| 00:00.45 | blast007 | hmm, is _disableBots 1 supposed to prevent -solo players from joining, or just kick them after they join? |
| 00:01.58 | blast007 | I guess, what "should" it do? because in 2.0.9, it just kicks afterwards |
| 00:02.00 | blast007 | ;) |
| 00:03.03 | Erroneous | should reject the connections |
| 00:03.24 | Erroneous | as soon as the tank type is sent |
| 00:03.48 | Erroneous | which might be MsgEnter, so they'd probably have to be kicked to get rid of them |
| 00:04.01 | Erroneous | at any rate, no other players should be aware that they joined |
| 00:06.33 | blast007 | and that's the way it "should" work, right? |
| 00:06.39 | blast007 | any idea if that's how it operates in 2.1? |
| 00:06.55 | blast007 | in 2.0.9 you see the whole ary of bots join and quickly part |
| 00:06.58 | blast007 | army* |
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| 00:15.16 | TimRiker | brlcad: I have no attachment to SF. once the wiki is up let's change b.o to not point there. |
| 00:16.34 | bz86 | 03HELLO |
| 00:16.50 | TimRiker | bz86: no color pleaes. |
| 00:17.01 | bz86 | why |
| 00:17.49 | bz86 | whats the point of it then |
| 00:18.51 | bz86 | 065 |
| 00:19.18 | Tupone | bz86: you have been kindly asked to not colour it |
| 00:19.42 | bz86 | and who are you |
| 00:20.03 | Tupone | a guardian of the channel |
| 00:20.41 | bz86 | 04 rofl k |
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| 00:22.46 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03atupone 07v2_0_cs_branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (bzflag.cxx bzflag.h playing.cxx): Doing final drawing on FinishFrame, where it belongs |
| 00:26.12 | blast007 | hmmm...can we disable the color panel for the CGI:IRC? |
| 00:26.41 | brlcad | blast007: go for it ;) |
| 00:26.50 | blast007 | heh |
| 00:26.58 | brlcad | might be a config option |
| 00:27.02 | blast007 | yeah |
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| 00:27.09 | blast007 | if not, I won't be able to |
| 00:27.14 | blast007 | I'm not a perl person ;) |
| 00:27.31 | Tupone | nighty nighty |
| 00:28.55 | brlcad | TimRiker: aww, no love for the sf.net haus' ? .. i'd go with it though i'd doubt we scale as well as they can to /. effects |
| 00:36.46 | blast007 | brlcad: yeah, my fancy config option for that |
| 00:38.31 | brlcad | heh, how in the world did you just crash bash? |
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| 00:40.33 | blast007 | brlcad: me? |
| 00:40.43 | brlcad | yup |
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| 00:40.57 | blast007 | yeah, I sorta noticed my SSH went away all of a sudden |
| 00:41.02 | blast007 | changed some setting in PuTTY |
| 00:41.09 | brlcad | ahh |
| 00:41.14 | brlcad | exited on signal 4 |
| 00:41.23 | blast007 | was trying to get the home/end keys to not output ~'s when I used them |
| 00:41.34 | brlcad | (illegal instruction) |
| 00:41.36 | blast007 | heh |
| 00:42.10 | blast007 | I changed "The Home and End keys" from "Standard" to "rxvt", and I guess it doesn't like that |
| 00:42.44 | brlcad | might have just been a fluke |
| 00:43.34 | blast007 | still, I'm not gonna try that again ;) |
| 00:44.34 | brlcad | .bz news.. I added all bzflaggers access to the anonymous ftp area now |
| 00:44.46 | blast007 | ah, and actually there is a config option for the color |
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| 00:44.52 | blast007 | it's just not in the file by default |
| 00:45.21 | brlcad | via nopasswd sudo access, so you can sudo -u ftp whatever now on files in the ftp root |
| 00:45.29 | brlcad | blast007: ah |
| 00:45.31 | brlcad | nifty |
| 00:46.35 | brlcad | it would be nifty to set up anonymous ftp similar to sf.net where players could upload maps, textures, etc that are enabled on the web side of things, and then have some php move them into place as needed out of the ftp folder |
| 00:46.43 | brlcad | or a cron job, etc |
| 00:48.00 | brlcad | you could even allow various server config uploads for user-driven bzfs configurations.. maybe have config and maps put into a queue and a rotating server that cycles through them |
| 00:48.20 | brlcad | so anyone could upload a map and play on a public server with bandwidth |
| 01:00.45 | Bz_Win | bbl |
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| 01:39.50 | blast007 | yay, no more CGI:IRC colors |
| 01:40.49 | TheRedBaron | I like CGI:IRC colors |
| 01:40.56 | blast007 | :P |
| 01:41.02 | TheRedBaron | the cyan is cool :) |
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| 01:48.00 | bz20 | what have you done?!!?! I can't use color anymore!!! |
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| 02:55.40 | brlcad | heh |
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| 03:20.09 | menotume | any pc hardware geeks here tonight ? :) |
| 03:20.29 | blast007 | I can pretend that I am |
| 03:20.30 | a_meteorite | how geeky? :) |
| 03:20.33 | menotume | hehe |
| 03:20.43 | menotume | well, i'm thinking about building a new box |
| 03:20.51 | blast007 | cardboard, go with cardboard |
| 03:21.01 | brlcad | plywood |
| 03:21.10 | menotume | As i don't keep up with all the latest happenings, i was wondering if my plans are good |
| 03:21.33 | PuMpErNiCkLe | copper |
| 03:21.33 | menotume | http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/wishlist/PublicWishDetail.asp?WishListNumber=5778207 |
| 03:21.33 | brlcad | theyre carp .. fishy |
| 03:21.33 | menotume | hehe |
| 03:21.41 | menotume | actually, I already have the 'box', just need everything else :) |
| 03:21.47 | blast007 | popsicle sticks! |
| 03:21.49 | blast007 | oh |
| 03:21.54 | menotume | and, it must run linux easily |
| 03:22.18 | brlcad | batteries not included? |
| 03:22.31 | menotume | actually, there's a battery in there too |
| 03:22.59 | menotume | well, i checked for n-force 4 support and vid card support, they should be good |
| 03:23.07 | brlcad | oh, then pr0n and youre all set |
| 03:23.11 | menotume | yay |
| 03:23.12 | blast007 | there's a UPS, but not a PSU ;) |
| 03:23.32 | menotume | is dual-core gonna buy me anything with linux ? |
| 03:23.38 | a_meteorite | blast007: they're the same letters so it must be the same thing! ;) |
| 03:23.40 | a_meteorite | menotume: yes |
| 03:23.41 | menotume | i suppose the kernel supports it by now |
| 03:23.45 | menotume | kewl |
| 03:23.47 | a_meteorite | it has for awhile... ;) |
| 03:23.50 | menotume | hehe |
| 03:23.57 | a_meteorite | personally, if you can afford it, I'd go for a core 2 duo |
| 03:24.05 | menotume | i'm sooo behind ... was surprised that AGP isn't even used anymore :) |
| 03:24.06 | a_meteorite | much better than even amd's best offerings by the benches |
| 03:24.20 | menotume | hmmm |
| 03:24.36 | menotume | i will look into that |
| 03:24.38 | a_meteorite | ~$300 core 2 duo beats top-of-the-line AMD FX |
| 03:24.46 | a_meteorite | which costs 3 times as much |
| 03:24.51 | menotume | eep, for 4x the price, it better |
| 03:25.00 | menotume | err, 3x |
| 03:25.02 | a_meteorite | :P |
| 03:25.26 | a_meteorite | probably off by the price, checking |
