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| 01:21.06 | spldart | 5.1 better than SRls |
| 01:21.15 | spldart | oops |
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| 01:27.00 | jude- | hello all |
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| 01:31.36 | brlcad | hey jude |
| 01:31.44 | jude- | hello brlcad |
| 01:32.19 | brlcad | hm, I dont' think i've gotten to yours yet .. |
| 01:32.27 | brlcad | that's a good thing :) |
| 01:32.31 | Jwir3 | hahaha.... heyyyyyy.... jude.... |
| 01:32.38 | Jwir3 | it's like the beatles song |
| 01:32.57 | jude- | please don't remind me ;) |
| 01:33.09 | Jwir3 | yeah I hate that song too hehe |
| 01:33.24 | Jwir3 | too many latenight commercials with paul mcartney and the one cd |
| 01:35.52 | jude- | brlcad: gotten to my what? |
| 01:36.09 | brlcad | jude-: oh, nuthin.. don't worry ;) |
| 01:36.42 | Jwir3 | your annual employee review |
| 01:37.01 | purple_cow | your doom |
| 01:37.22 | jude- | purple_cow: I'm doomed? |
| 01:37.26 | purple_cow | who isn't? |
| 01:37.35 | jude- | it depends on your definition |
| 01:40.13 | Jwir3 | I'm doomed |
| 01:40.36 | jude- | I might be doomed |
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| 01:45.29 | brlcad | thank goodness we didn't get 100 submissions |
| 01:45.39 | jude- | how many did you get? |
| 01:45.47 | brlcad | so many to review and write about |
| 01:46.12 | brlcad | 45 |
| 01:46.20 | jude- | wow |
| 01:46.41 | brlcad | some tough competition too |
| 01:46.48 | jude- | and less than two weeks to decide |
| 01:46.57 | brlcad | that actually shouldn't be a problem |
| 01:47.14 | jude- | oh? |
| 01:47.24 | brlcad | I think we already have a fairly decent idea of at least the top 15 that are in contention |
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| 01:47.35 | brlcad | and the top 5 are probably already locked |
| 01:47.46 | jude- | I see |
| 01:49.34 | JeffM2501 | mmmm raw fish :) |
| 01:50.09 | jude- | mmmm fish parasites :) |
| 01:51.59 | brlcad | mmmm |
| 01:52.35 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: what did you say earlier about someone asking me about something? |
| 01:52.50 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak figured it out |
| 01:52.55 | JeffM2501 | we had to kill a tag in svn |
| 01:53.43 | JeffM2501 | tho we should still prolly figure out how to get rid of my screwup in history too |
| 01:55.36 | JeffM2501 | public net access and raw fish resuraunts is the best :) |
| 01:55.48 | purple_cow | not really possible to eliminate history without recreating the entire repository |
| 01:55.56 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 01:56.03 | JeffM2501 | the tag was the bigger issue |
| 01:56.15 | purple_cow | it's pretty rare to actually check out an old revision anyhow |
| 01:56.18 | JeffM2501 | dtr cleaned up the issue and some other tags that are jacked |
| 01:56.25 | DTRemenak | silly windows |
| 01:56.26 | JeffM2501 | well they had the same name on windows |
| 01:56.27 | purple_cow | and even then, you usually just want a single directory to look at |
| 01:56.27 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:56.38 | JeffM2501 | it just made it geek with the SF default instructions |
| 01:56.42 | JeffM2501 | that have you get it ALL |
| 01:56.58 | JeffM2501 | and the tag was pointless |
| 01:57.44 | JeffM2501 | whoot, 364 megs of video memory now :) |
| 01:58.04 | jude- | discrete, shared, or unified? |
| 01:58.20 | JeffM2501 | 128 onboard, 256 turbo cache |
| 01:58.48 | jude- | turbo cache...isn't that ATI's way of sharing video memory with system memory? |
| 01:58.48 | JeffM2501 | bumped the lapy up to 2 gigs today, so I felt better giving it 256 for video |
| 01:59.02 | JeffM2501 | it caches it for the real card memory |
| 01:59.11 | JeffM2501 | it's not the same thing as like intels stuff |
| 01:59.13 | JeffM2501 | but yeah |
| 01:59.18 | jude- | interesting |
| 01:59.18 | JeffM2501 | it's the best I coulod get for this price |
| 01:59.21 | DTRemenak | TC is nvidia, hypermemory is ati |
| 01:59.28 | jude- | oh |
| 01:59.30 | JeffM2501 | yeah that :) |
| 01:59.38 | DTRemenak | 'course he has a laptop with an ati chip |
| 01:59.39 | JeffM2501 | it does have 128 megs of it's own real memory |
| 01:59.45 | DTRemenak | so it's not really turbocache anyway :) |
| 01:59.51 | JeffM2501 | you said it was the same |
| 01:59.56 | DTRemenak | it is |
| 02:00.03 | DTRemenak | same design |
| 02:00.06 | DTRemenak | different implementation |
| 02:00.16 | DTRemenak | functionally equivalent |
| 02:00.48 | JeffM2501 | so if you sit by the door at SanSai, you can get net from It's a Grind :) |
| 02:00.59 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 02:01.09 | jude- | ain't wifi great? |
| 02:01.14 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 02:01.33 | purple_cow | or, if you live here, you can get it anywhere from google :) |
| 02:02.09 | JeffM2501 | how fast is it? |
| 02:02.58 | purple_cow | if you're by a window, pretty good |
| 02:03.20 | purple_cow | I don't think the FCC allows a free municipal service to provide faster than about 300K |
| 02:03.32 | JeffM2501 | wonder why? |
