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| 00:30.20 | Bz_Win | laters |
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| 00:40.31 | blast007 | hello bz34 |
| 01:11.48 | TheRedBaron | anyone run into troubles installing Fedora on a scsi drive? |
| 01:12.38 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Never tried it. What kind of troubles are you having? |
| 01:13.27 | TheRedBaron | other than I just get started on the install, and then it "freezes" although the mouse is still movable |
| 01:13.48 | TheRedBaron | can't even eject the cd |
| 01:14.14 | TheRedBaron | I"m using the anaconda GUI installer |
| 01:14.15 | blast007 | TheRedBaron: it's a vertical alignment problem |
| 01:14.32 | TheRedBaron | hrm? |
| 01:14.36 | blast007 | if the case is upright, lay it on it's side |
| 01:14.49 | TheRedBaron | *eyes |
| 01:14.52 | TheRedBaron | ~lart blast007 |
| 01:14.59 | blast007 | what PDA? |
| 01:15.03 | bryjen | linux normally locks the tray whilest a cd is in use. not like windows that'll let you rip a disk out from under it and the complain |
| 01:15.04 | blast007 | I have a PDA? sweet |
| 01:15.06 | TheRedBaron | ~windows blast007 |
| 01:15.10 | ibot | ACTION installs Windows ME on blast007's PC. |
| 01:15.13 | blast007 | nooo |
| 01:15.22 | blast007 | it will blue screen on the first boot like last time! |
| 01:16.16 | TheRedBaron | PuMpErNiCkLe: its stuck "installing specspo-12-1.noarch |
| 01:20.10 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Sounds like an installer bug, assuming you're hardware works properly. |
| 01:20.23 | PuMpErNiCkLe | s/you're/your/ |
| 01:20.36 | TheRedBaron | oi |
| 01:21.22 | blast007 | < hardware guy> it's a software problem < software guy> it's a hardware problem |
| 01:21.39 | PuMpErNiCkLe | <ubuntu guy> It's an rpm problem. |
| 01:21.47 | blast007 | PuMpErNiCkLe: but that would be true |
| 01:21.54 | blast007 | yum sucks |
| 01:22.07 | PuMpErNiCkLe | True. |
| 01:22.10 | a_meteorite | PuMpErNiCkLe: your joketh creepeth me |
| 01:22.30 | a_meteorite | rpm's on ubuntu does not sound ... |
| 01:23.00 | blast007 | a_meteorite: no, he was meaning an ubuntu person would blame RPMs for the reason that fedora sucks ;) |
| 01:23.09 | blast007 | "use .deb files!" |
| 01:23.11 | a_meteorite | that is why it sucks though |
| 01:23.13 | a_meteorite | :P |
| 01:23.17 | blast007 | right |
| 01:23.27 | blast007 | yum is part of the problem too |
| 01:23.33 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 01:23.37 | blast007 | a good portion of the time yum doesn't work right |
| 01:23.41 | blast007 | even from a clean install |
| 01:23.51 | blast007 | we gave up and installed Gentoo :P |
| 01:24.03 | TheRedBaron | watch all my linux help get involved in a civil war and kill each other off... then I"m left without help |
| 01:24.04 | a_meteorite | I remember killing a server with yum... |
| 01:24.29 | a_meteorite | it said I needed a certain glibc... installed it and killed everything |
| 01:25.42 | blast007 | a_meteorite: we were trying to update the packages, one that we needed for a specific lab, and it kept giving us a vague error |
| 01:25.42 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 01:25.50 | blast007 | "hand me the Gentoo disk..." |
| 01:26.36 | TheRedBaron | LVM? |
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| 02:01.06 | JeffM2501 | yay, almost done shopping :) |
| 02:02.02 | a_meteorite | shopping for computer stuff? |
| 02:02.07 | JeffM2501 | oh no no |
| 02:02.12 | JeffM2501 | birthdayness |
| 02:02.27 | a_meteorite | oh |
| 02:03.40 | JeffM2501 | I think all that's left is Victoria's secret |
| 02:04.04 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 02:04.10 | a_meteorite | your wife? |
| 02:04.26 | JeffM2501 | no, I'm not married |
| 02:04.53 | JeffM2501 | but my ladyfriend, yes |
| 02:05.08 | a_meteorite | ah |
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| 02:41.09 | Legolas_ | hi al |
| 02:41.12 | Legolas_ | hi all* |
| 02:42.11 | inchworm | hi Legolas_ |
| 02:44.24 | a_meteorite | Legolas_: you don't like Al? |
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| 03:01.58 | blast007 | hi Legolas_ |
| 03:03.19 | A-Delusion | hello legolas |
| 03:03.46 | A-Delusion | did you find that intel build? |
| 03:09.41 | Legolas_ | yes |
| 03:09.54 | Legolas_ | a-del, how do i rotate in wings, like as in blender |
| 03:10.21 | Legolas_ | i have a bunch selected, but it only rotates it where it is, not by the origin 0,0 |
| 03:10.39 | Legolas_ | or blast, if u know how. |
| 03:14.29 | brlcad | so, i'm scratching my brain without a copy of studio on hand to figure it out for myself .. but i'm at a friends house and had installed bzflag on their win98 machine |
| 03:15.12 | bryjen | friends don't let friends use win98 ;) |
| 03:15.14 | brlcad | bzflag is crashing like mad, locking up the machine hard after just a few seconds randomly with 2.0.9s9, in the menu, in the game, settings up, settings down |
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| 03:16.16 | brlcad | dropped down to 2.0.8 and it's not quite as fast, but still crash-happy after a few minutes, again even in menus without being joined (just scrolling left/right through options) and couple times in the game with separate settings |
| 03:16.59 | brlcad | checked the driver, nvidia 2 .. had latest driver installed (technically not the "latest", but the latest that didnt' report "I couldn't find an NVIDIA device") |
| 03:17.14 | brlcad | that was reinstalled regardless, no luck |
| 03:18.02 | menotume | ? what system ? |
| 03:18.10 | brlcad | did I miss checking something obvious? |
| 03:18.11 | menotume | _x64 ? |
| 03:18.25 | brlcad | nah, just a plain old pentium 2 or 3 |
| 03:18.37 | menotume | oh |
| 03:19.49 | menotume | did u build nv drive yerself ? or got one to match yer kernel ? |
| 03:20.09 | bryjen | menotume: windows 98 |
| 03:20.17 | menotume | silly me, sry |
| 03:20.42 | menotume | but ... brlcad COULDN'T be running win |
| 03:22.31 | JeffM2501 | try an older libcurl |
| 03:22.49 | menotume | lockup in menus ? |
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| 03:23.25 | Legolas_ | so, sry, did anyone answer my question when i was gone? |
| 03:23.50 | brlcad | menotume: i wasn't, was at a friends |
| 03:23.55 | menotume | hehe |
| 03:23.57 | brlcad | showing them bz (rather pitifully) |
| 03:24.01 | menotume | ahhh |
| 03:24.13 | menotume | well, win98, could be a lot of junk on it |
| 03:24.30 | brlcad | JeffM2501: i thought about that for explaining the lockups during the list server menu.. but even for during game play? |
| 03:24.41 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 03:24.49 | JeffM2501 | it's 98 or 98 SE? |
| 03:25.02 | brlcad | plain 98 |
| 03:25.06 | menotume | ohhhh |
| 03:25.07 | brlcad | iirc |
| 03:25.11 | brlcad | i dunno for sure |
| 03:25.20 | JeffM2501 | may not have current winsock 2 |
| 03:26.19 | brlcad | mind you, this guy is a MAJOR gaming dude .. he veritably had about 200 game CDs tossed around his computer room, and has played most of them on this machine |
| 03:26.33 | JeffM2501 | and he's on 98? |
| 03:26.38 | brlcad | hehe, yep |
| 03:26.40 | brlcad | die hard |
| 03:26.44 | brlcad | don't ask |
| 03:26.44 | menotume | wow |
| 03:26.46 | brlcad | i've tried |
| 03:27.00 | JeffM2501 | I build in VC 7.1, techincaly they desuported 98 in that one |
| 03:27.20 | menotume | win 98 tends to get pretty flakely over time |
| 03:27.29 | JeffM2501 | go back to 2.0, that was VC6 IIRC |
| 03:27.50 | brlcad | 2.0.8 came up and played well for several minutes before crashing.. couldn't keep 2.0.9s9 up for more than about a minute before it'd nose dive |
| 03:28.04 | brlcad | (from beta.bzflag.bz .. dunno what they were made for) |
| 03:28.12 | JeffM2501 | for whoever |
| 03:28.30 | JeffM2501 | well I can do a build for ya, but dunno if it'll help |
| 03:28.56 | brlcad | nah, not there anymore .. and if I tried again, I'd take studio with me |
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| 03:29.06 | brlcad | but just seemed odd |
| 03:29.09 | JeffM2501 | studio? |
| 03:29.15 | brlcad | cause his machine should be a pretty common config |
| 03:29.31 | brlcad | ms dev studio |
| 03:29.33 | JeffM2501 | I have heard of a couple 98ers with crashes |
| 03:29.34 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 03:29.35 | brlcad | vc7 |
| 03:30.10 | JeffM2501 | have DTRemenak build you a virtual machine with it :) |
| 03:30.55 | JeffM2501 | tecincaly I say we only support 2k and higher |
| 03:31.09 | JeffM2501 | IIRC there was a libcurl issue for 9x |
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| 03:32.00 | JeffM2501 | or maybe it was an ares issue |
| 03:32.31 | JeffM2501 | it had to do with the winsock stuff |
| 03:34.12 | brlcad | hmmm |
| 03:34.27 | brlcad | mkay, something to try |
| 03:36.10 | JeffM2501 | I can say it's only going to get worse when we move to VC8 builds. |
| 03:41.06 | DTRemenak | vc7 still supported 98 as a target, just not a build environment |
| 03:42.01 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 03:42.13 | DTRemenak | iirc it was libcurl that was giving us problems on 98 |
| 03:42.21 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.8 may even have some optimisations on |
| 03:42.38 | JeffM2501 | I can't remember if that was a 95 or 98 issue with libcurl |
| 03:42.44 | DTRemenak | you may want to try one of my libcurl builds |
| 03:43.03 | DTRemenak | the reason I started was to make it work on my 98 install |
| 03:43.15 | JeffM2501 | but then sanity overcame you ;) |
| 03:43.40 | DTRemenak | so if you can find one of the 2.0 builds that I did, you should be able to snarf the libcurl from it. 2.0.4 was me iirc. |
| 03:44.02 | DTRemenak | whichever one we released while JeffM2501 was not a member of the project ;) |
| 03:44.21 | JeffM2501 | then ether 4 or 2 |
| 03:44.33 | JeffM2501 | I bailed on 2.0.0 IIRC |
| 03:44.41 | JeffM2501 | as it was an issue with global login |
| 03:44.46 | DTRemenak | might have been .2 then |
| 03:44.50 | JeffM2501 | so whatever that was added in |
| 03:45.16 | DTRemenak | it was after global login support, you agreed to a compromise for a while iirc |
| 03:45.18 | brlcad | hmm.. so maybe just have him drop to 2.0.4 |
| 03:45.30 | DTRemenak | yeah, somewhere back there should be a good build |
| 03:45.37 | JeffM2501 | or maybe even just the curlDLL |
| 03:45.53 | brlcad | by the way, I did like the windows installer, nifty/pretty |
| 03:45.56 | JeffM2501 | I don't think we use any of the advanced api calls to it |
| 03:46.04 | JeffM2501 | yeah NSIS is sweet |
| 03:46.06 | brlcad | not as classy as drag, drop, run .. but pretty ;) |
| 03:46.07 | DTRemenak | or I could try building a new copy on my old setup, see if that helps |
| 03:46.10 | JeffM2501 | blast did the last one |
| 03:46.22 | DTRemenak | still have my system disk with 98/2k dual around here somewhere |
| 03:46.59 | DTRemenak | yeah, the new installer is very professional looking |
| 03:47.03 | DTRemenak | ~blast007++ |
| 03:47.14 | brlcad | quite |
| 03:47.32 | brlcad | actually is a great goal that I'll strive for with future cad |
| 03:47.57 | JeffM2501 | nsis is cake to use |
| 03:47.59 | JeffM2501 | and free |
| 03:48.01 | DTRemenak | how's the windows side of things going with that? |
| 03:48.19 | DTRemenak | I'm not joined to your irc channel anymore, haven't been watching closely :) |
| 03:48.38 | JeffM2501 | I tried to install and run it last night |
| 03:49.05 | brlcad | the windows side hasn't changed in over a year binary-wise |
| 03:49.13 | brlcad | and it's pretty crappy |
| 03:49.45 | DTRemenak | pft, binaries are for losers anyway |
