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| 00:27.21 | brlcad | CBG: you'd have to use the latest branch sources and compile with a couple flags to get a universal proper |
| 00:28.36 | SportChick | ~sushi brlcad |
| 00:28.48 | ibot | ACTION fishes madly all day long & brings the very best back, filets it carefully and serves brlcad the best, freshest sushi ever |
| 00:28.56 | blast007 | hrm, anyone know if Visual Studio 2005 Professional has the Debug/Release build configuration selection? |
| 00:29.16 | blast007 | I see it on my Team Suite edition, but someone else has Pro and we can't seem to find it |
| 00:29.17 | brlcad | SportChick: been there done that.. lunch ;) |
| 00:29.19 | brlcad | thx |
| 00:29.34 | brlcad | blast007: of course it does :) |
| 00:29.47 | brlcad | it's even on the default toolbars |
| 00:29.53 | brlcad | iirc |
| 00:30.09 | blast007 | I know it has to somewhere...but it wasn't in the Build menu, the Project properties page, or on the standard toolbar |
| 00:30.36 | blast007 | and I'm not looking at their screen myself (phone support) or else I might be able to see what's wrong |
| 00:30.55 | SportChick | brlcad: ;) |
| 00:32.56 | brlcad | blast007: should be a drop-down like: http://www.sharewareplaza.com/images/screenshot/23380.gif |
| 00:33.11 | brlcad | it's also under the project settings |
| 00:33.14 | blast007 | yup, that's how it looks for me too |
| 00:34.11 | brlcad | maybe have them turn on all toolbars for kicks |
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| 01:01.43 | LongDon | To make phpbb2 ldap compatible much work has to be done. Several files must be patched *manually* |
| 01:01.51 | LongDon | bbl |
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| 01:21.42 | DTRemenak | ibot: botmail for LongDon: there's a patch in the bugs tracker for the phpbb2 ldap auth project, so you don't actually have to do manual patching |
| 01:24.44 | DTRemenak | blast007: my copy of 2k5 pro has the dropdown in the standard toolbar too. Alternatively, Build->Configuration Manager, and select it there. |
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| 01:40.54 | Lifeson-Lee | anyone alive here? |
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| 02:01.44 | blast007 | DTRemenak: okay, not sure what the difference was with her copy |
| 02:01.51 | blast007 | we couldn't find it on that menu either |
| 02:02.16 | DTRemenak | you sure it was c++/c#, not one of the other products? |
| 02:03.09 | blast007 | it was VB.NET |
| 02:03.38 | DTRemenak | vb does not have build configurations |
| 02:03.44 | blast007 | it does in Team Suite |
| 02:04.01 | DTRemenak | unless they changed something from 2k3 |
| 02:04.07 | blast007 | this is 2005 |
| 02:04.16 | blast007 | I haven't checked 2003 |
| 02:04.58 | blast007 | hmm, 2003 has it too |
| 02:05.04 | DTRemenak | yup, looks like vb8 has it |
| 02:05.36 | DTRemenak | including configuration manager |
| 02:05.41 | blast007 | at least the Debug/Release option in 2003 |
| 02:08.37 | blast007 | and I don't have an identical copy of Visual Studo 2005 to compare what the student has |
| 02:08.43 | blast007 | only the MSDN trial copy we have |
| 02:08.59 | blast007 | (or the MSDN full version, both of which are Team Suite afaik) |
| 02:10.38 | DTRemenak | I've got the plain old 2005 professional |
| 02:11.09 | blast007 | ok |
| 02:11.16 | blast007 | strange |
| 02:11.37 | blast007 | guess I'll have to have them send me a screenshot |
| 02:12.03 | blast007 | the hard part is they're using the 2005 version for the 2003 courses and exams |
| 02:12.09 | blast007 | so lots of stuff has changed |
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| 02:42.01 | randomparticle | do you know if 10.4.9 includes new ati drivers, jeff? |
| 02:42.54 | jeffm2501 | dunno |
| 02:43.33 | randomparticle | hmm.. curious. there is mention of that here: |
| 02:43.34 | randomparticle | Updated ATI and NVIDIA graphics drivers |
| 02:43.42 | randomparticle | http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/macosx1049comboupdateintel.html |
| 02:43.46 | randomparticle | but not here: |
| 02:43.56 | randomparticle | http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/macosx1049updateintel.html |
| 02:43.56 | jeffm2501 | umm ok |
| 02:44.11 | blast007 | email apple ;) |
| 02:44.18 | randomparticle | any idea why the combo and delta feature lists differ? |
| 02:44.34 | jeffm2501 | cus apple made it that way |
| 02:44.56 | randomparticle | profound :) |
| 02:45.08 | jeffm2501 | ask a silly, get a silly |
| 02:45.24 | randomparticle | well, you have a mac. just thought you might know |
| 02:45.35 | blast007 | the combo update is 310MB, which the other is 160MB, so the combo one has more stuff |
| 02:45.50 | jeffm2501 | apple keeps all that stuf close to the vest |
| 02:46.00 | randomparticle | the combo will update from 10.4.0->10.4.9, i've heard |
| 02:46.09 | jeffm2501 | they don't even let end users update there video card drivers |
| 02:46.15 | jeffm2501 | to me that's silly |
| 02:46.16 | randomparticle | so i'm wondering if the new drivers were in an earlier delta |
| 02:46.34 | jeffm2501 | should software update not just take you to the current verison of it all |
| 02:46.34 | jeffm2501 | ? |
| 02:46.41 | randomparticle | well, it might |
| 02:46.53 | jeffm2501 | I would think it damnwell better |
| 02:46.56 | jeffm2501 | as that's it's job |
| 02:47.11 | jeffm2501 | of it can' then that's a big failure on it's part |
| 02:47.17 | randomparticle | i'd hope so, but i wouldn't want to miss something because it was doing just the bare minimum and not including new drivesr |
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| 02:49.33 | jeffm2501 | if you are worried about that, and you have no way to get drivers, then you need to look at your choice of OS |
| 02:50.33 | randomparticle | the alternative is vista :) |
| 02:50.45 | jeffm2501 | hun? |
| 02:50.52 | jeffm2501 | there are a number of other options |
| 02:50.57 | randomparticle | well, i could buy xp.. but no point in investing in a dead-end OS at this time |
| 02:51.03 | jeffm2501 | but I think software update gives you what you need |
| 02:51.06 | randomparticle | especially since vista is hardly any more money |
| 02:51.08 | jeffm2501 | as it does per component stuff |
| 02:51.17 | jeffm2501 | I also think it only does drivers that change |
| 02:51.22 | jeffm2501 | some do, some don't |
| 02:51.44 | randomparticle | ok |
| 02:57.36 | randomparticle | i'll do the software update and see if the drivers change |
| 02:57.54 | randomparticle | brb |
| 02:57.58 | randomparticle | if all goes well :) |
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| 02:59.53 | alwaysanegatives | hye |
| 02:59.56 | alwaysanegatives | hey |
| 03:00.03 | eTangenT | yo |
| 03:00.12 | Legolas_ | hi |
| 03:00.47 | jeffm2501 | hello |
| 03:01.05 | alwaysanegatives | hi |
| 03:01.38 | alwaysanegatives | so, legolas, how do you use code to create a mesh? |
| 03:01.57 | Legolas_ | getting it for you |
| 03:02.05 | jeffm2501 | it's a lot more easy to use a modeler |
| 03:02.15 | alwaysanegatives | like bzedit? |
| 03:02.22 | jeffm2501 | oh god no |
| 03:02.25 | jeffm2501 | a real modeler |
| 03:02.31 | jeffm2501 | like blender |
| 03:02.35 | alwaysanegatives | oh, im new at map making |
| 03:02.37 | jeffm2501 | or wings |
| 03:02.43 | jeffm2501 | bzedit is old |
| 03:02.46 | jeffm2501 | dosn't suport meshes |
| 03:02.51 | alwaysanegatives | ugh, ive used blender, and its confusing |
| 03:03.32 | jeffm2501 | it is the only app that supports all of it |
| 03:03.44 | Legolas_ | yes jeff, he wants the code for the mesh, with 1 side jump through, other not. |