| 03:25.34 | menotume | i typically don't like to go top-of-the-line. i don't need a little more puch for a bunch more money :) |
| 03:25.54 | a_meteorite | it's a lot more punch ;) |
| 03:25.57 | blast007 | menotume: I spent about $1400 on my C2D system |
| 03:26.06 | blast007 | what's your price range you're expecting overall? |
| 03:26.42 | menotume | low :) |
| 03:26.52 | menotume | $500 without the UPS |
| 03:26.58 | blast007 | ah |
| 03:26.59 | a_meteorite | eek |
| 03:27.09 | menotume | i have: monitor, box, kb, etc |
| 03:27.11 | blast007 | I spent half that on my case alone ;) |
| 03:27.16 | menotume | egads ! |
| 03:27.19 | menotume | geeeeeeeeek |
| 03:27.25 | menotume | how many lights does it have in it ? |
| 03:27.32 | a_meteorite | hmm, AMD has put some new FX's out |
| 03:27.38 | blast007 | only one LED fan |
| 03:27.48 | a_meteorite | I haven't seen benchmarks comparing it either, so... take my word as a grain of salt... |
| 03:27.50 | menotume | i'm just worried about compatibility, etc |
| 03:28.02 | blast007 | I haven't tried linux on my system yet |
| 03:28.16 | menotume | I'm planning on FC6 |
| 03:28.19 | a_meteorite | a lower-end C2D would still be quite nice compared to a A64 3800 |
| 03:28.20 | blast007 | I didn't want SLi, so I went with an intel chipset board |
| 03:28.37 | menotume | a_meteorite: ya, i see some < $200 |
| 03:28.43 | a_meteorite | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819115013 will beat the heck out of an A64 3800+ |
| 03:29.06 | inchworm | menotume: buy mid range stuff then pack it full of RAM... |
| 03:29.12 | menotume | s/patail/partial/ |
| 03:29.28 | menotume | RAM? for linux ? |
| 03:29.28 | a_meteorite | they're also really overclackeable, the only thing that really keeps it from overclocking is the fsb speed |
| 03:29.29 | menotume | hehe |
| 03:29.44 | inchworm | the fastest processor just idle spin without data :) |
| 03:29.49 | a_meteorite | that can go to about ~2.3Ghz average |
| 03:30.10 | menotume | ahh, what's an extra 12%? :) |
| 03:30.23 | menotume | 15 |
| 03:30.36 | a_meteorite | that's a big overclock |
| 03:30.40 | blast007 | I have this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819115005 |
| 03:30.46 | blast007 | faster bus speed |
| 03:30.56 | a_meteorite | yeah, the E6300 |
| 03:31.53 | blast007 | a_meteorite: the E4300 has only the 800MHz bus and lacks virtualization technology support (which I used a lot myself) |
| 03:32.13 | blast007 | different core it seems |
| 03:32.31 | a_meteorite | hmmm |
| 03:32.40 | a_meteorite | best to go with the E6300 |
| 03:32.51 | menotume | 1066MHz FSB, nice |
| 03:34.21 | blast007 | heh |
| 03:36.24 | menotume | yay ! |
| 03:36.28 | TheRedBaron | overclocked from 2.0 - 2.4 |
| 03:36.36 | TheRedBaron | I"m limited by my memory though |
| 03:36.56 | TheRedBaron | I can go higher |
| 03:37.00 | TheRedBaron | and I'm on the asrock |
| 03:37.07 | TheRedBaron | dual sata 939 |
| 03:37.23 | blast007 | just for a comparison, the E6400 isn't much slower than the X2 5000 |
| 03:37.49 | blast007 | tom's hardware has a nice comparison chart |
| 03:38.06 | TheRedBaron | Tom's hardware is a very nice site |
| 03:38.14 | menotume | ohya, i forgot about that |
| 03:39.02 | TheRedBaron | meno, I built this comp I"m on for a little over 500 |
| 03:39.05 | blast007 | the 3800+ gets stomped on by the E6400 ;) |
| 03:39.24 | TheRedBaron | blast007: when I built this, intel was just releasing the core 2 duo |
| 03:39.30 | TheRedBaron | back over the summer :( |
| 03:39.42 | blast007 | and the E6400 is the 2.13GHz version of the C2D, but still 2MB cache |
| 03:40.04 | TheRedBaron | yes, I"m a little dissapointed by the cache size in the 3800 |
| 03:40.12 | TheRedBaron | but the mobo's are cheaper for AMD |
| 03:40.15 | blast007 | TheRedBaron: what does the 3800 have? |
| 03:40.28 | blast007 | 1MB? |
| 03:40.35 | TheRedBaron | yes, IIRC |
| 03:40.47 | blast007 | yup, checked newegg |
| 03:41.54 | TheRedBaron | menotume: and I bargained shopped for an ATI x850 |
| 03:42.10 | menotume | NO ATI, NO ATI, NO ATI, never again ! |
| 03:42.14 | menotume | :) |
| 03:42.25 | menotume | did I mention that i like nvidia ? |
| 03:42.28 | blast007 | hehe |
| 03:42.37 | blast007 | I won't have to upgrade my system to a LONG time |
| 03:43.05 | TheRedBaron | ~calm menotume |
| 03:43.06 | ibot | ACTION sooths menotume, offers a backrub, tea, a jacuzzi and anything else that might help calm menotume down. |
| 03:43.25 | menotume | blast007: that's what i thought till my mobo fried. now, i can't get anything with thta socket even |
| 03:43.42 | blast007 | heh.... |
| 03:43.45 | menotume | well, not on newegg anyway |
| 03:44.22 | menotume | AMD 2800+, iirc |
| 03:45.04 | menotume | kinda sux, the proc and mem are still good |
| 03:45.51 | menotume | oh well, must run. THANKS ALL for the info, I will research more :) |
| 03:45.52 | TheRedBaron | woohooo! |
| 03:46.03 | blast007 | cya |
| 03:46.05 | menotume | TNT2 rocks ! :P |
| 03:46.32 | menotume | much better than my hercules mono |
| 03:46.35 | blast007 | hehe |
| 03:46.47 | blast007 | hardest part was finding a driver that worked for it |
| 03:46.53 | blast007 | had to go back to the 66.* |
| 03:48.50 | brad | CRW is making his rounds again |
| 03:50.02 | TheRedBaron | brad: quick! to the batmobile! |
| 03:50.29 | brad | heh |
| 03:51.41 | brad | he's at 74.71.82.5:5156 |
| 03:52.05 | a_meteorite | k |
| 03:55.22 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, you use beOS? |
| 03:55.52 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: win2k, win XP and mac OSX |
| 03:56.03 | JeffM2501 | you said batmobile ;) |
| 03:58.17 | TheRedBaron | obviously, I failed to connect a pun between christopher reeves - superman and the batmobile - batman. two superheros pitted against each other ;) |
| 03:58.30 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: are you still at work? |
| 03:58.36 | JeffM2501 | for just a bit longer |
| 03:59.06 | TheRedBaron | overtime? |
| 03:59.10 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 03:59.22 | JeffM2501 | ended up just BSing with DTRemenak about the perfect MMO |
| 03:59.46 | JeffM2501 | I don't get paid for overtime |
| 03:59.50 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak did tho |
| 03:59.52 | TheRedBaron | au! |
| 03:59.57 | JeffM2501 | I'm saliary |
| 04:00.00 | JeffM2501 | not hourly |
| 04:00.28 | TheRedBaron | I like time and 1/2 |
| 04:00.29 | JeffM2501 | I don't work 40 some weeks |
| 04:01.31 | JeffM2501 | time go lock up :) |
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| 04:46.27 | TheRedBaron | 45 minute commute? |
| 04:47.59 | JeffM2501 | went to target and baja fresh |
| 04:48.23 | JeffM2501 | had to get stuff for the weekend in long beach |
| 04:57.39 | TheRedBaron | oi, I'd love to go to the beach |
| 04:57.51 | JeffM2501 | not going to the actual beach |
| 04:57.56 | JeffM2501 | going to the queen mary |
| 05:04.57 | TheRedBaron | oh good |
| 05:05.01 | TheRedBaron | I won't be so envious now |
| 05:06.18 | JeffM2501 | it's the brazilian carnival |
| 05:06.20 | JeffM2501 | so big party |
