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| 00:04.43 | brlcad | quantumdot: y puedes/debes ser informal |
| 00:05.28 | quantumdot | brlcad: si no te preocupes, ya he notado el estilo "directo" |
| 00:05.36 | tupone_laptop | JeffM2501, if you want to build CS branch, I think I've done all for tanks for a while, I fixed direction now. I think I will try to build up the world, at least the simplest. But not tonight. Need little rest. cu all |
| 00:07.01 | JeffM2501 | I would, but I just can't stand that API...... :( |
| 00:10.38 | quantumdot | brlcad: http://pastebin.ca/398152 |
| 00:11.20 | brlcad | ~quantumdot++ |
| 00:11.23 | brlcad | thanks! |
| 00:11.36 | quantumdot | you are welcome |
| 00:11.58 | quantumdot | it was not easy to find the right words in correct spanish |
| 00:12.08 | brlcad | si esperes un momento, lo puedes verificar |
| 00:12.18 | brlcad | si no, pues gracias! |
| 00:12.25 | brlcad | helps a lot |
| 00:12.30 | tankzilla | does anybody use colloquy here? |
| 00:13.51 | quantumdot | my main problem is that i think in English when I read/speak/write in English, so translation to well-formed Spanish-English and back is never so easy |
| 00:14.43 | brlcad | yeah, similar troubles.. when I think in spanish, it can be damn hard to figure out how to say it in english too |
| 00:15.04 | quantumdot | brlcad: what is that I could verify? |
| 00:15.22 | quantumdot | are you making the pic? |
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| 00:16.14 | brlcad | to verify I don't typo on copy, putting in the text now, about two minutes |
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| 00:17.07 | quantumdot | sure, ping me when ready |
| 00:19.18 | CBG | In respect to the GSoC, "higher education" means what? |
| 00:20.09 | quantumdot | higher education usually refers to anything above high-school |
| 00:20.31 | quantumdot | CBG: but i dont know what context are you having troubles with |
| 00:21.04 | quantumdot | it would be in general Technical College, or University degrees |
| 00:21.15 | CBG | I'm in college atm, in the UK after "High School", from ages 16-18, you can go to College. University starts at 18... |
| 00:21.35 | CBG | But some high schools include colleges... :/ |
| 00:21.41 | quantumdot | i know |
| 00:21.44 | CBG | So, it's a grey area, I guess. |
| 00:22.01 | quantumdot | it varies from place to place |
| 00:22.39 | CBG | doesn't matter, I guess, I'm not smart enough to contribute real code atm |
| 00:23.15 | quantumdot | in Spain higher education would be a University or Polytechnic degree (some of those are just 3 years) |
| 00:23.51 | quantumdot | CBG: it looks more like a problem of experience than being smart or not |
| 00:24.09 | CBG | quantumdot: i lack experience also |
| 00:24.15 | CBG | and knowledge |
| 00:24.19 | brlcad | done, uploaded |
| 00:24.22 | quantumdot | you can be the smartest guy in the world but if you dont know c++ you are not fit for the job i guess |
| 00:24.26 | brlcad | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code#Promotion_Flyers |
| 00:25.30 | quantumdot | brlcad: that is English |
| 00:25.44 | quantumdot | nvm |
| 00:25.44 | brlcad | huh? |
| 00:25.47 | quantumdot | i am stupid |
| 00:26.05 | quantumdot | missed the link downstairs |
| 00:26.11 | brlcad | ahh |
| 00:26.12 | quantumdot | looks nice :) |
| 00:29.30 | quantumdot | CBG: also it looks like having a good idea for a project to develop might have an impact on the application too |
| 00:30.57 | quantumdot | bare in mind this looks like addressed to young people |
| 00:30.58 | quantumdot | well at the start of their carriers |
| 00:30.59 | quantumdot | not experienced devs |
| 00:31.02 | quantumdot | if i was you i'd apply |
| 00:31.02 | quantumdot | ;) |
| 00:31.13 | CBG | young people over 18 ? |
| 00:31.30 | CBG | quantumdot: I know almost no C/C++ at all :( |
| 00:31.37 | quantumdot | oh |
| 00:31.53 | CBG | hoping to start learning after my exams - ie, during the time of GSoc |
| 00:32.04 | CBG | probably best to learn before I take on a serious project |
| 00:32.09 | quantumdot | sure |
| 00:32.35 | quantumdot | are you under 18? |
| 00:32.57 | CBG | nope, 18 now |
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| 00:54.44 | tankzilla | la da da de dum |
| 00:59.41 | Bz_Win | ouch |
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| 01:07.29 | Bz_Win | any GU admins not asleep in the channel? |
| 01:07.56 | LongDon | ~karma menotume |
| 01:07.56 | ibot | menotume has karma of 255 |
| 01:07.59 | LongDon | wow |
| 01:08.13 | tankzilla | ~karma tankzilla |
| 01:08.13 | ibot | tankzilla has neutral karma |
| 01:08.16 | tankzilla | :) |
| 01:08.22 | tankzilla | i dunno what that means :P |
| 01:08.25 | LongDon | Bz_Win: i am awake |
| 01:08.32 | LongDon | Just a trust value |
| 01:08.38 | Bz_Win | ~karma BZ_Win |
| 01:08.38 | ibot | bz_win has neutral karma |
| 01:08.41 | Bz_Win | aww |
| 01:08.44 | tankzilla | win |
| 01:08.46 | tankzilla | longdon |
| 01:08.47 | tankzilla | and satu |
| 01:08.50 | tankzilla | are talking to you :P |
| 01:08.56 | DTRemenak | ~karma |
| 01:08.56 | ibot | dtremenak has karma of 229 |
| 01:09.00 | tankzilla | ah you see :P |
| 01:09.05 | Bz_Win | I found Satu, LD :) |
| 01:09.05 | DTRemenak | hm, menotume is ahead of me... :) |
| 01:09.06 | Saturos | ~karma Saturos |
| 01:09.06 | ibot | saturos has karma of 125 |
| 01:09.19 | LongDon | ~karma LongDon |
| 01:09.20 | ibot | longdon has karma of 6 |
| 01:09.22 | tankzilla | how do you raise your karma? |
| 01:09.24 | LongDon | :) |
| 01:09.30 | LongDon | u cant |
| 01:09.33 | Saturos | ~tankzilla++ |
| 01:09.34 | DTRemenak | tankzilla: you don't. other people do. |
| 01:09.41 | tankzilla | neat |
| 01:10.21 | Bz_Win | ~tankzila++ |
| 01:10.23 | LongDon | DTRemenak: ty for the info. Found the patch |
| 01:10.37 | DTRemenak | np. was hoping you hadn't already started modding it by hand... ;) |
| 01:10.38 | tankzilla | you spelt it worng :P |
| 01:10.40 | tankzilla | wrong* |
| 01:10.43 | Bz_Win | whopps |
| 01:10.51 | Bz_Win | ~tankzilla++ |
| 01:10.58 | LongDon | I started but then found out that it'll take me hours ;) |
| 01:11.14 | LongDon | ~karma tankzilla |
| 01:11.14 | ibot | tankzilla has karma of 2 |
| 01:11.25 | Bz_Win | someone give me some karma :( |
| 01:11.31 | tankzilla | lol |
| 01:11.33 | LongDon | ibot should keep track of those karmas-... |
| 01:11.58 | LongDon | People without karma can spend karma? |
| 01:12.01 | LongDon | Not good ;) |
| 01:12.03 | tankzilla | lol |
| 01:12.17 | DTRemenak | yup, ibot's karma system is very, very simple |
| 01:12.30 | brlcad | heh, "system" |
| 01:12.46 | LongDon | DTRemenak: But an upgrade to v3 is recommended i think |
| 01:13.06 | tankzilla | ~lart Bz_win |
| 01:13.14 | LongDon | With v3 ldap isnt hackish.. |
| 01:13.39 | CBG | ~Saturos++ |
| 01:13.52 | Bz_Win | ~CBG-- |
| 01:13.53 | DTRemenak | LongDon: patches welcome for ibot, http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ |
| 01:13.59 | LongDon | :) |
| 01:14.02 | tankzilla | ~CBG++ |
| 01:14.04 | tankzilla | :D |
| 01:14.16 | CBG | ... |
| 01:14.18 | Bz_Win | :( |
| 01:14.23 | Bz_Win | ~karma CBG |
| 01:14.23 | ibot | cbg has karma of -453 |
| 01:14.25 | Bz_Win | hehe |
| 01:14.26 | CBG | do it for a reason guys |
| 01:14.31 | Bz_Win | I do |
| 01:14.38 | LongDon | ~karma Bz_Win |
| 01:14.38 | ibot | bz_win has karma of 1 |
| 01:14.42 | DTRemenak | and non-hackish is usually better....question is, how difficult is it to migrate, without losing users, groups, or messages? |
| 01:14.43 | Bz_Win | I like you one mintue, and the next, I hate you |
| 01:14.46 | LongDon | ~Bz_Win-- |
| 01:14.52 | tankzilla | lol |
| 01:14.53 | LongDon | for removing karma from CBG |
| 01:15.11 | DTRemenak | Bz_Win: it's not about liking or hating people, it's about appreciating or objecting to actions |
| 01:15.16 | CBG | LongDon: see my karma? I was aiming for the lowest karma ever a short while ago |
| 01:15.23 | LongDon | dont know. To test that i need a dump of the current database |
| 01:16.10 | LongDon | but menotume said that the bzflag people will cut his head off if he gives that to me :-D |
| 01:17.12 | DTRemenak | mmm, head-cutting-off parties are fun |
| 01:17.20 | LongDon | :) |
| 01:17.27 | Bz_Win | This channel is twisted |
| 01:17.37 | DTRemenak | Bz_Win: so are you |
| 01:17.47 | LongDon | You devs decide if i may get it for testing purpose. |
| 01:17.47 | DTRemenak | so you fit right in ;) |
| 01:18.35 | DTRemenak | or you could try migrating a smaller database and see if you run into any problems |
| 01:19.01 | DTRemenak | install phpbb2, create a half-dozen users and a couple groups, a few posts, and migrate it |
| 01:19.16 | LongDon | brlcad can let me know his decision |
| 01:19.36 | DTRemenak | if you have problems with a small db, you will certainly have problems with a big one :) |
| 01:19.41 | LongDon | If i dont had a 6-week-old baby i would do that |
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| 01:20.34 | LongDon | Think the other way. If i dont have problems with a small db, will i dont have problems with a big? |
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| 01:20.45 | DTRemenak | probably not |
| 01:20.54 | LongDon | probably :-D |
| 01:21.08 | devilgirl | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:21.16 | devilgirl | nobody on will |
| 01:21.17 | LongDon | will go to bed now. cu tomorrow |
| 01:21.18 | DTRemenak | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:21.26 | devilgirl | not working |
| 01:21.28 | DTRemenak | ok, c'ya tomorrow LongDon |
| 01:21.34 | devilgirl | bibi |
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| 01:21.52 | devilgirl | i dont no wats wrong |
| 01:22.05 | devilgirl | its just not working |
| 01:22.34 | devilgirl | nvm, ill try the advice i got |
| 01:22.38 | devilgirl | bibi all |
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| 01:35.16 | a_temp_dist | ~cvs |
| 01:35.19 | ibot | from memory, cvs is concurrent versions systems. more info here http://www.cvshome.org/. |