| 03:49.53 | DTRemenak | oh wait, this is windows we're talking about... :) |
| 03:50.37 | brlcad | i don't deal with the windows side (surprise?) and it certainly receives secondary attention at the moment until some more fundamental issues are taken care of |
| 03:51.35 | JeffM2501 | does the mac side at least startup more friendly? |
| 03:53.49 | JeffM2501 | tho looks like it's even older |
| 03:54.53 | brlcad | the Mac side is still dependent upon X11, but is otherwise considerably more functional |
| 03:57.42 | brlcad | not necessarily any more "user friendly" .. it still requires going through tutorials just to figure out the basics, but it works and includes all command binaries (whereas the windows one only inlcludes about 40 or so (out of 400)) |
| 03:58.40 | brlcad | mged is the pita though that gives the wrong/bad first impression -- that's what we're working on replacing with a shiney new gui interface that is more familiar |
| 04:02.18 | DTRemenak | and your docs were pretty good |
| 04:06.00 | brlcad | heh, as far as "open source docs" go, we're way above par..especially given the material :) ... but the gui is still "non-conventional" |
| 04:06.25 | brlcad | it has it's benefits and familiarities if you're comfortable with the keyboard.. but a solidworks it is not |
| 04:09.17 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 04:09.53 | DTRemenak | I meant "pretty good" as an overall scale...most open source apps rate between "abysmal" and "terrible" :) |
| 04:10.10 | brlcad | yep |
| 04:10.50 | brlcad | and even still, lacking in many ways |
| 04:10.56 | DTRemenak | and yeah, your ui is a bit unusual, but that's never stopped me :) |
| 04:11.03 | brlcad | lots of expert knowledge and training expected |
| 04:11.25 | DTRemenak | yeah, there were a couple places I had to go look things up to find out what your docs were *saying* :) |
| 04:11.39 | brlcad | heh |
| 04:12.26 | DTRemenak | I just racked it up as general CAD inexperience though |
| 04:12.35 | SportChick | ~dye brlcad |
| 04:12.37 | ibot | ACTION dyes brlcad's hair green and dips brlcad in a bucket of tie dye |
| 04:12.57 | DTRemenak | hmmm...dipping in tie-dye without first tying him in knots? :) |
| 04:13.08 | SportChick | hehe |
| 04:13.33 | brlcad | hmm.. i haven't dyed my hair in a couple years.. |
| 04:13.50 | brlcad | no sure I would be comfortable with green though |
| 04:14.10 | DTRemenak | if I had to try an unusual color, I think I'd go for green |
| 04:14.14 | brlcad | a bit too algae growthish chi-chi-chi-chiapetish |
| 04:14.46 | brlcad | i could try shaved bald for a while.. that might be interesting |
| 04:15.09 | brlcad | that low maintenance would be sweet |
| 04:15.27 | DTRemenak | low maintenance...until you get a sunburn :P |
| 04:15.51 | brlcad | i'd have to shave and hit up a tanning salon for a few days.. pale whiteness shaved isn't a good thing either |
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| 04:22.32 | SportChick | ~dye DTRemenak |
| 04:22.34 | ibot | ACTION dyes DTRemenak's hair purple and dips DTRemenak in a bucket of tie dye |
| 04:22.48 | DTRemenak | hmmm...purple is not at the top of my list :) |
| 04:23.23 | SportChick | you two aren't very fun :p |
| 04:33.05 | brlcad | ~shave SportChick |
| 04:33.11 | ibot | ACTION grabs the razor & shaving cream & chases SportChick until he sees TheRedBaron... then grabs TheRedbaron & dry shaves TheRedBaron from head to toe! |
| 04:33.22 | brlcad | heh |
| 04:33.40 | SportChick | :D |
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| 04:48.03 | smacnay | Hi, I am finding that bzflag will not start, will thrash my mem, and report that it cannot find a key to enter the game... |
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| 04:53.50 | brlcad | smacnay: wicked.. |
| 04:55.03 | JeffM2501 | a key? |
| 04:55.38 | blast007 | probably means the token |
| 04:55.43 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 04:55.50 | blast007 | not sure though |
| 04:55.54 | blast007 | either that or the key to spawn |
| 04:56.33 | blast007 | smacnay: what operating system is that, and what version of the game are you running? |
| 04:59.03 | menotume | and, how does mem thrash ? |
| 05:01.01 | brlcad | i think there is a check to make sure there's a key mapped to identify |
| 05:01.17 | brlcad | so if he has a busted config, it errors with some message like that |
| 05:01.30 | SportChick | ~dye menotume |
| 05:01.44 | ibot | ACTION dyes menotume's hair red and dips menotume in a bucket of ice water |
| 05:01.45 | brlcad | wow, and when I wrote that, I thought.. jeez, this should never happen.. but might as well check |
| 05:01.51 | blast007 | :) |
| 05:01.52 | smacnay | blast007: linux - debian - kernel 2.6.18 - game version is 2.08 |
| 05:02.23 | blast007 | smacnay: okay, and what exactly is meant by the key? is this after you are joined into a server? |
| 05:03.57 | blast007 | the spawn key might not be properly mapped |
| 05:04.02 | smacnay | blast007: no, my os doen't see a keyboard map. |
| 05:04.35 | JeffM2501 | he means in our config file |
| 05:04.45 | JeffM2501 | we have a maping from keys to events |
| 05:04.52 | brlcad | smacnay: did you upgrade or install fresh? |
| 05:05.19 | brlcad | is there a ~/.bzf* ? |
| 05:09.14 | smacnay | this seems to be an issue with linux and not bzflag |
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| 10:01.50 | KTL | euhm .... got a question to solve urgent :D |
| 10:01.56 | KTL | I got a course computer graphics |
| 10:02.03 | KTL | and the project work is one of 2 choices |
| 10:02.10 | KTL | or I make a rasterizer |
| 10:02.15 | KTL | or I make a raytracer |
| 10:02.43 | KTL | can't choose |
| 10:03.02 | KTL | but have to start :D |
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| 10:41.33 | ruskie | KTL, flip a coin? or look at some raytracers and some rasterizers and then consider about it |
| 10:42.00 | KTL | mmm i should read the book at once now mmm |
| 10:42.09 | KTL | he gaves a sdl example file |
| 10:42.12 | KTL | gave |
| 10:42.32 | KTL | first time i see such a file, got the dtd describing it's structure |
| 10:42.57 | KTL | with what should i parse it to begin with |
| 10:43.18 | ruskie | erm? |
| 10:43.22 | KTL | in java with a parser from the java lib, but i want to go c++ |
| 10:43.39 | KTL | yes i also don't know what to do with it :) |
| 10:44.24 | KTL | (it describes the scene) |
| 10:44.56 | ruskie | hmm I know of one raytracer that uses xml as description language |
| 10:45.28 | KTL | still, i never parsed xml in a right way |
| 10:45.36 | KTL | what libs should i use in c++ |
| 10:45.41 | ruskie | you have libxml++ |
| 10:45.55 | KTL | ok, installed it allready |
| 10:45.57 | ruskie | http://sourceforge.net/projects/libxmlplusplus |
| 10:46.12 | KTL | debian |
| 10:46.17 | KTL | apt-get :) |
| 10:46.23 | ruskie | sourcemage |
| 10:46.25 | ruskie | cast |
| 10:46.26 | ruskie | :) |
| 10:46.45 | KTL | *sniffel* |
| 11:10.06 | KTL | lots of compile problems for #include <libxml++/libxml++.h>, even after includes 4 header locations |
| 11:10.11 | KTL | including* |
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| 12:04.50 | SportChick | someone may want to update this to show you've BEEN accepted: http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code |
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| 12:29.11 | KTL | anyone an idea about what else to do: /usr/include/glib-2.0/glib/gunicode.h:164: error: 'gsize' has not been declared |
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| 14:28.32 | Bz_Win | Does anyone know why my router would be causing crazy lag (6000ms) only when I try to join the server? |
| 14:28.48 | Bz_Win | Players on another IP can play fine with low lag. |
| 14:31.40 | blast007 | which server? |
| 14:32.07 | Bz_Win | its not up now... I took it down about a week ago |
| 14:32.34 | blast007 | so a local one then inside the same network? |
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| 15:06.49 | Chestal | someone care to test a client patch for 2.0.9 which lets you define favorite servers in the server list? |
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| 15:18.59 | Chestal | menotume: http://www.home.unix-ag.org/thilo/files/favorites.patch |
| 15:19.15 | Chestal | it looks longer than it actually is, i.e. some changes are just whitespace etc. |
| 15:21.00 | menotume | ok, i'll give her a try in a bit |
| 15:21.17 | menotume | actually, it looks about as long as it is |
| 15:21.21 | menotume | :P |
| 15:21.42 | Chestal | it needs some finetuning at least, not self-explanatory which keys you have to press |
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| 15:23.16 | Chestal | the server list code is more complex in the details than I'd like which made id somewhat complicated to make it not _too_ hackish :-) |
| 15:23.26 | Chestal | noo, not the secret key! |
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| 15:56.44 | brlcad | SportChick: it's a wiki .. YOU have the power to fix it! :-) |
| 15:57.01 | brlcad | just hit the edit tab :) |
| 15:57.53 | Chestal | we could put our code in a wiki, too ;-) |
| 15:57.54 | SportChick | brlcad: I didn't have an account, but already made one and fixed it |
| 15:58.03 | SportChick | brlcad: about 4-5 hours ago :) |
| 15:58.41 | brlcad | ~SportChick++ |
| 15:59.05 | SportChick | heh |
| 15:59.10 | brlcad | only a few pages (like that front one) are restricted to registered users |
| 15:59.18 | SportChick | brlcad: ah |
| 15:59.27 | brlcad | just because of their visibility and to avoid abuse |
| 15:59.35 | brlcad | most allow anyone to edit |
| 15:59.38 | SportChick | brlcad: well I would have done it sooner, but it was 4AM and I wasn't thinking clearly :) |
| 15:59.54 | SportChick | brlcad: was thinking for some reason it was connected to the wikipedia wiki |
| 16:00.29 | brlcad | the wikipedia wiki also allows anonymous edit :P |
| 16:00.47 | SportChick | brlcad: not all pages |
| 16:01.34 | brlcad | only 99.9% of them |
| 16:05.39 | SportChick | heh |
| 16:13.51 | Erroneous | around 3500 protected pages, with just under 1.7 million articles...so 99.8% :P |
| 16:14.02 | brlcad | heh |
| 16:14.09 | brlcad | touché |
| 16:15.15 | ts | uso: I never said spam protection would be good :p |
| 16:15.51 | SportChick | ~erroneous++ |
| 16:16.17 | Erroneous | what's that for?! |
| 16:16.18 | SportChick | :x |
| 16:16.25 | SportChick | ancient chinese secret :) |
| 16:17.24 | Erroneous | ... ok |
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| 17:05.41 | brlcad | hmm.. someone (tm) should update the news on the website |
| 17:06.24 | JeffM2501 | your engrish is bettter then mine |
| 17:10.30 | brlcad | i'll add it if nobody else does, but this flyer's gonna take me another hour at least |
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| 17:11.11 | brlcad | (and wasn't suggesting you) :) |
| 17:11.49 | JeffM2501 | I'm just sayin ;) |
| 17:12.53 | brlcad | or maybe SportChick could write up the announcement.. or menotume or ... hmm :) |
| 17:13.09 | JeffM2501 | they don't have logins to they? |
| 17:13.27 | brlcad | dtr could still post it ;) |
| 17:13.34 | brlcad | meno does though iirc |
| 17:13.42 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 17:13.48 | L4m3r | what announcement? |
| 17:13.52 | brlcad | still, just writing it well enough, with a link or two |
| 17:13.56 | JeffM2501 | oh oh oh,, TIM could do it ;) |
| 17:14.00 | brlcad | heh |
| 17:14.08 | Erroneous | no, meno does not have access, looks like |
| 17:14.14 | Erroneous | neither did I, for that matter |
| 17:14.18 | brlcad | could use another news announcement for the wiki |
| 17:14.23 | brlcad | heh |
