| 00:00.15 | brad | we need a big flashing sign on the cgi:irc that says WAIT FOR HELP |
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| 00:00.54 | bz55 | hey |
| 00:01.18 | spldart | problem? |
| 00:01.19 | bz55 | do I have to register online? I keep getting a message in the game saying i need to register |
| 00:01.36 | spldart | register @ bzbb? |
| 00:01.46 | bz55 | possibly |
| 00:01.48 | JeffM2501 | depends where you are trying to play |
| 00:02.00 | JeffM2501 | many server require at least bzbb registration |
| 00:02.00 | spldart | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/index.php?sid=0286efa23180ee3169e49f4f851c6137 |
| 00:02.03 | bz55 | just some particular servers |
| 00:02.06 | bz55 | oh ok |
| 00:02.07 | JeffM2501 | some require further registration |
| 00:02.14 | bz55 | alrighty, thatnks |
| 00:02.20 | JeffM2501 | like the gu leauge servers ALSO need to be registered and approved for gu play |
| 00:02.32 | bz55 | how do you differenciate? |
| 00:02.37 | bz55 | hm |
| 00:02.45 | JeffM2501 | depends on what the server has set up |
| 00:02.54 | brad | they will usually say in the welcome message |
| 00:03.09 | JeffM2501 | what server are you trying to play on? |
| 00:03.24 | bz55 | just random ones |
| 00:03.33 | bz55 | none in particular |
| 00:03.35 | JeffM2501 | register on the forums |
| 00:03.46 | JeffM2501 | then use your registered callsign and password in the game fields |
| 00:03.52 | JeffM2501 | that should get you into more of the servers |
| 00:04.19 | bz55 | ok, will do. thanks for the help |
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| 00:13.17 | blast007 | is there any way to control the ratio of good to bad flags when using the -s and +s paramaters? |
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| 01:23.52 | spldart | LOL... Methinks I ran across a cheat client... SB and OO @ same time... not sure though.... heh |
| 01:26.20 | brad | what player? |
| 01:31.51 | spldart | Not sure... he left when we got into it head to head... I was like "What the" and then over... I don't want to throw out a name in case I'm wrong... Very low lag for him and me and the fact is it wouldn't have made much diff if what I saw was right... I'll say his name had 3 letters |
| 01:33.48 | spldart | Meh... that's not clear... I'm sure of his name but not POSITIVE if I saw him cheat.... |
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| 02:09.42 | blast007 | spldart: could have also just been a wall walker |
| 02:11.01 | blast007 | or if they were just shooting out of a building, they could have had OO, gotten inside a hollow object, and either shot out (if it was a 1 sided mesh) or grabbed a SB inside the object |
| 02:11.25 | blast007 | that's assuming that inside points weren't used to prevent that |
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| 02:41.53 | anti-spam | I think i may quit bzflag................. |
| 02:44.30 | anti-spam | I dont have the time to play anymore.......... |
| 02:47.49 | brlcad | ........... |
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| 02:51.35 | delusional_ | maybe he saw his avatar |
| 02:52.03 | inchworm | nuttin like der kaputin CGI to machen mine gespeken to go crank |
| 02:52.25 | anti-spam_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:53.00 | anti-spam_ | shit......... |
| 02:53.11 | inchworm | umm |
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| 03:51.34 | Theme97 | brad: How's work on that plugin? |
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| 05:48.00 | anti-spam | anti-spam, ahahahahahaha |
| 05:50.26 | wegstar | heh :) |
| 05:56.20 | brlcad | heh, http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/7848/image001ac0.jpg |
| 05:59.34 | blast007 | :) |
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| 07:25.10 | Fiesta-Net | halawww |
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| 07:28.24 | sjfghig | hgguoi4riot |
| 07:28.38 | sjfghig | lirugj94o j94 |
| 07:54.12 | brlcad | my thoughts exactly |
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| 08:07.09 | Fiesta-Net | rt6th5 |
| 08:28.15 | brlcad | ~rot13 rt6th5 |
| 08:28.15 | ibot | eg6gu5 |
| 08:28.30 | brlcad | ooh, that's better |
| 08:31.00 | Manu | hola brlcad :) |
| 08:44.25 | brlcad | nanoo manuu |
| 08:51.22 | Manu | heh I have heard it before brlcad ;) |
| 09:50.15 | brlcad | Manu: I know, at least from me on several occasions ;) |
| 09:57.18 | Manu | brlcad: not only from you... years ago a player told me too.. it was from a tv show iirc |
| 09:57.35 | Manu | or it was you too :/ |
| 10:25.39 | Birdie | ah brlcad are you there? |
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| 10:29.36 | brlcad | nope |
| 10:30.10 | brlcad | Manu: at least once the talk was with me ;) |
| 10:30.15 | brlcad | mork and mindy |
| 10:30.22 | brlcad | good stuff |
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| 14:01.11 | zee806 | I've had a problem with my srver list not listing avalable servers - internet connection fine - tried re-installing bzflag itself but that has not worked any ideas any one ? |
| 14:01.35 | donny_baker | it lists no servers? |
| 14:02.16 | donny_baker | do you get a message that says "unable to contact List Server" (or something to that effect? |
| 14:02.21 | zee806 | yes no servers are listed at all, but if put in an adress for server it connects to that |
| 14:02.34 | zee806 | thats right just like u say |
| 14:03.16 | donny_baker | could be that you are behind a proxy server |
| 14:03.29 | donny_baker | let me find the article that shows you a work around |
| 14:03.41 | zee806 | ok thanks donny |
| 14:04.49 | donny_baker | http://my.bzflag.org/wiki/index.php/Common_Support_Issues |
| 14:05.20 | zee806 | thnaks for that donny, i look that uo right away cheers |
| 14:05.36 | donny_baker | try the one about gloabla login |
| 14:05.52 | donny_baker | not sure it will help, but we can try :) |
| 14:05.53 | zee806 | global loggin gottya |
| 14:05.59 | zee806 | thanks again |
| 14:06.12 | donny_baker | if it doesn't work... were here |
| 14:06.55 | zee806 | thanks i'll know hwere to come in the future, |
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| 15:48.27 | orchid | hi :-) |
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| 18:25.51 | TheRedBaron | I'm assuming I'm not the only one to use dual monitors and play bz right? |
| 18:26.07 | Erroneous | right |
| 18:26.16 | TheRedBaron | there is a slight problem, with the mouse traveling over to the other screen |
| 18:26.22 | TheRedBaron | even with "confine mouse" turned on |
| 18:26.27 | Erroneous | run in a window |
| 18:26.41 | TheRedBaron | Erroneous: i suspect I"m probably the only one on win2k using dual monitors, and playing bz |
| 18:28.00 | JeffM2501 | IIRC confine mouse dosn't do jack on windows, only SDL builds |
| 18:28.18 | JeffM2501 | tho I could tell you the secret config option |
| 18:28.18 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: you're right |
| 18:28.24 | JeffM2501 | tho I don't think you can handle it |
| 18:28.31 | JeffM2501 | your not ready for the truth |
| 18:28.32 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: what do I have to bribe you with? |
| 18:28.52 | JeffM2501 | round radar |
| 18:28.59 | TheRedBaron | no no no! |
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| 18:29.01 | TheRedBaron | please no! |
| 18:29.05 | JeffM2501 | what version are you on? |
| 18:29.07 | TheRedBaron | I can't handle it! |
| 18:29.11 | TheRedBaron | 2.0.8 |
| 18:29.19 | JeffM2501 | you'd have to upgrade to the las .9 |
| 18:29.44 | TheRedBaron | ah, I won't have to build it from current .9 cvs will I? |