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| 16:20.58 | razeryan | hi |
| 16:21.11 | razeryan | can any1 help me? |
| 16:21.38 | SportChick | razeryan: it's generally better to state your problem and then wait for help :) |
| 16:21.48 | SportChick | otherwise we have no idea if we _can_ help you |
| 16:22.02 | razeryan | ok |
| 16:22.20 | razeryan | well i dont kno how to set a topic for my irc channel |
| 16:23.26 | razeryan | could any1 tell me how i can do that? |
| 16:23.33 | SportChick | razeryan: hehe, that's not really a bzflag question but sure |
| 16:23.40 | razeryan | doh |
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| 16:58.55 | Killer123 | Hello |
| 16:59.42 | Killer123 | Does anybody know why between around 5pm and 11pm I cannot connect to any bzflag server? |
| 17:00.09 | Killer123 | i can still use the internet and bring up the list of servers |
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| 17:20.32 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, you around? |
| 17:31.21 | ts | JeffM2501, brlcad: How to use sinf and cosf functions from within plug-ins? I have included common.h for now but that leads to a lot of warnings (works, though) |
| 17:31.42 | JeffM2501 | yeah you don't use common from plugins |
| 17:31.48 | JeffM2501 | they are part of math.h |
| 17:31.49 | JeffM2501 | not bz |
| 17:31.57 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: pong |
| 17:32.13 | JeffM2501 | Thumper_, I have a dir structure and makefile, etc all setup |
| 17:32.18 | Thumper_ | cool |
| 17:32.20 | JeffM2501 | I'm gonna comit it |
| 17:32.29 | JeffM2501 | one header, if we need to split we'll include headers in that one header |
| 17:32.32 | Thumper_ | HEAD only or HEAD and branch? |
| 17:32.35 | JeffM2501 | head |
| 17:32.47 | JeffM2501 | branch uses a difrent makefile style |
| 17:32.53 | Thumper_ | ok np |
| 17:32.59 | JeffM2501 | we can get brlcad to help us get it moved to branch |
| 17:33.10 | Thumper_ | I'd like to add a new plugin to branch but I can just make the config parser local to that plugin |
| 17:33.18 | JeffM2501 | I want plugins to only have to include one file to get all the utils. |
| 17:33.32 | ts | JeffM2501: Ah, that works. Should have thought of that by myself :/ |
| 17:33.46 | Thumper_ | yes I know - that's part of the reason I send the email instead of just 'doing my own thing' :) |
| 17:33.54 | Thumper_ | send->sent |
| 17:34.01 | JeffM2501 | ts, the only thing plugins should get from BZ are in the api header, as on windows, thats the ONLY thing exported |
| 17:34.17 | JeffM2501 | Thumper_, heh. I'll have it commited in a just a bit |
| 17:34.35 | Thumper_ | ok no rush. I've been sitting on this for a week |
| 17:34.43 | JeffM2501 | I called it plugin_utils |
| 17:34.53 | Thumper_ | works for me |
| 17:34.55 | JeffM2501 | oh I've had this ready since you mentioned it a while go :) |
| 17:35.22 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 17:35.44 | Thumper_ | I just created the class and built it locally for the single plugin that uses it now but that doesn't scale nicely at all |
| 17:35.59 | JeffM2501 | we have the same problem with string utils |
| 17:36.05 | JeffM2501 | so I moved some of them into this file |
| 17:36.41 | Thumper_ | ok i'll check it out after it's committed and figure out what I need to do to 'make it go' :) |
| 17:37.23 | JeffM2501 | I'm not 100% on the makefile |
| 17:37.25 | Thumper_ | any objections to me just checking in the config parser class in branch with my new plugin that uses it so it's local to that plugin only? |
| 17:37.36 | JeffM2501 | but the best way to get brlcad to fix stuff is to break stuff |
| 17:37.38 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/plugins/MSVC/VC71/plugins.sln: add a plugin_utils static lib for common code shared by plugins. |
| 17:37.44 | JeffM2501 | in branch yeah, just add it to your plugins |
| 17:37.49 | Thumper_ | I'm not intending to do a ton of work on the branch... but this works for 2.0.9 and it's useful for shared servers |
| 17:37.56 | Thumper_ | heh |
| 17:38.00 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/plugins/ (7 files in 2 dirs): add a plugin_utils static lib for common code shared by plugins. |
| 17:38.16 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/plugins/plugin_utils/VC71/ (plugin_utils.sln plugin_utils.vcproj): add a plugin_utils static lib for common code shared by plugins. |
| 17:38.28 | Thumper_ | I'd actually perfer to figure out how to fix it myself so he can yell at me for doing it wrong... rather than just breaking something to make him do it right ;) |
| 17:38.40 | Thumper_ | but that's just me |
| 17:38.48 | JeffM2501 | ok, well it's in |
| 17:38.52 | Thumper_ | thanks |
| 17:38.58 | JeffM2501 | I took out the call to -modlue, and I THINK that makes it build static |
| 17:40.27 | TimRiker | "<JeffM2501> but the best way to get brlcad to fix stuff is to break stuff" hmm. didn't work for the server. :) |
| 17:40.35 | JeffM2501 | it got fixed didn't it? ;) |
| 17:40.53 | TimRiker | I suppose, but I had to fix it myself first. |
| 17:41.00 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 17:41.00 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/plugins/Makefile.am: add a plugin_utils static lib for common code shared by plugins. |
| 17:41.20 | JeffM2501 | lucky that you were on to fix it too |
| 17:41.49 | TimRiker | :) |
| 17:47.56 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: first build error - can't find plugin_utils.h - since the plugins dir is not in the default include path (I think) so SAMPLE_PLUGIN build fails |
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| 17:49.34 | JeffM2501 | I added a cppflag thingy for that did a -I |
| 17:49.48 | JeffM2501 | well I tried. |
| 17:50.27 | Q_zobri | what is the cpu needed to run the server ? |
| 17:50.56 | Thumper_ | I think it goes in Makefile.am |
| 17:51.06 | Thumper_ | something like: AM_CPPFLAGS = -I$(top_srcdir)/include @CONF_CPPFLAGS@ |
| 17:51.21 | JeffM2501 | well I did one for the sample |
| 17:51.22 | Thumper_ | maybe |
| 17:51.25 | JeffM2501 | take a look at it |
| 17:51.45 | Thumper_ | ah did cvs up too early |
| 17:52.13 | JeffM2501 | it should have a line |
| 17:52.14 | JeffM2501 | SAMPLE_PLUGIN_la_CPPFLAGS= -I/../plugin_utils |
| 17:52.33 | Thumper_ | it does now |
| 17:52.37 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 17:52.49 | JeffM2501 | may not be all I needed, but I think that's right, based on what I've been able to follow |
| 17:53.04 | Thumper_ | I assume I need to autogen.sh everytime we change Makefile.am files somewhere in the tree - right? |
| 17:53.10 | Q_zobri | can i put it all in VSS? |
| 17:53.19 | JeffM2501 | Thumper_, probably |
| 17:53.33 | JeffM2501 | Q_zobri, source safe? |
| 17:53.39 | JeffM2501 | why would you want to use source safe? |
| 17:53.49 | Q_zobri | yep, vss is so cool |
| 17:53.54 | Thumper_ | ick |
| 17:53.55 | JeffM2501 | no it isn't |
| 17:55.15 | Thumper_ | Q_zobri: pick anything else |
| 17:55.15 | JeffM2501 | it's based on file system shares |
| 17:55.15 | JeffM2501 | it's horible |