| 03:03.49 | jeffm2501 | your other option is to use something like wings3d and manualy paste the meshes in |
| 03:04.08 | jeffm2501 | save the map then :) |
| 03:04.12 | jeffm2501 | that's easy |
| 03:04.18 | alwaysanegatives | hmm |
| 03:04.18 | Legolas_ | here is a link |
| 03:04.20 | Legolas_ | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=9694&highlight=drive+one+side |
| 03:04.34 | Legolas_ | read that |
| 03:05.13 | Legolas_ | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/281402 that is a link with correct formatting, tho i doubt it matters. |
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| 03:05.42 | Legolas_ | btw, jeff, i cant get the bzw tools to import, they dont export. is trepan around? ever? |
| 03:05.56 | Legolas_ | i mean, i can only get them to import* |
| 03:06.11 | jeffm2501 | trepan didn't write those |
| 03:06.15 | jeffm2501 | so I dn't know why you need him |
| 03:06.22 | jeffm2501 | and no, he isn't around |
| 03:06.26 | Legolas_ | i meant teppic.. :( |
| 03:06.33 | jeffm2501 | yes teppic is often around |
| 03:06.34 | Legolas_ | yes del |
| 03:06.50 | Legolas_ | i had it working before, then i download the new blender and it wont work. |
| 03:06.51 | alwaysanegatives | so i control the position coordinates at the bottom of this code? |
| 03:06.59 | Legolas_ | i believe so. |
| 03:07.03 | Legolas_ | im on mac . |
| 03:07.29 | Legolas_ | eh? |
| 03:07.35 | jeffm2501 | what does a mac have to do with it |
| 03:07.42 | jeffm2501 | alwaysanegatives, yes that is the group instance. |
| 03:07.44 | Legolas_ | over where!? |
| 03:08.01 | Legolas_ | ??? |
| 03:08.04 | Legolas_ | what windo? |
| 03:08.06 | Legolas_ | window* |
| 03:08.10 | alwaysanegatives | ok |
| 03:08.18 | jeffm2501 | what are you talking about Legolas_ ? |
| 03:08.28 | Legolas_ | i dunno, he said over here, in this window.. |
| 03:08.37 | Legolas_ | heh... |
| 03:08.50 | Legolas_ | nvm jeff |
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| 03:09.25 | Legolas_ | thats better |
| 03:11.53 | alwaysanegatives | do i copy all of this code per mesh instance? |
| 03:12.14 | jeffm2501 | you just need to copy the group instance part |
| 03:12.16 | delusional_ | use groups |
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| 03:16.50 | alwaysanegatives | now, per mesh instance, within a group, do i just copy the "name, position, size" parts? or do i also copy the "group mesh" part as well? |
| 03:17.09 | jeffm2501 | hae you read the manpage? |
| 03:17.29 | alwaysanegatives | no, not really |
| 03:17.40 | jeffm2501 | you need to do the entire group part |
| 03:17.49 | jeffm2501 | but realy, read the docs, it helps with understanding |
| 03:18.02 | alwaysanegatives | ok, where are they, on the main bzflag site? |
| 03:18.02 | jeffm2501 | of your not willing to use blender, then you are going to be doing a lot of hand coding |
| 03:18.32 | jeffm2501 | http://my.bzflag.org/w/ |
| 03:18.40 | alwaysanegatives | thx |
| 03:19.05 | eTangenT | jeffm2501: you have a problem with hand coding? |
| 03:19.14 | jeffm2501 | nope |
| 03:19.14 | eTangenT | I could do more with hand coding than I could ever do in blender |
| 03:19.19 | eTangenT | just the way I am, I guess |
| 03:19.20 | eTangenT | :D |
| 03:19.30 | jeffm2501 | whatever floats your boat skip |
| 03:19.45 | jeffm2501 | your probably willing to read the manuals tho :) |
| 03:20.17 | eTangenT | "Oh! I bet that stopsign's position is around 150 175 10, size 0.01 1.5 1.5, rotation 0." |
| 03:20.27 | eTangenT | yeah, I spend a fair bit of time in the manual for coding |
| 03:20.42 | jeffm2501 | you have to, cus that's all ya got |
| 03:20.50 | jeffm2501 | blender does have a wackass interface |
| 03:21.04 | jeffm2501 | but it does work |
| 03:21.07 | eTangenT | yeah |
| 03:21.11 | eTangenT | I've tried blender a couple times |
| 03:21.22 | eTangenT | I almost threw something at my monitor the first time |
| 03:21.29 | jeffm2501 | heh |
| 03:21.34 | eTangenT | the second time I managed to make a really wacked out cube thing |
| 03:21.48 | jeffm2501 | hand coding complex meshes is dificult, you need to use some tool, even if it's nto blender |
| 03:23.14 | a_meteorite | doesn't louman partially handcode his maps? |
| 03:23.21 | eTangenT | jeff, agreed. |
| 03:23.27 | eTangenT | I don't do complex meshes, really. |
| 03:23.28 | jeffm2501 | nott the meshes |
| 03:23.38 | eTangenT | But speaking of modelers, I need to try Wings again. |
| 03:23.38 | jeffm2501 | lightwave, hand code, and his own tools |
| 03:23.47 | a_meteorite | ah |
| 03:23.49 | eTangenT | I think I remembered liking Wings |
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| 03:24.58 | jeffm2501 | he hand codes the phydrivs and links an the special stuff |
| 03:25.00 | nickle98 | RED BULL GIVZ J00 WINGZ! |
| 03:25.04 | jeffm2501 | not the geneometry |
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| 03:27.10 | alwaysanegatives | ok, when i start the server, the terminal window says that it doesnt recognize the perameter "matref" |
| 03:27.13 | delusional_ | etangent... if your using wings3d, remember the obj format save from bzflag client -saveworld -o test.bzw |
| 03:27.36 | eTangenT | thanks |
| 03:27.44 | jeffm2501 | alwaysanegatives, did you define the material your refrencing |
| 03:28.07 | alwaysanegatives | yes, i just replaced "box" with the group name |
| 03:28.25 | delusional_ | check the names of the material and matref |
| 03:29.25 | alwaysanegatives | the material is "standard_roof", both those lines were skipped |
| 03:30.29 | delusional_ | a good mapper needs to know how to use a modeler, and hand-code, this seems like a good time to mention a new IRC channel i started for mappers .... #bzw join it if you like. |
| 03:31.10 | delusional_ | err.. that would be ##bzw, with two ##'s |
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| 03:31.30 | alwaysanegatives | where would i join that at? |
| 03:31.43 | a_meteorite | /join ##bzw |
| 03:31.54 | jeffm2501 | he can't |
| 03:31.57 | jeffm2501 | he;s on webchat |
| 03:31.59 | alwaysanegatives | its blocked |
| 03:32.02 | a_meteorite | oh, CGI:IRC user? |
| 03:32.24 | alwaysanegatives | yeah |
| 03:32.34 | jeffm2501 | get a real irc client |
| 03:33.28 | jeffm2501 | tho we should add that to the acceptable list |
| 03:33.57 | a_meteorite | there's a few that are bzflag related |
| 03:34.25 | SportChick | jeffm2501: you lost your caps |
| 03:34.29 | jeffm2501 | yeah we have a list of them that are acceptable |
| 03:34.30 | jeffm2501 | I know |
| 03:34.32 | jeffm2501 | lapy |
| 03:34.53 | a_meteorite | lapy? you're on your laptop? |
| 03:35.46 | alwaysanegatives | okaaaay, i downloaded an irc client, unpacked it, and nothing was in the folder |
| 03:36.20 | a_meteorite | which one? |
| 03:36.45 | alwaysanegatives | ircle |
| 03:37.22 | a_meteorite | it's shareware, if you didn't know that |
| 03:37.29 | a_meteorite | colloquy is nice for the mac, and it's open-source |
| 03:38.24 | alwaysanegatives | ok, thx |
| 03:38.29 | JeffM2501 | or xchat |
| 03:38.56 | alwaysanegatives | yeah, im getting an 8.8KB a sec on colloquy |
| 03:39.09 | a_meteorite | trust me... you don't want to use x-chat on a mac if you like a mac experience :) |
| 03:39.21 | JeffM2501 | what are you talking about? |
| 03:39.22 | a_meteorite | but it's there, if you want it |
| 03:39.28 | JeffM2501 | xchat aqua works fine |
| 03:39.40 | JeffM2501 | it's got a box, you type in it |
| 03:39.40 | a_meteorite | it works, but it doesn't feel like a mac app |
| 03:39.43 | JeffM2501 | it works |
| 03:40.07 | JeffM2501 | ohh yeah, sorry it's not slow and flashy and dosn't have a confusing intterface |
| 03:40.07 | a_meteorite | in my experience, most mac users are picky with how their apps look |