| 18:29.49 | JeffM2501 | then add set Win32NoMin 1 to your config |
| 18:29.52 | JeffM2501 | no I did a binary |
| 18:29.55 | JeffM2501 | on the beta site. |
| 18:30.10 | JeffM2501 | that will prevent BZ from minimising on a loss of focus |
| 18:30.18 | JeffM2501 | but for the love of the gods, don't hit F4 |
| 18:30.22 | TheRedBaron | but not confine mouse? |
| 18:30.25 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 18:30.36 | JeffM2501 | just means you can click back in |
| 18:30.39 | JeffM2501 | and keep playing |
| 18:30.50 | JeffM2501 | it's all we've got for right now |
| 18:30.53 | TheRedBaron | better than nothing |
| 18:30.59 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 18:31.31 | TheRedBaron | thankee Jeff, I will search out the 2.0.9 |
| 18:31.58 | JeffM2501 | beta.bzflag.bz/builds/2.0.x/ |
| 18:32.23 | JeffM2501 | by downloading the version you agree to not say anything when radar is changed. |
| 18:32.32 | TheRedBaron | what!? |
| 18:32.41 | JeffM2501 | thems the rules |
| 18:32.56 | TheRedBaron | is there any hidden clause where you'll want my firstborn too? |
| 18:33.04 | brad | is "round radar" going to be optional? |
| 18:33.28 | JeffM2501 | no, tend to be stringy when young |
| 18:33.44 | JeffM2501 | options are for girls |
| 18:33.52 | TheRedBaron | hard choice... first born... or round radar... |
| 18:34.25 | JeffM2501 | I care not about children of others |
| 18:35.57 | TheRedBaron | you really can't be serious... round radar? |
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| 18:36.08 | JeffM2501 | the current frace of a radar must change |
| 18:36.18 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, I have none of my own, so that rules out caring for them ;) |
| 18:36.38 | Erroneous | it would also seem to make the qualifier rather redundant ;) |
| 18:36.43 | Erroneous | that's why I found it interesting |
| 18:36.46 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 18:36.57 | JeffM2501 | I meant farce, not frace |
| 18:37.04 | JeffM2501 | I don't even know what a frace is |
| 18:38.00 | Erroneous | TheRedBaron: what makes you think he's not serious? |
| 18:38.23 | brad | it works fine now, so why change it? |
| 18:38.28 | TheRedBaron | Erroneous: its just... I can't handle it! |
| 18:38.33 | TheRedBaron | it can't be true! |
| 18:38.39 | JeffM2501 | to make it accurate with real radar |
| 18:38.43 | TheRedBaron | I refuse to believe! |
| 18:38.53 | JeffM2501 | not this omipotent satalite videw we have now |
| 18:38.57 | brad | jumping tanks aren't real! |
| 18:39.16 | TheRedBaron | ~omnipotence++ |
| 18:39.23 | JeffM2501 | geting a tank to jump is a lot easyer then providing what our radar does now ;) |
| 18:40.01 | JeffM2501 | and at least that atempts to obey the laws of gravity |
| 18:40.41 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: are you trying to send me into a breakdown? round radar? |
| 18:40.59 | JeffM2501 | and make it only be able to go thru so much mass before the signal degrades |
| 18:41.10 | Erroneous | omniscience, not omnipotence, btw |
| 18:41.19 | Erroneous | the radar can't actually do everything |
| 18:41.19 | JeffM2501 | ahh thanks |
| 18:41.24 | Erroneous | it can just know everything :) |
| 18:41.24 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 18:42.24 | Erroneous | and actually omnispective is a better description than that |
| 18:42.27 | JeffM2501 | realy for it to even "be" radar i would have to bounce the signal off the first bit of reflective mass it saw |
| 18:42.38 | Erroneous | since it doesn't necessarily know anything, just sees everything |
| 18:42.38 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: do you have some blasphemic pictures of said round radar? |
| 18:42.52 | JeffM2501 | I have show them in the past |
| 18:43.04 | Erroneous | JeffM2501: multiband radar can see through things |
| 18:43.07 | JeffM2501 | not everything just stuff around a plane :) |
| 18:43.15 | JeffM2501 | yeah thru some things |
| 18:43.19 | Erroneous | most materials reflect at certain frequencies, and are transparent at others |
| 18:43.32 | Erroneous | so if you use enough frequencies, you can get a pretty good 3d image |
| 18:43.49 | JeffM2501 | then lets do it as a 3d image :) |
| 18:45.09 | JeffM2501 | tho for objects with the same material, you'd think even with multiband you'd get a reflection of only the first one right? |
| 18:45.12 | JeffM2501 | for that frequency |
| 18:45.20 | Erroneous | yup |
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| 18:45.36 | Erroneous | you basically get a front projection of most objects |
| 18:45.41 | Erroneous | like a tank |
| 18:45.48 | Erroneous | you'd only be able to "see" the side closest to you |
| 18:45.52 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:46.13 | JeffM2501 | that's what I'm thinking |
| 18:46.17 | Erroneous | unless you had really good interferometrics and could bounce the signal off the back side of the tank (like using a mirror) |
| 18:46.22 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 18:46.43 | JeffM2501 | I wanted basicly each objec to cast a radial shadow and block what's behind it |
| 18:46.47 | JeffM2501 | tho spherical would be better |
| 18:47.03 | Erroneous | hm, that's an interesting idea |
| 18:47.41 | JeffM2501 | tho tieng that also to acusitcs could be cool |
| 18:47.56 | TheRedBaron | ~lart round radar |
| 18:47.58 | Erroneous | especially with multiband...could "see" one tank behind the building, but not the tank behind him |
| 18:47.58 | JeffM2501 | show tanks signals based off how fast they move :) |
| 18:48.17 | Erroneous | and you'd only be able to see the walls closest to you |
| 18:48.20 | Erroneous | like a fog of war |
| 18:48.39 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:48.42 | JeffM2501 | like a fog of war |
| 18:48.54 | JeffM2501 | good analogy |
| 18:49.13 | TheRedBaron | leave Fog of War for RTS games :( |
| 18:49.37 | Erroneous | hey, didn't you agree not to say anything? :P |
| 18:49.43 | JeffM2501 | leave the full view top down view for RTS games ;) |
| 18:50.09 | JeffM2501 | and pacman |
| 18:50.11 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: I wasn't pushing for a top down view |
| 18:50.18 | JeffM2501 | that's what radar IS |
| 18:50.26 | JeffM2501 | it's not radar, it's a top down view of the world |
| 18:50.34 | JeffM2501 | bzflag == pacman |
| 18:50.48 | TheRedBaron | blaspheme |
| 18:51.00 | Erroneous | using projection allows some interesting strategies, like intentionally hiding behind tanks |
| 18:51.03 | JeffM2501 | blas phor me, blas phor you! |
| 18:51.04 | TimRiker | hmm. just found an old email re moving to svn. Is anyone working on that? |
| 18:51.19 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, brlcad was/is |
| 18:51.26 | Erroneous | and possibilities for mapmaking, like having tank-density materials that hide tanks behind them |
| 18:51.28 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, or hiding behind buildings, etc.. |
| 18:51.31 | JeffM2501 | more then one that is |
| 18:51.41 | TheRedBaron | why not just have orbital sattelites, and the radar is the wireless feed from the orbital sattelites? |
| 18:51.43 | TheRedBaron | :D |
| 18:51.53 | TimRiker | I did it for some of my other SF projects, I think I even did up a bzflag svn conversion, but I never uploaded it. |
| 18:52.02 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, then make them block out the view based on what is over you |
| 18:52.05 | JeffM2501 | in a 3d map |
| 18:52.08 | Erroneous | TheRedBaron: you've seen how low our skycone is! ;) |
