blast007 | ;) |
| 04:14.37 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 04:17.08 | blast007 | hmm, or maybe some australian band |
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| 04:25.38 | Cool_Cat | hello again |
| 04:26.07 | Cool_Cat | I just tryed the game again with low graphics and it works great |
| 04:26.13 | blast007 | hmm |
| 04:26.32 | Cool_Cat | I think the light setting is the main problem |
| 04:27.56 | blast007 | could be |
| 04:28.11 | blast007 | still sorta strange |
| 04:28.15 | Cool_Cat | were you here |
| 04:28.17 | blast007 | I have a FX5200 that runs it fine |
| 04:28.29 | Cool_Cat | a few (10) minutes ago? |
| 04:28.32 | blast007 | yeah |
| 04:28.37 | blast007 | I saw the discussion |
| 04:28.50 | Cool_Cat | kool |
| 04:29.06 | Cool_Cat | yea, I got the same card, Geforce 5200FX |
| 04:29.09 | JeffM2501 | a 5200 better be able to do lighting |
| 04:29.27 | JeffM2501 | if it can't then those ain't stock nvidia drivers |
| 04:29.30 | Cool_Cat | It was a while back when I ran it |
| 04:29.55 | Cool_Cat | Back then I had forceware 81.96 or somthing like that |
| 04:30.27 | Cool_Cat | and I turnd the graphis up to the max |
| 04:31.07 | JeffM2501 | what care did you just test on? |
| 04:31.07 | Cool_Cat | Geforce 440 64MB lappy modle |
| 04:31.07 | Cool_Cat | model |
| 04:31.10 | JeffM2501 | a go 4 still should be able to use lighting |
| 04:31.21 | JeffM2501 | for that, you can't get drivers from nvidia tho |
| 04:31.27 | Cool_Cat | yea, but I guess my lappy doesn't like me.... |
| 04:31.29 | JeffM2501 | you get those from the laptop mfg. |
| 04:31.36 | JeffM2501 | who made the laptop? |
| 04:31.38 | Cool_Cat | I run the nvida drivers any way |
| 04:31.49 | JeffM2501 | they won't install |
| 04:31.53 | Cool_Cat | Dude, your getting a dell |
| 04:31.58 | Cool_Cat | well |
| 04:32.09 | Cool_Cat | you can mannually install them |
| 04:32.11 | JeffM2501 | then you get drivers for that from dell |
| 04:32.21 | Cool_Cat | I know a lot about windows |
| 04:32.25 | JeffM2501 | well when you do that, they tell you it may not work right |
| 04:32.30 | JeffM2501 | and gee.... it's not working right. |
| 04:32.43 | Cool_Cat | but they work right for EVERYTHING else |
| 04:32.50 | JeffM2501 | so |
| 04:32.56 | JeffM2501 | not all games make the same openGL calls |
| 04:33.02 | Cool_Cat | I run HL2 and Counter strike souce on it |
| 04:33.07 | Cool_Cat | right |
| 04:33.10 | JeffM2501 | did you do whackass manual installs of your other systems? |
| 04:33.15 | JeffM2501 | we are not HL2 or CS |
| 04:33.26 | Cool_Cat | what do you mean? |
| 04:34.24 | JeffM2501 | are the other crashing systems runing stock drivers? |
| 04:34.24 | Cool_Cat | no and yes |
| 04:34.24 | Cool_Cat | acctully they are all running the newestr drivers |
| 04:34.31 | blast007 | from nvidia.com ? |
| 04:34.35 | Cool_Cat | (I hate on-board) |
| 04:34.42 | Cool_Cat | two |
| 04:35.08 | Cool_Cat | One is a Rage 32MB card and some sis M780 on-board Crap |
| 04:35.14 | KTL | he imagined/remembered himself saying the same words about pulling the fans I guess |
| 04:35.37 | Cool_Cat | huh? |
| 04:35.57 | JeffM2501 | well a go 440 should be able to run ligthing fine |
| 04:36.05 | JeffM2501 | if it's crashing then it's drivers |
| 04:36.06 | Cool_Cat | lol |
| 04:36.12 | JeffM2501 | as the lighting is standard GL lights |
| 04:36.17 | Cool_Cat | yea |
| 04:36.43 | Cool_Cat | I don't like dell drives though |
| 04:36.58 | Cool_Cat | too out of date |
| 04:37.04 | JeffM2501 | then ya probably shdoun't have goten a dell ;) |
| 04:37.05 | Cool_Cat | caugh 2004 |
| 04:37.09 | JeffM2501 | you use others at your own risk |
| 04:37.11 | Cool_Cat | lol |
| 04:37.13 | blast007 | it's not like the card is new anyway |
| 04:37.17 | Cool_Cat | It was dirt cheap |
| 04:37.24 | Cool_Cat | only $800 |
| 04:37.33 | blast007 | I got an IBM for that much |
| 04:37.34 | JeffM2501 | get what ya pay for |
| 04:37.39 | Cool_Cat | I bought it off my mom and dad ;) |
| 04:37.57 | Cool_Cat | IT's a P4 2.0 Ghz with 512MB ram |
| 04:38.04 | JeffM2501 | ew |
| 04:38.08 | Cool_Cat | and I bought it a year ago |
| 04:38.14 | JeffM2501 | double eww |
| 04:38.29 | Cool_Cat | just so you know, I'm a bit old school |
| 04:38.40 | JeffM2501 | whatever that means |
| 04:38.49 | Cool_Cat | (I have a 286 laptop that waighs in at 18 pounds |
| 04:39.04 | Cool_Cat | and I used it yesterday) |
| 04:39.15 | Cool_Cat | :P |
| 04:39.23 | JeffM2501 | whatever floats your boat |
| 04:39.25 | Cool_Cat | er... :p |
| 04:39.34 | Cool_Cat | I guess, |
| 04:39.43 | Cool_Cat | I like Dos... |
| 04:40.02 | Cool_Cat | Star Goose... |
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| 04:41.01 | Cool_Cat | I even typed up a 14,000 word story on it |
| 04:41.06 | Cool_Cat | in MS-edit |
| 04:41.25 | blast007 | File -> Save, awww, it crashed... |
| 04:41.28 | JeffM2501 | umm..... great.....\ |
| 04:41.37 | Cool_Cat | that happend! |
| 04:41.44 | Cool_Cat | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:41.48 | blast007 | anyway, we don't really care |
| 04:41.58 | Cool_Cat | figured as much |
| 04:42.03 | trepan | don't sugar coat it ;) |
| 04:42.08 | blast007 | hehe |
| 04:42.47 | Cool_Cat | I guess I should get to bed, it's 9:42 where I am |
| 04:42.57 | blast007 | Cool_Cat: it's 11:42 here |
| 04:43.03 | KTL | (first install bzflag on the 286! :) ) |
| 04:43.09 | Cool_Cat | cool |
| 04:43.17 | a_meteorite | 286? um |
| 04:43.24 | blast007 | KTL: it was slow on my 486 |
| 04:43.29 | Cool_Cat | I should try it, I might be able to fit it on it's 30MB hard drive... |
| 04:43.34 | a_meteorite | how could you even install bzadmin on a 286? |
| 04:43.44 | a_meteorite | is there a linux distro for 286? |
| 04:43.50 | JeffM2501 | a_meteorite, same way you do on any other machine |
| 04:43.53 | Cool_Cat | I might be able to boot some old linux or somthing |
| 04:43.57 | blast007 | a_meteorite: there's probably a distro for an 8086.. |
| 04:44.11 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: 286 though... that's gotta be less than 50mhz |
| 04:44.11 | Cool_Cat | freaken rights! |
| 04:44.20 | Cool_Cat | uhhh.... |
| 04:44.27 | Cool_Cat | it's 12Mhz |
| 04:44.29 | JeffM2501 | a_meteorite, what does speed matter for the ability to install |
| 04:44.32 | Cool_Cat | with turbo on |
| 04:44.35 | a_meteorite | fine, go for it.. |
| 04:44.49 | a_meteorite | yeah, you CAN, but would you really want to? |
| 04:44.56 | blast007 | Cool_Cat: my 808g is 8Mhz with turbo |
| 04:45.00 | blast007 | 8086* |
| 04:45.12 | Cool_Cat | lol |
| 04:45.27 | a_meteorite | 30MB... that won't hold a fully built bzflag tree |
| 04:45.33 | a_meteorite | unless you get a binary |
| 04:45.38 | Cool_Cat | mine WAS worth around $4000 |
| 04:45.46 | JeffM2501 | well you can't run from source :) |
| 04:45.54 | Cool_Cat | May be I should just host a 1 player server |
| 04:46.03 | Cool_Cat | no map |
| 04:46.25 | Cool_Cat | Wait, it's only got 1MB of ram |
| 04:46.27 | KTL | emulator* |
| 04:46.32 | Cool_Cat | Darn... |
| 04:46.39 | Cool_Cat | Emulator might work... slow |
| 04:46.46 | Cool_Cat | really slow |
| 04:46.51 | Cool_Cat | Extra slow |
| 04:47.25 | Cool_Cat | Super ultra extremely uber slow pluse 10 |
| 04:47.36 | Cool_Cat | er plus |
| 04:48.04 | a_meteorite | 1MB Ram... |
| 04:48.11 | Cool_Cat | any way, see yea all |
| 04:48.14 | a_meteorite | yeah, I really doubt even bzadmin would work :| |
| 04:48.19 | KTL | :) |
| 04:48.21 | Cool_Cat | (only 640 is usable) |
| 04:48.33 | Cool_Cat | bye |
| 04:48.41 | JeffM2501 | there is always swap space |
| 04:48.43 | Cool_Cat | thanks for all your help! |
| 04:49.29 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: lol |
| 04:49.37 | a_meteorite | I wonder how fast a 30MB HD is |
| 04:51.02 | KTL | 8 cm's thick |
| 04:51.38 | blast007 | I have a 21MB drive :) |
| 04:52.05 | blast007 | but not that big dimension wise |
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| 04:52.40 | rob1n | a_meteorite, ping |
| 04:53.45 | a_meteorite | pong, only here for a bit |
| 04:53.58 | rob1n | a_meteorite, where is the httpd.conf for the apache2 from macports? |
| 04:54.04 | rob1n | well, which one that is |
| 04:54.08 | rob1n | i found 3 :\ |
| 04:54.18 | a_meteorite | /opt/local/apache2/conf/httpd.conf |
| 04:54.25 | rob1n | no file there |
| 04:54.44 | a_meteorite | tell me what is |
| 04:54.46 | rob1n | there's httpd.conf.sample |
| 04:54.51 | a_meteorite | copy that to httpd.conf |
| 04:54.59 | a_meteorite | and then customize that |
| 04:55.03 | rob1n | kk |
| 04:55.04 | rob1n | thanks! |
| 04:55.07 | a_meteorite | sure np |
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| 05:06.43 | jude- | hello all |
| 05:06.55 | JeffM2501 | sup g |
| 05:07.27 | jude- | how goes the hacking? |
| 05:09.07 | JeffM2501 | hacking? |
| 05:09.44 | jude- | in the classical sense of the word, hacking means "cleverly developing software" |
| 05:09.51 | jude- | or something to that extent |
| 05:09.58 | jude- | as I recall |
| 05:09.58 | JeffM2501 | or just writing it ;) |
| 05:10.26 | JeffM2501 | to me hacking is not making clean code, but fast and messy just to get what you need |
| 05:10.40 | jude- | ah |
| 05:10.44 | jude- | I have a different definition |
| 05:10.44 | KTL | gluing things together |
| 05:12.14 | jude- | okay, not "hacking." How goes the coding? |
| 05:12.30 | JeffM2501 | need to finish the networking stuff |
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| 06:04.43 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501 and brlcad (since you both seemed to be interested): http://code.google.com/p/extabsettings/ |
| 06:07.47 | jude- | DTRemenak: neat |
| 06:08.01 | rob1n | DTRemenak, cool ^.^ |
| 06:08.45 | DTRemenak | bzflag has odd (2/8) indentation settings, and valid ex modelines. comes in handy if you're working on other projects simultaneously. |