| 03:40.17 | a_meteorite | colloquy isn't confusing at all :| |
| 03:40.25 | a_meteorite | I did use x-chat aqua too, I'm not making it up |
| 03:41.13 | eTangenT | KVIRC is annoying |
| 03:41.18 | eTangenT | XChat ain't bad |
| 03:41.19 | a_meteorite | he can use whatever he feels comfortable with... I'm just highly recommending colloquy first :) |
| 03:41.32 | eTangenT | Konversation is... well... *puke* |
| 03:41.37 | a_meteorite | eTangenT: it feels like a windows app on windows though |
| 03:43.35 | alwaysanegatives | 15.8 KB/S, rather slow for high speed internet |
| 03:44.34 | a_meteorite | it was never that slow for me, maybe a bad time to be downloading :) |
| 03:48.33 | Theme97 | eTangenT: X-Chat! |
| 03:48.35 | alwaysanegatives | what server is this run under? |
| 03:48.48 | eTangenT | ? |
| 03:48.55 | eTangenT | Theme97: irssi! |
| 03:49.02 | eTangenT | but I'm in KVIRC right now |
| 03:49.06 | eTangenT | it looks great |
| 03:49.07 | alwaysanegatives | irc.freenode.net, irc.macgeneration.com... |
| 03:49.09 | eTangenT | I like it a lot |
| 03:49.20 | eTangenT | the only problem is that switching windows is slow |
| 03:49.24 | eTangenT | kinda annoying |
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| 03:56.14 | blast007 | JeffM2501: I'm around now |
| 03:57.03 | JeffM2501 | can you check and see what channels we allow on the webIRC |
| 03:57.37 | JeffM2501 | I don't have ssh here in bed :) |
| 04:00.07 | blast007 | heh |
| 04:00.15 | blast007 | sure |
| 04:01.14 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 04:01.56 | blast007 | #bzflag,#bzchat,#bzleague,#dub,#guleague,#how,#ileague,#proxs,#silvercat,#bz-inc,#brlcad |
| 04:02.11 | blast007 | heh... iLeague can go ;) |
| 04:02.21 | SportChick | #bzleague forwards to ##ducleague |
| 04:02.38 | blast007 | SportChick: does it work in CGI:IRC too? |
| 04:03.01 | blast007 | guess I can try it |
| 04:04.26 | JeffM2501 | can you add #bzw |
| 04:04.29 | blast007 | sure |
| 04:04.34 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 04:04.39 | JeffM2501 | can you think of any others? |
| 04:04.39 | SportChick | blast007: dunno |
| 04:04.42 | JeffM2501 | that should be there? |
| 04:04.45 | blast007 | SportChick: just tried it |
| 04:05.04 | SportChick | #how really isn't used anymore from what i can tell |
| 04:05.10 | SportChick | the team was dissolved |
| 04:05.30 | SportChick | #proxs is empty |
| 04:05.33 | SportChick | but still registered |
| 04:05.34 | blast007 | should I change #bzleague to be ##guleague ? |
| 04:06.40 | SportChick | blast007: no |
| 04:06.41 | JeffM2501 | if it's empty pull it |
| 04:06.45 | SportChick | blast007: ##ducleague |
| 04:06.46 | blast007 | SportChick: ok |
| 04:06.48 | blast007 | er |
| 04:06.54 | JeffM2501 | if gu isn't on there add it |
| 04:07.04 | JeffM2501 | and make the one that forwards go to the right one |
| 04:07.09 | SportChick | the league channels are ##ducleague, #guleague and #pillbox |
| 04:07.20 | blast007 | yeah, ##ducleague, that's what I said *gets whiteout* |
| 04:08.01 | SportChick | blast007: hehe |
| 04:08.11 | blast007 | so change it to that then? |
| 04:08.12 | SportChick | there are hundreds of league channels now |
| 04:08.17 | SportChick | blast007: I would |
| 04:08.20 | blast007 | ok |
| 04:08.57 | SportChick | err |
| 04:08.57 | SportChick | s/league/team/ |
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| 04:12.40 | SportChick | blast007: you might want to add #hepcat |
| 04:12.45 | blast007 | ok |
| 04:13.03 | SportChick | there may be another, but I need to get Thumper's attention |
| 04:13.06 | cosmos | yes i approve |
| 04:13.10 | cosmos | #hepcat that is |
| 04:13.39 | blast007 | SportChick: okay, how's the list look now? |
| 04:13.40 | blast007 | #bzflag,#bzchat,#bzw,##guleague,#dub,#guleague,#proxs,#silvercat,#hepcat,#bz-inc,#brlcad |
| 04:13.54 | SportChick | blast007: you're funny |
| 04:14.00 | SportChick | blast007: it's not ##guleague |
| 04:14.06 | SportChick | it's #guleague and ##ducleague :D |
| 04:14.08 | blast007 | gah.... |
| 04:14.15 | JeffM2501 | should get those fixed |
| 04:14.15 | blast007 | long day |
| 04:14.53 | blast007 | okay, *snip* #bzw,##ducleague,#dub,#guleague, *snip* |
| 04:14.58 | blast007 | better? ;) |
| 04:15.12 | SportChick | better :) |
| 04:15.25 | SportChick | oh |
| 04:15.27 | SportChick | wait, |
| 04:15.37 | SportChick | blast007: bz-inc is now ##bz-inc |
| 04:15.40 | blast007 | k |
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| 04:16.02 | blast007 | updated |
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| 06:06.29 | brlcad | #bzw? |
| 06:08.21 | brlcad | ahh |
| 06:08.54 | blast007 | ah, should be ##bzw |
| 06:13.24 | brlcad | i just hadn't read that far back, it was a newbie |
| 06:18.27 | JeffM2501 | what character set is the phpbb dumps in? |
| 06:18.38 | JeffM2501 | utf8 or latin1? |
| 06:21.10 | brlcad | quick google seems to indicate latin1, but sit just a rough search |
| 06:26.38 | JeffM2501 | it imported with utf8 :) |
| 06:33.46 | JeffM2501 | now to just find out where it stores it's domain |
| 06:36.14 | JeffM2501 | yay, it worked |
| 06:36.22 | JeffM2501 | one copy of bzbb working on windows :) |
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| 13:15.28 | BenjaminSisko | hi |
| 13:16.43 | TheRedBaron | morning |
| 13:16.55 | TheRedBaron | hrm |
| 13:17.03 | TheRedBaron | my morning breath must be worse than i thought |
| 13:20.04 | blast007 | :) |
| 13:22.18 | blast007 | hehe |
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| 15:15.37 | donny_baker | BZBB admin: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=10383 |
| 15:26.14 | cosmos | who is laserball2 |
| 15:28.17 | TheRedBaron | cosmos: a munchkin |
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| 15:30.12 | cosmos | well im not voting for either! |
| 15:30.49 | donny_baker | unfortunatelly, i did for one of them ONCE |
| 15:33.14 | Thumper_ | blast007: ping |
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| 15:44.21 | cosmos | i missed the first gw election due to getting sent away on business 3 days before the election and not having an absentee registration. i voted for myself in 2004. |
| 15:44.29 | cosmos | i did vote for his father eons ago though |
| 15:51.00 | cosmos | dont worry ill be making a strong bid in 2008 |
| 15:51.37 | cosmos | i promise to make all senators and representatives wear clown suits while in session |
| 15:52.14 | JBdiGriz | He promises the world, and will only deliver clown noses. ;) |
| 16:27.37 | ts | ~spell behaviour |
| 16:28.20 | ts | Hmm, I thought it was correct spelled :/ |
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| 16:31.15 | ts | Erroneous: What's the bzflag way of spelling behaviour/behavior? Which one should I choose? |
| 16:32.08 | Erroneous | ts: default bzflag locale is en_us, so behavior |
| 16:32.33 | Erroneous | if it's a user-visible string at least |
| 16:32.37 | ts | ah, ok |
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| 16:32.40 | Erroneous | if it's not user-visible, it doesn't matter |
| 16:33.12 | ts | Not user visible but now I know en-us.. |
| 16:34.11 | ts | http://bzflag.cvs.sourceforge.net/bzflag/bzflag/src/bzadmin/BZAdminClient.h?revision=2.8&view=markup has behaviour :) |
| 16:34.32 | Erroneous | yeah, in comments it doesn't matter |
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| 16:34.52 | Erroneous | behaviour is the uk spelling |
| 16:35.46 | ts | I'm not having so much passion about spelling ;) |
| 16:36.56 | ts | That video Jeff mentioned yesterday was a great one, I watched it this morning |
| 16:43.19 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03t-s * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/LocalPlayer.cxx: Use a compensation factor when backing off walls to ensure all tanks behave the same way, even when they have different FPS |