| 18:52.43 | JeffM2501 | then people could hide under bridges :) |
| 18:52.53 | TheRedBaron | you forget I'm a league player :) |
| 18:52.58 | TheRedBaron | that woudl suit me fine :) |
| 18:53.35 | JeffM2501 | so "your" leauge is the only leauge? |
| 18:53.44 | TheRedBaron | leagues |
| 18:53.45 | Erroneous | pretty much yeah :) |
| 18:53.48 | TheRedBaron | gu and ducati |
| 18:53.49 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 18:53.54 | JeffM2501 | well that is probably true |
| 18:53.59 | TheRedBaron | we don't have bridges :) |
| 18:54.05 | Erroneous | gu has bridges |
| 18:54.07 | TheRedBaron | well, really really small bridges |
| 18:54.17 | TheRedBaron | Erroneous: its rather hard for some one to hide under them though |
| 18:54.21 | JeffM2501 | for a satalite you'd have to also have the clouds get in the way |
| 18:54.24 | TheRedBaron | and you'd have to hold still = easy target |
| 18:54.30 | JeffM2501 | and boy would green tanks be hated :) |
| 18:54.41 | TheRedBaron | we use red vs purple :D |
| 18:54.44 | Erroneous | don't need clouds to get in the way |
| 18:54.59 | JeffM2501 | do it IR |
| 18:55.04 | JeffM2501 | and turn off the team colors ;) |
| 18:55.14 | Erroneous | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magellan_probe |
| 18:55.59 | JeffM2501 | it do an optical or a radar pass? |
| 18:56.00 | TheRedBaron | ~whaleslap the devs |
| 18:56.01 | ibot | ACTION beats the devs upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 18:56.02 | Erroneous | hm, could be fun to disable team colors when they were under a cloud :) |
| 18:56.13 | Erroneous | JeffM2501: radar |
| 18:56.19 | JeffM2501 | yeah that'd ditch teamness |
| 18:56.59 | Erroneous | venus has the thickest, most opaque cloud cover of any known rocky planet |
| 18:57.00 | JeffM2501 | also would that not show the ground? |
| 18:57.07 | JeffM2501 | on a radar scan |
| 18:57.22 | Erroneous | would what not? |
| 18:57.25 | JeffM2501 | guess you could filter the depth data |
| 18:57.30 | JeffM2501 | a satalite based radar |
| 18:57.31 | Erroneous | yeah |
| 18:57.42 | Erroneous | distance is easy to calculate from sat |
| 18:58.22 | JeffM2501 | my idea was to just have objects cast some shadows, but let it go thru so many "units" of mass before it didn't come back |
| 18:58.28 | JeffM2501 | so you'd get fuzzy edges |
| 18:58.50 | JeffM2501 | and then do tanks based on distance and speed |
| 18:59.08 | JeffM2501 | make them show up well at distance when moving fast or shooting |
| 18:59.36 | JeffM2501 | as if it was taking info from more then one sensor system |
| 18:59.52 | JeffM2501 | radar and motion tracker, etc.. |
| 19:00.17 | JeffM2501 | then you could make a team dropable remote sensor |
| 19:00.26 | JeffM2501 | that would give info from a fixed point |
| 19:00.33 | JeffM2501 | but if it gets run over it gets busted :) |
| 19:00.36 | TheRedBaron | time to lengthen the matches |
| 19:01.28 | JeffM2501 | oh you want me to finish it faster? |
| 19:01.29 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 19:01.33 | JeffM2501 | no prob |
| 19:01.38 | JeffM2501 | I can stop working on forsooth |
| 19:01.59 | TheRedBaron | no no! I want you to fix it! |
| 19:02.13 | TheRedBaron | to the radar we all know and love |
| 19:02.41 | JeffM2501 | fix.. ok finish it off and fix all the bugs |
| 19:02.42 | JeffM2501 | no bigie |
| 19:02.43 | JeffM2501 | great |
| 19:03.43 | JeffM2501 | dude, that stuff is hard |
| 19:03.44 | JeffM2501 | no way |
| 19:04.14 | JeffM2501 | and we don't do asignments |
| 19:04.18 | brad | ~bind JeffM2501 |
| 19:04.19 | ibot | ACTION wraps JeffM2501 up with 100 rolls of duct tape |
| 19:04.24 | TheRedBaron | ~distract JeffM2501 |
| 19:04.26 | ibot | ACTION puts on a brunet wig and saunters past JeffM2501 with a cold beer in her hand. "Hello, sailor! Wanna go for a ride?" |
| 19:04.36 | JeffM2501 | umm.. dude.. eww |
| 19:04.51 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: there's a redhead in there somewhere... |
| 19:04.54 | TheRedBaron | ~distract JeffM2501 |
| 19:04.56 | ibot | ACTION puts on a red wig and saunters past JeffM2501 with a cold beer in her hand. "Hello, sailor! Wanna go for a ride?" |
| 19:05.03 | JeffM2501 | please don't make me vommit |
| 19:05.44 | TheRedBaron | this is not good |
| 19:05.50 | TheRedBaron | one of us is going to vomit... |
| 19:05.54 | TheRedBaron | me over round radar |
| 19:10.12 | JeffM2501 | it's ok, we have this cool +q mode for people who complain too much :) |
| 19:12.10 | TheRedBaron | ~lart JeffM2501 |
| 19:12.12 | TheRedBaron | :) |
| 19:12.29 | JeffM2501 | hey, ya let Wings get put in |
| 19:14.26 | TheRedBaron | wings? |
| 19:14.42 | TheRedBaron | i had nothing to do with wings |
| 19:14.53 | TheRedBaron | and wings is optional too ;) |
| 19:15.31 | TheRedBaron | and ya can't win em all, So I'm selective in my battles ;) |
| 19:15.41 | JeffM2501 | so is radar, you can turn it off at a server level |
| 19:15.43 | JeffM2501 | just like wings |
| 19:15.52 | brlcad | TimRiker: there was a dev that had some questions about the migration so it was put on hold to talk to him -- his concerns were appeased, so it's back on the todo list and has just been OBE since the discussion |
| 19:15.55 | TheRedBaron | brlcad: talk some sense into JeffM2501 ! |
| 19:16.03 | brlcad | hmm? |
| 19:16.40 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure brlcad knows a lot about real radar in the tank world ;) |
| 19:17.02 | brlcad | less than I wish I knew, but more than most probably ;) |
| 19:17.37 | brlcad | real radar in the game would be kinda cool |
| 19:17.48 | JeffM2501 | see :) |
| 19:18.19 | brlcad | not sure I'd replace the current radar with it, or retain some sort of top-down interface that is equiv, but real radar has it's own interesting effects |
| 19:18.41 | brlcad | it would be pretty hard to implement a really truthful radar I bet.. we have no material properties to go on |
| 19:19.03 | JeffM2501 | I wanted to 1/2 way fake it |
| 19:19.29 | JeffM2501 | give em a bit of top down, around them |
| 19:19.33 | JeffM2501 | but not the full videw |
| 19:19.34 | JeffM2501 | view |
| 19:19.46 | JeffM2501 | and make the tanks show up on like a motion sensor :) |
| 19:20.04 | JeffM2501 | just call it "sensor view" |
| 19:20.42 | JeffM2501 | then we'd have to put in splash damage and tank health of course |
| 19:20.54 | JeffM2501 | and make em hovertanks so they could jump |
| 19:21.05 | brlcad | heh |
| 19:21.12 | JeffM2501 | since they are firing directed plasma weapons anyway |
| 19:21.36 | JeffM2501 | then make it so that when you get hit, you have to eject before the tank blows |
| 19:21.42 | JeffM2501 | and run to a base to respawn |
| 19:21.48 | JeffM2501 | that'd be awesome |
| 19:22.01 | JeffM2501 | bzflag with permadeath |
| 19:23.14 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, how much do tanks weigh? |
| 19:24.05 | brlcad | hmm, we really should beef up the permissions interface so that gui customization and enforcement (and skins) became more manageable -- so you could have server-directed toggles on different radar styles, for example, or even the appearance of the chat console, and shot meters, etc |
| 19:24.21 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 19:24.25 | brlcad | JeffM2501: depends which tank.. there are heavy and light tanks |
| 19:24.30 | JeffM2501 | average |
| 19:24.36 | JeffM2501 | say one the size of the BZ tank |
| 19:24.41 | brlcad | there is no average really ;) |
| 19:24.54 | brlcad | the army is moving away from heavy armored tanks |
| 19:25.01 | JeffM2501 | if it was a hovertank what would be the psi of the load spread under the full footbrint |