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| 01:38.02 | JeffM2501 | yay, 98.425% done with birthday shopping :) |
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| 01:38.57 | CBG | JeffM2501: can we get a more accurate figure, to 10 sf, say? |
| 01:39.13 | JeffM2501 | that is accurate |
| 01:39.22 | JeffM2501 | 98.425000000000000 |
| 01:39.26 | a_temp_dist | lol |
| 01:39.29 | CBG | I was being sarcastic :P |
| 01:39.46 | JeffM2501 | there are fixed number of items on the list ;) |
| 01:40.12 | CBG | and seems to be a LOT of 'em |
| 01:40.23 | JeffM2501 | many small things |
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| 01:50.11 | a_meteorite | ~karma a_meteorite |
| 01:50.11 | ibot | a_meteorite has karma of 33 |
| 01:50.19 | a_meteorite | I'm wiiiining! |
| 01:50.24 | a_meteorite | (not really) |
| 01:52.03 | TD-Linux | ~karma TD-Linux |
| 01:52.03 | ibot | td-linux has karma of 2 |
| 01:52.08 | JeffM2501 | ~karma JeffM2501 |
| 01:52.08 | ibot | jeffm2501 has karma of 363 |
| 01:52.10 | TD-Linux | I'm in the positives! wow |
| 01:52.17 | TD-Linux | ~karma DTRemenak |
| 01:52.17 | ibot | dtremenak has karma of 229 |
| 01:52.33 | a_meteorite | maybe if I did more stuff |
| 01:54.05 | shorty114 | ~karma shorty114 |
| 01:54.06 | ibot | shorty114 has karma of -443 |
| 01:54.11 | a_meteorite | :o |
| 01:54.27 | a_meteorite | ~karma CBG |
| 01:54.27 | ibot | cbg has karma of -453 |
| 01:54.36 | shorty114 | damn |
| 01:54.39 | a_meteorite | CBG beats you (but he likes negative karma...) |
| 01:54.39 | shorty114 | ~shorty114-- |
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| 02:22.55 | jinx | heh |
| 02:27.27 | JeffM2501 | blast007 / DTRemenak around? |
| 02:27.33 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 02:27.42 | JeffM2501 | your not listening to vent :) |
| 02:28.10 | DTRemenak | nope, muted it |
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| 02:42.32 | JeffM2501 | all the wiki links on the main page now point to the new wiki |
| 02:42.43 | SportChick | hi |
| 02:42.49 | JeffM2501 | hi |
| 02:42.54 | JeffM2501 | and I made the new wiki announcement |
| 02:43.34 | SportChick | JeffM2501: excellent - so I don't need to do anything :) |
| 02:43.40 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 02:44.12 | spldart | Hey now! Get your butt to work! hehehe |
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| 03:30.43 | that | delusional, are you there? |
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| 03:33.13 | Grace | Hey All |
| 03:52.29 | spldart | :~( |
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| 05:27.09 | L4m3r | someone took a ribbon from the SoC poster on my door ;) |
| 05:30.27 | DTRemenak | woot! |
| 05:30.51 | brlcad | woo hoo |
| 05:31.03 | brlcad | L4m3r: you should post around campus ;) |
| 05:31.21 | L4m3r | I'm considering it |
| 05:31.28 | brlcad | CS lab, CS office, dorms, library, etc |
| 05:31.31 | DTRemenak | knowing college students, there's about a 1/20 chance the person who took it will get an app in on time... :) |
| 05:31.51 | brlcad | yeah, that's why it really needs 20x the exposure ;) |
| 05:31.55 | L4m3r | ha, especially considering that finals begin tomorrow |
| 05:31.58 | DTRemenak | exactly :) |
| 05:31.59 | a_meteorite | :o |
| 05:32.19 | brlcad | If I could have made March 24th blink on the paper, I might have |
| 05:32.33 | L4m3r | yeah, come to think of it, posting on campus would be futile- no one will be there for the next two weeks |
| 05:32.38 | DTRemenak | did you put March 24 on the tear-off tabs? |
| 05:32.46 | L4m3r | doh |
| 05:32.47 | brlcad | heh, no room |
| 05:33.04 | DTRemenak | gah, nobody's gonna get them in on time then :) |
| 05:33.21 | DTRemenak | hm, I can procrastinate until....oh, it doesn't say... |
| 05:35.47 | L4m3r | still pondering the application myself |
| 05:36.35 | brlcad | hmm.. the news announcement should probably mention the deadline too.. or maybe in a day or two |
| 05:37.15 | L4m3r | after the 24th make it say "FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, GET YOUR APPLICATION IN NOW!" |
| 05:39.30 | a_meteorite | L4m3r: the last day IS the 24th ;) |
| 05:39.49 | L4m3r | er, s/24/22 |
| 05:39.56 | DTRemenak | heh, thereby demonstrating why college students never have anything in on time :P |
| 05:40.09 | L4m3r | >_< |
| 05:40.15 | DTRemenak | "oh, it's due the 24th? I'll start thinking about doing it the 24th!" |
| 05:40.39 | a_meteorite | hehe |
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| 06:01.26 | mithro | hi! do you have the source for the bzflag SoC flyer? |
| 06:01.40 | brlcad | mithro: sure |
| 06:02.03 | mithro | brlcad: it's just really good, I would love to modify it for our mentor org, Thousand Parsec |
| 06:02.20 | brlcad | aha.. "the other game" :) |
| 06:02.34 | DTRemenak | apparently someone was more impressed than JeffM2501 ;) |
| 06:02.37 | brlcad | someone suggested an ai collaboration |
| 06:06.16 | DTRemenak | hmm, I haven't ever heard of Thosand Parsec...thanks for dropping by, it looks very interesting |
| 06:07.43 | DTRemenak | brlcad: those are very nice, clean-looking :) |
| 06:08.37 | brlcad | mithro: does TP have any relation to RFTS? |
| 06:10.18 | brlcad | aha, so it does! .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thousand_Parsec |
| 06:11.00 | brlcad | my goodness how many months of my life did i give to that game.. |
| 06:14.24 | brlcad | huh, well i'll be.. didn't know that -- RFTS was apparently the first |
| 06:14.28 | brlcad | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4X |
| 06:14.48 | brlcad | I think I even still have old 5.25 floppies for it somewhere |
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| 06:16.38 | mithro | BenUrban: there is an "idea" you would love |
| 06:17.16 | mithro | Implement "Reach for the Stars" Clone |
| 06:20.09 | jude | Regarding the BZFlag GSoC idea to create a graphical BZW editor, would the developers prefer the editor to be built into the client, or a stand-alone application? |
| 06:20.33 | mithro | s/BenUrban/brlcad/ |
| 06:20.44 | DTRemenak | jude: standalone is more practical at the moment |
| 06:21.06 | jude | Thank you |
| 06:21.19 | DTRemenak | but, if you have a clever idea for an integrated editor...by all means, suggest it :) |
| 06:21.56 | jude | I read in the Ideas page on the wiki that the idea's originator had desired that the editor be built-in... |
| 06:22.12 | jude | ...or use BZFlag's engine... |
| 06:22.17 | L4m3r | iirc he just wanted it to use the same engine |
| 06:22.26 | L4m3r | it can easily be standalone and still share code |
| 06:22.32 | jude | true |
| 06:22.40 | DTRemenak | and that would not be required either |
| 06:22.54 | DTRemenak | bzflag's engine is a bit of a beast, and an ugly one at that |
| 06:23.00 | brlcad | mithro: I would love that idea ;) |
| 06:23.06 | DTRemenak | better to build it on a real engine, ogre or cs or something |
| 06:23.08 | L4m3r | I really liked an idea Jeff had- a text editor with highlighting and such, and a live preview window |
| 06:23.28 | jude | I was considering adding that into the graphical editor, if I were to create it. |
| 06:23.35 | mithro | brad: you a student or a mentor? :P |
| 06:23.40 | DTRemenak | and that would be more than welcome too |
| 06:23.49 | DTRemenak | mithro: you just can't get his name right, can ya? :) |
| 06:24.19 | mithro | s/brad/brlcad/ |
| 06:24.22 | brlcad | by "bzflag's engine", it think the intention was really just libplatform for portability purposes |
| 06:24.31 | BenUrban | would it help if i changed my nick to ZBenUrban? :P |
| 06:24.54 | brlcad | instead of "yet another" gtk/java/python/ruby/perl/whatever clone that dies |
| 06:25.13 | brlcad | mithro: heh, a mentor |
| 06:25.27 | brlcad | playing RFTS should be an indicator :) |
| 06:25.32 | jude | brlcad: you just answered the question I was about to ask |
| 06:25.45 | mithro | brlcad: I guess so :) |
| 06:25.47 | DTRemenak | jude: the ideas page is un-edited and mostly un-commented by the development team, it has whatever people think they want. the Summer of Code page is reviewed |
| 06:26.26 | mithro | brlcad: the fact your an oper might have given it away too :) |
| 06:26.26 | brlcad | jude: which ideas page are you referring to? |
| 06:26.26 | DTRemenak | so take Ideas with a grain of salt, not authoritative...though there are certainly many good ideas there |
| 06:26.40 | jude | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Ideas |
| 06:26.46 | brlcad | jude: the ideas at http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code#Proposal_Ideas are a little more "vetted" |
| 06:26.49 | mithro | brlcad: had any applications yet? |
| 06:26.58 | L4m3r | I'm literally working on the ideas page right now ;) |
| 06:27.05 | jude | brlcad: thank you for clarifying that :) |
| 06:27.35 | brlcad | jude: and one of them is to still work on a editor ;) |
| 06:27.35 | L4m3r | it needs SERIOUS cleanup. "server-side" spawns is one of the "ideas" :o |
| 06:27.40 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 06:27.44 | jude | I see |
| 06:27.48 | DTRemenak | "ideas" implemented what, 4 years ago? :) |
| 06:27.54 | L4m3r | yeah... |
| 06:28.03 | brlcad | jeff really wants someone for the editor |
| 06:28.03 | L4m3r | one of them says "implemented in 1.8" |
| 06:28.12 | jude | I LOL-ed when I read that |
| 06:28.13 | brlcad | well, that's dead then :) |
| 06:28.29 | L4m3r | yeah, it'll get cleaned |
| 06:28.42 | brlcad | yeah, server-side spawns would be great |
| 06:28.44 | brlcad | we should work on that |
| 06:28.47 | L4m3r | I'ma make a "rejected ideas" page to list out all the junk that's always asked for also |
| 06:29.02 | L4m3r | i.e. multiple flags, rotating turrets, slope driving, etc etc |
| 06:29.23 | L4m3r | with some more detailed rationale |
| 06:29.23 | DTRemenak | yay, then I can link to that from the Enhancements forum FAQ instead of keeping my own list... :) |