| 16:44.51 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03t-s * 10bzflag/include/PlayerState.h: WS |
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| 16:48.01 | blast007 | Thumper_: pong |
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| 16:50.47 | Thumper_ | I added this to the topic line ;) |
| 16:50.48 | Thumper_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.33 | Thumper_ | doh wc |
| 16:51.46 | blast007 | hehe |
| 16:52.10 | Thumper_ | blast007: that was for you anyway :) |
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| 16:54.50 | CBG | [12:27am] <brlcad> CBG: you'd have to use the latest branch sources and compile with a couple flags to get a universal proper |
| 16:54.55 | CBG | I'd not be looking for a universal build, just an Intel one - I assume. My problem is using a PPC build on an Intel machine - which I hadn't even thought about until I mentioned it last night. |
| 17:00.00 | brlcad | there are also some other portability communication issues |
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| 17:00.11 | brlcad | CBG: there are also some other portability communication issues |
| 17:00.17 | brlcad | you should probably still use the branch |
| 17:01.23 | CBG | There's a specific mac intel branch? :/ |
| 17:01.53 | brlcad | no |
| 17:02.07 | CBG | "the branch"? |
| 17:02.13 | brlcad | v2_0branch |
| 17:02.45 | CBG | The client I am using now was built from 2.0 source on my PPC ibook. |
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| 17:05.50 | brlcad | CBG: yes, and? .. there are various versions of 2.0 .. more to the point, i'm saying that there have been useful fixes relevant to the Mac build made since the last 2.0.8 source release |
| 17:06.39 | CBG | It was 2.0.9 from CVS around the end of January. |
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| 17:07.24 | CBG | I'm not actually sure what we're discussing - I pointed out that my client was hanging on me and then suddenly realised that it was a PPC build and that that was probably the reason. |
| 17:09.35 | brlcad | that is what started the discussion.. they "using a ppc build on intel" problem should have been fixed quite a while ago on 2.0.9, though I don't recall exactly when (certainly before january) |
| 17:09.46 | brlcad | might have just been a "normal" lighting bug hang too |
| 17:09.49 | CBG | Oh, I see. |
| 17:10.22 | CBG | Well, it happened twice in as many days, after a couple weeks of uninterrupted use. |
| 17:10.57 | brlcad | on the right maps, I can get the lighting bug to happen just about every time I run bz (on the right maps) |
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| 17:11.47 | CBG | brlcad: I'll just live with it until I can be bothered to (try to) build fresh on this intel. |
| 17:12.22 | brlcad | or try turning off lighting, see if the problem goes away |
| 17:12.31 | CBG | Ok, thanks. |
| 17:12.49 | CBG | On an entirely different topic, can I get a conclusive answer on this please... Can objects move in bzflag? I was shown a mesh with drawinfo stuff last night - looked to me like it was just a textureMatrix. |
| 17:13.32 | brlcad | tanks move, shots move |
| 17:13.48 | CBG | but map objects? |
| 17:13.51 | brlcad | nope |
| 17:14.03 | CBG | And I can quote you on that? |
| 17:14.03 | ts | They can but you can not touch them |
| 17:14.06 | JeffM2501 | there are ways to make it apear as stuff moves |
| 17:14.10 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:14.12 | brlcad | sure |
| 17:14.14 | ts | Shots will go through, too |
| 17:14.17 | JeffM2501 | there is no general animation stuff |
| 17:14.25 | CBG | yep, you're describing what I saw. |
| 17:14.26 | JeffM2501 | but there are a few things you can do for visual movement |
| 17:14.34 | JeffM2501 | but they won't be synced |
| 17:14.39 | JeffM2501 | and can not interact |
| 17:15.07 | brlcad | yeah, you can simulate movement, like putting a physics driver on a platform so that it entirely acts like it is rotating, along with a rotating texture |
| 17:15.13 | brlcad | but geometricly, it's not moving |
| 17:15.35 | JeffM2501 | brlcad trepan put in some transforms, that IIRC, can move geometry |
| 17:15.35 | brlcad | ~spell geometricly |
| 17:15.45 | JeffM2501 | as part of his drawinfo |
| 17:16.22 | CBG | thanks guys, pasting this on the bb |
| 17:16.36 | JeffM2501 | CBG I'd rather you didn't |
| 17:16.40 | JeffM2501 | it's not well documented |
| 17:16.43 | brlcad | hmm.. that'd be news to me, the clients certainly don't rebuild their geometry |
| 17:16.44 | JeffM2501 | and people will take it wrong |
| 17:17.02 | CBG | Someone is insisting that objects can move with drawinfos |
| 17:17.03 | JeffM2501 | CBG it also needs clients over a specific version |
| 17:17.09 | JeffM2501 | CBG who and where? |
| 17:17.10 | CBG | and that it has already been done. |
| 17:17.12 | brlcad | at least last time I looked at the spatial partitioning, it was a fixed structure |
| 17:17.15 | brlcad | on or off |
| 17:17.26 | JeffM2501 | trepan did some 1/2 ass tricky stuff |
| 17:17.27 | CBG | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=104218#104218 |
| 17:17.59 | brlcad | mostly "cinematic" effects, along with the physics drivers |
| 17:18.08 | JeffM2501 | the problem is CBG, it was never finsished so some stuff works, some dosn't |
| 17:18.44 | CBG | I aske dif I could quote the "no" part of the conversation, is that still ok? |
| 17:18.46 | CBG | asked if* |
| 17:19.05 | brlcad | and it would have to be incredibly limited/buggy if geometry actually moved more than a little bit .. I just can't see the shot's interacting correctly with dynamic geometry without other changes |
| 17:19.35 | JeffM2501 | brlcad that is why it has to be shoot thru and draw thru |
| 17:19.38 | Erroneous | only works for passthru |
| 17:19.45 | brlcad | heh |
| 17:19.51 | JeffM2501 | or you define a collisoon volume. |
| 17:20.09 | brlcad | that's some funky cheese whiz |
| 17:20.16 | JeffM2501 | it is very funky |
| 17:20.17 | Erroneous | hehe |
| 17:20.22 | CBG | so it's less useful than a texturematrix ? |
| 17:21.06 | JeffM2501 | it's similar to a texture matrix but for geometry |
| 17:21.10 | CBG | JeffM2501: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=104228#104228 - rm it if that'll float your boat |
| 17:21.12 | JeffM2501 | and at least texture matrix is documented |
| 17:25.01 | CBG | trepan has left? for good or on holiday? |
| 17:26.09 | JeffM2501 | dude he quit long ago man |
| 17:26.13 | JeffM2501 | long long ago |
| 17:26.23 | CBG | years? |
| 17:26.34 | JeffM2501 | geting close to a year now IIRC |
| 17:26.44 | CBG | wow, had no idea |
| 17:26.56 | JeffM2501 | when was the last time you've seen him commit? |
| 17:27.05 | JeffM2501 | other then when he pulled all his code out of the project. |
| 17:27.05 | CBG | I don't watch commits. |
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| 17:27.43 | Erroneous | he committed in december, JeffM2501 |
| 17:27.50 | JeffM2501 | he did? |
| 17:27.51 | JeffM2501 | what? |
| 17:27.57 | Erroneous | fix to some shadow thing |
| 17:28.15 | Erroneous | probably a shadowed variable |
| 17:28.21 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 17:28.26 | Erroneous | commit message was just "fix the shadow" |
| 17:28.41 | JeffM2501 | he probably tried to build and someone busted him :) |
| 17:28.48 | Erroneous | prolly |
| 17:29.06 | JeffM2501 | before that was july |
| 17:29.08 | Erroneous | course before that his last commit was july |
| 17:33.27 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03t-s * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/LocalPlayer.cxx: err, just lower the TinyDistance variable |