| 17:14.33 | JeffM2501 | and seriously, purple_cow is getin into the mentor game? right on. |
| 17:14.35 | brlcad | anyone with db access can "fix that" lil problem :) |
| 17:14.39 | Erroneous | :) |
| 17:16.13 | JeffM2501 | damn. those irrlicht bastards never answered my question |
| 17:17.27 | SportChick | hrm? |
| 17:17.50 | JeffM2501 | I think it just dumps it in |
| 17:17.51 | JeffM2501 | so yeah |
| 17:19.28 | brlcad | SportChick: care to write up a news announcement for 1) the addition of the new wiki and 2) bzflag's involvement in GSoC? |
| 17:19.43 | brlcad | s/and/and\/or/ |
| 17:20.00 | brlcad | you do well with pr matters ;) |
| 17:20.04 | JeffM2501 | we could/should also change the links on the left to point to the new wiki. |
| 17:20.39 | SportChick | brlcad: can it wait until after pt? |
| 17:21.06 | SportChick | if so & someone emails me the relevant info, sure |
| 17:21.19 | brlcad | i don't think there's a rush |
| 17:21.24 | SportChick | k |
| 17:21.32 | brlcad | it'll be a while before I finish this announcement flyer |
| 17:21.38 | SportChick | ok |
| 17:22.11 | SportChick | when you are done, email it to me & I'll pull the info from there |
| 17:22.47 | brlcad | you shouldn't need the flyer |
| 17:22.53 | brlcad | that gets put elsewhere |
| 17:23.34 | brlcad | the info is just a brief well-worded paragraph write-up of how BZFlag will be participating in GSoC |
| 17:23.56 | brlcad | linking to our ideas wiki page, and pointing people to the irc channel for more information |
| 17:24.03 | SportChick | what are you annnouncing w/ regard to GSoC? sumbission guidelnes or just your participation? |
| 17:24.09 | SportChick | ok |
| 17:24.12 | brlcad | participation |
| 17:24.25 | brlcad | submission guidelines show go on the wiki page |
| 17:24.33 | SportChick | should be fairly easy then |
| 17:24.42 | SportChick | I'll do it after pt |
| 17:25.05 | JeffM2501 | "The BZFlag project is please to announce it's participation in the google summer of code. We welcome all applicants to view the list of ideas or come up with there own. We look forward to working with you. Best of luck." |
| 17:25.33 | SportChick | 3 typos |
| 17:25.37 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 17:25.37 | Erroneous | The BZFlag team is pleased to announce that BZFlag has been chosen as a <a href="http://code.google.com/soc/">Google Summer of Code</a> mentoring organization. Google's Summer of Code program offers students currently enrolled in higher education monetary stipends to work on open-source projects. Interested students should check out BZFlag's <a href="http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code" |
| 17:25.38 | Erroneous | >Summer of Code suggestions</a> on the new <a href="http://my.bzflag.org/w/Main_Page">BZFlag Wiki</a>, and are welcome to discuss additional proposals on BZFlag's IRC channel, <a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/#bzflag">#bzflag on freenode.net</a>. |
| 17:25.48 | JeffM2501 | what he said ;) |
| 17:25.56 | Erroneous | sound ok? |
| 17:26.14 | JeffM2501 | you may want to change the wording on monetary stipends |
| 17:26.48 | blast007 | or just "$$$$" |
| 17:26.54 | Erroneous | heh |
| 17:27.06 | JeffM2501 | financial incentives |
| 17:27.17 | JeffM2501 | or just payment |
| 17:27.45 | brlcad | could even mention the actual $$ amounts |
| 17:29.05 | brlcad | Erroneous: heh, sounds good |
| 17:29.05 | blast007 | "one MILLION dollars!" |
| 17:32.31 | Erroneous | hehe, but $3 million sounds so much better :) |
| 17:33.26 | JeffM2501 | what we gonna do with our 0.5k? |
| 17:34.13 | JeffM2501 | well that is more logical |
| 17:34.53 | JeffM2501 | if somone makes a new global login system that has more then one host, we could use it to get that setup |
| 17:35.02 | JeffM2501 | or help cover that cost |
| 17:36.02 | Erroneous | most of the load will still be on m.b.o, unless we're thinking of distributing additional services |
| 17:36.26 | JeffM2501 | your most likely correct |
| 17:36.43 | JeffM2501 | and I'm thinking the first "backup" for mbo would be brlcad's german server |
| 17:36.49 | blast007 | would lighttpd be a logical direction to reduce load? |
| 17:36.52 | JeffM2501 | so going to him is good for both cases. |
| 17:37.26 | blast007 | apache is a resource hog, though mod_security is a plus |
| 17:37.45 | JeffM2501 | feature bounty would be good |
| 17:37.47 | brlcad | JeffM2501: and we have access to a second host now :) |
| 17:37.57 | JeffM2501 | yeah I saw, you said it was online |
| 17:38.04 | brlcad | i got the login details just a couple days ago |
| 17:38.06 | JeffM2501 | that's why I figured it'd be the first one if we had a distributed system |
| 17:38.16 | brlcad | have to do some setup and replicate accounts new |
| 17:38.19 | brlcad | s/new/next/ |
| 17:38.20 | JeffM2501 | and it makes sense with all our european users. |
| 17:38.24 | Erroneous | secondary login host requirements are pretty minimal, they'd just need to be trusted and have enough capacity to take the load if m.b.o failed completely |
| 17:38.53 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, I mean that since brlcad owns the other, it'd be the logical choice for testing and setup of whatever new system |
| 17:38.59 | Erroneous | yeah, true |
| 17:39.07 | brlcad | yeah, it would be good to publish the list of list servers and have the client and server keep track of which is closest to try first |
| 17:39.07 | JeffM2501 | so it'd be the first just by that matter :) |
| 17:39.49 | brlcad | perform an initial ping or something on app startup |
| 17:41.41 | Erroneous | brlcad: might want some form of weighting too...there may be some hosts which can take heavy loads if necessary, but would prefer not to |
| 17:43.16 | brlcad | hmm, would we really want that many replicated list servers to the point that we can't require certain characteristics? |
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| 17:43.51 | brlcad | i was thinking it's more management ala irc primaries, you're manually added to the network via configuration |
| 17:43.54 | Erroneous | dunno...depends how many we need, where they are, and what the requirements are |
| 17:45.53 | JeffM2501 | I'd think 3 or 4 would be plenty |
| 17:45.54 | Erroneous | for our present needs, maybe two would be enough |
| 17:52.50 | tupone_laptop | http://www.arcanoria.com/CS-Ogre.php |
| 17:53.54 | brlcad | tupone_laptop: interesting read, thanks |
| 17:54.02 | tupone_laptop | :) |
| 17:54.52 | JeffM2501 | I thought CS could use direct X? |
| 17:55.16 | tupone_laptop | it seems not. I said it, but I was wrong |
| 17:55.30 | JeffM2501 | maybe they are workingon it for the future |
| 17:56.36 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03atupone 07v2_0_cs_branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ControlPanel.cxx: Unused variable |
| 18:04.19 | LongDon | brlcad: do you think i can get a mysql dump in order to try out migration to ldap? |
| 18:06.08 | blast007 | LongDon: how far have you getten with the LDAP stuff? |
| 18:06.12 | blast007 | gotten* |
| 18:06.46 | brlcad | LongDon: talk to blast007 or menotume :) |
| 18:06.53 | LongDon | phpbb3, mediawiki and drupal work well with ldap |
| 18:07.12 | blast007 | yeah, mediawiki was a snap |
| 18:07.13 | brlcad | LongDon: with drupal.. when you create a new account, does it add it to ldap? |
| 18:07.19 | LongDon | no |
| 18:07.29 | brlcad | do *any* of them add to ldap? |
| 18:08.03 | LongDon | no :) |
| 18:08.08 | blast007 | heh |
| 18:08.14 | brlcad | sounds like we'll have to write a drupal authentication module that does the right mapping |
| 18:08.30 | LongDon | With drupal it is only possible to change some data like surname, firstname, email and signature |
| 18:09.02 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03atupone 07v2_0_cs_branch * 10bzflag/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 18:09.02 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: Making world more walktest friendly: |
| 18:09.02 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: ChDir on data/ is done, so no need to specify a path anymore in the world |
| 18:09.03 | LongDon | But the login must be created with another tool |
| 18:09.49 | Erroneous | primary method of account creation should be in-game imho |
| 18:10.08 | brlcad | that should be workable, with a drupal module that talks to bzauthd like the client, allows account creation |
| 18:10.20 | brlcad | and makes it all work through just 1 interface (bzauthd) |
| 18:10.43 | LongDon | You want to write bzauthd in c++? Or is perl ok too? |
| 18:10.59 | brlcad | heh, in c++ |
| 18:11.07 | LongDon | any reason why? |
| 18:11.20 | brlcad | we've already had quite a bit of fun down the various scripting routes |
| 18:12.01 | LongDon | If perl were choosen i could help |
| 18:12.10 | Erroneous | LongDon: the biggest reason is maintainability. We have scads of c++ programmers, and only a few who know perl. |
| 18:12.24 | brlcad | mainly because there aren't enough people involved to sustain maintenance and development in perl/php |
| 18:12.59 | brlcad | even with php, we had loads of folks capable, but nobody "wanted" to mess with it |
| 18:13.00 | blast007 | I only know enough Perl to ask where the bathroom is and to buy a beer |
| 18:13.06 | LongDon | But all those c++ programmers work on bzflag, bzfs and bzadmin, right? |
| 18:13.12 | LongDon | hehe |
| 18:13.49 | Erroneous | LongDon: if I add something to the comm between the list server and bzflag, right now I have *no way* to test it, since I loathe and will not touch php |
| 18:14.05 | blast007 | Erroneous: awww :( |
| 18:14.10 | brlcad | i appreciate perl for a lot of things, but it would fix a lot of our maintenance woes to keep the languages all the same, same dev tools, etc |
| 18:14.12 | blast007 | php still loves you though! |
| 18:14.27 | Erroneous | so I have to either a) break HEAD until someone fixes the list server, or b) beg blast007 to add functionality to the list server |
| 18:14.28 | brlcad | hehe |
| 18:14.34 | blast007 | ;) |
| 18:14.41 | LongDon | Erroneous: I can help with php then ;) |
| 18:14.55 | blast007 | Erroneous: and actually, I'm deathly afraid of the bzfls.php file |
| 18:15.05 | Erroneous | yeah, that doesn't help, blast007 :P |
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| 18:16.17 | ts | bzfls is ugly.. |
| 18:16.26 | LongDon | but used. |
| 18:16.46 | brlcad | which is what we're trying to fix :) |
| 18:17.19 | Erroneous | LongDon: from a technical POV, I'll concede the perl is probably better for what we need it to do (mostly string manipulation). from a project POV, having the list server in a language other than c, c++, or maybe python, will inhibit growth and innovation. |
| 18:17.57 | LongDon | i agree |
| 18:22.12 | LongDon | Then i only can help setting up servers and do the replication stuff. |
| 18:22.19 | LongDon | which will take some time until we start. Right? |
| 18:23.05 | brlcad | i wouldn't say "only" .. that can be a massive help |
| 18:23.25 | brlcad | that stuff takes loads of time to setup/test/tweak/configure |
| 18:23.43 | Erroneous | LongDon: you're saying that right now the "next step" is to rewrite the list server? |
| 18:24.12 | LongDon | I dont know what you devs have planned ;) |
| 18:24.33 | Erroneous | planned? you must be new around here... ;) |
| 18:24.37 | blast007 | hehe |
| 18:24.39 | LongDon | i am :) |
| 18:24.47 | JeffM2501 | there is never a plan |
| 18:24.53 | LongDon | ah ok. |
| 18:24.57 | JeffM2501 | it is what ever you convince people to do :) |
| 18:25.31 | LongDon | so you have no raodmap or whatever? |
| 18:25.35 | JeffM2501 | oh god no |