| 06:29.28 | brlcad | mithro: frankly, I haven't looked into the bin yet (dunno if it e-mail notifies), but we've had a few interests step in |
| 06:29.38 | brlcad | we "just" announced to our own community today |
| 06:29.38 | L4m3r | yup, DTRemenak :D |
| 06:29.41 | brlcad | er, yesterday |
| 06:29.43 | jude | L4M3r: that would be helpful |
| 06:30.00 | DTRemenak | still today over here on the left coast ;) |
| 06:30.13 | L4m3r | not for long :P |
| 06:30.22 | DTRemenak | true :) |
| 06:31.15 | jude | Also, regarding said editor...is there a preference to a specific widget set? |
| 06:31.39 | brlcad | that's a debate waiting to happen :) |
| 06:31.45 | DTRemenak | jude: the only real requirement is that it must be cross-platform |
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| 06:31.53 | L4m3r | anything that's cross-platform I would assume. lack of unity is a big issue with most existing map editors. |
| 06:32.04 | brlcad | cross-platform and maintainable |
| 06:32.14 | L4m3r | well, that and the fact that they all suck, pretty much |
| 06:32.17 | L4m3r | :P |
| 06:32.27 | brlcad | that is a general problem, yeah |
| 06:32.38 | DTRemenak | it'd also be preferred if it was not TOO foreign-acting on Windows, clueless windows users are our biggest support problem |
| 06:32.41 | L4m3r | if only Blender was easier. oh well. |
| 06:32.56 | brlcad | one really nice possibility would be cegui |
| 06:33.06 | L4m3r | DTRemenak: that seems to be changing |
| 06:33.12 | brlcad | especially if we ever get ogre or CS working, they both use/work with cegui |
| 06:33.20 | DTRemenak | L4m3r: what, you mean with all the clueless mac users? :) |
| 06:33.21 | L4m3r | it seems like all the newbies now are n00buntu users ;) |
| 06:33.22 | brlcad | simple enough callback interface |
| 06:33.28 | DTRemenak | ahh |
| 06:33.37 | L4m3r | clueless mac users? is there another kind? j/k ;) |
| 06:34.01 | DTRemenak | jude: basically, though, anything goes. everyone here will have suggestions, and they'll all conflict :) |
| 06:34.16 | jude | kk |
| 06:34.17 | L4m3r | anything other than gtk and I won't complain |
| 06:34.19 | brlcad | could always just use BZFlag's "widget" .. if functionality is missing, implement it ;) |
| 06:34.21 | L4m3r | :P |
| 06:34.49 | brlcad | gtk would be a bit hellish to maintain cross-platform |
| 06:34.52 | jude | I was considering writing a basic widget set to help cross-platform compatibility (i.e. Qt and GTK aren't exactly prevailant on Windows) |
| 06:35.03 | jude | ...and integrate it into the editor |
| 06:35.14 | DTRemenak | brlcad: as the person who is most likely most familiar with that code, I'd have to argue that that's a terrible idea for a map editor :) |
| 06:35.15 | jude | (but still keep it separate enough to keep it maintainable) |
| 06:35.49 | brlcad | DTRemenak: hey, I agree.. but it would be a motivation to fix bz's gui set ;) |
| 06:35.51 | L4m3r | the nice thing is that UI-wise it doesn't have to be that fancy |
| 06:36.13 | mithro | wxWidgets could be useful? |
| 06:36.43 | DTRemenak | jude: why reinvent the wheel ('specially with only three months)? one thing to look into are the gui systems based on graphics engines (cegui, which brlcad mentioned earlier is one)...don't limit yourself to the "traditional" desktop widgetsets |
| 06:36.44 | jude | possibly |
| 06:36.57 | brlcad | jude: hmm.. i'd be a bit anti write-it-yourself.. as it has very little to do with writing the layout/editor app itself .. and you could probably spend a long time working on it or just a little and it be too simple |
| 06:36.58 | DTRemenak | but see, here, I'm doing exactly what I said would happen...giving my suggestions... :) |
| 06:37.21 | jude | I see |
| 06:37.37 | brlcad | DTRemenak: hmm? you weren't going to suggest? |
| 06:37.43 | brlcad | jude: have you looked at cegui? |
| 06:37.57 | DTRemenak | brlcad: no, I was just letting him know that what I was suggesting was not really authoritative, just personal opinion |
| 06:38.10 | jude | I haven't heard of it...most of my development experience has been with DirectX, OpenGL, and SDL. Not really widget sets |
| 06:38.21 | brlcad | it's about as close to authoritative as we get :) |
| 06:38.25 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 06:38.26 | brlcad | jude: http://www.cegui.org.uk/wiki/index.php/Main_Page |
| 06:38.40 | jude | *clicking( |
| 06:38.41 | brlcad | it's a fully-opengl based imlementation, single context |
| 06:39.05 | brlcad | *very* minimal dependency, used by most of the render engines that we're also looking to integrate with |
| 06:39.36 | brlcad | wouldn't find much resistance to using it, and it motivates a direction for the client too |
| 06:39.59 | L4m3r | okay, I'm going to throw out a random idea. |
| 06:40.06 | brlcad | themeable too |
| 06:40.16 | brlcad | bzflag skins sent from the server, woot |
| 06:40.30 | DTRemenak | ugh |
| 06:40.37 | DTRemenak | just what we need...less consistency :P |
| 06:40.37 | L4m3r | for a while I've thought of making some scripts to generate special map objects as meshes, for shapes not supported by bzw |
| 06:41.19 | L4m3r | what would be kickass for a map editor would be a simple scripting API to add more object options than BZW supports by itself |
| 06:41.38 | L4m3r | for instance, a torus |
| 06:41.46 | jude | certainly |
| 06:42.23 | DTRemenak | L4m3r: for our current situation, that doesn't make much sense...it's easy enough to fire up a modeler, click a torus, export the file, and be done with it |
| 06:42.32 | L4m3r | yes |
| 06:42.38 | DTRemenak | if we have our own editor, having predefines could suddenly be very cool |
| 06:43.04 | L4m3r | being able to add your own would make it even more powerful, though ;) |
| 06:43.10 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 06:43.14 | jude | I had also considered creating an extendable file IO API that would allow many popular 3D file formats to be read in as meshes |
| 06:43.41 | jude | ...easily allowing for the creation of more complex objects, such as a torus |
| 06:43.49 | DTRemenak | some form of external import is almost a requirement |
| 06:44.04 | jude | as in, loading and rendering BZW files? |
| 06:44.23 | jude | of course |
| 06:44.27 | DTRemenak | no, importing objects from non-bzw 3d formats. |
| 06:44.33 | jude | definitely |
| 06:44.37 | brlcad | DTRemenak: c'mon.. you know you want to join some joker's server and see floating genitalia gui elements |
| 06:44.54 | DTRemenak | we have existing code for converting obj files, so that should be a bare minimum |
| 06:45.17 | DTRemenak | but it'd be cool to be able to grok other formats too |
| 06:45.27 | L4m3r | is there any way to do .obj imports WELL? it seems like objects always float |
| 06:45.29 | jude | I already have file loaders on-hand to support 3ds and ac3d that I'd happily integrate into the editor |
| 06:45.29 | brlcad | L4m3r: trepan had a library that was like that.. extensions to bzw that were more complex object types |
| 06:45.46 | brlcad | that eventually evolved into just the mesh extensions, but the basic idea was there |
| 06:45.54 | DTRemenak | brlcad: well....no, floating genitalia is not really my idea of a good interface |
| 06:46.45 | DTRemenak | both, really |
| 06:46.51 | brlcad | well true |
| 06:46.52 | DTRemenak | floating internally would be pretty odd |
| 06:47.18 | brlcad | wow, what a topic stray :) |
| 06:47.22 | DTRemenak | no kidding |
| 06:47.26 | L4m3r | the one thing I don't like about the use of modellers is when mappers overdo simple shapes |
| 06:47.27 | brlcad | sorry :) |
| 06:48.09 | L4m3r | that's why a good, simple editor would rock. I hate seeing maps that are slightly more sophisticated than the primitives, but use thousands of polys because the modeller was overkill. |
| 06:48.41 | DTRemenak | yeah, something that was actually aware of our native primitives would go a long way towards solving that problem |
| 06:48.56 | jude | indeed |
| 06:49.10 | brlcad | L4m3r: that's why I'd love to integrate a simple editor interface with brl-cad's model engine -- we do primitives, and can do tessellations for things like LOD, meshes, and shapes that bz doesn't support |
| 06:49.25 | brlcad | (not mged, but something custom) |
| 06:50.08 | brlcad | brl-cad does all of bz's primitives (and about a dozen more) in addition to mesh/polygonal objects |
| 06:50.34 | brlcad | but now that's just crazy talk |
| 06:50.35 | DTRemenak | heh, yeah, I don't think mged qualifies as "easier to use than blender" :P |
| 06:50.41 | jude | brb |
| 06:51.00 | DTRemenak | but yeah, it does have a pretty nice set of primitives |
| 06:51.38 | DTRemenak | might be interesting to get additional native primitive support in bz too... |
| 06:51.51 | DTRemenak | but THAT'S just crazy talk |
| 06:53.18 | jude | I'd be willing to write a patch for it... |
| 06:53.25 | L4m3r | you can only add so many things though |
| 06:54.23 | L4m3r | an interface would allow someone, for instance, to model the genitalia of their choice and pass it around for use as a standard map object. :P |
| 06:54.51 | jude | theoretically, if a mesh could be created for it... |
| 06:55.09 | DTRemenak | yeah, it could already be done |
| 06:55.17 | L4m3r | exactly |
| 06:55.18 | DTRemenak | don't you suggest that to any of those mofo folks now... :) |
| 06:55.32 | L4m3r | oh, that idea has been toyed with for years |
| 06:55.40 | DTRemenak | heh, why does that not surprise me... |
| 06:55.50 | L4m3r | be grateful it has not made an appearance as an AF prank |
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| 06:56.00 | DTRemenak | what really surprises me is that they have had the restraint to not do it yet ;) |
| 06:56.37 | L4m3r | restraint? no, we've not had the time/willingness to model it :P |
| 06:56.43 | DTRemenak | aye! |
| 06:57.27 | L4m3r | don't worry, we already have a few AF ideas lined up that are easier and more clever :P |
| 06:57.31 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 06:57.42 | DTRemenak | I, uh, can't wait.... |