| 19:25.11 | JeffM2501 | coudl it run over a dude and not kill em |
| 19:25.15 | brlcad | towards more system of systems networked mobile vehicle platforms -- future combat systems |
| 19:25.19 | JeffM2501 | asuming some sort of even support field |
| 19:26.28 | brlcad | BZ was sort of modeled after the M1, which is a heavy armored tank -- about 60 tons |
| 19:27.17 | brlcad | the newer FCS systems are generally a third or half that |
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| 19:28.26 | JeffM2501 | 34815 square inches of footprint |
| 19:28.31 | JeffM2501 | based on the bbox |
| 19:28.50 | brlcad | hmm.. i bet three cargo jet engines could hover a tank |
| 19:28.52 | JeffM2501 | 3.4 psi |
| 19:29.04 | JeffM2501 | that'd be surviveable |
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| 19:29.15 | JeffM2501 | if you were on your back I'd think |
| 19:30.36 | JeffM2501 | sorry back up |
| 19:30.38 | JeffM2501 | face down |
| 19:31.05 | JeffM2501 | probably be higher in the 4-5 range, cus I'm counting the space under the barrel |
| 19:35.35 | brlcad | hmm.. even the heavy lift helicopters can only pull up about 10 tons |
| 19:35.57 | brlcad | three probably wouldn't be enough :) |
| 19:38.39 | brlcad | ooh, the H53 can carry almost 20 |
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| 19:41.38 | kahcepb[RU] | n/nickserv identify pft,fkb |
| 19:41.42 | kahcepb[RU] | ncrap :) |
| 19:41.52 | ts | change password quick |
| 19:42.00 | ts | or I'll take your nick :) |
| 19:42.06 | ts | j/k |
| 19:42.27 | *** join/#bzflag kahcepb[RU] (n=kahcepb@82.138.35.122) |
| 19:42.57 | brlcad | that hasn't happened in a long time :) |
| 19:43.10 | brad | heh, it happened yesterday |
| 19:43.17 | brad | with anti-spam |
| 19:43.53 | ts | kahcepb[RU], /msg NickServ help set password |
| 19:44.24 | TheRedBaron | thats just cruel |
| 19:44.29 | TheRedBaron | ~n |
| 19:44.30 | ibot | rumour has it, n is the disease bzflag players get when they play too much. There is no cure. |
| 19:45.10 | kahcepb[RU] | indeed |
| 19:45.21 | kahcepb[RU] | silly me anyway |
| 19:46.27 | CBG | That wasn't me, though it would have been if I'd been watching the channel... :P |
| 19:47.25 | brad | it should say who ghosted you |
| 19:49.49 | brlcad | he's lucky he was only ghosted once ;) |
| 19:50.26 | CBG | I assumed he changed it already, otherwise could have been more... |
| 19:50.29 | kahcepb[RU] | very funny ;) |
| 19:50.38 | kahcepb[RU] | ni am |
| 19:51.12 | kahcepb[RU] | but n is evil |
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| 19:51.36 | Bz_Win | boop |
| 19:52.07 | CBG | No, we are not interested in purchasing anything, Bz_Win. |
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| 20:06.38 | Bz_Win | Oh dear, not him agai |
| 20:10.59 | Manu | brlcad: is autogen.sh ok? it parses my automake 1.10 to 1.1.0 :/ |
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| 20:14.23 | Manu | brlcad: echo "automake (GNU automake) 1.10" | sed 's/.* [0-9]\.\([0-9]\).*/\1/' |
| 20:14.32 | Manu | returns 1 :) |
| 20:14.41 | Manu | is not redy for .10 |
| 20:14.46 | Manu | ready* |
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| 20:17.33 | brlcad | Manu: is that cvs head? |
| 20:17.34 | Bz_Win | oh boy... |
| 20:17.51 | Manu | I got the CrystalSpace version |
| 20:18.01 | brlcad | cvs head has an updated autogen.sh that works with 1.10 |
| 20:18.07 | brlcad | ahhh |
| 20:18.16 | brlcad | CS version is forked off of 2_0branch |
| 20:18.21 | Manu | yes |
| 20:18.34 | brlcad | i didn't back-commit autogen.sh to 2.0 |
| 20:18.58 | Manu | :) |
| 20:19.56 | Manu | are you going to update the 2_0branch too? :) |
| 20:21.03 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/autogen.sh: update from head so autogen.sh will parse automake 1.10 among a variety of other improvements |
| 20:21.07 | brlcad | no :) |
| 20:21.27 | Manu | heh |
| 20:22.28 | Manu | no update :/ |
| 20:23.03 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/BZFlag.xcode/.cvsignore: ignore the pbxuser files |
| 20:23.11 | brlcad | you're on the branch |
| 20:23.11 | Manu | brlcad: v2_0_cs_branch is not updated :/ |
| 20:23.37 | brlcad | do you have commit? |
| 20:23.47 | Manu | no |
| 20:23.50 | brlcad | bah |
| 20:23.54 | Manu | :p |
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| 20:25.31 | Manu | I'll do.. |
| 20:28.47 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0_cs_branch * 10bzflag/autogen.sh: make manu happy, update from head so automake 1.10 is detected correctly |
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| 20:31.44 | Manu | brlcad: arg... I'm slow... :/ |
| 20:31.55 | Manu | I was reading Tupone's changes |
| 20:32.20 | brlcad | i need caffeine |
| 20:33.23 | brlcad | la necesito ya! |
| 20:39.38 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, jato bottles, lots of jato bottles. |
| 20:40.56 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, so I'll take it I should not include you in the new radar beta test group then? |
| 20:41.05 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: oh you better had :) |
| 20:41.20 | *** join/#bzflag dragon3700 (n=unknown@hunt1-dhcp-227.greenmountainaccess.net) |
| 20:41.24 | JeffM2501 | I don't think you'd be able to give an un biased opinion |
| 20:41.40 | dragon3700 | ok, i need a little help wit publiching my server |
| 20:41.54 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: I'd be a representative |
| 20:42.05 | blast007 | dragon3700: hi bz20 |
| 20:42.15 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, this isn't a democracy ;) |
| 20:42.15 | TheRedBaron | the voice of the radar |
| 20:42.18 | dragon3700 | lol, you found me out |
| 20:42.26 | dragon3700 | i made a new server |
| 20:42.29 | JeffM2501 | you get your router figured out? |
| 20:42.33 | dragon3700 | i checked my firewall |
| 20:42.35 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: anarchy perhaps? |
| 20:42.39 | dragon3700 | and my router |
| 20:42.48 | dragon3700 | and all my security |
| 20:42.51 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, benevolent dicktatorship |
| 20:42.54 | dragon3700 | and i dont have a proxy server |
| 20:42.59 | TheRedBaron | argh! |
| 20:43.14 | TheRedBaron | so, what kind of bribes does our dicktator like? ;) |
| 20:43.22 | JeffM2501 | round radars |
| 20:43.29 | dragon3700 | wht was the command for the terminal to check my server again? |
| 20:43.35 | dragon3700 | that -conf thing? |
| 20:43.37 | blast007 | ~spell dicktator |
| 20:43.40 | TheRedBaron | how about we just code him a personal round radar? |
| 20:43.52 | JeffM2501 | blast007, oh I spelled it like that for a reason :) |
| 20:43.52 | TheRedBaron | blast007: I'm hoping it was misspelt on purpose, for the pun ;) |
| 20:44.00 | blast007 | ;) |
| 20:44.12 | JeffM2501 | dragon3700, can users other then you connect to the server? |
| 20:44.28 | dragon3700 | i cant even connect to my server! |
| 20:44.33 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 20:44.38 | blast007 | nice |
| 20:44.38 | JeffM2501 | is it running? |
| 20:44.43 | dragon3700 | yep |
| 20:44.51 | dragon3700 | wb |
| 20:44.54 | JeffM2501 | what address do you put in your local client to conenct to it? |
| 20:44.56 | dragon3700 | w8 i mean |
| 20:44.59 | blast007 | try connecting to the local IP |
| 20:45.07 | JeffM2501 | or 127.0.0.1 |
| 20:45.11 | Manu | or localhost |
| 20:45.21 | JeffM2501 | or the windows machine name |
| 20:45.24 | dragon3700 | i can connect to the localhost |
| 20:45.34 | JeffM2501 | ok then the server is running |