| 06:09.11 | SportChick | eek |
| 06:09.25 | DTRemenak | eek? |
| 06:09.41 | SportChick | DTRemenak, look at brlcad - it's all his fault |
| 06:09.56 | SportChick | (everything is) ;) |
| 06:13.46 | rob1n | o.o |
| 06:18.47 | JeffM2501 | very nice |
| 06:19.05 | DTRemenak | even wrote documentations |
| 06:19.12 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 06:19.24 | JeffM2501 | now you just need to promote it :) |
| 06:19.32 | JeffM2501 | get it mentioned on slashdot :) |
| 06:19.33 | DTRemenak | meh, if people want it, they'll find it |
| 06:20.24 | JeffM2501 | mention it in the windows readme :) |
| 06:20.45 | DTRemenak | it's actually not all that capable; doesn't do full modeline parsing, just enough for what we need |
| 06:20.59 | JeffM2501 | it's a start |
| 06:21.04 | JeffM2501 | others can mod :) |
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| 06:21.09 | DTRemenak | doesn't even do the first-five/last-five scanning, just reads the last (or second to last if it's blank) line |
| 06:21.18 | JeffM2501 | that google stuff is easy to set up isn't it? :) |
| 06:21.24 | DTRemenak | heck yeah |
| 06:21.26 | DTRemenak | like one page |
| 06:21.30 | DTRemenak | and it's done |
| 06:21.38 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 06:21.59 | JeffM2501 | heh |
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| 06:57.35 | rob1n | a_meteorite, i'm having issues... 403 Forbidden errors :( |
| 06:57.47 | rob1n | i tried doing Alias /wp "/Users/robin/Desktop/Code/WordPress |
| 06:57.47 | rob1n | " |
| 06:57.50 | a_meteorite | rob1n: hmm |
| 06:57.51 | rob1n | 403 :\ |
| 06:58.00 | a_meteorite | what is the file permissions? |
| 06:58.01 | a_meteorite | and owner? |
| 06:58.06 | rob1n | me |
| 06:58.14 | a_meteorite | what is apache2 running as? |
| 06:58.17 | rob1n | i think it's 644 |
| 06:58.21 | rob1n | hmm let me check |
| 06:58.39 | rob1n | www i think |
| 06:58.40 | rob1n | damn |
| 06:58.48 | a_meteorite | yeah, that would do it |
| 06:59.07 | rob1n | heh thanks |
| 06:59.12 | a_meteorite | change the owner of the files or make the perms more lax :) |
| 06:59.14 | a_meteorite | welcome |
| 06:59.24 | rob1n | probably change the perms |
| 06:59.40 | a_meteorite | 755 should do it |
| 07:01.01 | rob1n | nope :\ |
| 07:01.13 | a_meteorite | hmmm, 777, just to see |
| 07:01.38 | rob1n | nope |
| 07:02.04 | a_meteorite | <Directory "/Users/robin/Desktop/Code/WordPress"> |
| 07:02.04 | a_meteorite | Options Indexes MultiViews |
| 07:02.04 | a_meteorite | AllowOverride None |
| 07:02.04 | a_meteorite | Order allow,deny |
| 07:02.05 | a_meteorite | Allow from all |
| 07:02.05 | a_meteorite | </Directory> |
| 07:02.12 | a_meteorite | give that a go |
| 07:02.18 | a_meteorite | keep the Alias too |
| 07:03.27 | rob1n | a_meteorite, nope |
| 07:03.33 | a_meteorite | dang |
| 07:05.10 | a_meteorite | hmm, let me do a little searching around |
| 07:14.27 | a_meteorite | is there any symlinks involved, rob1n? |
| 07:15.47 | a_meteorite | hehe, I was looking at boards relating to apache discussion and 1veedo was having the same problem (bzflag player) |
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| 07:15.53 | a_meteorite | such a small world |
| 07:16.08 | a_meteorite | rob1n: I'm really not an Apache expert, just good at troubleshooting ;) |
| 07:16.55 | a_meteorite | on another note, hooah, mod_deflate compiled-in patch seems to work |
| 07:22.35 | rob1n | a_meteorite, not that i know of, but i just switched some things around and got it to work (not using Alias, etc) |
| 07:22.42 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 07:22.50 | a_meteorite | good to hear |
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| 07:41.36 | brlcad | DTRemenak: sweet |
| 07:41.49 | brlcad | SportChick: what? |
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| 10:34.37 | stjepan | hi |
| 10:34.41 | stjepan | hi Manu :)) |
| 10:34.56 | Manu | hi stjepan :) |
| 10:35.10 | stjepan | Manu, sorry for disturbing you, but ... guess what happened :D |
| 10:35.24 | Manu | what happened where? |
| 10:35.29 | stjepan | ruskie banned me again :D |
| 10:35.58 | stjepan | for "language issues" but I did not swear, I was just saying something like @!#$@#!$ |
| 10:35.59 | Manu | for language, I see |
| 10:36.17 | Manu | yes, but he can't know it |
| 10:36.29 | stjepan | uh, but why ban for this? |
| 10:36.49 | Manu | he thought you were swearing |
| 10:36.56 | stjepan | does !@#$% hurt anybody? |
| 10:36.57 | Manu | and probably he warned you about it |
| 10:37.08 | stjepan | nope |
| 10:37.30 | ts | Imagine how it looks to others |
| 10:37.33 | Manu | well only left 500 minutes so be patient and next time you know what musn't do |
| 10:37.51 | stjepan | ahhhh 500 minutes... that's an eternity :( |
| 10:38.16 | ts | ~500/60 |
| 10:38.26 | ibot | 8.333333333333 |
| 10:38.29 | Manu | stjepan: I see he warned you. he said: do you want a ban? |
| 10:38.39 | stjepan | I didn't see that :( |
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| 10:42.13 | ts | Manu: Do you know what Jeff did with the connections? I'm trying to read from the handle but PHP always freezes on it, though I do it correct. |
| 10:42.38 | Manu | ts, dunno |
| 10:48.05 | ruskie | *yawn* |
| 10:49.39 | Manu | ~wake ruskie |
| 10:49.53 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on ruskie and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 10:50.44 | ruskie | lol |
| 10:50.50 | ruskie | I've been up since 1000 |
| 10:50.59 | ruskie | been at the docs to get some fresh meds and stuff |
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| 12:06.07 | donny_baker | ~lart TheRedBaron |
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| 12:06.23 | TheRedBaron | oi! |
| 12:06.43 | TheRedBaron | ~pickle donny_baker |
| 12:06.54 | ibot | ACTION crams donny_baker in a barrel, adds some brine and seasoning, and lets donny_baker sit for a long while in a dark room until donny_baker is ripe |
| 12:09.47 | Pommes | ~lart TheRedBaron |
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| 12:11.11 | Pommes | coffee-withdrawal! |
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| 12:22.40 | benfish | ;O |
| 12:28.04 | Dessy | benfish? |
| 12:28.11 | Dessy | hi :=) |
| 12:28.17 | benfish | hi |
| 12:32.04 | benfish | how is everyone/anyone today?:o |
| 12:38.57 | donny_baker | we are quite ;) |
| 12:39.24 | benfish | ah :o |
| 12:44.06 | brlcad | banning for using &%@#&$! punctuation is rediculous -- the point of the filter is to make it a non-issue |
| 12:44.31 | brlcad | even if they were actually swearing |
| 12:44.59 | benfish | >.< |
| 12:45.45 | donny_baker | and heck the multi-language filter catches many, many words that are not cursing |
| 12:45.59 | brlcad | cartoons don't get a higher rating for self-censoring with punctuation, and having to "imagine" is silly .. I can imagine it's perfectly benign |
| 12:46.01 | Epyon | brlcad, will you have someone on the conflict resolution meeting? |
| 12:46.10 | donny_baker | you can't say 'page' with the filter on |
| 12:46.22 | benfish | ;o |
| 12:46.36 | donny_baker | comes out !$@% |
| 12:49.00 | donny_baker | sun is out here.... 27 degrees outside though |
| 12:50.07 | TheRedBaron | ~weather KTLH |
| 12:50.44 | TheRedBaron | this is evil... such weather should not exist here |
| 13:11.08 | Manu | brlcad: the cop can't know if he is swearing or not ;) |
| 13:17.49 | Manu | but I agree, a kick is enough proably |
| 13:19.44 | TheRedBaron | repeated offense? |
| 13:20.14 | Manu | TheRedBaron: no, a player writing symbols like swearing just to be funny and to annoy cops |
| 13:20.19 | Manu | at the end he got banned |
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| 13:48.04 | donny_baker | doesn't help now, but there is a -filterAnnounce command line option in the HEAD for announcing filtered chat on the admin channel |
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| 13:48.42 | donny_baker | will allow you to tell the difference between #@$% and actual swear words |
| 13:55.31 | Manu | donny_baker: I know the difference ;) |
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| 15:45.49 | TheRedBaron | chestal: rumor brings it you've resurrected ducati.bzflag.org ? |
| 15:47.32 | Chestal | kind of, not sure if it will stay up. I mainly started it because I have severe lag issues to most ducati style servers right now. I am not sure how well it works and if I can keep it running |
| 15:47.38 | Chestal | but feel free to test :-) |
| 15:49.52 | TheRedBaron | chestal: will do :) |
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| 16:00.57 | KTL | http://users.pandora.be/dpf/out.png |
| 16:01.01 | KTL | iets mis met mijn verse bsp tree |
| 16:01.09 | KTL | *iets* |
| 16:01.50 | KTL | (it's a bug in my bsp tree btw :) ) |
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| 16:16.58 | wer | http://tinyurl.com/22u6xc |
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| 16:18.50 | eTangenT | "fun" like a nailgun to the face? |
| 16:18.56 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 16:19.02 | JeffM2501 | exactly like that |
| 16:22.05 | JBdiGriz | It must be spring break for the "hats" |
| 16:22.14 | JeffM2501 | second week |
| 16:22.33 | eTangenT | I liked spring break where I work |
| 16:22.41 | eTangenT | we didn't get flooded with a bunch of stupid kids |
| 16:23.08 | eTangenT | then it ended and the high school kids were right back for lunch |
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| 17:25.49 | brlcad | ~seen battousai1373 |
| 17:26.21 | ibot | battousai1373 <n=blah@c-24-17-111-218.hsd1.mn.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 14d 16h 55m 11s ago, saying: 'oh well...not much I can do now...'. |
| 17:29.15 | donny_baker | tomorrow is the big day for GSoC, right? |