| 06:57.51 | L4m3r | er, and less lewd too |
| 06:58.00 | DTRemenak | ah, that's pleasant at least :) |
| 06:58.10 | brlcad | DTRemenak: actually for a lot of things, mged is easier to use than blender .. so long as you're not afraid of typing |
| 06:58.14 | L4m3r | did you hear what we did last year? |
| 06:58.22 | brlcad | point-n-click-wise, I'd easily agree |
| 06:58.27 | DTRemenak | brlcad: I think the learning curve is easily steeper though |
| 06:58.41 | brlcad | overall for more complex stuff, yes |
| 06:58.45 | Fiberchunks | lewd is good! lewd is fun! Bring forth the lewd acts! |
| 06:58.51 | DTRemenak | yeah, it's easy to get started |
| 06:58.52 | Fiberchunks | and ' |
| 06:58.53 | brlcad | for just making boxes on a field |
| 06:59.01 | brlcad | woot, Fiberchunks ! |
| 06:59.04 | Fiberchunks | urgh - 'allo brlcad |
| 06:59.05 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 06:59.18 | DTRemenak | L4m3r: no, I don't think I did...do I want to? :) |
| 06:59.24 | brlcad | i was just trash talking you just yesterday or something Fiberchunks ;) |
| 06:59.32 | brlcad | j/k, just wondering where ya went :) |
| 06:59.33 | L4m3r | we modified our map to be two-in-one, separated by a large distance. one was scaled 1.5x and the other ~0.66x |
| 06:59.48 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 06:59.50 | Fiberchunks | brlcad, you sum-bitch! ;) |
| 07:00.02 | L4m3r | and we connected them with the map's teleporters. everytime you went through, you became rather disoriented |
| 07:00.09 | brlcad | DTRemenak: that's also, though, why I wouldn't suggest mged.. it would be a custom/simplified gui using brl-cad's geometry engine for processing |
| 07:00.15 | DTRemenak | heh,that's pretty good :) |
| 07:00.17 | L4m3r | kinda like that world in Mario 64 |
| 07:00.28 | DTRemenak | brlcad: yeah, I know you didn't suggest it...just thought I'd throw the comment out there for fun :) |
| 07:11.54 | jude | I apologize in advance for this final newbish question for tonight (feel free to ignore if too disgusted to respond): roughly how much detail should I put into a proposal? I'd be willing to design a complete UML diagram, use-case diagrams, and potential sequence diagrams in addition to writing a full proposal enumerating development methods, APIs, time frames, specific features, etc. if it would not be in vain... |
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| 07:13.04 | fiberchunks | fer chrissakes |
| 07:14.48 | fiberchunks | allo, anyone ping? |
| 07:14.55 | jude | hello |
| 07:15.05 | fiberchunks | marvelous! many thanks |
| 07:15.27 | jude | not sure anyone else is here, tho |
| 07:15.38 | Rawk | me ;-) |
| 07:15.46 | fiberchunks | not necessarily shocking, imho |
| 07:16.06 | jude | is this channel usually vacant around this time? |
| 07:16.14 | jude | (i.e. your local time) |
| 07:17.06 | fiberchunks | 'cause and effect' I had too much to drink, and therefore I have to piss.' |
| 07:17.22 | jude | lol |
| 07:18.17 | fiberchunks | I don't spend enough responsible time here anymore to answer that question legitimately, and thus, I cannot. |
| 07:18.54 | jude | I see. This is the first time I've even BEEN on this channel |
| 07:20.25 | Rawk | jude: yes, probably quietens down around this time (late in the US) |
| 07:20.41 | jude | yeah. most people aren't awake where I am |
| 07:21.38 | Rawk | jude: where r you? |
| 07:22.40 | jude | Arizona |
| 07:22.48 | jude | u? |
| 07:23.19 | fiberchunks | CT, in case anyone gives a rats-ass (oh my I really shouldn't be typing) |
| 07:23.41 | Rawk | New Zealand ;-) |
| 07:23.46 | fiberchunks | too much Jamesons, and too much Guiness (brilliant!) |
| 07:24.10 | jude | what is it with hackers and Guiness? that's the only beer people drink at the local LUG |
| 07:24.42 | fiberchunks | Guiness is the _only_ beer anyone should drink, mere mortal! :) |
| 07:24.53 | jude | I'm underage...wouldn't know |
| 07:25.34 | fiberchunks | well, stay that way youngun ;) |
| 07:26.11 | L4m3r | I once had a co-worker offer to buy me a case of beer if I fixed his computer. |
| 07:26.24 | brlcad | jude: this is a general lull time |
| 07:26.34 | fiberchunks | heh, that is my usual mode of payment :) |
| 07:26.42 | brlcad | the east coast us has mostly slept, and the left coast is about to ;) |
| 07:26.55 | brlcad | save for a few nuts on the east coast |
| 07:27.02 | fiberchunks | wha?!!?!! |
| 07:27.08 | brlcad | :) |
| 07:27.17 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 07:29.11 | jude | brlcad: when would be a good time to be on this channel to observe the BZFlag team in action? |
| 07:29.23 | brlcad | jude 24/7 ;) |
| 07:30.09 | jude | kk |
| 07:30.11 | brlcad | even during "normal" busy hours, an hour might pass with nay a word said.. or it might be flowing like wine |
| 07:30.17 | brlcad | depends on what's going on that day |
| 07:30.26 | fiberchunks | brlcad, jude is a major contributor to bzflag development |
| 07:30.34 | jude | not |
| 07:30.36 | brlcad | most of the devs and main users live/lurk in here most of the time |
| 07:30.46 | jude | yet |
| 07:30.47 | fiberchunks | although, more of a mac dude than most, iirc |
| 07:31.03 | brlcad | fiberchunks is a bit wasted, /me thinks ;) |
| 07:31.22 | jude | just, maybe, perhaps |
| 07:31.23 | fiberchunks | meh, not so much as I can't remember contributions you :) |
| 07:31.43 | fiberchunks | whee! |
| 07:32.25 | brlcad | jude: so I guess you don't have an inch of ice on the ground then like I'm seeing out my window? :) |
| 07:32.40 | jude | nope. In fact, it was over 90 F today |
| 07:32.50 | fiberchunks | rat bastard! |
| 07:33.00 | fiberchunks | it's 6" and counting here |
| 07:33.11 | jude | I sympathize: I used to live in Vermont |
| 07:33.13 | brlcad | ahh, we got all ice and sleet |
| 07:34.36 | jude | I think my town maxed at 0.5 inches (a five year record) |
| 07:36.18 | brlcad | visited yuma for the first time last year, had a nice sizzling time |
| 07:36.34 | fiberchunks | oooo, hey, did you see mandrake? |
| 07:36.45 | fiberchunks | or visit, perhaps? |
| 07:36.56 | brlcad | nah, and I even had to stop over in phoenix |
| 07:37.02 | brlcad | but didn't have any time |
| 07:37.15 | brlcad | he was here a couple days ago actually |
| 07:37.23 | fiberchunks | phoot, |
| 07:37.26 | brlcad | maybe in a diff channel |
| 07:37.32 | brlcad | but around |
| 07:38.03 | fiberchunks | how goes it with the bishop? |
| 07:38.03 | brlcad | jude: all the core devs are in here at various times of the day |
| 07:38.17 | fiberchunks | jesus, I can't type tonight |
| 07:38.50 | fiberchunks | argh |
| 07:39.01 | brlcad | he's doing pretty good, he started a new biz |
| 07:39.51 | fiberchunks | ah, good for him |
| 07:40.00 | brlcad | jude: that would be dtr, jeff, tupone, and myself as the predominant activity (two you met tonight) |
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| 07:40.09 | jude | kk |
| 07:40.21 | brlcad | there are others that also know of the modeling aspects but jeff, dtr, and myself are probably the most in the know on that impact |
| 07:40.36 | brlcad | jeff really wants to work on it, though, and might have other ideas of his own |
| 07:40.40 | fiberchunks | I am NOT a predominant activity -- as a matter of fact, it is well know that I am a troglodyte! |
| 07:41.21 | jude | Jeff is another potential applicant I take it? |
| 07:41.21 | brlcad | again, the primary real constraints are cross-platform and maintainable, and preferably not spending all your time reinventing.. ;) otherwise, fair game! |
| 07:41.30 | brlcad | no, jeff is a core dev |
| 07:41.40 | jude | apologees |
| 07:41.41 | fiberchunks | Jeff is one of 'da men' |
| 07:41.48 | jude | big apologees |
| 07:42.00 | brlcad | meh, no need to apologize, you don't know anyone here yet ;) |
| 07:42.23 | fiberchunks | oooooooooooo, naughty! |
| 07:42.26 | jude | lol |
| 07:42.30 | brlcad | sees a fiberchunks holding a lot of strings and pushing buttons |
| 07:42.46 | fiberchunks | nah, it's all smoke and mirrors! |
| 07:43.05 | brlcad | cigars? |
| 07:43.44 | fiberchunks | those too, but only for women in blue dresses that don't look, generally, like apes |
| 07:45.29 | jude | If I should avoid reinventing...would it be acceptable to submit an editor that was, say, built on CrystalSpace (even though BZFlag isn't)? |
| 07:46.24 | jude | nm (I just realized how stupid that question sounded) |
| 07:49.32 | brlcad | jude: actually, that's a perfectly viable question |
| 07:49.56 | brlcad | actually, I think that's a great approach.. though you're still left with what to do for a gui :) |
| 07:50.08 | brlcad | and CS uses CEGUI :) |
| 07:50.14 | brlcad | (mentioned earlier) |
| 07:50.44 | jude | That GUI looks very interesting |
| 07:51.26 | brlcad | OGRE also uses CEGUI |
| 07:51.45 | brlcad | doesn't mean you have to use the skin/look appearance.. that's all entirely customizable in cegui |
| 07:52.15 | jude | I see |
| 07:52.17 | brlcad | what matters are the types of gui widgets, which it has a healthy collection of |
| 07:52.31 | brlcad | sliders, buttons, windows, dialogs, edit boxes, etc |
| 07:52.33 | purple_cow | CEGUI makes me sad |
| 07:52.48 | fiberchunks | ah, a purple_cow ! howdy |
| 07:53.01 | jude | brlcad: I'll definitely spend some time learning it before GSoC |
| 07:53.10 | fiberchunks | decks, decks, decks, decks, decks... |
| 07:56.56 | Flash | fiberchunks: actually, it's Saturday nearly everywhere in IRC-land ;-) |
| 07:57.25 | fiberchunks | flash, indeed, which is why I'm still drinking :) |
| 07:58.07 | fiberchunks | or maybe I'm just getting old .... |
| 08:00.01 | brlcad | purple_cow: you know of a better cross-platform gui lib not tied to some dependency hell? |
| 08:00.44 | purple_cow | fltk? |
| 08:10.49 | brlcad | fltk could work |
| 08:13.36 | jude | purple_cow: why does CEGUI make you sad? |
| 08:13.53 | brlcad | lots of things make him sad |
| 08:13.59 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 08:14.00 | brlcad | he's picky like that |
| 08:14.19 | jude | I see |