| 20:45.46 | dragon3700 | ~bzfquery hipedup.allout.battle:5154 |
| 20:45.52 | Manu | next question is can someone connect.. |
| 20:45.55 | Manu | heh |
| 20:45.56 | JeffM2501 | that's not a valid domain |
| 20:46.14 | blast007 | JeffM2501: didn't you hear about the new .battle domains?! |
| 20:46.15 | dragon3700 | oh, well that explains his whole problem! |
| 20:46.19 | JeffM2501 | IIRC there isn't a ".battle" TLD |
| 20:46.27 | JeffM2501 | blast007, musta missed that on /. |
| 20:46.33 | dragon3700 | so what is a correct name? |
| 20:46.34 | blast007 | hehehe |
| 20:46.44 | blast007 | dragon3700: whatever you have that points to your external IP |
| 20:46.52 | JeffM2501 | dragon3700, where are you geting these domain names? |
| 20:46.59 | brad | ~bzfquery hunt1-dhcp-227.greenmountainaccess.net |
| 20:47.01 | blast007 | we don't have any control over that, nor would we know what it was |
| 20:47.01 | JeffM2501 | off the top of your head? |
| 20:47.03 | TheRedBaron | dragon3700: google "What is my ip" |
| 20:47.15 | JeffM2501 | or are you using something like no-ip.com? |
| 20:47.18 | dragon3700 | kk, brb |
| 20:47.24 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: I suspect he's not |
| 20:47.30 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, http://www.whatismyip.com works ;) |
| 20:47.42 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: wasn't to sure, so I just sent him to google :) |
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| 20:47.50 | JeffM2501 | I know, just leting you know |
| 20:47.55 | JeffM2501 | it's easy to remember :) |
| 20:47.55 | TheRedBaron | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.58 | Manu | probably he used his windows machine name :) |
| 20:48.06 | kahcepb_ | hehe |
| 20:48.08 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: I'm something of a dunce :D |
| 20:48.32 | blast007 | I'm a wizard now! |
| 20:48.44 | dragon3700 | i got my ip |
| 20:48.56 | ts | Manu: You forgot the ® ;) |
| 20:49.06 | Manu | ts: hehe |
| 20:49.07 | JeffM2501 | then that is how people outside of your lan connect to you |
| 20:49.11 | JeffM2501 | use that |
| 20:49.22 | TheRedBaron | so, if I wanted to connect to your server, and your server was set up correctly, I'd need your IP |
| 20:49.36 | dragon3700 | ~bzfquery 69.54.11.227:5154 |
| 20:49.39 | TheRedBaron | blast007: could you turn JeffM2501 into a toad for me? before he ruins my radar? |
| 20:50.08 | blast007 | but round radar is cool |
| 20:50.33 | TheRedBaron | is there no voice of reason? |
| 20:50.43 | JeffM2501 | only the voice of justice!!! |
| 20:50.47 | ts | TheRedBaron: We all want round radar, the square has no choice, it needs to go |
| 20:50.57 | dragon3700 | when will the thing come up saying tht it was correct or not? |
| 20:51.01 | TheRedBaron | oh the horror |
| 20:51.10 | blast007 | dragon3700: your router/firewall is not set up right |
| 20:51.12 | JeffM2501 | dragon3700, if it could connect it would be nearly instant |
| 20:51.16 | blast007 | 5154 TCP is showing as filtered |
| 20:51.17 | JeffM2501 | yeah your not setup right yet |
| 20:51.29 | JeffM2501 | you need TCP and UDP to be forwareded |
| 20:51.33 | blast007 | so make sure you are forwarding to the right IP |
| 20:51.35 | Manu | dragon3700: are you connected to a router? |
| 20:51.51 | dragon3700 | i have dsl, an i am connected to a modem box |
| 20:51.59 | TheRedBaron | dragon3700: I can't connect |
| 20:52.00 | JeffM2501 | is your modem also a router? |
| 20:52.15 | dragon3700 | let me get my modem sheet |
| 20:52.18 | Manu | or a usb modem? |
| 20:53.16 | brad | dragon3700: there are already many public servers available.. is there really a need for one more? |
| 20:53.37 | dragon3700 | im reading my manual. |
| 20:54.05 | Manu | is your modem connected to usb or ethernet? |
| 20:54.06 | Bz_Win | Wait, no more square radar? |
| 20:54.10 | dragon3700 | it isnt a router |
| 20:54.16 | dragon3700 | its connectedd to an ethernet |
| 20:54.34 | Manu | then probably is a router dragon3700 :) |
| 20:54.35 | JeffM2501 | maps are infinate planes :) |
| 20:54.53 | JeffM2501 | they just happen to be bouneded by square walls by default |
| 20:54.53 | dragon3700 | it just says its a modem in my manual |
| 20:55.10 | JeffM2501 | dragon3700, something is filtering your packets |
| 20:55.14 | JeffM2501 | you'll have to find out what it is |
| 20:55.20 | Bz_Win | pft |
| 20:55.29 | ts | Bz_Win: We can make it round only. It's no problem but we were only joking |
| 20:55.31 | JeffM2501 | I doubt your comptuer is just on the raw internet |
| 20:55.39 | JeffM2501 | ts, you were joking? |
| 20:55.43 | JeffM2501 | I wasn't |
| 20:55.43 | dragon3700 | i have a dsl filter on my phone lines, thats it |
| 20:55.55 | JeffM2501 | dragon3700, you should contact your ISP |
| 20:55.55 | Manu | dragon3700: nope :) |
| 20:55.56 | ts | JeffM2501: I hope you were, too ;) |
| 20:56.01 | JeffM2501 | ts, not in the least |
| 20:56.02 | Bz_Win | there he goes! |
| 20:56.10 | JeffM2501 | I bet he pulled the filter :) |
| 20:56.19 | ts | JeffM2501: Eeek |
| 20:56.19 | Manu | lol |
| 20:56.23 | Bz_Win | Careful, he may sure you for malpractice |
| 20:56.24 | JeffM2501 | just make him contact his ISP, we don't need to be doing base networking support here. |
| 20:56.48 | JeffM2501 | ts, there are a number of radar enhancements that could be nice |
| 20:56.54 | Manu | JeffM2501: is this the same guy was here yesterday? |
| 20:56.57 | JeffM2501 | yes it is |
| 20:57.03 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: now I'm all about radar enhancements |
| 20:57.04 | Manu | oh :/ |
| 20:57.11 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, what we have now is not radar |
| 20:57.13 | TheRedBaron | unless thats propaganda for round radar :) |
| 20:57.14 | JeffM2501 | it's a top view |
| 20:57.25 | JeffM2501 | 2.1 has a full screen top view |
| 20:57.32 | JeffM2501 | that should make you hella happy |
| 20:57.58 | ts | Enhanced radar has also overlappings, so it is not a pure top view |
| 20:58.42 | Manu | ts: is isn't enhanced because you can't see ST tanks ;) |
| 20:58.46 | Manu | it* |
| 20:58.51 | ts | Manu: I can :p |
| 20:59.02 | Manu | not at radar :p |
| 20:59.25 | Manu | except if you have SW |
| 20:59.26 | ts | Manu: Not by default but I can ;) |
| 20:59.28 | Manu | SE* |
| 20:59.39 | Manu | heh |
| 20:59.41 | JeffM2501 | ts, it shows objects behind others |
| 20:59.43 | TheRedBaron | ooh? |
| 20:59.45 | JeffM2501 | radar does not do that |
| 20:59.55 | TheRedBaron | full screen top view! |
| 20:59.58 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:00.02 | TheRedBaron | ~hug JeffM2501 |
| 21:00.03 | ibot | ACTION hugs JeffM2501 |
| 21:00.05 | JeffM2501 | third person camera |
| 21:00.08 | JeffM2501 | was done a while ago |
| 21:00.09 | TheRedBaron | ew |
| 21:00.19 | TheRedBaron | yea, I remember the 3rd person view |
| 21:00.20 | Manu | heh |
| 21:00.20 | JeffM2501 | you can adjust it to be a top view |
| 21:00.30 | TheRedBaron | makes the tank look like a fatass |
| 21:00.34 | ts | Manu: Seriously I think a lot of people have modded their radar, I don't like it |
| 21:00.37 | uso | but has it hight info then? ;) |
| 21:00.38 | JeffM2501 | cus that's what the tank looks like it :) |
| 21:00.49 | uso | *height |
| 21:00.56 | Manu | ts: yes, but they are easy to be hunted |
| 21:01.26 | ts | Manu: I am sure there are already dodge bots |
| 21:01.50 | Manu | dodge bots? it doesn't work with me :p |
| 21:01.55 | blast007 | there was a whole controversy when I added the 3rd person camera in my old BZFlag XL client |
| 21:02.02 | blast007 | added/enabled |