| 18:25.36 | Erroneous | heh |
| 18:25.37 | Erroneous | nope |
| 18:25.37 | brlcad | in our heads |
| 18:25.39 | JeffM2501 | total seat of the pants |
| 18:25.42 | brlcad | at least in my head :) |
| 18:25.49 | Erroneous | some of us have a basic idea of where we want to go |
| 18:25.53 | Erroneous | brlcad is one of those |
| 18:26.07 | Erroneous | most of the rest of us are clueless :) |
| 18:26.34 | brlcad | now that we have a wiki, it wouldn't actually be such a waste of time to write some of these directions down too |
| 18:26.47 | Erroneous | if you'd like to (or brlcad'd like to) put together a plan, it'd be great |
| 18:26.55 | Erroneous | it's just a bit, um, unprecedented :) |
| 18:28.29 | Erroneous | and yeah, the wiki is a great tool for that |
| 18:28.56 | Erroneous | ~brlcad++ |
| 18:29.01 | Erroneous | ~longdon++ |
| 18:29.17 | LongDon | what does that mean? |
| 18:29.29 | LongDon | shall i grow? |
| 18:29.30 | Erroneous | the bot keeps a karma score |
| 18:29.33 | Erroneous | ~karma LongDon |
| 18:29.33 | ibot | longdon has karma of 6 |
| 18:29.42 | Erroneous | ~karma brlcad |
| 18:29.42 | ibot | brlcad has karma of 125 |
| 18:29.52 | Erroneous | ~karma TimRiker |
| 18:29.53 | ibot | timriker has karma of 17 |
| 18:29.53 | brlcad | it means do what he says, or he'll steal your mojo |
| 18:30.03 | LongDon | ;) |
| 18:30.11 | Erroneous | ++ increments it, -- decrements it |
| 18:30.12 | Guu | I don't know, Erroneous. |
| 18:30.16 | Erroneous | shuddup guu |
| 18:30.51 | Erroneous | so if someone likes something you're doing, he does ~longdon++ and it raises your karma :) |
| 18:31.08 | LongDon | great ;) |
| 18:31.32 | LongDon | Does the bot track you have me karma? |
| 18:32.24 | Erroneous | sorry, I don't seem to be able to parse that sentence :( |
| 18:32.59 | LongDon | s/you/who/ |
| 18:33.27 | LongDon | What i wanted to write is: Does the bot track who gave me karma? |
| 18:33.39 | Erroneous | no, just how much you have |
| 18:34.24 | Erroneous | so it's not a real networked karma system, just a tally |
| 18:35.01 | Erroneous | there was/is a proposal for an in-game trust-network style karma system |
| 18:35.39 | Erroneous | http://bzflag.org/wiki/KarmaSystem |
| 18:35.49 | ts | Erroneous: Hehe |
| 18:35.50 | Erroneous | supposedly the global auth server was the first step in that direction |
| 18:36.36 | ts | forget the karma system, I don't believe it will be implemented ;) |
| 18:37.25 | Erroneous | ts: if we have a less-scary list server, which is coincidentally not tied into the phpbb user tables, it might, you never know |
| 18:37.34 | ts | Even ibot's karma system is bad as you can't take over karma from one account to the next |
| 18:37.37 | JeffM2501 | comeon man, Tim is gonna bust that karma out anytime now |
| 18:37.49 | JeffM2501 | ts, ibot's karma is a toy |
| 18:38.08 | ts | Didn't say anything else |
| 18:38.15 | ts | ~karma toughshooter |
| 18:38.15 | ibot | toughshooter has karma of 20 |
| 18:38.18 | ts | ~karma ts |
| 18:38.19 | ibot | ts has karma of 6 |
| 18:38.20 | LongDon | I already about that KarmaSystem. Dont you think it can be abused? Or does a karma given by someone who has a high karma value worth more than others? |
| 18:38.23 | ts | see... |
| 18:38.31 | JeffM2501 | oh it can be |
| 18:38.38 | JeffM2501 | LongDon, basicly it's a timriker pipe dream |
| 18:38.44 | ts | Doesn't come to me and tim is not going to do it |
| 18:39.05 | JeffM2501 | it had some protection against it with trust, but if you spent enough time and got trusted you coudl subtle cause issues. |
| 18:39.29 | JeffM2501 | only the karma bumps of trusted people would count. |
| 18:39.45 | LongDon | then you have a problem with the start :) |
| 18:40.32 | Erroneous | LongDon: start is actually fairly easy. mark a set of community members as fully trusted, let them do start spreading the trust. |
| 18:40.43 | brlcad | share the love |
| 18:40.47 | LongDon | hehe |
| 18:40.47 | brlcad | ooh, love points |
| 18:40.51 | Erroneous | hehe |
| 18:42.02 | brlcad | in-game commands like /cupid valentine Erroneous |
| 18:42.13 | Erroneous | hehehe |
| 18:42.33 | brlcad | little hearts and teddy bears would show up on the other player's display |
| 18:43.23 | brlcad | that'd be sure to get bzflag some attention |
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| 18:51.41 | bz14 | hey how do you run a server on a port 443 |
| 18:52.21 | tupone_laptop | need to be root |
| 18:52.45 | brad | bz14: what OS? |
| 18:52.48 | bz14 | windows |
| 18:53.02 | tupone_laptop | don't need then :) |
| 18:53.32 | bz14 | you just set the port then start server ??? |
| 18:53.44 | brad | yep |
| 18:53.48 | brad | -p 443 |
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| 18:54.06 | bz14 | thanks |
| 18:55.21 | Erroneous | you do need to be an administrator to bind to 443 on windows |
| 18:56.33 | TheRedBaron | bz14: what version of windows? XP? |
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| 19:00.37 | L4m3r | anyone mind if I work on the new wiki's "ideas" page and format it like the flaglist? |
| 19:00.46 | L4m3r | it's rather messy |
| 19:01.02 | brlcad | go for it |
| 19:01.36 | Erroneous | people keep asking "can I change x on the wiki"... |
| 19:01.47 | Erroneous | the answer is (almost) always yes! |
| 19:02.15 | brlcad | did someone not explain what a wiki is during the announcement? |
| 19:02.30 | Erroneous | if someone doesn't like it, they can talk to you about it, and the community doesn't like it, it can be reverted |
| 19:02.33 | brlcad | i know a lot of people have no idea what that means |
| 19:02.42 | Erroneous | good point |
| 19:02.55 | brlcad | btw, what's a weakee? |
| 19:02.57 | Erroneous | perhaps whoever writes up our news announcment for it can mention it |
| 19:03.32 | L4m3r | I just don't want to step on anyone's toes if there are already improvements planned |
| 19:04.15 | L4m3r | heh, and there's a disclaimer: "If you wish to make major changes to this page, please warn us ahead of time." |
| 19:04.23 | Erroneous | heh |
| 19:04.29 | Erroneous | take that out, first thing :P |
| 19:04.41 | brlcad | hey, don't let others hold you back.. if they have plans, they should make those intentions well known too and be working on them |
| 19:04.42 | Erroneous | mediawiki's history is good enough we don't need that sort of thing |
| 19:05.15 | brlcad | which page is that disclaimer on? the ideas one? |
| 19:06.00 | L4m3r | yes |
| 19:06.07 | bz14 | still trying 443 , we tried bzflag -p 443 tried server:443 .... but that just tryes to connect to another serever on 443 |
| 19:06.15 | brlcad | that's a bit silly :) |
| 19:06.19 | L4m3r | I'm assuming it has more to to with content, as the page is rather old |
| 19:06.30 | brlcad | now the main wiki page.. mebbie |
| 19:06.40 | bz14 | ;{ |
| 19:06.42 | brlcad | but even then |
| 19:06.48 | L4m3r | more along the lines of "Don't wipe 90% of the ancient ideas on this page without warning us first" |
| 19:07.05 | brlcad | right |
| 19:07.07 | JBdiGriz | unless you have provided patches for all of them. |
| 19:08.01 | L4m3r | wow, this is long. perhaps I should break it up into multiple articles, by category |
| 19:08.13 | L4m3r | control, UI, gameplay, etc |
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| 19:15.26 | LongDon | bzauthd: You should use dns's round robin for the client. If a connect fails the user tries again and gets another ip adress and success the global login |
| 19:16.24 | bz14 | do you need bzflag-server |
| 19:16.40 | LongDon | bz14: Yes you do. |
| 19:16.51 | bz14 | is there a windows version |
| 19:16.52 | LongDon | "bzflag" is the client |
| 19:17.03 | LongDon | bzflag-server is the server program |
| 19:17.04 | blast007 | bzfs is the server |
| 19:17.07 | Erroneous | bz14: the windows client and server ship in the same package |
| 19:22.18 | JeffM2501 | hmm, they just released a new version of the irrlicht |
| 19:23.34 | bz14 | thanks had to run bzfs |
| 19:23.40 | bz14 | bzfs -p 443 |
| 19:25.43 | SportChick | ok, what do y'all need me to write? list please |
| 19:27.12 | Erroneous | I think what's left is an announcement of the new wiki. Not sure though, ask brlcad. |
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| 19:28.07 | SportChick | ah you did it while I was being tortured?! :p |
| 19:28.31 | Erroneous | the soc announcement, yeah, I started writing before brlcad suggested that you should :) |
| 19:29.51 | Erroneous | though if you have a suggestion for changing it, you're more than welcome to make it :) |
| 19:30.49 | JeffM2501 | blast007, how hard would it be to change the main page to have the links on the left point to the new wiki? |
| 19:31.17 | blast007 | trivial |
| 19:31.31 | JeffM2501 | we should do that at some point |
| 19:31.37 | JeffM2501 | didn't you have a new mainpage? |
| 19:31.51 | blast007 | I had the start of a new main site |
| 19:31.59 | blast007 | but then there was talk of Drupal |
| 19:32.02 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 19:34.48 | blast007 | think I had hooked up a WYSIWYG editor to the news administration |
| 19:36.26 | JeffM2501 | in your opinion is Drupal the way to go? or is it overkill? |
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| 20:03.07 | tupone_laptop | ~bzpastebin |
| 20:03.10 | ibot | somebody said bzpastebin was a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel, and it archives too. - try http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/ |
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| 20:12.09 | blast007 | JeffM2501: I'm not sure |
| 20:12.19 | blast007 | I'm used to making stuff from scratch all the time ;) |
| 20:12.43 | blast007 | cuz I always find things about pre-built stuff I don't like |
| 20:13.09 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 20:13.22 | JeffM2501 | I'm like that with some stuff too |
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| 20:15.21 | bz30 | does anyone know if the is a lugin for a race server? |
| 20:15.29 | bz30 | or map* |
| 20:15.42 | JeffM2501 | what would you need a plugin for? |
| 20:16.20 | bz30 | well ya know how there is ctf and FFA, i was wondering if there is a race one of those |
| 20:16.31 | bz30 | and i k ow htf |
| 20:16.35 | JeffM2501 | those are game modes, not plug-ins |
| 20:16.39 | JeffM2501 | what would a race mode entail? |
| 20:16.43 | JeffM2501 | how would it be difrent? |
| 20:16.44 | bz30 | nexcuse me, my bad |
| 20:17.54 | bz30 | the first person to grab the flag and cap it wins, is that a possible game mode? |
| 20:18.21 | JeffM2501 | what happens when somone "wins"? |
| 20:18.40 | bz30 | everyone dies and respawns |
| 20:19.02 | JeffM2501 | IIRC there was an HTF plugin that did something like that |
| 20:19.10 | JeffM2501 | should be in CVS |
| 20:19.22 | JeffM2501 | it's not a standard mode |
| 20:19.36 | bz30 | sort of like tanners TO but there is only one flag you race too |
| 20:19.42 | bz30 | alright |
| 20:20.03 | JeffM2501 | probalby you'd use the HTF plug-in with maybe some mods, and a map designed the way you want. |
| 20:20.18 | bz30 | alright:) |
| 20:20.22 | bz30 | thanks alot |
| 20:21.27 | bz30 | bye |
| 20:24.13 | JeffM2501 | tupone_laptop, I like the way that guy did the comparison between CS and ogre |
| 20:24.39 | tupone_laptop | good, seems not biased |
| 20:24.52 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:25.01 | JeffM2501 | and focuses on the important parts of actual development |
| 20:25.15 | JeffM2501 | jives wiht my experiences as well |
| 20:26.25 | Erroneous | I thought it was interesting that his comments at the end seemed to indicate favoring ogre for most projects, but that he chose CS for his own |