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| 17:54.53 | battousai1373 | Hey, everyone. This is Ted. I was just informed I made the final selection list for GSoC, so I figure I should reintroduce myself. I'll be signed in here just in case anyone needs to ask me any questions or anything. Unfortunately, I have to run to class, but please feel free to msg me, if you feel the need. |
| 17:55.18 | battousai1373 | see you around |
| 17:56.47 | RatOmeter | I'll see your round, and raise you a triangle |
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| 17:57.23 | RatOmeter | congrats, battousai1373 |
| 18:07.04 | *** topic/#bzflag by JeffM2501 -> http://BZFlag.org || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/wiki/index.php/Getting_Help || http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9453 || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 || http://fisheye1.cenqua.com/browse/bzflag/bzflag || New WIKI! http://my.bzflag.org/w/ || Migrated from CVS to SVN: http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN || GSoC preliminary slot allocation results are now in: four |
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| 18:20.48 | ts | JeffM2501: Have you documented anywhere what you have done to the connection process? |
| 18:20.57 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 18:20.59 | eTangenT | RatOmeter: You should just fold now. :P |
| 18:21.11 | JeffM2501 | well comments in the source |
| 18:21.17 | ts | JeffM2501: I need the information to update bzfquery.php |
| 18:21.32 | JeffM2501 | just send out the connection string when you connect |
| 18:21.41 | JeffM2501 | then you'll get back the BZFSXXXX and the rest is normal |
| 18:21.56 | ts | I get back nothing but a hang of PHP |
| 18:22.06 | JeffM2501 | on an old server or a new server? |
| 18:22.11 | ts | new server |
| 18:22.16 | JeffM2501 | what are you sending out? |
| 18:22.22 | RatOmeter | eTangenT: fold? Whatcha talkin bout? |
| 18:22.34 | ts | JeffM2501: The same thing like with old servers |
| 18:22.39 | eTangenT | RatOmeter: Well, you did raise him, but I'm calling your bluff. :P |
| 18:22.42 | JeffM2501 | well then yes that would make sense |
| 18:22.55 | JeffM2501 | the old stuff did server first |
| 18:22.57 | JeffM2501 | now it's client first |
| 18:23.01 | RatOmeter | oh, that |
| 18:23.04 | JeffM2501 | you HAVE to send out the connect string |
| 18:23.09 | ts | I try to parse the result but...even though I am not at EOF it hangs when reading |
| 18:23.11 | JeffM2501 | it's in the version.h |
| 18:23.17 | JeffM2501 | ts, YES it will |
| 18:23.28 | JeffM2501 | you don't get anything back untill you send first |
| 18:23.33 | JeffM2501 | that is the change |
| 18:23.40 | JeffM2501 | so you connect, then send |
| 18:23.41 | JeffM2501 | then read |
| 18:23.43 | ts | Can you document the change please? |
| 18:23.43 | JeffM2501 | in that order |
| 18:23.47 | JeffM2501 | I just did |
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| 18:23.58 | ts | Where? |
| 18:24.00 | JeffM2501 | here |
| 18:24.02 | RatOmeter | here ;) |
| 18:24.06 | Daveman | Greetings all :) |
| 18:24.08 | JeffM2501 | you only do one thing difrent |
| 18:24.09 | ts | sigh |
| 18:24.15 | JeffM2501 | send out the connect string |
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| 18:24.24 | JeffM2501 | where else do you want me to write that? |
| 18:24.38 | JBdiGriz | How about the wiki? |
| 18:24.47 | ts | Something like a little notice about network protocol at wiki |
| 18:25.07 | robinlinth | Bzflag keeps crashing my machine by either crashing the entire computer, requiring me to reboot OR turn off all the video and leave me with a black screen, or just a segfault and then the client quits. This happens too often, so often it makes the game unplayable. I am on Ubuntu 6.06, Edgy Eft |
| 18:25.08 | JeffM2501 | so a new page? |
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| 18:25.43 | robinlinth | I can't give you data the game dumps if it crashes cos it happens randomly and leaves the pc in a dead state |
| 18:25.45 | ts | Depends |
| 18:25.52 | JeffM2501 | ts, we have no current proto docs |
| 18:26.09 | ts | If there is already a page about protocol then add to it, otherwise new pag |
| 18:26.10 | ts | e |
| 18:26.14 | JeffM2501 | there isn't one |
| 18:26.16 | JeffM2501 | never has been |
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| 18:26.29 | JeffM2501 | we have the old docs |
| 18:26.51 | JeffM2501 | but realy, all you have to do is send out the string. |
| 18:27.27 | JeffM2501 | I don't have the time to document the entire 2.1.x protocoll |
| 18:27.36 | robinlinth | Can anybody help me with that problem? |
| 18:27.47 | JeffM2501 | robinlinth, with that little info, unlikely |
| 18:27.56 | ts | Doesn't need to be the entire protocol, only a start |
| 18:28.16 | robinlinth | JeffM2501, it OR turns off the screen OR crashes the entire pc OR the client just quits |
| 18:28.36 | robinlinth | happens at random moments |
| 18:28.47 | JeffM2501 | robinlinth, that isnt' enough to do anything, I'd check your drivers and libs to make sure your current. |
| 18:28.50 | robinlinth | for example if someone shoots me, or if i press some key or if i request the server list sometimes |
| 18:29.04 | JeffM2501 | check your libCURL make sure it's the latest |
| 18:29.10 | robinlinth | latest radeon drivers. My Ubuntu automatically updates without asking |
| 18:29.15 | JeffM2501 | ts, noone else has documented there proto changes. |
| 18:29.27 | JeffM2501 | robinlinth, DRI or the ones from ATI? |
| 18:29.41 | robinlinth | DRI |
| 18:29.49 | Daveman | How's it going Jeff? |
| 18:30.53 | JeffM2501 | robinlinth, dunno man, I'm not a fan of those drivers, but it sounds like something unstable, maybe try building from soruce |
| 18:30.53 | robinlinth | the radeon drivers are stabler than the official drivers, thats for sufer |
| 18:30.53 | robinlinth | sure*] |
| 18:30.53 | robinlinth | no game EVER crashes on me EXCEPT bzflag |
| 18:31.10 | JeffM2501 | sure they are. |
| 18:31.11 | robinlinth | and compiling drivers from source is not possible on Ubuntu, it fucks up the entire system. |
| 18:31.16 | JeffM2501 | I didn't mean drivers |
| 18:31.20 | JeffM2501 | and please watch your language here |
| 18:31.22 | JeffM2501 | I meant compile bzflag |
| 18:31.40 | robinlinth | sorry, i'm used to saying 'fucks up', since i think it's a normal word use. |
| 18:31.54 | JeffM2501 | well we are calling standard openGL 1.1 calls |
| 18:32.11 | JeffM2501 | the only crash I know about is with a version of libCurl |
| 18:32.15 | JeffM2501 | 7.15.4 IIRC |
| 18:32.26 | robinlinth | how to check the Libcurl version? |
| 18:32.52 | JeffM2501 | dunno, that'd be part of your OS/package manager |
| 18:32.58 | ts | JeffM2501: Well, I deeply believe we need some docs |
| 18:33.06 | JeffM2501 | ts, that is true |
| 18:33.14 | tannerld | robinlinth: check synaptic |
| 18:33.21 | ts | JeffM2501: Even writing down what you're doing to connect to a server is a good start |
| 18:33.31 | JeffM2501 | I did, in the commit message |
| 18:33.37 | JeffM2501 | the source is docs |
| 18:34.01 | JeffM2501 | hey you start a page I'll try to remember to keep it updated, but that's a biger job then I have time for right now. |
| 18:34.19 | robinlinth | Version: 7.15.4-1ubuntu2 |
| 18:34.21 | JeffM2501 | and find a way to have that page describe the proto at each version |
| 18:34.29 | JeffM2501 | robinlinth, there is a newer one |
| 18:34.31 | JeffM2501 | 7.15.5 |
| 18:34.42 | robinlinth | that's just a small difference |
| 18:34.48 | robinlinth | and ubuntu says it's the most stable |
| 18:34.53 | JeffM2501 | yeah, the change was to fix the crash bug ;) |
| 18:34.56 | RatOmeter | robinlinth, I'm not a *nix nerd, but I'm betting that BZ couldn't crash your whole box if you don't run it as root |
| 18:35.05 | robinlinth | RatOmeter, I run it as a normal user. |
| 18:35.06 | JeffM2501 | well then if they say it's right, it MUST be true |
| 18:35.22 | donny_baker | ~JeffM2501++ |
| 18:35.31 | robinlinth | JeffM2501, i'm not saying THAT either, but Ubuntu gives away their own versions of drivers and librarys. |
| 18:35.42 | JeffM2501 | yes they do |
| 18:35.50 | JeffM2501 | sounds like they just didn't update it yet |
| 18:35.56 | JeffM2501 | there was a bug in curl |
| 18:35.58 | JeffM2501 | they fixed it |
| 18:36.01 | robinlinth | what bug? |
| 18:36.09 | JeffM2501 | a crash when you joined a server with out listing |
| 18:36.13 | JeffM2501 | I don't know if that is your problem |
| 18:36.16 | donny_baker | cricket IIRC |
| 18:36.20 | JeffM2501 | it didn't kill the machine |
| 18:36.21 | robinlinth | that happens too. |
| 18:36.27 | robinlinth | but that only kills the client |
| 18:36.31 | JeffM2501 | a userland program should not be able to kill the machine |
| 18:36.37 | tannerld | try updating... |
| 18:36.39 | JeffM2501 | drivers can kill the machine |
| 18:37.00 | robinlinth | it leaves the machine in an unusable state, either the screen black or the machine doing nothing at all and hanging at the latest picture bzflag gave me |
| 18:37.08 | JeffM2501 | I've stated what I think it is |
| 18:37.14 | robinlinth | tannerld, can't. |
| 18:37.15 | JeffM2501 | if you want to go on that line or not, that's your call |
| 18:37.35 | robinlinth | JeffM2501, I just can't update. Compiling is a hell on Ubuntu, ESPECIALLY with drivers |
| 18:37.46 | JeffM2501 | I never said to compile your drivers |
| 18:37.50 | JeffM2501 | I said to compile bzflag |
| 18:38.03 | JeffM2501 | the only mention of your driver I made was that I was not a fan of DRI |
| 18:38.09 | JeffM2501 | due to stability issues |
| 18:38.24 | robinlinth | hmm thats gonna be a pain too, like this: hmm. ok, so i need libcurl3-dev, and that needs libmesa-dev, oh and that needs... *4 hours later* next lib |
| 18:38.40 | JeffM2501 | sorry if it's not an answer you like |