| 02:03.35 | JeffM2501 | power? |
| 02:03.48 | purple_cow | telco lobbying |
| 02:03.48 | jude- | corruption? |
| 02:03.53 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 02:04.45 | jude- | those bastards |
| 02:06.55 | purple_cow | probably not for a while |
| 02:07.20 | jude- | I read somewhere that service in Asia and Europe is 5 to 10 times faster... |
| 02:07.30 | bryjen | not until at&t owns it all again ;) |
| 02:07.46 | purple_cow | jude-: well, it depends where |
| 02:07.59 | jude- | in major cities |
| 02:08.06 | purple_cow | the dense parts of tokyo and seoul, you can get 100mbps guaranteed with bursts up to gigabit |
| 02:08.11 | purple_cow | which is a lot more than 5-10x faster |
| 02:08.16 | jude- | quite |
| 02:08.33 | bryjen | metro ethernet? |
| 02:08.42 | purple_cow | bryjen: fiber to the home |
| 02:09.05 | purple_cow | which the US telcos promised us in the 90s, and took huge government subsidies for, and never delivered |
| 02:09.14 | jude- | right |
| 02:09.33 | jude- | as I said, those bastards |
| 02:11.52 | L4m3r | to be fair, infrastructure in the US is a lot more difficult than, say, Japan |
| 02:12.06 | purple_cow | L4m3r: that's a bogus argument |
| 02:12.18 | purple_cow | europe and rural japan have excellent service |
| 02:12.20 | JeffM2501 | they could make it work if they wanted to |
| 02:12.23 | L4m3r | our population density is miniscule compared to most developed countries |
| 02:14.15 | L4m3r | but there's still no excuse for not having better service in urban/suburban areas |
| 02:14.15 | purple_cow | I live in the heart of silicon-freaking-valley and the best I can get is a couple megabit cable? |
| 02:14.15 | BenUrban | i have excellent service |
| 02:14.15 | purple_cow | for $50/month? |
| 02:14.15 | purple_cow | give me a break |
| 02:14.15 | L4m3r | rural America is a lot bigger than rural Japan and rural Korea combined ;) |
| 02:14.15 | bryjen | purple_cow: odd, i live in bfe, ky and i get that _here_ ;) |
| 02:14.16 | purple_cow | explain europe. it's big and spread out |
| 02:14.16 | purple_cow | and has excellent service |
| 02:14.16 | L4m3r | smaller municipalities |
| 02:14.16 | purple_cow | and heck, the US telcos *said* they'd have fiber to the home by the late 90s |
| 02:14.28 | L4m3r | ... again, to be fair, not that I don't think they're laying down on the job |
| 02:14.40 | purple_cow | meanwhile, they're pulling in record profits, and have no real competition |
| 02:14.51 | JeffM2501 | they are, that truck keeps coming down my street.. and NOTHING |
| 02:15.11 | L4m3r | they've pulled some really nasty tricks business-wise too |
| 02:15.39 | blast007 | :) |
| 02:15.56 | L4m3r | like selling turf to smaller telcos so they aren't required to provide sufficient coverage to less lucrative areas |
| 02:17.41 | jude- | ah, reaganomics |
| 02:18.11 | jude- | the rich get to rob the poor and get away with it |
| 02:18.35 | L4m3r | not so much "rob" |
| 02:18.46 | L4m3r | they're cheating the government really |
| 02:19.04 | L4m3r | they have some regulation to extend coverage to all their areas by some deadline |
| 02:19.04 | jude- | where do you think the government got the money? |
| 02:19.32 | L4m3r | rather than meet the deadline in all areas, they cherry-pick the most profitable ones and sell off the others for someone else to deal with |
| 02:20.11 | jude- | I'm still being robbed as a taxpayer |
| 02:20.31 | jude- | not only that, but the fees are exhorborant |
| 02:21.30 | jude- | I wouldn't be surprised if the major ISPs in the US are secretly price-fixing |
| 02:21.54 | purple_cow | there are only a few ISPs in the US, these days |
| 02:21.58 | purple_cow | and really only two in any given area |
| 02:21.58 | L4m3r | having the government mug you and then set your wallet on fire is another issue |
| 02:22.11 | purple_cow | you have the telco (at&t, qwest, ec) and comcast |
| 02:22.32 | L4m3r | at least there's a choice :\ |
| 02:22.52 | purple_cow | such as it is |
| 02:22.54 | L4m3r | though both sides are trying to get themselves deregulated so they can get the upper hand |
| 02:23.00 | purple_cow | they're already deregulated |
| 02:23.05 | L4m3r | not completely |
| 02:23.13 | jude- | they are enough |
| 02:23.22 | jude- | (they are deregulated enough) |
| 02:23.23 | L4m3r | the net is still relatively neutral |
| 02:23.42 | purple_cow | they're preparing for the tougher competition posed by each other by...raising my rates? |
| 02:23.50 | jude- | I mean net access (fees, bandwidth, etc) |
| 02:24.07 | jude- | purple_cow: see? robbery |
| 02:25.03 | L4m3r | cable providers could do some real damage to the telcos if they were a bit smarter |
| 02:25.24 | jude- | by offerring VoIP? |
| 02:25.28 | L4m3r | but they're too focused on greed-motivated VOIP asshattery to do it right |
| 02:25.41 | L4m3r | no, by just allowing it |
| 02:26.21 | L4m3r | I've read stories about comcast screwing up viop traffic that isn't theirs (i.e. vonage and such) |
| 02:28.03 | brlcad | http://www.isp-planet.com/research/rankings/usa.html |
| 02:28.26 | jude- | the only realistic way for cable providers to beat the telcos is to offer lower rates |