| 20:26.25 | JeffM2501 | irrlicht just released a new version today, with a new font and gui system, I'm taking a look at it. |
| 20:26.26 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, indeed, maybe that's just cus what he started with. |
| 20:26.35 | Erroneous | hm, with that detailed of an evaluation, I'm not sure it would matter what you started with ;) |
| 20:26.52 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 20:27.03 | JeffM2501 | the CS docs have been giving me some greif |
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| 20:44.01 | tupone_laptop | http://my.bzflag.org/w/CrystalSpace_client |
| 20:44.24 | JeffM2501 | what is that |
| 20:44.28 | JeffM2501 | that is so very small |
| 20:44.51 | tupone_laptop | I don't have tool now here to work on image, I'm emerging it |
| 20:45.26 | tupone_laptop | guess what is |
| 20:45.33 | JeffM2501 | my tank sideways |
| 20:45.44 | tupone_laptop | yep |
| 20:45.51 | tupone_laptop | y<->z |
| 20:46.05 | JeffM2501 | that's right, your doing Y as up |
| 20:46.35 | JeffM2501 | can you apply a rotation matrix to it before you draw it? |
| 20:47.03 | tupone_laptop | yeah, I can do, but maybe is better to do on xml. Dunno |
| 20:47.26 | JeffM2501 | probably beter in code, as your input is going to be all Z as up |
| 20:47.37 | JeffM2501 | so you'll have to do it for the world and position updates at some point |
| 20:47.58 | JeffM2501 | does CS have a headless mode? |
| 20:48.02 | tupone_laptop | position update, I'm ok, but no need to rotate |
| 20:48.05 | tupone_laptop | yeah, |
| 20:48.12 | tupone_laptop | nulldriver for opengl |
| 20:48.12 | JeffM2501 | if you make the maps into CS maps, then the server will need CS. |
| 20:48.59 | tupone_laptop | for now, I don't plan to change the map |
| 20:49.24 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 20:49.30 | JeffM2501 | just something to think about |
| 20:49.45 | tupone_laptop | if we will do, then we have to put a map analyzer there, mabe with ode too, and collision. Perhaps CS is good at that |
| 20:50.58 | JeffM2501 | then you'd be sending the maps over in there format |
| 20:51.00 | JeffM2501 | not the bins |
| 20:52.09 | JeffM2501 | probably doable if we just compress tem |
| 20:52.11 | JeffM2501 | them |
| 20:52.20 | tupone_laptop | yeah |
| 20:52.51 | tupone_laptop | we can send a zip, with world and material |
| 20:53.04 | JeffM2501 | can't use the cache system we have now? |
| 20:53.29 | tupone_laptop | what about texture? |
| 20:53.41 | JeffM2501 | that's what I mean, our current texture cache |
| 20:53.49 | JeffM2501 | not the map cache |
| 20:54.14 | JeffM2501 | we'd not want people to have to download the same image more then once just because it was used on a difrent map |
| 20:54.16 | tupone_laptop | dunno the name, are there a unique name for the same texture name, different server? |
| 20:54.26 | JeffM2501 | same name, same URL |
| 20:54.29 | JeffM2501 | just used in a difrent map |
| 20:54.40 | tupone_laptop | ahh, well, we can |
| 20:54.48 | JeffM2501 | probalby just be adding more files/folders to CSs file system search |
| 20:55.00 | tupone_laptop | if there is nothing more the description a world file is ok |
| 20:55.52 | tupone_laptop | you should be. No reason to be not |
| 20:56.16 | JeffM2501 | I've been negitive in the past when I should not have been |
| 20:56.24 | Erroneous | does JeffM2501 need a reason to be negative? :P |
| 20:56.31 | JeffM2501 | I should |
| 20:56.34 | JeffM2501 | I don't always |
| 20:58.29 | LongDon | JeffM2501: You should md5 such texture files to guarantee that its the same as the cached one |
| 20:58.37 | JeffM2501 | yeah we should |
| 20:58.45 | JeffM2501 | but it's not setup that way at this time |
| 20:58.51 | LongDon | names can be the same, files must not |
| 20:59.55 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 21:00.12 | JeffM2501 | how can the client get the MD5 from the web server tho with out downloading the file? |
| 21:01.03 | ts | seperate .md5 file in same directory |
| 21:01.20 | JeffM2501 | what if one dosn't exist? |
| 21:01.37 | blast007 | we do MD5 them |
| 21:01.39 | ts | then I don't know |
| 21:01.42 | blast007 | http://cbg.bzflag.org/images/BlasterWisconsin/telelink-trans.png |
| 21:01.43 | blast007 | 30637 1156968412 1173754468 135da314c3ec97f4f335d3bb21c85333 |
| 21:01.55 | blast007 | # <filesize> <filetime> <lastused> <md5check> |
| 21:02.11 | JeffM2501 | how does the client get that then blast007 ? |
| 21:02.15 | blast007 | not sure what we check when we download them though |
| 21:02.17 | JeffM2501 | the webserver do that? |
| 21:03.11 | Erroneous | no, that's just to check integrity on disk |
| 21:03.20 | Erroneous | the file-time gets checked against the server |
| 21:03.26 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 21:03.31 | JeffM2501 | that's at least something |
| 21:03.47 | JeffM2501 | and dosn't mean we have to force people to make md5 files |
| 21:04.15 | blast007 | we'd make the .md5 files on the servers that hosts the images |
| 21:04.15 | JeffM2501 | tho we could still generate the MD5s for stuff on images.bzflag.org |
| 21:04.26 | JeffM2501 | we dont' controll all those servers |
| 21:04.30 | JeffM2501 | as it can be any server |
| 21:04.37 | blast007 | well right |
| 21:04.42 | JeffM2501 | maybe fallback to date if it dosnt' exist |
| 21:04.49 | JeffM2501 | that'd be reasonable |
| 21:04.52 | Erroneous | in practice, we do, though indirectly for most |
| 21:04.58 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:05.03 | JeffM2501 | just the DNS |
| 21:05.11 | JeffM2501 | it'd be not bad to just tell the people who it maters |
| 21:05.15 | Erroneous | I don't know of anyone who currently hosts images on non-bzflag.org domains |
| 21:05.22 | JeffM2501 | with the image submiter, we host a number of them IIRC |
| 21:05.27 | Erroneous | and only three or four do on subdomains other than i.b.o |
| 21:05.45 | JeffM2501 | so like I said, reasonable to fallback to date on those |
| 21:06.01 | JeffM2501 | yet another idea for SoC :) |
| 21:06.08 | Erroneous | no real reason to check the md5s though |
| 21:06.34 | Erroneous | just makes transfers take longer (three extra connection cycles for transferring one more file, even if it's tiny) |
| 21:06.50 | JeffM2501 | your saying date is enough? |
| 21:06.56 | Erroneous | size and time should be enough, yeah |
| 21:07.35 | Erroneous | for one thing, we don't allow people to replace images on i.b.o anyway |
| 21:07.41 | Erroneous | since other maps may be using it |
| 21:10.45 | JeffM2501 | sounds like it's all dooable with CS |
| 21:13.10 | brlcad | how does this look? http://my.bzflag.org/gsoc/BZGSoC2007.pdf |
| 21:13.50 | JeffM2501 | not all the tags have the same font |
| 21:14.18 | JeffM2501 | and I'm not keen on the green wavy |
| 21:14.30 | JeffM2501 | I'd just make that be the yellow/back caution stripe |
| 21:14.39 | JeffM2501 | but other then that, great |
| 21:16.44 | brlcad | I was going to put the mountains there |
| 21:19.02 | Erroneous | the dashed border around the irc channel thing is kinda funky, the corners don't line up right |
| 21:19.45 | Erroneous | looks pretty good though |
| 21:20.21 | JeffM2501 | no, not our mountans, they are horible |
| 21:20.30 | JeffM2501 | I'd do a simple border witht he caution |
| 21:20.39 | JeffM2501 | and yeah make the IRC part a panel off the blue |
| 21:20.50 | JeffM2501 | how many difrent fonts you usin there too? |
| 21:21.50 | JeffM2501 | I don't think thre is a need for the fancy fonts on the bzflag, and the dates |
| 21:21.54 | JeffM2501 | but that's just mee |
| 21:22.06 | brlcad | the new mountains |
| 21:22.15 | JeffM2501 | they are worse :) |
| 21:22.18 | LongDon | brlcad: dont use drupal to change ldap data. I just treid to change my password and the login doesnt work anymore. Next: drupal stores the password in plaintext |
| 21:22.19 | brlcad | there's already a lot of "caution" .. gets unbalanced |
| 21:22.30 | JeffM2501 | then do tank treads :) |
| 21:22.37 | JeffM2501 | like an imprint |
| 21:22.49 | JeffM2501 | it'll be more subtle |
| 21:23.01 | brlcad | hrm.. not sure I have any material for that |
| 21:23.11 | JeffM2501 | use the tank tread image from the game |
| 21:23.19 | JeffM2501 | that we leave on the ground |
| 21:23.23 | JeffM2501 | but alpha it in |
| 21:23.31 | Erroneous | 'tisn't an image |
| 21:23.39 | Erroneous | iirc |
| 21:23.40 | brlcad | game just draws quads |
| 21:23.43 | Erroneous | yeah |
| 21:23.49 | JeffM2501 | hmmm |
| 21:24.00 | brlcad | simple square quads :) |
| 21:24.12 | brlcad | like the dashing around the irc channel :) |
| 21:24.13 | Erroneous | could always set tank treads to persist a long time, make a white mirror, and drive over it, then take a screenshot of that ;) |
| 21:24.26 | JeffM2501 | there ya go |
| 21:24.29 | brlcad | it's just meant to be "something" there since that'll be all scratchy torn anyways |
| 21:24.31 | Erroneous | then you'd get the nifty cloud reflections too |
| 21:25.00 | JeffM2501 | just put a dashed line then |
| 21:25.19 | JeffM2501 | like used around the IRC |
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| 21:25.26 | brlcad | then it's too weak :) .. the color balance is actually intentional/needed |
| 21:25.35 | JeffM2501 | and make the IRC part be another tab off of the blue :) |
| 21:25.36 | Erroneous | and I'm not sure it's actually necessary to have the irc channel on it...both websites you link to have the irc link in the first paragraph |
| 21:25.42 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 21:25.43 | brlcad | dont' see what you mean about the font on the tabs though |
| 21:27.09 | JeffM2501 | the rightmost 3 tags, have a difrent fornt for the URL |
| 21:27.10 | JeffM2501 | gooood lord, did you use lithos!!!??! |
| 21:27.10 | brlcad | hrm, here they are the same |
| 21:27.10 | Erroneous | JeffM2501: they're all the same here... |
| 21:27.10 | JeffM2501 | come look at mine |
| 21:27.10 | JeffM2501 | I'm in browser |
| 21:27.11 | JeffM2501 | it's acrobat, in firefox |
| 21:27.11 | brlcad | so, buggy IE? |
| 21:27.12 | brlcad | okay, acrobat :) |
| 21:27.46 | brlcad | i can paste them again, but there's actually no difference in my layout app for them, just copy pastes of the first tab |
| 21:28.22 | JeffM2501 | can you make a png |
| 21:28.30 | JeffM2501 | the fonts are difrent on mine and Erroneous's machines |
| 21:28.42 | JeffM2501 | something is wacky |
| 21:28.43 | brlcad | i was going to make both images and the pdf |
| 21:28.47 | Erroneous | yeah, big differences |
| 21:28.57 | JeffM2501 | we just want to see what you got, as you see it |
| 21:29.01 | JeffM2501 | so we can comment corectly |
| 21:29.15 | Erroneous | I think mine is more correct, but some of the fonts look pretty bad here too, and I'm thinkin' you may have something much slicker than we can see |
| 21:29.16 | JeffM2501 | to us it looks like your uinsg like 9 fonts and some are kinda ugly |
| 21:29.33 | JeffM2501 | yeah what he said :) |
| 21:30.01 | Outburst_ | hi |
| 21:30.06 | JeffM2501 | helo |
| 21:30.09 | Outburst_ | i like bzflag much |
| 21:30.14 | blast007 | looks okay here, but then again, I've been collecting fonts for years ;) |
| 21:30.15 | ts | looks all good for me :/ |
| 21:30.18 | Outburst_ | i love it long time! |
| 21:30.23 | blast007 | Outburst_: that's nice |
| 21:30.38 | ts | perhaps not embedded fonts |
| 21:30.42 | JeffM2501 | or just a png |
| 21:30.52 | JeffM2501 | I like the general idea, it just has small nits that need picking :) |
| 21:32.04 | brlcad | here's what it should be looking like: http://my.bzflag.org/gsoc/BZGSoC2007.png |
| 21:32.33 | JeffM2501 | wow. mine did NOT look like that |