| 18:38.48 | JeffM2501 | we don't have a magic wand to wave and make your machine work |
| 18:39.02 | robinlinth | heh :P no problem. I just don't like compiling on my pc, and it can greatly mess with your pc too. |
| 18:39.04 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't hapen on others. |
| 18:39.23 | JeffM2501 | the act of compiling bzflag should not affect your system in any way |
| 18:39.27 | RatOmeter | I still get BZ crashes on Windows that "leave the machine in an [apparently] unusable state", but I can usually kill bzflag (using a 3rd party utility called pskill) and get the screen back. Might not be related though |
| 18:39.42 | robinlinth | JeffM2501, it does, since installing all the libs can cause problems with other packages or some other things. |
| 18:39.55 | JeffM2501 | I have never seen that happen on ubuntu |
| 18:40.06 | JeffM2501 | as the dev package shold not affect the bin libs used. |
| 18:40.09 | robinlinth | RatOmeter, yeah but you can ALT+Tab out of it. my PC completely freezes |
| 18:40.11 | JeffM2501 | just add headers and link libs |
| 18:40.19 | JeffM2501 | windows is difrent |
| 18:40.27 | JeffM2501 | a userland app can kill windows in some cases |
| 18:40.41 | JeffM2501 | but it probably is video drivers in the windows case. |
| 18:40.49 | JeffM2501 | I've seen intel onboard drivers kill windows. |
| 18:41.12 | ts | JeffM2501: I got it working. I'll put up a page tomorrow morning (MESZ) |
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| 18:41.23 | RatOmeter | yes, but it usually amounts to the same reasons... MS moving things inside ring 0 for performance reason that ought to be in userland |
| 18:41.40 | JeffM2501 | or crap drivers ;) |
| 18:41.48 | JeffM2501 | it's nearly almost always drivers |
| 18:41.58 | RatOmeter | that's the most usual culprit :) |
| 18:42.19 | RatOmeter | so I agree |
| 18:42.27 | JeffM2501 | ts, umm.. great |
| 18:42.59 | ts | Just making sure all works before I try to document |
| 18:43.19 | Chestal | ts: does that mean you'll bring the protocol doc up to date? :-) |
| 18:43.20 | ts | and that late it's not a good idea to test ;) |
| 18:43.22 | JeffM2501 | just add the connect string after you connect on the cleint side. |
| 18:43.47 | Dessy | jeffm! |
| 18:43.53 | Dessy | good to see u! |
| 18:44.06 | JeffM2501 | hello Dessy |
| 18:44.08 | Dessy | i have now installed the Visual Studio 2005 |
| 18:44.11 | Manu | only 4 slots :/ |
| 18:44.21 | JeffM2501 | yeah we went down |
| 18:44.23 | Dessy | and have the bzflag compiled |
| 18:44.33 | JeffM2501 | Dessy, good for you |
| 18:44.38 | ts | Chestal: It means I will try to give it a little start.. |
| 18:45.01 | Dessy | but if i want to run the file on a other computer the same problem how i use the express edition |
| 18:45.24 | Chestal | if we ever get the source and the doc in sync again, maybe we should enforce the policy that no protocol change may be submitted without the corresponding change to the doc |
| 18:45.29 | RatOmeter | So I guess things are about to get busy here with Googley-eyed Coders? |
| 18:45.30 | JeffM2501 | Dessy, you have EE or full? |
| 18:45.35 | Dessy | full |
| 18:45.51 | JeffM2501 | you need to distribute the runtime libraries |
| 18:46.28 | Dessy | aha |
| 18:46.33 | Dessy | how? |
| 18:46.44 | JeffM2501 | package them with the exe |
| 18:46.53 | JeffM2501 | copy them to the other computer. |
| 18:47.47 | Dessy | i must craete the setup you mean |
| 18:47.58 | JeffM2501 | how you get the files there, that is up to you |
| 18:48.18 | JeffM2501 | if you are using our installer, yes you will have to modify it to copy the VC8 runtimes |
| 18:48.27 | JeffM2501 | if you are just ziping up some files, then you put them in the zip |
| 18:49.02 | Dessy | aha |
| 18:50.04 | Dessy | i will try it again |
| 18:52.31 | Dessy | ok he build now the complete bzflag |
| 18:52.43 | Dessy | project |
| 18:54.50 | Daveman | brlcad, you around? :) |
| 18:55.02 | brlcad | nope |
| 18:56.00 | Dessy | ok now he has said he has created 5 files |
| 18:58.23 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r14016 10/branches/v2_0_cs_branch/bzflag/data/ (materials.lo.xml world): Going to low quality mode |
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| 19:01.48 | Daveman | aw :P |
| 19:01.59 | Dessy | ah |
| 19:02.09 | Dessy | i dont have dll files why? |
| 19:02.20 | Dessy | *.dll files |
| 19:07.33 | Manu | brlcad: aren't you around? ;) |
| 19:07.51 | tupone | brlcad, you around? |
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| 19:08.36 | Erroneous | brlcad: you around? |
| 19:09.25 | CThinkTanker | what's ducati's league chanell? |
| 19:09.28 | CThinkTanker | channel* |
| 19:09.43 | brlcad | no! |
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| 19:10.11 | Chestal | CThinkTanker: there's ##ducleague |
| 19:10.15 | Manu | brlcad: so for my negative question your are around ;) |
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| 19:10.55 | CThinkTanker | oh thanks, Chestal |
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| 19:11.46 | Winny | never did |
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| 19:15.43 | Daveman | heehee |
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| 19:21.24 | brlcad | tannerld: whan that April, with his shoures soote |
| 19:21.43 | tannerld | i:P |
| 19:24.03 | eTangenT | sh |
| 19:24.07 | eTangenT | I'm trying to make a map here |
| 19:24.11 | eTangenT | :P |
| 19:24.22 | Winny | :p |
| 19:24.28 | Winny | still going eh? |
| 19:26.16 | eTangenT | yeah |
| 19:26.45 | eTangenT | there needs to be an anti-flag parameter for zones |
| 19:26.50 | eTangenT | it could come in very handy |
| 19:29.54 | eTangenT | hey Winny, if a pyramid is drive through, on top of a box, someone is below the box and drops the flag... the flag shouldn't be sitting inside the pyramid, should it? |
| 19:31.00 | Winny | nope |
| 19:31.05 | Winny | should go to the middle... |
| 19:31.06 | eTangenT | well, taht's what it's doing |
| 19:31.11 | eTangenT | hm |
| 19:31.13 | Winny | wait |
| 19:31.14 | eTangenT | oh wait |
| 19:31.16 | Winny | drive through? |
| 19:31.18 | eTangenT | maybe it did go mid |
| 19:31.20 | eTangenT | yeah, drive through |
| 19:31.21 | Winny | then yeah |
| 19:31.28 | eTangenT | alright |
| 19:31.28 | Winny | I thought you said shoot through |
| 19:31.32 | eTangenT | workaround time |
| 19:31.37 | Daveman | Hey Etangent :P |
| 19:31.43 | eTangenT | yo Daveman |
| 19:31.45 | Daveman | what's the latest? |
| 19:32.50 | eTangenT | nm |
| 19:33.09 | eTangenT | hey Winny, I need it drivethrough because there's a fall down to the base here... which won't work if it's solid |
| 19:33.22 | eTangenT | this is going to be difficult now... I hate you |
| 19:33.25 | Winny | hmm |
| 19:33.36 | Winny | what about making the pyr shootthough? |
| 19:33.53 | eTangenT | it NEEDS to be drivethrough |
| 19:33.59 | eTangenT | but should shootthrough work? |
| 19:35.12 | Winny | uhh |
| 19:35.13 | Daveman | driveby |
| 19:35.15 | Winny | one sec |
| 19:35.18 | Winny | I am confusing myself |
| 19:36.14 | eTangenT | yeah, it sits in the pyramid |
| 19:36.31 | Winny | but if they can get to it, then what is the problem? |
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| 19:37.34 | eTangenT | they CAN'T |
| 19:37.46 | Winny | but its't drive through! |
| 19:37.53 | Winny | is the map up anywhere? |
| 19:37.58 | eTangenT | no |
| 19:38.01 | Winny | ugh |
| 19:38.01 | eTangenT | the pyr is drivethrough |
| 19:38.04 | eTangenT | the box under it ISN'T |
| 19:38.22 | Winny | so, they jump onto the box to get to the pyr? |
| 19:38.35 | eTangenT | no, the point of the pyr was to keep the flags from going there |
| 19:38.38 | *** join/#bzflag big_daddy2 (n=48f122db@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 19:38.41 | eTangenT | because you can't get outside the base area and go there |
| 19:38.51 | Winny | then make it solid? |
| 19:39.09 | eTangenT | but I have a drop down from a higher level in the middle of the base |
| 19:39.16 | eTangenT | and if I make the pyr solid, it interferes with that |
| 19:39.20 | Winny | please post a screenshot |
| 19:39.25 | eTangenT | guess I'll have to make a bunch of pyramids then |
| 19:39.32 | eTangenT | to go around the drop |
| 19:39.47 | eTangenT | tannerld: I was going to ask there, but nobody's home. |
| 19:39.53 | eTangenT | Anyways, I think I got a solution. |
| 19:39.55 | eTangenT | Thanks |
| 19:39.55 | Winny | tannerld: we're discussing some type of devlopment :p |
| 19:40.04 | tannerld | Winny is there :P |
| 19:40.12 | eTangenT | tannerld: Like I said, nobody's home. |
| 19:40.14 | eTangenT | :P |
| 19:40.17 | tannerld | lol |
| 19:40.39 | Winny | :) |
| 19:42.31 | *** join/#bzflag a_meteorite (n=a_meteor@unaffiliated/ameteorite/x-000000001) |
| 19:45.28 | a_meteorite | OMG! BZFlag is dying! The thread says so! |
| 19:45.33 | a_meteorite | Hah, I love that thread. ;) |
| 19:45.50 | Daveman | hoenoes |
| 19:45.58 | Daveman | who? what? where? when? |
| 19:46.03 | Daveman | :) |
| 19:46.09 | a_meteorite | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=10443 |
| 19:46.26 | Daveman | Aha :P |
| 19:46.40 | Winny | help! |
| 19:46.45 | Winny | Im dying and I can't get up! |
| 19:46.52 | Daveman | oops? |
| 19:46.58 | a_meteorite | If you're dying, then you don't need to get up. |
| 19:50.42 | blast007 | a_meteorite: what if he's dying BECAUSE he can't get up? |
| 19:51.12 | a_meteorite | Well, then... Wait, how do you die because you can't get up? |
| 19:51.41 | Winny | blood not rushing to the brain :p |
| 19:51.48 | a_meteorite | Piranhas on the ground? |
| 19:52.02 | Winny | yeah, I fell into a fish tank |
| 19:52.40 | Winny | shouldn't do that, met. |
| 19:52.42 | a_meteorite | ick. |
| 19:53.08 | a_meteorite | Optimizing LightTPD when it's already fast is fun... |