| 02:29.01 | jude- | that's the only advantage telcos have |
| 02:29.01 | purple_cow | or faster service |
| 02:29.02 | jude- | they are already faster than telcos |
| 02:29.07 | L4m3r | not really |
| 02:29.34 | jude- | // ignore comments |
| 02:29.34 | jude- | if(line.indexOf("#") > 0) |
| 02:29.34 | jude- | continue; |
| 02:29.34 | jude- | |
| 02:29.38 | L4m3r | especially for upload... more greed |
| 02:29.43 | jude- | huh? |
| 02:29.59 | jude- | I have no clue where that code came from |
| 02:30.29 | jude- | I mean, download speeds are what matter to Joe User |
| 02:31.23 | blast007 | jude-: it came from your clipboard |
| 02:31.48 | purple_cow | I get pretty dismal upload speeds, and the only time my download speed is fast is 7am |
| 02:31.56 | purple_cow | since all the nerds living around me are up at night |
| 02:32.22 | blast007 | my ISP bumped up my 3mbps/256kbps to 5mbps/512kbps in the last week |
| 02:32.50 | blast007 | and I get like 4.5mbps/480kbps |
| 02:33.02 | blast007 | (small town) |
| 02:33.52 | jude- | my ISP speed varies |
| 02:33.56 | jude- | almost irregularly |
| 02:34.39 | blast007 | well, there was one day where I ran a speed test on my ISP's page, and it said "Your speed is 0.58 times the speed of dialup" ... |
| 02:34.50 | jude- | ouch |
| 02:34.55 | SportChick | hey jude- :) |
| 02:35.03 | jude- | hello SportChick |
| 02:36.56 | jude- | ignore comments |
| 02:36.56 | jude- | if(line.indexOf("#") > 0) |
| 02:36.57 | jude- | continue; |
| 02:36.57 | jude- | |
| 02:37.03 | jude- | gaah! |
| 02:37.11 | jude- | damn my clipboard |
| 02:37.13 | blast007 | :) |
| 02:37.16 | KTL | hehehe |
| 02:37.29 | blast007 | what client? |
| 02:38.04 | jude- | KIRC |
| 02:38.09 | blast007 | cuz irssi has paste detection where you can make it confirm past X number of lines, which I set to 1 so it always prompt |
| 02:38.41 | L4m3r | Konversation prompts too |
| 02:39.35 | jude- | // ignore comments |
| 02:39.35 | jude- | if(line.indexOf("#") > 0) |
| 02:39.36 | jude- | continue; |
| 02:39.36 | jude- | |
| 02:39.41 | jude- | okay, I'm switching clients |
| 02:39.42 | jude- | brb |
| 02:39.44 | blast007 | lol |
| 02:39.46 | brlcad | hehe |
| 02:41.43 | KTL | some K-children become good but many remain childish |
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| 02:42.07 | jude- | back |
| 02:42.13 | jude- | using Kopete |
| 02:42.50 | jude- | hopefully no more weird code snippits ;) |
| 02:42.53 | blast007 | ~irssi++ |
| 02:43.07 | SportChick | irssi++++++++++++++++++ |
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| 02:46.14 | JeffM2501 | of course the camera is out of battery :( |
| 02:47.20 | jude- | ...but, it is now dinner time for me |
| 02:47.28 | jude- | see you all later |
| 02:47.44 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, that cabe work? |
| 02:49.51 | JeffM2501 | cable |
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| 03:02.13 | brlcad | Epyon: ping |
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| 03:03.01 | brlcad | nash: not responding here either |
| 03:03.09 | nash | he is offline then |
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| 04:15.36 | brlcad | purple_cow: nifty |
| 04:16.31 | purple_cow | ack, brlcad reads my bloggy journal |
| 04:17.59 | brlcad | it's a relatively simple idea, but solves several practical color selection problems |
| 04:19.49 | brlcad | i could use that in a gui interface i've been working on |
| 04:20.08 | brlcad | heck, bz could use that for rendering into the console |
| 04:23.01 | purple_cow | the reason it's so awesome is that noone notices it |
| 04:23.15 | purple_cow | whereas they *do* notice if they can't read something |
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| 04:29.34 | purple_cow | brlcad: if'n you want to eliminate the GdkColor dependency and give it some API to interact with colors of different depths, patches welcome ;-) |
| 04:32.39 | brlcad | yep |
| 04:33.27 | brlcad | if I do put it to use, I'll be sure to "embrace and extend" it and send you back any changes/suggestions/patches/whatever |
| 04:33.46 | purple_cow | cool |
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| 05:25.21 | brlcad | elg: comments and questions posted |
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| 05:30.08 | Hannibal | >udict nucking futs |
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| 06:09.36 | jwir3 | night all |
| 06:09.36 | brlcad | cheers jwir3|sleep |
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| 09:33.34 | nCux | hi, i am having some problem launching game |
| 09:34.08 | nCux | X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) |
| 09:35.24 | nCux | can anyone help me? |
| 09:39.59 | Rawk | nCux: what resolution is your screen set at? |
| 09:40.27 | nCux | 1024x768 |
| 09:40.39 | nCux | i have already solved problem by running in window |
| 09:41.38 | Rawk | nCux: are you on linux windows or mac? |
| 09:42.48 | nCux | linux |
| 09:44.24 | Rawk | Voker57[away]: have a look in your config file for bzfalg in $HOME/.bzf/2.0/config.cfg |
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| 09:46.37 | Rawk | Voker57[away]: and in it find "set resolution....." and see what it's set to |