| 08:14.52 | brlcad | regardless, the base requirements are still the same -- cegui fulfills, fltk does too, there are a few others out there as well |
| 08:16.19 | jude | I'll definitely look into these widget sets before completing my proposal |
| 08:16.24 | brlcad | cegui and fltk are probably the most popular, fltk is more mature and flexible, cegui is more integrated with opengl |
| 08:17.17 | brlcad | cegui has those other benefits of matching up with the stuff that we might add to the game client as well (through adoption of CS or OGRE) so it makes sense to leverage |
| 08:17.36 | jude | I see |
| 08:17.59 | purple_cow | cegui adds all sorts of API and configuration overhead, and the themeability sucks |
| 08:18.42 | purple_cow | and yes, I am picky |
| 08:18.46 | brlcad | whereas fltk just avoids the suckage altogether by leaving out the possibility :) |
| 08:19.02 | jude | but if it were run on a machine that was already capable of running BZFlag...would it be safe to assume the machine has enough memory for CEGUI's overhead? |
| 08:19.17 | jude | provided proper implementation, of course |
| 08:19.20 | brlcad | jude: heh, yeah, that's a perfectly safe assumption |
| 08:19.47 | brlcad | you're not likely to run into memory problems, and you're mostly writing a new interface regardless and can define minimum requirements |
| 08:20.00 | purple_cow | brlcad: if I'm going to put that much work into using an API, I expect to at least be able to make it pretty |
| 08:20.48 | brlcad | :) |
| 08:24.32 | jude | Anyway, I really appreciate you all setting up this IRC channel for GSoC, as well as your insights into the development of a BZW editor, but unfortunately I am having difficulty staying awake much longer, and must bid you all adieu. |
| 08:25.12 | fiberchunks | shalom |
| 08:25.27 | purple_cow | I'm very concerned about the presence of a "bzw editor" on the soc projects list =P |
| 08:25.58 | fiberchunks | what is soc? |
| 08:26.12 | purple_cow | summer of code |
| 08:26.27 | fiberchunks | ah ha |
| 08:27.28 | fiberchunks | decks! /me dodges bullets |
| 08:34.10 | brlcad | purple_cow: why concerned? |
| 08:34.36 | brlcad | because you clearly want to mentor that or something? :) |
| 08:35.00 | brlcad | (jeff wants it) |
| 08:35.05 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 08:36.23 | purple_cow | it's a huge, difficult task |
| 08:37.05 | brlcad | even without edit support? |
| 08:37.29 | fiberchunks | didn't scanline and yourself whip up a python editor within a couple of weekends, or is this some different beasty? |
| 08:38.00 | purple_cow | that wasn't an editor, that was basically a world viewer |
| 08:38.13 | purple_cow | I've done a number of different editor implementations |
| 08:38.39 | fiberchunks | pardon, I've been out for several iterations |
| 08:39.24 | purple_cow | it's especially difficult now that doing a "world editor" basically means either adding bzflag support to an existing editor (such as blender) or implementing a full 3D polygonal modeler |
| 08:40.13 | fiberchunks | why so? (if there's a link point me to it so I don't waste your time, por favor) |
| 08:40.16 | brlcad | the task specifically says not to add support for editing meshes/objects .. more of a viewer as well |
| 08:40.38 | brlcad | basic read/write support and object placement |
| 08:40.57 | purple_cow | ok, no mesh editing. you presumably still want a way to "edit" objects like zones, world weapons, drivers |
| 08:41.14 | purple_cow | ... |
| 08:44.33 | brlcad | presumably |
| 08:48.04 | purple_cow | more power to jeff if he wants to mentor it, but it just doesn't seem likely to me to get a useful result |
| 08:48.32 | brlcad | you know he'll implement half of it :) |
| 08:49.07 | purple_cow | and it'll probably happen in C++ too. bleah. |
| 08:53.37 | brlcad | s/'// |
| 08:53.41 | purple_cow | careful, I think some of them are poisonous |
| 09:00.56 | brlcad | it's the only way to build up a natural resistance |
| 09:10.46 | Manu | brlcad, still awake? ;) |
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| 10:32.05 | ts | brlcad: I am now :/ |
| 10:42.15 | ts | brlcad: There is a word called "est" in the "striped box". It's meant to be "ist". |
| 11:04.14 | ts | brlcad: Also "wär`s" is wrong |
| 11:07.33 | ts | and I think "online multiplayer cross-platform 3D tank battle game" should be translated into "plattformunabhängige 3D Netzwerkspiel mit Panzern" |
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| 11:10.32 | ts | another point is "Job" should be translated into "Stelle" |
| 11:11.08 | Upsetter | ts: plattformunabhängiges , dont forget the "s" |
| 11:11.29 | ts | Upsetter: No |
| 11:11.46 | ts | Upsetter: "das plattformunabhängiges"?!?!! |
| 11:11.56 | Upsetter | das spiel |
| 11:12.05 | ts | Upsetter: Read context |
| 11:12.34 | Jo-W | das spiel das arbeite uber alles |
| 11:12.34 | ts | ~slap Upsetter |
| 11:12.38 | Upsetter | ts, k, i see |
| 11:13.37 | ts | brlcad: I hope you're not only reading the lines I prefixed with your nick |
| 11:14.16 | ts | Upsetter: :) |
| 11:15.46 | Upsetter | ts: can u give me a link where do you look at? |
| 11:33.54 | ts | Upsetter: http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code#Promotion_Flyers |
| 11:34.11 | Upsetter | ts: thx |
| 11:46.54 | ts | lol, power failure |
| 11:47.18 | Upsetter | if no one has mentioned before: "ermöglich" is missing a "t" in the end. -> "ermöglicht" |
| 11:47.27 | ts | ooh |
| 11:47.33 | ts | right |
| 11:48.02 | ts | Also "on" should be "auf" |
| 11:53.37 | ts | I guess it was pretty late when Saturos translated it :) |
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| 12:15.46 | Upsetter | ts: if you change "Job" to "Stelle" then you also have to change "einem" to "einer" -> should be "Wie wäre es mit einer Stelle im Sommer?" ; but that sonds not good, so i would let it as it is now, let it as "Job", everyone knows what it means ;) |
| 12:16.29 | ts | Upsetter: Then it is not translated :/ |
| 12:17.29 | Upsetter | ts: true, was just a remark ;) |
| 12:18.40 | ts | g2g |
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| 12:36.43 | philbrick34 | anyone here know of anyone who hosts servers? |
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| 13:34.58 | orchid | :-) |
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| 15:35.04 | Get_Banned_or_Di | cheating is so much fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:35.51 | Jo-W | depends on the cheat |
| 15:35.58 | blah_blah | is it possible to masterban someone who has a dynamic IP? |
| 15:36.15 | Jo-W | only his entire range |
| 15:36.33 | blah_blah | suck my cock then, i'm gonna go back to cheating now |
| 15:36.42 | Jo-W | lol |
| 15:37.24 | ruskie | blah_blah, banning the entire rang isn't an issue for most ppl :) |
| 15:37.34 | Bz_Win | what was he selling? |
| 15:37.55 | blah_blah | why not? |
| 15:38.43 | Bz_Win | because usually the IP only changes by a couple of digits at the end |
| 15:39.45 | brlcad | ts: but is it understandable? it's more meant to just get their attention quick, not be perfect |
| 15:40.04 | brlcad | it's shelf-life is just 7 more days (so post it around your uni's!) |
| 15:42.00 | brlcad | blah_blah: you can also be hostname-banned, and you do have a rather specific host locality |
| 15:42.23 | brlcad | and if you get enough server bans, you will be considered material for a masterban too |
| 15:42.50 | ruskie | blah blah got banned on viper for language or so the current set of cops online atm tell me :) |
| 15:42.58 | brlcad | and please watch you language in here |
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| 16:10.45 | Jeffm2502 | bloody wireless |
| 16:12.39 | brlcad | yeah, it does get bloody if you don't use the right guage wire |
| 16:14.43 | brlcad | Jeffm2502: if you see 'jude', we seem to have a taker on the bzw editor -- dtr and i were talking to him last night .. he'll probably be back |
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| 16:19.59 | Bz_Win | Oh no! jeff cloned himseld! |
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| 16:41.11 | menotume | ciao occhi blu ! |
| 16:41.20 | A_Heart_Attack | *drools* |
| 16:46.14 | SportChick | ciao dulce occhi blu! |
| 16:46.28 | SportChick | ~lart menotume |
| 16:47.46 | menotume | whew |
| 16:47.49 | menotume | thx |
| 16:48.00 | PuMpErNiCkLe | ^^ |
| 16:48.06 | menotume | hmm, it's stuffy in there |
| 16:48.08 | menotume | and wet |
| 16:49.24 | menotume | the roof is falling in ! |
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| 16:52.47 | JeffM2501 | I rather dislike wireless :( |
| 16:54.26 | Jo-W | /nickserver ghost for the win |
| 16:54.30 | Jo-W | err -er |
| 16:55.42 | brlcad | ~menotume++ |
| 16:59.47 | blast007 | brlcad: "blah blah" a.k.a. "Outburst?" has been on several servers with a modified client, including my server |
| 16:59.56 | blast007 | "Outburst?" is globally registered |
| 17:00.35 | JeffM2501 | what does his client do? |
| 17:00.46 | blast007 | I haven't witnessed it myself |
| 17:01.07 | blast007 | but I have heard that he can pick out specific flags of interest |
| 17:01.21 | blast007 | and possibly see ST and/or CL |
| 17:01.31 | JeffM2501 | if you see it, we shuld send him a PM and pull his global |
| 17:01.54 | Bz_Win | Who plays with flags anyways? ;) |
| 17:02.58 | brlcad | JeffM2501: or keep his global, and masterban -- makes it easier to track him on the logs |
| 17:02.58 | blast007 | Bz_Win :P |
| 17:03.07 | JeffM2501 | if he's static |
| 17:03.17 | JeffM2501 | has he been banned localy at all? |
| 17:03.19 | brlcad | i mean specifically because he's not |
| 17:03.44 | brlcad | there's no problems tracking static on the logs :) |
| 17:03.58 | JeffM2501 | if he's not static, then we can't masterban |
| 17:04.30 | brlcad | sure we can, just takes more effort to watch/update |
| 17:04.31 | blast007 | JeffM2501: sure we can |
| 17:04.38 | JeffM2501 | we said we'd not do that |
| 17:04.51 | Flash | blast007: I saw it last night |