| 21:32.42 | Erroneous | wow, your box looks better |
| 21:32.56 | JeffM2501 | I don't like the font with the lines in it |
| 21:33.00 | brlcad | i just tweaked the box for you:) |
| 21:33.03 | brlcad | http://my.bzflag.org/gsoc/BZGSoC2007.pdf updated |
| 21:33.05 | Erroneous | ahh :) |
| 21:33.07 | JeffM2501 | yeah tho I liked the font used for the title on mine |
| 21:33.11 | JeffM2501 | I don't like the top 2 fonts. |
| 21:33.29 | blast007 | looks the same as the PDF for me |
| 21:33.31 | JeffM2501 | I'd pick 3 fonts and stick wth that |
| 21:33.40 | JeffM2501 | we were on acrobat 7 and 8 |
| 21:33.47 | blast007 | I'm on 7 |
| 21:33.57 | JeffM2501 | must be what we have installed |
| 21:33.59 | JeffM2501 | for fonts |
| 21:34.07 | brlcad | the pdf should have had fonts embedded |
| 21:34.18 | Chestal | looks good here in xpdf, not so good in evince |
| 21:34.22 | JeffM2501 | you have a lot of fast swaps between bold and thin fonts, it's very contrasty and jacks the eye |
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| 21:35.08 | JeffM2501 | just my graphic design side's opinion |
| 21:35.11 | bz86 | when i type in msh nickserv a message says not enough parameters..whats this mean? |
| 21:35.26 | bz86 | msg* |
| 21:35.26 | JeffM2501 | you ahve to give nickserv a command |
| 21:35.32 | JeffM2501 | like /msg nickserv help |
| 21:35.35 | bz86 | ohh i see |
| 21:35.40 | JeffM2501 | or /msg nickserv register |
| 21:35.57 | bz86 | thank you |
| 21:36.00 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 21:36.18 | brlcad | there are four fonts in use iirc |
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| 21:37.01 | JeffM2501 | let me open it up in the acrobat editor and see |
| 21:37.10 | brlcad | pretty much a minimum, two titles (both reused), text, and a fixed width |
| 21:37.46 | brlcad | i could remove the first word in the paragraph.. that's a specific font iirc |
| 21:38.21 | JeffM2501 | bahh, I didn't get full acrobat when I got this machine :( |
| 21:39.15 | JeffM2501 | I'd open in in PS and look closer if the VP wasn't in the office behind me |
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| 21:42.44 | Erroneous | brlcad: definitely not four. "want to be..." is one font, "need a summer..." is another. "March 24" is another, "is now accepting..." is another, "BZFlag Game Developer" is another, and "http://my.bzflag.org/..." is another yet. |
| 21:43.24 | JeffM2501 | I can make some changes on the PNG to show you what I think would look better |
| 21:44.12 | JeffM2501 | but in a bit |
| 21:44.13 | Erroneous | ditch the different fonts used for the dates and "BZFlag Game Developer" text on the tabs and it'll be better |
| 21:45.01 | JeffM2501 | the want to be a game developer font seems a bit silly to me |
| 21:45.06 | JeffM2501 | but that could just be my taste |
| 21:45.25 | JeffM2501 | what Erroneous said was what I was going to say too |
| 21:45.46 | brlcad | there, this should be less font-happy and removed the others, http://my.bzflag.org/gsoc/BZGSoC2007.pdf|png |
| 21:46.19 | brlcad | still has the font you don't like.. but I do think that one is probably just taste :) |
| 21:46.20 | Erroneous | I like it :) |
| 21:46.23 | JeffM2501 | better |
| 21:46.37 | Erroneous | 'course I liked the other one too...this is more consistent though |
| 21:46.46 | brlcad | need to clean up the tabs.. too far into the margin now |
| 21:46.54 | JeffM2501 | I'd use the same font you use for "google sumer of code" in the tag, on the application deadline and program durration |
| 21:47.00 | JeffM2501 | as well as the summer job part |
| 21:47.38 | brlcad | can you show a screenshot? |
| 21:47.45 | brlcad | just to see how off-base the fonts are |
| 21:47.52 | JeffM2501 | I'm looking at the png now |
| 21:47.58 | JeffM2501 | so they are dead on ;) |
| 21:48.12 | JeffM2501 | let me load the pdf |
| 21:49.19 | JeffM2501 | http://www.opencombat.net/badfont.png |
| 21:50.09 | JeffM2501 | I guess I don't have that silly curvy font |
| 21:51.26 | Erroneous | what font is currently used for the game title splash thingy? |
| 21:51.35 | Erroneous | and bb header, etc |
| 21:51.45 | Erroneous | that might not be a bad one to play with |
| 21:51.56 | JeffM2501 | let me look |
| 21:52.01 | JeffM2501 | tho saturos may know |
| 21:52.35 | JeffM2501 | that's a startreck font! |
| 21:52.38 | JeffM2501 | IIRC |
| 21:52.44 | brlcad | odd.. the one used for march is the same as the "Want to be.." |
| 21:53.17 | brlcad | maybe it renders the font since it's got transparency |
| 21:53.18 | JeffM2501 | isnt' that the font used in the wrath of kahn title? |
| 21:53.43 | Erroneous | heh |
| 21:53.46 | Erroneous | might be |
| 21:54.00 | JeffM2501 | I got an IM into splaturos |
| 21:54.02 | brlcad | kahn really just wanted to be a game dev |
| 21:54.06 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:54.12 | JeffM2501 | and to be loved |
| 21:54.13 | Erroneous | probably should use the same one for the BZWiki header image too |
| 21:54.16 | Erroneous | if we want consistency |
| 21:54.32 | blast007 | Erroneous: do we want that? ;) |
| 21:54.49 | JeffM2501 | yeah, I mean you realy want to change from tradition that much? ;) |
| 21:54.53 | brlcad | want expediency before consistency for this particular one -- the flyer is only relevant for like 7 days |
| 21:55.02 | Erroneous | a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds ;) |
| 21:55.04 | brlcad | spending a day on it isn't productive ;) |
| 21:55.13 | JeffM2501 | the paint the shed man, paint it !!!! |
| 21:55.17 | Erroneous | brlcad: then what you have is fine |
| 21:55.27 | JeffM2501 | but it better be blue, or I quit |
| 21:55.33 | L4m3r | my god this ideas page is _SO_ long! |
| 21:55.37 | Erroneous | pft, forget paint, we should use finished siding |
| 21:55.43 | Erroneous | or aluminum panels |
| 21:55.45 | L4m3r | >_> |
| 21:55.47 | JeffM2501 | sears sells premade sheds |
| 21:55.47 | L4m3r | <_< |
| 21:55.50 | Erroneous | heh |
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| 21:55.57 | L4m3r | so does Home Desperate |
| 21:56.01 | Erroneous | premade bikesheds kinda defeats the point... ;) |
| 21:56.20 | Erroneous | ship it! |
| 21:56.24 | L4m3r | ultimate shed = cargo container |
| 21:56.25 | JeffM2501 | its' the 21st centry, we should have inflateable ones |
| 21:56.52 | JeffM2501 | and flying bikes! |
| 21:56.57 | L4m3r | even more ultimate storage: BURIED cargo container |
| 21:57.08 | L4m3r | old school buses work too |
| 21:57.26 | JeffM2501 | the font used was "Final Frontier" according to the artman |
| 21:57.37 | Erroneous | sounds like you were right :) |
| 21:57.45 | JeffM2501 | http://www.myfont.de/fonts/infos/361-Final-Frontier.html |
| 21:57.58 | JeffM2501 | I know me some pop culture :) |
| 21:58.48 | Erroneous | though you'd think I'd have seen twok enough to recognize it anyway |
| 21:59.04 | JeffM2501 | it's probalby also the 3 years of graphic design classes that make me notice that stuff. |
| 21:59.11 | Erroneous | could do it |
| 21:59.16 | JeffM2501 | they burned font rules into my head |
| 21:59.21 | JeffM2501 | "never use a font named after a city" |
| 21:59.32 | L4m3r | o_O |
| 22:00.39 | Erroneous | that's a silly rule |
| 22:00.39 | Erroneous | Moorpark is a fine font :P |
| 22:00.39 | JeffM2501 | it's better then chatsworth |
| 22:00.40 | brlcad | one more, http://my.bzflag.org/gsoc/BZGSoC2007.png | pdf |
| 22:00.40 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
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| 22:00.41 | JeffM2501 | ww, that was for him ^ |
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| 22:00.41 | JeffM2501 | Saturos, , http://my.bzflag.org/gsoc/BZGSoC2007.png |
| 22:01.25 | L4m3r | oooh |
| 22:01.30 | Erroneous | brlcad: I like it, but I've liked the last few revisions, so... |
| 22:01.41 | Erroneous | ~l4m3r++ |
| 22:01.41 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, I think the rule was mostly meaning "don't use any of the default fonts on the mac plus" :) |
| 22:01.47 | brlcad | L4m3r: actually, how does it look printed? |
| 22:01.51 | L4m3r | assuming the printer works |
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| 22:01.55 | brlcad | that's the one sanity check I couldn't do here |
| 22:01.55 | L4m3r | hold on a sec ;) |
| 22:01.57 | Erroneous | L4m3r: you gonna submit an application too? :) |
| 22:01.59 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, better |
| 22:02.02 | JeffM2501 | they keep geting better |
| 22:02.15 | L4m3r | I'm working fulltime this summer and my coding skills are still... meh |
| 22:02.30 | brlcad | JeffM2501: curious, dose the title render right now with your acrobat? |
| 22:02.32 | Erroneous | awww |
| 22:02.39 | JeffM2501 | let me reload |
| 22:02.40 | Erroneous | L4m3r: only one way to get better! |
| 22:02.41 | JeffM2501 | the pdf |
| 22:03.06 | JeffM2501 | no, it does not load the bulgy font |
| 22:03.07 | Erroneous | practice+peer review => better coding skills ;) |
| 22:03.16 | Saturos | Looks good... I dont quite like the fat blue font and the green wave is a bit strange. :) |
| 22:03.23 | JeffM2501 | and stop wasting time puting bondo on your case ;) |
| 22:03.30 | Saturos | But the rectangle with cuation.png looks superb. :) |
| 22:03.32 | JeffM2501 | HAH, see.. |
| 22:03.46 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 22:03.46 | brlcad | you paid him to say that |
| 22:03.49 | brlcad | :) |
| 22:03.49 | JeffM2501 | I can show you the logs man |
| 22:03.53 | JeffM2501 | IM is still up |
| 22:04.00 | Erroneous | hehe |
| 22:04.00 | brlcad | uh huh.. scrubbed |
| 22:04.07 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 22:04.15 | JeffM2501 | I still ahve the trillain window up |
| 22:04.21 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous can see ;) |
| 22:04.38 | Saturos | The tank looks a bit low-res but the idea to fade it into the wireframe is nice. |
| 22:04.38 | JeffM2501 | Saturos, I told him the same things ;) |
| 22:04.46 | Saturos | I guessed that. |
| 22:04.53 | brlcad | hey, i know it's not perfect.. but it does need to go up soon and that is more taste than effectiveness |
| 22:05.19 | JeffM2501 | to me me happy, just change the 2 title fonts and that's it |
| 22:05.29 | L4m3r | I'm printing from the PNG now... stand by... |
| 22:05.40 | brlcad | that's actually close to the font for the game developer magazine |
| 22:06.04 | Saturos | I like it, well done. |
| 22:06.25 | Saturos | You could have put the icon somewhere. 8) |
| 22:06.53 | L4m3r | looks good, save for ink issues on my end |
| 22:07.11 | brlcad | Saturos: I was going to start with your high-res render.. but given these things will likely be printed on black n white and I couldn't test.. ;) |
| 22:07.44 | L4m3r | how many people are you guys looking for? |
| 22:08.04 | brlcad | JeffM2501: what kind of font did you have in mind for the "Want" title.. I'll compromise (i really like the second one, matches wireframe) |
| 22:08.14 | JeffM2501 | just like arial bold |
| 22:08.17 | brlcad | god don't say a serif font |
| 22:08.21 | JeffM2501 | clean, fat, but not loopy |
| 22:08.34 | JeffM2501 | no, not serif |
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| 22:09.49 | Saturos | hehe, I was going to suggest arial black |
| 22:10.25 | JeffM2501 | or gunship black |
| 22:11.01 | Saturos | Futura bold is similar too |
| 22:11.25 | Saturos | err, Gunship is like earth |
| 22:11.35 | brlcad | with arial black, http://my.bzflag.org/gsoc/BZGSoC2007.png | pdf |
| 22:11.57 | Saturos | I like Bank Gothic when it comes to futuristic. |
| 22:12.14 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's better |