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| 09:54.32 | Noodle[mole] | hello? |
| 09:55.08 | Voker57[away] | hi |
| 09:55.16 | Voker57[away] | Rawk: ok i'll check... |
| 09:55.42 | Noodle[mole] | hey sorry i used to play this game about like 5-6 years ago |
| 09:55.57 | Noodle[mole] | its cahnged on me i downloaded it cause i missed it haha |
| 09:56.20 | Noodle[mole] | there is still the ducati ctf servers right? |
| 09:56.34 | Noodle[mole] | no jumping /flags and just plane skill? |
| 09:58.23 | BearPerson | a lot of servers have jumping as something that requires no special flag |
| 09:58.39 | BearPerson | I think there are no-jumping servers or servers with jumping flags still, though |
| 09:58.57 | Noodle[mole] | okay good |
| 09:59.12 | Noodle[mole] | i found a server just ctf no jumping richot and shit |
| 09:59.21 | Noodle[mole] | back to relearning to be good |
| 09:59.23 | Noodle[mole] | :D |
| 09:59.27 | BearPerson | :) |
| 09:59.39 | BearPerson | yeah, rico is a popular always-on too |
| 10:06.13 | Rawk | Voker57[away]: if the res in the config file doesn't match your screen res, change it to match |
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| 10:37.12 | Epyon | Mornin' all ;) |
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| 10:43.26 | dommy | anybody there? |
| 10:43.45 | dommy | i |
| 10:44.06 | dommy | hi |
| 10:44.14 | dommy | im new |
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| 13:53.15 | Manu | evaluation finished :) |
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| 14:19.21 | Manu | SportChick: you? nope ;) |
| 14:19.33 | Manu | you missed a few applications ;) |
| 14:19.47 | SportChick | Manu: no I didn't :) |
| 14:20.10 | Manu | so aren't you going to evaluate any more? |
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| 14:33.02 | SportChick | Manu: actually I'm looking back through some right now to see if there's any others I can add to at this point |
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| 14:47.19 | elg | brlcad: responded |
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| 15:50.06 | ts | purple_cow: There are also problems regarding proper internet connections in Europe. You're not alone with the problems. For example in Berlin often max available is ISDN thanks to OPAL. Cable-TV companies are only offering up to 16Mbit/s where ADSL goes up to 25Mbit/s (perhaps nowadays 50Mbit/s, not sure). FTTH is basically only available in 1 big city. |
| 15:53.03 | ts | purple_cow: I'm very near to DE-CIX but all cable-TV companies offer me is 2Mbit/s (a company that offers 10Mbit/s for same! price is not accepting contracts in my state) so I use the telephone line (meaning ADSL) with only 1Mbit/s downstream to have low pings. |
| 15:56.27 | ts | purple_cow: cost of the internet trafffic itself is at 5€ (in combination with a physical line offering between 1Mbit/s and 16Mbit/s). My pings have once been 12ms to near servers. Nowadays the routing is totally screwed up, I get everyday new routes. So now I'm near 50-70ms for less than 2 km distance |
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| 15:56.58 | ts | purple_cow: Great, huh? |
| 16:00.47 | brlcad | ts: curious, what's your ping to 89.149.202.167 |
| 16:01.20 | ts | brlcad: around 25ms right now, but it'll be different tomorrow again |
| 16:02.17 | ts | The problem is my routing goes over gblx.net and they screw it all up |
| 16:02.19 | brlcad | higher than expected actually |
| 16:02.35 | brlcad | would be interesting to do a bandwidth test at some point |
| 16:03.08 | ts | brlcad: Wait, I can do a ping using university..they are directly at DE-CIX, circumventing the beloved gblx.net |
| 16:05.15 | ts | brlcad: ok, 2ms from university, 0.49ms jitter |
| 16:06.00 | brlcad | heh, that's more like it |
| 16:06.19 | brlcad | i'd expect teens for most places |
| 16:06.27 | brlcad | in .de |
| 16:06.27 | ts | teens? |
| 16:06.39 | RatOmeter | < 20 |
| 16:08.10 | ts | brlcad: I'm at the biggest provider here..left from old monopoly, they own the lines from DSLAM to home...so if anyone uses their resellers, they will be likely to have same or higher ping.. |
| 16:08.51 | brlcad | well that "sucks to be you" maybe, but I can't do much about your choice of provider or their hardware ;) |
| 16:09.18 | ts | brlcad: It's not their hardware, it's their **** routing |
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| 16:09.59 | ts | A friend of mine has now 120ms ping at servers at DE-CIX for example..it's like he would live in America |
| 16:10.55 | ts | I'm really busy researching for new options..I can not stand that kind of connection |
| 16:12.48 | JeffM2501 | aww he didn't finish |
| 16:13.54 | JeffM2501 | SoC |
| 16:14.05 | JeffM2501 | brlcad was going thru our submissions |
| 16:14.17 | JeffM2501 | looking for possible mentor aignments |
| 16:14.57 | JeffM2501 | and doing his rankins |
| 16:15.08 | JeffM2501 | one I wanted to see get done got bumped down, but I understand why |
| 16:15.29 | JeffM2501 | maybe it'll get bumped up if one of the others dosn't accept or something. |