| 17:04.57 | blast007 | Flash: ok |
| 17:05.06 | Flash | moves faster than normal |
| 17:05.08 | JeffM2501 | but if we want to start, then maybe we should just make a global admin team |
| 17:05.17 | JeffM2501 | cus then that's what we are making masterban into |
| 17:06.35 | brlcad | you mean different than the existing "global admin team" that has commit access to the ban list? |
| 17:06.42 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 17:06.53 | brlcad | er, then why? |
| 17:06.53 | JeffM2501 | I mean a group that is active cops |
| 17:07.11 | JeffM2501 | and some published info on what happens if you get on masterban |
| 17:07.12 | brlcad | i don't see the connection |
| 17:07.14 | JeffM2501 | by accedent |
| 17:07.47 | JeffM2501 | just more "go to "people for issues with it |
| 17:07.49 | brlcad | i mean that might be good or not, but what does it have to do with banning some cheater? |
| 17:08.02 | JeffM2501 | dynamic means we may get an inocent |
| 17:08.14 | JeffM2501 | and we don't have that much info on it |
| 17:08.20 | brlcad | hmm |
| 17:08.24 | JeffM2501 | if we do more and more of that it could get to be a big range |
| 17:08.29 | JeffM2501 | dynamics I mean |
| 17:08.47 | brlcad | oh, you mean banning IP *ranges*? |
| 17:08.52 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 17:08.53 | brlcad | i wasn't suggesting that |
| 17:08.55 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 17:09.00 | JeffM2501 | just a single dynamic? |
| 17:09.04 | JeffM2501 | or the ones he shows on? |
| 17:09.11 | brlcad | ooohkay.. yeah, we did decide to "not do that" |
| 17:09.21 | brlcad | but that wasn't what I was talking about doing :) |
| 17:09.25 | JeffM2501 | oh, ok |
| 17:09.35 | JeffM2501 | just watch the IP and ban it when he changes, |
| 17:09.36 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 17:09.38 | brlcad | it's easy enough to monitor the logs and ban-on-use for new ip |
| 17:09.41 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 17:09.51 | JeffM2501 | prolly should also take off the old ones too |
| 17:09.57 | brlcad | i almost wrote a script to do it for the last guy |
| 17:10.17 | JeffM2501 | keep the last N or something |
| 17:10.26 | brlcad | yeah, need to set an expire (now if it'd just commit itself to cvs too, sweet) |
| 17:10.40 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 17:12.04 | SportChick | JeffM2501: we sort of have one, though the list should be updated/vetted |
| 17:12.07 | DTRemenak | brlcad: fwiw, the closest thing we've (err, I've) made to a policy statement regarding the masterban list is http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=29417#29417 |
| 17:12.17 | SportChick | JeffM2501: oh, never mind |
| 17:12.57 | JeffM2501 | I had made a wiki article on it as well |
| 17:13.02 | JeffM2501 | someone may want to review it |
| 17:14.42 | brlcad | DTRemenak: yeah, pretty good summary there -- I'd made similar comments when the list first came online, pretty sure jeff has too |
| 17:14.54 | brlcad | wiki is a great place to write it all down |
| 17:15.02 | DTRemenak | yeah, I just posted what I thought was consensus |
| 17:15.07 | brlcad | i just don't want to see some sort of committee start up |
| 17:15.12 | DTRemenak | eeew |
| 17:15.15 | brlcad | to manage the list |
| 17:15.33 | JeffM2501 | no no, we've seen how THAT works ;) |
| 17:16.31 | SportChick | JeffM2501: I have one change to your wiki announcement |
| 17:16.44 | JeffM2501 | then make it ;) |
| 17:16.56 | JeffM2501 | dtr can get you a login |
| 17:17.04 | SportChick | last sentence should read "Please feel free to expand and enhance..." |
| 17:17.05 | SportChick | oh |
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| 17:18.59 | ep | This happen once before and I forgot how to fix it: |
| 17:19.17 | ep | On ubuntu, I killed bzflag when it was minimized in windowed mode. Now I can *only* start it in windowed mode and it dies when I attemt to switch to full screen via F1. |
| 17:20.24 | Pommes | perhaps as a test you could try to move the .bzf-directory away ? |
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| 17:20.53 | ep | i'll give it a shot |
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| 17:22.45 | SportChick | philbrick34: ping |
| 17:26.43 | ep | I moved the .bzf directory and it still dies with Major opcode of failed request: 134 ... |
| 17:28.20 | menotume | ep - screen resolution |
| 17:28.31 | menotume | maybe |
| 17:28.58 | menotume | start in windowed mode, chane the res to somehitng <= desktop res |
| 17:30.34 | ep | ok |
| 17:31.44 | ep | that did the trick. You're the man meno. |
| 17:32.11 | menotume | has happened to me :) |
| 17:36.43 | philbrick34 | can someone come to a server and ban someone, they are cheating and no admin are there.. |
| 17:36.56 | Bz_Win | who and where |
| 17:37.20 | LongDon | brlcad: do you want me to write a script which migrates from mysql database to ldap or from sql dump to ldap? |
| 17:38.03 | LongDon | regarding phpbb |
| 17:38.19 | philbrick34 | the call name is "blah blah" but they just left |
| 17:38.33 | brlcad | LongDon: sure, that would be sweet |
| 17:38.37 | philbrick34 | nthey were going evtremely fast and they are going from server and server getting banned |
| 17:38.39 | menotume | hehe |
| 17:38.43 | Bz_Win | WHERE |
| 17:38.46 | Bz_Win | I don't care about who |
| 17:38.51 | menotume | LongDon: if you do from db, it'll work both ways :) |
| 17:39.06 | philbrick34 | it was at map for smart and sneaky people |
| 17:40.12 | menotume | i would assume that you 'script' would first use a dump to populate a sql table |
| 17:40.14 | brlcad | yeah, specifically from db to ldap is what is needed if phpbb works against ldap for read-only |
| 17:40.41 | philbrick34 | not hes at the fast bullets map |
| 17:40.44 | menotume | read-only ? |
| 17:41.18 | brlcad | if phpbb can read the data in ldap, and just not add new entries, we're fine |
| 17:41.42 | brlcad | since new accounts would be made via drupal authentication module (to bzauthd) |
| 17:43.07 | LongDon | brlcad: the question is if you want to migrate from database directly or want to make a sql dump before. |
| 17:44.07 | menotume | hmm, just make the db name configurable ? :) |
| 17:44.37 | menotume | and work directly from db |
| 17:44.49 | menotume | then, we can dump, populate a db |
| 17:44.55 | LongDon | thats no problem. Migration from database is easier for me since i dont haveto parse the sql dump |
| 17:45.01 | menotume | ya |
| 17:45.05 | LongDon | ok |
| 17:45.18 | menotume | if it were me, working from a dump, i'd use that to populate a db anyway :) |
| 17:45.26 | menotume | then use sql, easier :) |
| 17:49.40 | brlcad | ah, yeah, that much doesn't matter .. do whatever floats your skiff |
| 17:52.06 | LongDon | ok will do that tonight |
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| 18:37.23 | CThinkTanker | hey |
| 18:37.32 | blast007 | hello |
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| 18:39.01 | CThinkTanker | is anyone playing at the momemt? |
| 18:39.09 | CThinkTanker | moment* |
| 18:40.48 | brad | http://bzstats.strayer.de/servers/ |
| 18:40.56 | brad | fine! |
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| 19:21.39 | ts | sb goto 16:39 |
| 19:21.42 | ts | gah |
| 19:22.41 | inchworm | 10 print "hello" |
| 19:22.44 | inchworm | 20 goto 10 |
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| 19:23.55 | ts | brlcad: It's halfway understandable but not good language. |
| 19:26.17 | ts | brlcad: I think do it as best as possible if localized, otherwise let it english as they'll be required to understand and write some english to communicate. |
| 19:27.13 | ts | brlcad: In my university there are no lessons these months meaning hardly students being there at this time. |
| 19:27.35 | KTL | no lessons these _months_? ?? |
| 19:27.48 | ts | KTL: There are none |
| 19:28.13 | KTL | we only have the summer, 2 months |
| 19:28.16 | ts | We have lots of stuff in few months, then we can repeat it in the "holidays" |
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| 19:28.36 | KTL | and 1 week after the exams in february, not even called vacation |
| 19:28.53 | ts | Holidays as in no profs teaching. 4.5 months no new lessons |
| 19:28.56 | KTL | and 2 weeks before the exams and that is meant for repetition |
| 19:29.24 | KTL | mmm 4.5 months vs 2 weeks |
| 19:29.30 | KTL | 8x |
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| 19:29.49 | KTL | lazy teachers :D |
| 19:30.09 | ts | KTL: In the time the profs do lessons students end up being very long in university and time management gets critical |
| 19:30.43 | KTL | "being in university" is something like being away for you or what? |
| 19:30.45 | ts | KTL: In Germany profs don't get money for number of students. There are some not really interested in teaching. |
| 19:30.57 | KTL | mmm |
| 19:31.15 | ts | So there are basically the good books and the German ones :/ |
| 19:31.30 | KTL | mmm :) |
| 19:32.34 | ts | I have had lessons where the room was full with 300 students, the prof has turned off all light except his presentation screen. His back was in our direction and he read down what was visible at the screen |
| 19:32.51 | ts | Luckily most aren't like that.. |
| 19:33.08 | KTL | luckily |
| 19:33.17 | KTL | mine know what they are talking about :D |
| 19:34.42 | ts | KTL: Heh, we have world leading experts here (e.g. cryptography) but when they talk many, including me, often don't understand what they say. |
| 19:35.14 | KTL | nobody understands me allready :D |
| 19:36.21 | KTL | it has to build up of course, _if i would follow and not loose the lead during the whole semesterperiod_ then ... i would still understand them in the end :D |
| 19:37.50 | KTL | we got some people here |
| 19:37.57 | KTL | very intelligent |
| 19:38.06 | KTL | giving courses way below their level |
| 19:38.18 | KTL | they do it, ok they get paid for it |
| 19:38.29 | KTL | somebody has to give the lessons java to the first years |