| 17:55.15 | Q_zobri | exclusive checkkout |
| 17:55.15 | Q_zobri | i like that |
| 17:55.16 | JeffM2501 | other systems have that |
| 17:55.16 | JeffM2501 | vss has a horible backend |
| 17:55.16 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: no... "other systems _that work_ have that" |
| 17:55.16 | JeffM2501 | team server may be beter |
| 17:55.16 | Thumper_ | ;) |
| 17:55.16 | JeffM2501 | VSS does work, but it dosn't scale well |
| 17:55.16 | JeffM2501 | we use it here |
| 17:55.17 | JeffM2501 | but we are looking to change |
| 17:55.18 | brlcad | heh |
| 17:55.18 | JeffM2501 | team server or surround SCM are posibilities |
| 17:55.19 | Thumper_ | yeah I use it at work too... over a VPN it doesn't work |
| 17:55.20 | Q_zobri | to visual studi team foundation server? |
| 17:55.24 | JeffM2501 | yeah VPN is horible |
| 17:55.25 | brlcad | Thumper_: no you don't necessarily have to rerun autogen.sh, but it doesn't hurt |
| 17:55.36 | brlcad | depends on the edit and your setup |
| 17:55.42 | JeffM2501 | tho SS 8 has "internet support" |
| 17:56.01 | Q_zobri | VSS 2005 can run a webservice with IIS |
| 17:56.04 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, I made a change to the makefile for plugins, tryin to get them to build a static lib that plugins can use for common code |
| 17:56.08 | brlcad | Thumper_: if a new directory or a new Makefile.am is added, then definitely |
| 17:56.12 | JeffM2501 | Q_zobri, yeah it's moderately better |
| 17:56.16 | Thumper_ | brlcad: thx |
| 17:56.52 | brlcad | JeffM2501: hrm .. how's that a change for the "plugins" themselves? |
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| 17:56.59 | brlcad | s/"// |
| 17:57.09 | Q_zobri | do you think that windowsXP is better than vista? |
| 17:57.09 | JeffM2501 | the makefile for the sample plugin changed |
| 17:57.21 | JeffM2501 | Q_zobri, vista needs a while to get full support |
| 17:57.25 | JeffM2501 | but it's definatly a pig |
| 17:57.29 | JeffM2501 | depends what you want to do |
| 17:57.38 | JeffM2501 | if you want OS flash, then sure, vista is great |
| 17:57.48 | JeffM2501 | if you just want to use the OS to run apps, then you go XP |
| 17:57.57 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03bthansen * 10bzflag/plugins/SAMPLE_PLUGIN/Makefile.am: Fix the include path for plugin_utils |
| 17:58.08 | Q_zobri | it looks like the same for me but the aearo glass sheme sucks big time |
| 17:58.24 | JeffM2501 | check how much CPU and ram it's using compared to XP ;) |
| 17:58.32 | JeffM2501 | driver suport is also weak |
| 17:58.41 | JeffM2501 | maybe in a year it'll be more viable |
| 17:58.50 | JeffM2501 | for at least what I do |
| 17:59.07 | Q_zobri | i hate ms, the should have extendedn windows xp, for quick file search, and thats it |
| 17:59.30 | JeffM2501 | whatever floats your boat skip |
| 17:59.37 | brlcad | ts, just use them, but have to add math.h as header and -lm as a _LIBADD dependency for your plugin |
| 18:01.11 | JeffM2501 | it's true isn't it? |
| 18:02.06 | brlcad | TimRiker: it eventually did/does, the fix just took a while .. |
| 18:04.44 | TimRiker | :) |
| 18:07.52 | Q_zobri | time to shoot some other tanks |
| 18:08.25 | brlcad | JeffM2501: linking plugins against a common static interface library can work, have to make a noinst lib and add it to the plugins as a _LIBADD dep |
| 18:08.49 | brlcad | shouldn't mess with the -module stuff nor use -static |
| 18:09.02 | JeffM2501 | well I was guessing :) |
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| 18:13.21 | Thumper_ | brlcad: he broke it :) plugin_utils won't build: make[2]: *** No rule to make target `all'. Stop. |
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| 18:17.56 | Thumper_ | the Makefile.am for SAMPLE_PLUGIN probably also needs to reference the new plugin_utils static library to resolve symbols in there (however that is done) |
| 18:18.21 | ts | brlcad: Ok, I'm adding it |
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| 18:26.06 | Q_zobri | damn grassucker is cheating |
| 18:26.15 | TheRedBaron | Q_zobri: where at? |
| 18:26.27 | Q_zobri | at mofo |
| 18:26.36 | donny_baker | on it |
| 18:27.10 | Q_zobri | banned |
| 18:34.49 | ts | Thumper_: I know it can be done with putting the path in the #include statement - if this is the best way: no idea |
| 18:35.07 | ts | Just wait for someone(tm) to fix it |
| 18:35.35 | Thumper_ | ts: already waiting for brlcad :) |
| 18:35.59 | Thumper_ | finding the header file is fixed... now it's building the static library that's next |
| 18:42.49 | brlcad | putting paths into include statements is not the best way ;) |
| 18:45.38 | ts | brlcad: yeah, I expected that |
| 18:46.46 | ts | but it's still not finding the header file for me |
| 18:48.30 | ts | I've done autogen and configure...still no success :( |
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| 19:17.07 | menotume | ciao occhi blu |
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| 20:02.21 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: so where do you suggest I add my utility class for plugin_utils.cpp - just append it to the end? |
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| 20:03.12 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: and if string utils is just a copy of the stuff from bzflag... wouldn't it make more sense to split that off into a static library for both plugins and bzflag code? |
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| 20:07.59 | TheRedBaron | lamb of god |
| 20:08.12 | TheRedBaron | hrm |
| 20:08.17 | TheRedBaron | wrong keyboard/monitor |
| 20:10.10 | ts | Thumper_: finding the header file is not fixed for me, still.. |
| 20:10.27 | Thumper_ | ts: which header? |
| 20:10.33 | ts | sample plugin does not compile |
| 20:10.42 | ts | line 5 |
| 20:11.13 | ts | Thumper_: "plugin_utils.h" |
| 20:11.23 | Thumper_ | did you get the Makefile.am change? |
| 20:11.27 | ts | yes |
| 20:11.33 | ts | did autogen and configure |
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| 20:11.46 | Thumper_ | SAMPLE_PLUGIN_la_CPPFLAGS= -I../plugin_utils |
| 20:12.04 | Thumper_ | hmmm works for me... (on linux) |
| 20:12.32 | ts | Not for me |
| 20:12.52 | Thumper_ | can you change it to <top_srcdir>/plugins/plugin_utils and see if that helps? |
| 20:12.54 | ts | automake (GNU automake) 1.6.3 |
| 20:13.21 | ts | top_srcdir? |
| 20:13.32 | Thumper_ | automake (GNU automake) 1.9.6 |
| 20:13.34 | Thumper_ | for me |
| 20:13.58 | ts | I can not update automake, otherwise build system will be broken |
| 20:14.11 | ts | because then libtool will choke |
| 20:14.24 | Thumper_ | ok let me check on something |
| 20:17.44 | ts | Thumper_: Doesn't seem to work |
| 20:18.16 | ts | The build system seems to re-generate the Makefile when Makefile.am is modified |
| 20:19.18 | Thumper_ | nope :/ |
| 20:19.28 | ts | What nope? |
| 20:19.34 | Thumper_ | nope - it doesn't seem to work |
| 20:19.48 | ts | What does not seem to work? |
| 20:20.49 | Thumper_ | I'm not really familiar with all the automake nuances... so I'm shooting in the dark here |