| 16:16.03 | brlcad | yeah, i'm not done, haven't gotten to most of the blue ones yet |
| 16:16.03 | JBdiGriz | brlcad just left for work shortly before you joined. I'm slowly going through the submissions as well, but I tend to look for projects that can be accomplished during the summer. Some are a bit too ambitious. |
| 16:16.13 | JeffM2501 | some are yes |
| 16:16.15 | brlcad | i was on my way out actually :) |
| 16:16.18 | JBdiGriz | brlcad lied |
| 16:16.18 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 16:16.29 | JeffM2501 | I'm happy with our top 10 |
| 16:16.45 | JeffM2501 | I think they are dooable if the person busts there butt |
| 16:17.06 | brlcad | depends on the individual.. some propose a lot and I think they can back it up, others.. it's a mix of course |
| 16:17.06 | JeffM2501 | if they arn't then they learn not to bite off more then they can chew, and that's part of the learning process as well |
| 16:17.12 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 16:17.16 | brlcad | and there are a couple tradeoff considerations to make |
| 16:17.25 | JeffM2501 | still I'm cool with what we got now |
| 16:17.25 | brlcad | and depends on who is mentoring whom |
| 16:17.30 | JeffM2501 | be nice to see what JBdiGriz does tho :) |
| 16:17.49 | JBdiGriz | I don't mind them biting off more than they can chew, but I want to make sure that we get a reasonable return as well. |
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| 16:17.57 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 16:17.59 | brlcad | i'm not happy with the top 10 at the moment |
| 16:18.08 | JeffM2501 | why not? |
| 16:18.25 | brlcad | but then I haven't ranked most still |
| 16:18.31 | JeffM2501 | ahh your still workin |
| 16:18.32 | JeffM2501 | fair nuf |
| 16:18.51 | brlcad | like i said.. bottom up, and it generally promotes upwards not downwards |
| 16:18.56 | brlcad | likewise |
| 16:19.04 | JeffM2501 | well we got time |
| 16:19.05 | brlcad | i just haven't been to his yet ;) |
| 16:19.13 | JeffM2501 | I do get a feeling that we actualy may get a consensus on this |
| 16:19.28 | JeffM2501 | so far I dont' see many real wars for or againts |
| 16:19.40 | JeffM2501 | that makes me happy |
| 16:20.02 | JeffM2501 | I'm very confused about the status of one of them, but I don't want to say anything on it |
| 16:20.25 | SportChick | JeffM2501: I'm guessing I know which one - I'm watching it too |
| 16:20.45 | JeffM2501 | why it won't get a mentor when one is an obviousl choice, Ican't fathom |
| 16:21.06 | brlcad | you should rank it |
| 16:21.18 | JeffM2501 | I haven't ranked it? |
| 16:22.43 | JeffM2501 | I have ranked it now and added my single concern |
| 16:26.20 | SportChick | JeffM2501: I could click that button but for the same reason you didnt I hadn't |
| 16:27.33 | SportChick | ~lart brlcad |
| 16:27.33 | ibot | beats brlcad over the head with a microkernel |
| 16:27.47 | brlcad | and why haven't i left yet |
| 16:27.53 | brlcad | oh yeah.. placing an order |
| 16:27.56 | SportChick | brlcad: I didn't base my EVALUATION on someone else :) |
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| 16:28.02 | SportChick | I just didn't click a button :p |
| 16:29.17 | JeffM2501 | the person that clicks that SHOULD be willing to do it |
| 16:29.28 | JeffM2501 | and I'm not willing to do it for that project, I would not be fair to it |
| 16:29.51 | JeffM2501 | it would seem like I was steping in and taking over |
| 16:29.57 | JeffM2501 | and I do not wish to do that |
| 16:30.56 | JeffM2501 | then you get to mentor it ;) |
| 16:31.31 | JBdiGriz | Being a mentor is as much about project management as technical skills. |
| 16:31.35 | JeffM2501 | I'm not willing to get that deep into that code design, and I think that one will have/need more personal mentoriship then most others. |
| 16:31.41 | JeffM2501 | that it is |
| 16:31.46 | brlcad | mmm.. sashimi, rainbow roll, squid salad .. yum |
| 16:31.53 | JeffM2501 | that one is special tho since it has another working on it allready |
| 16:31.57 | SportChick | brlcad: you owe me sushi :p |
| 16:32.02 | JeffM2501 | who should simply click the mentor buton ;) |
| 16:32.08 | brlcad | SportChick: don't I always? |
| 16:32.18 | SportChick | brlcad: so true :p |
| 16:32.23 | JBdiGriz | I believe brlcad is planning on paying some of that obligation this summer |
| 16:32.35 | JeffM2501 | we'll see where the chips end up tho, I'm just happy we got so many applications and what seems to be enough good ones :) |
| 16:32.36 | brlcad | gladly |
| 16:32.57 | brlcad | yeah, we could get just a single slot and the whole argument would be moot ;) |
| 16:33.01 | JBdiGriz | Perhaps we should have a mentor gathering during this summer as well? |
| 16:33.10 | brlcad | only 1 is guaranteed |
| 16:33.10 | SportChick | \o/ |
| 16:33.41 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 16:33.53 | JeffM2501 | my guess is 5 |
| 16:37.53 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r13953 10/trunk/bzflag/TODO: local groups by BZID |
| 16:38.11 | JeffM2501 | still amazes me how fast that is |