| 19:53.51 | *** join/#bzflag Arsage (n=lee137@pool-71-98-111-167.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 19:54.26 | Dessy | yay! |
| 19:54.39 | a_meteorite | ? |
| 19:54.49 | Dessy | the [Links] Clan Bzflag edition work! |
| 19:55.15 | a_meteorite | Um, why would a team clan want "enhancements" to your client? |
| 19:55.31 | a_meteorite | Sounds vaguely familiar to cheats. But, I would love to hear them. |
| 19:55.36 | Dessy | no |
| 19:55.41 | Dessy | only better thinks |
| 19:55.44 | Dessy | things |
| 19:55.47 | a_meteorite | Like? |
| 19:55.50 | Dessy | uhm |
| 19:55.50 | Winny | yeah, cheats make things better |
| 19:55.55 | Dessy | lool |
| 19:56.23 | Dessy | The radar and the chat is split |
| 19:56.28 | Dessy | see here: |
| 19:56.57 | Dessy | http://bzbb.bzflag.at/files/timriker_on_xbox_151.png |
| 19:57.11 | Dessy | round mousebox |
| 19:57.26 | a_meteorite | I don't know how a round mousebox is particularly useful. |
| 19:57.33 | a_meteorite | But the split radar and chat is nice. |
| 19:57.37 | Dessy | ya |
| 19:57.51 | Dessy | auto say sry at teamkill |
| 19:58.03 | Winny | rofl |
| 19:58.06 | Dessy | 32 Joystick bouttons support |
| 19:58.10 | Winny | you needed that that bad? :p |
| 19:58.15 | Dessy | no |
| 19:58.17 | Dessy | :P |
| 19:58.25 | Dessy | links was boring :P |
| 19:58.49 | Dessy | The client say if the FPS is to slow |
| 19:59.02 | Dessy | fps show like Counter strike: |
| 19:59.23 | a_meteorite | Yeah, color coded. I see. |
| 19:59.39 | a_meteorite | And a shot guiding thing on the radar. |
| 19:59.39 | Dessy | Over 30 FPS is green; all under 10 is red |
| 19:59.44 | Dessy | ya |
| 19:59.56 | Dessy | that isnt a cheat or? |
| 20:00.07 | a_meteorite | It was decided, IIRC, that no it isn't. |
| 20:00.12 | *** join/#bzflag poolio (n=poolio@c-69-251-3-107.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 20:00.17 | Dessy | only a bit help :P |
| 20:00.31 | a_meteorite | Cause someone could do that with a marker on the screen (apparently some have?) |
| 20:00.38 | CThinkTanker | hey. is using F5 cheating? |
| 20:00.43 | a_meteorite | CThinkTanker: Yes. |
| 20:00.56 | a_meteorite | Generally it is accepted that it is, because the objects were never intended to go through. |
| 20:00.57 | JeffM2501 | generaly if it is ued to get an unfair advanatage |
| 20:01.13 | CThinkTanker | right |
| 20:01.29 | CThinkTanker | but everyone can take advantage of it, as long as they know the key |
| 20:01.30 | Dessy | u speak with me or CThinkTanker? |
| 20:01.30 | JeffM2501 | just taking a screenshot isn't, but if your point is taking a screenshot to get somewhere you shouldn't be able to, then that is a cheat that just happens to use screenshot |
| 20:01.38 | JeffM2501 | it's not a "feature" |
| 20:01.45 | JeffM2501 | it's a bug that will be fixed |
| 20:01.54 | a_meteorite | It was never designed to to do that, even if everyone knows they can. |
| 20:02.05 | JeffM2501 | you can do the same thing if you unplug your network cable ;) |
| 20:02.07 | a_meteorite | Some things are meant to be certain ways, like objects that are solid. |
| 20:02.11 | CThinkTanker | oh it's a bug? ok |
| 20:02.15 | JeffM2501 | it's still the intent as an exploit |
| 20:02.15 | a_meteorite | Yes it is... |
| 20:02.28 | Dessy | a good feature is Shift + F9 |
| 20:02.36 | CThinkTanker | what's that? |
| 20:02.43 | Winny | make syou fly |
| 20:02.46 | a_meteorite | Haha |
| 20:02.50 | JeffM2501 | yes, the physics code shoulld not do that on a lag spike |
| 20:02.55 | Dessy | with them u can start a countdown, stop and resume the countdown |
| 20:02.58 | a_meteorite | I'm thinking that's Expose on Mac OS X in slow motion. |
| 20:03.01 | a_meteorite | Oh, darn. |
| 20:04.17 | Dessy | ah i will upload the bzflag and u can try it under windows |
| 20:04.18 | Dessy | ;) |
| 20:04.31 | Dessy | u will see that we dont build a cheat client |
| 20:05.29 | a_meteorite | Winmoos! |
| 20:05.33 | Winny | ~moo |
| 20:05.45 | ibot | mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/ and http://www.riddleme.com/html/cow2.html |
| 20:05.45 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 20:05.45 | ts | JeffM2501: I can't drive though a wall when I unplug my network cable |
| 20:05.48 | Winny | yay! |
| 20:05.55 | Daveman | hehe |
| 20:05.57 | CThinkTanker | LOLLLLL |
| 20:05.59 | JeffM2501 | ts, you have to do it JUST right ;) |
| 20:06.09 | CThinkTanker | funny |
| 20:06.14 | tannerld | apt-get moo |
| 20:06.16 | ts | JeffM2501: huh? |
| 20:06.17 | JeffM2501 | there are ways to generate a frame lag |
| 20:06.17 | Daveman | yes |
| 20:06.29 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: That would be fixable though, if packets were all timestamped? ... I think I heard something about that to reduce jitter. |
| 20:06.38 | a_meteorite | Or something LIKE that. |
| 20:06.39 | ts | Ah..but bz doesn't hang for me when I put the cable out |
| 20:06.41 | JeffM2501 | you can't redude jitter |
| 20:06.47 | JeffM2501 | ts, then that is good for you |
| 20:06.52 | a_meteorite | Oh. I must of heard wrong. |
| 20:07.02 | JeffM2501 | you can reduce the EFFECTs of jitter |
| 20:07.08 | JeffM2501 | but not the actual jitter value |
| 20:07.09 | a_meteorite | Ah. |
| 20:07.41 | a_meteorite | So, that means like using F5 and network cable unplugging effects could be reduced? |
| 20:07.52 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 20:07.58 | JeffM2501 | the timestamp has nothing to do with it |
| 20:08.08 | JeffM2501 | other changes to our physcics code help with that |
| 20:08.25 | a_meteorite | Checks would need to be done on the server side, though? |
| 20:08.41 | a_meteorite | Cause if you stick the physics stuff all in the client... well, that could easily be circumvented. :) |
| 20:08.47 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 20:08.58 | JeffM2501 | if you assume a moded client, they can do anything |
| 20:09.01 | JeffM2501 | that's another problem |
| 20:09.09 | JeffM2501 | we are talking about unmoded clients |
| 20:09.14 | a_meteorite | Ah ok. |
| 20:09.18 | JeffM2501 | F5 is not comparable to moded clients |
| 20:09.28 | JeffM2501 | cus if you mod the client, why bother taking screenshots |
| 20:09.31 | JeffM2501 | just drive thru the wall ;) |
| 20:09.41 | a_meteorite | Though bzfs checking tanks' positions and seeing where the tank should really be, is a good idea. |
| 20:09.47 | JeffM2501 | yes it is |
| 20:09.56 | gsnedders | wall? what wall? :P |
| 20:09.57 | JeffM2501 | but it's a more complex solution then just that statement |
| 20:09.58 | gsnedders | I didn't see no wall! |
| 20:10.09 | a_meteorite | Yeah, easier said than done. :) |
| 20:10.20 | a_meteorite | gsnedders: Cause it was invisible! ;) |
| 20:10.52 | Dessy | its uploaded |
| 20:11.43 | Dessy | http://links-clan.net/download/bzflag-2.0.10-Links-Clan Edition.exe |
| 20:11.53 | Dessy | hm |
| 20:12.16 | Dessy | http://links-clan.net/download/bzflag-2.0.10-Links-Clan-Edition.exe |
| 20:12.17 | Dessy | so |
| 20:12.47 | *** join/#bzflag Birdie (n=Birdie@d54C12333.access.telenet.be) |
| 20:13.39 | CThinkTanker | oh |
| 20:13.48 | CThinkTanker | a newer version? |
| 20:14.04 | a_meteorite | No, that's Links' version. |
| 20:14.30 | CThinkTanker | alright |
| 20:14.45 | JeffM2501 | what is changed in that version Dessy ? |
| 20:15.05 | JeffM2501 | and PLEASE do not call it 2.0.10 |
| 20:15.17 | JeffM2501 | it is not an offical release version |
| 20:15.34 | Dessy | ow! |
| 20:15.35 | Dessy | ok |
| 20:15.47 | JeffM2501 | also do you have a link to the source? |
| 20:15.48 | Dessy | i write a text at the moment |
| 20:15.55 | Dessy | ya |
| 20:16.17 | JeffM2501 | it is best that you provide the source in the same place as the download |
| 20:16.25 | Dessy | http://links-clan.net/download/bzflag.rar |
| 20:16.29 | JeffM2501 | great |
| 20:16.31 | Dessy | here it is |
| 20:16.41 | blast007 | 39MB |
| 20:16.48 | blast007 | might want to clean out the build files |
| 20:16.49 | Dessy | ya :P |
| 20:16.57 | Dessy | ow |
| 20:17.05 | Dessy | ok then i will do that later |
| 20:17.17 | JeffM2501 | good lord why is the source so big? |
| 20:17.21 | Dessy | but how i can rename the edition? |
| 20:17.30 | JeffM2501 | you changed the name to make it 2.0.10 |
| 20:17.36 | JeffM2501 | just undo that change |
| 20:17.45 | JeffM2501 | it's 2.0.9 with some mods |
| 20:17.46 | Dessy | ya |
| 20:17.54 | Dessy | ok then 2.0.9? |
| 20:17.59 | JeffM2501 | I would also put in some readme exactly what you changed. |
| 20:18.04 | Dessy | ok |
| 20:18.11 | Dessy | that i write at the moment |
| 20:19.00 | Dessy | ok the name we will change |
| 20:19.27 | Dessy | ok that will i do now |
| 20:19.35 | JBdiGriz | The .tgz claims it is 2.0.8. Is that the same source as the rar? |
| 20:21.46 | Dessy | no |
| 20:22.07 | CThinkTanker | I like that radar addition in Links clan edition |
| 20:22.53 | Dessy | :) |
| 20:23.03 | Dessy | i will upload the new file soon ;) |
| 20:23.29 | a_meteorite | Dessy: I saw the Links clan site has web-league mods, what are they and can you provide a diff instead of all the files? |
| 20:23.35 | CThinkTanker | oh the mountains are better |
| 20:23.44 | Dessy | ya :P |
| 20:25.01 | blast007 | 146MB extracted ;) |
| 20:25.15 | JeffM2501 | did he include the object files? |
| 20:25.33 | Dessy | object files? |
| 20:25.54 | JeffM2501 | the obj |
| 20:26.08 | JeffM2501 | your source package seems too big |
| 20:26.21 | JeffM2501 | did you zip up after you did a build? if so you have all your extra build cruft in there |
| 20:26.22 | Dessy | links say he has it deleted |
| 20:26.29 | Dessy | ya |
| 20:26.35 | Dessy | thats right... |
| 20:26.35 | CThinkTanker | favorites :D awesome |
| 20:26.39 | Dessy | i have see it |
| 20:26.45 | Dessy | i will clean it later |
| 20:26.52 | JeffM2501 | CThinkTanker, faves are in 2.0.9 |
| 20:26.58 | JeffM2501 | and 2.1 |