| 17:33.33 | brlcad | so, 7 months give or take a month |
| 17:33.58 | CBG | yeah... wow |
| 17:50.38 | JeffM2501 | what a fun joy filled bzbb day :/ |
| 17:54.30 | Erroneous | heh |
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| 18:05.48 | Thumper_ | ~donny_baker++ |
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| 18:20.31 | donny_baker | ~karma |
| 18:20.31 | ibot | donny_baker has karma of 15 |
| 18:26.29 | Erroneous | ~donny_baker++ |
| 18:35.00 | donny_baker | http://code.google.com/p/bzfs-qweb/ |
| 18:45.34 | JeffM2501 | now that's a good quote "eternity is a very long time, especially towards the end" |
| 18:55.27 | Thumper_ | !donny_baker++ |
| 18:55.32 | Thumper_ | ~donny_baker++ |
| 18:55.56 | brlcad | "qweb"? |
| 18:57.03 | brlcad | donny_baker: I always thought it would be great to have a bzfs option to listen on a specified port in order to interact with the server via http |
| 18:57.21 | brlcad | so you could manage a server and view stats with a web browser interface |
| 18:57.52 | JeffM2501 | you could do that with a plug-in ;) |
| 18:58.09 | brlcad | heh |
| 18:58.16 | Thumper_ | Is there an easy way to convert a std::string to all lowercase or do I have to write a specific function for that? (I just want to compare string1 with string2 without it being case sensitive |
| 18:58.25 | Thumper_ | ) |
| 18:58.27 | brlcad | timer loop could get funky with a plug-in i'd think |
| 18:58.30 | JeffM2501 | Thumper_ tolower |
| 18:58.37 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: thx :) |
| 18:58.51 | JeffM2501 | shuld be exposed in the api, and in the plug-in utils |
| 18:58.54 | brlcad | i'd want http traffic forked off to another thread myself .. then we have the usual multithreading issues |
| 18:59.35 | brlcad | i swear someone asked that exact same thing like two years ago, whilst talking about bzfs httpd interface |
| 18:59.37 | JeffM2501 | brlcad fork it inside, or out, I don't think it would matter |
| 18:59.50 | brlcad | yeah, that's a separate problem |
| 18:59.50 | Thumper_ | and you need some kind of auth so you can control who can tweak what via the http: interface |
| 19:00.25 | brlcad | yeah, like picking a tiny httpd implementation that supports https |
| 19:00.48 | brlcad | hook that to the login system |
| 19:06.26 | donny_baker | brlcad: I saw that out on the google code page and thought it would interest some here :) |
| 19:06.34 | donny_baker | looks like it was created 6 days ago |
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| 19:11.25 | menotume | ~seen Chestal |
| 19:11.54 | ibot | chestal is currently on #bzflag ##ducleague. Has said a total of 17 messages. Is idling for 22h 35s, last said: 'aua'. |
| 19:11.54 | menotume | !seen Chestal |
| 19:13.37 | brlcad | aua |
| 19:13.54 | brlcad | donny_baker: ahh, not your creation |
| 19:14.00 | menotume | ibot: a little slow today are we ? |
| 19:14.03 | ibot | menotume: okay |
| 19:14.11 | brlcad | heh |
| 19:14.14 | menotume | hmm |
| 19:14.25 | brlcad | ~a little slow today |
| 19:15.16 | donny_baker | brlcad: no, not mine, I was just looking at the "Summer of Code" stuff and did a search on bzflag to see if anything was out there |
| 19:16.19 | JeffM2501 | did we make it? |
| 19:16.27 | brlcad | they're not announced yet |
| 19:16.31 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 19:16.31 | brlcad | "sometime today" |
| 19:19.41 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 19:26.42 | menotume | <ibot> someone said that "a little slow today" are we |
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| 19:27.59 | menotume | JeffM got an upgrade !!! |
| 19:28.48 | TheRedBaron | menotume: Jeffm is propagating !!!! |
| 19:29.32 | Jeffm2502 | or im just on the laptop |
| 19:29.41 | TheRedBaron | too easy |
| 19:34.22 | brlcad | ~"a little slow today" |
| 19:34.48 | brlcad | oh well, stupid lack of space recognition :) |
| 19:42.01 | Erroneous | heh, thought you said speech recognition there, and was thinking "how would you play bzflag with speech recognition..."? |
| 19:42.26 | JeffM2501 | "left".. " I SAID LEFT" |
| 19:46.00 | Erroneous | could be kinda fun to have voice-controlled autopilot though... "pursue learner. ricochet off the wall to the left. hold your fire. dodge. fire. pick up the flag. dodge. return to base." |
| 19:47.05 | Erroneous | then you could rig it to control the whole team...semi-autonomous team play, rts style :) |
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| 19:50.12 | brlcad | Erroneous: heh |
| 19:50.52 | brlcad | yeah and "gaahhh! ffs!" .. only to see in console, "Error: unable to identify s* to f*" |
| 19:51.55 | TheRedBaron | "cannot identify player: "learner you ********" ;) |
| 19:52.44 | Erroneous | console? it should talk back to you in that nice soothing star trek computer voice :) |
| 19:56.22 | brlcad | "I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that" |
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| 20:02.10 | ndim | *** glibc detected *** /usr/bin/bzflag: free(): invalid pointer |
| 20:02.12 | ndim | Yay. |
| 20:05.48 | Erroneous | woohoo |
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| 20:25.07 | lodxcol | on a map, how would I remove those far away mountains? |
| 20:25.45 | JeffM2501 | IIRC there is a bzdb var for it |
| 20:27.03 | JeffM2501 | _drawMountans |
| 20:27.11 | JeffM2501 | set that to 0 |
| 20:27.15 | lodxcol | ah ok, thanks |
| 20:27.19 | JeffM2501 | but spell it right :) |
| 20:27.22 | JeffM2501 | unlike I did |
| 20:27.27 | lodxcol | heh |
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| 20:58.16 | Chestal | apropos |
| 20:58.19 | Chestal | oopsa |
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| 21:10.13 | brlcad | ~apropos oopsa |
| 21:10.14 | ibot | oopsa: nothing appropriate |
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| 21:21.50 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03bthansen * 10bzflag/plugins/plugin_utils/ (PluginConfig.cpp PluginConfig.h): |
| 21:21.50 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: Make section and key names ignore case |
| 21:21.50 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: Add some usage documentation to the header file |
| 21:22.34 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03bthansen 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/plugins/plugin_utils/ (PluginConfig.cpp PluginConfig.h): |
| 21:22.34 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: Make section and key names ignore case |
| 21:22.34 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: Add some usage documentation to the header file |
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| 22:09.22 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03atupone 07v2_0_cs_branch * 10bzflag/data/world: Making it outdoor, and remove lighting for now |
| 22:10.11 | tupone_laptop | JeffM2501, I removed lighting for now as the lightmap are way to big :( |
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| 22:13.38 | xlaurenx131 | hello? |
| 22:14.18 | xlaurenx131 | i need a little help!!!!!!!! |
| 22:14.36 | tupone_laptop | little? |
| 22:14.47 | xlaurenx131 | no a big one |
| 22:15.00 | tupone_laptop | ~ask |
| 22:15.18 | ibot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there, just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily. |
| 22:15.19 | xlaurenx131 | how do i make bots on a p.c.? |
| 22:15.43 | tupone_laptop | I get you are on windows. Aren't you? |
| 22:15.49 | xlaurenx131 | ya |
| 22:15.55 | randomparticle | that ibot advice is silly |
| 22:16.04 | xlaurenx131 | yas i no |
| 22:16.12 | xlaurenx131 | ya*** |