| 21:02.17 | blast007 | can't remember if I just triggered a build flag, or if I had to add it.. |
| 21:02.17 | JeffM2501 | blast007, cus you didn't spin it as "top down view" for the radar freaks ;) |
| 21:02.21 | ts | Manu: On viper you can spread and enemy can not evade but with 3 shots.. |
| 21:03.00 | blast007 | JeffM2501: they were all like "you can see ST sneaking up on you! it's not fair!" |
| 21:03.01 | Manu | ts: it depends how far the tank is |
| 21:03.12 | uso | is there a way to see where a bzfs process hangs? strace shows it hangs in a recv(8, .. |
| 21:03.29 | ts | Manu: 3 shots can be dodged almost always from 4 tank lenghts away |
| 21:03.37 | JeffM2501 | blast007, you can do that by turning around too :) |
| 21:03.47 | ts | Doesn't happen by hand but with code one can make it |
| 21:04.26 | TheRedBaron | ts: i seriously doubt there are dodge bots |
| 21:04.32 | Manu | usually bots dodge bad the ricochets |
| 21:04.38 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, they'd be simple to make |
| 21:04.41 | blast007 | JeffM2501: well, it was a cheap hack anyway ;) |
| 21:04.52 | blast007 | it didn't turn off the mouse box, so it looked odd |
| 21:04.56 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: yes, simple, but feasible? |
| 21:05.00 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 21:05.16 | TheRedBaron | anything that takes control away from the player is not really desireable IMHO |
| 21:05.16 | Manu | TheRedBaron: yes I guess there are a few out there |
| 21:05.28 | JeffM2501 | the distances and update checks will let you pass if your new pos is only off by say a tank width |
| 21:05.36 | JeffM2501 | that is well within the realm of lag |
| 21:05.36 | blast007 | TheRedBaron: so autopilot is not desirable? ;) |
| 21:05.43 | blast007 | "taking controls" |
| 21:05.50 | JeffM2501 | just boop you over to the left or right when your about to be hit |
| 21:05.57 | TheRedBaron | blast007: ever seen otto play? :D |
| 21:06.14 | JeffM2501 | or even warn the driver when he's gonna be hit |
| 21:06.14 | Manu | JeffM2501: don't give ideas to the cheaters ;) |
| 21:06.20 | JeffM2501 | they already have it Manu ;) |
| 21:06.28 | Manu | hehe |
| 21:06.45 | *** join/#bzflag kierra (n=kierra@fl-71-54-173-14.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) |
| 21:06.45 | JeffM2501 | it's a common cheat in the quake world |
| 21:06.53 | JeffM2501 | that's what punkbuster is meant to get |
| 21:07.03 | JeffM2501 | "unstatistical movements" |
| 21:07.22 | *** part/#bzflag kierra (n=kierra@fl-71-54-173-14.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) |
| 21:09.06 | ts | It is impossible to detect if one has a fast cursor setting and some jitter (>=5ms) then you can not know without statistics |
| 21:11.58 | *** join/#bzflag inchworm (n=msimmons@mustang.cs.nmsu.edu) |
| 21:12.03 | *** join/#bzflag BenUrban (n=benurban@unaffiliated/benurban) |
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| 21:17.03 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: have you ever considered adding something akin to punkbuster to bz? |
| 21:17.08 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 21:17.23 | TheRedBaron | the most notable option being their automatic screen shots |
| 21:17.25 | JeffM2501 | after we have a valid state to feed to punkbuster so it can do it's calcs |
| 21:17.35 | JeffM2501 | that's be simple to fake on a client |
| 21:17.48 | JeffM2501 | I'd only want to do the statisitcal trackin on the server |
| 21:17.59 | JeffM2501 | look for aimbots and the like |
| 21:18.04 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: how can ss be faked? |
| 21:18.15 | TheRedBaron | a realtime screenshot? |
| 21:18.23 | TheRedBaron | sure, the server owner has to sort through them |
| 21:18.24 | JeffM2501 | you can't ever trust code on the client |
| 21:18.38 | JeffM2501 | the client could just send you a preamade screenie |
| 21:18.40 | Chestal | I don't think that aimbots are feasible with bz's slow shots |
| 21:18.50 | JeffM2501 | Chestal, probalby not |
| 21:18.55 | JeffM2501 | dodgebots are the more likely |
| 21:19.19 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, it woudl be simple for a moded client to send back whatever "valid" screenshot the server would want |
| 21:19.31 | Chestal | dodgebots would be possible, but extremely hard to do in a way that actually helps a skilled player |
| 21:19.41 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: I fail to see how, but thats my techinical ignorance showing |
| 21:19.50 | TheRedBaron | its not like you could pre-fab some screenshots |
| 21:19.52 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, at some point the server has to say "send me a screenshot" |
| 21:19.56 | TheRedBaron | and you'd have to have several them |
| 21:20.00 | JeffM2501 | the client says "ok" |
| 21:20.06 | JeffM2501 | turns off it's cheats |
| 21:20.14 | JeffM2501 | setts the view how it "should" be |
| 21:20.17 | JeffM2501 | takes a shot |
| 21:20.18 | TheRedBaron | ah |
| 21:20.19 | JeffM2501 | sends it |
| 21:20.22 | JeffM2501 | then turns the stuff back on |
| 21:20.24 | JeffM2501 | for one frame |
| 21:20.26 | JeffM2501 | bam |
| 21:20.43 | JeffM2501 | you can't ever trust a client |
| 21:20.58 | JeffM2501 | unless you can verify all it's input to you |
| 21:21.37 | JeffM2501 | and the only input you can verify is the input that follows the rules of the game that the server knows |
| 21:34.18 | *** join/#bzflag Shooting (n=52a1ac31@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 21:34.21 | Shooting | hi |
| 21:34.33 | donny_baker | hello |
| 21:34.39 | ts | Chestal: Well, there was a bot changing tank speed when shooting, I would count that as aimbot |
| 21:34.43 | Shooting | how are you |
| 21:35.35 | TheRedBaron | some how, I doubt the sincerity of his inquiry, seeing as he didn't stick around to hear the response |
| 21:35.56 | donny_baker | :) , and I wasn't about to give him one |
| 21:36.16 | TheRedBaron | donny_baker: how are you? :) |
| 21:36.48 | donny_baker | to you i will respond, pretty good, think i broke my nose last night :) |
| 21:37.10 | JeffM2501 | doing what? |
| 21:37.14 | JeffM2501 | if you were editing the wiki |
| 21:37.18 | JeffM2501 | then I think your doing it wrong |
| 21:37.29 | donny_baker | got kicked in the face twice at Taekwondo |
| 21:37.37 | TheRedBaron | ah, there is the problem |
| 21:37.41 | TheRedBaron | should have been editing the wiki |
| 21:37.43 | JeffM2501 | have you tried the technique known as "get out of the way"? |
| 21:37.52 | donny_baker | yeah, I should have been editing the wiki |
| 21:38.01 | JeffM2501 | or "don't get in a situation to be kicked in the face in the first place" |
| 21:38.06 | uso | anyone who knows the network code of bzfs a bit: my server is hanging in read_udp_packets in ares_process in NetHandler::checkDNS |
| 21:38.10 | donny_baker | well it was supposed to be non-contact sparring :) |
| 21:38.23 | JeffM2501 | uso, that's not good |
| 21:38.25 | uso | any idea what the reason can be and how to work around it? |
| 21:38.37 | JeffM2501 | uso, what OS? |
| 21:38.42 | uso | i know it's not good, it's a match server ;) |
| 21:38.43 | TheRedBaron | uso: this is BZF right? |
| 21:38.49 | uso | linux |
| 21:39.02 | uso | TheRedBaron: yes :( |
| 21:39.07 | JeffM2501 | so your using an external libcurl, probably with it's own ares |
| 21:39.08 | TheRedBaron | oh... |
| 21:39.17 | JeffM2501 | I'd see if there was an upgrade to it |
| 21:39.22 | TheRedBaron | uso = mana |
| 21:39.34 | uso | no, the external libcurl has no c-ares afaik |