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| 19:52.31 | Bz_Win | Is something up with the bzflag.org server? I have to refresh the page ~5 times for anything to show up |
| 19:53.15 | CThinkTanker | isn't maintenance they're doing? |
| 19:53.21 | CThinkTanker | it( |
| 19:53.41 | CThinkTanker | ah nevermind. that's a different site. that one is fine for me |
| 19:56.27 | DTRemenak | CThinkTanker: please disable your auto-away messages, all they do is cause clutter |
| 19:57.54 | CThinkTanker | alright |
| 19:58.07 | DTRemenak | thanks :) |
| 19:59.28 | CThinkTanker | :) |
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| 20:03.13 | Jo-W | not just clutter, auto clutter |
| 20:03.47 | CThinkTanker | and it's useless to anyone else |
| 20:15.43 | CBG | ~bz20cvs |
| 20:15.45 | ibot | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P -r v2_0branch bzflag |
| 20:17.33 | *** part/#bzflag donny_baker (n=donny_ba@about/essy/vvvvv/donnybaker) |
| 20:19.29 | tupone_laptop | ~bzcs-cvs |
| 20:20.43 | tupone_laptop | ~bzcs-cvs is cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P -r v2_0_cs_branch bzflag |
| 20:20.44 | ibot | tupone_laptop: okay |
| 20:20.49 | tupone_laptop | ~bzcs-cvs |
| 20:20.50 | ibot | it has been said that bzcs-cvs is cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P -r v2_0_cs_branch bzflag |
| 20:21.27 | tupone_laptop | it is, not has been said :/ |
| 20:24.45 | CBG | ~no bzcs-cvs is <reply> cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P -r v2_0_cs_branch bzflag |
| 20:24.46 | ibot | CBG: okay |
| 20:24.53 | CBG | ~bzcs-cvs |
| 20:24.53 | ibot | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P -r v2_0_cs_branch bzflag |
| 20:25.01 | tupone_laptop | thanks |
| 20:25.01 | CBG | tupone_laptop: :) |
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| 20:30.19 | jude | ping |
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| 20:33.53 | ts | brlcad: This is what I suggest: http://pastebin.ca/399194 |
| 20:35.40 | ts | jude: if you want to contact someone then also write their name in the line with the ping. It makes their client beeping/highlighting the line etc |
| 20:36.10 | DTRemenak | pinging the whole channel doesn't always get any response :) |
| 20:36.24 | SportChick | in fact, it rarely gets any |
| 20:36.59 | DTRemenak | oddly enough, it did work this time ;) |
| 20:37.18 | ts | DTRemenak: I'm trying to be nice :) |
| 20:37.30 | DTRemenak | ts: good! keep it up :) |
| 20:37.50 | DTRemenak | sorry, that was kinda cruel... :( |
| 20:38.01 | DTRemenak | ts is clearly better at being nice than I am :) |
| 20:38.09 | jude | sorry |
| 20:38.53 | ts | jude: nothing to be sorry about, happens |
| 20:39.25 | DTRemenak | and in any case: pong :) |
| 20:40.26 | jude | DTRemenak: lol |
| 20:40.47 | ts | Jeff is interested in the map editor thing but he isn't here yet |
| 20:41.54 | jude | so I'm told. unfortunately, I have to leave soon, and will probably miss him |
| 20:42.23 | DTRemenak | he won't be around today at all in all likelyhood, it's his SO's birthday |
| 20:42.49 | ts | He's usually around at the other days of the week, not so much at the weekends |
| 20:43.25 | DTRemenak | might have some luck tomorrow, otherwise monday certainly |
| 20:45.28 | jude | DTRemenak: thanks, I'll make sure to check back then |
| 20:46.25 | DTRemenak | ...and you're always welcome to stick around and idle... :) |
| 20:47.58 | ts | DTRemenak: Eww, you're talking about lurking, do you? ;) |
| 20:48.13 | DTRemenak | lurking is the best way to get a feel for a particular channel |
| 20:48.31 | ts | True but it can be overdone |
| 20:48.43 | ts | anyway, I was just kidding |
| 20:49.35 | DTRemenak | ts: in what situation is lurking worse than signing off? :) |
| 20:50.16 | inchworm | hehe |
| 20:50.38 | CThinkTanker | :P |
| 20:50.41 | DTRemenak | not to discourage you from saying something, just a technicality :) |
| 20:52.48 | DTRemenak | ~spotlight brlcad |
| 20:52.58 | DTRemenak | aww |
| 20:53.26 | inchworm | ibot has some issues lately |
| 20:53.39 | inchworm | many factoids are gone |
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| 20:54.09 | inchworm | deja vu donny_baker |
| 20:55.31 | inchworm | hmm |
| 20:56.07 | inchworm | course my expectations weren't too high. I use it through the java applet interface :) |
| 20:56.49 | donny_baker | uninstalling and reinstalling the pc client isn't working, though the SSL VPN website is working |
| 20:57.01 | donny_baker | quite strange |
| 20:57.09 | inchworm | hmm, firewall issue? |
| 20:57.31 | inchworm | like the windows firewall |
| 20:57.53 | donny_baker | could be, but I think it has something with me teaching someone how to use it on Friday |
| 20:58.08 | inchworm | hehe, a metaphysical error then |
| 20:58.10 | donny_baker | from inside the network that the VPN is protecting |
| 20:58.42 | inchworm | so it left a reg entry? and keeps configuring itself wrong? |
| 20:59.02 | donny_baker | probably, I'll just use the web client for now |
| 20:59.43 | donny_baker | quite cool, actually... go to website, use your credenials and you have access to the network like you were there |
| 21:00.14 | donny_baker | just keep the browser window open, when you close the window you log off |
| 21:00.26 | inchworm | does sound cool |
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| 21:09.23 | blast007 | inchworm: VPN != VNC ;) |
| 21:09.41 | inchworm | blast007: oh! |
| 21:09.45 | blast007 | hehe |
| 21:09.55 | blast007 | VPN is a Virtual Private Network |
| 21:10.22 | inchworm | so your local box acts as if it is on that network.. |
| 21:10.29 | blast007 | yup |
| 21:10.32 | inchworm | even though you are in burmuda |
| 21:10.37 | blast007 | :) |
| 21:10.50 | inchworm | hmm, that is cool, but takes network gear :) |
| 21:10.59 | inchworm | i think.. |
| 21:11.32 | blast007 | Windows Server would act as the VPN server, or many free linux alternatives too |
| 21:12.01 | donny_baker | we use an appliance from f5Networks |
| 21:12.09 | blast007 | wouldn't necessarily need any special hardware either |
| 21:12.19 | donny_baker | uses a linux kernel, and a pretty web front end |
| 21:12.24 | blast007 | :) |
| 21:12.31 | inchworm | hmm my cheapo router has vpn... |
| 21:12.42 | blast007 | inchworm: or at least VPN passthrough |
| 21:13.26 | ndim | chinchworm! |
| 21:13.32 | inchworm | hehe |
| 21:13.41 | inchworm | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.50 | inchworm | that isn't too bad i guess |
| 21:13.58 | inchworm | better than my Chinese |
| 21:14.33 | inchworm | hmm enable IPSEC VPM |
| 21:14.39 | inchworm | Generate RSA key |
| 21:14.45 | inchworm | seems more than a passthrough |
| 21:15.00 | blast007 | not bad at all |
| 21:15.23 | blast007 | mine just has IPSec Passthrough, PPTP Passthrough, and L2TP Passthrough |
| 21:15.35 | DTRemenak | my cheap router supports vpn too...course I'm running dd-wrt on it... |
| 21:15.43 | inchworm | hehe |
| 21:15.47 | blast007 | DTRemenak: yeah, mine could run that too ;) |
| 21:15.57 | blast007 | was trying to compile OpenWRT at one point |
| 21:15.59 | inchworm | i'm scared cause my routers serves pages as .asp |
| 21:16.06 | blast007 | but I didn't have enough space on my linux box |
| 21:16.08 | ndim | hehe |
| 21:16.15 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 21:16.22 | DTRemenak | inchworm: ewww |
| 21:16.27 | inchworm | i agree |
| 21:16.29 | blast007 | probably doesn't help it's a FAT32 drive either, with linux on it |
| 21:16.40 | tupone_laptop | cia is not working anymore |
| 21:16.47 | inchworm | is there a windows embedded for routers or something? |
| 21:17.12 | DTRemenak | tupone_laptop: it seems to be broken. hasn't recorded any of my commits the last few days either |
| 21:17.40 | tupone_laptop | yeah, I saw it |
| 21:17.55 | tupone_laptop | well, not seen here, but seen on CVS |
| 21:18.09 | DTRemenak | but they also haven't appeared in the sf bzflag-commits archives, so it's probably sf's mailer that's busted |
| 21:18.43 | tupone_laptop | http://fisheye1.cenqua.com/browse/bzflag/bzflag I've seen here :) |
| 21:19.14 | blast007 | DTRemenak: they'll probably all flood in at once and there will be 50 CIA messages on here ;) (jk, I hope) |
| 21:19.18 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 21:21.43 | donny_baker | tupone_laptop: I liked the black boxes ;) |
| 21:21.59 | tupone_laptop | hehe |
| 21:22.56 | tupone_laptop | I think the tank should be bigger than the one I draw, but however, is better then the black boxes |
| 21:24.09 | donny_baker | its a start |
| 21:28.29 | Jo-W | Wollt ihr das bett in flammen sehen? |
| 21:29.22 | SportChick | Jo-W: sprechst du Englisch? |
| 21:29.39 | Jo-W | sure |
| 21:29.42 | tupone_laptop | ~x de en Wollt ihr das bett in flammen sehen? |
| 21:29.50 | SportChick | most people on this channel don't speak german, Jo-W |
| 21:30.07 | SportChick | at least, many don't |
| 21:30.26 | Jo-W | ok |
| 21:31.05 | Jo-W | thats a horrible translation btw :p |
| 21:31.25 | blast007 | ~lart Babbel Fish |
| 21:31.45 | ts | tupone_laptop: Completly wrong translation. |
| 21:31.53 | blast007 | Babel* |
| 21:32.00 | tupone_laptop | :) |
| 21:32.42 | ts | tupone_laptop: Correct would be "Are you (plural) wanting to see the bed burning?" |
| 21:33.40 | tupone_laptop | well I translated that myself, but I don't understand the meaning either |
| 21:35.58 | lodxcol | ~bz-cvs |
| 21:36.08 | lodxcol | ~bzcvs |
| 21:36.09 | ibot | [bzcvs] http://my.bzflag.org/wiki/index.php/BZFlag_CVS, or cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P bzflag |
| 21:36.21 | lodxcol | ty |
| 21:36.50 | tupone_laptop | ~tupone |
| 21:36.51 | ibot | from memory, tupone is the fellow who put SDL in BZFlag! how can you not know him! |
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| 21:37.04 | ts | tupone_laptop: English -> German is a science. German -> English is trivial |
| 21:37.26 | tupone_laptop | well, I completely agree |
| 21:37.51 | tupone_laptop | except the trivial things ... maybe for you |