| 22:16.24 | randomparticle | some questions are very long. it's a good idea to ask if you should ask it first |
| 22:16.32 | tupone_laptop | I cannot help then, I'm a linux man |
| 22:16.41 | xlaurenx131 | grr then |
| 22:16.46 | randomparticle | no point in writing a 500 word question and then finding nobody can answer it |
| 22:16.58 | xlaurenx131 | how do i get bots on a p.c. |
| 22:16.59 | tupone_laptop | or open a command windows, and the start bzflag -solo 6 for 6 bot |
| 22:17.20 | *** join/#bzflag Blue_Eyes (n=Blue@host235-137-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 22:17.21 | xlaurenx131 | wat is that im new at this |
| 22:18.16 | xlaurenx131 | hello??? |
| 22:18.50 | tupone_laptop | start->exec->cmd |
| 22:18.58 | tupone_laptop | bzflag -solo 6 |
| 22:19.08 | xlaurenx131 | wat is that? |
| 22:19.12 | lodxcol | xlaurenx131: click start > then click run > type cmd |
| 22:19.21 | lodxcol | can you do that? |
| 22:19.44 | xlaurenx131 | omg i have no clue wat ur talking about |
| 22:20.04 | lodxcol | the start button, at the bottom left hand corner of your screen |
| 22:20.06 | lodxcol | see it? |
| 22:20.25 | xlaurenx131 | no there is no start button |
| 22:20.36 | lodxcol | then you cannot be helped. |
| 22:20.43 | xlaurenx131 | grrrrr |
| 22:21.16 | tupone_laptop | what is written at your left down corner of the screen? |
| 22:21.33 | xlaurenx131 | #bzflag |
| 22:22.15 | tupone_laptop | more down and more left |
| 22:22.30 | tupone_laptop | how do you poweroff your computer? |
| 22:22.35 | xlaurenx131 | i cant go down any more |
| 22:23.08 | xlaurenx131 | ohh that nvm |
| 22:23.09 | tupone_laptop | or how do you start bzflag? |
| 22:23.44 | xlaurenx131 | wat do i do after i press it? |
| 22:24.04 | lodxcol | is there something that says "run" or "run command"? |
| 22:24.10 | xlaurenx131 | ya |
| 22:24.14 | lodxcol | click it |
| 22:24.22 | lodxcol | does a box open up? |
| 22:24.31 | xlaurenx131 | ya |
| 22:24.50 | lodxcol | type "cmd" without the quotes, and press enter |
| 22:25.10 | lodxcol | does a black box open up? |
| 22:25.29 | xlaurenx131 | ya |
| 22:25.42 | lodxcol | ok, do you know what version of BZFlag you're running? |
| 22:25.46 | brlcad | randomparticle: it never said "ask a 500 word question" .. that wouldn't be a "better question" |
| 22:25.53 | xlaurenx131 | ya 2.0.4 |
| 22:26.05 | brlcad | but to ask "can I ask a question", is a complete waste of time |
| 22:26.05 | lodxcol | ok, try typing this into the black box |
| 22:26.19 | Jeffm2502 | tupone_laptop, I had a lighmap? |
| 22:26.36 | lodxcol | C:\Program*Files\BZFlag2.0.4\bzflag.exe -solo 2 |
| 22:26.47 | tupone_laptop | is automatically generated for each mesh-thing object |
| 22:26.57 | Jeffm2502 | ahh |
| 22:27.03 | lodxcol | that will open up a client (assuming the path is correct) and whatever server you join, two bots will join with you |
| 22:27.30 | tupone_laptop | there is a lighmap pixel any 16x16 pixel |
| 22:27.40 | tupone_laptop | so they are too big :( |
| 22:27.58 | tupone_laptop | Maybe we need to specify more faces, even if they are planar |
| 22:28.41 | xlaurenx131 | it didnt work |
| 22:28.50 | lodxcol | what happened? |
| 22:29.02 | lodxcol | can you tell me what the black box said to you? |
| 22:29.07 | xlaurenx131 | it said this path has not been reached |
| 22:29.31 | lodxcol | ok, click your start button, then click my computer |
| 22:29.47 | tupone_laptop | I have seem something good about sky, but then framerate jumped at 30 FPS, maybe we can update not anytime. However, I were not able to make it really good. |
| 22:30.00 | tupone_laptop | I used a skybox, maybe I need a skydome |
| 22:30.07 | lodxcol | xlaurenx131: does a window open up? |
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| 22:30.15 | xlaurenx131 | i dont have that sry i have to go to dinner ill be on later ttyl |
| 22:30.22 | lodxcol | ok |
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| 22:33.48 | randomparticle | ok, brlcad. but sometimes the question is quite involved. better to get an idea if it can be answered before wading in, no? |
| 22:34.51 | randomparticle | there is a reason why people say "hi" and "can i ask this question?" etc etc. it's more than just a courtesy. |
| 22:35.25 | randomparticle | ibots rules are inhuman and crass :) |
| 22:35.56 | brlcad | the point is to skip that first step |
| 22:36.11 | randomparticle | i think the first step is important often |
| 22:36.33 | brlcad | ask the question, think about what you really need to ask as an essential other than "can I ask" first |
| 22:36.43 | brlcad | asking to ask is pointless |
| 22:37.06 | randomparticle | no it isn't. .what is pointless is asking a complex question that nobody present can answer |
| 22:37.31 | brlcad | so don't ask a complex question, ask a well-phrased one that lets you know if you need to go into detail |
| 22:37.39 | brlcad | assume they said "yes" to the "can I ask a question" |
| 22:37.49 | randomparticle | if all questions could be reduced to a mere handful of words, then it wouldn't be an issue |
| 22:37.54 | SportChick | hi randomparticle |
| 22:37.56 | brlcad | that doesn't mean give your brain dump of the problem |
| 22:38.13 | brlcad | every problem can be broken down, if it can be articulated at all |
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| 22:39.03 | randomparticle | i would agree that asking "can i ask a question?" is not the best way of going about it |
| 22:39.06 | brlcad | two sentances or one long well-crafted one is a far cry from a 500 word dissertation |
| 22:39.08 | xlaurenx131 | im back!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:39.36 | randomparticle | but asking "can i ask a question about xyz?" is surely not a bad idea |
| 22:39.46 | randomparticle | it helps keep things on-topic |
| 22:39.47 | xlaurenx131 | ?? |
| 22:39.51 | xlaurenx131 | ?????? |
| 22:40.04 | xlaurenx131 | u people r weird!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:40.07 | brlcad | randomparticle: if it was questionably on/off topic --perhaps |
| 22:40.11 | brlcad | xlaurenx131: please stop that |
| 22:40.26 | xlaurenx131 | watev |
| 22:41.22 | xlaurenx131 | can any of u do a backflip not on a trampoline??? |
| 22:41.57 | xlaurenx131 | didnt think so |
| 22:41.59 | Jeffm2502 | wtf? |
| 22:42.02 | brlcad | randomparticle: the problem (and vastly more prevalent occurance) though is that xyz is usually already either quite on-topic or way off-topic, it's rare to be borderline |
| 22:42.10 | Jeffm2502 | the botter againg? |
| 22:42.26 | brlcad | young'ns |
| 22:42.32 | tupone_laptop | http://my.bzflag.org/w/CrystalSpace_client |
| 22:42.33 | randomparticle | maybe i just don't get irc |
| 22:42.36 | xlaurenx131 | wtf to u!!!!! |
| 22:42.39 | Jeffm2502 | sping bewK Is here |
| 22:42.44 | tupone_laptop | I added a pic, maybe is too big |
| 22:42.47 | randomparticle | i'm used to saying hello, may i, i wonder if, ... |
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| 22:43.00 | brlcad | xlaurenx131: you're borderline going to be removed from the channel if you continue |
| 22:43.01 | randomparticle | all part of everyday interaction and drummed into me by my parents |
| 22:43.19 | Jeffm2502 | tupone_laptop, nice |
| 22:43.39 | Jeffm2502 | I see you got te chat working |
| 22:43.39 | brlcad | tupone_laptop: sweet :) |
| 22:43.40 | tupone_laptop | :) still full of problem, but going better |
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| 22:45.24 | brlcad | randomparticle: it really should make sense when you think of it from the perspective of what is immediately efficient to the folks you are speaking to -- if you remove the usual in-person protocol's of introductions and side stepping of points for politeness, it makes more sense |