| 22:12.24 | JeffM2501 | now to just get rid of the ugly green one ;) |
| 22:12.29 | Saturos | I would put more space between the lines. |
| 22:12.44 | JeffM2501 | make it a thin serif, instead, it'll look wireframing |
| 22:13.04 | JeffM2501 | I don't mind the squiggle now with these fonts |
| 22:13.16 | JeffM2501 | but hell, ship it |
| 22:13.35 | L4m3r | mmmk, I cut the ribbons and pinned it up |
| 22:13.59 | L4m3r | :) |
| 22:14.22 | brlcad | now to just get Manu to translate it to spanish properly |
| 22:14.40 | brlcad | Saturos: you speak german don'tcha? :) |
| 22:14.49 | Saturos | yep |
| 22:15.15 | brlcad | care to translate the text for me? |
| 22:15.28 | Saturos | All of it? |
| 22:15.39 | brlcad | heh, that would help :) |
| 22:16.04 | Saturos | Okay... one question: |
| 22:16.05 | brlcad | i mean, if you were to post it at a school in germany.. whatever makes sense |
| 22:16.46 | brlcad | doesn't have to be 100% faithful |
| 22:16.53 | brlcad | just the same basic idea |
| 22:16.57 | brlcad | same basic info |
| 22:17.24 | Saturos | You english speaking people always say "you". In German we have different you-s. One for friends and related people ("du") and one for persons you dont know really or who are persons of respect like teachers ("Sie"). |
| 22:17.30 | Saturos | Which one would be the one to use? |
| 22:17.58 | brlcad | Erroneous: Chestal mentioned he can help some |
| 22:18.01 | brlcad | Saturos: informal you |
| 22:18.14 | Saturos | Alright, gimme a few minutes. |
| 22:18.27 | Erroneous | brlcad: just thinking, if we translate everything, we should have devs who can assist applicants who apply with restricted english skills |
| 22:18.56 | Erroneous | otherwise may as well leave all/most of the text in english |
| 22:18.59 | brlcad | yep, that's why I only mention spanish and german .. and italian .. (hey tupone_laptop ) :) |
| 22:19.18 | JeffM2501 | I can do bad english |
| 22:19.23 | brlcad | i can do spanish, but my writing skills are teh suck and it'd take a while |
| 22:19.27 | Manu | brlcad: to translate what? :) |
| 22:19.33 | Erroneous | I'm sure will get some applicants in bad english, JeffM2501 :P |
| 22:19.41 | brlcad | Manu: http://my.bzflag.org/gsoc/BZGSoC2007.png |
| 22:19.44 | JeffM2501 | I can probably handle AOL too |
| 22:19.45 | Erroneous | likely indian-variant |
| 22:19.48 | L4m3r | durrr, we're talking about coders here |
| 22:20.04 | L4m3r | MORE likely to be bad english than good :) |
| 22:20.09 | Erroneous | hehe |
| 22:20.20 | JeffM2501 | whooot, I'll get an army of minons!! |
| 22:20.33 | Saturos | applications have nothing to do with programs, its used like signing up, right? |
| 22:20.34 | brlcad | or an army of onion |
| 22:20.41 | Erroneous | Saturos, yes |
| 22:21.18 | JeffM2501 | MINI onions! |
| 22:21.22 | JeffM2501 | the best kind |
| 22:21.24 | Think_Differentl | mmm. |
| 22:21.27 | Erroneous | mmm |
| 22:21.28 | Manu | brlcad: yes, I found the link you were talking about :) |
| 22:21.33 | Think_Differentl | carmalized mini onions |
| 22:21.43 | Erroneous | roasted garlic |
| 22:21.43 | JeffM2501 | they only scream when you turn on the heat |
| 22:22.27 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, we the only game in the applicants? |
| 22:22.35 | Manu | brlcad: of course, I can translate it to spanish. Is this the definitive version? |
| 22:23.54 | Erroneous | anyone done a bb announcement for soc? |
| 22:24.00 | JeffM2501 | not that I've seen |
| 22:24.24 | Erroneous | JeffM2501: I think he's typing up another one now |
| 22:24.34 | JeffM2501 | probably |
| 22:24.39 | JeffM2501 | stupid atributes |
| 22:24.47 | JeffM2501 | they aint' even real bugs, just busted posts ;( |
| 22:25.04 | Erroneous | then what you really need is someone to go around and smack the post devs :) |
| 22:25.10 | JeffM2501 | yeah they are all sick |
| 22:25.14 | JeffM2501 | or watching tenis |
| 22:25.15 | Saturos | Is "project proposal" something where the students state their ideas and on which aspects the would like to work? |
| 22:25.21 | Saturos | *they |
| 22:25.25 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 22:25.29 | JeffM2501 | the say what they want to do |
| 22:25.35 | JeffM2501 | specficly |
| 22:25.40 | JeffM2501 | like there plan of action |
| 22:25.49 | Saturos | Okay, thanks. |
| 22:26.06 | JeffM2501 | like "wite a bzedit that dosn't suck" |
| 22:26.22 | JeffM2501 | I'd approve that guy |
| 22:26.57 | brlcad | Manu: yes, I don't think anyone has made any comments on what the flyer actually said :) |
| 22:27.12 | JeffM2501 | reading is for girls |
| 22:27.28 | brlcad | bzfagls! |
| 22:27.31 | JeffM2501 | there are so many unfortonate mispellings of it |
| 22:28.03 | L4m3r | yeah... |
| 22:28.32 | ts | When I played first I thought it is BZFLag because it's so laggy ;) |
| 22:30.44 | tupone_laptop | I will translate after Manu :) it is easyer if he do a good job |
| 22:30.51 | Manu | tupone_laptop: :p |
| 22:30.51 | JeffM2501 | spanish to italian is better then english to italian? |
| 22:31.14 | tupone_laptop | yep |
| 22:32.04 | ts | Similar languages |
| 22:32.08 | brlcad | Manu: if you provide rich text or html, it'll be easier to integrate with the diacriticals |
| 22:32.28 | Saturos | hey ts |
| 22:32.37 | ts | Nabend Saturos |
| 22:34.21 | Manu | brlcad: I can provide html |
| 22:34.41 | Manu | rich text too, I guess |
| 22:38.37 | Saturos | I guess thats it: http://pastebin.ca/398061 |
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| 22:38.51 | Saturos | But it would help if you showed it to some other Germans first. ;) |
| 22:39.00 | Saturos | Maybe they see some mistakes. |
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| 22:40.03 | LongDon | Saturos: s/umreissen/angeben/ |
| 22:40.33 | Saturos | Stimmt, angeben ist besser. |
| 22:41.00 | ts | Falls angenommen? Hmm, da fehlt was |
| 22:41.32 | Saturos | Falls akzeptiert, ... ? |
| 22:41.32 | Erroneous | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=10398 |
| 22:41.59 | Saturos | Im Original heißt es "If approved..." |
| 22:42.03 | ts | Saturos: Falls Du angenommen wirst öder so ähnlich |
| 22:42.12 | ts | s/öder/oder |
| 22:42.14 | Saturos | Gut. |
| 22:42.21 | ts | Andere Semantik |
| 22:43.03 | Saturos | Falls Du angenommen wirst, wirst Du für deine Arbeit bezahlt . .. . geht aber gar nicht. |
| 22:43.07 | brlcad | DTRemenak: I think technically, there's only a $500 stipend .. the remaining $4k is a grant upon successful program completion |
| 22:43.12 | ts | brlcad: BTW: How many students are we getting roughly and how many projects are there? |
| 22:43.23 | brlcad | pedantic wording, but someone might think that they get $4500 up front |
| 22:43.38 | ts | Saturos: Da geht wohl eine direkte Übersetzung nicht |
| 22:43.40 | brlcad | ts: we won't know that until after all applications are received |
| 22:43.45 | Saturos | Falls Du angenommen wirst, erhältst du Bezahlung für deine Arbeit, ... ? |
| 22:43.51 | brlcad | there's one project per student |
| 22:43.53 | ts | schon eher |
| 22:44.06 | LongDon | ... wirst du für deine Arbeit bezahlt |
| 22:44.08 | brlcad | we just suggest ideas, they ultimately propose what they're going to do |
| 22:44.12 | ts | brlcad: Server side state is no target? |
| 22:44.17 | LongDon | finde ich besser |
| 22:44.29 | Saturos | Bei Annahme wirst Du für deine Arbeit bezahlt, ... ist auch suboptimal. |
| 22:44.36 | Saturos | Aber "wirst, wirst" geht nicht. |
| 22:44.36 | brlcad | ts: that's a dev target, but how to exactly go about that as a general deliverable is not something I think most students could do |
| 22:44.40 | Erroneous | brlcad: correct, but their own FAQ calls it a stipend... |
| 22:44.44 | LongDon | stimmt |
| 22:44.52 | brlcad | Erroneous: the whole thing? |
| 22:45.05 | brlcad | i've seen them refer to the 500 as a stipend |
| 22:45.12 | JeffM2501 | ts it has to be somethin they can do as a single target with a defined goal. |
| 22:45.20 | Erroneous | their "what is..." statement: "Google Summer of CodeTM is a program that offers student developers stipends to write code for various open source projects." |
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| 22:45.51 | brlcad | Erroneous: which is slightly different than saying they offer $4.5k stipends ;) |
| 22:46.03 | ts | JeffM2501: Single target? Hmm |
| 22:46.08 | brlcad | what they said is still true, regardless :) |
| 22:46.13 | brlcad | even if missing details |
| 22:46.18 | JeffM2501 | each student has one project they do, that is well defined |
| 22:46.33 | JeffM2501 | not a general "just work on the project" |
| 22:46.38 | brlcad | DTRemenak: not a big deal, just a thought |
| 22:46.39 | Erroneous | brlcad: how's this then: "Google will provide a stipend of 5000 USD per accepted student developer, of which 4500 USD goes to the student and 500 USD goes to the mentoring organization." |
| 22:46.43 | brlcad | paint the shed pink |
| 22:46.48 | Erroneous | http://code.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=60322&topic=10731 |
| 22:47.00 | JeffM2501 | ts, a student can always propose server side state as a project, if they define it well enough we can accept it |
| 22:47.01 | Erroneous | it's a bit different this year anyway |
| 22:47.07 | Erroneous | spread out with a mid-term evaluation |
| 22:47.12 | JeffM2501 | but there isn't enoguh info on our side to offer it as a sugestion. |
| 22:47.19 | ts | Saturos: "of" ist in der Verknüfpung groß geschrieben, es muss aber klein sein. |
| 22:47.22 | brlcad | shame we don't get 500 per student |
| 22:47.26 | Erroneous | rather than a little at the beginning and a big chunk at the end |
| 22:47.41 | Erroneous | we don't? |
| 22:47.43 | Erroneous | "Mentoring organizations will receive 500 USD per student shortly after the final evaluation deadline, August 31, 2007" |
| 22:47.48 | Erroneous | same page |
| 22:47.51 | JeffM2501 | oooo |
| 22:47.54 | brlcad | ooh, different |
| 22:47.57 | JeffM2501 | bring on the kiddies!!! |
| 22:48.00 | brlcad | it used to be a flat per ord |
| 22:48.01 | Saturos | stimmt ts |
| 22:48.02 | Saturos | danke |
| 22:48.03 | brlcad | s/ord/org/ |
| 22:48.05 | Erroneous | yeah, it did |
| 22:48.07 | ts | kein DIng |
| 22:48.10 | Erroneous | like I said, they changed things this year |
| 22:48.12 | brlcad | sweet |
| 22:48.15 | Erroneous | I was pretty surprised when I read it |
| 22:48.18 | JeffM2501 | pfft, get a grand or 2, then pay me to do server side state :) |
| 22:48.19 | Erroneous | yeah, no kidding |
| 22:48.40 | Saturos | ts, LongDon: Was haltet ihr von "Falls akzeptiert, wirst Du für deine Arbeit bezahlt"? |
| 22:48.42 | Erroneous | you'll do it for free eventually :P |
| 22:48.46 | brlcad | hehe |
| 22:48.47 | JeffM2501 | probably not |
| 22:48.57 | JeffM2501 | money would motivate me to take a week off work ;) |
| 22:49.05 | ts | Saturos: Für mich fehlt da ein Satzteil |
| 22:49.07 | Erroneous | when someone else tries to do it and screws it up, you'll fix it...how's that :) |
| 22:49.09 | JeffM2501 | I want a pimpdaddy laptop |
| 22:49.10 | Saturos | hmm |
| 22:49.12 | brlcad | grr, wiki is set to block gif uploads |
| 22:49.19 | JeffM2501 | yeah but how does that method get me a laptop? |
| 22:49.22 | Erroneous | brlcad: isn't that annoying? |
| 22:49.26 | Saturos | ts: "Bei Annahme"? |
| 22:49.31 | Saturos | oder Aufnahme |
| 22:49.36 | brlcad | the patent expired, dag nab it, not that it really mattered anyways |
| 22:49.47 | Saturos | Hat GSOC keine deutsche Seite, wo das schon formuliert ist?? |
| 22:49.52 | Erroneous | brlcad: I had to convert a couple of the transwikied images to png for just that reason |
| 22:50.01 | ts | Uff, Aufnahme geht, hört sich aber suboptimal an. |