| 20:26.59 | Dessy | yay |
| 20:27.02 | Dessy | ya |
| 20:27.03 | blast007 | it has all the builds files in the archive |
| 20:27.06 | Dessy | but he has an bug |
| 20:27.11 | CThinkTanker | I have 2.0.8 |
| 20:27.21 | JeffM2501 | well then that won't have favs |
| 20:27.40 | Dessy | i add some servers to the favs and have closed it |
| 20:27.50 | Dessy | if i start it is cleaned |
| 20:28.00 | Dessy | no server in the fav list : |
| 20:28.03 | Dessy | :( |
| 20:28.10 | JeffM2501 | welcome to untested code ;) |
| 20:28.18 | Dessy | hehe |
| 20:29.31 | CThinkTanker | ah yep that's right |
| 20:29.38 | Dessy | i have forgot to say |
| 20:31.39 | Dessy | in this version is only the game |
| 20:31.39 | Dessy | not the bzfs or the bzadmin .exe |
| 20:31.40 | JeffM2501 | then REALY don't call it 2.0.10 ;) |
| 20:31.40 | tannerld | lol |
| 20:31.40 | Dessy | i have already changed it |
| 20:33.03 | a_meteorite | Dessy: Can you respond to my question above..? |
| 20:33.08 | a_meteorite | Dessy: I saw the Links clan site has web-league mods, what are they and can you provide a diff instead of all the files? |
| 20:33.23 | a_meteorite | Seeing that somehow you're affiliated with Links. |
| 20:42.52 | JeffM2501 | dude, you have 2 copies of the data ir |
| 20:42.54 | JeffM2501 | dir |
| 20:43.07 | Erroneous | twice the data, twice the fun! |
| 20:43.24 | JeffM2501 | and a bunch of bins in your source |
| 20:43.42 | a_meteorite | CThinkTanker: Whack yourself in the back. |
| 20:44.57 | ruskie | hmmm apparnetly Big_Daddy2 was on viper annoying us with him doing some profile of the map or some such... alaias PETER |
| 20:44.58 | CBG | Wow. CThinkTanker: you're exactly like me. If I was choking, the first thing I would do is tell everyone on IRC "hey, I'm choking", rather than actually trying to save my own life... |
| 20:45.25 | CThinkTanker | I'm glad we have something in common |
| 20:45.29 | *** join/#bzflag TD-Linux (n=TD-Linux@about/essy/indecisive/TD-Linux) |
| 20:45.39 | CThinkTanker | next time we're in a room together, we can try to not save each other from choking |
| 20:46.02 | a_meteorite | ruskie: Did you mean PETER is big_daddy2's alias? |
| 20:46.13 | a_meteorite | I'm not surprised. |
| 20:46.13 | JeffM2501 | ruskie, you are saying he is also PETER? |
| 20:46.13 | JeffM2501 | how do you know this? |
| 20:46.16 | ruskie | his email field |
| 20:46.23 | ruskie | Big Daddy 2 owns or some such |
| 20:46.24 | JeffM2501 | did he have a +? |
| 20:46.27 | Winny | haha, forgot to change it |
| 20:46.28 | ruskie | yup |
| 20:46.31 | a_meteorite | lol.. |
| 20:46.31 | JeffM2501 | hmmm |
| 20:46.42 | CBG | http://bash.org/?60469 |
| 20:46.45 | Winny | Even I have the common sense to remove my email |
| 20:46.52 | a_meteorite | Either PETER wanted to be like him, or he really was him. |
| 20:47.01 | *** join/#bzflag Raziel (n=Raziel@cm245164.red83-165.mundo-r.com) |
| 20:47.05 | CThinkTanker | awwwwwww PETER is always so nice |
| 20:47.19 | Winny | sicsofrenic! |
| 20:47.22 | donny_baker | i don't think they are the same... i just think big_daddy_2 has given him admin privs |
| 20:47.29 | CBG | both PETER and bd2 are odd enough to want to be each other. it's possible. |
| 20:47.49 | Winny | CBG: :D |
| 20:47.50 | ruskie | well I guess annoyance factor is quite high |
| 20:47.52 | donny_baker | PETER is coherient (sp?), big_daddy_2 is not |
| 20:48.07 | a_meteorite | coherent |
| 20:48.08 | JeffM2501 | peter is not that great ether |
| 20:48.16 | Winny | donny... how did you esape from the closet? |
| 20:48.20 | a_meteorite | PETER I found annoying. |
| 20:48.31 | CBG | they're both as bad as each other, but kinda different too. |
| 20:48.36 | CThinkTanker | nope, but he is polite always |
| 20:48.52 | tannerld | Winny: lol |
| 20:49.06 | a_meteorite | http://my.bzflag.org/playerinfo.php?callsign=PETER |
| 20:49.18 | a_meteorite | "Email String: Big_Daddy 2 Rocks!!" lol... |
| 20:49.28 | Winny | haha |
| 20:49.30 | CThinkTanker | lol |
| 20:49.39 | Winny | im going to put that in MY email |
| 20:49.47 | a_meteorite | haha |
| 20:50.00 | CBG | we all should. start a cult. |
| 20:50.05 | Winny | someone with a all capital name said it, it must be true. |
| 20:50.14 | CBG | well duh. |
| 20:50.21 | a_meteorite | CBG: Good idea. Let's start a server named that too! |
| 20:50.27 | CThinkTanker | respect the capitalized name |
| 20:50.39 | CBG | <-- capitalised name. |
| 20:50.42 | a_meteorite | Either he'll really love it, or really hate it. |
| 20:50.47 | *** join/#bzflag gsnedders (n=gsnedder@host86-139-123-225.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) |
| 20:50.47 | WINNY | I AM AWESOME |
| 20:50.54 | a_meteorite | WINNY: We bow down to you. |
| 20:50.58 | CBG | But technically, "CBG" are initials. |
| 20:50.58 | WINNY | :p |
| 20:51.03 | CThinkTanker | I have caps in my name, get me a drink |
| 20:51.18 | a_meteorite | My name is lame compared to your superior names. |
| 20:51.26 | donny_baker | PETER is from the Netherlands, bid_daddy2 is from the US according to IPs |
| 20:51.27 | WINNY | space junk ;) |
| 20:51.41 | a_meteorite | donny_baker: Aw, darn. |
| 20:51.55 | *** part/#bzflag donny_baker (n=donny_ba@about/essy/vvvvv/donnybaker) |
| 20:51.58 | a_meteorite | :o |
| 20:52.03 | TD-Linux | my name is the best ever. |
| 20:52.40 | a_meteorite | I love halo3's web-site. He claims to be 35 years old ( http://freewebs.com/h3logger/ ) |
| 20:53.02 | WINNY_AWESOME | haha, the marquee |
| 20:53.05 | a_meteorite | Of course we all know that he really meant 3+5. |
| 20:53.19 | CThinkTanker | lol |
| 20:53.36 | WINNY_AWESOME | :p |
| 20:53.38 | a_meteorite | WINNY_AWESOME: I find the fire cursor trail to be more annoying... |
| 20:54.08 | a_meteorite | And the background. It's impossible to read anything. |
| 20:54.33 | a_meteorite | http://www.freewebs.com/h3logger/maps.htm ... haha he claims to own Island Hopping |
| 20:54.49 | CBG | dont be a nub, a_meteorite. |
| 20:54.59 | a_meteorite | ~dict nub |
| 20:55.01 | CBG | obviously you are just supposed to select everything |
| 20:55.11 | Winny | eeek |
| 20:55.15 | Winny | the harp music! |
| 20:55.19 | tannerld | a_meteorite: eeek |
| 20:55.27 | a_meteorite | tannerld: Uh? |
| 20:55.34 | tannerld | i can't even read anything on that site |
| 20:55.39 | CBG | llooll Winny |
| 20:55.44 | CBG | it's simpsons... :/ |
| 20:55.48 | a_meteorite | Select everything so you can read it. |
| 20:55.52 | Winny | its evil :p |
| 20:55.55 | CBG | I suppose he owns that too. |
| 20:56.10 | a_meteorite | Why on earth does he claim to own Island Hopping... I'd love to know. |
| 20:56.18 | JeffM2501 | I think he means maps he has |
| 20:56.20 | a_meteorite | Same with Two Castles, eh? |
| 20:56.21 | JeffM2501 | or has hosted |
| 20:56.24 | Winny | he copies names |
| 20:56.27 | Winny | of other maps |
| 20:56.30 | a_meteorite | "maps i own" |
| 20:56.38 | Winny | met: read up |
| 20:56.42 | CBG | He doesn't own any map's he says he does. |
| 20:56.44 | CBG | I am assuming he means he hosts them. |
| 20:56.49 | a_meteorite | Hah. |
| 20:56.59 | a_meteorite | should change the header to "MAP I HOST" |
| 20:57.02 | CBG | But then, I don't see servers with those maps hosted by him. |
| 20:57.04 | CThinkTanker | LMAO the cursor |
| 20:57.17 | a_meteorite | CThinkTanker: Yeah... I got a kick out of the music too. |
| 20:57.25 | tannerld | ooo |
| 20:57.27 | CBG | Notice the last link in the "menu". |
| 20:57.28 | Winny | http://digg.com/design/7_Things_you_don_t_see_in_Websites_today |
| 20:57.37 | CThinkTanker | I'm glad I don't hear it |
| 20:57.47 | CBG | "maps I made", therefore it's safe to assume he isn't trying to claim that he made the maps on the "maps" page. |
| 20:58.13 | a_meteorite | "map i own" doesn't imply that? :P |
| 20:58.30 | Winny | met: his own lame maps rip off names |
| 20:58.36 | tannerld | how confusing |
| 20:58.43 | a_meteorite | Winny: I figured that much... |
| 20:58.56 | Winny | www.bzfusion.net/home ... ;) |
| 20:58.59 | a_meteorite | I like his latest "laser mania" map |
| 20:59.07 | a_meteorite | Not really. |
| 20:59.11 | CThinkTanker | the HUGE map? |
| 20:59.16 | Winny | your a not rly |
| 20:59.23 | CThinkTanker | 2 team ctf? |
| 20:59.25 | a_meteorite | No, halo3's version of laser mania. |
| 21:00.05 | CThinkTanker | the background is priceless |
| 21:00.22 | Winny | -11 |
| 21:00.22 | Winny | hehe |
| 21:00.23 | a_meteorite | I like the page with the background of him using /flag give |
| 21:00.42 | Winny | I bet he is going to be the president of the US when he grows up |
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| 21:00.52 | a_meteorite | I surely hope not.. |
| 21:01.16 | CThinkTanker | that's what they said about Bush |
| 21:01.21 | Winny | exactly |
| 21:01.31 | Winny | he seems to be just about as smart, too |
| 21:01.34 | JeffM2501 | wow you guys are just bashtastic today |
| 21:01.53 | JeffM2501 | perhaps you shoudl make ##bzflag-player-pbashing |
| 21:02.20 | CBG | you mean #bzflag-player-bashing ? |
| 21:02.28 | JeffM2501 | or contact him and help him understand why his site is ugly |
| 21:02.51 | CBG | wait, I'm wrong too.... ##bzflag-player-bashing. |
| 21:03.00 | Winny | We'll just get "ur 2 jelos ov mi site cuz its beder den urs" |
| 21:03.04 | CThinkTanker | lol the bzfusion site. was it made in 95? |
| 21:03.10 | Winny | probably |
| 21:03.34 | a_meteorite | Winny: lol.. |
| 21:03.47 | JeffM2501 | yeah well when you ask children to be civil, I guess that never works. |
| 21:03.47 | CThinkTanker | LOLLLLLLL |
| 21:03.59 | JeffM2501 | but realy, this isn't the place for you guys to be riping on him |
| 21:04.00 | Winny | no it doesn't, just look at me :) |
| 21:04.36 | CBG | JeffM2501: is right. everyone join ##bzflag-player-bashing . |
| 21:05.00 | CThinkTanker | ohhhhhhhhhh wait. bzfusion just loaded completely. :)) it's very well organized. my bad |