| 22:46.02 | brlcad | the questions come in all the time, the interactions constant, so the preferred/expected protocol is to be efficient, not rude or polite, but getting to the point quickly |
| 22:46.16 | brlcad | and concisely |
| 22:46.27 | randomparticle | well, here's another situation: there's a topic being discussed |
| 22:46.43 | randomparticle | someone joins the channel and asks a question |
| 22:46.46 | randomparticle | but.. |
| 22:47.11 | randomparticle | everyone is so caught up in what they're discussing, asking the question is a waste of time |
| 22:47.56 | randomparticle | for example, jeffm and some others were discussing what would make bzflag more popular. someone turned up to say they had a problem with bzflag. nobody helped him |
| 22:47.57 | brlcad | a waste of yours perhaps, but not theirs -- that's the distinction |
| 22:48.20 | brlcad | granted, it's a more self-centered perspective, but it's overall more efficient |
| 22:48.59 | brlcad | the alternative wastes N peoples time, not getting your well-crafted question answered only wasted 1 person's time |
| 22:49.07 | randomparticle | presumably no more a waste of theirs than if they'd read a "can i ask" question |
| 22:49.28 | Jeffm2502 | IRC is about more then one convo |
| 22:49.31 | brlcad | only way to avoid that is to listen in on the channel and become familiar with when is a good time |
| 22:50.02 | randomparticle | yeah, but if some noob turns up, how are they to know? |
| 22:50.25 | Jeffm2502 | we should take the time to let them know |
| 22:50.28 | randomparticle | it depends on things they cannot know, like the habits of those present |
| 22:50.38 | brlcad | it's not presumably no more a waste.. it is more of a waste to have all resident listeners wait for you to get to the point or respond with a subtle "yes" |
| 22:50.38 | Jeffm2502 | that is why we should help them |
| 22:51.09 | brlcad | yeah, you can generally differentiate the newbs, hopefully politely inform them of the protocol |
| 22:51.42 | Jeffm2502 | unless they have asked the question, got the answer, and are just buging asking it again |
| 22:51.52 | Jeffm2502 | as was the case last time that lauren person was here |
| 22:52.03 | randomparticle | there was a certain irony about that situation i recall. the discussion was about a tutorial mode to help beginners. meanwhile this beginner turned up who was having difficulty and nobody said a word to him :) |
| 22:52.26 | Jeffm2502 | it can hapen, it's unfortonate |
| 22:52.36 | Jeffm2502 | tho if you noticed it, how come you didn't help out? |
| 22:52.43 | Jeffm2502 | or point it out? |
| 22:53.10 | randomparticle | well, i could have said "can you help xyz?" but then that would be inefficient, no> |
| 22:53.12 | randomparticle | ? |
| 22:53.29 | Jeffm2502 | who cares about efficency |
| 22:53.35 | Jeffm2502 | it's about being humane and nice |
| 22:54.04 | Jeffm2502 | if we wanted efficency this would be a mailing list ;) |
| 22:54.31 | brlcad | randomparticle: example for bz.. take a rather complicated support question of computer rebooting randomly during gameplay.. that could potentially be a long drawn out problem of things they've tried, things they've seen, etc .. but instead of "can I ask a question" or "can I ask a bz crash question" .. it would be a better question to ask exactly what I summarized, something like "BZFlag seems to randomly crash on me while playing, can anyone h |
| 22:54.32 | randomparticle | brlcad mentioned efficiency above |
| 22:55.09 | Jeffm2502 | that's in asking |
| 22:55.15 | Jeffm2502 | I don't think he meant in everyrhing |
| 22:55.22 | Jeffm2502 | if we miss something important, point it out |
| 22:55.30 | brlcad | most questions can be phrased like that, leading into more questions obviously, but it states the problem and asks for help without the intermediate |
| 22:55.44 | randomparticle | and i would naturally expect a "yeah, already saw that.." |
| 22:55.58 | Jeffm2502 | then you would know that we are ignoring them for a reason ;) |
| 22:56.35 | tupone_laptop | I actually don't see a problem if any people can answer all question. But normally is not so. Better who ask, says something about his problem so the person that has some clue can answer |
| 22:56.43 | brlcad | yeah, i was also presuming random crashes that weren't a known issue .. or seen before, and really requires follow up information |
| 22:57.29 | brlcad | right |
| 22:57.29 | Jeffm2502 | just go paint the bikeshed |
| 22:57.33 | brlcad | :) |
| 22:57.39 | randomparticle | sometimes i want to get an idea who is listening. for example, i want to ask the developers something |
| 22:58.18 | randomparticle | in these circumstances, i know from experience hardly anyone else will be able to say anything informative |
| 22:58.33 | Jeffm2502 | you don't know that to be 100% true tho |
| 22:58.40 | Jeffm2502 | it's just a high propbability |
| 22:58.44 | randomparticle | indeed. but nearly always the case |
| 22:59.04 | Jeffm2502 | so in the case you are wrong you want to exclude others? |
| 22:59.38 | randomparticle | what can happen is you ask something and get tangled up in a conversation with people who aren't able to contribute anything of worth |
| 22:59.49 | brlcad | sure.. you want to know if you'd be wasting *your* time .. but that's the point -- that may be your concern but asking a question that effectively amounts to "am I wasting my time?" without any subject/problem/situation material makes that a useless statement to the people that do want to help you -- they necessarily have to ask for that basic subject/object/situation (which you could have provided all along) |
| 22:59.55 | Jeffm2502 | then disenage yourself from the convo when that happens |
| 23:00.34 | brlcad | without giving a hint of the subject, the only basis to answer is the name of the person asking and the mood of the listeners |
| 23:00.35 | Jeffm2502 | when any conversation is not giving you what you want, you can always leave it |
| 23:01.03 | brlcad | jeez, google is taking forever |
| 23:01.10 | randomparticle | brlcad: but it's often also wasting their time |
| 23:01.11 | Jeffm2502 | still nothin yuet? |
| 23:01.14 | brlcad | isn't it time for the left-coast to go home yet? :) |
| 23:01.26 | Jeffm2502 | it's 4 |
| 23:01.40 | randomparticle | they want to hear more thinking they will be able to say something and by the time you've explained it, they realise they're out of their depth |
| 23:02.08 | brlcad | that would have happened regardless with that individual |
| 23:02.29 | brlcad | if they can't help and they try, well, tough luck |
| 23:02.34 | brlcad | they tried |
| 23:02.44 | brlcad | no way you'll know that without getting to those details |
| 23:02.49 | Jeffm2502 | if the people you expected to answer, don't, then also tough luck |
| 23:05.04 | tupone_laptop | :) |
| 23:05.14 | randomparticle | ok. here's a useless analogy. you have a website, say. you know it only works with IE7, so you put a check in there: is this person contacting my site using IE7? |
| 23:05.19 | Jeffm2502 | it's just so fugly |
| 23:06.10 | randomparticle | that's part of the protocol of establishing communication. but you could do without that check. you could just say to yourself, if they connect and they're not using IE7, well, tough, they suffer the consequences |
| 23:06.31 | Jeffm2502 | depends on what you want your site to do |
| 23:06.36 | Jeffm2502 | and how much you care about others. |
| 23:06.36 | randomparticle | that seems somewhat akin to the irc approach |
| 23:07.05 | Jeffm2502 | are you saying we always ignore all noobs? |
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| 23:07.13 | randomparticle | no :) |