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| 16:41.50 | TimRiker | brlcad: who assigns mentors for GSoC? That needs to be done for all the other proposals, no? at least those above the likely bar? |
| 16:42.01 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, he is doing that |
| 16:42.06 | TimRiker | k |
| 16:42.19 | JeffM2501 | he did the top one to let the user know we wanted him cus he is also being courted by another project |
| 16:51.30 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: thanks (re new groups) |
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| 16:52.39 | Epyon2 | I hate my power switch :| |
| 16:53.51 | JeffM2501 | no prob |
| 16:54.17 | JeffM2501 | they are what made me think of the group files by BZID :) |
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| 17:26.51 | daniel_jackson | hey any of you guy's seen tangent |
| 17:26.52 | daniel_jackson | n? |
| 17:27.30 | blast007 | yeah |
| 17:34.55 | daniel_jackson | well I'm off to hunt the elusive TangenT |
| 17:35.30 | JeffM2501 | send him a pm on the boards |
| 17:36.10 | blast007 | oh man, forgot about the forum....gonna have like 200 posts to read |
| 17:36.18 | daniel_jackson | that what I'm going to to do now |
| 17:37.02 | daniel_jackson | we're just having major admin permission problems |
| 17:37.22 | daniel_jackson | but me go Pm him! |
| 17:37.44 | daniel_jackson | thank you blast and thank you jeff |
| 17:38.01 | daniel_jackson | cy guys |
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| 17:42.53 | TheRedBaron | is there a difference between TangenT and eTangenT? |
| 17:43.43 | donny_baker | i didn't think so |
| 17:44.09 | TheRedBaron | eTangenT: who are you and what have you done with TangenT? |
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| 18:17.26 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: Is there easy access to the wiki from the forum? If not could you maybe add a tab for that (similar to Chat Room) if that makes sense |
| 18:17.46 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 18:18.02 | Thumper_ | thx |
| 18:18.56 | JeffM2501 | don't have photpshop anymore here |
| 18:18.56 | JeffM2501 | so It'll have to wait |
| 18:18.56 | Thumper_ | np - just want to get it on the todo list for whoever does that :) |
| 18:19.03 | JeffM2501 | that woudl be nobody |
| 18:19.13 | Thumper_ | no... Somebody(tm) |
| 18:19.23 | JeffM2501 | I mean there is no list |
| 18:19.39 | Thumper_ | I wish my todo list was like that too |
| 18:19.44 | Thumper_ | then when I forget somethign it'd be okay ;) |
| 18:23.03 | Erroneous | heh |
| 18:46.38 | Erroneous | JeffM2501: yes, the cable worked fine (re your comment 16 hours ago) |
| 18:50.53 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 18:52.57 | Erroneous | now I just need to put vector on that box and I'll be all set |
| 18:53.05 | Erroneous | and a wireless card |
| 18:55.32 | JeffM2501 | Jer may have some wireless PCI cards |
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| 19:03.47 | JeffM2501 | well LoTROL is at least prudy lookin |
| 19:05.24 | Bz_Win | LordOfTheRingsOnLine? |
| 19:05.38 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 19:46.38 | Bz_Win | Jeff: this part of the wiki is kind of innacurate: "fire multiple shots (i.e. firing spreads of shots at once)." (in regards to cheating) |
| 19:46.55 | Bz_Win | Can be done easily by mapping the mouse wheel to fire |
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| 19:48.31 | brlcad | Bz_Win: .. it's a wiki -- fix it |
| 19:48.55 | Bz_Win | brlcad: I was making sure that it doesn't mean something other then what I am thinking |
| 19:48.58 | tupone_laptop | brlcad, still some reference to CVS inside |
| 19:49.07 | Bz_Win | it may mean as in "fire more shots then allowed" |
| 19:49.14 | tupone_laptop | like devinfo at gsoc page |
| 19:49.18 | brlcad | tupone_laptop: yeah, a couple I didn't want to rewrite or remove just yet, and maybe a few others i missed |
| 19:49.30 | donny_baker | Bz_Win: make it clearer then :) |
| 19:49.30 | brlcad | tupone_laptop: ahh, yes |
| 19:50.10 | brlcad | Bz_Win: if it's not clear to you, then it might not be clear to others and you should try to make it more clear -- regardless of what was meant |
| 19:50.46 | Bz_Win | fixed |
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| 20:36.21 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r13954 10/branches/v2_0_cs_branch/bzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Adding meshes. Still need to tweak materials |
| 20:36.45 | tupone_laptop | http://my.bzflag.org/w/CrystalSpace_client |
| 20:38.16 | donny_baker | i kinda like the black :) |
| 20:40.02 | tupone_laptop | :) |
| 20:41.21 | Rounin | Hi, I was just wondering if bzflag uses SDL for audio? |
| 20:41.31 | tupone_laptop | on linux yes |
| 20:41.40 | Rounin | Ah, I see... thanks |
| 20:51.36 | Erroneous | on everything but windows, if you have built with sdl support |
| 20:54.34 | JeffM2501 | nice shadows tupone_laptop |
| 20:54.44 | JeffM2501 | arn't real shadows fun? :) |
| 20:54.54 | ts | 6FPS :)) |
| 20:55.10 | JeffM2501 | this is why lightmaps are good :) |