| 21:06.11 | Winny | yay :) |
| 21:09.58 | CThinkTanker | if we can't bash, we have nothing to talk about :( |
| 21:10.31 | Winny | yeah |
| 21:10.36 | Winny | lets do the opposite |
| 21:10.44 | Winny | lets talk about how good god is |
| 21:11.12 | Erroneous | CThinkTanker: if you have nothing to talk about, perhaps you should not talk |
| 21:11.12 | CThinkTanker | god is muscular |
| 21:11.25 | a_meteorite | umm? |
| 21:11.43 | CThinkTanker | well yea, that's what constitutes having nothing to talk about |
| 21:11.44 | CThinkTanker | you don't talk |
| 21:11.48 | Winny | shh |
| 21:11.58 | Winny | Im tanner hunting |
| 21:13.59 | JeffM2501 | CThinkTanker, are you done babbling? |
| 21:15.14 | CThinkTanker | I'm just chatting like anyone else in here |
| 21:17.17 | Erroneous | CThinkTanker: "they're all doing it too" is no excuse |
| 21:17.18 | CThinkTanker | what am I doing? |
| 21:17.18 | Erroneous | and seriously guys, don't you have anything better to do? you've created like six pages of useless backlog in the last twenty minutes |
| 21:17.18 | Winny | If everyone is going 300miles an hour on the highway, you don't arrest any of them. |
| 21:17.18 | Winny | Just go with the flow ;) |
| 21:17.18 | CThinkTanker | seriously, what am I doing? |
| 21:17.18 | Winny | that was horrible, someone shoot me. |
| 21:17.37 | CBG | LOLOLZ!!! |
| 21:20.30 | JeffM2501 | can we make ibot auto kick anyone that types LOL? |
| 21:20.45 | a_meteorite | probably |
| 21:21.05 | Winny | like on #python :) |
| 21:21.17 | a_meteorite | Winny: now I want to try that.. |
| 21:21.29 | Winny | met: I forget where I heard it :p |
| 21:22.09 | a_meteorite | aw, nope |
| 21:22.22 | a_meteorite | their topic says "NO LOL", but "LOL" didn't get me autokicked :( |
| 21:22.35 | CBG | ROFL!! |
| 21:22.43 | JeffM2501 | that one too |
| 21:22.54 | CBG | PMSL!!!? |
| 21:23.01 | a_meteorite | pmsl? |
| 21:23.05 | *** kick/#bzflag [CBG!n=JeffM@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501] by JeffM2501 (JeffM2501) |
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| 21:23.20 | Winny | hmm |
| 21:23.33 | CBG | Hey, nobody actually said it was against any rules. |
| 21:23.39 | CBG | (not that I disagree with the decision) |
| 21:24.05 | JeffM2501 | good thing this isn't a democracy ;) |
| 21:24.32 | CBG | hell yeah |
| 21:24.34 | Winny | autocracys never work out in the end :) |
| 21:24.43 | CBG | 'cause I'd be banned all the time lol !! |
| 21:27.09 | CBG | www.bigboys.com |
| 21:27.14 | CBG | oh crap. ww... |
| 21:28.49 | JeffM2501 | hello daveman |
| 21:29.48 | Daveman | Greetings |
| 21:30.13 | Daveman | I'm laying out the bzfsAPI stuff at the moment :) |
| 21:30.25 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 21:30.29 | a_meteorite | Daveman: What are you adding? |
| 21:30.52 | Daveman | a_meteorite, to what? |
| 21:31.02 | a_meteorite | to the bzfs api |
| 21:31.47 | Daveman | Well, specifically that has yet to be determined, but gererally |
| 21:32.09 | a_meteorite | so what are you laying out? :) |
| 21:32.13 | Daveman | it seems to be slowly evolving and expanding any way |
| 21:32.18 | a_meteorite | I like to know things related to the bzfs api |
| 21:32.48 | Daveman | a_meteorite, trying to get an idea of what sort of things I'd have to add to provide the support my plugin would require to do provide the various admin functionality |
| 21:32.53 | TD-Linux | it's a socket interface, right? |
| 21:32.56 | Daveman | ah, okay - I'll keep a note of that :) |
| 21:33.03 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 21:33.06 | a_meteorite | I'm really into it |
| 21:33.20 | a_meteorite | even if you're thinking about stuff, I'd love to hear it |
| 21:35.36 | Daveman | Alright cool |
| 21:35.50 | Daveman | maybe I'll [finally] setup a web thing, to document my work :P |
| 21:36.08 | a_meteorite | wiki :) |
| 21:36.14 | Daveman | yeah |
| 21:36.22 | Daveman | perhaps |
| 21:36.47 | JeffM2501 | you can document it in a doc in your source |
| 21:36.56 | a_meteorite | yeah, a changelog |
| 21:37.00 | CBG | blogs are just simple CMSs imho. |
| 21:37.01 | a_meteorite | or an ideas log |
| 21:37.07 | JeffM2501 | or just you know.. docs |
| 21:37.15 | a_meteorite | yeah. |
| 21:38.08 | TD-Linux | wordpress is good but bloatedish. |
| 21:38.21 | CBG | textedit works for me, personally. |
| 21:38.25 | a_meteorite | modding phpbb to make a blog out of it would be fun |
| 21:38.27 | CBG | + MAMP of course. |
| 21:38.45 | daxxar | What's the M in MAMP? |
| 21:38.46 | CBG | a_meteorite: probably easier to write a blog from scratch |
| 21:38.48 | daxxar | The first. :p |
| 21:39.00 | a_meteorite | daxxar: mysql |
| 21:39.02 | JeffM2501 | Daveman, have you found anything so far that we don't have as an API call yet? |
| 21:39.12 | CBG | Mac, daxxar |
| 21:39.16 | JeffM2501 | to get the thing somewhat BACK on topic |
| 21:39.19 | daxxar | CBG: Ah. :-) |
| 21:39.22 | CBG | Mac - Apache, MySQL, PHP. |
| 21:39.24 | daxxar | a_meteorite: That's the second M ;-) |
| 21:39.27 | Daveman | yes, sorry |
| 21:39.38 | Daveman | I swear, I didn't mean to start anything! :P |
| 21:39.48 | JeffM2501 | you didn't |
| 21:39.51 | a_meteorite | CBG: nah, add a new type to sticky and announcements |
| 21:40.02 | a_meteorite | then select that and get all the post info... replies can be comments |
| 21:40.08 | Daveman | rowdy bunch of kids |
| 21:40.13 | CBG | heh |
| 21:40.19 | Daveman | Jeff, let me look through the souce again |
| 21:40.23 | CBG | Daveman: get my death threat yet? |
| 21:40.28 | Daveman | I started making annotations here and there |
| 21:40.33 | Daveman | CBG, excuse me? |
| 21:40.44 | CBG | Kidding. :) |
| 21:41.00 | JeffM2501 | when SoC Starts, if you guys keep throwing crap into real discussions, then where will be real problems. |
| 21:41.12 | JeffM2501 | it's getting very annoying |
| 21:41.17 | JeffM2501 | this is primaraly a development channel |
| 21:41.23 | CBG | yeah, this aint the place for talking about blogs, phpbb and mamp. |
| 21:41.39 | Daveman | maybe create a leisure channel? |
| 21:41.44 | CBG | go to ##bzflag-player-bashing. :) |
| 21:41.45 | JeffM2501 | it's ok to have small off topics when it's not geting in the way of other stuff, but don't get it in the middle of real work, ok. |
| 21:41.45 | Winny | #bzchat |
| 21:41.46 | Daveman | #bzchat? |
| 21:41.47 | Daveman | haha |
| 21:42.03 | CBG | there are rules at #bzchat also. :| |
| 21:42.04 | JeffM2501 | just use your common sense |
| 21:42.15 | JeffM2501 | chat will be more lienent |
| 21:42.26 | JeffM2501 | for that, just don't inturupt somone asking for hlep |
| 21:42.29 | JeffM2501 | help |
| 21:42.29 | Erroneous | common sense...heh...how's that for an oxymoron |
| 21:42.29 | CBG | but not infinitely so. |
| 21:42.31 | Daveman | Thanks Jeff. |
| 21:42.38 | JeffM2501 | or direct them to a better channel |
| 21:42.48 | Daveman | JeffM, is irrelevant discourse permitted in #bzchat? |
| 21:42.53 | JeffM2501 | just know it goes help > dev > chat |
| 21:43.01 | JeffM2501 | Daveman, depends how far off it may go |
| 21:43.14 | Erroneous | basically yes |
| 21:43.16 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:43.27 | Daveman | Far off? Deviation from average sanity, or from a hypothetical topic? |
| 21:43.36 | JeffM2501 | I mean it's not the place for politicial discussions at lenght, but yeah chat that other may find intersting, sure |
| 21:43.56 | JeffM2501 | like the merrits of other software/hardware/games, whatever |
| 21:44.00 | Erroneous | spamming/bot abuse/etc is still not allowable, but yeah, there's no real topic limit |
| 21:44.03 | Daveman | Granted, no trolling, spamming, asshattery, etc, but blatant off-topic discussion, as displayed just a moment ago :) |
| 21:44.54 | JeffM2501 | but back on topic, you said you were laying it out, what do you have so far? |
| 21:46.31 | Daveman | hmm, incidentally I also have to co the latest code |
| 21:47.22 | Daveman | Jeff, one sec, I'm reading through my notes :) |
| 21:54.48 | Daveman | hmm, nothing much to report as of yet, but I'll let you know, as I see or think of things (re: API changes) |
| 21:55.04 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 21:55.49 | JeffM2501 | tho I'm not sure what you have layed out then :) |
| 21:56.05 | Daveman | I'm mostly sorting through the source familiarizing myself with each portion which I'll have to consider, specifically, so it'll be easier for me to plan sections of it, moreover, it will be easy for me to refer to when asking questions :) |
| 21:56.42 | Daveman | I'm basically trying to match up what steps I'll have to go through with specific portions of the source and what I should start doing when... |
| 21:56.43 | JeffM2501 | ok, so your familarising yourelf, that's good |
| 21:56.50 | Daveman | I think so, yes. |
| 21:57.01 | Daveman | Now that I have more [relaxed] time to do so :) |
| 21:57.04 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 21:58.13 | Daveman | Well, it's nice that I'm not racing to familiarize myself with key aspects of it, frantically :P |
| 21:58.59 | Daveman | Plus, just hanging out, and observing your work, as well as some development conversation has helped me to get a better grasp with regards to the current state of certain portions of the code/API and even what some plans for it are. |
| 21:59.25 | JeffM2501 | we have no plans |
| 21:59.27 | JeffM2501 | ;) |
| 22:00.06 | Daveman | or so you'd lead us to believe ;) |
| 22:00.12 | JeffM2501 | it is a truth |
| 22:00.17 | Daveman | okay :) |
| 22:00.41 | Daveman | I guess everyone just has their own, backburner, subtle agendas :) |
| 22:00.53 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 22:00.56 | JeffM2501 | yes they do |
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| 22:03.36 | Winny | "Be nice to american... or we'll bring democracy to your country" |