| 20:20.52 | Thumper_ | not sure what to try next ts |
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| 20:28.34 | Thumper_ | ts - does this work? |
| 20:28.44 | Thumper_ | SAMPLE_PLUGIN_la_CPPFLAGS = -I$(top_srcdir)/plugin_utils |
| 20:29.39 | ts | doesn't seems so |
| 20:29.49 | Thumper_ | :/ |
| 20:29.52 | ts | Thumper_: Want me to do autogen and configure? |
| 20:30.00 | Thumper_ | can't hurt |
| 20:30.13 | JeffM2501 | Thumper_, the position in the file dosn't realy matter :) |
| 20:30.26 | JeffM2501 | if it gets nasty we'll split it up later |
| 20:30.36 | JeffM2501 | get it workin first |
| 20:30.55 | ts | it doesn't work y |
| 20:31.06 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: I think I just want to add a new source file to the sources dir instead of growing that file |
| 20:31.17 | JeffM2501 | whatever floats your boat |
| 20:31.20 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 20:31.33 | Thumper_ | ts is having issues compiling SAMPLE_PLUGIN though |
| 20:31.47 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure it needs more "stuff" |
| 20:32.07 | Thumper_ | possibly. I don't have automake 1.6 here so can't reproduce it |
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| 20:34.48 | ts | Thumper_: Nope, doesn't find header with autogen and configure before make, either |
| 20:38.21 | ts | Thumper_: With CXXFlags instead of CPPFlags it compiles |
| 20:38.39 | Thumper_ | ok - good |
| 20:39.57 | ts | Should I commit that? |
| 20:40.12 | ts | Or do you want to test it on your box first? |
| 20:41.45 | Thumper_ | go ahead and commit it |
| 20:43.59 | JeffM2501 | getting closer? |
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| 20:44.42 | ts | now only "no rule to make target all" in the new dir |
| 20:44.51 | Thumper_ | ts - yeah I still get that |
| 20:45.44 | Thumper_ | dinner - back later |
| 20:46.23 | ts | What is the purpose of the plugin_utils? |
| 20:46.31 | ts | I need a description for configure.ac |
| 20:46.48 | JeffM2501 | ts, it's a static lib for shared code between plug-ins |
| 20:47.42 | master_tux | Heh, why not design bzflag for GameBoy Advance? |
| 20:47.56 | JeffM2501 | feel free to get right on that |
| 20:48.04 | master_tux | I have permission? |
| 20:48.09 | JeffM2501 | you don't need permision |
| 20:48.12 | JeffM2501 | it's open source |
| 20:48.20 | JeffM2501 | you are graned a license to do whatever you want with it |
| 20:48.31 | JeffM2501 | as long as you too also distribute your modified sources. |
| 20:49.03 | master_tux | It wouldnt be multiplayer, of course. |
| 20:49.11 | master_tux | I would have to design enemy AI |
| 20:49.35 | ts | Wait a moment, multiplayer is the entire point of bz |
| 20:49.46 | ts | (though we do horrible on multiplayer) |
| 20:50.02 | master_tux | Yes, but the GBA version would have the player against the computer. |
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| 20:50.13 | master_tux | And perhaps a Boss tank at the end of each level. |
| 20:50.47 | JeffM2501 | whatever you want to do with it |
| 20:50.53 | JeffM2501 | that's the joy of open source |
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| 20:51.37 | JeffM2501 | pesonaly I say just go get the battlezone gba game, and play that, cus well then it ain't much dif ;) |
| 20:51.47 | JeffM2501 | now if you were talkin the DS that becomes slightly more interesting |
| 20:52.39 | master_tux | Yes, the DS has enhanced 3D graphic support |
| 20:52.50 | JeffM2501 | and networking |
| 20:52.55 | master_tux | Well |
| 20:52.59 | JeffM2501 | and analog imput |
| 20:53.08 | master_tux | Only Nintendo supported games can go online. |
| 20:53.22 | JeffM2501 | still more networking support then the GBA ;) |
| 20:53.55 | master_tux | Well, I would have to sell it to them, have them take all the credit, then not be able to release the source under the agreement I sign... |
| 20:54.21 | JeffM2501 | you would not have rights to sell it |
| 20:54.31 | JeffM2501 | you could get a license from nintendo to make the game |
| 20:54.37 | JeffM2501 | if you had the cash |
| 20:54.46 | master_tux | But to have them support it... |
| 20:55.02 | JeffM2501 | they have 3rd party devs ;) |
| 20:55.02 | master_tux | Like the poor guy who made metroid, Nintendo took the credit. |
| 20:55.20 | JeffM2501 | all depends on your deal |
| 20:55.30 | JeffM2501 | you'd have to be an officialy licensed developer |
| 20:55.38 | master_tux | That could get ugly |
| 20:55.41 | JeffM2501 | naw |
| 20:55.47 | JeffM2501 | you'd just have to pony up the cash |
| 20:55.58 | JeffM2501 | 2 to 3 hundred thousand would do it |
| 20:56.06 | master_tux | Heh maybe I can design the game to re-route to my own server. |
| 20:56.27 | master_tux | I would probably be sued though. |
| 20:56.31 | JeffM2501 | all so you can play on a 3 inch screen |
| 20:56.49 | master_tux | Well, thats the beauty of portability, is it not? ;) |
| 20:56.50 | JeffM2501 | be simpler to port it to a pda |
| 20:57.01 | JeffM2501 | with openGL es |
| 20:57.08 | master_tux | Windows CE. |
| 20:57.20 | JeffM2501 | or whatever host OS you choise |
| 20:57.25 | master_tux | The would probably be easier then |
| 20:57.34 | master_tux | Because if Windows CE can support the Windows API |
| 20:57.40 | master_tux | Then I dont really have to port much |
| 20:57.50 | JeffM2501 | it suports a subset |
| 20:57.57 | JeffM2501 | but yes it would be simpler |
| 20:58.15 | ts | Hmpf, doesn't work now..and I'm getting sleepy |
| 20:58.46 | ts | I'll commit what is correct and let's see whether someone(tm) finishes the job |
| 21:00.47 | master_tux | It would change version only on official, non-beta, err |
| 21:00.50 | master_tux | Numbered version |
| 21:00.58 | master_tux | Like, for 1.x it would be Version 1 |
| 21:01.02 | master_tux | 2.x, version 2 |
| 21:01.07 | master_tux | 3.x version 3, etc |
| 21:02.42 | master_tux | Just, if you want them to play on official servers, you would have to modify the server a bit. |
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| 21:12.23 | master_tux | 0.o |
| 21:12.43 | master_tux | The only way to program graphics with C++ is through OpenGL or DirectX? |
| 21:14.02 | master_tux | I mean, there is no such thing as console graphics anymore? |
| 21:14.04 | brlcad | master_tux: not in the least |
| 21:14.35 | JeffM2501 | those are just 2 popular ones |
| 21:14.36 | brlcad | there's still console graphics, framebuffer devices, alternatives to X11, etc |
| 21:14.50 | JeffM2501 | SDL does it's own grapics drawing too IIRC |
| 21:14.58 | JeffM2501 | also each OS has it's own graphics primitives |
| 21:15.14 | JeffM2501 | OpenGL and DirectX are the simplest ways to get hardware acceleration tho |
| 21:15.25 | JeffM2501 | across a lot of hardware and platforms. |
| 21:15.32 | master_tux | I mean like BASIC could draw circles and stuff, is there a standard library for C++ that would allow for drawing graphics in the console? |
| 21:16.06 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:16.06 | JeffM2501 | not a standard library |
| 21:16.06 | JeffM2501 | C++ does not have the concept of "graphics" as a language |