| 22:50.24 | ts | Saturos: Keine Ahnung, ich habe erst hier von der Aktion gelesen |
| 22:51.04 | brlcad | there we go |
| 22:51.05 | ts | Generell würde ich versuchen alles zu übersetzen |
| 22:51.06 | brlcad | all fixied |
| 22:51.28 | Saturos | ts: "online multiplayer cross-platform 3D tank battle game" muss man nicht übersetzen, oder? |
| 22:51.44 | ts | Saturos: Geht schlecht :/ |
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| 22:51.49 | Saturos | "Online-Mehrspieler-Multiplattform-3D-Panzerkriegsspiel" ist etwas panne. |
| 22:52.02 | Saturos | Ich denke, das steht für sich. |
| 22:52.04 | ts | ist beides komisch |
| 22:52.51 | ts | Saturos: Online wäre in dem Kontext übrigens Netzwerk |
| 22:53.06 | Saturos | hehe |
| 22:53.20 | tupone_laptop | http://my.bzflag.org/w/CrystalSpace_client |
| 22:53.49 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 22:53.51 | JeffM2501 | very nice |
| 22:53.51 | tupone_laptop | That looks better |
| 22:53.54 | ts | tupone_laptop: Yay, no more ants, real tanks |
| 22:53.57 | Saturos | Das hier wäre dann die meiner Meinung nach finale Version: http://pastebin.ca/398079 |
| 22:54.04 | JeffM2501 | man that sky looks like it's on fire with blue plasma |
| 22:54.44 | ts | JeffM2501: When playing people hardly look at sky ;) |
| 22:55.01 | Saturos | Over here its plain black. :O |
| 22:55.16 | JeffM2501 | when playing people hardly use the 3d view |
| 22:55.24 | JeffM2501 | that dosn't mean we should make it ugly or remove it |
| 22:55.27 | Erroneous | oof, JeffM2501 types faster than I do |
| 22:55.45 | JeffM2501 | I mean heck, do a clanlib port, make bz 2d and then be done with it |
| 22:55.58 | Saturos | brlcad: here you go: http://pastebin.ca/398079 <- its not perfect but that should do it. |
| 22:56.05 | ts | Saturos: Ai, of ist immer noch groß |
| 22:56.23 | ts | Saturos: Mit großem O stimmt die Adresse nicht |
| 22:56.34 | Saturos | brlcad: The URL is mis-typed, the "Of" should of course be lowercased. |
| 22:57.18 | Manu | tupone_laptop: there is a tank now? I can see two ;) |
| 22:57.30 | ts | Manu: I see 4 of them |
| 22:57.38 | tupone_laptop | hehe |
| 22:57.56 | ts | Need some beers then I have 8 :D |
| 22:57.56 | Manu | ts: you win :) |
| 22:58.10 | tupone_laptop | I forget to change the "didascalia" |
| 22:58.12 | Manu | well I can see 5 ;) |
| 22:58.25 | ts | ah, right |
| 22:58.44 | JeffM2501 | tupone_laptop, seems like your moving along quite well on it |
| 22:59.00 | tupone_laptop | :) I need help |
| 22:59.05 | tupone_laptop | a lot of it |
| 22:59.16 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's hard todo a bit port on your own |
| 23:00.16 | JeffM2501 | how hard do you think the gui will be? |
| 23:00.39 | tupone_laptop | I don't think is that hard. Just need to retought |
| 23:00.43 | tupone_laptop | thought |
| 23:00.49 | tupone_laptop | whatever is |
| 23:00.58 | JeffM2501 | bet the CEGUI dosn't realy map well into our stuff |
| 23:01.22 | tupone_laptop | That is why I said that |
| 23:01.22 | brlcad | Saturos: cool, thanks |
| 23:01.46 | JeffM2501 | what do you think of the CEGUI API |
| 23:01.53 | Saturos | brlcad: always happy if I can help :) |
| 23:01.57 | tupone_laptop | I have not seen it |
| 23:02.06 | JeffM2501 | I tried to look at it |
| 23:02.07 | tupone_laptop | I only saw some screenshot |
| 23:02.10 | JeffM2501 | I did not like it |
| 23:02.12 | JeffM2501 | as an API |
| 23:02.17 | JeffM2501 | I love how it looks |
| 23:02.29 | JeffM2501 | I should buck up and take another look at it |
| 23:02.59 | ts | Saturos: Maybe you should have mentioned some basic English-knowledge required |
| 23:03.35 | Saturos | ts: they will get that once they open the url in their browser |
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| 23:04.10 | ts | Saturos: Let's hope they don't get scared :) |
| 23:04.32 | JeffM2501 | for all that you worry about, you didn't get scared ;) |
| 23:04.54 | ts | JeffM2501: Yeah, I worry too much |
| 23:05.01 | JeffM2501 | sometimest that's good |
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| 23:05.20 | tupone_laptop | Manu, you can rebuild it :) |
| 23:07.14 | ts | I have to mv /dev/me /dev/bed |
| 23:07.14 | ts | bye |
| 23:07.17 | Saturos | cu ts |
| 23:07.18 | blast007 | :) |
| 23:07.52 | JeffM2501 | ahh I see, lots of callbacks with CEGUI |
| 23:08.26 | a_meteorite | I want to cat /dev/random > /dev/ear |
| 23:11.04 | inchworm | a_meteorite: where do you think code comes from? |
| 23:11.17 | a_meteorite | inchworm: from /dev/brain |
| 23:11.24 | inchworm | which is fed from? |
| 23:11.40 | a_meteorite | err, /dev/nutrients |
| 23:12.19 | inchworm | hehe |
| 23:13.34 | blast007 | we are all but a /dev/null compared to /dev/universe |
| 23:14.03 | a_meteorite | but null is only for things truly void and empty |
| 23:14.23 | a_meteorite | brlcad: did bzflag get accepted into GSoC? |
| 23:14.31 | blast007 | yup |
| 23:14.39 | inchworm | a_meteorite: is 0.999... = 1 ? |
| 23:15.03 | a_meteorite | inchworm: algebraically, but I never thought so :P |
| 23:15.11 | a_meteorite | *algebraically it is |
| 23:15.21 | inchworm | hehe |
| 23:15.32 | a_meteorite | blast007: yup to my null comment or to GSoC acceptance? |
| 23:15.40 | blast007 | GSoC |
| 23:15.45 | a_meteorite | great |
| 23:25.23 | a_meteorite | food |
| 23:27.10 | Bz_Win | where?! |
| 23:27.40 | a_meteorite | you were eating... |
| 23:27.43 | TimRiker | nice soc flyers. :) |
| 23:27.46 | a_meteorite | I can't wait for m diet coke |
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| 23:28.57 | Bz_Win | ~lart TZ |
| 23:28.58 | tankzilla | Hola Mi amigos, que pasa? |
| 23:29.04 | Bz_Win | ouch |
| 23:29.23 | tankzilla | lemme guess, nobodys here ;) |
| 23:29.23 | brlcad | okay, german is now uploaded |
| 23:29.25 | brlcad | ts: you around? |
| 23:29.34 | JeffM2501 | he went to sleep |
| 23:29.41 | blast007 | tankzilla: yeah, nobody is here at all |
| 23:29.42 | brlcad | ahh |
| 23:29.48 | tankzilla | :) |
| 23:29.55 | blast007 | ;) |
| 23:29.58 | tankzilla | in #guleague there are like two people there |
| 23:30.03 | tankzilla | so i assumed it was the same ;) |
| 23:30.13 | brlcad | if anyone knows german well, care to make sure I didn't copy-paste bad: http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code#Promotion_Flyers |
| 23:30.24 | brlcad | (spanish and italian pending) |
| 23:30.32 | tankzilla | uh, well.. |
| 23:30.39 | tankzilla | i can get you someone that speaks spanish :P |
| 23:30.40 | menotume | they don't give the students much time to apply :( |
| 23:30.48 | JeffM2501 | can we do translations of the ideas page as well brlcad ? |
| 23:30.54 | tankzilla | but it'll take some time, i don't know when he'll be home. |
| 23:31.09 | JeffM2501 | tankzilla, that wasn't really to you. |
| 23:31.13 | brlcad | JeffM2501: I wouldnt' bother with that really |
| 23:31.18 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 23:31.33 | tankzilla | JeffM2501 he said anyone, correct? |
| 23:31.34 | brlcad | if they can't at least read english, then we probably would have trouble interacting |
| 23:31.55 | JeffM2501 | I mean if your going thru the trouble of geting the adds done in local languages, then we only have the ideas in english ;) |
| 23:32.02 | JeffM2501 | tankzilla, that he did, my bad |
| 23:32.17 | tankzilla | :P no biggie, i can help if needed im saying ;) |
| 23:32.18 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, so it's more then just a basic understanding of english |
| 23:32.30 | JeffM2501 | you need to know a decent amount to read the ideas |
| 23:32.36 | brlcad | depends really |
| 23:32.48 | Bz_Win | hey jeff, tz just asked me if you hated him :p |
| 23:32.58 | tankzilla | did not >:( |
| 23:33.00 | JeffM2501 | still local adds is better then nothing |
| 23:33.05 | blast007 | JeffM2501: the fliers could at least get their attention |
| 23:33.13 | JeffM2501 | Bz_Win, and that goes in the public channel... why? |
| 23:33.20 | JeffM2501 | blast007, indeed |
| 23:33.28 | brlcad | that's the intent.. catch the attention in their language, then go from there |
| 23:33.31 | JeffM2501 | I was just asking if we should go and do the work for the ideas too |
| 23:33.32 | JeffM2501 | to be nice |
| 23:33.36 | JeffM2501 | if not that's ok |
| 23:34.15 | brlcad | i mean, no reason not to if you really want to.. |
| 23:34.17 | JeffM2501 | 'twas just an idea |
| 23:34.26 | JeffM2501 | I can translate it to bad english |
| 23:34.37 | brlcad | it's also just as short-lived |
| 23:34.37 | JeffM2501 | but Erroneous keeps correcting it |
| 23:34.41 | brlcad | heh |
| 23:34.46 | blast007 | run it through an AOL translator |
| 23:35.03 | JeffM2501 | somone should make a reverse AOL translator |
| 23:35.24 | blast007 | JeffM2501: AOL speak is a one way hash ;) |
| 23:35.40 | brlcad | how do you comment out something in mediawiki? |
| 23:35.46 | *** join/#bzflag quantumdot (n=Juan@about/essy/Charm/quantumdot) |
| 23:35.48 | JeffM2501 | delete it |
| 23:35.53 | brlcad | dont' want to remove it, but want to "turn it off" for a bit |
| 23:36.01 | blast007 | there is history |
| 23:36.05 | JeffM2501 | it'll be in the history |
| 23:36.15 | brlcad | argl, there's a way to do it too :) |
| 23:36.28 | menotume | spanish translator is here :) |
| 23:36.42 | blast007 | maybe just put it inside HTML comment tags: <!-- stuff in here --> |
| 23:36.49 | Erroneous | brlcad: html-style <!-- should work |
| 23:36.53 | brlcad | ahh, yeah |
| 23:36.59 | brlcad | that worked |
| 23:37.00 | Erroneous | grr, and blast007 beats me to it AGAIN :P |
| 23:37.06 | blast007 | ;) |
| 23:37.19 | brlcad | quantumdot: hola |
| 23:37.23 | quantumdot | hola |
| 23:37.33 | quantumdot | am i needed? |
| 23:38.18 | brlcad | lo que necesitamos es un tradduciôn de un flyer |
| 23:38.29 | quantumdot | ok np |
| 23:38.34 | brlcad | bah, wrong key ó |
| 23:38.48 | brlcad | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code#Promotion_Flyers |
| 23:38.49 | quantumdot | but you seem to do it very well :) |
| 23:39.31 | quantumdot | what part of that need to be translated? |
| 23:39.38 | brlcad | i'm fluent, but my grammar tiene olor de mierda |
| 23:39.50 | brlcad | (sorry) :) |
| 23:40.33 | quantumdot | the link went to the pic, is that pic or the whole page that needs translation? |
| 23:40.34 | menotume | that just may be worth looking up :) |
| 23:40.47 | brlcad | quantumdot: basically, to translate the parts of http://my.bzflag.org/gsoc/BZGSoC2007.pdf .. and provide something like: http://pastebin.ca/398079 |
| 23:41.24 | brlcad | menotume: smells of .. poo poo |
| 23:41.34 | menotume | hehe |
| 23:41.34 | quantumdot | sure i can do it |
| 23:41.48 | quantumdot | when do you need it? |
| 23:42.11 | brlcad | whenever you finish it :) |
| 23:42.14 | brlcad | ideally now :) |
| 23:42.24 | quantumdot | i'll do it over the weekend then |
| 23:42.38 | brlcad | ahh, that'll be too late then |
| 23:42.50 | quantumdot | well i van do it now |
| 23:42.53 | quantumdot | can* |
| 23:43.26 | brlcad | that would help.. the flyer deadline is in just 8 days, so every day counts -- sending an announcement out to google in a few minutes |
| 23:43.31 | quantumdot | i see now |
| 23:43.42 | quantumdot | give me a few mins |
| 23:43.59 | menotume | mucho gracias, quantumdot |
| 23:44.40 | brlcad | muchas gracias puntito ;) |
| 23:44.53 | quantumdot | hehe |
| 23:45.14 | menotume | show-off :P |
| 23:46.38 | brlcad | ~dict tume |
| 23:46.59 | brlcad | casi como hombresonido |
| 23:47.18 | menotume | ~dict monotone |
| 23:47.26 | menotume | ~dict metronome |
| 23:47.37 | menotume | ~dict menotume |
| 23:47.42 | tankzilla | lol |
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