| 23:07.14 | Jeffm2502 | or just the one or 2 that you've seen the few times your here? |
| 23:08.13 | randomparticle | it's only natural, if someone is deeply involved in a conversation, some other stuff may go under the rdar |
| 23:08.16 | randomparticle | *radar |
| 23:08.31 | Jeffm2502 | there is more then one radar |
| 23:08.42 | Jeffm2502 | it may go under one person's radar, but not another |
| 23:08.52 | Jeffm2502 | if those others want to, they can have there own conversation |
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| 23:09.53 | randomparticle | ok. if you're staying at a hotel and want to get your keys from reception, and the receptionist is already talking to someone, and has been for some time. what do you do? |
| 23:09.57 | brlcad | yeah, it's not meant to be lock-stepped to one conversation |
| 23:10.08 | brlcad | that's part of the beauty imo :) |
| 23:10.17 | Jeffm2502 | there is more then one receptionist |
| 23:10.22 | Jeffm2502 | in the case of IRC |
| 23:10.28 | randomparticle | suppose all the ones you can see are talking :) |
| 23:10.51 | brlcad | and an unknown quantity are always listening |
| 23:10.53 | Jeffm2502 | you try to get there atttention, wait, or be an ass and intrupt |
| 23:10.54 | brlcad | or read the backlog |
| 23:10.57 | Jeffm2502 | depends on you |
| 23:11.17 | Jeffm2502 | all of your anaologies are flawed |
| 23:11.22 | Jeffm2502 | what's your point anyway? |
| 23:11.32 | brlcad | if you actually stay on the channels instead of join/leave/join/leave and utilize irc client features like hilighting and logs, you can get even more |
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| 23:13.13 | randomparticle | i tend to just join when i'm active, so to speak. i don't leave it running in the background much |
| 23:13.35 | randomparticle | but then i don't get irc :) |
| 23:13.46 | Jeffm2502 | that's obvious |
| 23:13.51 | brlcad | don't sign off, and maybe you would ;) |
| 23:13.59 | Jeffm2502 | I think your more used to a forum type system |
| 23:14.18 | randomparticle | quite possibly |
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| 23:14.34 | Jeffm2502 | ether that or you don't converse in groups often |
| 23:14.42 | brlcad | as well as are only looking at it from your perspective instead of that of everyone that does stay on irc |
| 23:17.18 | randomparticle | well, i would say not just my perspective. i don't want to waste other people's time. it's just that traditionally, one checks with the other people first to establish that |
| 23:17.41 | a_meteorite | dozens stay here 24/7 and they aren't "wasting" anyone's time |
| 23:17.53 | Jeffm2502 | it's opt in wasting |
| 23:18.03 | Jeffm2502 | if we feel it's a waste, we don't respond |
| 23:18.06 | Jeffm2502 | or don't even read it |
| 23:18.23 | Jeffm2502 | you act like we are obigated to read everthing that is put here |
| 23:18.32 | randomparticle | no, not at all |
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| 23:19.30 | randomparticle | i'm merely suggesting that ibot's suggestions/rules are somewhat crass |
| 23:19.42 | Jeffm2502 | they are :) |
| 23:19.59 | Jeffm2502 | but only because they were set by somoeone who was a bit feed up |
| 23:20.05 | Jeffm2502 | that dosn't make them "rules" |
| 23:20.08 | Jeffm2502 | it's just a factoid |
| 23:21.07 | a_meteorite | or opinionoid depending who wrote it ;) |
| 23:21.15 | Jeffm2502 | indded |
| 23:21.27 | Jeffm2502 | ibot the_sky is green |
| 23:21.30 | ibot | okay, Jeffm2502 |
| 23:21.40 | a_meteorite | hah |
| 23:21.42 | Jeffm2502 | there is a falseoid |
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| 23:22.28 | a_meteorite | unless you have a really bad smog problem :o |
| 23:22.40 | randomparticle | i wonder, what was the first online multiplayer game to use a list server? |
| 23:22.41 | Jeffm2502 | or you arn't talking about the real sky |
| 23:22.45 | brlcad | ibot, not the_sky is a_meteorite |
| 23:22.46 | ibot | brlcad: okay |
| 23:23.00 | a_meteorite | ibot: not the_sky |
| 23:23.02 | ibot | methinks not the_sky is a_meteorite |
| 23:23.08 | Jeffm2502 | probably one of the quakes |
| 23:23.10 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 23:23.13 | Jeffm2502 | I know halflife had one |
| 23:23.14 | randomparticle | xpilot is one possibility. maybe you know of something came before that |
| 23:23.24 | Jeffm2502 | check the hisotry of gamespy |
| 23:23.34 | Jeffm2502 | the dooms may have had em too |
| 23:23.47 | Jeffm2502 | I know a lot of network games would scan the lan |
| 23:24.02 | brlcad | all the mud's had "list servers" of sorts, and that takes you back to the early 80's |
| 23:24.24 | randomparticle | we uwed to play xpilot on the Indys, circa 1992 |
| 23:24.24 | Jeffm2502 | did they have more then one server? |
| 23:24.28 | brlcad | just not necessarily in-game |
| 23:24.32 | brlcad | some, yeah |
| 23:24.42 | randomparticle | it had a meta-server listing servers all over the internet |
| 23:24.51 | Jeffm2502 | it's realy just an extension of the lan browser |
| 23:25.51 | randomparticle | according to wiki, xpilot was groundbreaking, but i'm not sure if it was: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XPilot |
| 23:26.35 | brlcad | i'd say it was too |
| 23:26.39 | brlcad | that's going back a long time |
| 23:27.28 | brlcad | computing was a fair bit different in '91 |
| 23:27.31 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/ (inc/glCamera.h src/glCamera.cpp): add camera class from powerpainter cus it works a lot better |
| 23:27.34 | randomparticle | yeah :) |
| 23:27.48 | randomparticle | i remember trying to convince our department we should have a web page |
| 23:27.53 | randomparticle | they were quite sceptical :) |
| 23:27.58 | brlcad | that was right around when you started seeing computers get hard-drives |
| 23:29.15 | randomparticle | at the time web browsers etc were pretty radical. nobody could be sure this thing would take off |
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| 23:30.30 | a_meteorite | powerpainter? |
| 23:30.38 | a_meteorite | sounds M$-ish |
| 23:31.04 | Jeffm2502 | nope |
| 23:31.32 | Jeffm2502 | tho it did only run on windows |
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| 23:33.20 | randomparticle | talking of not taking off, i found this great forum thread from when the first ipod was announced: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=500 |
| 23:33.25 | randomparticle | "I'd call it the Cube 2.0 as it wont sell, and be killed off in a short time...and it's not really functional." |
| 23:34.14 | Constitution | guy must have been a prophet... how'd he get it so head-on right? |
| 23:34.24 | randomparticle | :) |
| 23:43.46 | L4m3r | they really didn't sell much at first, though |
| 23:44.05 | L4m3r | I mean, how many people bought 1G ipods? I think I've seen... one? |
| 23:45.46 | brlcad | woo hoo |
| 23:46.00 | L4m3r | and that one doesn't really count- the chick who had it was the daughter of an Apple employee |
| 23:46.01 | brlcad | access to germany established |
| 23:46.28 | L4m3r | SportChick: you're not the only "chick" ;) |
| 23:53.48 | Jeffm2502 | I owned a shuffle |
| 23:53.55 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/inc/ (Win32/winView.h mapedit.h): use the camera in target mode, it makes a lot of sense for editors. |
| 23:54.13 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/src/ (Win32/winApp.cpp Win32/winView.cpp glCamera.cpp mapedit.cpp): use the camera in target mode, it makes a lot of sense for editors. |
| 23:54.32 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/vc71/mapedit.vcproj: use the camera in target mode, it makes a lot of sense for editors. |
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