| 21:16.19 | brlcad | there are plenty of libraries that do that, but not part of C++ itself |
| 21:16.28 | JeffM2501 | SDL may have some drawing prims |
| 21:16.40 | JeffM2501 | if you want cross plat, it's one of the big ones. |
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| 21:17.13 | JeffM2501 | each OS also has there own, MS has GDI for example |
| 21:17.18 | JeffM2501 | old mac had quickdraw |
| 21:17.28 | JeffM2501 | it "core image" now in OSX? |
| 21:18.00 | JeffM2501 | tho I'm not sure if any let you draw in a terminal, curses maybe |
| 21:18.11 | JeffM2501 | usualy you bring up a real OS window for drawing |
| 21:18.28 | gyrfalcon | Anyone be able to help me figure out why bzflag quits after trying to connect to a game? It downloads files, goes fullscreen in windowed mode...and quits. |
| 21:18.42 | JeffM2501 | what OS? |
| 21:18.49 | gyrfalcon | Windows :( |
| 21:18.56 | JeffM2501 | what version of windows? |
| 21:18.59 | brlcad | basic 2D stuff like he's talking is all in core foundation, iirc .. core image has more advanged image manipulation stuff |
| 21:19.01 | gyrfalcon | XP SP2 |
| 21:19.08 | JeffM2501 | what video card? |
| 21:19.37 | gyrfalcon | It's a toshiba M1 laptop with a Trident Cyber-XP4 |
| 21:19.43 | JeffM2501 | eww |
| 21:19.46 | gyrfalcon | yeah |
| 21:19.47 | JeffM2501 | what drivers? |
| 21:19.59 | gyrfalcon | but it plays tremulous fine |
| 21:20.00 | JeffM2501 | ones from MS? or the ones from the chipset mfg? |
| 21:20.10 | JeffM2501 | we are not tremulous ;) |
| 21:20.17 | JeffM2501 | probably a GL call we do that your driver dosn't like |
| 21:20.35 | JeffM2501 | that would be my first guess |
| 21:20.35 | gyrfalcon | 6.4823... They're from trident |
| 21:20.57 | JeffM2501 | you start it in a window? or in fullscreen? |
| 21:21.10 | gyrfalcon | windowed, I'll try fullscreen |
| 21:21.24 | JeffM2501 | you may also want to try lower resolutions |
| 21:21.58 | gyrfalcon | okay |
| 21:22.00 | JeffM2501 | the other thing to do would be to try runing a quickie local server and connect to that |
| 21:22.08 | JeffM2501 | what version of BZ? |
| 21:22.20 | gyrfalcon | 2.0.8 |
| 21:22.30 | JeffM2501 | that'd be the last one :) |
| 21:28.56 | gyrfalcon | works fine in windowed mode on local server |
| 21:29.05 | JeffM2501 | try window on a remote |
| 21:29.09 | JeffM2501 | that will narrow it down |
| 21:30.22 | gyrfalcon | do I need to stop my localhost server? |
| 21:30.28 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 21:30.34 | JeffM2501 | just pick another server to connect to |
| 21:30.41 | gyrfalcon | I tried to connect to a server again, and it went fullscreen...and shutdown. |
| 21:30.54 | JeffM2501 | then it's something on those servers that is screwing your driver |
| 21:31.10 | JeffM2501 | probably a mesh, or a texture or something your driver dosn't like |
| 21:31.26 | JeffM2501 | wierd tho |
| 21:31.30 | gyrfalcon | any logging that would show it? |
| 21:31.31 | JeffM2501 | it do that on any server? |
| 21:31.34 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 21:31.37 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: turn down the quality then? so it doesn't use the texture's/mesh? |
| 21:31.39 | JeffM2501 | it's just crashing |
| 21:31.47 | gyrfalcon | I've tried about 5 different dervers so far. |
| 21:31.57 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, we always use the mesh, have to, it's the geometry |
| 21:32.05 | JeffM2501 | but can't hurt to try |
| 21:32.11 | JeffM2501 | what quality level you on gyrfalcon ? |
| 21:32.48 | Thumper_ | brlcad: so now that we have this plugin_utils 'thing' how do I reference it in the Makefile.am for a plugin so it pulls in the functions? and how do we make it build first so it's available to the first plugin that needs to be linked? |
| 21:34.34 | gyrfalcon | I went into display, effect and gui and shutoff all the effects I could find. |
| 21:34.39 | gyrfalcon | if that's what you mean |
| 21:35.12 | gyrfalcon | still crashed connecting to a remote server...but worked fine with them on via localhost server |
| 21:35.24 | TheRedBaron | gyrfalcon: go to options and display |
| 21:35.49 | gyrfalcon | and? |
| 21:35.50 | TheRedBaron | and set the quality to low/meduim |
| 21:36.01 | TheRedBaron | and try turning the texturing off |
| 21:36.04 | Thumper_ | brlcad: add SAMPLE_PLUGIN_la_LIBADD = $(top_srcdir)/plugin_utils/plugin_utils.la ? |
| 21:36.09 | gyrfalcon | I set it to low, and turned off texturing, etc... |
| 21:36.27 | gyrfalcon | still dumps out. |
| 21:36.36 | TheRedBaron | try joining dub.bzflag.org:5154 |
| 21:37.37 | brlcad | hm, who what? |
| 21:38.19 | JeffM2501 | wierd, maybe it's an issue with a firewall or something that is screwing up external connections or someting |
| 21:38.36 | gyrfalcon | well that worked... |
| 21:38.48 | brlcad | Thumper_: hold a sec and I'll fix it if you like, unless you want to learn/do it yourself :) |
| 21:38.55 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 21:38.57 | gyrfalcon | gah blaming firewall!? I'm the network admin... :P |
| 21:38.57 | brlcad | is everthing in cvs now? |
| 21:39.13 | brlcad | heh |
| 21:39.20 | JeffM2501 | gyrfalcon, I'm just trying to think what it could be |
| 21:39.28 | Thumper_ | I'll dump my stuff in to and you can fix it |
| 21:39.28 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: I sent him to the simplest/original server out there, dub, he said it worked |
| 21:39.31 | JeffM2501 | well if his server worked, then it could be a mesh |
| 21:39.31 | Thumper_ | too* |
| 21:39.34 | JeffM2501 | yfeah |
| 21:39.40 | brlcad | dump away |
| 21:39.40 | JeffM2501 | probably something in the GL or the driver |
| 21:39.47 | TheRedBaron | and dub worked, dub is simply 2shot, randomly generated world |
| 21:40.05 | JeffM2501 | coudl be a texture too big or something too |
| 21:40.17 | JeffM2501 | little card may only do 256x256 |
| 21:40.35 | JeffM2501 | or not enough ram alloced to textures. |
| 21:40.54 | gyrfalcon | hrm... |
| 21:41.13 | JeffM2501 | when it starts up what does it say for the openGL driver? |
| 21:41.17 | JeffM2501 | GDI? or trident? |
| 21:41.42 | JeffM2501 | it'll be in the chat box |
| 21:42.00 | gyrfalcon | Blade XP4 |
| 21:42.08 | JeffM2501 | no mention of GDI? |
| 21:42.24 | JeffM2501 | so then your card is trying to do the GL for you, it's not software rendering. |
| 21:42.25 | gyrfalcon | Nope |
| 21:42.57 | JeffM2501 | guess you could see if there were other drivers, after that, have to have a debuger on it to see where it's pukeing |
| 21:43.03 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03bthansen * 10bzflag/plugins/plugin_utils/ (PluginConfig.cpp PluginConfig.h Makefile.am plugin_utils.h): Add configuration file parsing class for plugins |
| 21:43.16 | donny_baker | i just checked for drivers that is the latest i could find |
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| 21:43.28 | JeffM2501 | tridents sucked too :( |
| 21:43.42 | donny_baker | worse than intel IMHO |