| 21:39.50 | uso | it's the buildin ares from bzflag |
| 21:39.55 | JeffM2501 | I'd get/build a curl wit ares |
| 21:40.03 | uso | TheRedBaron: right, i'm mana :) |
| 21:42.36 | uso | but shouldn't there be a timeout for such a read? it seems to hang til infinity in the recv() |
| 21:50.11 | uso | JeffM2501: this is not even in the libcurl, the ares_process function will be called directly from NetHandler::checkDNS |
| 21:50.17 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 21:50.18 | JeffM2501 | eww |
| 21:50.20 | JeffM2501 | that sucks |
| 21:52.21 | Erroneous | uso: your dns server is responding? |
| 21:52.22 | Erroneous | dns is expected to be a reliable service |
| 21:52.22 | uso | yes, at least i can make normal host xxx lookups |
| 21:52.22 | Erroneous | should be working then |
| 21:52.24 | JeffM2501 | you look at porn sites? |
| 21:52.44 | uso | heh, this is running at a datacenter .. |
| 21:52.54 | Erroneous | try with adig, make sure it can resolve |
| 21:52.56 | JeffM2501 | you run porn sites on your data center? |
| 21:52.57 | uso | those things i'nm doing at home if even .. ;) |
| 21:53.00 | donny_baker | best place, big pipe :) |
| 21:53.22 | uso | ya, but bigger than my eyes can process ;) |
| 21:54.35 | uso | Erroneous: you mean dig? i don't know adig |
| 21:54.40 | Erroneous | adig is ares' dig |
| 21:54.57 | Erroneous | should be able to build it from our c-ares folder, unless someone removed it |
| 21:55.08 | Erroneous | and in that case, you will need to find a copy of c-ares to build it from |
| 21:55.40 | Erroneous | if adig can't resolve, then it's ares' problem, not ours :) |
| 21:55.47 | uso | :) |
| 21:57.08 | uso | at least i have a new idea now, was running out of ideas where the freezes could come from .. |
| 22:24.41 | donny_baker | what does everyone think about a wiki announcement on the forums tomorrow? |
| 22:24.46 | brlcad | heh, "sure you for malpractice" .. surely you jest |
| 22:27.03 | Erroneous | donny_baker: probably should also put one on the old wiki |
| 22:27.11 | Erroneous | so people know to edit the new one not the old one |
| 22:27.30 | donny_baker | that would be a good idea, thanks |
| 22:28.35 | brlcad | an Erroneous assertion.. dns is expected to be a reliable service .. nice :) |
| 22:29.16 | Erroneous | hehe |
| 22:29.23 | brlcad | should also update the link on bzflag.org to point to new instead of old now |
| 22:29.46 | donny_baker | i can't do that... I don't think |
| 22:29.48 | donny_baker | who can |
| 22:32.40 | brlcad | donny_baker: you can, you just don't know you can ;) |
| 22:32.58 | brlcad | at least .. I think you can.. hrmmm |
| 22:33.02 | brlcad | maybe not |
| 22:33.12 | brlcad | or anyone for that matter |
| 22:33.23 | donny_baker | i figured I probably could, but i'm not poking around, as I was told :) |
| 22:33.29 | TheRedBaron | ~slap donny_baker |
| 22:33.31 | ibot | ACTION slaps donny_baker, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 22:33.35 | donny_baker | lol |
| 22:33.49 | brlcad | nobody can at the moment because sf.net login is down |
| 22:34.56 | donny_baker | that shouldn't be terrible though, I'll put something front and center on the old |
| 22:35.04 | brlcad | hmmmm.. now that I think about it, that also explains why the automated backups have been failing for over a week.. heh |
| 22:35.21 | donny_baker | if they get there, we can redirect them to the new wiki |
| 22:37.01 | brad | thought of using wiki.bzflag.org instead of my.bzflag.org/wiki ? might be easier for people to remember |
| 22:37.59 | donny_baker | yeah, we tried that... brlcad has the details |
| 22:38.10 | donny_baker | it didn't go so well |
| 22:38.43 | brad | oh :) |
| 22:38.54 | donny_baker | i think we all would preffer the wiki.bzflag.org |
| 22:40.07 | donny_baker | had problems getting the rewrite rules set up and working correctly with the mediawiki software |
| 22:40.28 | *** join/#bzflag view (n=view@c-69-249-178-98.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 22:40.31 | donny_baker | i guess it is tricky, even according to the mediawiki docs |
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| 22:48.38 | brlcad | it could certainly be done, at least something like wiki.bzflag.org/w/Topic |
| 22:49.08 | brlcad | if TimRiker sets up wiki.bzflag.org to point to m.b.o, I'll work on it |
| 22:49.16 | donny_baker | that would be great |
| 22:49.21 | Bz_Win | *spam* |
| 22:49.26 | donny_baker | TimRicker: ping |
| 22:49.36 | brlcad | heh, Ricker |
| 22:49.48 | donny_baker | TimRicker: unping |
| 22:49.54 | donny_baker | TimRiker: ping |
| 22:57.04 | blast007 | brlcad: was anything ever figured out about the mod_rewrite stuff? |
| 22:57.13 | blast007 | I haven't had time to play with it |
| 22:59.06 | blast007 | donny_baker: ah, just read what you said about that |
| 22:59.31 | blast007 | donny_baker: I set up a wiki on my own server, and the rewrite stuff worked |
| 22:59.43 | blast007 | so it's something about the .bz server that differs from my own |
| 22:59.54 | donny_baker | cool... maybe you could do consult :) |
| 23:00.27 | donny_baker | we are to lazy to mess with the rewrite stuff for our internal one here at work |
| 23:00.46 | brlcad | blast007: not with what you were doing, but as I mentioned before, I had it all working, but it was just too fugly (and I'd gotten it to work without a subdir in the url too) |
| 23:01.04 | brlcad | so we just reverted and kept it simple for starters |
| 23:01.10 | donny_baker | ah, i thought there were problems you were seeing |
| 23:01.34 | brlcad | there were some redirect problems, but several things were being tried |
| 23:02.04 | brlcad | it was all working flawlessly as http://wiki.bzflag.bz/w/Topic at one point, though |
| 23:02.20 | brlcad | shoulda left it at that probably |
| 23:02.36 | brlcad | but then I went down the forbidden fruit route |
| 23:03.03 | blast007 | ;) |
| 23:03.17 | blast007 | we can probably just go back to that way |
| 23:08.50 | donny_baker | i just PMed Tim about the wiki.bzflag.org, we'll see what he says |
| 23:13.20 | Tupone | brlcad: what does your commit means? Are you following what I'm doing? :) |
| 23:17.09 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, what did you find out about your cliping problem? |
| 23:17.16 | JeffM2501 | was it one of those buffers? |
| 23:17.23 | Tupone | I ahve not found anything :( |
| 23:17.37 | JeffM2501 | well I'm sure it'll turn up |
| 23:18.04 | Tupone | I will see that graphics when I'll use the CS engine |
| 23:18.24 | JeffM2501 | yeah since you gotta convert all that anyway :) |
| 23:18.29 | Tupone | yep |
| 23:18.38 | JeffM2501 | how do you like there API? |
| 23:19.03 | Tupone | I like very much, from what I see. It's a good wedding between CS and bzflag |
| 23:19.08 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 23:19.44 | Tupone | For now, I can play without looking at 3d. It is very hard, but I can |
| 23:20.02 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 23:20.46 | Tupone | bzflag is actually a 2D game. Looking at it in 2D is very enlighting :) |
| 23:21.05 | JeffM2501 | iit realy is a 2d one |
| 23:22.00 | TimRiker | I'd like to get wiki and phpbb signon integrated someday. This would use a cookie for authentication. we should move towards using one servername such that this has a chance of working. not towards using more names. |
| 23:22.56 | TimRiker | so putting the wiki on my.bo would be the next step, after it's over there, then we point b.o at my.b.o and everthing can just use http://BZFlag.org/ |
| 23:23.24 | brad | the wiki is on m.b.o |