| 21:38.10 | ts | The first thing leads to people not translating essential parts of sentences etc |
| 21:38.24 | ts | like in the soc flyer :// |
| 21:39.58 | ts | tupone_laptop: Is pretty easy: "du, sie, ihr" -> you, "der, die, das" -> the and so on |
| 21:41.37 | Jo-W | der das die dem des, blah |
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| 21:55.09 | lodxcol | I get a ton of errors in BitmatFont.cxx when I make the v2_0 CVS |
| 21:55.58 | tupone_laptop | what OS? |
| 21:56.02 | lodxcol | OS X |
| 21:56.14 | tupone_laptop | ~bzpastebin |
| 21:56.17 | ibot | well, bzpastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel, and it archives too. - try http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/ |
| 21:56.52 | blast007 | lodxcol: fresh checkout, or an update? |
| 21:56.56 | lodxcol | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/399259 |
| 21:56.59 | lodxcol | fresh checkout |
| 21:57.13 | tupone_laptop | lol |
| 21:57.18 | tupone_laptop | that is not 2.0 cvs |
| 21:57.20 | blast007 | you're using Crystal Space, for one |
| 21:57.25 | lodxcol | uhh |
| 21:57.39 | blast007 | you want v2_0branch |
| 21:57.45 | lodxcol | and that's what I typed |
| 21:57.46 | tupone_laptop | ~bz20-cvs |
| 21:58.00 | lodxcol | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P -r v2_0_cs_branch bzflag |
| 21:58.06 | lodxcol | that isn't correct? |
| 21:58.10 | tupone_laptop | nope |
| 21:58.10 | blast007 | no |
| 21:58.15 | blast007 | not v2_0_cs_branch |
| 21:58.19 | DTRemenak | >cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P -r v2_0_branch bzflag |
| 21:58.20 | blast007 | v2_0branch |
| 21:58.24 | lodxcol | oh, ok |
| 21:58.33 | blast007 | er |
| 21:58.40 | lodxcol | what's the cs part? |
| 21:58.42 | DTRemenak | or maybe without the other _ |
| 21:58.53 | brad | ~bz20cvs |
| 21:58.54 | ibot | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P -r v2_0branch bzflag |
| 21:59.11 | blast007 | lodxcol: the CS part is Crystal Space |
| 21:59.18 | lodxcol | oh... |
| 21:59.20 | blast007 | it's an experimental branch that uses that |
| 21:59.28 | tupone_laptop | cs part forget it |
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| 22:16.28 | bz79 | ello |
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| 22:17.24 | The | ello |
| 22:17.41 | The | ya nowones here |
| 22:18.12 | Bz_Win | Yes, no one is here |
| 22:21.37 | Bz_Win | a bzbb admin: I think you need to put a "before asking for cool objects read this" post in help map making and general map discussion |
| 22:23.47 | donny_baker | maybe you should write a beginners guide to map making for the wiki :) |
| 22:23.57 | donny_baker | hint.. nint |
| 22:24.17 | Bz_Win | k |
| 22:25.41 | donny_baker | look at this to http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlagWiki:Be_bold |
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| 23:22.28 | KTL | soon the whole internet will have the wikipedia look :D |
| 23:23.08 | blast007 | it is only a matter of time.... |
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| 23:28.18 | Punkus | hi everybody |
| 23:28.24 | blast007 | Bz_Win: it is all part of my evil plan! |
| 23:28.42 | blast007 | welcome to my secret lair, Punkus! |
| 23:28.43 | Punkus | I'm having trouble getting bzflag to start using ubuntu edgy |
| 23:28.48 | Punkus | blast007: lol |
| 23:28.50 | blast007 | hmm |
| 23:28.56 | blast007 | what kind of trouble? |
| 23:28.59 | Punkus | 6 line paste? |
| 23:29.03 | Punkus | X error |
| 23:29.10 | Punkus | X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) |
| 23:29.25 | blast007 | from a terminal, run bzflag -window |
| 23:29.30 | Punkus | I installed using apt-get |
| 23:29.31 | CBG | I can see what you're problem is already: ubuntu. |
| 23:29.35 | Punkus | lol |
| 23:29.37 | blast007 | CBG: shush |
| 23:29.44 | blast007 | Punkus: it's having trouble with resolution |
| 23:29.48 | Punkus | oh |
| 23:29.59 | blast007 | if you run it in a window, you can then pick the correct full screen resoltion |
| 23:30.09 | Punkus | lol my current resolution is 1280x1024 XD |
| 23:30.17 | blast007 | mine too |
| 23:30.27 | blast007 | and SSH looks great ;) |
| 23:30.39 | CBG | 1680*1050 |
| 23:30.50 | Bz_Win | me and CBG are rez partners :p |
| 23:31.12 | Punkus | hehe |
| 23:31.44 | Punkus | I set res to 1024x768 |
| 23:31.47 | Punkus | in window mode |
| 23:31.51 | Punkus | and saved settings |
| 23:32.01 | Punkus | now if I just run bzflag it crashes again |
| 23:32.15 | quantumdot | cbg: ubuntu works really good for me |
| 23:33.12 | CBG | I was just teasing, qd. |
| 23:33.12 | Punkus | if can run bzflag in window mode, change the res, and whalaa - fullscreen |
| 23:33.12 | Punkus | save settings |
| 23:33.12 | Punkus | quit |
| 23:33.12 | Punkus | start |
| 23:33.12 | Punkus | BAMN |
| 23:33.12 | Punkus | :-/ |
| 23:33.14 | quantumdot | Punkus: graphics? nvidia? |
| 23:33.30 | Punkus | I can run perfectly in window mode |
| 23:33.36 | Punkus | I have nvidia |
| 23:33.55 | quantumdot | and are all the glx applications running ok? |
| 23:34.01 | Punkus | yes |
| 23:34.03 | quantumdot | like games |
| 23:34.05 | quantumdot | aha |
| 23:34.11 | blast007 | quantumdot: it's actually a rather common issue |
| 23:34.14 | Punkus | I am able to run Quake3 and Enemy Territory no problem |
| 23:34.20 | quantumdot | ok ok |
| 23:34.20 | blast007 | not even sure it's related to nVidia vs ATI |
| 23:34.35 | L4m3r | Punkus: I've had that problem |
| 23:34.41 | Punkus | ok |
| 23:34.50 | Punkus | I've actually had it for ages |
| 23:34.54 | quantumdot | blast007: some people are having troubles installing nvidia on ubuntu, not that simple |
| 23:34.58 | Punkus | Havn't played bzflag for about a year |
| 23:35.02 | blast007 | quantumdot: ah |
| 23:35.09 | L4m3r | it's trying to use a resolution that X does not support |
| 23:35.11 | ep | nvidia/ubuntu I'm having resoluttion problems too. Started today. Can only run in windowed mode. Wiping out .bzf and rebuilding 2.08 did not help. |
| 23:35.17 | Punkus | oh |
| 23:35.19 | Punkus | how can I fix? |
| 23:35.24 | quantumdot | nvidia does not delivers the source as far as i know |
| 23:35.26 | L4m3r | set it in your config |
| 23:35.48 | Punkus | gedit .bzf/2.0/config.cfg |
| 23:35.53 | quantumdot | Punkus: try to edit the config instead |
| 23:35.57 | Punkus | what am I looking for? |
| 23:36.04 | quantumdot | video settings |
| 23:36.16 | quantumdot | let me check, one sec |
| 23:36.36 | Punkus | I did a find for res |
| 23:36.45 | blast007 | set resolution |
| 23:36.57 | Punkus | set resolution 1024x768 ? |
| 23:37.05 | blast007 | well, not exactly |
| 23:37.09 | blast007 | what does it currently show? |
| 23:37.23 | Punkus | phrase not found |
| 23:37.24 | Punkus | XD |
| 23:37.27 | blast007 | heh |
| 23:37.30 | L4m3r | set resolution "1024x768 " |
| 23:37.38 | L4m3r | with quotes and 4 spaces |
| 23:37.41 | blast007 | k, wasn't sure on the spacing |
| 23:37.42 | L4m3r | that did it for me |
| 23:38.22 | blast007 | on Windows it does stuff like "1024x768 @60Hz 32 bits" |
| 23:38.45 | Punkus | Woooooooooooooooohooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 23:39.07 | Punkus | can play bzflag for the first time in almost a year -.- |
| 23:39.14 | Punkus | :P |
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| 23:40.30 | KTL | being slaughtered ? :) |
| 23:40.34 | quantumdot | as an example i have >set resolution "1440x900 @60Hz 32 bits" |
| 23:40.48 | quantumdot | just edit at your likeing |
| 23:40.55 | quantumdot | liking* |
| 23:41.37 | KTL | sounds like a laptop screen |
| 23:41.43 | quantumdot | Punkus: set resolution "1440x900 @60Hz 32 bits" |
| 23:41.47 | quantumdot | as an example |
| 23:42.00 | quantumdot | yes KTL, i am on a widescreen laptop |
| 23:42.06 | blast007 | quantumdot: is that not an SDL build then? |
| 23:42.33 | quantumdot | blast007: installed from current binary |
| 23:42.56 | blast007 | hmm, I was thinking that the SDL build don't specity the bit depth or the refresh rate in the config |
| 23:43.03 | quantumdot | on winXP laptop |
| 23:43.07 | blast007 | oh |
| 23:43.10 | blast007 | then no, not SDL |
| 23:43.18 | quantumdot | :) |
| 23:44.07 | quantumdot | i promise this will be my last windows machine ever |
| 23:44.17 | quantumdot | i am not going to vista |
| 23:44.21 | Bz_Win | yay! |
| 23:44.33 | ep | hmm |
| 23:44.42 | quantumdot | i'm asked to have winXP at home for the family |
| 23:44.52 | Punkus | ALSA lib pcm_direct.c:224:(make_local_socket) connect failed: /tmp/alsa-dmix-6675-1174154086-316688: No such file or directory |
| 23:44.52 | Punkus | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:894:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to connect client |
| 23:44.52 | Punkus | Couldn't open audio: No available audio device |
| 23:44.54 | Punkus | eek |
| 23:45.08 | quantumdot | Punkus: by a sound card :P |
| 23:45.13 | Punkus | I have. |
| 23:45.19 | quantumdot | i was kidding |
| 23:45.19 | Punkus | Sound has word |
| 23:45.22 | quantumdot | geez |
| 23:45.25 | Punkus | worked |
| 23:45.27 | Punkus | lol |
| 23:45.28 | Punkus | ;p |
| 23:45.41 | Punkus | and sound doesn't work |
| 23:45.47 | Punkus | at all |
| 23:46.28 | Rawk | Bz_Win(doz) himself goes yay! |
| 23:47.42 | Constitution | How about league integration with the client as described here: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=9166&highlight=league for the Google Summer of Code? |
| 23:48.02 | *** join/#bzflag spldart (n=troublem@cpe-24-28-107-184.houston.res.rr.com) |
| 23:48.46 | Constitution | I might propose something like that, but I'm wondering what the reaction to the concept would be |
| 23:51.07 | blast007 | Constitution: that would probably be just a plugin |
| 23:51.19 | blast007 | there is no "official bzflag league" |
| 23:51.45 | Constitution | true, but there could be a league list (similar to the server list) where leagues could be managed, right? |
| 23:51.58 | blast007 | not all leagues use the same code |