| 21:43.46 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:44.08 | gyrfalcon | Okay well thanks for the help... yeah trident was okay about 10 years ago. now they're garbage. |
| 21:44.11 | JeffM2501 | may be better off with the GDI rendering, but geting that in place of the driver one would be a pain. |
| 21:44.26 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, techincaly I did first, he just broke it less |
| 21:44.27 | blast007 | might just try setting it to 8-bit graphics |
| 21:44.29 | JeffM2501 | ;) |
| 21:44.34 | blast007 | it might not accelerate that |
| 21:44.35 | JeffM2501 | yeah that could be a try |
| 21:44.37 | brlcad | you mean more, :) |
| 21:44.52 | gyrfalcon | does the cannon have elevation? |
| 21:44.58 | gyrfalcon | sorry first time playing |
| 21:44.58 | blast007 | nope |
| 21:44.58 | brlcad | ooh, good idea JBdiGriz |
| 21:45.09 | brlcad | alas, i'm amidst coding |
| 21:45.24 | brlcad | can't interrupt ze coding wif ze bear just yet |
| 21:45.31 | gyrfalcon | why does he cannon hud have elevation ticks on it then? :) |
| 21:45.41 | bryjen | rawr, bears |
| 21:45.47 | TD-Linux | gyrfalcon: try the TAB key |
| 21:46.09 | JeffM2501 | gyrfalcon, some maps let you jump as a tank |
| 21:46.14 | JeffM2501 | or you can fall from heights |
| 21:46.18 | gyrfalcon | oh cool |
| 21:46.20 | JeffM2501 | it tells your altitude |
| 21:47.11 | JeffM2501 | bryjen, don't forget the sucking chest wound ;) |
| 21:48.17 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03bthansen * 10bzflag/plugins/ (9 files in 2 dirs): Add serverControl plugin |
| 21:48.35 | Thumper_ | brlcad: heh |
| 21:48.49 | Thumper_ | brlcad: ok I think it's all in there now |
| 21:49.17 | Thumper_ | the Makefile.am in serverControl is suspect - that plugin won't load until it can link to the new class in plugin_utils |
| 21:49.22 | bryjen | not that I know much about it, but plugin_utils looks to be building as a shared lib... |
| 21:49.39 | brlcad | not for long |
| 21:49.42 | Thumper_ | yeah that's probably wrong - it (according to Jeff) needs to be static - but then he slapped that stuff together |
| 21:51.29 | JeffM2501 | oh I totaly 1/2assed it |
| 21:51.30 | JeffM2501 | I'll admit it :) |
| 21:51.30 | JeffM2501 | and it would not be the first time bryjen's been on the end of it :) |
| 21:51.30 | Thumper_ | and other than following what's already been done with Makefile.am/automake I'm just winging it too |
| 21:51.30 | JeffM2501 | had this been 2 years ago. I'd have not even made changes to the makefile :) |
| 21:52.01 | JBdiGriz | Now I know it's Friday. |
| 21:52.07 | bryjen | hmm, the t must've rusted off :/ |
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| 22:01.39 | brlcad | bryjen: his half-tan-ass? |
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| 22:06.07 | brlcad | oh yeah, I'm supposed to be looking at build files, aren't I Thumper_ |
| 22:06.19 | Thumper_ | brlcad: it might actually be working :/ |
| 22:06.31 | brlcad | well paint me purple then |
| 22:08.13 | Thumper_ | but I'm not sure how the depencies work on this.. does it build the plugins in the order they appear in Makefile.am ? -- how do we make sure plugin_utils builds before the first plugin? |
| 22:08.43 | Thumper_ | s/depencies/dependencies/ |
| 22:09.12 | brlcad | dependency order is simply order listed, it doesn't get clever and try to figure it out for you |
| 22:09.27 | Thumper_ | ok so I should move plugin_utils to the top then |
| 22:09.42 | brlcad | so since you need that library first, its subdir has to be listed first before the plugin dirs on the SUBDIRS line |
| 22:09.42 | Thumper_ | so that library is available when plugins need to link |
| 22:09.47 | brlcad | yeppers |
| 22:09.49 | Thumper_ | thx |
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| 22:11.11 | brlcad | so generally the convention is to list in order of dependencies, then alphabetically if otherwise equal |
| 22:11.50 | brlcad | and one per line unless there's only one or two so that diffs are more useful |
| 22:12.13 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03bthansen * 10bzflag/plugins/Makefile.am: |
| 22:12.13 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: Move plugin_utils up the list so it builds before any plugin code that |
| 22:12.13 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: might need it. |
| 22:12.40 | Thumper_ | gah - ok I can sort the list easy enough |
| 22:13.00 | brlcad | M-x sort-region in emacs ;) |
| 22:13.32 | TimRiker | V<draq>:!sort in vim |
| 22:13.36 | TimRiker | er drag |
| 22:14.08 | Thumper_ | Emacs - range M-x sort |
| 22:14.13 | TimRiker | automake/autoconf does work sometimes |
| 22:14.30 | brlcad | it always works, just often not the way one expects or wants ;) |
| 22:14.37 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 22:16.45 | brlcad | Thumper_: also, plugin_utils isn't a -module (though it probably won't matter if you're on linux, but it will matter elsewhere) |
| 22:16.52 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03bthansen * 10bzflag/plugins/Makefile.am: Sort the list of plugins |
| 22:17.37 | brlcad | TimRiker: did you see the cvs statistics parsing I data-mined a week or two ago? |
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| 22:18.23 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03bthansen * 10bzflag/plugins/plugin_utils/Makefile.am: plugin_utils isn't a module |
| 22:20.10 | Thumper_ | brlcad: libplugin_utils.la instead of plugin_utils.la ? |
| 22:20.21 | Thumper_ | plugin_utils/Makefile.am:1: `plugin_utils.la' is not a standard libtool library name |
| 22:24.14 | brlcad | yep |
| 22:24.30 | brlcad | the name is inconsequential, it should be marked as a noinst |
| 22:25.03 | brlcad | the latter being particularly important |
| 22:29.21 | Thumper_ | brlcad: like this? http://www.norang.ca/tmp/Makefile.am |
| 22:31.19 | Thumper_ | nope not like that |
| 22:31.44 | brlcad | heh, you're close |
| 22:32.10 | brlcad | the standard libtool library name rule still holds |
| 22:32.31 | TimRiker | brlcad: nope. |
| 22:33.02 | brlcad | TimRiker: ahh, good stuff .. http://bzflag.bz/statcvs/cvs.html |
| 22:33.38 | brlcad | TimRiker: there was a question of which year it went open source .. 00 or 01? |
| 22:33.46 | brlcad | er, I mean pre |
| 22:34.06 | Thumper_ | lib_LTLIBRARIES = libplugin_utils.la |
| 22:34.08 | Thumper_ | or |
| 22:34.10 | Thumper_ | noinstlib_LTLIBRARIES = libplugin_utils.la |
| 22:34.17 | brlcad | neither :) |
| 22:34.19 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 22:34.20 | JeffM2501 | and was TimRiker the maintiner since it went open? or was CRS maintainer for a bit while it was open? |
| 22:34.22 | Thumper_ | okay ... help? |
| 22:34.36 | brlcad | s/lib/noinst/ |
| 22:34.52 | Thumper_ | noinst_LTLIBRARIES = libplugin_utils.la |
| 22:34.58 | brlcad | give that a try |
| 22:35.27 | Thumper_ | ok... |
| 22:36.17 | brlcad | Thumper_: plugins are supposed to be isolated now, at least they were the last I left them.. :) |
| 22:36.37 | brlcad | so you could just work from plugins and do an autoreconf, ./configure, make in there only |
| 22:36.38 | Thumper_ | yeah but :) I always build everything just in case... |