| 23:24.16 | TimRiker | http://bzflag.org/wiki/Download is not on m.b.o |
| 23:24.43 | JeffM2501 | you mean change the links on the main b.o page to point to the mybo wiki, correct? |
| 23:24.46 | TimRiker | so when you say "the wiki" what do you mean? |
| 23:24.54 | JeffM2501 | there is a new wiki on my.b.o |
| 23:25.01 | JeffM2501 | we are ditching the monimoni |
| 23:25.08 | JeffM2501 | and changing to a mediawiki |
| 23:25.18 | TimRiker | so when you say "the wiki" you mean "another wiki" ? |
| 23:25.25 | JeffM2501 | the new wiki, yes |
| 23:25.44 | JeffM2501 | it's already on my.b.o and has ports of all the pages ( IIRC ) |
| 23:26.05 | JeffM2501 | noone can login to the monimoni, it is not intuitive |
| 23:26.21 | JeffM2501 | I do not know the internal features tho |
| 23:26.44 | JeffM2501 | a lot of work has been done on the media wiki, as people find it easier to edit it seems. |
| 23:27.46 | TimRiker | moinmoin has better subscription options, not that any of them work on SF, and has diffs of the pages in email when you subscribe. it's simpler to setup (imho) and easier to customize. but as I said, not a big deal... if someone is moving it, they can choose what they like. |
| 23:28.28 | TimRiker | well, out moinmoin is really old. newer versions have a full gui editor (like media) and a graphic editor (unlike media) |
| 23:28.39 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 23:28.47 | JeffM2501 | well I'd discuss with brlcad and donny_baker |
| 23:28.50 | TimRiker | s/out/our/ |
| 23:28.57 | JeffM2501 | the reason for the requested change is due to the media wiki |
| 23:29.06 | JeffM2501 | it's been in progress for a number of weeks |
| 23:30.06 | JeffM2501 | I do know they were looking into seeing what they could do to get the media wiki to use phpbb logins |
| 23:30.12 | TimRiker | the larger issue is getting single signon working. |
| 23:30.13 | JeffM2501 | tho that may be on hold till phpb3 comes out |
| 23:30.23 | JeffM2501 | as it will suport ldap, and maybe we can swap to that |
| 23:31.13 | TimRiker | either way, fine with me. just commenting that moving to different hostnames is moving away from single signon and hence a Bad Thing. |
| 23:31.24 | JeffM2501 | depends how the signon system works |
| 23:31.31 | JeffM2501 | for a cookie, yes difrent names could be bad |
| 23:31.40 | JeffM2501 | if it just works directly, I'm not so sure. |
| 23:31.47 | JeffM2501 | but I am not a web monkey :) |
| 23:31.51 | TimRiker | and without a cookie how do you avoid having to sign in again? |
| 23:31.57 | JeffM2501 | I don't know |
| 23:32.01 | TimRiker | :) |
| 23:32.03 | JeffM2501 | shared session IDs on the same server maybe |
| 23:32.09 | JeffM2501 | since it's all the same apache |
| 23:32.22 | Erroneous | only works as long as we have one server |
| 23:32.24 | JeffM2501 | I mean ebay does it over a ton of servers :) |
| 23:32.26 | TimRiker | session id's live ... wait for it... in ... that's it .. a cookie. |
| 23:32.28 | Erroneous | and I thought we wanted to avoid that |
| 23:32.30 | JeffM2501 | they must have something they do |
| 23:32.48 | JeffM2501 | IIRC there are also server side sessions, from my php readings |
| 23:32.54 | Erroneous | it should be possible to write cookies accessible by *.bzflag.org |
| 23:32.54 | JeffM2501 | but I may be confused |
| 23:33.18 | Erroneous | though certain blocking products may not like them |
| 23:33.43 | TimRiker | anywhere you go on www.ebay.com you can use the same cookie. now try www.ebay.co.uk and you'll find you need to sign on again. |
| 23:33.47 | JeffM2501 | require everyone to use the bzBrowser! :) |
| 23:34.12 | JeffM2501 | I know I've used the one login to go between varioys something.ebay.com servers |
| 23:34.21 | TimRiker | patches welcome. er... apps welcome? |
| 23:34.29 | JeffM2501 | usualy someting1.ebay.com, someting2.ebay.com |
| 23:34.33 | JeffM2501 | dunno how that works tho |
| 23:34.59 | TimRiker | images and other crap come from other servers, but the cookie should only be valid on www.ebay.com |
| 23:35.13 | JeffM2501 | no, real URL for forms |
| 23:35.14 | JeffM2501 | not images |
| 23:35.24 | Erroneous | TimRiker: my.bzflag.org, wiki.bzflag.org, and www.bzflag.org, are all bzflag.org hostnames |
| 23:35.25 | JeffM2501 | when I wrote software for it |
| 23:36.06 | TimRiker | hmm.... my.ebay.com does seem to reuse the login... didn't think most browsers supported domain cookies. |
| 23:36.37 | TimRiker | Erroneous: ok, that much is obvious. and your point? |
| 23:36.53 | JeffM2501 | my, www, cgi, etc... |
| 23:37.08 | Erroneous | TimRiker: makes it more like www.ebay.com, my.ebay.com, cgi.ebay.com, than www.ebay.com and www.ebay.co.uk |
| 23:38.21 | JeffM2501 | IIRC the idea was to be able to split them up if load got hot and heavy, right? |
| 23:38.44 | brlcad | yeah, I believe you could set it up to do a Set-Cookie: domain=.bzflag.org. and have it apply to all, iirc.. |
| 23:38.49 | TimRiker | sure enough. ebay is using domain based cookies. they must work ok now. back when I was writing an app where we tried that, IE would not handle it. |
| 23:39.05 | TimRiker | guess M$ got around to fixing that sometime ago. |
| 23:39.08 | JeffM2501 | I'd think that if ebay does it, it must be common |
| 23:39.31 | TimRiker | ok, I have no issue with setting up wiki.bzflag.org if desired. or bb.bzflag.org too if folks want. |
| 23:39.35 | brlcad | looking at my google cookies, they set .google.com |
| 23:40.05 | Erroneous | weren't the forums on bzbb.bzflag.org long ago? :) |
| 23:40.11 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 23:40.23 | JeffM2501 | IIRC they changed when we went to .bz |
| 23:40.33 | JeffM2501 | bzbb.bzflag.org shoudl still be a redirectior |
| 23:40.44 | JeffM2501 | as the boards are set to use my |
| 23:40.49 | Erroneous | it does, but it breaks cookies ;) |
| 23:40.49 | brlcad | just doesn't do the rewrite |
| 23:41.03 | JeffM2501 | so we just set it to a site cookie :) |
| 23:41.14 | TimRiker | sounds great to me. |
| 23:41.22 | brlcad | or set up a rewrite to it ends up calling m.b.o/bb |
| 23:41.26 | JeffM2501 | that will break allold cookies right? |
| 23:41.53 | TimRiker | shouldn't. it should accept the old host based cookie but issue a domain one. |
| 23:42.01 | JeffM2501 | true true |
| 23:45.39 | TimRiker | well, I'd still prefer http://bzflag.org/wiki/ or /bb/ or /league/ etc as it makes sharing images and the web server config easier, but not a big deal to me. |
| 23:49.39 | *** join/#bzflag bzplayer (n=48406359@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 23:49.41 | brlcad | that would be better in the long run, but that requires ditching our host or at least hooking up redirects |
| 23:50.12 | brlcad | host being sf.net for bzflag.org |
| 23:50.20 | blast007 | TimRiker: one reason that I like using subdomains is that it makes it easier to split web services into multiple servers later |
| 23:52.02 | brlcad | yeah, don't want porn.bzflag.org to slow down the bb |
| 23:53.25 | brlcad | good ol' tank on tank action |
| 23:54.56 | brad | hahaha |
| 23:55.36 | JeffM2501 | so we'd have a flag called "money shot"? |
| 23:56.37 | brlcad | hehehe |
| 23:57.45 | Bz_Win | *spam* |
| 23:58.52 | blast007 | Bz_Win: open the attachment to see a dancing hamster! |
| 23:59.11 | brlcad | hmm.. that reminds me of one of my favorite bzflag deaths of all time... SGI (the player) and I were on different teams and I had the flag as was long gone with it. He fires this hail mary that goes across the map that, in all my swerving and zigzagging down the map found my on what had to be milliseconds before the bullet expire. |