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| 21:02.58 | jwir3|home | JeffM2501: Yeah, that was one of the things I thought would be good to integrate when utilizing the CS engine |
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| 21:05.26 | tupone_laptop | jwir3|home, I'm very afraid I cannot follow your work if you get to have a gsoc on BZ. I should leave in a couple of weeks, going abroad. So maybe no internet. I hope someone here can be your mentor in this adventure. Wish you the best |
| 21:05.44 | JeffM2501 | jwir3|home, may not be viable, as we have to deal with the sin moving :( |
| 21:05.51 | JeffM2501 | but that should be looked into |
| 21:05.58 | jwir3|home | ahhhh |
| 21:06.09 | jwir3|home | I didn't realize the sun moved |
| 21:06.13 | JeffM2501 | but it may be ok to remove the moving sun requirement for speed |
| 21:06.20 | jwir3|home | tupone_laptop: sorry to hear that - where are you going? |
| 21:06.38 | tupone_laptop | for work, NL, then maybe France |
| 21:07.04 | jwir3|home | tupone_laptop: where are you from? |
| 21:07.13 | tupone_laptop | Roma |
| 21:07.24 | jwir3|home | ah cool |
| 21:09.21 | tupone_laptop | All my work is public, on SVN, not hiding anything. Hope to go a little further, but doing next things is not easy. At least world is almost complete. Need to think on how speed up things :/ |
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| 21:18.00 | JeffM2501 | tupone_laptop, your brach is still left handed right? |
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| 21:19.22 | tupone_laptop | yep |
| 21:21.04 | JeffM2501 | there is no way to make CS be right? |
| 21:21.42 | tupone_laptop | dunno, and really don't care |
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| 21:30.48 | Dragon | hello |
| 21:30.55 | Bz_Win | ~lart Dragon |
| 21:30.55 | ibot | pulls out his louisville slugger and uses Dragon's head to break the homerun record |
| 21:31.08 | Dragon | :D |
| 21:31.30 | Dragon | how are you guys |
| 21:34.07 | GrandHustla | hey everyone |
| 21:34.08 | CBG | fandabbydozy |
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| 21:41.55 | Dragon | hi |
| 21:42.10 | blast007 | hi |
| 21:42.19 | Dragon | how are you |
| 21:42.34 | blast007 | good |
| 21:42.55 | Dragon | how do you use this chat room and stuff |
| 21:43.32 | blast007 | you just talk :) |
| 21:43.50 | Dragon | well i meanhow to talk to different peeps :D |
| 21:43.57 | blast007 | this channel commonly has development and support conversions, though it is also sometimes used for just general discussions |
| 21:44.11 | blast007 | you can /msg someone |
| 21:44.11 | Dragon | oh |
| 21:44.22 | Dragon | oh cool |
| 21:44.30 | Bz_Win | don;t be a moron, they don't like that |
| 21:44.38 | Dragon | so you type into the say bar |
| 21:44.45 | blast007 | Bz_Win: yeah, which is why we don't like you ;) |
| 21:44.53 | blast007 | there is also several other channels that the web interface can join |
| 21:44.57 | Bz_Win | blast007: smeh |
| 21:44.57 | brlcad | heh |
| 21:45.05 | Dragon | ya i know that |
| 21:45.11 | blast007 | but if you plan to be on more often, I would recommend installing a true IRC client |
| 21:45.15 | Dragon | like other leagues and crap like that |
| 21:45.21 | Bz_Win | x-chat 2 is good |
| 21:45.32 | blast007 | the CGI:IRC is for short conversations, and it doesn't do any logging |
| 21:45.40 | Dragon | cool |
| 21:45.44 | blast007 | logging is nice so you can review stuff that was said from past discussions |
| 21:45.47 | Dragon | how do i get it |
| 21:46.05 | Dragon | thats kinda what i like about it |
| 21:46.47 | Dragon | why does it always lose connection |
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| 21:47.15 | Dragon | wel i gtg bye |
| 21:47.31 | Dessy | hi any developer on? |
| 21:47.43 | Dragon | nope sry |
| 21:48.39 | JBdiGriz | ~ask |
| 21:48.41 | ibot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there, just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily. |
| 21:49.49 | blast007 | Dessy: basically, do you have a specific questions you are wanting answered? |
| 21:49.53 | blast007 | question* |
| 21:50.26 | Dessy | hae |
| 21:50.29 | Dessy | slow :P |
| 21:51.04 | JeffM2501 | in general someone with commit access is always "on" but often those who do not have commit access can answer many questions. |
| 21:51.11 | Dessy | i have compiled bz on my computer |
| 21:51.18 | JeffM2501 | congratulations. |
| 21:51.19 | Dessy | (windows) |
| 21:51.42 | Dessy | but if i will start it on a orther computer he cant start it |
| 21:51.43 | Dessy | why? |
| 21:52.06 | JeffM2501 | you used visual studio n.et 2005 Express edition didn't you? |
| 21:52.20 | Dessy | yep |
| 21:52.24 | Dessy | i use it |
| 21:52.24 | JeffM2501 | that is why |
| 21:52.28 | Dessy | ah |
| 21:52.29 | JeffM2501 | they don't have it |
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| 21:52.34 | Bz_Win | hi tanner! |
| 21:52.39 | Bz_Win | ~lart tannerld |
| 21:52.39 | ibot | drops a humongous exploding nuke on tannerld |
| 21:52.41 | blast007 | probably build in debug mode |
| 21:52.46 | JeffM2501 | not even that |
| 21:52.47 | tannerld | hmmm |
| 21:52.48 | Dessy | ah i need the Studio edition? |