| 22:36.40 | TimRiker | brlcad: cool cool. |
| 22:36.58 | TimRiker | guess I better get off my duff and commit something in 2007. |
| 22:37.02 | Thumper_ | brlcad: cool - never used autoreconf before |
| 22:37.05 | brlcad | heh |
| 22:37.24 | brlcad | Thumper_: yeah you have, just didn't know it .. it's what autogen.sh does for you |
| 22:37.46 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: I setup SF while Chris and I decided to make it GPL. Then I became maintainer a few weeks later. |
| 22:37.55 | brlcad | Thumper_: you can also cp autogen.sh to the plugins dir and run everything from there instead |
| 22:38.08 | brlcad | Thumper_: that's probably even better to get the options to autoreconf right |
| 22:38.21 | brlcad | TimRiker: so all in 2000 |
| 22:38.23 | brlcad | not 1999 |
| 22:38.34 | Thumper_ | brlcad: ok - you want me to commit that copied autoconf.sh ? |
| 22:38.39 | Thumper_ | er autogen.sh |
| 22:39.04 | TimRiker | it was open sourced early in 2000 |
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| 22:39.12 | brlcad | Thumper_: nah |
| 22:39.31 | brlcad | i'm fixing autogen.sh so you can actually run it as ../autogen.sh if you need to |
| 22:39.49 | brlcad | (actually, it'll work now, but it'll say the wrong things) |
| 22:40.38 | TimRiker | source was released on 06/15/1999 but I don't think the license was clear then. |
| 22:42.04 | brlcad | took you six months to create an sf.net account? :) |
| 22:42.21 | tannerld | lol |
| 22:43.51 | TimRiker | heh. SF was pretty new back then. so was the project. |
| 22:44.04 | TimRiker | well, the project was small, not actually that new. |
| 22:44.44 | TimRiker | so I guess you can call crs' annoucement on 06/15/1999 the "open sourcing" of BZFlag. |
| 22:46.46 | TimRiker | I don't see an annoucement as to GPLing it. I have an email conversation on 03/22/2000 that assumes it is GPLed. I don't seem to recall the original being GPL. |
| 22:47.28 | brlcad | but source code was posted and available at least? |
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| 22:51.15 | Thumper_ | this time for sure... |
| 22:51.39 | TimRiker | yes. 1.7c was the first public on 1999-06-13. it was under crs' own license. Then 1.7d9 on 2000-02-01 was GPL. |
| 22:52.34 | brlcad | good to know.. hmm i wonder if that's documented anywhere |
| 22:53.30 | TimRiker | I checked the source packages on SF, and the dates and licenses are correct there. |
| 22:54.04 | TimRiker | looks like the "public" release of 1.7d9 was on 2000-02-03 but it went out to the list on the 1st. Both the same. |
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| 22:56.27 | TimRiker | looks like 1.7c dropped the non-free-on-windows restriction, so I'd call that release open source. |
| 22:56.47 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/NEWS: |
| 22:56.47 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: per riker's recollections and review of stats, dates, and license information on |
| 22:56.47 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: sf.net, annotate the news file with details on when BZFlag was open sourced. it |
| 22:56.47 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: was first released in june 1999, with the license cleaned up and made gpl in |
| 22:56.47 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: february of 2000. |
| 22:57.03 | TimRiker | heh |
| 22:57.16 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03bthansen * 10bzflag/plugins/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix plugin_utils library name |
| 22:58.02 | Thumper_ | yay I think I'm done. :) |
| 22:58.49 | TimRiker | so the date on the 1.7c release is wrong... |
| 23:00.01 | TimRiker | BZFlag 1.7d release 4 is the first GPL, but I don't have a date on that. |
| 23:03.10 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/NEWS: dates |
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| 23:04.07 | brlcad | yay, first 2007 commit |
| 23:05.11 | MT|WarRock | 0_o |
| 23:05.31 | TimRiker | heh |
| 23:07.16 | TD-Linux | master_tux: while you are at it, bow to brlcad, he's ahead commit-wise :P |
| 23:10.01 | TimRiker | BZFlag 1.7c release 1 was 1999-06-01. updating the ones I can find in NEWS. |
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| 23:21.20 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/NEWS: more dates |
| 23:23.27 | brlcad | TimRiker: nifty |
| 23:24.47 | TimRiker | brlcad: all those are from the email announcements. one has a ? cause crs did not say the version, just that there was one. could have been the other one next to it. |
| 23:24.55 | brlcad | i'm probably in the minority, but I actually enjoy seeing and reading project histories, complete authorhips, etc for codes that have been around more than a decade |
| 23:25.15 | TimRiker | did not find a date for the first GPL entry. ah well. |
| 23:25.36 | TimRiker | can't seem to find the conversation crs and I had about it either. |
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| 23:27.27 | brlcad | woot, so there's where they hid the stargate! .. http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070221/ids_photos_wl/r1076451873.jpg/print;_ylt=An6DVfRcj1od5amIIxkjxAiaK8MA |
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| 23:50.45 | TimRiker | did I mention that I finally got around to running bzflag on my xbox console? it was under linux with no hardware 3d, so as expected, it sucked. |
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| 23:51.17 | inchworm | that's cool though |
| 23:51.47 | inchworm | just need some opengl on an xbox now.. |
| 23:52.05 | TimRiker | I could turn all the effects on and get a screenshot that would look cool. but with all that it'd be like 8spf (thats seconds per frame, not frames per second) |
| 23:52.19 | inchworm | hehe |
| 23:52.41 | inchworm | still cool |
| 23:52.43 | TimRiker | with bare minimum at 400x300 I could get about 8fps out of it. |
| 23:52.58 | TimRiker | it was fun, but not for long. :) |
| 23:53.06 | inchworm | and what does /clientquery return :) |
| 23:53.33 | TimRiker | just debian. it's a debian binary. |
| 23:53.53 | inchworm | oh, interesting |
| 23:54.23 | TimRiker | I don't have access to an XDK to make a native. and that would mean porting it to DirectX which is a LARGE undertaking. |
| 23:55.12 | inchworm | ugg, DirectX isn't open in any way is it? |
| 23:55.17 | TimRiker | no opengl hardware on xbox-linux and no opengl on xbox-native. |
| 23:55.43 | TimRiker | well, you can get books on directx. so that might meet M$'s idea of open. |
| 23:55.48 | brlcad | that's a decent sun protection factor |
| 23:56.03 | TimRiker | :) |
| 23:56.42 | brlcad | did you have net access? |
| 23:57.12 | TimRiker | yes. I joined a few games, got IMs which were near impossible to read at 400x300 |
| 23:57.36 | brlcad | hehe |
| 23:57.59 | brlcad | could have upped the fontsize on the menu |
| 23:58.13 | brlcad | might have givne you 32 pixels of 3d viewing or something, but hey.. ;) |
| 23:58.24 | TimRiker | yeah, then it wraps horribly. I tried both. |
| 23:59.23 | brlcad | ahh fun |