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| 22:14.15 | Winny | Forgot here too, jeff. |
| 22:14.25 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 22:14.35 | JeffM2501 | unless you push it |
| 22:15.19 | TD-Linux | that can be fixed. |
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| 22:36.28 | Winny | I need air. bbl. |
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| 22:57.35 | jude- | hello all |
| 22:57.50 | jude- | brlcad: what did you mean by "basic requirements"? |
| 22:58.15 | brlcad | jude-: howdy |
| 22:58.31 | brlcad | well, did you follow the link? :) |
| 22:58.49 | jude- | hello brlcad |
| 22:58.51 | brlcad | there are some basic operating expectations to help keep tabs on progress |
| 22:59.23 | jude- | Ahh...that |
| 22:59.24 | brlcad | and to help decrease chances that there would be a conflict down the road come time to integrate |
| 22:59.37 | Erroneous | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code_Acceptance I believe |
| 23:00.05 | jude- | Yes, I accept |
| 23:00.06 | brlcad | as well as just making sure there aren't misunderstandings about "basic expectations/requirements/rules" |
| 23:00.17 | jude- | there are no misunderstandings |
| 23:00.29 | jude- | I agree to your dev requirements |
| 23:00.31 | brlcad | there are undoubtedly other criteria, but we can work through those |
| 23:00.46 | brlcad | those were just the ones that pretty much apply to all devs |
| 23:00.52 | jude- | right |
| 23:00.53 | brlcad | even existing for that matter |
| 23:00.59 | brlcad | cept for progress reports :) |
| 23:01.13 | JeffM2501 | and developer cupcake day |
| 23:01.16 | Erroneous | and milestones |
| 23:01.19 | jude- | well, I commented on my application saying "I agree" |
| 23:02.08 | jude- | brlcad: hehe--I thought by "basic requirements," you meant the requirements for the program :) |
| 23:02.10 | JeffM2501 | cool, I like cupcakes with sprinkes. |
| 23:02.16 | brlcad | jude-: yes, I noticed :) |
| 23:02.34 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 23:02.43 | brlcad | or pie |
| 23:02.49 | JeffM2501 | we have a couple weeks before we split SVN right? |
| 23:02.59 | JeffM2501 | for there branch |
| 23:03.00 | brlcad | like a month |
| 23:03.03 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 23:04.12 | JeffM2501 | so no water for you |
| 23:04.20 | Daveman | eww |
| 23:04.47 | Daveman | what's next, a stick of butter? |
| 23:05.04 | jude- | why not? |
| 23:05.05 | Winny | sure |
| 23:05.08 | JeffM2501 | everyone pray for more slots :) |
| 23:05.12 | Erroneous | people traveling in arctic regions regularly consume sticks of butter |
| 23:05.34 | Daveman | I wish ;) |
| 23:06.05 | Daveman | Let me see if anyone is willing to trade... |
| 23:06.47 | jude- | brlcad: is the comment sufficient? |
| 23:07.04 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 23:07.16 | purple_cow | someone should set up planet bzflag |
| 23:07.24 | JeffM2501 | probably |
| 23:07.27 | brlcad | jude-: yes, it is |
| 23:07.33 | jude- | kk |
| 23:07.36 | Daveman | That arranged, can be. |
| 23:07.38 | brlcad | purple_cow: google is setting one up |
| 23:07.45 | Daveman | haha |
| 23:07.47 | Winny | What does that mean? |
| 23:07.58 | JeffM2501 | er can set up our own if we get another slot :) |
| 23:08.30 | brlcad | purple_cow: never had afaik |
| 23:08.44 | Daveman | :) |
| 23:08.49 | brlcad | purple_cow: pm me account details if you want it set up |
| 23:10.00 | jude- | brlcad: I'd have posted sooner, but I thought I already told you |
| 23:10.22 | jude- | I'm sorry |
| 23:10.52 | JBdiGriz | Developer Beer Day will be sometime during the week of August 5-9 |
| 23:11.01 | purple_cow | developer beer day? |
| 23:11.02 | Erroneous | woohoo |
| 23:11.31 | JBdiGriz | We will probably have a sushi day sometime during that week as well. |
| 23:11.40 | Daveman | What happens then? |
| 23:12.14 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous and I drive for 3 horus |
| 23:12.38 | JBdiGriz | Pick up SportChick and Mozul on your way down. |
| 23:12.42 | Erroneous | yay for egyptian sun gods ;) |
| 23:12.45 | JeffM2501 | we'll need a van |
| 23:12.47 | Daveman | o.O |
| 23:12.53 | Winny | haha DTR |
| 23:13.06 | Daveman | Oh, yous just meet up, and throw a kegger? :P |
| 23:13.10 | JBdiGriz | We might pick out a place a little farther north so it won't be quite as bad. |
| 23:13.14 | Daveman | s/yous/you guys/ |
| 23:13.36 | JeffM2501 | that'd be cool |
| 23:13.41 | JBdiGriz | We will probably meet at a micro-brewery rather than throwing a kegger. |
| 23:13.46 | JeffM2501 | purpie and scanlime comin down? |
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| 23:13.56 | Daveman | Where at? |
| 23:14.11 | JBdiGriz | Stone has opened a nice restaurant with a bunch of great options up in Escondido. |
| 23:14.13 | Daveman | socal? -_- |
| 23:14.29 | JBdiGriz | San Diego County, during Siggraph |
| 23:14.31 | purple_cow | hmm, I dunno |
| 23:14.34 | Daveman | blah |
| 23:14.45 | JeffM2501 | bit more of a drive for you 2 |
| 23:14.49 | purple_cow | I'm not sure if my student membership at the ACM has expired yet |
| 23:14.54 | purple_cow | if so, it might be very expensive |
| 23:15.58 | purple_cow | micah might actually be able to get vmware to pay for the conference for him, given what he's working on now |
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| 23:16.41 | JeffM2501 | he should tell them he needs you to handle his bags |
| 23:16.50 | purple_cow | hah |
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| 23:18.09 | jude- | hehe--my CS professor is lecturing from Wikipedia as we speak |
| 23:18.28 | Daveman | about? |
| 23:18.39 | jude- | Adapter design pattern |
| 23:18.59 | Daveman | lecturing FROM wikipedia, as in, using it as an authoritative reference? |
| 23:19.05 | jude- | yes |
| 23:19.09 | Daveman | What has this country come to. |
| 23:19.09 | Winny | not good. |
| 23:19.22 | Winny | They blocked wikipedia in our school... |
| 23:19.27 | Daveman | hahaha |
| 23:19.30 | Daveman | good call |
| 23:19.33 | Winny | :\ |
| 23:19.37 | jude- | now he says he wants to change the code on the page because it's bad design |
| 23:20.09 | a_meteorite | well, some universities/schools are worried about wikipedia's accuracy |
| 23:20.22 | jude- | indeed |
| 23:20.38 | purple_cow | well, it's just inappropriate to cite a wikipedia page |
| 23:20.40 | a_meteorite | I don't worry that much, there's a ton of peer review |
| 23:20.54 | purple_cow | for the same reason why it's inappropriate to cite almost anything on the internet |
| 23:21.03 | jude- | the CS articles are pretty good, afaik |
| 23:21.03 | a_meteorite | I've seen a few mistakes.. but not many |
| 23:21.33 | purple_cow | they are |
| 23:21.39 | purple_cow | and I use them to learn about stuff |
| 23:21.47 | purple_cow | but I wouldn't cite them in an academic paper |
| 23:21.51 | jude- | wasn't there a comparison between Wikipedia and Encyclopedia Britanica recently done? |
| 23:22.15 | jude- | and they found that scientific articles from both encyclopedias had the same number of errors? |
| 23:22.26 | jude- | purple_cow: same here |
| 23:27.10 | brlcad | sweet, JBdiGriz: SCBC? |
| 23:28.11 | JBdiGriz | http://www.stonebrew.com/ |
| 23:28.28 | CBG | I use wikipedia all the time. The price is right and so far I haven't had to give any work to someone who is smart enough to spot any errors, if there are any. |
| 23:29.04 | JBdiGriz | The IRS is available now. I'm not sure there will be any left by August. |
| 23:29.36 | jude- | CBG: yeah, wikipedia is good for general reference and fast info |
| 23:29.36 | Winny | Internal Revenue Service? :p |
| 23:30.03 | JBdiGriz | Imperial Russian Stout, and you probably wouldn't be able to enjoy it. |
| 23:30.43 | CBG | I could, here in the UK. |
| 23:30.52 | JBdiGriz | It's pretty close to that motor oil you were trying before. |
| 23:31.01 | jude- | lol |
| 23:31.13 | jude- | actually, I can't enjoy it because I'm underage |
| 23:32.18 | jude- | wait. that was MOTOR oil??? I thought it was thick olive oil! |
| 23:32.53 | Winny | hehe |
| 23:33.31 | brlcad | hm, just missed him |
| 23:34.28 | JBdiGriz | brlcad: Aim higher next time |
| 23:34.56 | jude- | brlcad: getting a telescopic sight might help too |
| 23:34.57 | brlcad | purple_cow: er siggraph membership is only like 35/year .. acm pro is a bit more |
| 23:35.24 | purple_cow | brlcad: there's a significant discount on the conference if you're a student though |
| 23:35.33 | brlcad | ah, true dat |
| 23:35.46 | purple_cow | the actual membership is peanuts |
| 23:36.09 | CBG | ~seen SpazzyMcGee |
| 23:36.33 | ibot | spazzymcgee <n=SpazzyMc@client-82-3-93-16.manc.adsl.virgin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 3d 22h 58m 19s ago, saying: ' /blame cbg'. |
| 23:36.34 | purple_cow | I can't remember if I won a two-year or three-year ACM membership at that first conference |
| 23:36.41 | CBG | o.O |
| 23:37.09 | Winny | hehe |
| 23:37.58 | purple_cow | sweet |
| 23:38.07 | purple_cow | Student Membership expires 31-JUL-2007 |
| 23:38.12 | Erroneous | brlcad: he's still here if you want me to grab him for something |
| 23:38.19 | Erroneous | may have even just restarted his machine |
| 23:38.22 | JBdiGriz | Just in time to miss siggraph |
| 23:38.42 | purple_cow | JBdiGriz: I can purchase my conference attendance beforehand though ;-) |
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| 23:52.45 | Winny | blast007: ping |
| 23:55.11 | SportChick | JBdiGriz: let's meet at San O and bring boards :D |
| 23:56.31 | Daveman | o_O |
| 23:59.10 | JBdiGriz | SportChick: Not too much to do/eat around there. Escondido is just a bit inland from there, so we can go after playing in the waves. |
| 23:59.50 | SportChick | JBdiGriz: yeah, although San Clemente is about 5 minutes north of San O |