| 21:52.53 | blast007 | JeffM2501: really? |
| 21:52.55 | JeffM2501 | the EE runtimes are not the same as the full ones |
| 21:52.55 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:52.58 | blast007 | eww |
| 21:52.59 | Dessy | ok |
| 21:53.03 | JeffM2501 | EE isn't made to do releases |
| 21:53.06 | JeffM2501 | it's for personal use |
| 21:53.18 | JeffM2501 | as far as I can tell |
| 21:53.24 | JeffM2501 | I haven't finished the research yet tho |
| 21:53.30 | Dessy | that will work too with the directX sdk platform sdk etc... |
| 21:53.36 | blast007 | I haven't tried it yet myself, since I have the full VS |
| 21:53.49 | JeffM2501 | Dessy, you need both of those to build |
| 21:53.54 | brlcad | odd, wonder what library linkage problems are actually occurring |
| 21:53.57 | Dessy | ya |
| 21:55.25 | blast007 | wonder if it maybe just needs the .Net Framework 2.0 |
| 21:55.49 | JeffM2501 | they split the DLLs a little difrent then regular one |
| 21:55.56 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure I could find WHAT other Dlls they need |
| 21:55.59 | JeffM2501 | but I haven't done that work yet |
| 21:56.13 | JeffM2501 | but IIRC distribution is against the license of EE |
| 21:56.27 | JeffM2501 | it's not the same as GCC |
| 21:56.50 | JeffM2501 | realy should install it on the server at home one day and take a look |
| 21:57.05 | JeffM2501 | the first big thing is that XP dosn't have the VC8 runtimes |
| 21:57.16 | JeffM2501 | so you ahve to include those like we do with the VC71 ones |
| 21:57.27 | JeffM2501 | but then there is some other entry points that are missing. |
| 21:57.32 | JeffM2501 | once you do that |
| 21:57.51 | JeffM2501 | wonder if you could link it static and be ok |
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| 22:05.21 | TimRiker | brlcad: are you going to assign mentors to everyone? We can still change them later, no? |
| 22:05.46 | TimRiker | Seems we should get assignments made early so other projects need to talk to us instead of the other way around. |
| 22:05.59 | Dessy | visual studio 7.1 or 2005? |
| 22:06.04 | Dessy | what is better to compile it? |
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| 22:09.05 | Dessy | oh |
| 22:09.23 | Dessy | why there dont stay (D)essy |
| 22:09.25 | Dessy | :P |
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| 22:10.18 | JeffM2501 | voice dosn't mean much unless we have to go moderated |
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| 22:12.01 | brlcad | i've talked with three orgs now where we've have overlaps and everyone has been more than willing to work out which group they're more suited for |
| 22:12.18 | brlcad | it's helped establish a couple ties too |
| 22:12.32 | brlcad | had a good long talk with one of the CS core devs |
| 22:12.48 | purple_cow | brlcad: you are a machine |
| 22:13.21 | brlcad | that's what she said |
| 22:13.21 | purple_cow | haw |
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| 22:16.00 | Dessy | gn8 all! |
| 22:16.02 | brlcad | either way, I think we'll probably be stable later tonight if everyone else is done too |
| 22:16.20 | brlcad | i'll should be done myself here in an hour or two |
| 22:19.11 | Constitution | If I got a comment on my application asking for clarification, shall I just clarify in my response comment, or update the abstract and/or description as well? |
| 22:19.29 | brlcad | probably in a comment |
| 22:19.38 | brlcad | don't think you can update the abstract any longer? |
| 22:19.50 | Constitution | hmmm, it says I can |
| 22:20.04 | Constitution | "Submit any changes to the Abstract of this existing application (can be done more than once)." |
| 22:20.23 | TimRiker | try it and see. :) |
| 22:20.40 | TimRiker | brlcad: can mentors be changed after being assigned? |
| 22:21.09 | TimRiker | if so, just assign them all, and let folks debate afterwards. |
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| 22:24.34 | brlcad | TimRiker: they can be changed, but the student gets notified that they are chosen |
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| 22:26.51 | brlcad | TimRiker: are you done evaluating/commenting? |
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| 22:31.12 | TimRiker | I'll likely do more, but don't wait for me. |
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| 23:04.32 | JeffM2501 | blast007, http://www.opencombat.net/files/images/mini/ |
| 23:06.00 | Bz_Win | Is that thing that is 1/2 as big as the mac the power adatper? |
| 23:06.09 | a_meteorite | yay for big power bricks |
| 23:07.12 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 23:07.26 | JeffM2501 | that's how they make the mini smaller then a shuttle |
| 23:07.59 | Bz_Win | I'd rather have something a bit bigger and not have to carry around a huge brick, IMHO |
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| 23:08.27 | JeffM2501 | carry? |
| 23:08.30 | JeffM2501 | it's not a laptop |
| 23:08.45 | Bz_Win | everyone I know brings thier mini with them |
| 23:08.48 | a_meteorite | I'd say LAN Party if it's graphics card wasn't so underpowered. |
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